How does the 612HP Ferrari Roma Stack Up? - Two Takes
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The Ferrari Roma isn't all new, as it does share a basic architecture with the Portofino, but it's new enough that as a driver, it feels like a totally new product. It's got the twin-turbo V8 mounted up front, but behind the front axle, for proper mid-engined handling. The fact that it's got long-tubes for the exhaust gives it a bass note you don't get with the F8 Trubito - most welcome. And it's got a very comfortable and all-new interior that we kinda love, and kinda hate. Ultimately, it's a very strong contender in the high-end daily driver category occupied by the Bentley Continental and Mercedes-AMG GT ranges.
Ferrari of North America provided the vehicle, insurance, and a tank of fuel for this review.
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This is the definitely best “co-review” yet. The great conversation and bouncing off each other from the podcast is finally coming through to the videos
The ratio from 2nd to 3rd is a huge difference Zack spotting out faxs
I feel like this should have been a Maserati product. The successor to the GranTurismo. But obviously selling it as a Ferrari means they can sell it for a premium.
Visited the Maserati dealership in 2019, they told me the GT successor was going to be a hybrid... would much rather see the Roma in a body kit lol
I got to drive a 17 Gran Turismo the other day. Got to haul it about 400 miles. Lol
Even the front-end design looks much more like a Maserati GT than any kind of 2+2 front-engined Ferrari
Yeah, but most rich people I know aren't stupid. This car isn't worth $250K. This is probably one of those cars Ferrari dealerships make you buy before they will sell you an F8 Tributo or 812 Superfast.
What’s the point lol if it was a Maserati it would collapse to 20k$ in 1 year lol
I’ll talk smack about this car all day and yet I still want it.
You put my feeling into words
I no understand you....
Those interior electronics are going to age like milk in the sun.
Indeed. I hate all the tech focus in cars. Every screen and sensor will ruin the cars for the future. Today's cars will cost a fortune to maintain in 20 years
They're already sour. Hard to believe most modern Ferrari owners don't still prefer real gauges and controls.
@Sir Feynman snowflake ❄️
Well said, that’s why I prefer portofino m - far more timeless
For real….
personal take, it seems like Ferrari was doing the digital interior for the sake of...making it modern and digital? It's like they're trying to make a statement "yeah we can do high tech interior stuffs as well." Sure it looks cool but if you have watched Harry's Garage review on the infotainment, it's a hot mess. Things were slow to respond and a lot of it seemed super gimmicky. I cant imagine how these will hold up in 3 years.
This is the trend in general. It is horrible. We have EV's to thank for this as that is where we are going and everything is going to be electric controlled through a touch interface. I hate it. Long-term this will depreciate and date any interior.
IMO, the biggest problem is that they use slow CPU/GPUs on the systems, its a +200k car ffs, put some nice processors in it!
I wish they pulled a Porsche and kept the analog tach in the middle
They won’t hold up. As we all know these tech gimmicks are installed for the car companies to sell cars to non-car people. There is no support for their own tech, meaning they won’t update it over time. Those companies that do update their tech for you will also charge you a hefty premium. I’d rather an analog everything car with a nice screen. Buttons over digital touch 7 out of 7 days out of the week.
Great car to rent on vacation, plug in a song and touch nothing else
I really like how you're able to get your opinions + thoughts across, while being incredibly polite and respectful.
Youre both just pretty damn good people to each other. Makes watching your content even more enjoyable.
Really feel like someone could talk about anything with you and have a good conversation. You could likely have a channel focused on anything you have a passion for. Glad you picked cars for now.
All this "It should have been a Maserati" or "looks like an aston" is just gibberish. Look back at Ferrari's history, please. Its a beatiful car
"What is understood, needn't be explained"
The Roma just hits the spot for me. The order is in. I love it. I have a 3 year old and I'll be doing 6000 miles a year in it.
Question. Did you even test fit the child seat? Those seats are ridiculous.
Get a used Lusso. V12 and proper room and safety back there.
Any feedback after ...
@@AB-80XThis car easily fits a car seat. In fact due to the wheel position, and unibody structure, the rear seats are directly adjacent to the wheels instead of behind it.
Means this car is safer than the Lusso in the rear/side. The Lusso has a flatter rear end, whereas the Roma has an angled rear end, that protrudes further from the rear seats/wheels. It's also safer in the front with a smaller engine. Bigger engine doesn't mean SAFER. It's the exact opposite.
It means you now have more force/mass, that'll push into the driver compartment through the firewall.
The more you take out of the engine bay, that's not present for safety/crash structure/crumple zones, the safer the car becomes.
With the Lusso, its V12 being further back, gives it a better chance to not breech the firewall.
Anyway, there's plenty of crash photos of the Roma, and the rear occupant's would leave the cars completely unscathed. That's an incredibly safe car.
Where the Lusso is better, simply comes down to cargo space, where you can fit a stroller and other cargo. However, there are small strollers that can fit and fold up like an umbrella instead of a suitcase.
@@Dejan_23UnlimitedStill no feedback, but here's someone using the Roma as a family car hauler.
Ferrari Roma child seat.
th-cam.com/video/qZ-lpVYq6rQ/w-d-xo.html
as a person who designs HMIs for a living. That system is so......l.a.g.g.y. Part of creating good digital experiences is to not have ANY lag at all. A 100% digital touch interfaces are clearly not the best of solutions. There is a time and place for different types of inputs (touch, voice, gesture, button, knob, switches). Each one has its benefits and disadvantages.
Its pre-production car
Agreed; that looked painful, even on camera (which is what, something between 24 and 60 FPS?). I almost wondered if it was like a 20Hz refresh rate when I saw him scrolling through at the beginning, but I'm guessing it's CPU/GPU bottlenecked, not refresh-rate-limited. That'd be unacceptable on a $25k car IMO, to say nothing of how bad it looks on a car of this caliber. Worse still, a laggy HMI will age particularly appallingly.
That was an educated take. Thank you, very interesting
@@malleusmaleficarum4572 It’s not. A test drove a production one and it was exactly the same.
Ferrari updated it. It's not laggy now. Trimming out view max mode and streamlining the code really helped.
I love Farrahs split personality when he’s driving and when he’s a passenger,lol!!! He’ll be str8 mobbing when he’s driving and Zach doesn’t say a word,but when he’s riding and Zach is driving he gets shook sometimes.🤣🤣🤣
I noticed that too
Jon Michaels He’s gotten really jumpy in some of the past ones they’ve done together. This one wasn’t too bad,lol!!
I feel like there was a missed opportunity when the manettino knob was described. "In this car the manettino goes to 5, which is one more than in previous cars. Is it really better? Yes, it's one more than 4."
Zach looks like the typa guy to buy a Roma
Why not this shit looks insane and it's good to drive.
He definitely double-parks his Ferrari front of the polo clubhouse
@@ZacharyDeanWright how much does it cost to have key scrapes repaired on a Ferrari?
@@ZacharyDeanWright Lmao chill fam
I love the Roma!! Perfect mix between the rear of the classic 400 Superamerica and the front of the modern Monza SP1 / SP2
Black tinted tail lights almost always look cheap, and I hope that this doesn't become a trend for cars from factory like "altezza" style tail lights were for a while.
I didn’t know there was a term for those lights. those things make me viscerally sick
Altezza lights were cool though
05 Altima.. oh geez those were bad.
🤣🤣🤣
This looks extremely clean and ties in with the other black accents.
The Hyundai Tiburon of Ferrari lineup
The tiburon was a beautiful little car honestly. It was just cheaply made
@@mogulme6190 it was not beautiful ahaha 🤣
@@lappu911 your opinion, so whatever
@@lappu911 Absolutely horrid
@@lappu911 it is beautiful to me
Way too many electronics in this car, and they all seem pretty outdated already
Seems like you are definitely not going to trade in your Chevy for one.
Normal for supercars
@@chamade166 my 2005 silverado is dependable 😎
@@gavinsorenson461 aren’t most American cars really unreliable? Especially from the 2000s?
@@mikemoggerson6651 aren't most blanket statements really unreliable? Especially from people born after the 2000s?
Loving the two-take format. You and Zack having a conversation about the car is a lot like you and the modded car owner for the old One Takes.
I kinda miss 458's screaming v8 :(
We all do 🥺
Can interest you in the c8 z06?
@@mogulme6190 yes please
The 812 and gtc4 lusso is all they have left. All the rest are turbo.
@@mikemoggerson6651 I hope the do NA V8 with electmotors like the SF90 but without the turbos
Human Machine Interface - sounds like something from the Matrix
Pretty common industry term.
A lot of industrial machinery has a HMI for control.
Yep, it has been around a long time
I like this double take format with both Matt and Zack driving.
What a drive! Y'all are really in sync in conversation. Like two homies hanging out.
This is like Ferrari's version of the Aston Martin Vantage.
I'm always a sucker for a clean looking GT car, especially in such a gorgeous blue
too clean. looks like a computer designed it in a fraction of a second. Absolutely no passion. A vending machine rental car.
Zack: "Ferrari is a T-shirt company that sells cars.."
Me: "I don't even have the T-shirt."
I would be very happy if this were my “James Bond” Ferrari. In silver, like the DB5.
It's beautiful, inside and out. I think it's the best looking Ferrari you can buy today.
I really liked this with both of you. You guys feed off of each other well.
This was cool to see you both in the car.
Stunning looking but at this price (here in the UK) it's close to a used 812. I think the 812 might offer more?
For sure
812 is the only modern Ferrari I want, and I want it a lot
Hmmm, twin turbo V8 that sounds like a 4 cylinder or an 800 hp screaming V12? Tough one.
Has a very McLarenesque power delivery, response and sound to it. Looks like crazy fun.
3:34 The 812SF and the f12 are front engine and also have 5 position manettino.
It's interesting that Ferrari made the point about "first front-engined Ferrari with 5-point Mannetino" when it is demonstrably untrue. Maybe they snuck in a "first V8 front engined?"
@@TheSmokingTire unless they are being super technical... don't know about the 812 but for the f12 almost the entirety of the engine sits behind the front axle, which technically makes it a midengine?
Love those Stratos style wheels, overall it's a stunning car, my favourite looking Ferrari in years...
personally my favourite oem wheels ever
as much as people hate on the interior we will all have to accept that this is how cars will be made in the future. not a big fan of that but it is what it is
Damn, Zach's back must really be f'ed up. He crawled in the driver's seat like an 85 year old man.
Zack's spine is where mine was in about 2011 - highly fucked.
@@TheSmokingTire from carrying the channel :)
@@GtstangLv Lmfao
@@GtstangLv definitely a group effort. Zack does a great job
2021 is the year you guys yoga up before getting down. #titaniumcoresb4youopenthedoors
I kinda like that it doesn't have a sport shifting auto mode. Forces the owners who don't care about cars to get more involved with driving.
Nope. It annoys the hell out of the owner who wants some response even in auto.
The Roma is targeted towards those who was afraid of driving a normal Ferrari, and wanted something easier to drive.
Spent four hours with it, it's a disaster.
matt you should make a video about all the cars youve owned
Did I hallucinate the Cobra one-take going up, or are we not talking about that? 😆
Really enjoyed this review type. Having Zach next to you is a win imo.
This thing is gorgeous. It actually looks like a clean concept sketch shouldn't really be legal!
You know its amazing how departed this car is from the F12, 812, and the 488 styling wise, it almost reminds me of that maserati concept car they came out with a number of years ago, like a shurnken down and far less sharktoothy maserati alfieri
while also harkening back to like the first Gen Jaguar XK8's, R's and the DB7 with how smooth its bodywork is, like I'd sooner believe this to be a car that came out in 2001 than 2021
Did you guys try driving it hard in auto? Wouldn’t you think it’ll adapt up to the selected driving mode once you start driving like it?
Podcast smodcast... but I'm with you William..... in my humble opinion you guys are the benchmark every freaking manufacturer on Earth moves a notch or two or more into credibility or the Cool Zone. Hell unless I'm mistaken just having you guys show up to get the car is a party. If I were buying any other car besides a Porsche I would need a TST stamp of approval. And I'm pretty sure Ferrari would fit in there as well.
Thank you guys there are times when I've experienced an overabundance of liquid in my eyes as I witnessed some of these cars perform.... and I did make a public comment and commitment I believe in April I would be owning a Porsche by June... couldn't pull it off but It Ain't Over Til It's Over.
Thank you again gentleman and thank you Porsche and thank you Ferrari. How fortunate are we as humans to have these engineering Marvels available to us. Think about that. Keep up the good work.
This program is rapidly becoming an account of Matt Farah’s lavish lifestyle
Matt you are wrong about it being the first front engined Ferrari with a 5 position Manettino.
The Lusso and FF has 5 settings.
ESC OFF, SPORT, COMFORT, WET, ICE.
The 812, F12 and TdF which are also front engined has,
ESC OFF, CT OFF, RACE, SPORT, WET.
Maybe it’s me but the exhaust note is far too muted.
True. But look at every new car. They all sound the same and don’t sound very good.
Eu emissions. I wonder why they didn’t make it louder for the US market?
+ ugly
@@ScottPC these car don’t sound much better with a louder exhaust, louder yes but not like the NA cars. And the Roma is more of an every day Ferrari and not supposed to be as wild as the 812. The 812 in person sounds pretty good stock. This car is like the Porsche turbo which is also quiet, even more so than the Roma.
You could get this, but I'll stick to the LC500
for the same price no way!
Dude, I see you everywhere. You are the Justin Y of car videos.
@@kristians2704 not the same price at all. LC500 starts at a little over 100k.So almost half price of the base version of this car. This, as tested was over 300k. And it looks better, better quality interior, amazingly sonorous NA V8, and most importantly, it's a Lexus so it will last forever and ever. The only real shortcoming of the LC against this car is in the power department. 475hp vs 612hp. But some guys are bolting on superchargers on RCFs and making 700hp easily, so it should technically be possible to do it to an LC500 since they both share the same engine
@@joaquinpaul8205 But how is it better if I cant option 5K for android auto and another 50K(!!!!!) in Carbon bits?
@@joaquinpaul8205 the reliability is by no means the most important thing on a new car. Also I was saying if they would be the same price then I would get the Ferrari. The Ferrari sounds almost as good as the Lexus
"What's the retail on one of those?"
"More than you can afford pal. Ferrari."
"Smoke 'em."
yeah they should bring 2 presscars or a presscar and one of Matts' cars and make a video with two cars in the canyons but first they need to stop granny shifting and learn to double clutch in drag races.
Either Matt has lost weight or that compact Roma has swallowed him up whole.
Oh man that V8 sounds good and zingy.
Sounds like Golf...
So refreshing to hear an objective review of a Ferrari press car that isn’t straight praise 👍
Please, its only praise because they didnt mention the screen, and when they did ti was complaints about the seat adjustments only being on there, and haptic touches on the steering wheel that will change all kinds of gauges and maybe even turn the car off when your moving the wheel around to park! lol its praise because if they talked about other aspects .... it probably wouldnt be as much praise
@@googleleavemynamealone9145 I’ve never heard anything negative about a Ferrari in any print review ever. Everything is relative.
I like the yeah its surprisingly drivable comment. $300,000 car hmmmm I hear brand new dual clutch transmission from Ferrari and I think wow I wonder how many mechanical ticking time bombs are in there.
@@chaseteter I guess you just don't read enough if you're only hearing one thing.
I bet lots of Americans only heard Trump was a God too
@@googleleavemynamealone9145 I don’t read many Ferrari reviews, because they’re typically full of nothing but positives. So no, I don’t read a lot of Ferrari reviews. I already alluded to that that so....? 10 points for the reach though.
I don't care for steering wheel "buttons". Ferrari should go back to "real switches".
I actually like the fact that Ferrari chose to force you into engaging the driving experience by the way they put the clamps on automatic mode. My reasoning?? One of the reasons so many folks get into trouble is from the ample opportunity for distraction when you don’t need to pay attention to the cars nuances in the driving experience. ESPECIALLY when you are giving it a bit of a beating or driving aggressively. Getting over confident with the cars command of the environment doesn’t always translate into a smart and intentionally attentive driver. The cars says, “Keep rubbing my shoulders and I’ll let you play. Ignore me and you get no serious performance goodies. You get serious transportation.” It forces the driver to engage with what’s coming into play if the driver in fact wants to play with the road. Know what I mean?? It’s already pretty damn close to an automatic when not needing to use a clutch. I think it’s a smart play since there are a whole lot of folks out there with the money to buy one of these as their first Ferrari or even first supercar and this restriction sorta forces them to engage the performance capabilities instead of just handing them over 600+HP to play with regardless of their shifting abilities. Famous last words before the new supercar owner demolishes his new car coming home from the dealer after picking it up, “Oh, here comes a corner!! This thing is supposed to handle like it’s on rails!! I’ll just hit the gas and the car will do the rest!!” 😎
Okay my friend. I took delivery of my new Roma last week and now I have had the chance to really test drive this magnificent car. One thing you said on this video (minute 9 about) that kept me thinking was that in "Automatic" mode, you feel no difference at all in any of the driving modes; Comfort, Sport and Race. Well, may I respectfully share new information with you and please if you get a chance to drive this car again, try it. So it happens that if you are "gentle" with both the Gas and/or the Break pedals, the computer will not engage the "Race" and/or the "Sport" mode settings.
So I purposely decided to be a little bit more "aggressive" with applying pressure to either the gas or break pedals and the car was amazing!!! It felt completely different. In Automatic/Race mode, the shifts happened at much higher RPMs even when going at 40 mph. It kept it in 2nd gear. Downshifting also occurred as expected in Race and Sport modes. So please, drive it again and you'll see what I am talking about.
Best regards!!! ;-)
Year after, still happy or ? Thx
If you want to use it at a race car you might not want magnetic ride so it's good to have the option. It seems like a vary nice car overall. Great review!
Using a GT car for racing? Why not get one of the more performance oriented cars
For $250k this is actually amazing. As long as you get the right options & spec. Honestly seems like a great daily
Thx for talking about no “aggressive auto” mode. Sometimes I just want that
i think that bass note comes from the dimensions/placement of the downpipe and not from the long exhaust pipes, but i could be wrong. just a hunch
Hi matt, we really enjoy the two person reviews, please do more!!
What do you all think of the new Ferrari Roma?
I don't like the way it looks, I prefer the look of the Portofino more.
Do they give the option to have the grill in chrome or a different color or does it have to be the body color ? I’ve only ever seen them the same color as the car
@@charlie1832 body color only.
California? Did you mean Portofino?
I like that Zack is in the one takes now
Dude! Matt!
You’ve GOTTA stop trampling all over Zack’s commentary
If you’re gonna have him on with you, you need to let the guy speak.
It’s not only hugely jarring it feels like you’re too big headed to listen to another human.
Stop waiting to speak and actually listen. Or if you can’t handle that just stop yourself from making stupid noises over the guy while he’s actually speaking coherent sentences.
That's so funny about the auto mode with the shift points. If you put a Porsche car with PDK in Sport Plus, even a 'regular' Carrera or Carrera S, it's practically at the limiter in every gear and downshifting every time you drop below 4,000 RPM. It's nearly unusable on the road. Much more focused.
Overall this car looks great but I'd be worried about Ferrari and bleeding edge tech...
Saw one in person, made my day
Absolutely gorgeous Ferrari, i would pick the Roma over the rest even if money wasn’t an issue!
Polarizing design, I'm leaning towards that it does in fact look great but I can see how its not for everyone. Transmission tuning is either due to preproduction or its inexcusable.
Idk, I agree with Ferrari here. It’s a GT car, so a reasonable economical trans tuning for when you’re doing your touring makes sense, and basically any enthusiast is going to shift themselves when they’re driving fast
Does HELE option effect the transmission tuning?
No, and HELE is no longer an option.
Thanks guys. Do you hit the 3.4 sec 0-60 in auto? ...in your example the auto shifting seemed pathetic at half-throttle.
Hope you guys heal well, because I'm not sure whether I'll be tuning in for your mobility scooter reviews!
I didn't realize this wasn't just a concept car. If I saw it on the street, I'd probably assume it's an Aston rather than a Ferrari
That car is absolutely stunning. SImple and beautiful like the Polestar 1.
Love how he takes his seatbelt off before the end of the video, but the driver never even looks at removing his.
“Let’s switch back. No, I’ll just drive it back to the city.”
Great video guys, thanks. FYI the cobra video is up but isn't loading (not sure if that was by design)
Does the key double as a lighter?
we were just talking about how awesome that would be.
What happened to the 289 Cobra vid that showed up today?
When can we get a One Take on the SF90?
These two takes are dope.
man i don't get it did you really go full gas?. my first test drive the car wasn't that stable like your video .ps my test drive was in the summer around 18 degree
I really like this conversation review style.
Arguably, the only reason to put a Ferrari in AUTOMATIC is to cruise. Let's say you've been out and about driving aggressively (but legally) and you're now on your way home and you're tired. Put it into automatic and relax. If you're cruising don't put it into sport and race modes.
I'd say the automatic gearbox tune is a non-issue.
5:53 - 5:58 absolutely says it all about this car 😆👍🏽
This car is the only Ferrari right now that looks just a blast to drive. All the others are waaaaayyyyy to serious in their attitude to delivering supercar experience, I would choose the Roma over F8/SG90/815 without even having to think about it.
Lovely to see you two in the same car
Best Ferrari design in years! Reminds me of the 60’s and 70’s like the 275 or 250.
These look completely better and more mean when you put slightly larger and more aggressive looking wheels on them, seems like a great daily Ferrari, cooler than a 911tts
You guys produce the best videos, and other video producers should use your evaluations for the guide for their videos. Car enthusiasts should seek out your videos always. Well done❤🎉.
I love this car. Flaws and all its perks outweigh it's shortcomings
Man it always cracks me up that people talk about these cars like they can afford them.
"Like BK you can have it your way"😂
Love it but that body color grill.... (Unless it’s an all black car, than it’s okay) Besides that it’s a beaut! Can’t wait to see it/try it
Your insurance adjuster is probly very happy. The weather. yeah makes a difference with sport tyres with that kinda power.
Sitting here wondering if I should go out today and buy the AMG GTC or Roma?(sic) So confused. Equally as classy parked outside the casino near my Monaco residence.(as if.) And put the other 150k into adding a heli-pad to my yacht.
So if you’re in auto and want to just floor it to pass a car you have to put it in manual first?
the roma is so beautiful
For a turno engine that does sound very nice....achingly pretty car. These will sell like crazy.
ferrari could make so much money if they take one of their old NA engines and stuck it to a 6mt. put any bodystyle you want on it and sell it for $1 million a pop
Yeah kinda like the 911 R
It seems a bit noisy on the inside for a GT car. Even if a Ferrari, I wonder if the extra idle noise makes it harder to daily
Great review guys...portofino or roma ? Id lean towards the folding hardtop but love the (2+ 2 ) roma too
Damn touch buttons everywhere.
How is this an improvement over physical buttons I will never understand.
These videos need more views
I would get a 992 Turbo S over this though! The 992 Turbo S is faster 0-60, the PDK should be Smoother, it is AWD, looks better to me, and it's about 50k or more Cheaper. It's a much better value for the 992 Turbo S!
The AWD part is what turns me off! I like the drifteroo 😅
@@bavomaes yea I feel you but I'm a track guy 😂. More Grip the better clawing out the corners! The 992 Turbo S is the best overall bang for your buck for a sports car in my humble opinion 💪
@@bavomaes are you really gonna drift a car at that price anyway tho
anyone 'warm up' to those headlights ?