Eugene is also the only child of divorce in the group and he talks a lot about how much he struggled growing up and the negative feelings he used to have about his dad in their videos.I think that’s a big reason why he wants people to see how upset he is .
Thank you for bringing that up. I also believe that the comment of "being harsher on women" is maybe associated to how much Eugene´s mom had to go through with the divorce, maybe.
He’s also close friends with Ariel. I’ve seen some comments stating that “she must have known! She should have left” then making a comment on her intelligence and that’s gotta sit badly with him too.
@@Shadow1Yaz Thank you for bringing that up. I was so upset seeing some people claiming they knew all along and not-so-subtly jabbing at Ariel... like what are you suggesting? that she should have known? that she was silly for staying? what does that SAY about your own character?
Yes and that is why he is pissed! And not so fast to give Ned a break. Plus the mention of internet of being hard on woman is on point. Oftentimes cheating men get a pass and either the other woman is demonized and/or the wife is said not to meet her husband's needs. Eugene is fighting sexism and taking a stand on this.
Absolutely agree. He was already friends with Becky and Ariel so not only did ned, his friend, do a shitty thing and break his trust, he also hurt other people he cares about and who support and love him. He's pissed and disgusted by that betrayal. Ariel is an awesome person, and he knows it, so he's really disgusted.
My first impressions; Eugene(left) is PISSED/radiates intense anger, Zack(middle) is sad/hurt, and Keith(right) is disappointed but has a better handle on his emotions than the other two
Thats's what I got and I guess most people watching this since this comment has alot of likes and is sorted first. No need for my own separate comment :) I don't really know what this is about yet but an additional impression for me is just that they seem ready to tell it like it is. Maybe just picked that upp from middle guy who I would say is also a bit pissed.
spot on .... Eugene is steaming, although his face and eyes are so flat it may or may not be that it's a stoicism reflected in a cultural basis - he's obviously American but I haven't the faintest idea what generation. Interesting to see such varied reactions in such a close team - probably why they work well together
I liked that Keith kept his arm behind Zach. It seemed like a supportive and protective gesture towards Zach. And as far as them cutting Ned off from his income, he's going to be fine. His net worth is listed at $10 million and is the highest of the four of them.
@@ranga1cat Yes! And Ned built his entire brand on his relationship with his family. The cookbook with his wife, the podcasts about being parents. He's been milking that aspect hard, so the hypocrisy is especially strong. Like looking back at the lie detector episode where he fully believed his marriage was stronger than everyone else's... that's literally his whole brand.
I also liked that Keith kind of had his arm around Zach. And I actually came down here to say that Ned and his family aren't going to take that much of a financial hit from him losing his job. The amount they have saved up by now will be more than enough to last them until Ned finds another line of work. They might have to lower their standard of living a little bit, but I don't think we'll see them in line at the soup kitchen any time soon. And if he and Aerial get divorced, hopefully she and the kids get all the money they're entitled to. I don't know if it's common for famous men to get off light in situations like this.
I Agree to this 100% , but Im just going to correct the usage on Net Worth. It isnt his yearly income, its the total wealth (assets - Liabilities) so he might be worth $10 Million, but that doesnt mean he has useable income/disposable money. A person can be materially rich but dirt poor in income/actual cash and still come out having a huge Net Worth.
Also don't forget that Ned has a very lucrative fall back option, as he loves to remind us of: he's got a BS from YALE in Chemistry so he's not hurting for anything except sympathy
@@ranga1cat relationship seminars!?!?!!? Im always sus about people who look like they have a very happy relationship, too happy, because its always something bad hidden.
As someone who have watched The Try Guys since their second year as a Buzz Feed group. Eugene's reaction is absolutely no surprise. He has continuesly shown and said that he has a hard time trusting and letting people in. However, in the last few years he has become more open to letting people in - and he's expressed that this is partially thanks to the other 3 guys in the group and their friendship. So no, Eugene didn't just loose a friend and business partner, he lost someone he trusted. One of the few people he truly trusted and knew how hard it is for him to trust. Ned helped build Eugene's confidence in other people to the degree where he could come out to the whole world as gay. Ned KNEW all this and still smashed that trust to pieces. But not only did he do something to break Eugene's trust. He also put everyone in a really bad situation that could, potentially, break the whole company or at least damage it. To make it even worse, Eugene is also friends with Ariel and has had a lot of childhood struggles due to his own parents getting divorced when he was a kid, so this probably feels even more personal to Eugene. As for cutting Ned's whole income? That's not really a thing. All the guys have side business and honestly, even if he didn't, Ariel has a good job and can take care of herself and the kids, so if they struggle due to his shitty choices, then she should throw the man on his ass so he can reap what he has sown. I have no sympathy for Ned in this.
I think eugene (and everyone for that matter) is like really pissed because Ned literally USED his family to make a image of himself, when he was cheating for (apparently) a whole fucking year, and watching their old videos that makes me legit sick he keeps talking about Ariel and using her as a means to virtual signal himself, it make me so fucking pissed and I think that what Eugene fells as well
@@barbara_LL Oh they're definitely all pissed and betrayed. I was just saying why I think Eugene's anger seem so "extreme" and that I think that his level of anger is really understandable.
It's everything you said, but let's not forget also that Eugene is not only gay man he is Asian gay man and probably had to work twice or three times harder to be where he is now and he probably can't believe that someone (straight white man, part of the most privileged group in the world) would throw it away just like that
In their podcast, Keith and Zach talked about what they were feeling and talk a bit more about the behind the scenes. Zach had to deal with all the lawyer stuff since Eugene and Keith were working on other projects. This is why I think this was so hard for him. He was alone as the face of the company while working with his staff. Their losing sponsorships and the TV show was changed from prime time. Keith and Zach are very upset on the podcast. I think they were able to show their true emotions there. And all of this doesn’t just affect the guys but their amazing crew.
Their TV show was changed from Wednesday night to Friday, a really big blow. Regarding brand deals yes they have lost some. The Try Guys image is all about being wholesome, non-problematic, and drama free. This scandal is anything but and has gotten nationwide coverage in all the newspapers and much of it has been inaccurate. Brands wanting to do business with a brand (Try Guys) that includes a family guy (Ned) is now going to pull out. Brands wanting to have nothing to do with drama are going to pull out. Any other chances they may have had with other TV shows are now gone.
And also, there are rumours now that Ned has been flirting with others girls while out travelling for work and the other guys knew about it and just kept quiet. Those are just rumours but their job is all about image and the whole situation is not a good look
Really insightful observations about Eugene’s fashion choice and his struggles with identity. He has stated in previous interviews that he has difficulty expressing his emotions so he uses fashion as a means of expression and as a shield. So it makes sense that his choice of clothing is intentional. Also, Eugene was the most reluctant about joining/investing in the company and releasing his videos through the TryGuys channels, so I can understand why he would feel the most betrayed by the exposure of Ned’s “the wife guy” facade and infidelity.
His relationship with his Dad went through ups and downs due to his parents devorce. He also has older sisters. I'm just guessing... I think he's protective about Ariel and feels bad for the kids who may or maynot end up in the same situation as him.
To me, the laugh from Zach you're talking about near the end is a laugh of helplessness. I think I also do something similar when I'm in a situation I think is ridiculous but I can't do anything about it. So, in my opinion the laugh shows he finds the whole situation(about the sponsored videos) ridiculous and feels powerless because they can't change it.
Keith's weird smile thing is SO relatable. I often have this reaction when a moment gets so serious that I feel like laughing out of dismay or dark humour to cope. Eugene's strong "This..." with the dramatic pause triggered Keith to laugh but he reins it in to make sure the audience knows he is serious.
I wonder this too. I'm notorious for laughing or smiling inappropriately. My brain just loves to think or notice inappropriately silly/funny things during sad, serious moments. I automatically just want to break tension with humor and it not a great habit in super serious moments 🙃
Same, oftenly in place it's very bad idea 🤦♀️ like telling a person has died, and the other one is shocked, I start smiling.... It's meant for trying to lighten their(and my) feeling a bit, like don't cry ir something... I don't know, but for SURE I'm not smiling because a person has died.... But that's how it comes across 🙈
i actually thought he was trying to adjust his glasses without touching them. as someone that’s worn glasses for most of my life, i’ve had a number of people comment on this weird scrunchy face where i bring my upper lip and cheeks up and it’s only to push my glasses back up my nose without having to touch them. so it could be him trying not to laugh, but i really think he’s just trying to adjust his glasses without fidgeting with them.
The awkward smile and laugh really hit home with me because I do the same thing in serious situations where I’m so distraught that I don’t know how else to react.
I watch Try Guys a lot and Zach tends to laugh when he's in really difficult situations as a deflection. Anytime it's like "well I've fucked this up and it's completely beyond my capabilities to fix this" or "I know I have no chance of doing this successfully" but he has to keep going anyway, he tends to do that smile and laugh thing. It's like the physical embodiment of "if I dont laugh about it, I'm going to cry." I dont think he thought anything was actually funny. The situation sucks and there's nothing he can do about it, so that's how he is indicating that he accepts that fact.
Around 43:15 when you're talking about Zach's laugh and Eugene's headshake, I know EXACTLY why Zach is laughing, because it's what I do. When something is shocking or (more likely in this case) just an unbelievable cluster****, you laugh because you can't do anything else. The situation is a bit overwhelming, and it feels like your options are to either sink down and lose yourself in being upset and angry or to laugh about it. People think I'm nuts when things are going wrong at work. Keith I feel like I also understand, because my brother is the same when things are bad. He kind of shuts down and doesn't let loose a ton of anger or sadness, he just gets focused and tries not to let out an inappropriate reaction, which results in a bit of a "blank" look.
I think you’re exactly right. Zach laughed because sometimes if you don’t you’ll cry and whatever situation that makes it so Ned is still in the videos, that’s how Zach dealt with it and Eugene is just angry.
Yep. There is irony in his laugh. I do that all the time, myself. There is nothing that can be done about it and he knows it. Eugene is s5ill pissed. He knows that there is nothing they can do about it.
@@ChristinaVVM I think you hit the nail right on the head. There's a ton of tears just waiting, so *so close* to the surface, like they're pounding at the door. And Zach's muffled laugh, that's like a doorman, a guard keeping them contained. Keith looks like he's in a detached "management-mode"; gonna hold it together while it's happening, process it afterwards. And Eugene, wow, he is silently making his statement with every gesture, and he is determined to communicate his thoughts unequivocally and unmistakably.
The first time I watched this I saw Eugene as being pissed. The second time, I saw it more as grief and sadness. Eugene is not comfortable with showing his vulnerabilities, so it comes off as more aggressive.
I'd also be willing to bet abandonment issues play into it. There's a very fine line between hurt and anger. Sometimes it's almost impossible to differentiate between the two, especially if it's happening to you.
Ughh, my mom does this. The angry stare is supposed to push the other emotions back down, hype you up for a fight and not show how vulnerable you are. Eugene is like: Attack is the best Defense.
Wow! That was an awesome read on everybody. The part when Eugene talked about the internet being harder on women and to have kindness, that was so needed. I don't even follow these guys (my teens do and they were completely shocked), yet I've seen the comments about how "the employee is a home wrecker" and "the wife must not be giving Ned something", and nothing about the guy himself. So Eugene standing up for the women is awesome! And Eugene isn't the only one pissed! Those emotional tremors you hear from Zach (I'm not 100% sure that was the middle guys name), that's exactly how I sound when I'm pissed. Like I'm going to burst into tears. But it's because I'm so angry it overwhelms me. I felt it as soon as his voice wavered. This entire thing is a prime example of how one person's actions can set off an avalanche that takes everyone out around them.
I'm sorry but you clearly are looking at very specific comments. I have never seen a single comment blaming Ariel for anything. I have seem much more hate and disgust for Ned, with a few comments made about the employee because she was also engaged and "friends" with Ariel. Regardless of everything else, she was fully aware of what she was doing and should not be completely removed from fault.
I think they were extending grace to the employee largely for legal reasons (I.e. avoid being sued by her). 1. Because Ned was her superior, power imbalance potentially at play ( think potential #MeToo); 2. Avoiding libelling someone who (I think, not sure) hasn't publicly admitted guilt, unlike Ned. Again, to protect their company. They can't be seen to blame her. It's a bit ingenious of the analyst to say he doesn't know what its about. Women DO generally get a lot more negativity online than men; that some people have actually tried to blame Ned's wife for his cheating is abhorrent. Also I understand a lot of people have been stalking employees and ex-employees online since the story broke (source: Try Guys podcast). Be kinder, people!
This is a stretch. If theres someone blaming ariel they're literally one in a million and most likely not even a fan. Also yes alex is a bad person as well. Not as bad as ned but still awful.
I think that Zach's laughter is at the irony of like "Yup, contractually we need to keep him in those videos, so it's gonna be weird..." It's a mirthless chuckle.
I love how you give credit to all the researchers and their studies! It makes the whole behavioral arts feel more like a community and a passion we have together. Thank you for always explaining things so clearly and nuanced!
I think Keith smiles when Eugene says, “THIS…” because Eugene seems to be omitting a curse that he probably used in rehearsal. Maybe Keith is waiting to see if he really says it, and is momentarily taken out of the subject matter and back to his comfort zone of humor and camaraderie.
My immediately thought is that they were reading off a teleprompter, and the teleprompter didn't scroll properly for a second, which would've made Keith have a moment of laughter that he had to suppress.
At the beginning when Keith was shaking no and looking away, I do think it's disbelief but I thought he was looking down remembering the moment when they found out and he is in his thoughts as he looks away reliving it.
Yes!..I don't think many folk will7 have got that one,associating Keith's BL with remembering the moment that they found out..I thought that too also but think you nailed that one even more!..v good 👊💯👏
I wear glasses most of the time and I know that I do the weird face scrunch to push my glasses up all the time, even when I'm not wearing glasses. I became very aware of it once I started being in Zoom meetings and looking at my own face. So I could see Keith doing the face scrunch before speaking as a grooming gesture, like okay I'm getting ready to speak and I don't want my glasses to distract me or I want to make sure I look more presentable.
I agree (I wear glasses myself), and along with that, actors on camera generally try to avoid touching their face. So if he needs to adjust his glasses, he will likely try to do so without touching them.
i wear glasses also. Could see this as a gesture that Keith would work very hard at not doing but perhaps during the stress of the situation, the gesture came out.
I'm so glad you did this analysis! Here is my two cent: I think smiles/laughter on Zach's side is probably incredulous about all the wasted work and how awkward it'll be going foward. When Eugene shakes his head while Zach chuckled it's same thing but angry. Like "I can't believe that you put us through this!" They prepare a lot of work in advance, they have sponsors and engagements with providers that they have to respect. As for Keith weird face crunch could it be that he is raising his glasses without touching them? I admit, the timing of it is weird... all and all, i appreciate their video.
For me the grimace that Keith made was from Eugene's intense emotions in that moment. I think Eugene wanted to say more. I'm wondering how many tries it took to get *this* clip out. So I think that might have been Keith pausing, in a try to look okay but grimace way, to listen and see if they could carry the set through?
@@artemis-caine I totally agree with this. Keith and Eugene are very close. I think it was discomfort at his friend struggling and it showing so much in that moment. Keith made that same face multiple times in the handcuff video when they all were in the bathroom and he made a comment about going to the bathroom handcuffed to the other guys making him very uncomfortable. I think this face was him being uncomfortable, and struggling with not showing it to much. Trying to stay comedic.
Eugene is not just talking to us, he's pretty much talking to Ned there. Also he always had a harder time opening up to the guys and i think he feels utterly betrayed now.
I took Zach laughing and Eugene shaking his head “no” as their shared responses to the videos coming out but showing it differently based on their personalities: both showing disapproval with Zach laughing as in “this is bad timing/oh man” and Eugene as “why do we have to put them out…this sucks”.
Yeah, individual demonstrations of shared feelings. I can imagine them both thinking about those upcoming videos. And like maybe Zach is realizing he had been anticipating the airing of one because he knew it was outstanding content, and now he feels foolish. And Eugene may be thinking - and probably not for the first time - something like "will this never *END?* " accompanied by a fresh wave of despair.
I love that you let people know that you reached out to other experts in behavior and "debated" together. Shows an open mind and growth mindset. Very nice.
I know what Keith is doing with that weird smile because I used to do it when I wore big glasses. It's a grooming gesture to look good just before he talks. His glasses are gliding down a little and he brings them up again with his cheekbones!! If you look at the glasses you will notice that they are a little bit higher after he does that. As usual, great insight! Love your videos!
Eugene:Looks pissed, zack:looks sad and betrayed, keith looks mad and sad....I don't blame them. Ned is a douche for what he did without thinking about the repercussions to the entire crew much less his poor wife and family.
@@Be1smaht they have 20+ employees, besides the girl who he was in the affair with. It put all of their lively hoods in jeopardy. If the Try Guys go down from this, they all lose. People in affairs never think about the repercussions on others.
One thing no one is discussing is Eugene saying he himself had an intention to leave try guys so he could pursue his own career further.. but he wanted to make sure everyone was financially sorted before he did. Logically now he has to pivot that much harder to make that work. Don't give a perfectionist more work 😂
First impression: I’ve watched their video so many times and I find it so refreshing because they are so genuine. They have control of their emotions, however they are still allowing themselves to react is genuinely as possible. Zack looks like he is on the verge of tears but is desperately trying to find some humor just to get by. Keith looks like he’s just done with the whole situation, and would rather walk away and not have to deal with it again, but Eugene is probably how I would look if I was in that situation, I related the most to him, and he is certainly hurt and ready to break a nose if he could.
I think one reason why they felt like they couldn't continue with Ned is that him being "the wife guy" was such a big thing. In any further videos everytime he mentions his wife, people would remember. If they get divorced people would know. If he wouldn't talk about her anymore, it would also be glaringly obvious. One apology video and moving on simply isn't possible if you build your brand on how much you love your wife.
Why are there people who think this was anything except protecting the rest of them from Liability? Yes, they are pissed off because he is their friend and betrayed because Alex can literally own the company if she feels malicious. Ned could have been rebranded as the Dad guy with a carefully worded statement, instead he is the idiot guy for boinking a subordinate.
@@exskoozme 100%! Firing someone who engages in a romantic relationship with a direct report is VERY normal and common because it’s a liability nightmare.
Really great video. Lots of insights. Most noteably, I think, is that a part of your analysis supports a common theory. At 25:35, when Eugene long pauses after "This.", lots of people, myself included, think that that was because he had to wait for the teleprompter (or whatever they were was reading off of) to scroll to the next line. This could be somewhat humorous. So your analysis at 31:58 that Keith's weird facial expression was a reaction to something making him laugh lines up perfectly. It makes total sense!
Ned’s wife is also an employee of the company and they’ve all worked with her for a long time, so I think that might add clarity to some the nuance that’s going on. I think they feel protective of Ariel on top of everything else.
Yes I’m very confused about this entire thing. I’ve never heard of these guys before and spent the whole video trying to figure out why the other guy was fired. I get he was cheating on his wife but even though I despise infidelity and it’s wrong that’s between him and his wife. It’s not something any smart company would get involved in, it’s his personal business. I could understand possible fear of a sexual harassment issue but it’s obviously a consensual relationship so that’s not a real danger. What he did was wrong but unless it interfered with his job performance (again no idea if it did, I don’t know these people) getting involved is walking into an absolute minefield.
@@whiteglovewatches9908 The reason Ned was removed is because the relationship was with a subordinate. He is one of the bosses and the woman is not. There's a power imbalance there and, even if it was consensual, the woman could claim she was coerced/felt she couldn't say no without losing her job and sue the company (and likely win). It's a huge no-no for a manager to date someone they oversee. It's a giant mess that Ned created that threatened to destroy the entire company. The issue isn't that he cheated, it's who he cheated with. If Ned cheated with some random person it would tarnish their wholesome image but, it likely could have been handled differently. Since Ned chose to date an employee, the rest of the guys had to call in lawyers and an HR company to help them navigate this so they had the best chance of not losing everything. I hope that helps clear it up a bit. 🙂
Eugene's manner of speaking reveals a special kind of rage of someone who has a personal connection to the wrong that has been done. Others in the comments say he's the only one from divorced parents so it makes me wonder if his mother was cheated on. He seems incredibly hurt and angry in a very personal way. With Keith, I wonder if he's an older sibling... I'm the oldest and I've made that face when my unbearable pain/anger/discomfort leaks out when I'm trying to put on a neutral or normal front during something awful. Possibly glasses adjustment but with it being right before he has to discuss something uncomfortable it makes me think theres a little more to it.
I love the Try Guys and have followed them since they were at Buzzfeed. They've worked SO hard on their channel and brand, and also all have personal endeavours that they've no doubt had to put on hold and may also be at risk now this has happened. Eugene is very close to Ariel, and I think he's extremely angry that Ned has done this to her. When Keith did his first 'disgust' face, I thought that he was uncomfortable at Eugene's obvious barely repressed anger, so it's good to hear another opinion on it.
Eugene: Anger and Betrayal (Also Eugene is the most private and is selective about who he allows into his life) Zach: Sadness and Lost Keith: Disappointment (I do notice he leans into Zach more with his arm around Zach as well, so he's trying to be supportive while processing everything)
You should watch their podcast where Keith and Zack go into more detail. I don't know if they're hiding more information, as you questioned near the end, but it does seem that there is a lot they can't say due to legal restraints. Overall, I think the remaining Try Guys seem very genuine and are taking the right steps in a very murky and ugly situation.
Around 38:00 when you’re talking about Zach seeming to have the hardest time with the decision, I think the reason Zach is expressing stress was because he was the main person who was having to handle all of the legal aspects & talking with lawyers every day. On their podcast he talks about how stressful & exhausting that was for him & it seems like all of those feelings are coming up when talking about making the decision to let Ned go.
Oh, that would double-suck! I've occasionally been in situations that were emotionally troubling to me - downright devastating sometimes - but it was my job to deal with the aftermath. Representing the company, gotta be professional; signing legal forms, verifying paperwork, giving endless interviews and official statements. Oh man, that can *seriously* break a person! I hope he made it through intact and is okay.
My initial thoughts from the clip line up with what most fans are saying. Eugene is angry, Zach is trying not to cry, and Keith looks exhausted. Edit for further responses- Zach shrug, probably a mix. Mostly doesn't want to go through everything, probably also admitting there's no way to go through "everything" but for simplification purposes, go with it. Keith breaking eye contact, I think he's ashamed with himself for not seeing clues. I think they're sincere that they didn't know but I think at least two of them are feeling some guilt. (I say at least two because it's hard to read anything other than anger from Eugene.) I think the "no" is disapproval of Ned's action/disappointment in Ned, and again, shame. Eugene headshake while Keith is talking, agreed, show of disapproval (of Ned.) "Aggressively pissed-off" made me laugh. Bang on! Excellent insight into WHY he's mad. He has had to fight for his identity and this does potentially cast doubt. It's personal for all of them because this is their company, their friend, their employees, but the other two probably aren't worried about what the fans will think of them as individuals in the same way Eugene is. I agree Zach ultimately agrees with the decision they all made but probably struggled most with the moral decision making because yes, that's his friend. He doesn't want to hurt or lose anybody and he's still battling with the inner conflict of this was the right decision but it sucks. I took Zach's little laugh at the branded videos part as an acknowledgement that it's awkward that they're committed to branded content at this awkward time. I agree Eugene's again disappointed in all the ways this impacted what they've done and possibly was thinking Zach's laugh wasn't appropriate. I think Eugene's being protective of the women involved mostly for Ariel's sake and also a little because no matter what Alex's consent level was, there's an unbalanced power dynamic there in Ned's favour. It's possible Alex is claiming it wasn't consentual. Knowing all the little things fans have nitpicked and brought out from old podcasts, it sounds like Alex has a history of being a party girl I wonder if Eugene sees vulnerability there. I think Eugene feels MORE protective of Ariel and angry about that relationship breaking because of the kids involved and the fact that he's a child of divorce. He also might be urging for everyone to go easy on Alex because Alex's fiance did immediately break off the engagement, so no matter her fault level, she has also lost something major. To respond to the cutting off Ned's income: 1. I'm sure he's still entitled to some amount of money, between residuals and severance, etc. Possibly bought out as owner by contract. But also, Ariel (Ned's wife) is still an employee of the company at this time, so they haven't left a family with small kids without an income.
Yes to all of this. Also, Ned is likely to be the least financially hurt by his separation from the company. Not just because he'll likely get some form of buyout from the other three Try Guys (adding insult to injury), but also because he was already wealthy going back to their Buzzfeed days. Ned came from a well-off family, went to Yale, then worked in finance. That dude's the epitome of the saying, "he was born on third base & thinks he hit a triple." He wasn't just an owner & manager - he was the Try Guys' head of HR! Being removed from the company isn't a punishment per se; rather, it's a legitimate consequence of his actions.
This was the rare case where I'd seen the video in question before yours! To me Zach just seems absolutely devastated, betrayed, and heartbroken. Keith, I think is upset, but what's done is done and he's more worried about the employees and the welfare of the company they built together. Eugene... Eugene is just out for blood. 😂He would be the best friend to have if someone ever hurt you! I don't think it's just about Ned endangering the company, either. I think he's restraining himself as best he can, but he's absolutely disgusted and enraged on a very personal level, and very much for Ariel's sake/by Ned harming *her.*
I so agree about Eugene. I'm not super familiar but other comments have said he's a child of Divorce so I wonder if his mother was cheated on. He really has a protective anger feeling about him.
I've watched The Try Guys for years, and it's always been evident that Keith is a genuine, forthright, good guy. He's not a liar. When he said they had no idea what was going on and were just as taken by surprise as fans, I knew immediately that his body language was conveying something other than deception. He's embarrassed and disappointed in himself, not only for not picking up on signs that something was amiss but for misjudging someone he's worked with day in and day out for years. He feels like people are probably judging him for not knowing what's been going on right under his nose, and that makes him feel ashamed.
I think Keith had suspicions... He seems like he's grilling ned, e.g. this looks like a guy cheats on your wife type of salad. But I don't think he found anything conclusive so he's disappointed in himself.
@@Umeshukitsune he likely thought anything that appeared suspicious was just his imagination or not as it appeared because it was Ned, after all, wife guy. I've been in that position, finding out a close friend was doing horrible things and wondering if people thought I knew or if they suspected me as well. It really messed with my head and made me feel embarrassed and like an idiot for a long time.
I feel Zach’s laughter, after it was explained there will be branded videos showing up in a few weeks, is him reacting to the fact they’ve taken the actions they have: firing, cutting ties, speaking out, but then still having to show new videos that will make it seem they’re negating everything they’ve just done. He’s reacting, thinking about how ridiculous they will seem showing new videos, though filmed pre-scandal, and how absurd it will appear in light of their current actions and words. It’s a no win situation and he’s realising it.
44:50 - When this leaked and was gaining traction, a lot of people on the internet were attacking both Ned and the female employee he had an affair with. Most likely, the Try Guys talked with their lawyers/PR/HR team and it was recommended to let the public know NOT to blame/attack the employee since Ned was technically her boss. They also included Ariel (when they said "family members") so that the public doesn't go harassing Ariel about this whole debacle.
This is understandable but also kind of wild. Alex is just as guilty as ned is. Why are there no consequences for her? She gets to keep her job (legalese I know. I get it) and the guys are publicly defending her/asking for mercy where she’s concerned. People aren’t allowed to express their disgust in her behavior but are for ned? 🤔🤨
Agreed. I think there is always a huge danger of the woman being labeled “a home wrecker” and blamed for “seducing a loving husband from his family.” In this scenario, Ned had the authoritative power as her boss, and apparently has the tendency to flirt and push boundaries. So the “don’t go after the women” bit is most likely trying to get ahead of that nonsense.
@@kourtnie3609 there’s a power dynamic issue at play here though. He had a responsibility to keep things professional- not just for monogamy’s sake- but because it exposes the company to potential legal repercussions. If Alex kept her job, it’s because her actions didn’t jeopardize the company. Ned’s did.
@@jennyleona5703 that’s kind of a good point. If ned was the one who pursued her then I guess she would be entitled to a little more grace than he would be. But at the same time it takes 2 to tango. It feels to me like the guys are trying to erase her part of the scandal/pull her out of the narrative, which doesn’t seem fair.
@@kourtnie3609 no, I don’t think they are trying to erase her part. He was her BOSS. HE had the power, and he abused that power. It’s also quite possible - likely even - that they know more than we do about exactly what happened, when, and why. We know very little, actually. Does she also have a family? What kind of support system does she have? Are there racial and/or age overtones as well? Did he tell her some story, like he was gonna leave his wife? Did she express remorse and he didn’t? Did she think they had an open relationship? I certainly don’t know any of this (though others might.) I do know that women, on the whole, catch FAR more disapproval than men for doing the exact same things. I find it refreshing, actually, that these guys are bothering to consider these power and gender dynamics, and NOT automatically trying to excuse his behavior and throw her under the bus. That happens WAY too often. This situation has to just completely suck for everyone involved. I hope they are able to recover and move beyond all this. I’ve enjoyed their work, what I’ve seen of it. Hopefully everyone, especially the wife and the employee, are able to find some healing and peace.
As someone who struggles with trauma based dissociation, I noticed Eugene’s anger, but I also noticed a bit of dissociation and zoning out, which makes sense due to the intense shock and betrayal he must be feeling along with his childhood traumas due to being a child of divorce resurfacing.
You're right! I noticed bits of flat affect with him but attributed it to a deliberately-neutral masking. Watching again I saw yes it's similar to my own "going away for a second" face. Microexpression, or something like autonomic...something? I can't really put it into words.
I've been wondering if Keith's headshake and looking away wasn't a disappointment in himself. I think (just like any friend) that he might have seen the signs but that he ignored it because he didn't want to believe it.
I have to say, I literally did not know who these guys were. I still don't to be fair yet still their video really shook me. I DON'T have any attachment to these guys or the poor wife. But this video has to be genuine.
The four of them and their partners are absolutely a chosen family. Due to how interconnected their lives are, it would be complicated and devastating regardless. Adding on the legal strain of a power imbalance that could threaten the livelihoods of their families and the families of ALL their employees is just overwhelming.
It feels like these three are representing a whole. One gives off anger vibes, one gives off hurt vibes and the other gives of "deep breath because we've got to be professional and deliver this info - this is my job. I'll cry and punch a cabinet later" vibes. I imagine all three feel all of those things but each is representing one emotion very well.
I could see that. I've been in work situations where we'd do something similar. Delegating the broad emotional reactions by unspoken, almost unconscious agreement, each person taking responsibility for a single aspect of the group's collective turmoil. It'd be like "you hold all our simmering anger, you get to take the high road of tolerant disapproval, and I'll lament the choices that brought us here." Then after it's all over we'd get together to release and share our designated burdens, usually over beers & sometimes weed (since it became legal here).
I don't know these guys. You explaining their backgrounds and positions on their show explains alot. My first reaction was how they were sitting on the couch. The first man was braced and almost distancing himself from the other two. At first I thought he was separating himself from the other two men. But no. He is holding himself back because he is beyond angry. The man in the middle is genuinely distraught. Plain and simple in grief mode. The 3rd man has his arm over the back of the couch one arm hug over the guy in the middle. And really the entire group. My heart hurts for all 3. They are struggling with their pain. That is my arm chair analysis. Spidey, I really enjoy your channel. Great job.
I watches this video when it first came out. I think it was unfair that the fans were pressuring them for a statement so soon. Whenever anyone is going through legal issues, they deserve the privacy to deal everything before going public. Eugene's posture was something that really stood out for me. Usually when someone is sitting with their legs crossed like that, it comes off as comfortable. But with him, it's like he is closing himself off or put distance between his real emotions and what he is meant to say. His anger also made me wonder if he himself has ever been cheated on. Maybe that could be a reason why he has so much anger for Ned. I haven't watched a lot of their work but Keith and Zac usually seem like fun and goofy guys. It was a very different feel than what they are usually like.
My husband makes a similar expression as Keith when he is adjusting his glasses. He constantly adjusts his glasses without touching them. I thought maybe he was grooming preparing to speak.
Before this video, I had no knowledge of The Try Guys! This was a fascinating and riveting analysis and compelled me to look up The Try Guys and even subscribe to them! 😁 Thank you for this awesome analysis and greetings from Australia 🇦🇺. 💕
I was waiting for this reaction video!!!! Thank you Spidey! I just love your reactions and your channel has become my go-to in behavior analysis. More videos please! 🙂
I didn't know who these guys were until the scandal happened, and Eugene is giving the resting ***** face of anger, disappointment, bitterness, annoyance, he shook his head no at a point and his leg was doing the shake of anxiety that a person might do in a tense situation, clear sadness with Zac with the sad brows, voice quivering, mouth clenched towards frowning, and Keith kinda playing the neutral public relations guide of trying to explain the situation while putting on a professional yet empathetic tone
A theory on the Keith “smile”- this is something I do at times, myself. Because of the shape of my face, when I scrunch my face like that, it pushes my glasses up without me having to reach up. He may be trying not to bring his hands up, so he’s adjusting his glasses another way.
I don't know them. I can hardly pay attention to the other two guys because my eyes go to the guy in black, I almost feel threatened, he clenches his fist and looks angrily at the camera and his partners, they seem nervous but he looks really really angry! Love your videos Spidey!
I think cause he was a close friend with the wife - so kind of talking the betrayal as his own and that makes him feel enraged as it’s kind of personal to him
Oh, he definitely was angry. Not only is he close to Ariel, but his parents also went through a divorce because of similar circumstances. He knows how hard the kids will have it if their parents' relationship dissolves. He was probably mostly angry on the family's behalf.
Oh, he definitely was angry. Not only is he close to Ariel, but his parents also went through a divorce because of similar circumstances. He knows how hard the kids will have it if their parents' relationship dissolves. He was probably mostly angry on the family's behalf.
I LOVED Eugene's response, it doesn't make me feel scared or threatened, I find that kind of clear moral compass very comforting, and a great leadership quality. It's non-compromising. It's discerning, sharp, clear, firm and boundaried! I find the seeming moral-mush of the other two, to be unnerving, spaghetti- noodle- spinlessness. I'd much rather have Eugene in my corner if I was the cheated on wife than the others who snicker, squirm, and feel bad for the cheater.
So glad you did this video! It would be so interestingto see your anysis of the (video) podcast where they talk about it - its the Trypod episode 181"ok, let's talk about it." It's just Keith, Zach and their podcast producer Miles. It's a much more casual conversation and I'm curious what you'd get from it!
This video was amazing! I feel like I learned so much, and love that you mentioned the articles as well!. I watched the original video when it came out and hoped you would post this analysis!
38:56 it appears to me that Eugene stops being super pissed for a bit and is remembering good things/sad, catches himself, and focuses on being pissed again. Situations like this are like jumping into a blender with all the emotions. I think when Zack is laughing, is more of a " I can't believe what a nightmare this is", laugh or you'll cry situation. I don't think any smile or chuckle here is from fond memory. I agree that there is a lot more to the story. Thanks Spidey!
In Italy shoulder shrugging is commonly seen as "I don't care" kind of attitude. When kids do that to parents or teachers they're in big troubles so we learn from a young age not to shrug. My son is in the spectrum and he struggles with social cues. To him shrugging could mean "I don't know" or "I'm sorry I can't help you with that" or many other things. I remember a specific episode from before he was diagnosed. He was 12 or 13 and I was talking to his teacher. She was concerned about his overall behaviour even though he's always been very quiet and well behaved. Basically she was telling me that few of her colleagues notice his dismissive behavior towards them, when in fact it was not at all the case.
This was an incredible video to watch! I also think it's interesting who looks at who at what time. For example a couple of times Zach looks over at Keith when he's looking for support or Eugine when he's trying to show support for what he's saying. However, the others don't really do that except when they're wrapping up at the end and maybe are not as focused on remembering the script. I think it shows their relationship with each other as a unit and also that Zach is seeking more reassurance from the strength or protection from the other guys.
This is an amazing body language video. All three display a different intense emotion. The guy in the black shirt is pissed. The guy in the middle is hurt and in grief over it and the last one is the most neutral and level headed. Not. Happy about the situation that happened but doesnt seem that upset to loose a friend where as the other too are more upset over loosing a friend
I've watched the Try Guys for a long while, and the guy on the right (Keith) has a tendency to act quiet and calm when he's mad or disappointed. Usually, he's a very loud, jolly fellow who enjoys smiling. I think his calmness here is an indicator that he was, in fact, extremely disappointed in Ned.
@@anonview oh i have no doubt he was very disappointed in the guy. I am just saying he comes across that way. Sometimes some people hold no illusions that they have that one friend who is foolish and could possibly screw things up. You dont know when nor how but you see it coming to bite them eventually. When it does happen yeah your mad but it like you have had enough and just cant care anymore about them.
Yes! This is what impressed me most about their video. I hadn't been subscribed to their channel, but that statement alone is enough to get me to subscribe.
Hi Spidey, great clips so far with a lot of things te read. Here is my take. Movements: Left Gentleman -Inward finger movement -a lot of arm shakes (is this a sort of pacifying?) -inward lip licking -lip compressions -eyebrow flash -nose touch Middle Gentleman: -Higher blinkrates (spikes) -Rubbing hands (is this pacifying?) -Handmovements doesn't feel in sync -eye blocking -lip compression -lip upward, contempt -praying pacifying -lip lick -look away and shows contempt during sponsor -during the privacy part he's both pacifying, liplicking and has lip compression. Right guy: -face touch -lip conpression -after the long "this" lip goes up and nose opens showing angre -eye block -after talking about removal, lip compression. Wordings: Right: engaging public romantic behavior. "Psychological distancing" Left: "this" and a long break. "Also distancing. Right: when he talks about branging video's left shakes his head and the middle one eye flutters, had a lip compression and looks away (down) eye blocking. Left: "stuff like this" one again distancing. Left: a lot harder towards, eyebrow flash seeking aproval. Te overal feeling I get from this video is that the discission is mostly made by the guy on the right, or at least he shows a lot less empathy towards the situation. Also he talks about the branded video's, like thats of any importants besides the money they recieve for this. The middle one and the one on the left look very down, its a pretty depressed setting and I think there is a lot of disareement between them.
That was interesting, lots of fascinating body language cues in this one. I’ve never heard of the Try Guys but my overall impression is that they can’t believe the cheating guy has done so much damage to so many people, in particular their brand and their friendship with his selfish behaviour. Plus, they know that the damage might very likely be irreversible.
It only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch. They're truly affected by this huge disruption in their lives. I'd be angry too. Thoughtless and selfish, unrestrained behavior hurts more than just YOU!!
I think Eugene's urge for people to be kind to the girlfriend is a deliberate statement designed to protect the company. She was a subordinate to Ned and he was ultimately in a position of power and a partner. He is trying to deflect a lawsuit that could potentially come from her as an employee. Zach just breaks my heart and Keith reminds me of a disapproving uncle.
I don't think there's an undertone to his message with being kind towards women. I've noticed that whenever there is a cheating story and the guy cheats on his partner with another woman, everyone tends to go crazy over the affair partner, calling her names, trying to doxx her, sending death threats. So perhaps this employee already started receiving a lot of hate. It's the idea that she broke a home and she's the one to blame because she knew he's married....but then the guy also knew he's married and he still chose to stick his D where it shouldn't be....
I was hoping you would do this one. There was so much visual body language and even when they spoke. Especially Eugene. Another one to look at is the video podcast with Keith and Zach that came out a day or two later.
I watch (& usually enjoy) The Try Guys videos. Soon as I saw *this* one I immediately thought what a field day some of my other favourite TH-cam channels would have with it. The level of the guys’ nonverbal communication was insane! Spidey you, and Logan from Observe, did not disappoint. Eugene especially had a hard time controlling his nonverbal cues. Can’t blame him. Zach just looks and sounds shattered.
i saw eugene and i was SO heartbroken. like everyone was talking abt ‘ooh, petty queen’ ‘oh to be a fly on the wall when him and becky (keith’s wife) gave ned a pieces of their mind’ and ‘oh look how angry he is! a stare that could kill a man!’ and yes that but like. the tension in his body and voice and the tear at the end and the pauses he took in odd places when he was speaking just made me feel like he was two seconds away from breaking the fuck down, and that he had to be angry or he would just kinda collapse. i related like, a little too hard lmao. thank you for your videos! i really appreciate your wisdom and intelligence and insight and respect for all involved, especially when dealing with controversial topics.
Listening to the video the first time, I felt bad. Even if I didn't know the story or these people... The one on the left looked angry. The one in the middle seemed very sad to me. And after the video, I felt even worse....They touched me. And I'm "happy" to know now,after listening to your analyses,that my feelings probably come from the fact that they are sincere....
I'll put money on that 'strange' expression from Keith being his way of shifting his glasses back up without using his hands. I remember doing something VERY similar when wearing my sunglasses, lol....(particularly if my hands are full)
45:51 Zach once told Ned that he looked up to his marriage as the ideal. I think it's in the lie detector video. It seems he really looked up to Ned so that would account for how hard he/they are taking all of this. Also a key component of their brand is authenticity. They try stuff and we trust them to be honest about their experience. it might be considered a major blow to their brand... They may be protecting that as well...
I was so sad to see them so upset. I actually wanted to cry. I’ve seen them for years and seen how their friendship and business grow. It made me sad to see how hurt they were. How betrayed and angry they were.
Thanks for the great content, Spidey. I do not know these guys and maybe I am missing something from the story but I was surprised when asking to be kind to family and employees, Eugene mentioned employeeS involved in plural (44:36) Why plural? Wasn’t he talking about The person their friend was involved with?
Because some people have been bothering some of their employees asking them to comment on what has happened. In their podcast they asked people to leave their staff alone. I wouldn't be surprised if their family members have been asked to comment on this too.
When the video from the Try Guys came out I immediately thought of you analysing it and I‘m so happy that you did so. I was so confused by Keiths weird face movements I would‘ve asked you if you didn‘t make the video ;) So thanks a lot for all of your videos but espacially for this one :)
Really interesting thank you Spidey! I can see a lot of nervousness in all three. They are obviously going through grief as they have lost a friend and colleague. I can see anger, denial, and shock in their responses. Just a difficult and awkward situation all round.
I have to admit I had heard of the try guys before but I hadn’t ever watched them. This was a very interesting video. I always love to hear what your thoughts are on a persons body language and what they’re actually verbally saying as well. I think you’re spot on. This has just rocked their company, their brand, and decisions had to be made. In addition, Ned was also a friend. That makes everything even harder. I know what Ned did was disgusting and awful. Never should’ve happened, etc. i also think the other 3 are doing what they feel is best for their brand by letting Ned go and continuing on without him. I understand that, but I find that it’s a very harsh decision. I am in no way condoning an affair, especially with an employee 🤦♀️ where there is a power imbalance. However, taking everything he’s helped build, not to mention his livelihood, away from him is severe. I pray for all involved, especially Ned’s wife. She didn’t deserve any of this. Thank you for going over this one for us and keep on shining! ❤️🌟💫
I think Zach's (early) shrug may indicate "I'm not sure what may come out as we look into it further" or "there's a process playing out, it's out of my hands." Interesting analysis! I love this stuff.
First impressions: These three look genuinely betrayed and hurt by the actions of someone they trusted. I can't really say more to what happened behind the scenes.
At 17:00, I interpreted that shrug as a “as we go through” and he starts to think about all the things they’re going through, and they are going through so much, it’s a shrug of “I don’t even know where to start.” So like, “as we go through… I don’t know, EVERYTHING.” There’s just so much they’re going through, he doesn’t even know where to begin. So he just groups it all together as “everything.” That was my interpretation.
I believe the "weird smile" is just him trying to push his glasses up without his hands. I've been wearing glasses for almost my whole life and do exactly that when they slipped down on my nose and my hands aren't free to push them back up.
Spidey, thank you for your content. I always learn something from watching your videos. Commenters who talk about Keith's smile being him moving his glasses, thank you, you taught me a new trick!
I think with Zach's laughing, he might be laughing at the absurdity of it. How they have these videos with Ned that they HAVE to edit and post because they have a contract with a company or brand. It would seem silly and strange (if that's what he means. I don't know if he means prerecorded videos with Ned or future videos without Ned where they have to pretend everything is okay). And Eugene kind of shaking his head may be disbelief or disagreement with the fact that they have to post the videos. He may not want to or maybe he's thinking about the comments. Also Ned and Alex weren't just coworkers cheating on their partners. Ned was her BOSS. And even though she is a completely consenting adult, there will always be speculation on whether or not she felt pressured because Ned was her boss. I personally don't believe that she was, but there are such high emotions with boss/employee relationships that cutting Ned off was definitely the right choice.
They definitely are. Though I shall not support them anymore until they get rid of the Maneater Alex. I love the try guys. Followed them since buzzfeed. Years I've watched these men. And I refuse to support people whom vilify ned but not Alex.
@@krisj5561 looking at their newest videos description, she has been removed. Don't know if she left by her own decision or whatnot but she does not seem to be a Try Guys employee anymore.
At 43:15 with Zach's laugh and Eugene's headshake, I think they were exactly the same emotion shown: *disbelief* . But just shown through different means that reflect their personality/thoughts at that moment. Because I can recall moments when I've also laughed out of disbelief just like Zach did, and it's heartbreaking because it's usually when I feel truly helpless when that laugh bubbles out. Eugene, as I took it, still had the fresh anger on the surface so his feels more like disbelief plus disappointment.
Eugene is also the only child of divorce in the group and he talks a lot about how much he struggled growing up and the negative feelings he used to have about his dad in their videos.I think that’s a big reason why he wants people to see how upset he is .
Thank you for bringing that up. I also believe that the comment of "being harsher on women" is maybe associated to how much Eugene´s mom had to go through with the divorce, maybe.
It's also true, women get treated worse than the cheating men.
He’s also close friends with Ariel. I’ve seen some comments stating that “she must have known! She should have left” then making a comment on her intelligence and that’s gotta sit badly with him too.
@@Shadow1Yaz Thank you for bringing that up. I was so upset seeing some people claiming they knew all along and not-so-subtly jabbing at Ariel... like what are you suggesting? that she should have known? that she was silly for staying? what does that SAY about your own character?
Yes and that is why he is pissed! And not so fast to give Ned a break. Plus the mention of internet of being hard on woman is on point. Oftentimes cheating men get a pass and either the other woman is demonized and/or the wife is said not to meet her husband's needs. Eugene is fighting sexism and taking a stand on this.
Eugene is really close and protective of his mom, sisters and the wives. I think this is a lot of what is happening.
Exactly.
Absolutely agree. He was already friends with Becky and Ariel so not only did ned, his friend, do a shitty thing and break his trust, he also hurt other people he cares about and who support and love him. He's pissed and disgusted by that betrayal. Ariel is an awesome person, and he knows it, so he's really disgusted.
My first impressions; Eugene(left) is PISSED/radiates intense anger, Zack(middle) is sad/hurt, and Keith(right) is disappointed but has a better handle on his emotions than the other two
Same, exactly what I think too.
Thats's what I got and I guess most people watching this since this comment has alot of likes and is sorted first. No need for my own separate comment :) I don't really know what this is about yet but an additional impression for me is just that they seem ready to tell it like it is. Maybe just picked that upp from middle guy who I would say is also a bit pissed.
Zach looks like he’s about to cry.
Yes this was my initial conclusion also.
spot on .... Eugene is steaming, although his face and eyes are so flat it may or may not be that it's a stoicism reflected in a cultural basis - he's obviously American but I haven't the faintest idea what generation. Interesting to see such varied reactions in such a close team - probably why they work well together
I liked that Keith kept his arm behind Zach. It seemed like a supportive and protective gesture towards Zach. And as far as them cutting Ned off from his income, he's going to be fine. His net worth is listed at $10 million and is the highest of the four of them.
@@ranga1cat Yes! And Ned built his entire brand on his relationship with his family. The cookbook with his wife, the podcasts about being parents. He's been milking that aspect hard, so the hypocrisy is especially strong. Like looking back at the lie detector episode where he fully believed his marriage was stronger than everyone else's... that's literally his whole brand.
I also liked that Keith kind of had his arm around Zach.
And I actually came down here to say that Ned and his family aren't going to take that much of a financial hit from him losing his job. The amount they have saved up by now will be more than enough to last them until Ned finds another line of work. They might have to lower their standard of living a little bit, but I don't think we'll see them in line at the soup kitchen any time soon.
And if he and Aerial get divorced, hopefully she and the kids get all the money they're entitled to. I don't know if it's common for famous men to get off light in situations like this.
I Agree to this 100% , but Im just going to correct the usage on Net Worth. It isnt his yearly income, its the total wealth (assets - Liabilities) so he might be worth $10 Million, but that doesnt mean he has useable income/disposable money. A person can be materially rich but dirt poor in income/actual cash and still come out having a huge Net Worth.
Also don't forget that Ned has a very lucrative fall back option, as he loves to remind us of: he's got a BS from YALE in Chemistry so he's not hurting for anything except sympathy
@@ranga1cat relationship seminars!?!?!!? Im always sus about people who look like they have a very happy relationship, too happy, because its always something bad hidden.
As someone who have watched The Try Guys since their second year as a Buzz Feed group. Eugene's reaction is absolutely no surprise. He has continuesly shown and said that he has a hard time trusting and letting people in. However, in the last few years he has become more open to letting people in - and he's expressed that this is partially thanks to the other 3 guys in the group and their friendship.
So no, Eugene didn't just loose a friend and business partner, he lost someone he trusted. One of the few people he truly trusted and knew how hard it is for him to trust.
Ned helped build Eugene's confidence in other people to the degree where he could come out to the whole world as gay. Ned KNEW all this and still smashed that trust to pieces. But not only did he do something to break Eugene's trust. He also put everyone in a really bad situation that could, potentially, break the whole company or at least damage it. To make it even worse, Eugene is also friends with Ariel and has had a lot of childhood struggles due to his own parents getting divorced when he was a kid, so this probably feels even more personal to Eugene.
As for cutting Ned's whole income? That's not really a thing. All the guys have side business and honestly, even if he didn't, Ariel has a good job and can take care of herself and the kids, so if they struggle due to his shitty choices, then she should throw the man on his ass so he can reap what he has sown. I have no sympathy for Ned in this.
I think eugene (and everyone for that matter) is like really pissed because Ned literally USED his family to make a image of himself, when he was cheating for (apparently) a whole fucking year, and watching their old videos that makes me legit sick he keeps talking about Ariel and using her as a means to virtual signal himself, it make me so fucking pissed and I think that what Eugene fells as well
@@barbara_LL Oh they're definitely all pissed and betrayed. I was just saying why I think Eugene's anger seem so "extreme" and that I think that his level of anger is really understandable.
@@lampekartoffel oh yeah i got that part haha, i was just complementing it
@@barbara_LL Ah, good, I was a little unsure, thx for the clarification 😊
It's everything you said, but let's not forget also that Eugene is not only gay man he is Asian gay man and probably had to work twice or three times harder to be where he is now and he probably can't believe that someone (straight white man, part of the most privileged group in the world) would throw it away just like that
When Zach laughed at the end I actually saw it as disbelief, like he just couldn't believe they were still going to be dealing with this.
In their podcast, Keith and Zach talked about what they were feeling and talk a bit more about the behind the scenes. Zach had to deal with all the lawyer stuff since Eugene and Keith were working on other projects. This is why I think this was so hard for him. He was alone as the face of the company while working with his staff. Their losing sponsorships and the TV show was changed from prime time. Keith and Zach are very upset on the podcast. I think they were able to show their true emotions there. And all of this doesn’t just affect the guys but their amazing crew.
Someone whom actually knows the guys of what we can see.
I'm not sure why they would lose sponsors? So many other vloggers have done worse. Not sure about the tv show except being in the middle of this.
@@SuperDrLisa I agree about not understanding why they would lose sponsors because they handled this perfectly, in my opinion.
Their TV show was changed from Wednesday night to Friday, a really big blow. Regarding brand deals yes they have lost some. The Try Guys image is all about being wholesome, non-problematic, and drama free. This scandal is anything but and has gotten nationwide coverage in all the newspapers and much of it has been inaccurate. Brands wanting to do business with a brand (Try Guys) that includes a family guy (Ned) is now going to pull out. Brands wanting to have nothing to do with drama are going to pull out. Any other chances they may have had with other TV shows are now gone.
And also, there are rumours now that Ned has been flirting with others girls while out travelling for work and the other guys knew about it and just kept quiet.
Those are just rumours but their job is all about image and the whole situation is not a good look
Really insightful observations about Eugene’s fashion choice and his struggles with identity. He has stated in previous interviews that he has difficulty expressing his emotions so he uses fashion as a means of expression and as a shield. So it makes sense that his choice of clothing is intentional. Also, Eugene was the most reluctant about joining/investing in the company and releasing his videos through the TryGuys channels, so I can understand why he would feel the most betrayed by the exposure of Ned’s “the wife guy” facade and infidelity.
Wow. All this makes so much sense! I’ve seen a few videos of theirs but I didn’t know all this about them. Great to see that it adds up 😊
Yes!! Exactly
Woooow
That's what I thought too. He's struggled with a lot of emotional turmoil in his life, which can make it hard to express feelings coherently.
His relationship with his Dad went through ups and downs due to his parents devorce. He also has older sisters. I'm just guessing... I think he's protective about Ariel and feels bad for the kids who may or maynot end up in the same situation as him.
To me, the laugh from Zach you're talking about near the end is a laugh of helplessness. I think I also do something similar when I'm in a situation I think is ridiculous but I can't do anything about it. So, in my opinion the laugh shows he finds the whole situation(about the sponsored videos) ridiculous and feels powerless because they can't change it.
I think exactly the same since I do have those same reactions myself sometimes
Yesss same
Same! I think he laughs bc the whole situation is so unbelivebably messed up that it's just ridiculous and "funny"
That’s what I think too because I have done it. It’s a laugh if I really can’t believe we are doing this right now.
I totally agree
Keith's weird smile thing is SO relatable. I often have this reaction when a moment gets so serious that I feel like laughing out of dismay or dark humour to cope. Eugene's strong "This..." with the dramatic pause triggered Keith to laugh but he reins it in to make sure the audience knows he is serious.
I wonder this too. I'm notorious for laughing or smiling inappropriately. My brain just loves to think or notice inappropriately silly/funny things during sad, serious moments. I automatically just want to break tension with humor and it not a great habit in super serious moments 🙃
Same, oftenly in place it's very bad idea 🤦♀️ like telling a person has died, and the other one is shocked, I start smiling.... It's meant for trying to lighten their(and my) feeling a bit, like don't cry ir something... I don't know, but for SURE I'm not smiling because a person has died.... But that's how it comes across 🙈
i actually thought he was trying to adjust his glasses without touching them. as someone that’s worn glasses for most of my life, i’ve had a number of people comment on this weird scrunchy face where i bring my upper lip and cheeks up and it’s only to push my glasses back up my nose without having to touch them. so it could be him trying not to laugh, but i really think he’s just trying to adjust his glasses without fidgeting with them.
The awkward smile and laugh really hit home with me because I do the same thing in serious situations where I’m so distraught that I don’t know how else to react.
I watch Try Guys a lot and Zach tends to laugh when he's in really difficult situations as a deflection. Anytime it's like "well I've fucked this up and it's completely beyond my capabilities to fix this" or "I know I have no chance of doing this successfully" but he has to keep going anyway, he tends to do that smile and laugh thing. It's like the physical embodiment of "if I dont laugh about it, I'm going to cry." I dont think he thought anything was actually funny. The situation sucks and there's nothing he can do about it, so that's how he is indicating that he accepts that fact.
Around 43:15 when you're talking about Zach's laugh and Eugene's headshake, I know EXACTLY why Zach is laughing, because it's what I do. When something is shocking or (more likely in this case) just an unbelievable cluster****, you laugh because you can't do anything else. The situation is a bit overwhelming, and it feels like your options are to either sink down and lose yourself in being upset and angry or to laugh about it. People think I'm nuts when things are going wrong at work.
Keith I feel like I also understand, because my brother is the same when things are bad. He kind of shuts down and doesn't let loose a ton of anger or sadness, he just gets focused and tries not to let out an inappropriate reaction, which results in a bit of a "blank" look.
I think you’re exactly right. Zach laughed because sometimes if you don’t you’ll cry and whatever situation that makes it so Ned is still in the videos, that’s how Zach dealt with it and Eugene is just angry.
Yep. There is irony in his laugh. I do that all the time, myself. There is nothing that can be done about it and he knows it. Eugene is s5ill pissed. He knows that there is nothing they can do about it.
I do the same :)
@@ChristinaVVM I think you hit the nail right on the head. There's a ton of tears just waiting, so *so close* to the surface, like they're pounding at the door. And Zach's muffled laugh, that's like a doorman, a guard keeping them contained.
Keith looks like he's in a detached "management-mode"; gonna hold it together while it's happening, process it afterwards.
And Eugene, wow, he is silently making his statement with every gesture, and he is determined to communicate his thoughts unequivocally and unmistakably.
The first time I watched this I saw Eugene as being pissed. The second time, I saw it more as grief and sadness. Eugene is not comfortable with showing his vulnerabilities, so it comes off as more aggressive.
I’m with you. There is definitely grief there.
If you look at his eyes closely they’re red
I 100% get anger from feeling betrayed.
I'd also be willing to bet abandonment issues play into it.
There's a very fine line between hurt and anger. Sometimes it's almost impossible to differentiate between the two, especially if it's happening to you.
Ughh, my mom does this.
The angry stare is supposed to push the other emotions back down, hype you up for a fight and not show how vulnerable you are.
Eugene is like: Attack is the best Defense.
Wow! That was an awesome read on everybody. The part when Eugene talked about the internet being harder on women and to have kindness, that was so needed. I don't even follow these guys (my teens do and they were completely shocked), yet I've seen the comments about how "the employee is a home wrecker" and "the wife must not be giving Ned something", and nothing about the guy himself. So Eugene standing up for the women is awesome!
And Eugene isn't the only one pissed! Those emotional tremors you hear from Zach (I'm not 100% sure that was the middle guys name), that's exactly how I sound when I'm pissed. Like I'm going to burst into tears. But it's because I'm so angry it overwhelms me. I felt it as soon as his voice wavered.
This entire thing is a prime example of how one person's actions can set off an avalanche that takes everyone out around them.
If it makes you feel any better, people are absolutely tearing Ned to shreds online (as they should).
@@TiliaCordata Yeah definitely. A lot of podcasts are talking about it.
I'm sorry but you clearly are looking at very specific comments. I have never seen a single comment blaming Ariel for anything. I have seem much more hate and disgust for Ned, with a few comments made about the employee because she was also engaged and "friends" with Ariel. Regardless of everything else, she was fully aware of what she was doing and should not be completely removed from fault.
I think they were extending grace to the employee largely for legal reasons (I.e. avoid being sued by her). 1. Because Ned was her superior, power imbalance potentially at play ( think potential #MeToo); 2. Avoiding libelling someone who (I think, not sure) hasn't publicly admitted guilt, unlike Ned. Again, to protect their company. They can't be seen to blame her.
It's a bit ingenious of the analyst to say he doesn't know what its about. Women DO generally get a lot more negativity online than men; that some people have actually tried to blame Ned's wife for his cheating is abhorrent. Also I understand a lot of people have been stalking employees and ex-employees online since the story broke (source: Try Guys podcast). Be kinder, people!
This is a stretch. If theres someone blaming ariel they're literally one in a million and most likely not even a fan. Also yes alex is a bad person as well. Not as bad as ned but still awful.
I think that Zach's laughter is at the irony of like "Yup, contractually we need to keep him in those videos, so it's gonna be weird..." It's a mirthless chuckle.
Yes definitely. I very much felt that it was the irony as well he was laughing at
Eugene is my guy. The way he’s not hiding his anger, which I don’t doubt stems from deep disappointment, is just great.
He loves ariel. Of course he is mad.
Same page
Some compared his outfit in that video with Diana's "revenge dress" 😂
Eugene seems great. I love how he asked for kindness toward women.
I love that he's protective over Ariel. I am not a fan of him protecting "the employee"
I love how you give credit to all the researchers and their studies! It makes the whole behavioral arts feel more like a community and a passion we have together. Thank you for always explaining things so clearly and nuanced!
I think Keith smiles when Eugene says, “THIS…” because Eugene seems to be omitting a curse that he probably used in rehearsal. Maybe Keith is waiting to see if he really says it, and is momentarily taken out of the subject matter and back to his comfort zone of humor and camaraderie.
Yes I think this too, probably an inside or previous joke.
My immediately thought is that they were reading off a teleprompter, and the teleprompter didn't scroll properly for a second, which would've made Keith have a moment of laughter that he had to suppress.
Kieth's weird facial expression is just his way of lifting his glasses without having to touch it.
Yeah, as someone who wears glasses, I do this, and I'd almost equate that behaviorally to a grooming behavior.
Totally! You can see his cheeks lift his glasses! I do this all the time.
I do this constantly hahaha
Yeah I do this a lot. Especially if I'm busy doing other things.
My first thought was it was him trying not to sneeze but the glasses thing makes sense too
At the beginning when Keith was shaking no and looking away, I do think it's disbelief but I thought he was looking down remembering the moment when they found out and he is in his thoughts as he looks away reliving it.
Yes!..I don't think many folk will7 have got that one,associating Keith's BL with remembering the moment that they found out..I thought that too also but think you nailed that one even more!..v good 👊💯👏
I wear glasses most of the time and I know that I do the weird face scrunch to push my glasses up all the time, even when I'm not wearing glasses. I became very aware of it once I started being in Zoom meetings and looking at my own face. So I could see Keith doing the face scrunch before speaking as a grooming gesture, like okay I'm getting ready to speak and I don't want my glasses to distract me or I want to make sure I look more presentable.
I agree (I wear glasses myself), and along with that, actors on camera generally try to avoid touching their face. So if he needs to adjust his glasses, he will likely try to do so without touching them.
i wear glasses also. Could see this as a gesture that Keith would work very hard at not doing but perhaps during the stress of the situation, the gesture came out.
Exactly my thoughts too!
@@dianayount2122 Keith does this all the time, especially in his Eat The Menu videos when he can’t touch his glasses because his hands are greasy
I'm so glad you did this analysis! Here is my two cent: I think smiles/laughter on Zach's side is probably incredulous about all the wasted work and how awkward it'll be going foward. When Eugene shakes his head while Zach chuckled it's same thing but angry. Like "I can't believe that you put us through this!" They prepare a lot of work in advance, they have sponsors and engagements with providers that they have to respect. As for Keith weird face crunch could it be that he is raising his glasses without touching them? I admit, the timing of it is weird... all and all, i appreciate their video.
For me the grimace that Keith made was from Eugene's intense emotions in that moment. I think Eugene wanted to say more. I'm wondering how many tries it took to get *this* clip out. So I think that might have been Keith pausing, in a try to look okay but grimace way, to listen and see if they could carry the set through?
@msbeenice2 I totally agree
@@artemis-caine I totally agree with this. Keith and Eugene are very close. I think it was discomfort at his friend struggling and it showing so much in that moment. Keith made that same face multiple times in the handcuff video when they all were in the bathroom and he made a comment about going to the bathroom handcuffed to the other guys making him very uncomfortable. I think this face was him being uncomfortable, and struggling with not showing it to much. Trying to stay comedic.
Yeah, I think the laugh is kind of a ‘fml’ moment. Like, exasperation at the dumpster fire this has created
Yes!
Brilliant analysis and stunningly unbiased. Loved this one, Spidey. ❤
Thanks so much! Means a lot ❤️.
You guys need to get off your a$$es and make a video together !! Lol love you both so much
@@vianeyboruel504 we have 2 on my channel and one on his 😊. But yes, more shall happen… eventually
@@TheBehavioralArts yess I saw them jejeje but yes more please!!!...but I only saw 1 on yours...I'ma have to go deep dive and find the second one jeje
yes! good explanations and speed.
Eugene is not just talking to us, he's pretty much talking to Ned there. Also he always had a harder time opening up to the guys and i think he feels utterly betrayed now.
I took Zach laughing and Eugene shaking his head “no” as their shared responses to the videos coming out but showing it differently based on their personalities: both showing disapproval with Zach laughing as in “this is bad timing/oh man” and Eugene as “why do we have to put them out…this sucks”.
Yeah, I think it’s the same reaction in different ways: Zack’s helpless laugh at how ridiculous it is and Eugene in disbelief.
Yeah, individual demonstrations of shared feelings. I can imagine them both thinking about those upcoming videos. And like maybe Zach is realizing he had been anticipating the airing of one because he knew it was outstanding content, and now he feels foolish. And Eugene may be thinking - and probably not for the first time - something like "will this never *END?* " accompanied by a fresh wave of despair.
I love that you let people know that you reached out to other experts in behavior and "debated" together. Shows an open mind and growth mindset. Very nice.
Yes, as well as give some credits to other experts' input too. :)
I know what Keith is doing with that weird smile because I used to do it when I wore big glasses. It's a grooming gesture to look good just before he talks. His glasses are gliding down a little and he brings them up again with his cheekbones!! If you look at the glasses you will notice that they are a little bit higher after he does that. As usual, great insight! Love your videos!
💯 agree with this
I also wear glasses and do the same thing. I honestly didn't notice him do it until you pointed it out.
100%! My glasses fixing gesture is a little different, but I totally recognized it as one.
Eugene:Looks pissed, zack:looks sad and betrayed, keith looks mad and sad....I don't blame them. Ned is a douche for what he did without thinking about the repercussions to the entire crew much less his poor wife and family.
what did he do to his crew???
@@Be1smaht the whole video explains it...
@@Be1smaht they have 20+ employees, besides the girl who he was in the affair with. It put all of their lively hoods in jeopardy. If the Try Guys go down from this, they all lose. People in affairs never think about the repercussions on others.
One thing no one is discussing is Eugene saying he himself had an intention to leave try guys so he could pursue his own career further.. but he wanted to make sure everyone was financially sorted before he did. Logically now he has to pivot that much harder to make that work. Don't give a perfectionist more work 😂
First impression: I’ve watched their video so many times and I find it so refreshing because they are so genuine. They have control of their emotions, however they are still allowing themselves to react is genuinely as possible. Zack looks like he is on the verge of tears but is desperately trying to find some humor just to get by. Keith looks like he’s just done with the whole situation, and would rather walk away and not have to deal with it again, but Eugene is probably how I would look if I was in that situation, I related the most to him, and he is certainly hurt and ready to break a nose if he could.
I think one reason why they felt like they couldn't continue with Ned is that him being "the wife guy" was such a big thing. In any further videos everytime he mentions his wife, people would remember. If they get divorced people would know. If he wouldn't talk about her anymore, it would also be glaringly obvious. One apology video and moving on simply isn't possible if you build your brand on how much you love your wife.
Why are there people who think this was anything except protecting the rest of them from Liability? Yes, they are pissed off because he is their friend and betrayed because Alex can literally own the company if she feels malicious. Ned could have been rebranded as the Dad guy with a carefully worded statement, instead he is the idiot guy for boinking a subordinate.
I agree 100%.
The other reason is that he cheating with an employee at his company. It makes the situation worse
@@zineb6598 Absolutely!
@@exskoozme 100%! Firing someone who engages in a romantic relationship with a direct report is VERY normal and common because it’s a liability nightmare.
Really great video. Lots of insights. Most noteably, I think, is that a part of your analysis supports a common theory. At 25:35, when Eugene long pauses after "This.", lots of people, myself included, think that that was because he had to wait for the teleprompter (or whatever they were was reading off of) to scroll to the next line. This could be somewhat humorous. So your analysis at 31:58 that Keith's weird facial expression was a reaction to something making him laugh lines up perfectly. It makes total sense!
Ned’s wife is also an employee of the company and they’ve all worked with her for a long time, so I think that might add clarity to some the nuance that’s going on. I think they feel protective of Ariel on top of everything else.
Yes I’m very confused about this entire thing. I’ve never heard of these guys before and spent the whole video trying to figure out why the other guy was fired.
I get he was cheating on his wife but even though I despise infidelity and it’s wrong that’s between him and his wife. It’s not something any smart company would get involved in, it’s his personal business.
I could understand possible fear of a sexual harassment issue but it’s obviously a consensual relationship so that’s not a real danger.
What he did was wrong but unless it interfered with his job performance (again no idea if it did, I don’t know these people) getting involved is walking into an absolute minefield.
@@whiteglovewatches9908 The reason Ned was removed is because the relationship was with a subordinate. He is one of the bosses and the woman is not. There's a power imbalance there and, even if it was consensual, the woman could claim she was coerced/felt she couldn't say no without losing her job and sue the company (and likely win). It's a huge no-no for a manager to date someone they oversee. It's a giant mess that Ned created that threatened to destroy the entire company. The issue isn't that he cheated, it's who he cheated with. If Ned cheated with some random person it would tarnish their wholesome image but, it likely could have been handled differently. Since Ned chose to date an employee, the rest of the guys had to call in lawyers and an HR company to help them navigate this so they had the best chance of not losing everything. I hope that helps clear it up a bit. 🙂
Eugene's manner of speaking reveals a special kind of rage of someone who has a personal connection to the wrong that has been done. Others in the comments say he's the only one from divorced parents so it makes me wonder if his mother was cheated on. He seems incredibly hurt and angry in a very personal way.
With Keith, I wonder if he's an older sibling... I'm the oldest and I've made that face when my unbearable pain/anger/discomfort leaks out when I'm trying to put on a neutral or normal front during something awful. Possibly glasses adjustment but with it being right before he has to discuss something uncomfortable it makes me think theres a little more to it.
His dad did cheat on his mom, and their (he and his dad) relationship was really damaged from it.
I love the Try Guys and have followed them since they were at Buzzfeed. They've worked SO hard on their channel and brand, and also all have personal endeavours that they've no doubt had to put on hold and may also be at risk now this has happened. Eugene is very close to Ariel, and I think he's extremely angry that Ned has done this to her.
When Keith did his first 'disgust' face, I thought that he was uncomfortable at Eugene's obvious barely repressed anger, so it's good to hear another opinion on it.
Eugene: Anger and Betrayal (Also Eugene is the most private and is selective about who he allows into his life)
Zach: Sadness and Lost
Keith: Disappointment (I do notice he leans into Zach more with his arm around Zach as well, so he's trying to be supportive while processing everything)
You should watch their podcast where Keith and Zack go into more detail. I don't know if they're hiding more information, as you questioned near the end, but it does seem that there is a lot they can't say due to legal restraints. Overall, I think the remaining Try Guys seem very genuine and are taking the right steps in a very murky and ugly situation.
When I first heard Keith talk, i thought he was hiding something lol first impression
Around 38:00 when you’re talking about Zach seeming to have the hardest time with the decision, I think the reason Zach is expressing stress was because he was the main person who was having to handle all of the legal aspects & talking with lawyers every day. On their podcast he talks about how stressful & exhausting that was for him & it seems like all of those feelings are coming up when talking about making the decision to let Ned go.
Oh, that would double-suck!
I've occasionally been in situations that were emotionally troubling to me - downright devastating sometimes - but it was my job to deal with the aftermath. Representing the company, gotta be professional; signing legal forms, verifying paperwork, giving endless interviews and official statements.
Oh man, that can *seriously* break a person! I hope he made it through intact and is okay.
My initial thoughts from the clip line up with what most fans are saying. Eugene is angry, Zach is trying not to cry, and Keith looks exhausted.
Edit for further responses-
Zach shrug, probably a mix. Mostly doesn't want to go through everything, probably also admitting there's no way to go through "everything" but for simplification purposes, go with it.
Keith breaking eye contact, I think he's ashamed with himself for not seeing clues. I think they're sincere that they didn't know but I think at least two of them are feeling some guilt. (I say at least two because it's hard to read anything other than anger from Eugene.) I think the "no" is disapproval of Ned's action/disappointment in Ned, and again, shame.
Eugene headshake while Keith is talking, agreed, show of disapproval (of Ned.)
"Aggressively pissed-off" made me laugh. Bang on!
Excellent insight into WHY he's mad. He has had to fight for his identity and this does potentially cast doubt. It's personal for all of them because this is their company, their friend, their employees, but the other two probably aren't worried about what the fans will think of them as individuals in the same way Eugene is.
I agree Zach ultimately agrees with the decision they all made but probably struggled most with the moral decision making because yes, that's his friend. He doesn't want to hurt or lose anybody and he's still battling with the inner conflict of this was the right decision but it sucks.
I took Zach's little laugh at the branded videos part as an acknowledgement that it's awkward that they're committed to branded content at this awkward time. I agree Eugene's again disappointed in all the ways this impacted what they've done and possibly was thinking Zach's laugh wasn't appropriate.
I think Eugene's being protective of the women involved mostly for Ariel's sake and also a little because no matter what Alex's consent level was, there's an unbalanced power dynamic there in Ned's favour. It's possible Alex is claiming it wasn't consentual. Knowing all the little things fans have nitpicked and brought out from old podcasts, it sounds like Alex has a history of being a party girl I wonder if Eugene sees vulnerability there. I think Eugene feels MORE protective of Ariel and angry about that relationship breaking because of the kids involved and the fact that he's a child of divorce. He also might be urging for everyone to go easy on Alex because Alex's fiance did immediately break off the engagement, so no matter her fault level, she has also lost something major.
To respond to the cutting off Ned's income: 1. I'm sure he's still entitled to some amount of money, between residuals and severance, etc. Possibly bought out as owner by contract. But also, Ariel (Ned's wife) is still an employee of the company at this time, so they haven't left a family with small kids without an income.
Yeah you can really feel that Zac is really hurt by it. And Eugene is really pissed
Agree.
Same here! Eugene especially looks really angry and disappointed
...and Keith might have already known sthing....pure speculation, bit it popped into my head when I saw his stance in this vid
Yes to all of this.
Also, Ned is likely to be the least financially hurt by his separation from the company. Not just because he'll likely get some form of buyout from the other three Try Guys (adding insult to injury), but also because he was already wealthy going back to their Buzzfeed days.
Ned came from a well-off family, went to Yale, then worked in finance. That dude's the epitome of the saying, "he was born on third base & thinks he hit a triple." He wasn't just an owner & manager - he was the Try Guys' head of HR! Being removed from the company isn't a punishment per se; rather, it's a legitimate consequence of his actions.
This was the rare case where I'd seen the video in question before yours! To me Zach just seems absolutely devastated, betrayed, and heartbroken. Keith, I think is upset, but what's done is done and he's more worried about the employees and the welfare of the company they built together.
Eugene... Eugene is just out for blood. 😂He would be the best friend to have if someone ever hurt you! I don't think it's just about Ned endangering the company, either. I think he's restraining himself as best he can, but he's absolutely disgusted and enraged on a very personal level, and very much for Ariel's sake/by Ned harming *her.*
I so agree about Eugene. I'm not super familiar but other comments have said he's a child of Divorce so I wonder if his mother was cheated on. He really has a protective anger feeling about him.
I've watched The Try Guys for years, and it's always been evident that Keith is a genuine, forthright, good guy. He's not a liar. When he said they had no idea what was going on and were just as taken by surprise as fans, I knew immediately that his body language was conveying something other than deception. He's embarrassed and disappointed in himself, not only for not picking up on signs that something was amiss but for misjudging someone he's worked with day in and day out for years. He feels like people are probably judging him for not knowing what's been going on right under his nose, and that makes him feel ashamed.
I think Keith had suspicions... He seems like he's grilling ned, e.g. this looks like a guy cheats on your wife type of salad. But I don't think he found anything conclusive so he's disappointed in himself.
@@Umeshukitsune he likely thought anything that appeared suspicious was just his imagination or not as it appeared because it was Ned, after all, wife guy. I've been in that position, finding out a close friend was doing horrible things and wondering if people thought I knew or if they suspected me as well. It really messed with my head and made me feel embarrassed and like an idiot for a long time.
I feel Zach’s laughter, after it was explained there will be branded videos showing up in a few weeks, is him reacting to the fact they’ve taken the actions they have: firing, cutting ties, speaking out, but then still having to show new videos that will make it seem they’re negating everything they’ve just done. He’s reacting, thinking about how ridiculous they will seem showing new videos, though filmed pre-scandal, and how absurd it will appear in light of their current actions and words. It’s a no win situation and he’s realising it.
This 100%
44:50 - When this leaked and was gaining traction, a lot of people on the internet were attacking both Ned and the female employee he had an affair with. Most likely, the Try Guys talked with their lawyers/PR/HR team and it was recommended to let the public know NOT to blame/attack the employee since Ned was technically her boss. They also included Ariel (when they said "family members") so that the public doesn't go harassing Ariel about this whole debacle.
This is understandable but also kind of wild. Alex is just as guilty as ned is. Why are there no consequences for her? She gets to keep her job (legalese I know. I get it) and the guys are publicly defending her/asking for mercy where she’s concerned. People aren’t allowed to express their disgust in her behavior but are for ned? 🤔🤨
Agreed. I think there is always a huge danger of the woman being labeled “a home wrecker” and blamed for “seducing a loving husband from his family.” In this scenario, Ned had the authoritative power as her boss, and apparently has the tendency to flirt and push boundaries. So the “don’t go after the women” bit is most likely trying to get ahead of that nonsense.
@@kourtnie3609 there’s a power dynamic issue at play here though. He had a responsibility to keep things professional- not just for monogamy’s sake- but because it exposes the company to potential legal repercussions. If Alex kept her job, it’s because her actions didn’t jeopardize the company. Ned’s did.
@@jennyleona5703 that’s kind of a good point. If ned was the one who pursued her then I guess she would be entitled to a little more grace than he would be. But at the same time it takes 2 to tango. It feels to me like the guys are trying to erase her part of the scandal/pull her out of the narrative, which doesn’t seem fair.
@@kourtnie3609 no, I don’t think they are trying to erase her part. He was her BOSS. HE had the power, and he abused that power. It’s also quite possible - likely even - that they know more than we do about exactly what happened, when, and why. We know very little, actually. Does she also have a family? What kind of support system does she have? Are there racial and/or age overtones as well? Did he tell her some story, like he was gonna leave his wife? Did she express remorse and he didn’t? Did she think they had an open relationship? I certainly don’t know any of this (though others might.) I do know that women, on the whole, catch FAR more disapproval than men for doing the exact same things. I find it refreshing, actually, that these guys are bothering to consider these power and gender dynamics, and NOT automatically trying to excuse his behavior and throw her under the bus. That happens WAY too often.
This situation has to just completely suck for everyone involved. I hope they are able to recover and move beyond all this. I’ve enjoyed their work, what I’ve seen of it. Hopefully everyone, especially the wife and the employee, are able to find some healing and peace.
As someone who struggles with trauma based dissociation, I noticed Eugene’s anger, but I also noticed a bit of dissociation and zoning out, which makes sense due to the intense shock and betrayal he must be feeling along with his childhood traumas due to being a child of divorce resurfacing.
I noticed this as well. I dissociate in a very very similar way. I saw that immediately
You're right!
I noticed bits of flat affect with him but attributed it to a deliberately-neutral masking. Watching again I saw yes it's similar to my own "going away for a second" face. Microexpression, or something like autonomic...something? I can't really put it into words.
I've wanted this video from you since their video came out! Love it already! Keep it up Spidey!
I've been wondering if Keith's headshake and looking away wasn't a disappointment in himself. I think (just like any friend) that he might have seen the signs but that he ignored it because he didn't want to believe it.
For the first impression part, I immediately thought Keith was hiding something
I feel very strongly he did see alot of signs from a long time ago.. watching the lie detector episode from this point is very enlightening.
I have to say, I literally did not know who these guys were. I still don't to be fair yet still their video really shook me. I DON'T have any attachment to these guys or the poor wife. But this video has to be genuine.
The four of them and their partners are absolutely a chosen family. Due to how interconnected their lives are, it would be complicated and devastating regardless. Adding on the legal strain of a power imbalance that could threaten the livelihoods of their families and the families of ALL their employees is just overwhelming.
Thank you for sharing your point of view as an outsider to the Try Guys. I like to think I would have come to the same conclusion.
I didn't know who they were as well, and I agree 100% with what you said.
Me too. Never heard of them....
It feels like these three are representing a whole. One gives off anger vibes, one gives off hurt vibes and the other gives of "deep breath because we've got to be professional and deliver this info - this is my job. I'll cry and punch a cabinet later" vibes. I imagine all three feel all of those things but each is representing one emotion very well.
I could see that.
I've been in work situations where we'd do something similar. Delegating the broad emotional reactions by unspoken, almost unconscious agreement, each person taking responsibility for a single aspect of the group's collective turmoil.
It'd be like "you hold all our simmering anger, you get to take the high road of tolerant disapproval, and I'll lament the choices that brought us here." Then after it's all over we'd get together to release and share our designated burdens, usually over beers & sometimes weed (since it became legal here).
I don't know these guys. You explaining their backgrounds and positions on their show explains alot. My first reaction was how they were sitting on the couch. The first man was braced and almost distancing himself from the other two. At first I thought he was separating himself from the other two men. But no. He is holding himself back because he is beyond angry. The man in the middle is genuinely distraught. Plain and simple in grief mode. The 3rd man has his arm over the back of the couch one arm hug over the guy in the middle. And really the entire group. My heart hurts for all 3. They are struggling with their pain. That is my arm chair analysis.
Spidey, I really enjoy your channel. Great job.
I watches this video when it first came out. I think it was unfair that the fans were pressuring them for a statement so soon. Whenever anyone is going through legal issues, they deserve the privacy to deal everything before going public.
Eugene's posture was something that really stood out for me. Usually when someone is sitting with their legs crossed like that, it comes off as comfortable. But with him, it's like he is closing himself off or put distance between his real emotions and what he is meant to say. His anger also made me wonder if he himself has ever been cheated on. Maybe that could be a reason why he has so much anger for Ned.
I haven't watched a lot of their work but Keith and Zac usually seem like fun and goofy guys. It was a very different feel than what they are usually like.
My husband makes a similar expression as Keith when he is adjusting his glasses. He constantly adjusts his glasses without touching them. I thought maybe he was grooming preparing to speak.
Before this video, I had no knowledge of The Try Guys!
This was a fascinating and riveting analysis and compelled me to look up The Try Guys and even subscribe to them! 😁
Thank you for this awesome analysis and greetings from Australia 🇦🇺. 💕
I was waiting for this reaction video!!!! Thank you Spidey! I just love your reactions and your channel has become my go-to in behavior analysis. More videos please! 🙂
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I just want to say that I have been waiting for this video since the news started circulating and you do not disappoint 🙏🏼
I didn't know who these guys were until the scandal happened, and Eugene is giving the resting ***** face of anger, disappointment, bitterness, annoyance, he shook his head no at a point and his leg was doing the shake of anxiety that a person might do in a tense situation, clear sadness with Zac with the sad brows, voice quivering, mouth clenched towards frowning, and Keith kinda playing the neutral public relations guide of trying to explain the situation while putting on a professional yet empathetic tone
A theory on the Keith “smile”- this is something I do at times, myself. Because of the shape of my face, when I scrunch my face like that, it pushes my glasses up without me having to reach up. He may be trying not to bring his hands up, so he’s adjusting his glasses another way.
True, i often do that too
I don't know them. I can hardly pay attention to the other two guys because my eyes go to the guy in black, I almost feel threatened, he clenches his fist and looks angrily at the camera and his partners, they seem nervous but he looks really really angry! Love your videos Spidey!
Eugene loves ariel. So much. That's why.
I think cause he was a close friend with the wife - so kind of talking the betrayal as his own and that makes him feel enraged as it’s kind of personal to him
Oh, he definitely was angry. Not only is he close to Ariel, but his parents also went through a divorce because of similar circumstances. He knows how hard the kids will have it if their parents' relationship dissolves. He was probably mostly angry on the family's behalf.
Oh, he definitely was angry. Not only is he close to Ariel, but his parents also went through a divorce because of similar circumstances. He knows how hard the kids will have it if their parents' relationship dissolves. He was probably mostly angry on the family's behalf.
I LOVED Eugene's response, it doesn't make me feel scared or threatened, I find that kind of clear moral compass very comforting, and a great leadership quality. It's non-compromising. It's discerning, sharp, clear, firm and boundaried! I find the seeming moral-mush of the other two, to be unnerving, spaghetti- noodle- spinlessness. I'd much rather have Eugene in my corner if I was the cheated on wife than the others who snicker, squirm, and feel bad for the cheater.
So glad you did this video!
It would be so interestingto see your anysis of the (video) podcast where they talk about it - its the Trypod episode 181"ok, let's talk about it." It's just Keith, Zach and their podcast producer Miles. It's a much more casual conversation and I'm curious what you'd get from it!
This video was amazing! I feel like I learned so much, and love that you mentioned the articles as well!. I watched the original video when it came out and hoped you would post this analysis!
38:56 it appears to me that Eugene stops being super pissed for a bit and is remembering good things/sad, catches himself, and focuses on being pissed again. Situations like this are like jumping into a blender with all the emotions. I think when Zack is laughing, is more of a " I can't believe what a nightmare this is", laugh or you'll cry situation. I don't think any smile or chuckle here is from fond memory. I agree that there is a lot more to the story. Thanks Spidey!
In Italy shoulder shrugging is commonly seen as "I don't care" kind of attitude. When kids do that to parents or teachers they're in big troubles so we learn from a young age not to shrug.
My son is in the spectrum and he struggles with social cues. To him shrugging could mean "I don't know" or "I'm sorry I can't help you with that" or many other things.
I remember a specific episode from before he was diagnosed. He was 12 or 13 and I was talking to his teacher. She was concerned about his overall behaviour even though he's always been very quiet and well behaved. Basically she was telling me that few of her colleagues notice his dismissive behavior towards them, when in fact it was not at all the case.
This was an incredible video to watch! I also think it's interesting who looks at who at what time. For example a couple of times Zach looks over at Keith when he's looking for support or Eugine when he's trying to show support for what he's saying. However, the others don't really do that except when they're wrapping up at the end and maybe are not as focused on remembering the script. I think it shows their relationship with each other as a unit and also that Zach is seeking more reassurance from the strength or protection from the other guys.
This is an amazing body language video. All three display a different intense emotion. The guy in the black shirt is pissed. The guy in the middle is hurt and in grief over it and the last one is the most neutral and level headed. Not. Happy about the situation that happened but doesnt seem that upset to loose a friend where as the other too are more upset over loosing a friend
I've watched the Try Guys for a long while, and the guy on the right (Keith) has a tendency to act quiet and calm when he's mad or disappointed. Usually, he's a very loud, jolly fellow who enjoys smiling. I think his calmness here is an indicator that he was, in fact, extremely disappointed in Ned.
@@anonview oh i have no doubt he was very disappointed in the guy. I am just saying he comes across that way. Sometimes some people hold no illusions that they have that one friend who is foolish and could possibly screw things up. You dont know when nor how but you see it coming to bite them eventually. When it does happen yeah your mad but it like you have had enough and just cant care anymore about them.
This whole situation is so heartbreaking. I love the Try Guys, and I’m so sad for them and Ariel.
I love what Eugene said about the Internet being harder on women. I feel they are genuine.
Yes! This is what impressed me most about their video. I hadn't been subscribed to their channel, but that statement alone is enough to get me to subscribe.
Yes
Coping Mechanisms! Eugene is anger, Zack is pouring his heart out and Keith is detachment.
Hi Spidey, great clips so far with a lot of things te read.
Here is my take.
Movements:
Left Gentleman
-Inward finger movement
-a lot of arm shakes (is this a sort of pacifying?)
-inward lip licking
-lip compressions
-eyebrow flash
-nose touch
Middle Gentleman:
-Higher blinkrates (spikes)
-Rubbing hands (is this pacifying?)
-Handmovements doesn't feel in sync
-eye blocking
-lip compression
-lip upward, contempt
-praying pacifying
-lip lick
-look away and shows contempt during sponsor
-during the privacy part he's both pacifying, liplicking and has lip compression.
Right guy:
-face touch
-lip conpression
-after the long "this" lip goes up and nose opens showing angre
-eye block
-after talking about removal, lip compression.
Wordings:
Right: engaging public romantic behavior. "Psychological distancing"
Left: "this" and a long break. "Also distancing.
Right: when he talks about branging video's left shakes his head and the middle one eye flutters, had a lip compression and looks away (down) eye blocking.
Left: "stuff like this" one again distancing.
Left: a lot harder towards, eyebrow flash seeking aproval.
Te overal feeling I get from this video is that the discission is mostly made by the guy on the right, or at least he shows a lot less empathy towards the situation. Also he talks about the branded video's, like thats of any importants besides the money they recieve for this.
The middle one and the one on the left look very down, its a pretty depressed setting and I think there is a lot of disareement between them.
That was interesting, lots of fascinating body language cues in this one. I’ve never heard of the Try Guys but my overall impression is that they can’t believe the cheating guy has done so much damage to so many people, in particular their brand and their friendship with his selfish behaviour. Plus, they know that the damage might very likely be irreversible.
It only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch. They're truly affected by this huge disruption in their lives. I'd be angry too. Thoughtless and selfish, unrestrained behavior hurts more than just YOU!!
I think Eugene's urge for people to be kind to the girlfriend is a deliberate statement designed to protect the company. She was a subordinate to Ned and he was ultimately in a position of power and a partner. He is trying to deflect a lawsuit that could potentially come from her as an employee. Zach just breaks my heart and Keith reminds me of a disapproving uncle.
I don't think there's an undertone to his message with being kind towards women. I've noticed that whenever there is a cheating story and the guy cheats on his partner with another woman, everyone tends to go crazy over the affair partner, calling her names, trying to doxx her, sending death threats. So perhaps this employee already started receiving a lot of hate. It's the idea that she broke a home and she's the one to blame because she knew he's married....but then the guy also knew he's married and he still chose to stick his D where it shouldn't be....
I was hoping you would do this one. There was so much visual body language and even when they spoke. Especially Eugene.
Another one to look at is the video podcast with Keith and Zach that came out a day or two later.
Every time Spidey talks about Paul Ekman I picture Tim Roth in my head😂
Me too! That’s why I put his picture up so I’ll remember it’s not actually Tim Roth 😂
@@TheBehavioralArts 😂😂😂 me too it drives me crazy!!!
I watch (& usually enjoy) The Try Guys videos. Soon as I saw *this* one I immediately thought what a field day some of my other favourite TH-cam channels would have with it. The level of the guys’ nonverbal communication was insane! Spidey you, and Logan from Observe, did not disappoint. Eugene especially had a hard time controlling his nonverbal cues. Can’t blame him. Zach just looks and sounds shattered.
i saw eugene and i was SO heartbroken. like everyone was talking abt ‘ooh, petty queen’ ‘oh to be a fly on the wall when him and becky (keith’s wife) gave ned a pieces of their mind’ and ‘oh look how angry he is! a stare that could kill a man!’ and yes that but like. the tension in his body and voice and the tear at the end and the pauses he took in odd places when he was speaking just made me feel like he was two seconds away from breaking the fuck down, and that he had to be angry or he would just kinda collapse. i related like, a little too hard lmao. thank you for your videos! i really appreciate your wisdom and intelligence and insight and respect for all involved, especially when dealing with controversial topics.
Listening to the video the first time, I felt bad. Even if I didn't know the story or these people...
The one on the left looked angry. The one in the middle seemed very sad to me. And after the video, I felt even worse....They touched me. And I'm "happy" to know now,after listening to your analyses,that my feelings probably come from the fact that they are sincere....
‘All you can eat body language buffet’ 😂
Yes!!
I'll put money on that 'strange' expression from Keith being his way of shifting his glasses back up without using his hands.
I remember doing something VERY similar when wearing my sunglasses, lol....(particularly if my hands are full)
Never heard of these guys but never miss a Spidey upload!🤗❤
27:21 "aggressively pissed off" couldn't have describes Eugene's mood better
45:51 Zach once told Ned that he looked up to his marriage as the ideal. I think it's in the lie detector video. It seems he really looked up to Ned so that would account for how hard he/they are taking all of this. Also a key component of their brand is authenticity. They try stuff and we trust them to be honest about their experience. it might be considered a major blow to their brand... They may be protecting that as well...
Thank you for covering this. As always you didn’t disappoint!
I was so sad to see them so upset. I actually wanted to cry. I’ve seen them for years and seen how their friendship and business grow.
It made me sad to see how hurt they were. How betrayed and angry they were.
Thanks for the great content, Spidey. I do not know these guys and maybe I am missing something from the story but I was surprised when asking to be kind to family and employees, Eugene mentioned employeeS involved in plural (44:36) Why plural? Wasn’t he talking about The person their friend was involved with?
Because some people have been bothering some of their employees asking them to comment on what has happened. In their podcast they asked people to leave their staff alone. I wouldn't be surprised if their family members have been asked to comment on this too.
I think the shrug was a "it's out of our control" shrug
When the video from the Try Guys came out I immediately thought of you analysing it and I‘m so happy that you did so. I was so confused by Keiths weird face movements I would‘ve asked you if you didn‘t make the video ;) So thanks a lot for all of your videos but espacially for this one :)
Thank you Spidey! I always appreciate your excellent analysis.
Really interesting thank you Spidey! I can see a lot of nervousness in all three. They are obviously going through grief as they have lost a friend and colleague. I can see anger, denial, and shock in their responses. Just a difficult and awkward situation all round.
I have to admit I had heard of the try guys before but I hadn’t ever watched them. This was a very interesting video. I always love to hear what your thoughts are on a persons body language and what they’re actually verbally saying as well. I think you’re spot on. This has just rocked their company, their brand, and decisions had to be made. In addition, Ned was also a friend. That makes everything even harder. I know what Ned did was disgusting and awful. Never should’ve happened, etc. i also think the other 3 are doing what they feel is best for their brand by letting Ned go and continuing on without him. I understand that, but I find that it’s a very harsh decision. I am in no way condoning an affair, especially with an employee 🤦♀️ where there is a power imbalance. However, taking everything he’s helped build, not to mention his livelihood, away from him is severe. I pray for all involved, especially Ned’s wife. She didn’t deserve any of this. Thank you for going over this one for us and keep on shining! ❤️🌟💫
I think Zach's (early) shrug may indicate "I'm not sure what may come out as we look into it further" or "there's a process playing out, it's out of my hands." Interesting analysis! I love this stuff.
First impressions: These three look genuinely betrayed and hurt by the actions of someone they trusted. I can't really say more to what happened behind the scenes.
At 17:00, I interpreted that shrug as a “as we go through” and he starts to think about all the things they’re going through, and they are going through so much, it’s a shrug of “I don’t even know where to start.” So like, “as we go through… I don’t know, EVERYTHING.” There’s just so much they’re going through, he doesn’t even know where to begin. So he just groups it all together as “everything.” That was my interpretation.
I believe the "weird smile" is just him trying to push his glasses up without his hands. I've been wearing glasses for almost my whole life and do exactly that when they slipped down on my nose and my hands aren't free to push them back up.
Spidey, thank you for your content. I always learn something from watching your videos.
Commenters who talk about Keith's smile being him moving his glasses, thank you, you taught me a new trick!
I think with Zach's laughing, he might be laughing at the absurdity of it. How they have these videos with Ned that they HAVE to edit and post because they have a contract with a company or brand. It would seem silly and strange (if that's what he means. I don't know if he means prerecorded videos with Ned or future videos without Ned where they have to pretend everything is okay). And Eugene kind of shaking his head may be disbelief or disagreement with the fact that they have to post the videos. He may not want to or maybe he's thinking about the comments.
Also Ned and Alex weren't just coworkers cheating on their partners. Ned was her BOSS. And even though she is a completely consenting adult, there will always be speculation on whether or not she felt pressured because Ned was her boss. I personally don't believe that she was, but there are such high emotions with boss/employee relationships that cutting Ned off was definitely the right choice.
OMG I was sooo looking forward for you to do an analysis about this Spidey. Thank youuu! I'll watch it immediately 🔥
Eugene seems pissed,
Zach seems sad,
Keith seems distant.
I WAS WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO SO MUCH!!!! Thank you Spidey!!
I would LOVE to take a class with you as the instructor. I feel like I learn so much from your videos!
Was hoping you’d do this. Watched a few body language youtube videos about it, but really wanted to hear your analysis
First impression: they are all being legitimate and honest about everything (and i have no idea who these guys are)
They definitely are. Though I shall not support them anymore until they get rid of the Maneater Alex. I love the try guys. Followed them since buzzfeed. Years I've watched these men. And I refuse to support people whom vilify ned but not Alex.
@@krisj5561 looking at their newest videos description, she has been removed. Don't know if she left by her own decision or whatnot but she does not seem to be a Try Guys employee anymore.
At 43:15 with Zach's laugh and Eugene's headshake, I think they were exactly the same emotion shown: *disbelief* . But just shown through different means that reflect their personality/thoughts at that moment. Because I can recall moments when I've also laughed out of disbelief just like Zach did, and it's heartbreaking because it's usually when I feel truly helpless when that laugh bubbles out. Eugene, as I took it, still had the fresh anger on the surface so his feels more like disbelief plus disappointment.