6 Things Worship Leaders Need to Stop Doing Now | Advice from a Lead Pastor
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2:05 - 1. Stop being somebody else
5:03 - 2. Stop singing unrepeatable songs
8:23 - 3. Stop relying on the confidence monitor for every lyric
13:00 - 4. Stop being a diva
19:04 - 5. Stop getting so wrapped up in the tech
23:57 - 6. Stop forgetting that you are a theological teacher
We couldn’t find him, so you became him! I was literally grabbing time stamps and putting them in notes to post them. You’re the real MVP! Thanks bro 😄😄😄😄😄
@@lukiekeyz "be the change you want to see in the world" lol
@@timshin LOL! Pure facts. Exactly what I was thinking about as I was listening and marking the timestamps.
Thanks 👍
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You can tell who’s the worship pastor and the lead pastor by the mic placements.
and their movement in front of the Mic. 😆
This is an Epic comment, and I 100% agree with your spot on analysis. I can appreciate the allegory!
This needs to be done for worship tech team members as well.
1. Don’t show up unprepared.
- Listen to the songs a couple of times. Recorded versions and worship leader demos if available.
- Understand and rehearse the order of worship.
- Show up early to get stage and tech ready before worship team arrives.
2. Don’t be a diva.
- the Worship Pastor (leader) is there to lead, you are there to assist.
- don’t toss around tech jargon proudly, but first have a teaching mentality.
- don’t be combative with worship leaders and especially musicians. You win and fail as a team. So your part to make everyone a winner.
3. Don’t be a recluse.
- don’t hide behind your gear before and after service. Engage with the congregation and do life with others around you.
Point 6 is so important. Bob Kauflin in his incredible book Worship Matters puts it this way: If someone sat under your worship ministry for two years, what would they have learned about Christ?
As Praise and worship leaders, you have hundreds of songs you play over time. Having some type of monitor, sheet music, phone, or tablet to assist you with lyrics, chords, etc., is beneficial in case you have a lapse in memory, you won't crash the song and the congregation.
I do agree that you shouldn't have your head down for every song. Rehearsing for the upcoming Sunday, and practice, practice, practice.
The "Theological Teacher" point is super important. Especially considering that music often has a similar amount of "air-time" in the service as the message.
Thanks, Jake! Always love the content!
This is all great stuff! Thank you for sharing.
Good stuff! Thank you for these reminders.
As a worship leader myself I’m loving the real relationship you two share too… relationship with your lead pastor is so important 👍🏻
what a great relationship you guys have!!!!
Great info! Lots to think about, reflect on, and much to continue to learn. Blessings from a fellow worship pastor!
Really great nuggets there. Thanks guys
This is my life! Thank you for sharing this. Super helpful.
This is great. Especially mentioning that the songs we choose, people repeat more than the messages. Thanks for this!!!
Excellent conversation, point 6 was powerful 👏🏾
I am considering giving this video to our Worship Leader. I see many of these points in our church services.
This is great! Thank you so much, we all need to be reminded… A couple of these or probably just for me😉
Wow! What a pair of divas!
Sunday wake up time 430-445. Gotta get my heart right for the team, my church, and myself. This is great. In all things be kind.
GREAT podcast. Lots of good things here. 30+ years as a worship leader, still learning. This is good stuff; it's confirmation and stimulation all at the same time. Great job Jake and Darvin.
First point is brilliant!
nice one, I love these ❤
Great advice!
Point three actually fuels the point to be slow to introduce new songs. Maybe there should be a guideline to memorize the lyrics as a prerequisite to introduce a new song.
This was great. Thanks
Can I just say this interview sounds so good?
Thanks!
This is extremely good!
Songs that "aren't repeatable" were placed during the offeratory, the worship team's offering of music while the rest of the congregation is placing their offering in the plate or box. Sometimes new songs were sung there so that the congregation can hear them long before we use them in a service.
Great points 👌👊
One of the best church front videos IMO
I love this
One thing I wish worship leaders wouldn’t do is “say” the next line of the lyrics they’re about to sing.
Those of us in the congregation are capable of reading the lyrics on the gigantic screen that most churches have…. we know what is coming next.
Re 2: We've started summarising this as 'Be "This Is Amazing Grace" in F'.
TIAG in Bb is a performance number - the average congregation with a octave and a bit range that stops at D hasn't.a hope of singing it. And yet that's the key it's in on SongSelect, and I've heard it done on church streams in that key, or even in C.
The music ministry at my home church is going through a rebuilding phase that started about mine months ago.
Our associate pastor and his wife are currently the "worship team leaders." Six months ago, she added "TIAG" in Bb to our set list and as soon as the set list was distributed, I was requesting that the key be changed on the basis that "the average congregation with a octave and a bit range that stops at D hasn't a hope of singing it."
That request kept getting ignored. I repeated it every single time it got ignored, too. I did that for six months.
Finally, after service a couple of weeks ago, I had a Matthew 18 moment with the pair of them over this issue.
I volunteered to be a member of a worship team. I did not volunteer to be a member of a solo performance act's backing band.
We do not have worship leaders in the traditional Presbyterian church, but many of the messages are germane to all worship activities. I lover the story of the three year old that wanted to start early.
These are all excellent and I'm going to use them to test myself often! Thanks pastor for sharing your heart.
I found one thing in this video that I think needs some clarification. "Stop singing unrepeatable songs." I think this is good advice and something to be mindful of. However the fact that you have a huge array of people who are untrained and have all different ranges, is precisely why it's such a hard thing to do. If I truly made sure everyone was comfortable in every song it would do two things. 1. Eliminate most songs. 2. Make for the most boring, uninspiring music you can imagine. It is this change in pitch and timbre, which admittedly not everyone will be able to follow, that creates dynamics and energy. But where some can't follow, others like the ladies may find themselves just getting comfortable.
I think what pastors often mean when they say, "make the songs easier to sing," is actually "make the songs easier for me to sing." Hopefully everyone will agree that that's problematic. What works for the lead pastor won't work for many other people, and more importantly, will very likely make it difficult for the actual singer to sing.
I have found that when people say make the songs easier to sing they aren't talking about how high or low the range is. They are referring to complex songs with tricky timings, tempo changes, etc. The problem is more the rhythm of the song that makes it difficult to follow. Follow the KISS principle.
@@cee128d Keep it simple is great advice! But I've heard many people make an argument about keys and it seemed the pastor in this video was leaning in to that part of it.
Interesting conversation! Thanks. One theological concern: What a Beautiful Name. Check it out closely.
I agree with most of this. One thing I will say. I have led worship for over 20 years with congregations sized 10,000 to 200. The best critiques were always 100% from pastors who played and instrument and led worship. They have personal knowledge of what it is to lead worship every week with a possible different group of people.
But definitely, NEVER be a diva! God bless
The thumbnail is Fantastic 👏 👌 🙌
Regarding #3, we haven't advanced TO a confidence monitor. We still have music stands with printed chord charts. The truth conveyed still applies. It's worse when the tech glitches cause a desync between what they are singing and what is being presented. #4 & #5. I'm having challenges to get the worship leaders to understand the tech... opposite problem for us.
I've been in the worship ministry for a long time, but just started leading worship over 3 years ago. Initially, I was doing this for a prison ministry, so I had to know the lyrics. But my biggest mistakes were numbers 1 and 2. I'm just not a high octane personality, like the worship pastor I grew up with. I really tried, but it came across as fake. I finally realized that God made me and was fully aware of my personality when He called me to do this. He was absolutely able to use me with, even with a more laid back personality. That was very freeing.
Stop singing unrepeatable songs. Yes. I was guilty for a while. It was not without good intentions. I wanted to make sure that the songs I picked coordinated well with the sermon. But the pastor was all over the place. So every week, it was a different group of songs. The people weren't singing and I couldn't figure out why. Finally, started planning ahead so that there was much more continuity, which allowed the people to learn the songs. I would always leave one song slot open, just in case I needed something to go with the sermon. I'm only on point 2, and about to listen to the rest. Great stuff!
My observational 2 cents on Point no 3 - The reason most people rely on the confidence monitor (from what I've found) is the lack of singing these songs in their personal worship time. If we spend more time with worshipping God in our quiet time with some of these songs (with long lyrics), eventually, the songs sit in our spirit and it becomes easier to lead it spiritually and musically without having to rely on what's in front of you.
I also think it allows you to not have one more layer of distraction as a leader when you can be more in-tune with what God is whispering into your spirit in that moment rather than relying on the dude at the back to move to the next page quickly enough or not responding to your call to go back to the top. Being able to rely on God in a distraction free zone in that moment produces great ministrations to God and to the people of God you're leading.
Wow.. phil wickham is a soprano!
One thing our leader does, is irritating. She starts singing some other song she is making up while waiting for the one that is on the screen. The congregation is looking at the screen and she is singing something else by herself, and suddenly the words she is singing are the same as the screen, so "It must be time to sing along.". Then she does the same thing between verses. She performs in a group in concerts, and I imagine she is in that mindset in the church service.
Our latest thing is singing songs with Hebrew words in them, sometimes whole verses in Hebrew. I don't think we have any Hebrew speaking congregants who are interested in that.
Another thing that is concerning, is that we sing choruses, with repeatig words and phrases. Some of our worship songs appear to have been written in 5 minutes.
Could you make a video explaining how you are able to do an interview with two microphones and avoid phase cancellation?
Good tech support/sound guy
Siryessir. Make it into podcast sir. Plis
Stop looking at the confidence monitor. YES!!!!
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Great points, great discussion, great advice. But it's a little demanding to come off the confidence monitor, and I don't think the pastor understands the problem. Music presented in the modern format presents a difficult challenge if you are to have 3-5 different songs per week. Most music written today is actually designed for either residency or travel gigging, either scenarios mean you have a limited collection - maybe 20-30 songs from which you mix and match. Not so for worship, we are expected to have 3-5 topical / sermon-relevant songs from a virtually limitless two-century repertoire that is constantly being added to, and we are playing to mixed group of ages and cultural backgrounds and idioms. This is why piano and organ players accompanied from hymnals traditionally and to the day they do the same, and even the best secular musicians and conductors will have the music in front of them. So, it's not a performance or recital, it's accompaniment to worship. Pastor needs to chill about the confidence monitor for people singing AND playing.
What can we do to get leaders who will serve the nurturing of our selves, our loved ones, our human family, and all life on Earth to the nest of our ability? Think honestly and deeply. Is there anyone??? Who has actually expressed that value system as their m.o., and delivered on some promises to shift the narrative and actions toward thriving sustainably?
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Jake at 22:34 ..."When you get the tech right it works" so when you get it wrong .....it doesn't ! :-)
Let the lead pastor talk . . .
Amen! Too much of the worship leader.
So there is no worship until you stand up?
Interesting to me, every concert I’ve attended not one time did the artist say,”stand up now we are going to play some music”. Usually 25:29 you’re asking people to sit down. What’s the difference? What would motivate people just stand at a concert and in church you have to tell them to stand?
Lyrics are important…that’s what people are singing during the week so count the number of,”I”. As you said it’s about worship …get it!
Looking for the comment that lists the 6 things and time stamps them 🧐🧐🧐. Where’s that guy
LOL first thing I did was look for that comment.
gotchu fam
Stop the octave jump!
Why tho
I think it’s like the second point it’s not repeatable although it can alter the dynamics of the song.
@coryasbury 👀
Jake, is this your “exit interview” or what?! Lol
Just saw you’re at a new church.
Haha, yes! I got a mention on your new video because of this silly comment! 😂🤣
I really like what the lead pastor says. I wish he'd have done it without the worship leader making his comments. He talked too much (Stop being a diva!). I'm guessing we hear more of the worship leaders "defensive" remarks, timewise, than the lead pastor. Sometimes he "explained away" the good things the pastor said. It would have been better (and shorter) without the worship leader's rebuttals.
Learn to sing. Learn to play. Hire people that can sing and play.
There. I have summarized it for you.
Our church has all these experts in sound, and NONE of them has any expertise or formal schooling !!! They need to learn to stay in their own lane !!!
Mostly good stuff, but to say the pastor doesn't care about what he's saying because he's looking at his notes is a really reckless thing to say. I know pastors who are looking at their notes very heavily, who deeply care about what they are saying and care deeply for the people who are hearing it. Glad you can do it but not everyone is the same, not everyone can walk away from their notes. God bless
If the worship leader doesn't know the song completely and can't sing or play it without looking at the music, they do NOT know it well enough to lead it.
Also, repeatable also has to do with rhythm. If you and your worship team have trouble with the rhythm of the song how do you expect your congregation be able to sing along with it. There are songs that are better for special music that you listen to and songs that are all sings. Not every song fit's the latter.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Referring to the music increases confidence and allows some leaders (probably most) to lead and worship freely. I say that as someone who glances at my music when needed, but definitely doesn't rely on it.
@@mattn99 Never had to refer to music during a worship service in all of the years I lead worship or was part of a worship team. I took my obligation seriously and made sure I knew each song inside/out, backwards and forwards and was always prepared . Too many people today just want to show up Sunday morning and sing. Practicing and preparing ahead of time is too much like work to them.
Heck, all too often they show up half hour before service starts and don't even know what songs are being sung. Yea, that is the problem. Not taking their job or obligation seriously.
@@cee128d there are A LOT of assumptions in that comment
@@mattn99 That was an old test stream from early covid when we were in lock down. We were considering using this guy for music as our musicians were not available at that time. We tried it a couple of weeks and the response was terrible.
And no, it wasn't me. Just something Royalty Free that I downloaded from the internet.
Can I add one more...Stop repeating the first few words of the next verse or the chorus.
ESPECIALLY when we are looking at the hymnal or the words are on the screen!!
We KNOW when the next verse will start. Unless there is a real need (sometimes) to do so, please stop. Thank you.
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You should do a "6 ways to frustrate your Team" or "6 Ways to Frustrate Your Worship Pastor. Lead Pastor Edition" ala Michael Hyatt's "13 Ways To Make Your Employees Pull Their Hair Out". It could be fuuuuuun 😉
Just stop singing altogether. If you can't do that, then pare it down to one person with a guitar or piano and get rid of the Lawrence Welk show.
Stop doing all of it! Not even going to watch the video.
The one thing all churches need to do is bring back choirs and theologically sound music.
Stop praise teams!
Besides, at best .01%. Yes .01% not 1%. Not .01% can sing, let alone, belong behind a pair of skinny jeans a plaid shirt a beany and a Taylor guitar.
"Worship leaders" need to realize they aren't biblical and stop what they are doing. They need to learn about the regulative principle of worship and stop leading people in will worship strange fire.
not a fan of you and your guest facing each other. profile shots are not flattering.
None of this has value to the Church or God. These concepts are so antithetical to Godly praise. Spiritually clueless. The disconnect is the world has informed the church how to praise our God. We use their backbeat which the world considers to be strictly about sex and rebellion from its inception-only "christians" argue otherwise. We use their vocal stylings which come directly out of the nightclubs and honkey-tonks. We sing the music we like and never consider for a second what He might like. It is carnal and most every writer of modern CCM has their influence from the God hating rock crowd. I'm sure He just loves it.