“Your ability to lead teams as an organizational administrative leader is what will unlock your potential as a worship leader. It’s not going to be how well you can sing a song.” - Brian Wahl, Worship Tutorials
Worship is firstly unto god and not for ourselves. So we must be careful to meet god standard for us to worship him. We must also consider those we are leading and not focus on ourselves. Our skills are important but that's not the major focus of worship, personal interests come very very at last pick in worship. I have video related to learning worship leader, in which I will recommend for anybody anywhere. m.th-cam.com/video/AaxpyzAMPNs/w-d-xo.html
Thank you, both Brians for that very practical insight. I'm a "worship leader in training" if you will. This will help me when I start leading worship on my college campus soon. Blessings from Washington State (Bellingham to be exact.)
Good advice man sometimes I feel like "winging it" or over confident. Never a good idea. Even if you know the songs it's always good to go over them. A little humility to practice even if you are confident.
@@rickgrebenik8140 you shouldn't though. No one is above practice. Even the best of the best musicians practice. As a matter of fact the best musicians practice harder then anyone in the room. Tis why they so good.
@@hotman718 don't need to practice when the songs are easy, Tomlin songs etc, very easy, now with classical and jazz etc, it's a different game, it's unending hours of practice, but not with worship songs,
Right. I hear what you're saying, but none of this has anything to do with leading worship, which is primarily a pastoral role - maybe even a priestly role. We are privileged to invite others into the presence of God to worship him. There's a well known and possibly apocryphal story about Matt Redman and Heart of Worship that we all should be learning from every week. It's all about him.
Great advice! Yep I've done all of those things, thank you for giving me something to work on! It is difficult in a small church to find players, and when people are out we don't have much in the way of back ups. That is something I really hope to work on. Keep up the great work guys!
Another one I would add, and this is a big pet peeve for me and relates to your first point about ‘winging it’, is not having things written down. Many of the CCLI/SongSelect arrangements lack intros, outros, transitions and the like. Not sure why. Maybe because they want to leave those up to the leader to fit those into their setlist? (Someone could clarify this for me.) And often during rehearsal, at least in our case, these transitions are improvised on the spot and orally indicated without writing it down. So when service comes around, there’s a pretty good chance for a ‘crash’ (that point in the song where half the band plays what was spoken about but not written down and the rest forget and the song sputters. Which is really bad because people are immediately taken out of that intimate worship space and distracted. Personally, I take notes during the rehearsal and write furiously because A: it’s not written down anywhere else and B: I say furiously because it’s a time-intensive process to write musical instructions and the rest of the group, who are not taking any notes other than mental, are moving ahead. I’m a musician and not a leader, so it’s not really up to me to nail down the full arrangement in place of the leader. Similarly to that point, leaders should come into rehearsal prepared with the full order and arrangements ready to go rather than making song choices and picking keys and the like while the team is sitting and waiting to start. It often happens that we will have completed rehearsing just the first song in the setlist almost an hour into rehearsal time. A properly prepared rehearsal should take 60-90 minutes maximum to get through a five-song setlist with several run-throughs of each selection. Anyway, guys. Thanks for a great series. Keep up the good work.
I had a serious question I wanted to ask you guys. My church badly needs help on our worship team. The skill level is subpar to what it could be in a lot of people get nothing out of the worship because it’s bad. I have learned contemporary worship before, but I have never served in the office of worship leader and I am not in that office now. What can I do to make humble suggestions, and how can I help improve the overall quality of the music and the skill of some of the musicians without offending anyone?
Dustin Whitesell also, we should be able to meet together and start belting out a song without any instruments and still have an amazing worship experience, which is dependent on the presence of the Holy Spirit. If He only showed up when the music was as close to perfect as possible, a lot of Christians would be in trouble because a lot of them aren't musically gifted. And many of us who have worshippers hearts are not necessarily musically inclined either. Yet we're reaching up for heaven the hardest and singing unto the Lord in our hearts all day long.
I'm just banging my head now hearing that leadership I interact with are guilty of all these things. Despite offered help, their actions always fall back on the, "it's always been done this way" mentality with no indication of positive steps toward improvement. I suppose the question now is figuring out how to anonymously send this to leadership without seeming passive aggressive....Blah
Why be anonymous? I feel like that's a giant problem we have as people in church. We want to avoid conflict but forget that by not directly addressing issues, we're essentially making them worse. Write up a letter. Deliver your points in a sit down with your leadership and focus on working together to make everything better :)
musicians are not and never have been "worship leaders. The Pastor is the worship leader. To much focus on band based models which are not at all biblical. Where in the NT do we find musicians at the center of worship?
Captain 345 That's a sorry excuse. Countless saints have died for the gospel. If that's all it took to stop you, you'll never make it to the narrow gate. Just join a cult like Islam, social justice or Mormons.
@@lkae4 And it's comments like this that don't make me want to change my mind because I could easily say that same about you. You might want to take a good look at yourself before you go judging others. And to be honest it was not just the Pastor, it was many members of the diaconate lied, made up excuses refused to talk to myself or my wife at all. This is a church we we're involved with for over 15 years. My parents we're members, even my mother was on the diaconate board before she died, and gave a substantial portion of her estate when she died. So if this is how "The Church" treats it's on longstanding members there is obviously a problem. There is more, but I really don't care to explain. So no that wasn't "all it took".
Sorry that you had a bad experience with your church and pastor. There are a lot of people that are in the same boat as you are where it was people who failed them in the church causing them to leave. I do ask if you have even just a slight percentage in your being which still wants to believe I hope that you may return to the faith not just to rekindle a relationship with church itself but with God, He can do so much for you if you are willing to put trust in Him. If you are able to, go to a new church look around, pray, and find that place of worship where they help you encounter God and not try to push you down or ignore you. It may take some time but put your trust in God :)
Captain 345 I have no desire to change your mind. My only desire to expose your entitled victim mentality and warn others of this watered down fake consumer Christianity. Jesus died so that we could have life everlasting. The martyrs and saints sacrificed and died so that the love of Christ would shine in this dark world. Even the legacy of your mother will help many and her tears in heaven will be of happiness at the fruits of her generosity and the pride of Jesus for his faithful daughter. You, on the other hand, will reap your harvest and it will not be tears of joy. I can understand why people stopped talking to you. No one likes being around a self-identified victim. Peace.
@@ebenselby2540 situation is that most are lazy and want pay for worship leading, when one is paid it's notych a sacrifice, I do it for free but I haven't found a church that needs worship leader, I don't even like the sound of that title, how about music helper? Everyone wants these titles, sick of it
“Your ability to lead teams as an organizational administrative leader is what will unlock your potential as a worship leader. It’s not going to be how well you can sing a song.” - Brian Wahl, Worship Tutorials
Sing with passion and conviction with annointing out does what you mentioned
Worship is firstly unto god and not for ourselves.
So we must be careful to meet god standard for us to worship him.
We must also consider those we are leading and not focus on ourselves.
Our skills are important but that's not the major focus of worship, personal interests come very very at last pick in worship.
I have video related to learning worship leader, in which I will recommend for anybody anywhere.
m.th-cam.com/video/AaxpyzAMPNs/w-d-xo.html
Thank you, both Brians for that very practical insight. I'm a "worship leader in training" if you will. This will help me when I start leading worship on my college campus soon. Blessings from Washington State (Bellingham to be exact.)
Good advice man sometimes I feel like "winging it" or over confident. Never a good idea. Even if you know the songs it's always good to go over them. A little humility to practice even if you are confident.
You can wing it easier as a soloist,
@@rickgrebenik8140 you shouldn't though. No one is above practice. Even the best of the best musicians practice. As a matter of fact the best musicians practice harder then anyone in the room. Tis why they so good.
@@hotman718 don't need to practice when the songs are easy, Tomlin songs etc, very easy, now with classical and jazz etc, it's a different game, it's unending hours of practice, but not with worship songs,
Good word
Rick Grebenik what do you mean? That goes for any genre, practice makes you better and stay fresh. Even if you’re singing “Open the eyes to me Heart”
Right. I hear what you're saying, but none of this has anything to do with leading worship, which is primarily a pastoral role - maybe even a priestly role. We are privileged to invite others into the presence of God to worship him.
There's a well known and possibly apocryphal story about Matt Redman and Heart of Worship that we all should be learning from every week. It's all about him.
🤣 the intro “you actually die if you do this !” I like it ,valuable advice.
Great advice! Yep I've done all of those things, thank you for giving me something to work on! It is difficult in a small church to find players, and when people are out we don't have much in the way of back ups. That is something I really hope to work on. Keep up the great work guys!
I had a hard time paying attention because of that awesome guitar hanging in the background
Love this ❤️ I’m just starting as a worship leader and this kind of video are helping out a lot
Another one I would add, and this is a big pet peeve for me and relates to your first point about ‘winging it’, is not having things written down.
Many of the CCLI/SongSelect arrangements lack intros, outros, transitions and the like. Not sure why. Maybe because they want to leave those up to the leader to fit those into their setlist? (Someone could clarify this for me.) And often during rehearsal, at least in our case, these transitions are improvised on the spot and orally indicated without writing it down. So when service comes around, there’s a pretty good chance for a ‘crash’ (that point in the song where half the band plays what was spoken about but not written down and the rest forget and the song sputters. Which is really bad because people are immediately taken out of that intimate worship space and distracted.
Personally, I take notes during the rehearsal and write furiously because A: it’s not written down anywhere else and B: I say furiously because it’s a time-intensive process to write musical instructions and the rest of the group, who are not taking any notes other than mental, are moving ahead. I’m a musician and not a leader, so it’s not really up to me to nail down the full arrangement in place of the leader.
Similarly to that point, leaders should come into rehearsal prepared with the full order and arrangements ready to go rather than making song choices and picking keys and the like while the team is sitting and waiting to start. It often happens that we will have completed rehearsing just the first song in the setlist almost an hour into rehearsal time. A properly prepared rehearsal should take 60-90 minutes maximum to get through a five-song setlist with several run-throughs of each selection.
Anyway, guys. Thanks for a great series. Keep up the good work.
Allow the worship members to play to their strengths.
Those are truly good points to avoid. Good information,l and definitely funny. 👍👍
Thank you
Good advice, wish the worship leaders I've met were like you guys, nothing but chest puffers that I've met, ugh
Great Video and very helpful as always
God bless you guys.
I had a serious question I wanted to ask you guys. My church badly needs help on our worship team. The skill level is subpar to what it could be in a lot of people get nothing out of the worship because it’s bad. I have learned contemporary worship before, but I have never served in the office of worship leader and I am not in that office now. What can I do to make humble suggestions, and how can I help improve the overall quality of the music and the skill of some of the musicians without offending anyone?
Start small brother you'll get somewhere and most importantly pray for your worship team . Good luck ahead.
Dustin Whitesell also, we should be able to meet together and start belting out a song without any instruments and still have an amazing worship experience, which is dependent on the presence of the Holy Spirit. If He only showed up when the music was as close to perfect as possible, a lot of Christians would be in trouble because a lot of them aren't musically gifted. And many of us who have worshippers hearts are not necessarily musically inclined either. Yet we're reaching up for heaven the hardest and singing unto the Lord in our hearts all day long.
If I play a lot of songs from Hillsong, which base, (or bases) patch would be best suited to replicate that sound? Love the video by the way
I'm just banging my head now hearing that leadership I interact with are guilty of all these things. Despite offered help, their actions always fall back on the, "it's always been done this way" mentality with no indication of positive steps toward improvement.
I suppose the question now is figuring out how to anonymously send this to leadership without seeming passive aggressive....Blah
Why be anonymous? I feel like that's a giant problem we have as people in church. We want to avoid conflict but forget that by not directly addressing issues, we're essentially making them worse. Write up a letter. Deliver your points in a sit down with your leadership and focus on working together to make everything better :)
@@wdiv Good advice- but that's all already been done...
@@Wells306 I have no idea what (productive thing) to do beyond that point.
@@wdiv It's delicate to say the least. Extending grace and patience is about the wisest thing I can usually do.
musicians are not and never have been "worship leaders. The Pastor is the worship leader. To much focus on band based models which are not at all biblical. Where in the NT do we find musicians at the center of worship?
Our old church is the reason I don't have faith anymore. The pastor lied to us and wouldn't talk to us when we questioned him about it.
Captain 345 That's a sorry excuse. Countless saints have died for the gospel. If that's all it took to stop you, you'll never make it to the narrow gate. Just join a cult like Islam, social justice or Mormons.
@@lkae4 And it's comments like this that don't make me want to change my mind because I could easily say that same about you. You might want to take a good look at yourself before you go judging others. And to be honest it was not just the Pastor, it was many members of the diaconate lied, made up excuses refused to talk to myself or my wife at all. This is a church we we're involved with for over 15 years. My parents we're members, even my mother was on the diaconate board before she died, and gave a substantial portion of her estate when she died. So if this is how "The Church" treats it's on longstanding members there is obviously a problem. There is more, but I really don't care to explain. So no that wasn't "all it took".
Sorry that you had a bad experience with your church and pastor. There are a lot of people that are in the same boat as you are where it was people who failed them in the church causing them to leave. I do ask if you have even just a slight percentage in your being which still wants to believe I hope that you may return to the faith not just to rekindle a relationship with church itself but with God, He can do so much for you if you are willing to put trust in Him. If you are able to, go to a new church look around, pray, and find that place of worship where they help you encounter God and not try to push you down or ignore you. It may take some time but put your trust in God :)
Captain 345 I have no desire to change your mind. My only desire to expose your entitled victim mentality and warn others of this watered down fake consumer Christianity.
Jesus died so that we could have life everlasting. The martyrs and saints sacrificed and died so that the love of Christ would shine in this dark world. Even the legacy of your mother will help many and her tears in heaven will be of happiness at the fruits of her generosity and the pride of Jesus for his faithful daughter.
You, on the other hand, will reap your harvest and it will not be tears of joy. I can understand why people stopped talking to you. No one likes being around a self-identified victim. Peace.
One mistake is accepting pay! Then it becomes a chore, got get a job don't make church a business like all churches are doing,
That depends greatly upon your situation. I think that is too broad of a statement to make a fact.
@@ebenselby2540 situation is that most are lazy and want pay for worship leading, when one is paid it's notych a sacrifice, I do it for free but I haven't found a church that needs worship leader, I don't even like the sound of that title, how about music helper? Everyone wants these titles, sick of it
Rick Grebenik I see your point. So did Keith Green.
@@karaa7595 Keith green? Explain what you mean