The difference is that in Race the phases are always done in the same order so you can risk power combo turns if you can guess what your opponent will pick. With this style of action selection, that works like Puerto Rico, your plans can more easily be disrupted if the phases don't happen in the order that you want. It is why they usually have to add incentives to actions that are passed over more often in order to balance it out and make sure the game doesn't degenerate into everyone drawing the whole deck.
Another bonus for NF consideration: no need to buy and maintain hundreds of card sleeves that you would want for RFTG, along with the hassle of dealing with a tall slippery stack of sleeved cards. Nice to avoid that hidden cost of card games when board games manage to use only cardboard tiles ♥️.
As a big RFTG fan. This is an interesting moment, on one hand, I do love how they recycled the art and main concepts of RFTG, and turned them into a board game because I love that game. But on the other hand, they are just so similar... which makes me don't want to try... I really love the components, the round plant, the cube like product, all make sense for RFTG theme, but...man, it is just really like RFTG the BG, which makes me wonder if I really want to have it in my collection... But I do want to play it if the others have it...
Albert Gao I have both. New Frontiers is so good. It truly is a different beast with the role selection and the use of settler Meeples as a completely different resource.
Thanks for the video, I didnt know about it, now I want to get and play it :). Who knows, we might even do rules video for it. Love Roll for the Galaxy and Puerto Rico. So looks like this game is for us :)
So, instead of having to spend valuable cards you now have neutral credits. This makes strategy easier and less tense, but maybe also less exciting. Card game was more elegant with multi use cards. Also as someone mentioned, here phases don't appear in order, so it is harder to anticipate some phase at some point to combo.
Agreed. Right now it looks like a decent implementation of Race into a slightly different form, but not all that much has changed. It's a great base to build an expansion upon to take advantage of things they can only achieve with a boardgame and move it out of Race's shadow. Looking at Roll's latest expansion and the designer diaries, I get the feeling that's Lehman's aim with this game. Similar starting point, but different destination.
I would prefer to see a bit more discussion regarding player count scaling in the Dice Tower reviews as I almost exclusively play two player. That aside, great review as always.
The huge differences I see: 1) No consume x2 action. Consume in NF = Consume/Trade in Race. 2) All of the developments are available from the start. Explore gets you only worlds. 3) Money and colonists are completely independent resources. Getting access to more worlds does not help you in either. 4) You essentially play with your hand open. So the strategy in this is completely different from Race. Also, I think that this game is lighter.
Looks too much like RftG... Have not played this, but I get the sense that this gives much of the same vibes that the card game gives. And while it is not bad, it is kind of the same thing in a slower package... And that is never a better thing when it comes to board games. If they find out a way to push the envelope with expansions beyond the card game it could be worth getting and it would seem to have a bit less of the random card draw issues the bade game had so it could have its moments. The thing is that we have played the card game to death and still like to pull it out from time to time, so something more different would be in our sights more than this. Have not played this one, but am very familiar with Race and Roll and Puerto Rico...
This seems interesting to me but I’m not sure if I need it when I already have Race & Roll. This seems a little more strategic maybe? So that’s a plus I guess.
Not really a fan of Puerto Rico it's okay. I prefer San Juan which I haven't played in a long time. But I enjoy GOSU more than both and started playing that one again after I bought GOSU Kamakor expansion for $3 and free shipping from tanga.com
I think it depends on what you lime about Roll, and what you don't like about the others. I don't really have any reference for any of the "For the Galas" series, but my impression is if you don't like the things getting mashed together, it is safe to assume you probably won't he all that interested in this.
I played Puerto Rico once and hated it, it was slow and annoying and me wife and me were both close to tearing each others hair out. On the other hand we both love Roll for the Galaxy and New Frontiers
But if I use cubes for resources instead of cards, how will I drive people crazy by having that 6-pt dev you need or Galactic Trendsetters on there as my good before trading it away for more cards? ;-)
Graham Charlton There are similarities between New Frontiers and Empires of the Void, actually. Both space themed, both use an action selection mechanism that the other player then follows, both have you gaining influence over planets.
I love this mechanism (action selection + bonus). San Juan is perhaps the simpler game that uses it. Is there a heavier modern good game (not Puerto Rico) that uses it but is not a symbology nightmare? This sea of colored geometric objects (circles, hexagons, rhombuses, etc) can’t be the best way to design a game.
I cannot believe they recycled art for a third time. Lazy as hell. Particularly the reuse of the bland background/border art. Zzzzz. Missed opportunity. The box cover art says it all.
Meh. I still prefer Roll for The galaxy. Iconography isn't as daunting as Race and this looks like race......uhm…..the board game. lol. My issue with race was the iconography this looks no different. Roll for the galaxy was better in this case. In the end I think I will stay with Roll and am looking for Puerto Rico.
It’s starting to wear on me that the designer keeps recycling the same old art for every iteration of this game. Especially for the price of some of the expansions or base games he has done in the past I expect new art.
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The difference is that in Race the phases are always done in the same order so you can risk power combo turns if you can guess what your opponent will pick. With this style of action selection, that works like Puerto Rico, your plans can more easily be disrupted if the phases don't happen in the order that you want. It is why they usually have to add incentives to actions that are passed over more often in order to balance it out and make sure the game doesn't degenerate into everyone drawing the whole deck.
Another bonus for NF consideration: no need to buy and maintain hundreds of card sleeves that you would want for RFTG, along with the hassle of dealing with a tall slippery stack of sleeved cards. Nice to avoid that hidden cost of card games when board games manage to use only cardboard tiles ♥️.
The box cover is so meta :P A bunch of space people look at a hologram of a world tile from thw game... Wait what?
The Ambition expansion for Roll for the Galaxy did the same thing.
So glad you like it Tom, usually means that I’ll like it.
Roll is top 20 for me and I like Race a lot too.
Should have this puppy by Thursday.
All that's missing now is a San Juan / Puerto Rico dice game.
And a Glory to Rome card game that's in print.
A San Juan in print is also missing.
As a big RFTG fan. This is an interesting moment, on one hand, I do love how they recycled the art and main concepts of RFTG, and turned them into a board game because I love that game. But on the other hand, they are just so similar... which makes me don't want to try... I really love the components, the round plant, the cube like product, all make sense for RFTG theme, but...man, it is just really like RFTG the BG, which makes me wonder if I really want to have it in my collection... But I do want to play it if the others have it...
Albert Gao I have both. New Frontiers is so good. It truly is a different beast with the role selection and the use of settler Meeples as a completely different resource.
"Put the starting planet in the hole" Someone at the publisher is getting fired right now.
Only if that planet was Uranus!
Thanks for the video, I didnt know about it, now I want to get and play it :). Who knows, we might even do rules video for it. Love Roll for the Galaxy and Puerto Rico. So looks like this game is for us :)
So, instead of having to spend valuable cards you now have neutral credits. This makes strategy easier and less tense, but maybe also less exciting. Card game was more elegant with multi use cards. Also as someone mentioned, here phases don't appear in order, so it is harder to anticipate some phase at some point to combo.
I'm looking forward for the expansions of this...
Agreed. Right now it looks like a decent implementation of Race into a slightly different form, but not all that much has changed. It's a great base to build an expansion upon to take advantage of things they can only achieve with a boardgame and move it out of Race's shadow.
Looking at Roll's latest expansion and the designer diaries, I get the feeling that's Lehman's aim with this game. Similar starting point, but different destination.
Even though I cringe every time at the component drop, to see a Dice Tower video without it seems....lacking....
Glad to read I'm not the only one that cringes. I actually refrained from watching the reviews because of it for a while :')
I would prefer to see a bit more discussion regarding player count scaling in the Dice Tower reviews as I almost exclusively play two player. That aside, great review as always.
It seems just like RftG the Board Game. Not bad, but I really don’t see how it is “different”. Mind you, I love RftG, so it’s not a bad thing.
The huge differences I see:
1) No consume x2 action. Consume in NF = Consume/Trade in Race.
2) All of the developments are available from the start. Explore gets you only worlds.
3) Money and colonists are completely independent resources. Getting access to more worlds does not help you in either.
4) You essentially play with your hand open.
So the strategy in this is completely different from Race. Also, I think that this game is lighter.
Looks too much like RftG... Have not played this, but I get the sense that this gives much of the same vibes that the card game gives. And while it is not bad, it is kind of the same thing in a slower package... And that is never a better thing when it comes to board games. If they find out a way to push the envelope with expansions beyond the card game it could be worth getting and it would seem to have a bit less of the random card draw issues the bade game had so it could have its moments. The thing is that we have played the card game to death and still like to pull it out from time to time, so something more different would be in our sights more than this.
Have not played this one, but am very familiar with Race and Roll and Puerto Rico...
This seems interesting to me but I’m not sure if I need it when I already have Race & Roll. This seems a little more strategic maybe? So that’s a plus I guess.
Tom I'm not a fan of RFTG or Puerto Rico but love Roll For The Galaxy. So would you recommend this game for me?
Honest Word are you a fan of Puerto Rico?
Not really a fan of Puerto Rico it's okay. I prefer San Juan which I haven't played in a long time. But I enjoy GOSU more than both and started playing that one again after I bought GOSU Kamakor expansion for $3 and free shipping from tanga.com
I think it depends on what you lime about Roll, and what you don't like about the others. I don't really have any reference for any of the "For the Galas" series, but my impression is if you don't like the things getting mashed together, it is safe to assume you probably won't he all that interested in this.
I played Puerto Rico once and hated it, it was slow and annoying and me wife and me were both close to tearing each others hair out. On the other hand we both love Roll for the Galaxy and New Frontiers
This reminded me so much of Eminent Domain with a board. I love EmDo, but I'm not sure I'd play this one.
Looks like they've changed cards to tokens, and this is the main difference.
Need those Ressource cubes for race the clearly superior game :)
But if I use cubes for resources instead of cards, how will I drive people crazy by having that 6-pt dev you need or Galactic Trendsetters on there as my good before trading it away for more cards? ;-)
How does this compare to Empires of the Void?
It is in no way at all anything similar to Empires of the Void
Graham Charlton There are similarities between New Frontiers and Empires of the Void, actually. Both space themed, both use an action selection mechanism that the other player then follows, both have you gaining influence over planets.
How has RftG never been star wars or star trek reskinned?!
Because neither setting glamorizes the production of trade goods.
Puerto Rico... in Space!!!
1a. Roll for the Galaxy, 1b. New Frontiers, 3. Race for the Galaxy. I much prefer NF and Roll better than race.
Please tell me this comes with player aids????
I love this mechanism (action selection + bonus). San Juan is perhaps the simpler game that uses it. Is there a heavier modern good game (not Puerto Rico) that uses it but is not a symbology nightmare? This sea of colored geometric objects (circles, hexagons, rhombuses, etc) can’t be the best way to design a game.
TheMrE Rising sun?
If you don't mind going in really deep, Twilight Imperium uses that mechanism (among others).
Why don't you talk about Jump Drive?
I like Jump Drive a lot, but other than theme, it's really not the same as this one.
I cannot believe they recycled art for a third time. Lazy as hell. Particularly the reuse of the bland background/border art. Zzzzz. Missed opportunity. The box cover art says it all.
When you start seeing points instead of the theme, it kills the game for me.
oh you must be new to board games. its a common feature in euro games mostly.
Alien Frontiers on a galactic scale?
I don't think so. This doesn't have dice rolling and dice placement to be compared to Alien Frontiers.
@@Shad0wSix Between New Frontiers and Beta Colony which one looks easier to play?
That cover is so bad. What is that woman doing?
It's amazing. I love the quirky Race for the Galaxy art.
@@jonathandodd7682 Haha, well, hey, to each his own!
clearly she saw a male alien drop its pants.
Meh. I still prefer Roll for The galaxy. Iconography isn't as daunting as Race and this looks like race......uhm…..the board game. lol. My issue with race was the iconography this looks no different. Roll for the galaxy was better in this case.
In the end I think I will stay with Roll and am looking for Puerto Rico.
It’s starting to wear on me that the designer keeps recycling the same old art for every iteration of this game. Especially for the price of some of the expansions or base games he has done in the past I expect new art.
Great game. Nice components. Absolutely atrocious box art.
thx Tom, having both Race and Roll, as well as Puerto Rico, i’m not going to buy this one.