not to mention that it was mentioned in the trypod, keith was on tour with his band and eugene was working on other projects which effectively left zach, a chronically ill man, alone to deal with this for 2 or so weeks. ned literally put not only his company at risk, but his friends and family. zach mentioned that during that time he was stressed and was in *severe* pain.
The way the media handled this, in light of what you’ve brought up here, makes me so genuinely angry. God, i hope Zach is okay, he seems like a strong guy.
What annoys me is that people treat the woman Ned had an affair with as the victim when likely she was just as responsible for the situation as he was. She shouldn't be allowed to benefit from a lawsuit.
@@greywolf7577 shes not THE victim, but she is one of many in this situation. ned had power over her. he was her boss, he’s famous, and he’s rich. that power dynamic makes the relationship inherently inappropriate
The weird thing is “guy builds brand on his love for his wife then cheats on his wife” is a WAY funnier skit idea than “guys are mad that he put hos before bros”
i like how they so poorly understood that ned actually had everything and lost it all but portrayed him as "being free". He was at a good place in his life, he had a loving wife, happy healthy kids, a successful business, a good reputation, and him having a whole relationship with an employee ultimately put all of that at risk.
But... He is now free of a career on _youtube_ ... Don't you know that a career on youtube is the lowest of lows? (because if it isn't people will value yt as much as traditional media, and we can't risk that...) /s
@@LenaFerrari yeah, but the terms of his removal will make it somewhat difficult for him to get a job in a related field in the future. If you are fired from a job, at any interview for a new job you have to give a reason why you were fired. Even if Ned explains it in a way that makes it seem not as terrible, there is still legal record of the termination and internal review. Also, he is a well known name now specifically for this scandal (if people didn’t know of him before). Anywhere he goes, the media will follow. Sure, Ned’s job prospects aren’t zero, but they are severely impacted due to his decision. He may be “free” but he is not any better off than he was.
@Aloe Vera ned was a boss engaging in a workplace relationship with his employee. even if it was “consensual,” (which doesn’t exist when it comes to boss/employee relationships) it opens the company up to a lot of lawsuits if the relationship ends up going bad.
@Aloe Vera you must not understand. On top of the reasons Matt shows he was CHEATING on his wife as well as endangering everything he built up in the process. Subtracting literally every business level he was doing something that is immoral and harmful to his own family. Ultimately it wouldn't have been near as big a deal if he wasn't the boss in the situation though.
Because they don't want to fix the problem. They want to use the problem as their excuse to prevent small independent creators from rising and becoming an obstacle to their interests.
Matpat somehow manages to be the old guy and the young guy on the internet at the same time. In a very positive way - the bridge we didn't deserve, but needed
After the sketch aired, Becky (Keith’s wife) remembered that Ned had a friend that became a SNL writer. Dan Bulla. They both were in a comedy group called Warm Milk, and it just so happens Dan was working on the scripts for this season of SNL…and he did the script for the Try Guys skit.
When I was a kid, my dad cheated on my mom and they got divorced. That's the super short version, lol. Whenever something like this happens, it always angers me to see people make it seem like a man cheating on his wife is simply what happens, it's commonplace, it's not a big deal. That experience put my family through so much pain, my mom especially. That's why it was so refreshing for me to see how to Try Guys handled it, professionally without diminishing the harm Ned caused. They didn't sweep it under the rug or say "well that's what happens in marriages." I hope more companies and people will reflect that attitude in the future
i went through something very similar, but when i was a teen so it is very clear in my mind, and it was traumatic. i can only respect the try guys for how they handled it with the severity it deserves. it was also really infuriating to see people dismissing the guys experience when they called it traumatic. They were really close to both Ned and Ariel and with the added pressure of being in the spotlight it certainly is something that can be called traumatic. i could not have imagined going through what my family and I went through whilst also being in the spotlight in the way they did. Big props to them all around
@@etsequentia6765 the original comment wasnt talking about gender it just said it's weird when people act like spousal cheating is normal, youre the one making it about the patriarchy and gender and being triggered. Classic whataboutism
His wife has decided to stay with him for the time being. They have no right to get involved with personal drama. You need to seek help for your trauma so it doesn't could your judgment of others
It amazes me how this scandal can be so badly portrayed. The Try Guys actions were basically the perfect example of how to handle this type of situation. As soon as they were aware of the problem the worked continuously behind the scenes to solve it the correct and legal way and when it finally started to gain attention in the public domain made a video explaining the situation and explaining what they did and why before the story was twisted too much by speculation.
@@thatsn0tverycashm0ney88 they legally could and she could not. Why should she be allowed to keep her job for being a part of the affair? She knew the rules and still violated them. She is just as guilty.
@@moviemaker2011z but she can say that the employer exploited her with his job position. There would have to be unnecessary drama from there that no one wants. As matpat has said, they , the try guys, are businessman and they know the risk of whatever action they do, and ned took a big risk with the affair, he could have just said no to the affair.
@@moviemaker2011z they literally could get sued. She could pull the victim card and say she was forced to bc Ned did in fact have power over her at work.
The try guys were honest, open and frank. Completely unlike any other company that has been caught in a scandal like this. It’s telling that big corporations are trying to punch down like this
This, the transparency the Try Guys showed is what the big corporations are scared of and why they're working so hard to discredit the group. If the Try Guys set a precedent that companies should be open and honest with their consumers, the big corporations (such as SNL) are afraid consumers will latch onto that and start pushing harder for transparency from them as well.
I was kinda worried that MatPat was going to try and roast them like CinnamonToastKen did. I agree that the mainstream media are taking a very dangerous and damaging stance on this now.
@@graysonoliver2632 It is when you are the business owner and you put the business you co-own at risk of massive, potentially terminal, liability just to cheat on your wife. As Matpat said, he put the livelihoods of himself, his business partners and employees on the line. If Ned has just had some affair with a random woman who didn't work at the company it wouldn't be a scandal.
Matt missed the best part, how one of the people that wrote the SNL skit is a friend of Ned's from Yale and a lot of people believe that Ned was the one that thought up the idea to get his friend to trash the other guys to take the heat off of Ned but he forgot that he name dropped said friend on an episode of The Try Pod as Will Stephen.
I think he deliberately omitted it to instead focus on the problematic aspects of this whole situation. Yes, the fact that Ned had a friend in SNL who wrote a sketch trivializing a power imbalance relationship mixed with infidelity as 'kissed a girl and didn't tell his friends' is important (and kinda funny) in the context of the situation but even if it wasn't written by his friend, the sketch would be equally bad. And I think he wanted to keep that as the main point.
Yeh I noticed this, I think he left it out as it's an unverified accusation. I mean ..it's almost definitely true, but we can't confirm that ned was involved in anyway.
Because that's speculation and more drama, and MatPat was clearly not focusing on the drama. "a lot of people believe" doesn't make it definitely true and only adds fuel to the drama, which wasn't Mat's point at all. He focused on the actual skit, not the unproved rumors behind it.
@@Darke_Exelbirth Not to mention some higher ups at SNL are currently tying to bury an actual current sexual assault case at one of them. It's a whole system there.
It’s both disturbing and depressing that the media’s first response to a company actually taking an inappropriate employee misconduct case SERIOUSLY is to either make “bros before hos” jokes or attempt to discredit them entirely. 😤 I won’t be sorry when their entire industry dies from their negligence and spite.
@@archer9664 from what I know, workplace romance is pretty inappropriate, especially if the two of them are on completely different ranks, giving a pretty bad power dynamic
@@archer9664 It's because Ned's actions could have lead to a potential lawsuit. His affair partner could have easily said that it was non-consential and that it was SH. If she were ever let go, she could say that she was harassed and was let go out of retaliation. Also, Ned made a toxic environment where employees may have to worry about being retaliated against if they ever turn him down.
ikr? im still hurting as Ned is one of my fav Try Guy, next to Zach, then Keith and Eugene but like, at least the truth comes out. Hope the Try Guy team fair much better as time goes by.
@@queenjeski591 i know im not the one you asked, but ned WAS my favourite too (he was my fav up until about mid 2020 when i started to like keith more, for some reason lol). he was my favourite because his humour was much like mine, and i admired the way he spoke so highly of his children and wife. i am a very family oriented person, so i related to him in that sense. something about him made him stand out from the bunch to me, i cant quite put my finger on it but i was kind of drawn to him in a sense. hope that can give some perspective? :)
@@queenjeski591 oh well he's the nerd who loves soccer and hes chaotic when drunk, and just seemed like the "prim and proper" but also very extroverted frat douche and I love me some nerdy dorks and dweebs with an extroverted personality and- i know this is a hot take but- the "i love my wife" schtick just added my fascination with him and most specifically made me root for him and his family yk? Like I never really liked him specifically for that "fact." I root for all of them, but Ned and Zack just has a special place in my heart and it just hurts me to see my favorite Try Guys break up, but ig its for the best. Sorry its like an essay, i just really want to explain my feelings the best I could.
I find it even more odd that one of Ned’s friends is a writer on SNL. Seems interesting to make a piece that doesn’t include the person at fault, especially since they’re friendly with SNL crew
How much you wanna bet he’s got a friend over at the NYT as well. The Ivy Leaguers have connections. Also the way he tried to manipulate the narrative himself by calling the paparazzi was so disgraceful and showed the kind of petty scum of a person he is. Putting Ariel through that public humiliation.
Keith, Eugene, and Zach all revealed on their podcast that Ned is actually really good friends with journalists and people at places like SNL. They kind of hinted that Ned used his connections with them to make the articles you’ve mentioned, so if it seems like SNL and the Times are defending Ned, that’s because they are and their wrong take on the situation was a conscious attempt at making Ned look better
I've heard about Ned's college buddy being a writer for SNL (yes this is true, at the time that sketch was released) but i didn't know he also had journalist friends. It's absolutely not a reach to say that Ned himself had a hand in sort of rewriting the narrative surrounding his firing and what actually happened.
"kind of hinted at" isn't the best argument. like, maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, but if you don't actual facts then you'd better stay quiet. you're just as bad as the rest
@@topasu9454Lol what an L take. It is a fact that ned had a writer friend in SNL, and considering how bad that sketch was it's almost guaranteed that his friend had a hand in writing it. These guys aren't "as bad as the rest" you just sound like a ned sympathizer
@@topasu9454 well when it was brought up on the podcast earlier and they were talking with ned about his writer friends that work at snl he did name one and that one is credited for writing that particular sketch.
@@pvic6959 I wouldn't say no one, there's lots of cross-over amongst millennials. The older millennials might have some of that bitter resentment for youtubers/internet celebs, but even the older millennials will often consume both youtube and traditional TV. Hopefully it sinks in with those millenials that hate on everything that isn't their preferred youtuber.
@@pvic6959 difference is, it opens peoples minds and also makes them dislike traditional media, perhaps one of those hundreds of thousands of people reaches out to the media companies, or who knows? this probably wont reach the traditional media, but what probably will reach them is the opinions of people
snl and the new york times really thought they did something. It's disgusting to see how they're essentially protecting ned. I'm so proud of Keith, Zach, Eugene, and all the employees.
The only problem with this whole video is SNL is not a news outlet they didn't make this joke to inform people they made it to make people laugh. was it funny? No but that isn't the point the point is you can't expect SNL to give accurate descriptions of the events because they ARE NOT a news outlet
I also think part of the reason SNL made the try guys the villain instead of Ned is because Ned has friends who are writers in the show, and they didn’t want to make him look bad
They had such a chance to show that even if we are/were friends, what you did isn't okay and we are going to mock you for it. But noooo, they went this way instead.
@@brandipityha9457 it is because the person who he cheated with was a employee at the company, and that directly ties the company to the scandal. Besides I believe employee x employee romance is forbidden in the work place, it's now in the legal business
Dadpat came out in full force in this video - truly felt like he was standing in front of the whole of TH-cam as he scolded the older siblings for hurting the younger sibling.
The only reason mainstream media outlets are mad about this story is because if the Try Guys handle stuff like this responsibly then they might have to as well.
Tri guys: *being friends with Ned for 8 years, building a company together and thinking they'll be friends forever* Ned: *cheats* Tri guys: *Devastated* NY Times: They were pressured to a p p e a r distressed
What MSM is failing to point out is that, for a lot of people, their wedding vows are sacrosanct. So if someone is capable of breaking those, it stands to reason they wouldn't hesitate to do other unethical things, particularly to benefit themselves, even at the detriment of the company. But of course MSM won't point that out when a lot of the higher-ups make Ned look like a boy scout with their shenanigans.
@@c4tl4dy76 it definitely doesn't help that Ned's entire brand is centered around him being an adoring family-man who loves his wife and kids. I didn't believe any of the photos or evidence until the try guys addressed it in the couch video because I believed he wasn't capable of it. I was genuinely shocked learning this family role-model of a man who I adored as a content creator for a long time, destroy everything he had build to bang some random woman. Unfortunately this also makes it hard to watch videos with Ned in them.
This is why Matt and Steph are the teachers to new businesses. Not only a content creator and teacher but also a businessman with ethics and morals. "Old man matpatt " is an industry veteran that TH-cam and other organizations should listen to and use as references in business altogether. Thank you for the in depth news and clarification mat.
One more comment: As a woman, I am so proud of The Try Guys and the way they handled this. They could have kept quiet and pretended to know nothing about the whole thing, but they stepped up and dealt with it. It reminds me of one of my all-time favorite movie lines, “Love is love, but business is business.” (Auntie Vera, from the movie ‘Secret of My Success’).
I really appreciate how well you explained why Ned was fired. Not because he had an affair, but because he was sleeping with someone he had power over and without certain legal protections it can get really messy and end very badly for the company. Best to let him go and move on.
Ya and that's why people are making fun of it. The reality is that on a intuitive emotional level people know that it's normal to find partners among those you work with. No amount of current year finger wagging is going to change normalcy. Just like no matter of modern day disrespect for the institution of marriage is going to change that people know that betraying one commitment to their partner is abhorrent and focusing on the former over the latter is gong to get you made fun of by people at large.
@@The1Ryu The head of HR slept with an employee - the liability & potential for abuse is huge. That’s what happened. This wasn’t a case of coworkers finding romance or whatever strawman you’ve set up. The company’s other three founders/owners could have lost everything, through no fault of their own.
@@AI-dp3rd The fact that all you know how to do when you are challenged is to repeat word-for-word what an authority figure has said rather than grapple with an opposing idea is why you and people like you are called NPCs. You don't know how to think for yourself so no matter what people say to you they will get the same reply over and over again.
@@The1Ryu Nothing wrong with finding a partner among those you work with. The problem is that he was in a position of power over her. The problem was with him being in that power position its easy for her to sue on a lot of different grounds related to sexual harrasment and that would hurt the company. People aren't taking the company seriously as being an actual company that has responsibilities. If he had come forward with the relationship a long time ago, been public and had some paperwork written up with HR saying that its mutual and consensual and both parties agree to no legal actions if the relationship goes south, then it wouldn't have been an issue. And the only issue with they would have with him not being faithful to his wife has nothing to do with "the sanctity of marriage" or whatever, but purely that he built a brand around one personality and betrayed that brand
@@ylwolfy 1) you are still just repeating the NPC dialogue that Matpat programed you with. 2) If she was causing such a risk to the viability of the company then why wasn't she let go as well?
the what happened video was the first genuine "apology" type video i have ever seen. they have been far more accountable for their ex co worker than many creators have been for themselves. i wish this video was praised more and this behavior be expected and respected so that we would see more of it in the media
@@notwillinglyaloof if the relationship was consensual it's at worst sexual misconduct not harrasment. And my question was about the fact that the video is not an apology because the people that should be apologising os not even in the video.
Ned Fulmer had a year long affair while having a wife and son, and creating a second son with his wife during said affair. He was married with kids, she was engaged to a fellow coworker. Both of them ruined friendships, and their partner's lives, along with damaging the company they worked for. I'm still mad about this.
@@alittlebirdysaid from what I know the affair lasted a year, and Finn is a baby. Maybe the source i saw was wrong, thats on me. Idk anymore I moved on.
@@PaendaTube The thing is, they couldn't fire her even if they wanted to. If they fired her, it would give her a loophole to sue the guys. But it's looking like she might not even be employed there anymore since none of the Try Guys socials have any mention of her as staff.
@@PaendaTube like matpat said it's a wrongful extermination lawsuit at best. Even though she should be fired. She can easily say she was forced to by ned and easily put everyone out of a job
For real. That "sketch" could have passed itself off as a direct examination in a civil trial. "Was the affair non-consensual?" "No. He... (had) a consensual KISS!" Give me a break.
The way she said that they’re mad he had a “side-hoe” and totally trivializes cheating and marriage in general just depresses me. This is where we are, where cheating seems commonplace now.
I remember when my friend sent me the article and then talked about the SNL sketch. We were both creeped out and straight up dumbfounded. It's so weird to see something like that in mainstream media, no matter how corrupt we all know it is. It was just blatant disregard for something nearly everyone turns into a pack of rabid wolves over.
I remember when that snl episode aired and I was watching it with my family and then when I saw a skit that featured the try guys and their situation I was so excited that they could get recognition, sympathy, and even praise from a whole new demographic about the situation. Then the second the actors started talking I was immediately disappointed. I kept waiting and waiting for a comment about Ned because they were being so mean and just false about the try guys that I figured they were going to make so many jokes about what ned did but there was nothing. Also the fact that the try guys have built such a reliable reputation for not being irrational and dramatic just for snl to portray them so heavily as such is just so upsetting especially since this is the first impression of the try guys to a whole new demographic. I remember my parents making comment like “how could you watch these guys, they are so stupid to act this way about someone’s personal business” and I honestly just didn’t even try. It spread a completely false story and it honestly just made me unamused by snl and just bored with all of their skits after they did the try guys skit.
I know this comment is old and I'm just recently finding this video, but really? You didn't even try to tell them why Ned was really fired, you just let them take an unfunny skit at face value? You should know by not doing so in the hopes of helping them understand it better, you essentially prevent SNL from feeding your parents' minds with outright disinformation and slander. Unless they've shown themselves to be incredibly stubborn at times over the smallest things, you gave up on your parents way too easily.
You hit the nail on the head. The Try Guys holding themselves accountable and taking sexual misconduct seriously is a threat to more established media companies and outlets everywhere. SNL, NYT, and other organizations with decades of skeletons in their closets have to either step up and follow the new model set by the Try Guys or try to invalidate that model by making fun of them. It's a lot cheaper to do the latter.
Where was the sexual misconduct? If anything that notion is highly sexist. Constantly victimizing women refusing to entertain the idea that maybe she initiated it.
@@grunclestanwannabe367 Power dynamics. Ned was the boss. The employee was an underling. Ned held the power in having the potential to take her job away or making her life miserable if he didn’t get his way. She did not have that power. This is the same for all companies - it’s an ethical and moral issue.
@@grunclestanwannabe367 Holding men accountable is not a sexist notion and it’s sexual misconduct because Ned had an extramarital affair with his EMPLOYEE. Also nobody is victimising Alex, everyones just pointing out that Ned was the one in a position of power meaning there’s an innate power imbalance whether Alex initiated it or not. Of course Alex is not blameless, but as the boss Ned had a bigger responsibility to not engage in the affair.
@@mazzanda Yes, because a woman using charm or seduction to get a higher position in life NEVER happens (/s) and in case it does happen it's apparently the man's fault for falling prey to that sort of thing instead of it being the woman's fault for resorting to underhanded and non-professional conduct in the first place. You seem to be getting things backwards here, that "power imbalance" is the whole reason why a situation like this needs to be handled with careful scrutiny and BOTH parties' perspectives have to be thoroughly examined seriously because power can be extremely tempting to people who don't have it and said people can resort to underhanded means to get closer to that power. I'm not saying that this is definitely the situation and it's the fault of any one party, I'm just saying that people shouldn't be quick to make one sided blanket assumptions about anyone involved in any potentially sensitive situation. This is also ESPECIALLY true if it has anything to do with mainstream media or celebrities because then it quickly devolves into a game of Chinese whispers and who can scream the loudest or shell out the most money to record their take and present it as the gospel truth.
The Try Guys handled this with such professionalism and integrity, and the internet has recognized that and appreciated that in new media we do the right thing. I think it's very telling how traditional media has reacted to all this.
You're not kidding. I was so pleasantly surprised with the fact that the try guys were as transparent and professional as they were, addressing the issue on their podcast, main channel, and social media accounts. I have never seen such respect and care in how these issues are handled and I saw this as a positive sign of change.
@@cassidyr.4614 it was still alll an act, there is absolutely no way they didn't know about the affair and only responded because people came out and said they saw it happening.
@@houseofaction But the legal reprecussions still exist regardless of it blowing up or not, alex could still claim wrongful termination if she got let go and everyone in the company would be labelled implicit enablers of Ned.
@@houseofaction The guys said on their podcast they contacted third-party lawyers and HR professionals to defuse the situation as carefully as possible so that they can preserve the livelihoods and careers of themselves and the whole company.
@@houseofaction If you assume that silence is the default reaction and course of action within a company in light of a scandal, it definitely should not be and needs to change.
What the media thinks of digital creators ... it's so ironic ... they're just projecting. The MEDIA functions by fundamentally lying to their impressionable and easily manipulated audience, they just call out youtubers cause the youtubers actually take a stand against their BS. Thank you, MatPat; you are incredible. We appreciate you.
@@dexnacorn7807 MatPat isn't really a "rando youtuber" anymore, hes the face of a very successful business, which I think that makes his honesty even more commendable. He knows his power as an infuencer and uses it for good.
@@brandonj7586 yes but the news media will still think of even the most successful youtubers as random people even if they are way more successful than many mainstream celebrities(not to mention how youtubers are way less problematic).
I am incredibly proud of Matpat for being willing to speak up about how information is spread and can easily be mishandled. It's not easy and he's talking against companies who have been around for decades. But again, I'm glad that someone is starting this conversation, because as Matpat says, "It should be the new norm". So thank you.😊
They can come off as a bit, lefty at times on some things sometimes but as a whole seems like they try (pun or not) to care about things with those minor matters derived from a desire for niceness which can get someone in issues if not balanced against rationalist realism for specifically objective regards for reality first; But one the same per such points of view can have respect for someone who again at least does seem to care and again respects family. *(To say when one cannot see woods for trees kind of stuff., but naivity isnt a sin.)
@@ZGuy0fSci I'm sorry, what did any of that mean? I understood all those words individually, but what exactly are you trying to say? And what do you mean they can be a bit lefty? Be specific.
@@MrGamelover23 glad I’m not the only one confused af lol. The person thinks they’re superior to others bc they know a bunch of advanced vocabulary yet they have no idea how to use it. They truly said nothing. It’s embarrassing 😬
I’m 53, my husband is 58. We love the Try Guys. I’ve been watching since the beginning. Our 17 yr olds watch them with us. The media coverage is BS. SNL pissed me off so badly. I’m so happy you did this video!
SNL is a comedy show. You don't like their comedy then don't laugh or watch. The idea that you would think along with MatPat that comedians would write a skit where all of the historical aspects of the skit are 100 accurate shows me you are a woke social justice warrior. Was the SNL skit funny? Maybe or maybe not. But, they had a right to poke fun of any public figure. And yes, facts are not necessary in making a joke.
I wasn't expecting Matt to say anything about this, but I remember when the Try Guys did the podcast ep explaining everything Zach said he had to lie to Matt in his face and act like everything is fine , so to see Dadpat come out in full force really really warms my heart. The internet really knows how to have each other's back when we need to; especially with this entire situation going down. I'm just blown away by how mainstream media had the perfect opportunity to showcase this in a better light and even help pave the way forward with what the Try Guys did with holding Ned accountable, but nooooooooo it just screams jealousy imo, honestly for as old as the industry is you'd think they wouldn't need to grow up but here we are. Thank you for bringing these disgusting media outlets to the couch and giving them a good talking to Dadpat.
They we’re working on removing Ned from the company, but the whole scandal hadn’t blown up yet (only handfuls of witnesses knew). So for legal reasons their hands were tied and they couldn’t speak about it. Honestly, don’t typically watch their podcasts but it was an enlightening listen.
It also makes me so frustrated that they think the Try Guys WEREN'T genuinely upset that a guy they'd been friends with who spoke almost exclusively about his love for his wife did, well, that. Eugene looks like he's barely holding it together because of how pissed he is. And we all know, through consuming their media, that Eugene can actually hide facial expressions decently well. But he looked like he was going to flip his lid
We should also note that one of the writers for that SNL sketch is Yale buddies with Ned, so of course they wouldn't put him in a bad light and therefore will skew it as much as possible to make his friend look like the good guy. This sketch was literally a guy who didn't hold his friend accountable for cheating and a workplace affair making fun of the friends who did
Kinda indicates the kind of trash that's really there on the other side of the tv screen. TH-camrs make so much content with so few people that it's hard to hide their personality. Tv producers don't have that, and more and more are outted as horrible people.
I feel like matpat should've pointed this out, the writer is essentially slandering the tri guys while ignoring that Ned literally betrayed everyone, then again they're probably desensitized to sexual scandals hence why they're so ready to side with the cheater.
@@donutchan8114 I actually think matpat did that intentionally and it was the right choice. He kept the video strictly to the business side of why they did what they did to exemplify that how they felt did not matter at all. Are the Try Guys friends in real life? It certainly appears so, but the detonation of that friendship ultimately has no bearing on the business actions they took. By staying purely business focused it cuts the poor takes off at the knees and destroys any credibility they might have. Additionally dragging in other people that he doesn't know their intent (no matter how obvious it may look) opens himself to accusations of slander. There may be way too many coincidences for the writers actions to be a coincidence, but that doesn't make it proof.
In my class at school we are doing articles about how the media portrays people badly, cuts information, vague answers and such, this video is the perfect example calling out media and click bait authors who can't tell a true story for the life of them.
Honestly feeling bad for all of them because aside from being business partners, they legitimately seemed like they were all having fun back when I've been watching them.
I think thats why the video left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths (I dont like how I worded that either but Im going with it) I think a lot of people see friendship as something sacred and guys especially have things like "bro codes" where it is implied that they have each others backs even if the world turns on them. A lot of people dont care about the controversy as much as the betrayal of friendship shown in the video because nobody really knows for sure what the details of the consensual relationship was BUT everyone knows how close the tryguys were (see other comments above calling them family). And a lot of people probably feel like they would not have done the same in their shoes. I know that it would take a LOT for me to drag one of my friends across the internet to save my brand and this controversy would not make the cut. Maybe I would have asked him to leave the channel to save it and the jobs of everyone involved but I dont think I would have made that video.
I think that the worst part is that Ned was friends and business partners with the other Try Guys and more importantly knew that this could affect them not only on a personal level but because he was the head of HR and in a relationship with a lower level employee which is a situation just rife with issues that could've very easily sunk the company and all of its employees financial lives. He knew not only that his actions could've hurt the business but would definitely have hurt his close friends who were also friends of his wife, and in the case of Eugene specifically someone who had suffered through being a child of divorce something Ned has now forced on his own daughter by making his own poor decisions. There's a reason why in that announcement Eugene was utterly pissed looking and it's because he knows some of the issues that Ned's daughter will encounter because of this from his own experience of a broken family.
Yes. Just yes, to all of this. The Try Guys cleaned up a very public mess made by their "friend" and business partner in the classiest, most forward thinking way possible. If you didn't already love the Try Guys, you certainly should now. This video hit the nail on the head. Thank you.🙌🏻
I have not watched one episode of their shows, but this drama made me gain MASSIVE respect for the trio and the Try Guys fanbase for sticking by Ned's poor wife.
@@PyroGam3s why would they keep on the boss who slept with one of his employees???? do you have any idea how many lawsuits that could cause ofc they fired him
Important to note that in the trypod episode addressing some of this, they said that Ned actually has connections to one of the writers of SNL which may have contributed to the problematic skit. As a kid I always felt like I was missing out by not watching SNL but now I'm glad not to have been exposed to that kind of toxic garbage.
Nah, SNL is amazing. Don't let one bad apple ruin the premise of live comedy for you. Because there's a lot of good, up and coming talent off there, and good representation as well. Has been for the past 6 years or so. And who doesn't like Kenan Thompson?
some of snl is very good and some is very bad. whether you would like to consume and enjoy the good separately from the bad or stay away from it entirely is up to you but i just thought i would let you know
Apparently two of the writers of SNL, one of whom is a head writer, are best friends with Ned from college, and Ned has admitted at one point that he'd absolutely choose his college friends over the Try Guys.
When I was a kid, we loved watching SNL until they did a cartoon/live action special where at the end the animated superhero tells a couple of live action guys that in order to go to this special place, they had to be blindfolded and they also have to strip off all their clothes. My brother was trying to imitate them and my mom saw him do this and she punished us both by not allowing us to watch SNL anymore. We saw it again as we got older but it's not as funny when ur older. SNL is kinda up there with Family Guy in the crude humor. Just something to watch when u feel juvenile.
Tbh the people I feel the most bad for is Ned and Ariel’s kids. Not only did their dad cheat on their mom, they also have to grow up with millions of people knowing about it and having it documented online
Oh my god. Thank you for bringing up the employee/ boss sexual misconduct aspect. That drove me crazy when I saw the skit. How they could have had it so backwards. I actually think Keith, zack, and Eugene handled this situation beautifully.
@@LilBruno63 honestly the only reason I clicked was because I was SURE that Mat wouldn’t actually feel that way towards the Tri Guys, having watched him for so long I was hopeful that he was coming at this informed and objectively, and I was not disappointed
I don't know how this guy is and was weirded out by the thumbnail in my recommended. Did not want to watch the video, just went to the comments to see what is it all about.
Thing is we have no clue what was going on in their relationship. Maybe theirs is an open one? It really wasn't anyone's business (aside from the whole workplace issue thing).
@@catherunrose2289 This is completely true. However, from what I understand, Ned wasn't "going to whoever." He had a very specific relationship with one individual, which makes this case far more likely to be from a consensual, open relationship. I mean, it raises the chances from, like, 0.5% to 2%, but, still.
@@LittleZbot It's not consensual with Ariel. Open relationships aren't "Well we're open and me and this person is okay with it so we can." It's asking your partner(s), working together(no matter how many people are in it, which was in this case was a marriage.) It doesn't matter if it's open or if (in this case) Ned and Alex are okay with it unless Ariel is ALSO okay with it. The only thing Alex and Ned consenting does is say Ned wasn't abusing Alex(or reversed.)
@@catherunrose2289 you are misunderstanding what theyre saying, we dont know whether or not Ariel consented or did not consent to it in the case that the relationship was open. Everyone knows that you need to clear it with your partner in an open relationship.
I did notice that the group was hurt that Ned lied to them. They don't want to talk badly about him because they were long-time friends. Better to keep it simple and keep it business related
Not only did Ned lie to them - he put their entire company at jeopardy, their entire career, the company they all had built together from the ground up. I cant even imagine the betrayal and hurt they would feel over that.
I love how furious Matt is about how the whole thing has been covered. It bothered me really badly too, I just couldn’t frame it as eloquently as he has
How has matpat gone from the “wild theory guy” to the “one of the only reliable mainstream sources to cover and make sense of media coverage of online events guy”
It's also kinda weird to me that the media companies are in defense of someone who did something legitimately bad, and try to make fun of the friends/coworkers that are angry with them. I'd be so angry to learn that one of my closest friends was cheating on the person they promised their entire life to.
If they put blame on the actual wrongdoer, then questions start being asked about larger companies. And of course those larger companies dish out the money to keep media from bringing up those questions.
If you get angry at your friends for doing bad things every time, you won’t have any friends. I presume the mainstream media companies are so toxic they have to know that out of necessity.
@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana idk, I think it's pretty hard to forgive someone who cheats on their wife. Its such a huge breach of trust and speaks volumes about someone's character. Those aren't the people I'd want to surround myself with.
right? even though they're business partners, theyre still friends with each other. they get along and their interactions are natural, so theyre still going to be hurt on a personal level when they find out their partner/friend cheated on his wife.
Yeah, it is always terrifying when the level headed person loses it. My boyfriend is like that and brother, it is scary when men like MatPat and my BF get actually mad cuz someone dun FCKED up. It’s like a canary in a mine. It started screaming shts gone sideways. 😨
Matpat needs to make the final theory channel Media Theory! Where he gets to sit, talk, roast, and correct the media on everything they're doing wrong from news articles to sports coverage and more
I know you have a lot of faith in Mat and his buds but making a channel like that would be too much hassle. Just make a couch time play list and leave it at that.
The media will just go for the jugular and attack his family, sadly. They are brutal and really don't like TH-camrs calling them out for their nonsense.
The remaining Try Guys handled the situation professionally. They were forced to get a video to explain the situation as the issue was arising many rumors just from reddit and tweets.
I'm convinced the reason the mainstream media is trying to pain them as the bad guys is because they're upset that internet drama was all over the news instead of celebrity drama
The biggest part is, The Try Guys showed up main stream media and did exactly what a company is supposed to do in situations like this. Many companies don’t like doing the right thing.
Orrrr it's just neds friends at snl that were actually listed as writers for that skit. They got so much hate and still do for that sketch, rightfully so.
if ned had an affair with someone who wasn't apart of the company, he'd still have his job, this realistically had NOTHIGN todo with the fact it was an affair, and entirely todo with the fact it was a romantic relationship between employee and co-founder which caused a bad power balance, and opened the company up to potentially very serious legal action if things didn't work out, or issues arised.
I kind of wonder if he would, though. It's not the same as a normal media personality. He made his persona "the wife guy." His wife and family were even involved in his endeavors. I agree that he would have been less likely to be fired but to say he would not be fired at all... Considering the persona he put forward and how he's pursued his career, I'm not so sure. I feel like fans would have called for his firing, honestly. It seems like he's a scummy person apart from questionable relationships with subordinates and I feel like The Try Guys might have wanted to distance themselves from that.
I think that even if Ned cheated with someone outside of the company the Try Guys would have still fired him. The whole character (as he portrayed himself on the channel) he brought to the table was him being a "loving husband" dedicated to his lovely wife and kids. Cheaters don't fit that character.
Nah, Ned would've been gone no matter who he cheated with. Of course, him getting together with an employee did not help his case, but his whole brand on the try guys was "I love my wife" that brand is broken, he doesn't provide a shtick to the group after that except bad media coverage.
@@miau6451 I don’t think they would have had a case to fire him if it wasn’t an employee. It definitely would have made the work environment uncomfortable tho so he might have left/stopped appearing in videos
in the removal of ned video, eugene’s expression the entire time is just so piercing. it’s clear that they were all trying to show themselves as taking it calmly, but eugene was just so upset at the situation that he couldn’t hide his feelings. when he’s speaking you can hear it too
@@ReinTenebres There's a difference between being polyamorous and cheating. If he and his wife decided to have an open or polyamorous relationship, that would be totally fine. However, in this case, at least as far as we know, their relationship was a closed one and so the situation isn't polyamory, it's just plain old cheating.
It's also about legal reasons - Ned was their HR department. And he was the one breaking California law with how he was taking advantage of his employees.
@@AnEmu404 Here's why I agree with the "felt like" comment - it was the morally right thing to do. And the Tri Guys have proven multiple times that the morally right thing to do is what they'll do.
@@fallen_star2319 An Emu already mentioned the moral obligation involved.. My issue with the “felt like” wording is that it heavily implies that the Try Guys would not have fired Ned if the scandal didn’t blow up on the internet. They didn’t feel like firing Ned, they needed to. It was their responsibility as managers.
I'm sure it has already been said but the SNL sketch was written by Bowen Yang and Ned's best friend from college, could that be the reason his horrific behavior was minimized?
I'm glad Matpat and the team took the time to go over this and expose the senseless coverage the media has done about this situation. Inmense respect to the film theorists for coming forward for the Tri guys
Same, I was worried he might somehow defend Ned since his wife Stephanie still follows Ned on Instagram but I'm so happy that wasn't the case and attacking traditional media in their hypocrisy
@@TheSamuraiforever It's easy to just forget that you're following someone. I didn't realise I was still following Ned until I wanted to check if there were any more new updates like a week or 2 ago.
Fun fact: Colin Jost came to my college for a comedy show after that skit aired and I asked him how long they spent writing that skit and he just moved on to the next question.
@@potatogaming7044 he's one of the head writers and the SNL head writers along with Lorne and the host help decide what sketches get on so even if he didn't write it got on partly because of him
I’m not defending them, but Colin didn’t write the sketch. Also, ik he’s head writer so things probably get approved by him, but knowing what I do about Lorne Michaels, Lorne probably forced it into the episode because that’s how most of SNL’s unfunny, out of touch sketches get through to the live episodes
I remember in the past that the Try Guys were one of the few TH-camrs who had gained a lot of widespread legitimacy. Their reputation was pristine, they were professional, brand friendly, and family friendly. I wasn’t at all surprised when they were picked up by the Food Network for a TV show for that reason. I think that BECAUSE they helped legitimize online content creators they are now being targeted by more traditional media outlets in a larger attempt to discredit the broader online community. If they can make it seem through this incident that the Try Guys never deserved their popularity and respect, they can make it seem like “see this is why you should never trust online creators. They’re immature. More likely to get into scandal. They are just popular, but not a good long term investment for your brand versus more stable old guard media companies.” I do think the Me Too movement and the skeletons in their closet play into this, but I still feel like that’s not enough to justify the so odd, out of touch responses by The NY Times and SNL. It makes more sense to me as a business strategy designed to paint content creators as unstable brands on the whole, trying to get investors to go back to traditional media, like traditional media is the stock market and online content creators are penny stocks. Sure you might get your ad to more viewers, but how will you feel when the online creator releases immature content that is then reflected onto your brand? Thought of this during MatPat’s beautiful rant.
Looking up their history, SNL habitually supports sexual abusers, and they refused to do a skit on Weinstein at all. SNL does not surprise me with defending Ned, especially knowing he has 2 writer friends who work there. What is appalling is NYT, which broke the Weinstein story. Entertainment journalists had been trying to get a victim to talk for 20 years! NYT made it happen! For NYT to support Ned…that is absolutely deplorable and I feel some rich person put them up to it. I have noticed that before. They once wrote an article about a rich brat who broke quarantine while visiting another country. No one bleeping cared except her rich family who had connections to NYT.
MatPat POPPED OFF and I am HERE FOR IT. I'll be honest I was waiting for his statement or opinion of the try guys stuff but this was so so much better. This is an incredible analysis and deconstruction of the problems with media nowadays. Thank you so much Matthew
It’s also important to remember Ned was not just another boss; he was the co-founder of a very popular TH-cam channel and of the company she was employed at. He is also famous and recognizable to many people. Ned not only could have had her fired in an instant, but quite possibly reduced her ability to get another job or even ruin her life if she did not do what he wanted. There is no way to know if the relationship was coerced. The fact Ned is not criticized more for this abuse of power is honestly sickening. I really appreciate that MatPat brought it up.
All of this actually made me think about some stuff that my dad would talk about. For contacts my father worked in unemployment for the Colorado Department of Labor and he knew unemployment law better than some barred lawyers probably. What net did wasn't just dangerous from the standpoint of a boss and subordinate. It was dangerous because not only was he a co-owner of a very profitable brand their success was very much tied to other brands. Think about it they had ties to things at Target at Amazon patreon and other companies they were a conglomerate in the making or at least the closest thing to an online conglomerate that you can get in the TH-cam space. Now all videos with him in them are either going to have to be deleted or re-edited and re-uploaded which if done so is messy. Because that could constitute legal action that he could take against the other three co-founders of the company. On top of that even though he's been fired and most likely bought out of the company if the employees still working there. She is most likely going to be dealing with a potentially hostile work environment. This was so publicly done that even though they were most likely steps taken so that she couldn't see the company there still could be grounds that she could have a civil case against Ned and the other try guys.
Or they were just having an affair😂 not everything has a deep backstory. People cheat. And it’s pretty common for it to happen between people who work together.
@@samlynch7463 "between people who worked together" is not the same thing as an employee and the co-owner of the company. Even if you aren't cheating you still shouldn't be getting involved with someone you have such a huge amount of financial control over.
@@samlynch7463 it’s not something to laugh at. he is a father of 2 and i’m pretty sure was trying for a third with his wife. it is deep. cheating culture is deep. it ruins lives. not just of the selfish assholes who do it, but their families. alex also had a fiancé who she was dating for 10 years. the commonality of cheating does not ever make it okay. it does not make it logical or rational. and also i’m pretty sure his second child was born weeks before he started seeing alex. so yeah. it’s a deep and serious matter.
This Matt guy is doing the exact same ahit he is complaining about.He is forcing his biased opinion onto his audience,rather then just presenting ALL of the information from start to finish,and allow people to use their own intelligence to draw THEIR own conclusions.He is using his platform to push his agenda,rather then just present the facts as they truly are.He really lost the point of this almost instantly,when here he isn't,using his media platform,to push his own biased opinion,and tell people how they should be feeling.This is also the third time I've pointed this out,quite fairly so,and not rudely whatsoever,and yet my other messages keep mysteriously disappearing.The great influence of the media again.Its really hard to mention that he is also simply using this whole situation to further his own channel,and views,when he could have kept this to a private reflection channel,away from his main work...But here he is,milking the views,and using someone else's name,and fame to do it...Seems pretty suspect to me.
Also a point a lot of people aren't noticing or forget: Ned went to Yale (a university that has a huge chunk of people from there working in that newspaper) and had a friend at snl that is a script writer... It's interesting the ones claiming he's right, are by chance the ones that are connected to him in some way
he actively mentioned an SNL writer's name in a TryPod episode (or whatever tf it was called i forget) and that WAS one of the writers for the exact skit.
I personally really like having videos like this about serious things involving the greater TH-cam as a whole. It’s almost like the “drama channels” of old but with actual content. I hope more stuff like this is made. It’s nice to see matpat get genuinely invested in something and you can hear real passion in his voice about what he’s talking about.
even tho i loved this video and how hes being a dad to the youtube i kinda hope these types of couch videos keep to be not as often cause 1) we all know how the internet would turn on him for having an opinion on controversial stuff and 2) i just hope these stuff wont happen that often also cuz poor matpat seems to be way too stressed about it. and frankly i am too. sorry for gramatical errors. not my first language
Absolutely. As much as I enjoy Game, Film, and Food Theories, whenever Mat Pat does a video like this that gets into real world topics I wish I could double like them. I've honestly shared more of these types of his videos than the others because I love how informative they are on real world topics. Keep up the good work (and don't stop the nerdy topics lol)
It's time like this that I remember just how intelligent MatPat is. He often comes across as goofy and careless in his videos, but it's moments like these I'm reminded just how well he knows the world of online business.
A friggin' visionary!!! With very bad timing; I wouldn't be surprised if CNN declares bankruptcy by tomorrow, or the Try Guys create a prank channel during this week 👀
Disappointed dadpat has come back in full force and I'm here for it. Wish he didn't have to break it out, especially not so often, but I learn something and thoroughly enjoy the resulting videos every time. As someone who is certified to run a business, I was impressed by how the guys handled the situation. It was literally textbook, all the right steps taken, the person being held accountable, and as much transparency as possible to rebuild trust with their audience. To see how SNL and now the Times are treating it is an absolute travesty, I can only imagine what working there must be like if this coverage is anything to go by.
@@ToyKeeper Very true, and I'm very proud of the guys for it!! But for SNL and NYT to talk about it and be so visibly afraid like this is, at bare minimum, a terrible PR decision. If you don't want people to think you're in a similar situation or to talk about you being in a similar situation, don't talk about or make light of similar situations 🤦♀
Now that this video is almost a year old, I have some conjecture to add since around this time of year YT likes to push older content: Ned mentioned in one of the podcast videos (can't remember which) that one of his college buddies from Yale worked as a writer on SNL, and how he was hoping to use that connection at some point to get the guys on the show. He never mentioned that friend by name, but the sleuths of the internet could easily find the name of this friend, and cross-reference it with the writing credits of that sketch. Considering that the sketch doesnt mention Ned by name at all and completely villifies the Try Guys for a common-sense business decision, I wouldnt be surprised if he called in a favor to that friend in an attempt to tarnish the brand that he was no longer a part of. 🤔
I think it says a lot about the writers of these articles/skits, that they blame the three guys for explaining the situation and apologising, but gloss over the fact that Ned CHEATED ON HIS AMAZING WIFE (and thus also betrayed his son).
the thing was, they were friends AND buisness partners, keiths wife and neds wife were friends the guys regularly watched neds kids, ned was their friend and co owner which must have stung so much to know someone who they were friends with and trusted enough to start a buisness with would betray them, their employees, their company, and put them in a position of potential lawsuit
This is so perfectly worded, I’m doing an essay for my college class about how the media totally missed on the try guys controversy. I didn’t even think of the TH-camrs POV and how the media portrays them as “pranksters” it’s so interesting
It's not just the Try Guys though, MSM always portrays content creators as "less genuine", "view seeking"; it's as if they paint MSM and content creators as nemesis. If you work in MSM you have a "real job" while content creators are just "lazy people looking for a quick buck". I could rant for days about this xD
Seems like you might have a new reference for your paper. It especially helps with “potential lawsuits” and “bankruptcy” brought in, a language past generations know of better.
Yes, "pranksters" is up there with "thug"; words MSM uses to try to diminish and undermine certain groups of people to make them seem bad, undesirable, and as someone else said, "the enemy."
@@alphonsemaina8293 there is discrimination of all sorts across all kinds of people and groups, no one is arguing that, I was just pointing out one particular discrimination against content creators that was influenced by MSM as it was relevant to OP.
I was really comforted by The Try Guy's explanation vid. It assured me that they wouldn't do what so many companies have done. They won't let someone get away with illicit relationships with employees. That bodes really well considering that means if there were other employees being made to feel uncomfortable they can be confident that they could go to one of those three and the issue would be handled, and any victims would be believed.
The problem is that people are painting the woman Ned had an affair with as a "victim" when in reality she likely was pushing for the relationship just as much as Ned was. She shouldn't get sympathy for her part in all this.
@@kingbaguette1843 if they're your subordinate, it's likely misconduct, however. So, yeah, dating your married boss will get the boss fired and likely put you in a horrible position.
@@jerichonikolai Cheating on your wife is wrong, however I see nothing morally wrong with dating your subordinate. There simply ain’t no head like secretary head.
@@kingbaguette1843 He was HR. HR is who you go to when there's an issue of workplace misconduct. If she didn't want to do something with him, he could have ruined her career. This is why you can't f*ck your secretary. Because it can easily lead to abuse.
Also Ned has bragged about having an old college friend that writes for SNL and it quiet possible he was one that worked on that sketch. Which if true adds a whole other level of mess to this situation. It was so hard to watch them trivialize what could've been a career ending blow
@@JesusFlores-rw8ry from what I've gathered its most likely true, Ned has spoken on the try pod about his friend who writes for SNL, Alex (The affair partner) asked if he was talking about steven/stephen and he confirmed yes, looking at his socials he follows and is followed by a will steven/stephen who works for SNL and is credited in the skit as one of the writers
I got scared when I read the title but as soon as I realized what this video was truly all about, I just have one thing to say to you MatPat: THANK YOU!
I have no idea what MatPat must be like in real life to work for, but if this is even a fraction of how seriously he takes workplace safety issues then I'd give anything to make him my boss.
@@cajunking5987 if your boss is pursuing a romantic or sexual relationship with you, it puts you at risk because they have the potential to fire you if you don’t reciprocate. Also if a lawsuit occurs like the ones Matt mentioned, that could put a company out of business or cause them to have to do mass layoffs to save money. So staying on top of this kind of situation is important in ensuring the job security of your employees. So not “work safety” as in gloves and eye protection but work safety as in protecting your employees careers and giving them a safe workplace where they don’t need to worry about being pressured with sexual misconduct to continue their employment
You can tell the genuine emotions of the guys in the couch. They are upset, sad, and angry in turn. You can’t fake the genuine, you know it when you see it.
I know Matt has a ton on his plate already, but I would just love something like a podcast where he can ramble and rant for as long as he likes and about whatever he likes. The power wash episode with Mark was an excellent example.
@@jacobalvarado8277 its not that it was too much but i think because they were too busy, thats why steph had to step down the gtlive channel altogether, because they were too busy trying to manage 3 channels, 1 live stream (non live now) channel and a business to run with Theorist Media. But matpat can wish to do his own podcast cause he honestly just do that in it of itself in his talks on the VODs in GTLive Channel where they play a game and the he go off on a tangent and talk random stuff with his coworker behind the scene
MatPat is really out there saying the real stuff about companies. Traditional news outlets like SNL and NYT have lost all respect from their younger audiences for completely missing the mark on a very serious situation.
No, they didn't "miss the mark". This was a very intentional "misunderstanding" from legacy media in their constant sour grapes effort to trivialize what is replacing them. Maybe the boomers that still watch SNL and read the NYT can rejoice in them owning those newfangled technologies like youtube.
not to mention that it was mentioned in the trypod, keith was on tour with his band and eugene was working on other projects which effectively left zach, a chronically ill man, alone to deal with this for 2 or so weeks. ned literally put not only his company at risk, but his friends and family. zach mentioned that during that time he was stressed and was in *severe* pain.
The way the media handled this, in light of what you’ve brought up here, makes me so genuinely angry. God, i hope Zach is okay, he seems like a strong guy.
What annoys me is that people treat the woman Ned had an affair with as the victim when likely she was just as responsible for the situation as he was. She shouldn't be allowed to benefit from a lawsuit.
@@greywolf7577 but you've got to remember it's very finicky because it was an employee
@@greywolf7577 shes not THE victim, but she is one of many in this situation. ned had power over her. he was her boss, he’s famous, and he’s rich. that power dynamic makes the relationship inherently inappropriate
@Alexa oh ya she’s definitely a victim and obviously had no choice but to cheat on her fiancé…
The weird thing is “guy builds brand on his love for his wife then cheats on his wife” is a WAY funnier skit idea than “guys are mad that he put hos before bros”
true
So true honestly and would have been a lot less insensitive to the core issues
You’re entirely right and that’s exactly why they didn’t do it. SNL isn’t funny anymore :’) (and they’re salty about it.)
They never would cos that would bounce back on them with an old friend....
Kinda doing
The same thing...
That is legit...
i like how they so poorly understood that ned actually had everything and lost it all but portrayed him as "being free". He was at a good place in his life, he had a loving wife, happy healthy kids, a successful business, a good reputation, and him having a whole relationship with an employee ultimately put all of that at risk.
But... He is now free of a career on _youtube_ ... Don't you know that a career on youtube is the lowest of lows? (because if it isn't people will value yt as much as traditional media, and we can't risk that...) /s
@@LenaFerrari yeah, but the terms of his removal will make it somewhat difficult for him to get a job in a related field in the future. If you are fired from a job, at any interview for a new job you have to give a reason why you were fired. Even if Ned explains it in a way that makes it seem not as terrible, there is still legal record of the termination and internal review. Also, he is a well known name now specifically for this scandal (if people didn’t know of him before). Anywhere he goes, the media will follow. Sure, Ned’s job prospects aren’t zero, but they are severely impacted due to his decision. He may be “free” but he is not any better off than he was.
@Aloe Vera ned was a boss engaging in a workplace relationship with his employee. even if it was “consensual,” (which doesn’t exist when it comes to boss/employee relationships) it opens the company up to a lot of lawsuits if the relationship ends up going bad.
I mean, the writers of the SNL skit had the goal of minimizing the situation because it was written by two of Ned's friends 🤷♀️
@Aloe Vera you must not understand. On top of the reasons Matt shows he was CHEATING on his wife as well as endangering everything he built up in the process. Subtracting literally every business level he was doing something that is immoral and harmful to his own family. Ultimately it wouldn't have been near as big a deal if he wasn't the boss in the situation though.
MatPat really said, “I’m going to say what everyone at second try is thinking but cannot say because of lawsuits”
This is really the only reason. Just doesn't sound as good as preditor prey.
Is this guy matpat? I've heard his name around the internet for years but could never place him.
@@Sentientmatter8Yeah, short for Matthew Patrick.
@@sunnclownmisinformation, its obviously matthew patthew
@@Sentientmatter8 Congratulations on finishing your quest for MatPat!
It's crazy how the media will NEVER talk about actual toxic content creators and will instead thrown gasoline at an ember
exactly, that's a grate way to put it
/pos
You see calling out decent people=money.
They do that with everything, not just entertainment.
Because they don't want to fix the problem. They want to use the problem as their excuse to prevent small independent creators from rising and becoming an obstacle to their interests.
That's partly because the people at the top of these companies benefit from the status quo and don't want it to change
Matpat somehow manages to be the old guy and the young guy on the internet at the same time. In a very positive way - the bridge we didn't deserve, but needed
Here's the full clip://th-cam.com/video/kyLHKN1jAWs/w-d-xo.html
lol so true
It actually makes sense.
He is the smart class clown, knows when its no longer a joke.
I WANT that... we need that, espacially on the internet.
After the sketch aired, Becky (Keith’s wife) remembered that Ned had a friend that became a SNL writer. Dan Bulla. They both were in a comedy group called Warm Milk, and it just so happens Dan was working on the scripts for this season of SNL…and he did the script for the Try Guys skit.
oh my god it all makes sense. i can see every equation
Ye and his other friend will Stephen, and will actually worked on the try guys skit🥶
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Yeah I immediately saw a Reddit thread with the imdb credits and pictures of the writer with Ned!! Unreal. So unethical.
Do you think Ned went so low or that Dan is the best of friend and did it for his sake to roast the guys 🫠
When I was a kid, my dad cheated on my mom and they got divorced. That's the super short version, lol. Whenever something like this happens, it always angers me to see people make it seem like a man cheating on his wife is simply what happens, it's commonplace, it's not a big deal. That experience put my family through so much pain, my mom especially. That's why it was so refreshing for me to see how to Try Guys handled it, professionally without diminishing the harm Ned caused. They didn't sweep it under the rug or say "well that's what happens in marriages." I hope more companies and people will reflect that attitude in the future
i went through something very similar, but when i was a teen so it is very clear in my mind, and it was traumatic. i can only respect the try guys for how they handled it with the severity it deserves. it was also really infuriating to see people dismissing the guys experience when they called it traumatic. They were really close to both Ned and Ariel and with the added pressure of being in the spotlight it certainly is something that can be called traumatic. i could not have imagined going through what my family and I went through whilst also being in the spotlight in the way they did. Big props to them all around
@@etsequentia6765 the original comment wasnt talking about gender it just said it's weird when people act like spousal cheating is normal, youre the one making it about the patriarchy and gender and being triggered. Classic whataboutism
His wife has decided to stay with him for the time being. They have no right to get involved with personal drama. You need to seek help for your trauma so it doesn't could your judgment of others
@@etsequentia6765 what does any of this have to do with Ned cheating?
Absolutely
It amazes me how this scandal can be so badly portrayed. The Try Guys actions were basically the perfect example of how to handle this type of situation. As soon as they were aware of the problem the worked continuously behind the scenes to solve it the correct and legal way and when it finally started to gain attention in the public domain made a video explaining the situation and explaining what they did and why before the story was twisted too much by speculation.
Except that they fired only one person instead of both. The production manager should have been fired also.
@@moviemaker2011z they legally can't or she could sue
@@thatsn0tverycashm0ney88 they legally could and she could not. Why should she be allowed to keep her job for being a part of the affair? She knew the rules and still violated them. She is just as guilty.
@@moviemaker2011z but she can say that the employer exploited her with his job position. There would have to be unnecessary drama from there that no one wants. As matpat has said, they , the try guys, are businessman and they know the risk of whatever action they do, and ned took a big risk with the affair, he could have just said no to the affair.
@@moviemaker2011z they literally could get sued. She could pull the victim card and say she was forced to bc Ned did in fact have power over her at work.
The try guys were honest, open and frank. Completely unlike any other company that has been caught in a scandal like this. It’s telling that big corporations are trying to punch down like this
This, the transparency the Try Guys showed is what the big corporations are scared of and why they're working so hard to discredit the group. If the Try Guys set a precedent that companies should be open and honest with their consumers, the big corporations (such as SNL) are afraid consumers will latch onto that and start pushing harder for transparency from them as well.
I wouldn't even label it a scandal.
@in your dreams SHUT UP BOT
I was kinda worried that MatPat was going to try and roast them like CinnamonToastKen did. I agree that the mainstream media are taking a very dangerous and damaging stance on this now.
@@graysonoliver2632 It is when you are the business owner and you put the business you co-own at risk of massive, potentially terminal, liability just to cheat on your wife. As Matpat said, he put the livelihoods of himself, his business partners and employees on the line. If Ned has just had some affair with a random woman who didn't work at the company it wouldn't be a scandal.
Matt missed the best part, how one of the people that wrote the SNL skit is a friend of Ned's from Yale and a lot of people believe that Ned was the one that thought up the idea to get his friend to trash the other guys to take the heat off of Ned but he forgot that he name dropped said friend on an episode of The Try Pod as Will Stephen.
I think he deliberately omitted it to instead focus on the problematic aspects of this whole situation. Yes, the fact that Ned had a friend in SNL who wrote a sketch trivializing a power imbalance relationship mixed with infidelity as 'kissed a girl and didn't tell his friends' is important (and kinda funny) in the context of the situation but even if it wasn't written by his friend, the sketch would be equally bad. And I think he wanted to keep that as the main point.
Yeh I noticed this, I think he left it out as it's an unverified accusation. I mean ..it's almost definitely true, but we can't confirm that ned was involved in anyway.
If true, probably changes this from "corporate media not understanding youtube again" to "deliberate attempt at slander."
Because that's speculation and more drama, and MatPat was clearly not focusing on the drama. "a lot of people believe" doesn't make it definitely true and only adds fuel to the drama, which wasn't Mat's point at all. He focused on the actual skit, not the unproved rumors behind it.
@@Darke_Exelbirth Not to mention some higher ups at SNL are currently tying to bury an actual current sexual assault case at one of them. It's a whole system there.
It’s both disturbing and depressing that the media’s first response to a company actually taking an inappropriate employee misconduct case SERIOUSLY is to either make “bros before hos” jokes or attempt to discredit them entirely. 😤
I won’t be sorry when their entire industry dies from their negligence and spite.
It wasn't the first response mate. As MatPat mentioned, there were many news articles that actually stated facts and were neutral.
These news companies making jokes were just SNL and New York Times, if not a few more. And they were LATER, not the first ones
What is inappropriate about this they both consenting adults ? The only thing wrong and inappropriate was homie cheated on his
@@archer9664 from what I know, workplace romance is pretty inappropriate, especially if the two of them are on completely different ranks, giving a pretty bad power dynamic
@@archer9664 It's because Ned's actions could have lead to a potential lawsuit. His affair partner could have easily said that it was non-consential and that it was SH. If she were ever let go, she could say that she was harassed and was let go out of retaliation. Also, Ned made a toxic environment where employees may have to worry about being retaliated against if they ever turn him down.
Keith, Zach, and Eugene handled this issue better than any company has handled any controversy in YEARS.
ikr? im still hurting as Ned is one of my fav Try Guy, next to Zach, then Keith and Eugene but like, at least the truth comes out. Hope the Try Guy team fair much better as time goes by.
@@gudinesangelicau you’re the first person i’ve come across who had ned as their favourite try guy! may i ask why?
@@queenjeski591 i know im not the one you asked, but ned WAS my favourite too (he was my fav up until about mid 2020 when i started to like keith more, for some reason lol). he was my favourite because his humour was much like mine, and i admired the way he spoke so highly of his children and wife. i am a very family oriented person, so i related to him in that sense. something about him made him stand out from the bunch to me, i cant quite put my finger on it but i was kind of drawn to him in a sense. hope that can give some perspective? :)
@@queenjeski591 oh well he's the nerd who loves soccer and hes chaotic when drunk, and just seemed like the "prim and proper" but also very extroverted frat douche and I love me some nerdy dorks and dweebs with an extroverted personality and-
i know this is a hot take but-
the "i love my wife" schtick just added my fascination with him and most specifically made me root for him and his family yk? Like I never really liked him specifically for that "fact."
I root for all of them, but Ned and Zack just has a special place in my heart and it just hurts me to see my favorite Try Guys break up, but ig its for the best.
Sorry its like an essay, i just really want to explain my feelings the best I could.
@@chewie8318 oohhh Keith is such a dork but I love him too! They have their own charms that just makes them shine to me, y'know?
I find it even more odd that one of Ned’s friends is a writer on SNL. Seems interesting to make a piece that doesn’t include the person at fault, especially since they’re friendly with SNL crew
If you watch the credits Ned's friend wrote that sketch specifically
How much you wanna bet he’s got a friend over at the NYT as well. The Ivy Leaguers have connections.
Also the way he tried to manipulate the narrative himself by calling the paparazzi was so disgraceful and showed the kind of petty scum of a person he is. Putting Ariel through that public humiliation.
i was literally WAITING for him to bring this up
Four different people wrote the script, including a woman.
@@greywolf7577 women can be ignorant assholes as well
You already know it’s a problem when Mat has to take a seat on the couch and talk to the camera
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8 bots...
I feel so bad for you-
Or skip Film Theory episode.
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Keith, Eugene, and Zach all revealed on their podcast that Ned is actually really good friends with journalists and people at places like SNL. They kind of hinted that Ned used his connections with them to make the articles you’ve mentioned, so if it seems like SNL and the Times are defending Ned, that’s because they are and their wrong take on the situation was a conscious attempt at making Ned look better
I've heard about Ned's college buddy being a writer for SNL (yes this is true, at the time that sketch was released) but i didn't know he also had journalist friends. It's absolutely not a reach to say that Ned himself had a hand in sort of rewriting the narrative surrounding his firing and what actually happened.
"kind of hinted at" isn't the best argument. like, maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, but if you don't actual facts then you'd better stay quiet. you're just as bad as the rest
@@topasu9454Lol what an L take. It is a fact that ned had a writer friend in SNL, and considering how bad that sketch was it's almost guaranteed that his friend had a hand in writing it. These guys aren't "as bad as the rest" you just sound like a ned sympathizer
@@topasu9454 well when it was brought up on the podcast earlier and they were talking with ned about his writer friends that work at snl he did name one and that one is credited for writing that particular sketch.
In other words, blatant nepotism
This whole video is just Matpat being ENRAGED at traditional media and i love it so much
and the sad thing is, no one from traditional media is watching. and if they are, they dont care
@@pvic6959 I wouldn't say no one, there's lots of cross-over amongst millennials. The older millennials might have some of that bitter resentment for youtubers/internet celebs, but even the older millennials will often consume both youtube and traditional TV. Hopefully it sinks in with those millenials that hate on everything that isn't their preferred youtuber.
@@pvic6959 difference is, it opens peoples minds and also makes them dislike traditional media, perhaps one of those hundreds of thousands of people reaches out to the media companies, or who knows? this probably wont reach the traditional media, but what probably will reach them is the opinions of people
If you watch the Food Theory video on Nyquil chicken, MatPat gets upset at traditional media for missing the real concerns about misusing medicine.
same heree
Came here because Keith mentioned this video on the podcast and he's absolutely right. He covered it better than any news outlet out there.
Me too!
Same
Same! This was worth the effort to find and watch.
@@hifelicia615 can I ask which episode and when? Thanks!!
@@arielle__lynn it’s the recent try pod episode with Eugene (ep. 188). It’s towards the end when they mention what they were thankful for this year.
It's not often MatPat gets genuinely upset and pissed, but when he does, you know it's something very bad.
like the calm friend situation
I loved seeing how passionate he was about this. The media portrayals were appalling and this is the right kind of energy in response.
I totally agree with Matpat
why are u everywhere
That's not how that works lmao, this is stupid internet drama that he needs to take absolutely no part in, but is anyways
snl and the new york times really thought they did something. It's disgusting to see how they're essentially protecting ned. I'm so proud of Keith, Zach, Eugene, and all the employees.
Eugene SS tier
@@gamemations5066 SSS Tier*
The only problem with this whole video is SNL is not a news outlet they didn't make this joke to inform people they made it to make people laugh. was it funny? No but that isn't the point the point is you can't expect SNL to give accurate descriptions of the events because they ARE NOT a news outlet
@@xer-er2fo comedy is funny when based in reality and truth
@@greenbeantm1096 humor is subjective but yes
I also think part of the reason SNL made the try guys the villain instead of Ned is because Ned has friends who are writers in the show, and they didn’t want to make him look bad
They had such a chance to show that even if we are/were friends, what you did isn't okay and we are going to mock you for it. But noooo, they went this way instead.
Not just Ned, Alex had met many of the snl crew as a vip once.
How is Ned the bad guy though? He cheated in his wife, but that's not his company/employees problem.
@@brandipityha9457 it is because the person who he cheated with was a employee at the company, and that directly ties the company to the scandal. Besides I believe employee x employee romance is forbidden in the work place, it's now in the legal business
@@brandipityha9457
Ned put the company's brand in jeopardy.
Dadpat came out in full force in this video - truly felt like he was standing in front of the whole of TH-cam as he scolded the older siblings for hurting the younger sibling.
Yeeesss
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hes a safe for work Angry cops angry Drill sergeant.
2 bots and a comment thief, yikes
@@pyregg1572 mhm
The only reason mainstream media outlets are mad about this story is because if the Try Guys handle stuff like this responsibly then they might have to as well.
Tri guys: *being friends with Ned for 8 years, building a company together and thinking they'll be friends forever*
Ned: *cheats*
Tri guys: *Devastated*
NY Times: They were pressured to a p p e a r distressed
Also, pressured by who? They literally own the company. They don't answer to anybody.
@@mage1439 I think the article said they were "pressured" by the fans/audience.
What MSM is failing to point out is that, for a lot of people, their wedding vows are sacrosanct. So if someone is capable of breaking those, it stands to reason they wouldn't hesitate to do other unethical things, particularly to benefit themselves, even at the detriment of the company. But of course MSM won't point that out when a lot of the higher-ups make Ned look like a boy scout with their shenanigans.
@@c4tl4dy76 it definitely doesn't help that Ned's entire brand is centered around him being an adoring family-man who loves his wife and kids. I didn't believe any of the photos or evidence until the try guys addressed it in the couch video because I believed he wasn't capable of it. I was genuinely shocked learning this family role-model of a man who I adored as a content creator for a long time, destroy everything he had build to bang some random woman. Unfortunately this also makes it hard to watch videos with Ned in them.
Why do I feel like we were all on a group project at school together and Matpat just did all the work for us?
If you align yourself with the news outlet I suppose
Because he did.
That's why in lunch break we buy him food for days
I put my work in. I looked up a source.
Cus he did
This is why Matt and Steph are the teachers to new businesses. Not only a content creator and teacher but also a businessman with ethics and morals. "Old man matpatt " is an industry veteran that TH-cam and other organizations should listen to and use as references in business altogether. Thank you for the in depth news and clarification mat.
One more comment: As a woman, I am so proud of The Try Guys and the way they handled this. They could have kept quiet and pretended to know nothing about the whole thing, but they stepped up and dealt with it. It reminds me of one of my all-time favorite movie lines, “Love is love, but business is business.” (Auntie Vera, from the movie ‘Secret of My Success’).
Hypocrisy is one of the most genuinely frustrating things, especially when it's a large group of people blinded by their own delusions of grandeur.
I really appreciate how well you explained why Ned was fired. Not because he had an affair, but because he was sleeping with someone he had power over and without certain legal protections it can get really messy and end very badly for the company. Best to let him go and move on.
Ya and that's why people are making fun of it. The reality is that on a intuitive emotional level people know that it's normal to find partners among those you work with. No amount of current year finger wagging is going to change normalcy. Just like no matter of modern day disrespect for the institution of marriage is going to change that people know that betraying one commitment to their partner is abhorrent and focusing on the former over the latter is gong to get you made fun of by people at large.
@@The1Ryu The head of HR slept with an employee - the liability & potential for abuse is huge. That’s what happened. This wasn’t a case of coworkers finding romance or whatever strawman you’ve set up. The company’s other three founders/owners could have lost everything, through no fault of their own.
@@AI-dp3rd The fact that all you know how to do when you are challenged is to repeat word-for-word what an authority figure has said rather than grapple with an opposing idea is why you and people like you are called NPCs. You don't know how to think for yourself so no matter what people say to you they will get the same reply over and over again.
@@The1Ryu Nothing wrong with finding a partner among those you work with. The problem is that he was in a position of power over her. The problem was with him being in that power position its easy for her to sue on a lot of different grounds related to sexual harrasment and that would hurt the company. People aren't taking the company seriously as being an actual company that has responsibilities. If he had come forward with the relationship a long time ago, been public and had some paperwork written up with HR saying that its mutual and consensual and both parties agree to no legal actions if the relationship goes south, then it wouldn't have been an issue. And the only issue with they would have with him not being faithful to his wife has nothing to do with "the sanctity of marriage" or whatever, but purely that he built a brand around one personality and betrayed that brand
@@ylwolfy 1) you are still just repeating the NPC dialogue that Matpat programed you with. 2) If she was causing such a risk to the viability of the company then why wasn't she let go as well?
the what happened video was the first genuine "apology" type video i have ever seen. they have been far more accountable for their ex co worker than many creators have been for themselves. i wish this video was praised more and this behavior be expected and respected so that we would see more of it in the media
Pewdipie apologizing for saying the N word was a pretty good apology.
@@tomdaturtle5792 stop the cap 💀💀
Can it be called an Apology Video if the only person that did something "wrong" is not even in the video?
@@dariosilvestri473 why the “ ? it’s very wrong. it’s workplace sexual harassment and is very wrong
@@notwillinglyaloof if the relationship was consensual it's at worst sexual misconduct not harrasment. And my question was about the fact that the video is not an apology because the people that should be apologising os not even in the video.
Ned Fulmer had a year long affair while having a wife and son, and creating a second son with his wife during said affair.
He was married with kids, she was engaged to a fellow coworker. Both of them ruined friendships, and their partner's lives, along with damaging the company they worked for.
I'm still mad about this.
... do you have information about the timeline the rest of us don't? How do we know the affair was happening while they were having Finn?
@@alittlebirdysaid from what I know the affair lasted a year, and Finn is a baby. Maybe the source i saw was wrong, thats on me. Idk anymore I moved on.
@@mantis-manthegreat Finn's a toddler. He was born back in 2020.
Nvm she took him back. 🙄
Those poor kids, they are going to see this story on the internet one day.
MatPat firing allll the shots at NYT and SNL is something I didn't know I needed. I am HERE FOR IT!!!
Thank you for all the likes!!! ♡
The fact that the food baby never got fired is astonishing
Until both are fired not watching a single video of theirs again
@@PaendaTube The thing is, they couldn't fire her even if they wanted to. If they fired her, it would give her a loophole to sue the guys. But it's looking like she might not even be employed there anymore since none of the Try Guys socials have any mention of her as staff.
@@PaendaTube like matpat said it's a wrongful extermination lawsuit at best. Even though she should be fired. She can easily say she was forced to by ned and easily put everyone out of a job
It was eye-opening to see how many Yale graduates that are on SNLs writing staff were friends with Ned, made the sketch make more sense as PR for him
For real. That "sketch" could have passed itself off as a direct examination in a civil trial. "Was the affair non-consensual?" "No. He... (had) a consensual KISS!" Give me a break.
That's a big yikes. Hopefully people don't side with ned honeslty
The way she said that they’re mad he had a “side-hoe” and totally trivializes cheating and marriage in general just depresses me. This is where we are, where cheating seems commonplace now.
I remember when my friend sent me the article and then talked about the SNL sketch. We were both creeped out and straight up dumbfounded. It's so weird to see something like that in mainstream media, no matter how corrupt we all know it is. It was just blatant disregard for something nearly everyone turns into a pack of rabid wolves over.
I think that belies a lot about the toxicity of her workplace environment.
I think you mean annoys you rather than depresses you. I would be concerned if you got a mental illness over internet drama
cheating has been common place for all of human history.
@@Thnkrgames So has murder. What is your point, unless you're trying to justify it?
I remember when that snl episode aired and I was watching it with my family and then when I saw a skit that featured the try guys and their situation I was so excited that they could get recognition, sympathy, and even praise from a whole new demographic about the situation. Then the second the actors started talking I was immediately disappointed. I kept waiting and waiting for a comment about Ned because they were being so mean and just false about the try guys that I figured they were going to make so many jokes about what ned did but there was nothing. Also the fact that the try guys have built such a reliable reputation for not being irrational and dramatic just for snl to portray them so heavily as such is just so upsetting especially since this is the first impression of the try guys to a whole new demographic. I remember my parents making comment like “how could you watch these guys, they are so stupid to act this way about someone’s personal business” and I honestly just didn’t even try. It spread a completely false story and it honestly just made me unamused by snl and just bored with all of their skits after they did the try guys skit.
Neds friend from snl that he's talked about, Will Stephen, was the main writer on that sketch.
I can only hope that everyone who watched the snl skit and believed it, watches this video and actually sees things for what they are
SNL is run by degenerates. It used to be fairly wholesome comedy, now it’s a race to the gutter.
I know this comment is old and I'm just recently finding this video, but really? You didn't even try to tell them why Ned was really fired, you just let them take an unfunny skit at face value? You should know by not doing so in the hopes of helping them understand it better, you essentially prevent SNL from feeding your parents' minds with outright disinformation and slander. Unless they've shown themselves to be incredibly stubborn at times over the smallest things, you gave up on your parents way too easily.
The head writer of the SNL skit was also Ned's really good friend and tried to make Ned to be the good guy in the situation.
...yeahhh, I thought it was weird that SNL acknowledged they know what's on TH-cam, especially immediately after ripping off a TH-cam video.
And Alex has a friend that works at SNL too
makes sense
that makes it both more understandable and *worse*
Not the head writer* but yeah
You hit the nail on the head. The Try Guys holding themselves accountable and taking sexual misconduct seriously is a threat to more established media companies and outlets everywhere. SNL, NYT, and other organizations with decades of skeletons in their closets have to either step up and follow the new model set by the Try Guys or try to invalidate that model by making fun of them. It's a lot cheaper to do the latter.
NYT of all outlets. Especially when they expect everyone to respect them for breaking the story that Weinstein was a serial rapist.
Where was the sexual misconduct? If anything that notion is highly sexist. Constantly victimizing women refusing to entertain the idea that maybe she initiated it.
@@grunclestanwannabe367 Power dynamics. Ned was the boss. The employee was an underling. Ned held the power in having the potential to take her job away or making her life miserable if he didn’t get his way. She did not have that power. This is the same for all companies - it’s an ethical and moral issue.
@@grunclestanwannabe367 Holding men accountable is not a sexist notion and it’s sexual misconduct because Ned had an extramarital affair with his EMPLOYEE. Also nobody is victimising Alex, everyones just pointing out that Ned was the one in a position of power meaning there’s an innate power imbalance whether Alex initiated it or not. Of course Alex is not blameless, but as the boss Ned had a bigger responsibility to not engage in the affair.
@@mazzanda Yes, because a woman using charm or seduction to get a higher position in life NEVER happens (/s) and in case it does happen it's apparently the man's fault for falling prey to that sort of thing instead of it being the woman's fault for resorting to underhanded and non-professional conduct in the first place. You seem to be getting things backwards here, that "power imbalance" is the whole reason why a situation like this needs to be handled with careful scrutiny and BOTH parties' perspectives have to be thoroughly examined seriously because power can be extremely tempting to people who don't have it and said people can resort to underhanded means to get closer to that power.
I'm not saying that this is definitely the situation and it's the fault of any one party, I'm just saying that people shouldn't be quick to make one sided blanket assumptions about anyone involved in any potentially sensitive situation. This is also ESPECIALLY true if it has anything to do with mainstream media or celebrities because then it quickly devolves into a game of Chinese whispers and who can scream the loudest or shell out the most money to record their take and present it as the gospel truth.
The Try Guys handled this with such professionalism and integrity, and the internet has recognized that and appreciated that in new media we do the right thing. I think it's very telling how traditional media has reacted to all this.
You're not kidding. I was so pleasantly surprised with the fact that the try guys were as transparent and professional as they were, addressing the issue on their podcast, main channel, and social media accounts. I have never seen such respect and care in how these issues are handled and I saw this as a positive sign of change.
@@cassidyr.4614 it was still alll an act, there is absolutely no way they didn't know about the affair and only responded because people came out and said they saw it happening.
@@houseofaction But the legal reprecussions still exist regardless of it blowing up or not, alex could still claim wrongful termination if she got let go and everyone in the company would be labelled implicit enablers of Ned.
@@houseofaction The guys said on their podcast they contacted third-party lawyers and HR professionals to defuse the situation as carefully as possible so that they can preserve the livelihoods and careers of themselves and the whole company.
@@houseofaction If you assume that silence is the default reaction and course of action within a company in light of a scandal, it definitely should not be and needs to change.
What the media thinks of digital creators ... it's so ironic ... they're just projecting. The MEDIA functions by fundamentally lying to their impressionable and easily manipulated audience, they just call out youtubers cause the youtubers actually take a stand against their BS.
Thank you, MatPat; you are incredible. We appreciate you.
sad that a rando youtuber has more honesty than all the media companies combined
@@dexnacorn7807 MatPat isn't really a "rando youtuber" anymore, hes the face of a very successful business, which I think that makes his honesty even more commendable. He knows his power as an infuencer and uses it for good.
@@brandonj7586 true very true
@@brandonj7586 yes but the news media will still think of even the most successful youtubers as random people even if they are way more successful than many mainstream celebrities(not to mention how youtubers are way less problematic).
I am incredibly proud of Matpat for being willing to speak up about how information is spread and can easily be mishandled. It's not easy and he's talking against companies who have been around for decades. But again, I'm glad that someone is starting this conversation, because as Matpat says, "It should be the new norm". So thank you.😊
They can come off as a bit, lefty at times on some things sometimes but as a whole seems like they try (pun or not) to care about things with those minor matters derived from a desire for niceness which can get someone in issues if not balanced against rationalist realism for specifically objective regards for reality first; But one the same per such points of view can have respect for someone who again at least does seem to care and again respects family.
*(To say when one cannot see woods for trees kind of stuff., but naivity isnt a sin.)
@@ZGuy0fSci I'm sorry, what did any of that mean? I understood all those words individually, but what exactly are you trying to say? And what do you mean they can be a bit lefty? Be specific.
@@ZGuy0fSci ..are you having a stroke?
@@MrGamelover23 glad I’m not the only one confused af lol. The person thinks they’re superior to others bc they know a bunch of advanced vocabulary yet they have no idea how to use it. They truly said nothing. It’s embarrassing 😬
@@ZGuy0fSci wtf are you saying I don’t understand a word coming out your mouth
I’m 53, my husband is 58. We love the Try Guys. I’ve been watching since the beginning. Our 17 yr olds watch them with us. The media coverage is BS. SNL pissed me off so badly. I’m so happy you did this video!
This is so wholesome ♥
SNL is a comedy show. You don't like their comedy then don't laugh or watch. The idea that you would think along with MatPat that comedians would write a skit where all of the historical aspects of the skit are 100 accurate shows me you are a woke social justice warrior. Was the SNL skit funny? Maybe or maybe not. But, they had a right to poke fun of any public figure. And yes, facts are not necessary in making a joke.
I wasn't expecting Matt to say anything about this, but I remember when the Try Guys did the podcast ep explaining everything Zach said he had to lie to Matt in his face and act like everything is fine , so to see Dadpat come out in full force really really warms my heart. The internet really knows how to have each other's back when we need to; especially with this entire situation going down. I'm just blown away by how mainstream media had the perfect opportunity to showcase this in a better light and even help pave the way forward with what the Try Guys did with holding Ned accountable, but nooooooooo it just screams jealousy imo, honestly for as old as the industry is you'd think they wouldn't need to grow up but here we are. Thank you for bringing these disgusting media outlets to the couch and giving them a good talking to Dadpat.
As a dad myself, I love the idea of Dadpat. You love your kids so you’ll go to bat for them. It’s pretty sweet I won’t lie.
@@jamesrogers7049 that's such an adorable way to think about it
Why did he lie to him? What is the context here?
They we’re working on removing Ned from the company, but the whole scandal hadn’t blown up yet (only handfuls of witnesses knew). So for legal reasons their hands were tied and they couldn’t speak about it. Honestly, don’t typically watch their podcasts but it was an enlightening listen.
It also makes me so frustrated that they think the Try Guys WEREN'T genuinely upset that a guy they'd been friends with who spoke almost exclusively about his love for his wife did, well, that. Eugene looks like he's barely holding it together because of how pissed he is. And we all know, through consuming their media, that Eugene can actually hide facial expressions decently well. But he looked like he was going to flip his lid
We should also note that one of the writers for that SNL sketch is Yale buddies with Ned, so of course they wouldn't put him in a bad light and therefore will skew it as much as possible to make his friend look like the good guy. This sketch was literally a guy who didn't hold his friend accountable for cheating and a workplace affair making fun of the friends who did
Kinda indicates the kind of trash that's really there on the other side of the tv screen.
TH-camrs make so much content with so few people that it's hard to hide their personality. Tv producers don't have that, and more and more are outted as horrible people.
I feel like matpat should've pointed this out, the writer is essentially slandering the tri guys while ignoring that Ned literally betrayed everyone, then again they're probably desensitized to sexual scandals hence why they're so ready to side with the cheater.
@@donutchan8114 I actually think matpat did that intentionally and it was the right choice. He kept the video strictly to the business side of why they did what they did to exemplify that how they felt did not matter at all. Are the Try Guys friends in real life? It certainly appears so, but the detonation of that friendship ultimately has no bearing on the business actions they took. By staying purely business focused it cuts the poor takes off at the knees and destroys any credibility they might have. Additionally dragging in other people that he doesn't know their intent (no matter how obvious it may look) opens himself to accusations of slander. There may be way too many coincidences for the writers actions to be a coincidence, but that doesn't make it proof.
In my class at school we are doing articles about how the media portrays people badly, cuts information, vague answers and such, this video is the perfect example calling out media and click bait authors who can't tell a true story for the life of them.
Perfect timing 😏😏😏😏
Yeah I've been distrustful of MSM since the 90s with the satanic panic.
Honestly feeling bad for all of them because aside from being business partners, they legitimately seemed like they were all having fun back when I've been watching them.
they didn't only lose a member, they lost a friend...
@@octo1129 nah man, they lost a family member
I think thats why the video left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths (I dont like how I worded that either but Im going with it)
I think a lot of people see friendship as something sacred and guys especially have things like "bro codes" where it is implied that they have each others backs even if the world turns on them.
A lot of people dont care about the controversy as much as the betrayal of friendship shown in the video because nobody really knows for sure what the details of the consensual relationship was BUT everyone knows how close the tryguys were (see other comments above calling them family).
And a lot of people probably feel like they would not have done the same in their shoes. I know that it would take a LOT for me to drag one of my friends across the internet to save my brand and this controversy would not make the cut.
Maybe I would have asked him to leave the channel to save it and the jobs of everyone involved but I dont think I would have made that video.
I think that the worst part is that Ned was friends and business partners with the other Try Guys and more importantly knew that this could affect them not only on a personal level but because he was the head of HR and in a relationship with a lower level employee which is a situation just rife with issues that could've very easily sunk the company and all of its employees financial lives. He knew not only that his actions could've hurt the business but would definitely have hurt his close friends who were also friends of his wife, and in the case of Eugene specifically someone who had suffered through being a child of divorce something Ned has now forced on his own daughter by making his own poor decisions. There's a reason why in that announcement Eugene was utterly pissed looking and it's because he knows some of the issues that Ned's daughter will encounter because of this from his own experience of a broken family.
Yes. Just yes, to all of this. The Try Guys cleaned up a very public mess made by their "friend" and business partner in the classiest, most forward thinking way possible. If you didn't already love the Try Guys, you certainly should now. This video hit the nail on the head. Thank you.🙌🏻
I have not watched one episode of their shows, but this drama made me gain MASSIVE respect for the trio and the Try Guys fanbase for sticking by Ned's poor wife.
@@carolinemcgovern4488 That's not what they did, they stuck by their business and that's it. They should have kept him on, and fired her.
@@PyroGam3sthat’s not smart or morally correct 😭 usually u stick with one or the other but you’re dumb enough to dismiss both
They gained so much more of my respect after this.
@@PyroGam3s why would they keep on the boss who slept with one of his employees???? do you have any idea how many lawsuits that could cause ofc they fired him
And MatPat shows once again why I couldn't stomach the journalism industry anymore after graduating college and why I love his channels so much.
Important to note that in the trypod episode addressing some of this, they said that Ned actually has connections to one of the writers of SNL which may have contributed to the problematic skit. As a kid I always felt like I was missing out by not watching SNL but now I'm glad not to have been exposed to that kind of toxic garbage.
Nah, SNL is amazing. Don't let one bad apple ruin the premise of live comedy for you. Because there's a lot of good, up and coming talent off there, and good representation as well. Has been for the past 6 years or so. And who doesn't like Kenan Thompson?
some of snl is very good and some is very bad. whether you would like to consume and enjoy the good separately from the bad or stay away from it entirely is up to you but i just thought i would let you know
@@jamesryder8305 bro they literally steal skits lmao
Apparently two of the writers of SNL, one of whom is a head writer, are best friends with Ned from college, and Ned has admitted at one point that he'd absolutely choose his college friends over the Try Guys.
When I was a kid, we loved watching SNL until they did a cartoon/live action special where at the end the animated superhero tells a couple of live action guys that in order to go to this special place, they had to be blindfolded and they also have to strip off all their clothes. My brother was trying to imitate them and my mom saw him do this and she punished us both by not allowing us to watch SNL anymore. We saw it again as we got older but it's not as funny when ur older. SNL is kinda up there with Family Guy in the crude humor. Just something to watch when u feel juvenile.
Tbh the people I feel the most bad for is Ned and Ariel’s kids. Not only did their dad cheat on their mom, they also have to grow up with millions of people knowing about it and having it documented online
Oh my god. Thank you for bringing up the employee/ boss sexual misconduct aspect. That drove me crazy when I saw the skit. How they could have had it so backwards. I actually think Keith, zack, and Eugene handled this situation beautifully.
I really hope this is how MatPat has serious convos with his son, and always end it with, “But hey, that’s just a theory. A Dad Theory!”
As a former child, if my dad did that, I'd appreciate it a lot lol.
@Seeing Star Dude why?
Andddd im getting milk!
That would be adorable!
omg yes
I saw the thumbnail and was horrified that Mattpat was going to do some wacky theory video. So relieved and pleasantly surprised
Originally, the thumb nail was of the SNL sketch IIRC. I’m guessing changing it promotes more clicks from people who need to hear this perspective
Facts I got so scared, I’m glad he talks about this though
I was worried too! I almost avoided it. But I'm glad the vid went in this direction.
@@LilBruno63 honestly the only reason I clicked was because I was SURE that Mat wouldn’t actually feel that way towards the Tri Guys, having watched him for so long I was hopeful that he was coming at this informed and objectively, and I was not disappointed
I don't know how this guy is and was weirded out by the thumbnail in my recommended. Did not want to watch the video, just went to the comments to see what is it all about.
In all of this, I feel so bad for Ariel and family for what Ned did.
Thing is we have no clue what was going on in their relationship. Maybe theirs is an open one? It really wasn't anyone's business (aside from the whole workplace issue thing).
@@ZiddersRooFurry in open relationships you talk to your partner, not just go to whoever. You can still cheat in open relationships.
@@catherunrose2289 This is completely true. However, from what I understand, Ned wasn't "going to whoever." He had a very specific relationship with one individual, which makes this case far more likely to be from a consensual, open relationship. I mean, it raises the chances from, like, 0.5% to 2%, but, still.
@@LittleZbot It's not consensual with Ariel. Open relationships aren't "Well we're open and me and this person is okay with it so we can." It's asking your partner(s), working together(no matter how many people are in it, which was in this case was a marriage.) It doesn't matter if it's open or if (in this case) Ned and Alex are okay with it unless Ariel is ALSO okay with it.
The only thing Alex and Ned consenting does is say Ned wasn't abusing Alex(or reversed.)
@@catherunrose2289 you are misunderstanding what theyre saying, we dont know whether or not Ariel consented or did not consent to it in the case that the relationship was open. Everyone knows that you need to clear it with your partner in an open relationship.
I did notice that the group was hurt that Ned lied to them. They don't want to talk badly about him because they were long-time friends. Better to keep it simple and keep it business related
that's a great POV - I can't imagine the emotional stress on them trying to shift from seeing Ned as "good friend" to "bad friend."
Not only did Ned lie to them - he put their entire company at jeopardy, their entire career, the company they all had built together from the ground up. I cant even imagine the betrayal and hurt they would feel over that.
I love how furious Matt is about how the whole thing has been covered. It bothered me really badly too, I just couldn’t frame it as eloquently as he has
How has matpat gone from the “wild theory guy” to the “one of the only reliable mainstream sources to cover and make sense of media coverage of online events guy”
Right?!
You should check out Philip DeFranco
That’s the hidden 4th channel he hasn’t told us about yet
But remember that time he "gifted" the pope by gifting him a copy of Undertale? What a TH-cam Prankster.
@@orangeapples really? you're going there? what a troll.
It's also kinda weird to me that the media companies are in defense of someone who did something legitimately bad, and try to make fun of the friends/coworkers that are angry with them. I'd be so angry to learn that one of my closest friends was cheating on the person they promised their entire life to.
If they put blame on the actual wrongdoer, then questions start being asked about larger companies. And of course those larger companies dish out the money to keep media from bringing up those questions.
If you get angry at your friends for doing bad things every time, you won’t have any friends.
I presume the mainstream media companies are so toxic they have to know that out of necessity.
@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana idk, I think it's pretty hard to forgive someone who cheats on their wife. Its such a huge breach of trust and speaks volumes about someone's character. Those aren't the people I'd want to surround myself with.
@@bingdiggus8579 If you dig enough into someone, you’ll find some dirt somewhere.
right? even though they're business partners, theyre still friends with each other. they get along and their interactions are natural, so theyre still going to be hurt on a personal level when they find out their partner/friend cheated on his wife.
I don't think I've ever seen MatPat this pissed off before... It's pretty scary.
Bro I got that same mini koala wtf lol
Makes me glad he is on the side of good! 😊
You haven't seen Mario is a Psychopath?
Yeah, it is always terrifying when the level headed person loses it. My boyfriend is like that and brother, it is scary when men like MatPat and my BF get actually mad cuz someone dun FCKED up. It’s like a canary in a mine. It started screaming shts gone sideways. 😨
Matpat needs to make the final theory channel Media Theory! Where he gets to sit, talk, roast, and correct the media on everything they're doing wrong from news articles to sports coverage and more
I read that as Meta Theory at first.
That's a good title too. Media theorising about media :)
I know you have a lot of faith in Mat and his buds but making a channel like that would be too much hassle. Just make a couch time play list and leave it at that.
@@greenbookreclaim2471 oh 100% they'd have to expand to make it happen. They do so much as it as
The media will just go for the jugular and attack his family, sadly. They are brutal and really don't like TH-camrs calling them out for their nonsense.
The remaining Try Guys handled the situation professionally. They were forced to get a video to explain the situation as the issue was arising many rumors just from reddit and tweets.
Tell me you didn’t watch the video without telling me you didn’t watch the video.
Yeah, you clearly didn't watch the video
heh heh
Absolutely
I'm convinced the reason the mainstream media is trying to pain them as the bad guys is because they're upset that internet drama was all over the news instead of celebrity drama
That’s a part of it, part of them not liking how culture has changed
The biggest part is, The Try Guys showed up main stream media and did exactly what a company is supposed to do in situations like this. Many companies don’t like doing the right thing.
Orrrr it's just neds friends at snl that were actually listed as writers for that skit. They got so much hate and still do for that sketch, rightfully so.
if ned had an affair with someone who wasn't apart of the company, he'd still have his job, this realistically had NOTHIGN todo with the fact it was an affair, and entirely todo with the fact it was a romantic relationship between employee and co-founder which caused a bad power balance, and opened the company up to potentially very serious legal action if things didn't work out, or issues arised.
I kind of wonder if he would, though. It's not the same as a normal media personality. He made his persona "the wife guy." His wife and family were even involved in his endeavors. I agree that he would have been less likely to be fired but to say he would not be fired at all... Considering the persona he put forward and how he's pursued his career, I'm not so sure. I feel like fans would have called for his firing, honestly. It seems like he's a scummy person apart from questionable relationships with subordinates and I feel like The Try Guys might have wanted to distance themselves from that.
True, I think it would sour their relationships as friends though, and I'm not sure what the right way would be to handle it.
I think that even if Ned cheated with someone outside of the company the Try Guys would have still fired him. The whole character (as he portrayed himself on the channel) he brought to the table was him being a "loving husband" dedicated to his lovely wife and kids. Cheaters don't fit that character.
Nah, Ned would've been gone no matter who he cheated with. Of course, him getting together with an employee did not help his case, but his whole brand on the try guys was "I love my wife" that brand is broken, he doesn't provide a shtick to the group after that except bad media coverage.
@@miau6451 I don’t think they would have had a case to fire him if it wasn’t an employee. It definitely would have made the work environment uncomfortable tho so he might have left/stopped appearing in videos
I had no idea how bad Zach, Keith, and Eugene had it so bad. I feel awful for them. If you ask me they were in the right with this whole situation
you said bad two times
@@Matt-pd5dh it was bad enough to warrant the second bad.
@@Matt-pd5dh that’s how bad it was
Uhm yes duh? Obviously they were right
Obviously
Thank you Matt. It's honestly shocking that those articles dont acknowledge at all that Ned built his brand on being loyal to his wife and kids.
in the removal of ned video, eugene’s expression the entire time is just so piercing. it’s clear that they were all trying to show themselves as taking it calmly, but eugene was just so upset at the situation that he couldn’t hide his feelings. when he’s speaking you can hear it too
Apparently they knew about this all last year and are just damage controlling.
@@kikinatrone got any credible sources?
@@thehwguy4293 "source: trust me bro!"
He grew up with divorced parents and he's bestfriends with Ariel so I believe that adds up more rage to him.
@@kikinatrone yeah no...
I didn’t know I needed Matt articulately yelling about how out of touch the media is but it’s amazing. Thank you Matpat you’re a good dude.
The most disturbing thing is how the mainstream media doesn't condemn the fact he cheated on his wife and acting like that's an ok thing to do.
yes
If they did that they’d lose half their customers💀
Exactly, like even if there were no legal troubles why is it bad that they're upset he cheated on his wife, the mother of his children?
SNL's political spectrum is in the line of supporting things like polyamory. Doesn't surprise me.
@@ReinTenebres There's a difference between being polyamorous and cheating. If he and his wife decided to have an open or polyamorous relationship, that would be totally fine. However, in this case, at least as far as we know, their relationship was a closed one and so the situation isn't polyamory, it's just plain old cheating.
This is such a high quality roast, mainstream media really need to be called out more for all their behavior.
Agreed.
Ned’s personal brand was largely based on how much he loves his wife, so I see why the try guys felt like they had to pack him up.
It's also about legal reasons - Ned was their HR department. And he was the one breaking California law with how he was taking advantage of his employees.
It wasn’t really a ‘felt like’ situation, more of a legal obligation, and a moral one, especially since they have a load of employees to look after.
@@AnEmu404 Here's why I agree with the "felt like" comment - it was the morally right thing to do. And the Tri Guys have proven multiple times that the morally right thing to do is what they'll do.
It's so hilariously ironic, as if this whole affair is a part of the bit.
But it wasn't.
@@fallen_star2319 An Emu already mentioned the moral obligation involved.. My issue with the “felt like” wording is that it heavily implies that the Try Guys would not have fired Ned if the scandal didn’t blow up on the internet. They didn’t feel like firing Ned, they needed to. It was their responsibility as managers.
I'm sure it has already been said but the SNL sketch was written by Bowen Yang and Ned's best friend from college, could that be the reason his horrific behavior was minimized?
I'm glad Matpat and the team took the time to go over this and expose the senseless coverage the media has done about this situation. Inmense respect to the film theorists for coming forward for the Tri guys
Tbh I was scared he was going to say something about the tri guys. But him calling out the bs is just amazing as their friend
Facts
Same, I was worried he might somehow defend Ned since his wife Stephanie still follows Ned on Instagram but I'm so happy that wasn't the case and attacking traditional media in their hypocrisy
@@TheSamuraiforever It's easy to just forget that you're following someone. I didn't realise I was still following Ned until I wanted to check if there were any more new updates like a week or 2 ago.
It doesn't even go that far; MatPat was pretty neutral when discussing the TryGuys themselves.
Literally this, I was worried but he's just. So good
Fun fact: Colin Jost came to my college for a comedy show after that skit aired and I asked him how long they spent writing that skit and he just moved on to the next question.
Oop! Makes him look super sus.
Kinda hard to believe
Also he wasn’t a writer.
@@potatogaming7044 he's one of the head writers and the SNL head writers along with Lorne and the host help decide what sketches get on so even if he didn't write it got on partly because of him
I’m not defending them, but Colin didn’t write the sketch. Also, ik he’s head writer so things probably get approved by him, but knowing what I do about Lorne Michaels, Lorne probably forced it into the episode because that’s how most of SNL’s unfunny, out of touch sketches get through to the live episodes
I remember in the past that the Try Guys were one of the few TH-camrs who had gained a lot of widespread legitimacy. Their reputation was pristine, they were professional, brand friendly, and family friendly. I wasn’t at all surprised when they were picked up by the Food Network for a TV show for that reason. I think that BECAUSE they helped legitimize online content creators they are now being targeted by more traditional media outlets in a larger attempt to discredit the broader online community. If they can make it seem through this incident that the Try Guys never deserved their popularity and respect, they can make it seem like “see this is why you should never trust online creators. They’re immature. More likely to get into scandal. They are just popular, but not a good long term investment for your brand versus more stable old guard media companies.” I do think the Me Too movement and the skeletons in their closet play into this, but I still feel like that’s not enough to justify the so odd, out of touch responses by The NY Times and SNL. It makes more sense to me as a business strategy designed to paint content creators as unstable brands on the whole, trying to get investors to go back to traditional media, like traditional media is the stock market and online content creators are penny stocks. Sure you might get your ad to more viewers, but how will you feel when the online creator releases immature content that is then reflected onto your brand? Thought of this during MatPat’s beautiful rant.
Looking up their history, SNL habitually supports sexual abusers, and they refused to do a skit on Weinstein at all. SNL does not surprise me with defending Ned, especially knowing he has 2 writer friends who work there. What is appalling is NYT, which broke the Weinstein story. Entertainment journalists had been trying to get a victim to talk for 20 years! NYT made it happen! For NYT to support Ned…that is absolutely deplorable and I feel some rich person put them up to it. I have noticed that before. They once wrote an article about a rich brat who broke quarantine while visiting another country. No one bleeping cared except her rich family who had connections to NYT.
MatPat POPPED OFF and I am HERE FOR IT. I'll be honest I was waiting for his statement or opinion of the try guys stuff but this was so so much better. This is an incredible analysis and deconstruction of the problems with media nowadays. Thank you so much Matthew
all tine great popoff
SaltyPat is still gives the most accurate information, and I am here for it!
It’s also important to remember Ned was not just another boss; he was the co-founder of a very popular TH-cam channel and of the company she was employed at. He is also famous and recognizable to many people. Ned not only could have had her fired in an instant, but quite possibly reduced her ability to get another job or even ruin her life if she did not do what he wanted. There is no way to know if the relationship was coerced. The fact Ned is not criticized more for this abuse of power is honestly sickening. I really appreciate that MatPat brought it up.
All of this actually made me think about some stuff that my dad would talk about. For contacts my father worked in unemployment for the Colorado Department of Labor and he knew unemployment law better than some barred lawyers probably. What net did wasn't just dangerous from the standpoint of a boss and subordinate. It was dangerous because not only was he a co-owner of a very profitable brand their success was very much tied to other brands. Think about it they had ties to things at Target at Amazon patreon and other companies they were a conglomerate in the making or at least the closest thing to an online conglomerate that you can get in the TH-cam space. Now all videos with him in them are either going to have to be deleted or re-edited and re-uploaded which if done so is messy. Because that could constitute legal action that he could take against the other three co-founders of the company. On top of that even though he's been fired and most likely bought out of the company if the employees still working there. She is most likely going to be dealing with a potentially hostile work environment. This was so publicly done that even though they were most likely steps taken so that she couldn't see the company there still could be grounds that she could have a civil case against Ned and the other try guys.
Or they were just having an affair😂 not everything has a deep backstory. People cheat. And it’s pretty common for it to happen between people who work together.
@@e.l.b2640 not when he's co-owner of the company she works for
@@samlynch7463 "between people who worked together" is not the same thing as an employee and the co-owner of the company. Even if you aren't cheating you still shouldn't be getting involved with someone you have such a huge amount of financial control over.
@@samlynch7463 it’s not something to laugh at. he is a father of 2 and i’m pretty sure was trying for a third with his wife. it is deep. cheating culture is deep. it ruins lives. not just of the selfish assholes who do it, but their families. alex also had a fiancé who she was dating for 10 years. the commonality of cheating does not ever make it okay. it does not make it logical or rational. and also i’m pretty sure his second child was born weeks before he started seeing alex. so yeah. it’s a deep and serious matter.
Respect I have for matpat to explain the entire situation in such a manner that was not rude but on point
ikr, a game theorist made better news that actually stick to the point thsn actual news article
This Matt guy is doing the exact same ahit he is complaining about.He is forcing his biased opinion onto his audience,rather then just presenting ALL of the information from start to finish,and allow people to use their own intelligence to draw THEIR own conclusions.He is using his platform to push his agenda,rather then just present the facts as they truly are.He really lost the point of this almost instantly,when here he isn't,using his media platform,to push his own biased opinion,and tell people how they should be feeling.This is also the third time I've pointed this out,quite fairly so,and not rudely whatsoever,and yet my other messages keep mysteriously disappearing.The great influence of the media again.Its really hard to mention that he is also simply using this whole situation to further his own channel,and views,when he could have kept this to a private reflection channel,away from his main work...But here he is,milking the views,and using someone else's name,and fame to do it...Seems pretty suspect to me.
@@jeffdroog you wrote so much and still managed to say so little
@@megan-wl1ym Did I? Or are you just too slow to understand the basic hypocrisy displayed by this particular youtuber,in this particular video?
Mentioning them being New York Times bestselling authors is killer against the NYC’s argument
Also a point a lot of people aren't noticing or forget: Ned went to Yale (a university that has a huge chunk of people from there working in that newspaper) and had a friend at snl that is a script writer... It's interesting the ones claiming he's right, are by chance the ones that are connected to him in some way
He did say in an old video he was once in a frat house in his time at Yale, so that should speak volumes of how much of a “nice guy” he really is.
he actively mentioned an SNL writer's name in a TryPod episode (or whatever tf it was called i forget) and that WAS one of the writers for the exact skit.
You know we live in the worst timeline when youtubers have more integrety than most industry or country leaders
You can say that again!
who asked?
@@dinogt8477 you asked
Exactly. This isn't even about cheating or branding or any of that. This is about problematic workplace behavior.
I personally really like having videos like this about serious things involving the greater TH-cam as a whole. It’s almost like the “drama channels” of old but with actual content. I hope more stuff like this is made. It’s nice to see matpat get genuinely invested in something and you can hear real passion in his voice about what he’s talking about.
even tho i loved this video and how hes being a dad to the youtube i kinda hope these types of couch videos keep to be not as often cause 1) we all know how the internet would turn on him for having an opinion on controversial stuff and 2) i just hope these stuff wont happen that often also cuz poor matpat seems to be way too stressed about it. and frankly i am too.
sorry for gramatical errors. not my first language
Absolutely. As much as I enjoy Game, Film, and Food Theories, whenever Mat Pat does a video like this that gets into real world topics I wish I could double like them. I've honestly shared more of these types of his videos than the others because I love how informative they are on real world topics. Keep up the good work (and don't stop the nerdy topics lol)
It's time like this that I remember just how intelligent MatPat is. He often comes across as goofy and careless in his videos, but it's moments like these I'm reminded just how well he knows the world of online business.
He has degrees in psychology and theatre from Duke University
A friggin' visionary!!!
With very bad timing; I wouldn't be surprised if CNN declares bankruptcy by tomorrow, or the Try Guys create a prank channel during this week 👀
Tbf you don’t get hired for consulting jobs around the world if you’re not intelligent.
he *does* consult with other business owners to help them be successful :D
He was one of the more mature people when it came to the Scott cawthon drama
Disappointed dadpat has come back in full force and I'm here for it. Wish he didn't have to break it out, especially not so often, but I learn something and thoroughly enjoy the resulting videos every time. As someone who is certified to run a business, I was impressed by how the guys handled the situation. It was literally textbook, all the right steps taken, the person being held accountable, and as much transparency as possible to rebuild trust with their audience. To see how SNL and now the Times are treating it is an absolute travesty, I can only imagine what working there must be like if this coverage is anything to go by.
Dadpat 🥹
The Try Guys dared to hold a powerful man accountable for his actions. And some powerful men are very scared of that idea.
@@ToyKeeper Very true, and I'm very proud of the guys for it!! But for SNL and NYT to talk about it and be so visibly afraid like this is, at bare minimum, a terrible PR decision. If you don't want people to think you're in a similar situation or to talk about you being in a similar situation, don't talk about or make light of similar situations 🤦♀
Most likely why people don’t look at their content. (I don’t)
Now that this video is almost a year old, I have some conjecture to add since around this time of year YT likes to push older content:
Ned mentioned in one of the podcast videos (can't remember which) that one of his college buddies from Yale worked as a writer on SNL, and how he was hoping to use that connection at some point to get the guys on the show.
He never mentioned that friend by name, but the sleuths of the internet could easily find the name of this friend, and cross-reference it with the writing credits of that sketch.
Considering that the sketch doesnt mention Ned by name at all and completely villifies the Try Guys for a common-sense business decision, I wouldnt be surprised if he called in a favor to that friend in an attempt to tarnish the brand that he was no longer a part of. 🤔
I think it says a lot about the writers of these articles/skits, that they blame the three guys for explaining the situation and apologising, but gloss over the fact that Ned CHEATED ON HIS AMAZING WIFE (and thus also betrayed his son).
This is 20 minutes of MatPat going off and I love every second of it.
Same!
I deliberately avoided reports on the Try Guys drama, but it’s nice to be able to count on integrity from MatPat
the thing was, they were friends AND buisness partners, keiths wife and neds wife were friends the guys regularly watched neds kids, ned was their friend and co owner which must have stung so much to know someone who they were friends with and trusted enough to start a buisness with would betray them, their employees, their company, and put them in a position of potential lawsuit
This is so perfectly worded, I’m doing an essay for my college class about how the media totally missed on the try guys controversy. I didn’t even think of the TH-camrs POV and how the media portrays them as “pranksters” it’s so interesting
It's not just the Try Guys though, MSM always portrays content creators as "less genuine", "view seeking"; it's as if they paint MSM and content creators as nemesis.
If you work in MSM you have a "real job" while content creators are just "lazy people looking for a quick buck". I could rant for days about this xD
@@jeddybear5909 It's not just with content creators it's even with things like the Libyan invasion, court cases and many American military conflicts.
Seems like you might have a new reference for your paper. It especially helps with “potential lawsuits” and “bankruptcy” brought in, a language past generations know of better.
Yes, "pranksters" is up there with "thug"; words MSM uses to try to diminish and undermine certain groups of people to make them seem bad, undesirable, and as someone else said, "the enemy."
@@alphonsemaina8293 there is discrimination of all sorts across all kinds of people and groups, no one is arguing that, I was just pointing out one particular discrimination against content creators that was influenced by MSM as it was relevant to OP.
Few things bring me as much joy as a good MatPat rant. 👍👍
….omg Brizzy Voices! You were my childhood!!
Oi, Viola!!!
Wel said, Briz. Matt always seems to have well researched, and professional takes on things like this. SNl/NYT really messed up here
up also eyyyy I love ur content Brizzy!!!💖
His rage matches mine. And that’s comforting.
I was really comforted by The Try Guy's explanation vid. It assured me that they wouldn't do what so many companies have done. They won't let someone get away with illicit relationships with employees. That bodes really well considering that means if there were other employees being made to feel uncomfortable they can be confident that they could go to one of those three and the issue would be handled, and any victims would be believed.
The problem is that people are painting the woman Ned had an affair with as a "victim" when in reality she likely was pushing for the relationship just as much as Ned was. She shouldn't get sympathy for her part in all this.
Nothing wrong with dating your employee
@@kingbaguette1843 if they're your subordinate, it's likely misconduct, however. So, yeah, dating your married boss will get the boss fired and likely put you in a horrible position.
@@jerichonikolai Cheating on your wife is wrong, however I see nothing morally wrong with dating your subordinate. There simply ain’t no head like secretary head.
@@kingbaguette1843 He was HR. HR is who you go to when there's an issue of workplace misconduct. If she didn't want to do something with him, he could have ruined her career. This is why you can't f*ck your secretary. Because it can easily lead to abuse.
The emotions they tried not to show in the video spoke louder than anything else.
Eugene’s anger could never be acting.
Also Ned has bragged about having an old college friend that writes for SNL and it quiet possible he was one that worked on that sketch. Which if true adds a whole other level of mess to this situation. It was so hard to watch them trivialize what could've been a career ending blow
ngl I feel like it could be a stretch but these days you don’t know
@@JesusFlores-rw8ry i believe that will stephen, ned’s friend, was actually confirmed to be a writer on the sketch
@@PinkVidalia -- Nothing like kicking a "friend" when he's down.
@@JesusFlores-rw8ry from what I've gathered its most likely true, Ned has spoken on the try pod about his friend who writes for SNL, Alex (The affair partner) asked if he was talking about steven/stephen and he confirmed yes, looking at his socials he follows and is followed by a will steven/stephen who works for SNL and is credited in the skit as one of the writers
@@novafova29 So basically the skit might be like that not only because they need to cover their own history...but also personal bias?
I got scared when I read the title but as soon as I realized what this video was truly all about, I just have one thing to say to you MatPat: THANK YOU!
Same here. Got scared for a brief second then was like 'nah MatPat is smarter than that' and I was correct.
I'm so glad he actually stood up for the guys here. Seeing news outlets and SNL covering the event the way they did was driving me insane.
I have no idea what MatPat must be like in real life to work for, but if this is even a fraction of how seriously he takes workplace safety issues then I'd give anything to make him my boss.
let me work for you, oh great and powerful theorist!
For real
Workplace safety? Tf does this have to do with safety
@@cajunking5987 if your boss is pursuing a romantic or sexual relationship with you, it puts you at risk because they have the potential to fire you if you don’t reciprocate. Also if a lawsuit occurs like the ones Matt mentioned, that could put a company out of business or cause them to have to do mass layoffs to save money. So staying on top of this kind of situation is important in ensuring the job security of your employees. So not “work safety” as in gloves and eye protection but work safety as in protecting your employees careers and giving them a safe workplace where they don’t need to worry about being pressured with sexual misconduct to continue their employment
@@Shoulderpads-mcgee that’s simply not safety hun
You can tell the genuine emotions of the guys in the couch. They are upset, sad, and angry in turn. You can’t fake the genuine, you know it when you see it.
I know Matt has a ton on his plate already, but I would just love something like a podcast where he can ramble and rant for as long as he likes and about whatever he likes. The power wash episode with Mark was an excellent example.
Yeah he’s really insightful
I agree with this. A podcast where he gives an adult point of view on adult topics. I would tune in.
He did do a podcast, it was GTeaLive, but he felt that it was too much for Him and Steph
@@kylasharron4126 I would too
@@jacobalvarado8277 its not that it was too much but i think because they were too busy, thats why steph had to step down the gtlive channel altogether, because they were too busy trying to manage 3 channels, 1 live stream (non live now) channel and a business to run with Theorist Media. But matpat can wish to do his own podcast cause he honestly just do that in it of itself in his talks on the VODs in GTLive Channel where they play a game and the he go off on a tangent and talk random stuff with his coworker behind the scene
MatPat is really out there saying the real stuff about companies. Traditional news outlets like SNL and NYT have lost all respect from their younger audiences for completely missing the mark on a very serious situation.
Snl ain’t news it’s just shitty comedy.
SNL is a news outlet?
Traditional news outlets like SNL? What?
No, they didn't "miss the mark". This was a very intentional "misunderstanding" from legacy media in their constant sour grapes effort to trivialize what is replacing them. Maybe the boomers that still watch SNL and read the NYT can rejoice in them owning those newfangled technologies like youtube.
@@charlesfuzak Idk what it is, but it definitely doesn't do comedy anymore.