I agree. They could make the oil filters here and still make a healthy profit. These big companies get pay raises all the time via a tax cut but that ain’t good enough for them. The big companies are loyal to the bottom line and the share holders and they have zero loyalty.
Heads up fellas, my last batch of Liberfiner P967 filters came from Brazil. Less pleats, and thinner filter media. Never had an issue with our Champ filters and they are cheaper than many alternatives on the market. If you can get the ones made in USA you can't go wrong for a budget filter.
Hencho en Mexico Bosch Premium, FTW. Looks surprisingly good with a Wix base end bypass. The Luberfiner is the old polyester cap with combo valve ecore. No thanks. BP date code could also be 275th day 2022(Julian), Oct 2. Too bad though that M&H has moved production from US to Mexico. Thanks for vid.
I’m certain both of these filters would work great. The Luber filter looks like the Walmart brands and the ACDelco. I’d bet the Luber has a higher flow rate.
I would sometimes buy Bosch oil filters some 20 or 30 years ago. They seem to be high quality filters. I would definitely consider Bosch. But I never see them where I shop for automotive supplies -- which is typically Walmart or O'Reilly.
Thanks for another great video! When did Luber Finer switch over to the felt end caps....I guess we know why they're so cheap compared to many of the others! I have a few of them in my collection' I'll still use them but only for a short OCI.
I depends on the specific filter, some applications use metal end caps with a seperate bypass some use the combo valve, I guess when you're paying under $2 a filter beggers can't be choosers.
Both are great filters for "Consumer " use. I use Baldwin B329 because Baldwin is also used in industrial applications. Industrial vs Consumer ... big difference...
I really like the upper bypass filter on the Bosch but what the hell is going on with their quality control? First you have one with knackered louvres and now you have one with crap all over the inside of the can. I'm not sure I like either one. The filter media on the Bosch might be thinner but the media itself might be more dense. I think I'll stick with my Purolators. Great Job Pete, you really are showing us these brands.
i do not see where that stuff ALL OVER the inside of can wood hurt anything... wutever they use in production of filters is NOT going 2 effect anything... consider a DROP of ' wutever ' in 5 quarts or more of engine oil... 🤔
Thank you for the education. The luber will work great if your using for chande intervals of 5k. If your going to usexthe luber no need for synthetic oil. Thanks for all that you do
I think if you actually maintain your car both would be fine. Knowing what’s inside, I personally wouldn’t want to run the Luber Liner. Honestly though if I don’t run an OEM filter I run the Purolator Boss or the STP XL filters
Let's not forget the Luberfiner likely costs 1/4 of the Bosch and is Made In USA. If they were the same price I'd agree. If you run a big shop like I work at Champ/Luberfiner is a great value.
I've used Champ and Luber-Finer filters for years on many vehicles and have never had a filter related issue. I've also used Bosch filters on our German cars with no issues too. To me it's a toss up as long as you follow manufacturer OCI recommendations either filter should be fine. Thanks for another great video. Keep 'em coming.
I try and go for MANN filters for Euro car since they are the OE manufacturer oftentimes. We've had no problems with the Champ/Luberfiner filters over the years. My last batch of Liberfiners was from Brazil unlike the usual made in USA champ filters. The Brazilian filter had far less pleats and the filter media was so thin that light could shine into the cartridge. Shoot for made in USA!
@@DkpProductions - The cartridge ones I have now are: Luberfiner P1081 for the BMWs are made in China Champ P980 for the Toyotas are made in USA Both look to be very well constructed and have given good service.
Unless the Luber Finer is much cheaper somehow, Its an E core Super Tech basic filter, and some of their MP's is a better Super Tech! But that Bosch is far Superior in all other areas like the better top antidrain back valve, but only slightly less in filter media length! Depends how long you are going too keep the car, The Bosch if Im going for longevity on the car!
I will take the Bosch the media looks better under microscope, silicone better than nitrile anti drain back, real bypass valve vs combination valve, I also like then idea of anti corrosive added to the inside of the steel canister. Bosch by TKO
Whip City Wrencher Fram Titanium oil filter doesn't have the wire backing anymore. It has the same updated fram ultra has. I personally don't like it. So I bought puralator boss oil filter
I've heard about the change also. If they are changing the Fram Titanium to basically a Fram Ultra then why pay the premium price for them at AAP. The Boss is a Nice filter. I'm liking the New Fram Endurance filter also. I have to open up a few more though.
@Whip City Wrencher yeah makes sense. Yes I saw your video on the fram endurance oil filter. I bought one myself and I like it too. For the price it's awesome!!
@@WhipCityWrencher I wouldn't think so. Way Before dry packs, Japanese bikes were sprayed all over and dealers just washed it off. I don't know if they still use for bare metal anymore since I've seen some containers with pretty good sized absorbant packs.
@@WhipCityWrencher Even a glop of bearing grease or some oily release agent wouldn't be a big deal since it would be filtered and grease would maybe slowly dissolve with the heat into the oil. Clean it with some gas and see what is left, like rust or anything.
I would be more concerned about that substance in the Bosch. Luber is going through some changes with champion taking over fram. I know some of the heavy duty side of fram is coming from luber. I couldn't get much information out of the champ labs guys as to what they were crossing to Luber from the fram side.
In this case, the components of the Bosch are better than the Luber Finer. The Bosch looks like it's using components from the Wix parts bin - at least what Wix used to use as they seem to have moved on from the upper bypass valve part. The quality control on the Bosch is lacking though - what is that gunk in there?
What would be the negative impact of having the felt endcap? I don't personally see this as a negative. I would actually predict the bond from the filter media to the felt as being more solid than the bond of the filter media to the metal
@@WhipCityWrencher that is a manufacturer defect - IF they actually glued it - probably would have been a strong seal. I don't blame the felt in that case - I blame the absence of any glue.
@@chirodocheilman Try taking one apart some time and you'll see that the glue doesn't stick that well to the synthetic endcaps as well as the metal endcaps in most applications. I have noticed that they came out with a better cream colored glue that is harder to the touch and sticks to what it was intended to.
Surprised to see the amount of media both filters had specially the luber ! Bosch for the win ! one thing i noticed the box for the bosch shows a silicon base gasget but its really nitrile rubber which is misleading lol !
Great job Whip, that is a pretty small filter for such a large engine. I would consider an oil bypass kit if I had the 7.3 engine. The bosh is a decent choice, but I prefer a metal crimped seam and a coil spring. I wouldn't consider using the lube finer due to the felt end caps, glued seam and overall cheap construction. I would consider using a napa gold or platinum or Baldwin oil filter for this application.
The Luber finer looks real cheap cheap cheap 🐦 it's basically a white basic SuperTech filter .....with the felt endcaps, I'll stick with the Bosch over that roll of toilet paper 🧻 media in the Luber
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I wouldn't know, does it cross over to any automotive filters?
I'll pin your question so that it sits on top.
And the winner is?? BOSCH!!
Until you get one with the defective louvers inside,but yeah the Bosch is way better
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The felt end caps would do it for me. Definitely go with the bosch oil filter. Great comparison whip!
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overall the Bosch looks better, with better media and construction but I choose the Luber Finer because it is made in the USA.
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I agree. They could make the oil filters here and still make a healthy profit. These big companies get pay raises all the time via a tax cut but that ain’t good enough for them. The big companies are loyal to the bottom line and the share holders and they have zero loyalty.
Heads up fellas, my last batch of Liberfiner P967 filters came from Brazil. Less pleats, and thinner filter media. Never had an issue with our Champ filters and they are cheaper than many alternatives on the market. If you can get the ones made in USA you can't go wrong for a budget filter.
So nice of David to send it to You! Great comparison as always! Have a Great Weekend! 👍
Yes, it was.
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Hencho en Mexico Bosch Premium, FTW. Looks surprisingly good with a Wix base end bypass. The Luberfiner is the old polyester cap with combo valve ecore. No thanks. BP date code could also be 275th day 2022(Julian), Oct 2. Too bad though that M&H has moved production from US to Mexico. Thanks for vid.
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I’m certain both of these filters would work great. The Luber filter looks like the Walmart brands and the ACDelco. I’d bet the Luber has a higher flow rate.
I would sometimes buy Bosch oil filters some 20 or 30 years ago. They seem to be high quality filters. I would definitely consider Bosch. But I never see them where I shop for automotive supplies -- which is typically Walmart or O'Reilly.
Very good comparison Pete. Bosch seems to be the better of the two. Great job! Merri :)
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Another awesome video! I have used Bosch filters in the past with no concern.
Have a nice weekend!
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Thanks for another great video! When did Luber Finer switch over to the felt end caps....I guess we know why they're so cheap compared to many of the others! I have a few of them in my collection' I'll still use them but only for a short OCI.
I depends on the specific filter, some applications use metal end caps with a seperate bypass some use the combo valve, I guess when you're paying under $2 a filter beggers can't be choosers.
@@brandonupchurch7628 You're right I believe Whip has done a vid or two in the past with a Luber Finer and they had metal end caps.
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Both are great filters for "Consumer " use. I use Baldwin B329 because Baldwin is also used in industrial applications.
Industrial vs Consumer ... big difference...
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I really like the upper bypass filter on the Bosch but what the hell is going on with their quality control? First you have one with knackered louvres and now you have one with crap all over the inside of the can. I'm not sure I like either one. The filter media on the Bosch might be thinner but the media itself might be more dense. I think I'll stick with my Purolators. Great Job Pete, you really are showing us these brands.
Thanks, Jim👍👍
i do not see where that stuff ALL OVER the inside of can wood hurt anything... wutever they use in production of filters is NOT going 2 effect anything... consider a DROP of ' wutever ' in 5 quarts or more of engine oil... 🤔
Thank you for the education.
The luber will work great if your using for chande intervals of 5k. If your going to usexthe luber no need for synthetic oil.
Thanks for all that you do
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I think if you actually maintain your car both would be fine. Knowing what’s inside, I personally wouldn’t want to run the Luber Liner. Honestly though if I don’t run an OEM filter I run the Purolator Boss or the STP XL filters
Good show. Bosch much better filter hands down.
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Let's not forget the Luberfiner likely costs 1/4 of the Bosch and is Made In USA. If they were the same price I'd agree. If you run a big shop like I work at Champ/Luberfiner is a great value.
The Bosch is quite a bit better than the Luber. Bosch is the choice for me.
I've used Champ and Luber-Finer filters for years on many vehicles and have never had a filter related issue. I've also used Bosch filters on our German cars with no issues too. To me it's a toss up as long as you follow manufacturer OCI recommendations either filter should be fine. Thanks for another great video. Keep 'em coming.
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I try and go for MANN filters for Euro car since they are the OE manufacturer oftentimes. We've had no problems with the Champ/Luberfiner filters over the years. My last batch of Liberfiners was from Brazil unlike the usual made in USA champ filters. The Brazilian filter had far less pleats and the filter media was so thin that light could shine into the cartridge. Shoot for made in USA!
@@DkpProductions - The cartridge ones I have now are:
Luberfiner P1081 for the BMWs are made in China
Champ P980 for the Toyotas are made in USA
Both look to be very well constructed and have given good service.
I have always liked Bosch filters. They really are a good quality for the price. At least it is made in North America
Unless the Luber Finer is much cheaper somehow, Its an E core Super Tech basic filter, and some of their MP's is a better Super Tech! But that Bosch is far Superior in all other areas like the better top antidrain back valve, but only slightly less in filter media length! Depends how long you are going too keep the car, The Bosch if Im going for longevity on the car!
I will take the Bosch the media looks better under microscope, silicone better than nitrile anti drain back, real bypass valve vs combination valve, I also like then idea of anti corrosive added to the inside of the steel canister. Bosch by TKO
"Bosch by TKO." lol. Yep
Whip City Wrencher Fram Titanium oil filter doesn't have the wire backing anymore. It has the same updated fram ultra has. I personally don't like it. So I bought puralator boss oil filter
I've heard about the change also. If they are changing the Fram Titanium to basically a Fram Ultra then why pay the premium price for them at AAP. The Boss is a Nice filter. I'm liking the New Fram Endurance filter also. I have to open up a few more though.
@Whip City Wrencher yeah makes sense. Yes I saw your video on the fram endurance oil filter. I bought one myself and I like it too. For the price it's awesome!!
6:30 Looks like cosmoline. They spray it on metal and motorcycles etc shipped overseas. Oily type substance.
I agree. Seems like some kind of anti-rust light weight oil. Fram uses 'something' similar on their dome bypass pieces. Good call.
Thanks, GT, but does that stuff stain?
@@WhipCityWrencher I wouldn't think so. Way Before dry packs, Japanese bikes were sprayed all over and dealers just washed it off.
I don't know if they still use for bare metal anymore since I've seen some containers with pretty good sized absorbant packs.
@@GT-mn3bx Thanks GT,
The stains are probably no big deal, but a separate issue.
@@WhipCityWrencher Even a glop of bearing grease or some oily release agent wouldn't be a big deal since it would be filtered and grease would maybe slowly dissolve with the heat into the oil.
Clean it with some gas and see what is left, like rust or anything.
Bosch for the win! It's no contest. Felt end caps are a deal breaker for me.
Yeah polyester/felt aren't the greatest, but the nitrile combo bypass/adb valve the major low point, imo.
Love the video. Great info and great content
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I'd like a comparison to the Motorcraft 820-S - I actually think the Bosch looks superior to the OE Motorcraft 820-S
I would be more concerned about that substance in the Bosch. Luber is going through some changes with champion taking over fram. I know some of the heavy duty side of fram is coming from luber. I couldn't get much information out of the champ labs guys as to what they were crossing to Luber from the fram side.
Looks like cosmoline. Typical anti rust spray you see on stuff like motorcycles shipped overseas. If so, wouldn't hurt anything.
Hi AJ,
Looked like an oil or grease, I couldn't figure out the small stains though.❓
In this case, the components of the Bosch are better than the Luber Finer. The Bosch looks like it's using components from the Wix parts bin - at least what Wix used to use as they seem to have moved on from the upper bypass valve part. The quality control on the Bosch is lacking though - what is that gunk in there?
Looks like cosmoline. They same stuff they used to coat Japanese motorcycles with when shipped.
Imagine similar to a coating of WD 40 .
Thanks, Jeff👍
What would be the negative impact of having the felt endcap? I don't personally see this as a negative. I would actually predict the bond from the filter media to the felt as being more solid than the bond of the filter media to the metal
Not always the case, check out this video I made 2 years ago. th-cam.com/video/C2a_b3FNEqo/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
@@WhipCityWrencher that is a manufacturer defect - IF they actually glued it - probably would have been a strong seal. I don't blame the felt in that case - I blame the absence of any glue.
@@chirodocheilman Try taking one apart some time and you'll see that the glue doesn't stick that well to the synthetic endcaps as well as the metal endcaps in most applications. I have noticed that they came out with a better cream colored glue that is harder to the touch and sticks to what it was intended to.
Surprised to see the amount of media both filters had specially the luber ! Bosch for the win ! one thing i noticed the box for the bosch shows a silicon base gasget but its really nitrile rubber which is misleading lol !
Hi Scotty,
I'm not 100% sure whether it's nitrile rubber or not, but if it was made of silicone I'm sure they would let us know.
I enjoy changing my own oil/filter on my vehicles, I have no trust or faith in lube shops, the Dealer if I am desperate. I enjoy these videos. Thanks.
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Never saw that brand before. At first I thought it was German or something because of the name.
ford truck needs base end anti drain back valve
Not sure but I’d bet the oil filter faces up. The oil would never flow out after the engine is shut off.
What is the mileage rating on the Bosch?
I don't think they have one.
Are there any oil filters out there with a micron rating better than 20?
Most of the ones rated for 20 micron will catch smaller microns also, but at what percentage ?
I'm not a fan of any filter with a louvered core.
luberfiner are not good, when i installed them into my car the engine starts knocking.
Great job Whip, that is a pretty small filter for such a large engine. I would consider an oil bypass kit if I had the 7.3 engine. The bosh is a decent choice, but I prefer a metal crimped seam and a coil spring. I wouldn't consider using the lube finer due to the felt end caps, glued seam and overall cheap construction. I would consider using a napa gold or platinum or Baldwin oil filter for this application.
Thanks, Cody👍
BOSCH PREMIUM
Much better quality all around... Silicone ADBV, metal end caps, synthetic blend filter media, excellent micron rating, better microscope 🔬 imaging.
BOSCH is the better filter here.
Nice review 👍
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needs....metal....endcaps...😳
The Luber finer looks real cheap cheap cheap 🐦 it's basically a white basic SuperTech filter .....with the felt endcaps, I'll stick with the Bosch over that roll of toilet paper 🧻 media in the Luber