I'm a little bit late with a comment but very nicely done i have been reloading and making 22tcm case for over 8 years I'm still using up my first brass cases i had made over 6 thousands out of 5.56 if you ever make your own you need a 7/32 6 bladed reamer to ream the inside of the neck after sizing without the expanding ball then resize and load as normal also remove 25 thousands from the top of the number 4 shell holder to fully bump the neck shoulder back and they do make a tcm factory crimp die. I now almost only reload lee bator and lee 55gn rf cast powder coated bullets with 8.5 gns of lilgun or 300mp they are the same . My 55 rf tcm are 100 percent reliable at 1800 fps 1911a2 and 1660 out of the mapp tcm9r. The pre covid19 cost was 0.05 cents a round my 5.56 brass is free i still have over 14 k cases from 3 years of collection at the open shooting area 6 miles away from me. God i love Arizona. And Colorado.
Very Nice! Do you ever have any extraction problems with the 223 case? You know the one thing RIA changed besides shortening and re-shouldering was the extractor groove , They cut a bevel on the case to make extraction better. Very nice job finding a reamer and a cast bullet that would work! I cant find the "22 Bater " mould on Mid Souths website. I hadn't considered going to a 55 grain. 40 grain is impossible to find other than RIA so far for me. I bought a 1200 pc case of pre primered 22TCM cases and I have TCM powder . I just haven't had luck with bullets since RIA hasn't had stock in many years now. Thanks for all your tips.
Good info and thanks for sharing. Another guy uses the Speer .224" 40gr Soft Point projectiles. See 22TCM improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
@@PatriotPaulUSA Try Ammo Supply Warehouse for 22TCM parts and ammo. Buds GS had the Speer 22 Cal 40gr soft point projectiles on sale. Also check Midway.
Thanks for the info on where to get suitable bullets. Most of the 40 grain bullets I have or found are too long and don't fit in the mag unless you seat them so deep on the ogive the case mouth is too proud. 10.0 grs Lil'Gun works great in the rifle too.
Thanks, Fausto. I figured my cost to reload 50 round box is about $9.57 assuming 5 reloads per case. Hornady cam lock trimmer works great for me, they all need it once, it seems. You're right - 10.0 gr. of Lil' gun is a nice load.
I have a JR carbine in 9mm it takes glock mags do you think I could rebarrel the rifle to this cartridge while using same mags and bolt I would like to make a switch barrel out of it 9mm and 22TCM
+wheeler90 From what I've read the problem with heavier bullets like 55 gr is that if you load them normally they will be too long to fit in to magazine and most likely to chamber too, seating too deep is another problem.
I did reload some rounds with speer 218 bee bullets; it shoots fine but sometimes fails to feed in the chamber because of the flat nose.www.midwayusa.com/product/196704/speer-bullets-218-bee-224-diameter-46-grain-jacketed-flat-nose-box-of-100
Great video on TCM reloading. Do you have a part number on the 22 feeder tube from lee? I founder the powder thru 45 die but not the tube or the extender. Thanks
Fausto Cepeda TH-cam has blocked pop ups in the video. I watched it several times and can’t get the Lee part number for the 22 feeder tube. It’s not on their website. Thanks Rick
Before I knew much about the cartridge, I was under the impression it was just necked .45 ACP brass with a .223 bullet. That would've been amazing for reloading.
You actually don't need a crimp since a proper load is basically a compressed load. So it can't fall into the case, and it is too light to drift forward. That said I do crimp since I believe it improves neck tension for precision purposes if you anneal.
how much do you think it costs per round to reload 22tcm? do you think its cheaper to reload it on your own or send the brass back to rock island to have them reload it for you? i just got my 22tcm single stack and havent gotten to shoot it yet but hopefully i will soon.
good question. ok. at $37.00 per 1lb of lil-gun. 15.00 for 500 primers, 50.00 for 500 bullets,100.00 for 500 Brass. its about 19.014 for 50 reloads. This is with new brass. If your load once fired, it's 9.14 for the same 50 reloads.
+Fausto Cepeda Yeah man, you definitely overpaying for powder and primers. I think I paid 24 dollars for a pound of Lil' Gun and primers I paid 20 bucks for a 1000 on sale at Cabela's (not Winchester though, they are overpriced) and I've seen even better prices on Tula primers. If you have access to .223 brass you can form your own cases and save money. I pickup brass where I shoot and got several thousands of .223 casings.
The price per round isn't to bad, that is after you buy everything. I have one question, do you taper, roll or use no crimp? Great video, keep up the good work.
Lee Greger No crimp. I have not been able to locate or even seen a taper/crimp die. However, with no crimp they do seat in very tight and I get factory velocities..so I'm ok with that.
99% of the people that shoot 22 TCM do it because of the FIREBALL. This is what makes it a fun round to shoot. Information on how to load it with a proper fireball would be more beneficial to us.
I'm a little bit late with a comment but very nicely done i have been reloading and making 22tcm case for over 8 years I'm still using up my first brass cases i had made over 6 thousands out of 5.56 if you ever make your own you need a 7/32 6 bladed reamer to ream the inside of the neck after sizing without the expanding ball then resize and load as normal also remove 25 thousands from the top of the number 4 shell holder to fully bump the neck shoulder back and they do make a tcm factory crimp die. I now almost only reload lee bator and lee 55gn rf cast powder coated bullets with 8.5 gns of lilgun or 300mp they are the same . My 55 rf tcm are 100 percent reliable at 1800 fps 1911a2 and 1660 out of the mapp tcm9r. The pre covid19 cost was 0.05 cents a round my 5.56 brass is free i still have over 14 k cases from 3 years of collection at the open shooting area 6 miles away from me. God i love Arizona. And Colorado.
Very Nice! Do you ever have any extraction problems with the 223 case? You know the one thing RIA changed besides shortening and re-shouldering was the extractor groove , They cut a bevel on the case to make extraction better. Very nice job finding a reamer and a cast bullet that would work! I cant find the "22 Bater " mould on Mid Souths website. I hadn't considered going to a 55 grain. 40 grain is impossible to find other than RIA so far for me. I bought a 1200 pc case of pre primered 22TCM cases and I have TCM powder . I just haven't had luck with bullets since RIA hasn't had stock in many years now. Thanks for all your tips.
Good info and thanks for sharing. Another guy uses the Speer .224" 40gr Soft Point projectiles. See 22TCM improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
@@PatriotPaulUSA Try Ammo Supply Warehouse for 22TCM parts and ammo. Buds GS had the Speer 22 Cal 40gr soft point projectiles on sale. Also check Midway.
I updated the 22TCM Wiki article, including reloading data en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_TCM
Good job!
Nice, I got more than three years not reloading and I got this new kid on the block, I shure I got my starting point, thank's
Check out 5.56x24mm. It is a slight modification to the 22TCM case which will vastly improve your reliablity and allow you to use longer bullets.
It's fun and informative listening to you.
I think that was complete info for starting 22tcm reloads. Thnx for sharing.
Thanks for the info on where to get suitable bullets. Most of the 40 grain bullets I have or found are too long and don't fit in the mag unless you seat them so deep on the ogive the case mouth is too proud. 10.0 grs Lil'Gun works great in the rifle too.
Thanks, Fausto. I figured my cost to reload 50 round box is about $9.57 assuming 5 reloads per case. Hornady cam lock trimmer works great for me, they all need it once, it seems. You're right - 10.0 gr. of Lil' gun is a nice load.
I have a JR carbine in 9mm it takes glock mags do you think I could rebarrel the rifle to this cartridge while using same mags and bolt I would like to make a switch barrel out of it 9mm and 22TCM
22TCM wont work in a straight blowback. Better off getting a custom 22TCM DI AR-15 upper made th-cam.com/video/C8QDeO9zFBw/w-d-xo.html
You can now. KAK Industry 22TCM AR15 Barrels and Uppers th-cam.com/video/XOcSeCyBee4/w-d-xo.html
Please provide more information on the model powder feeder used in this video. I am interested in setting up my press the same way.
Is it possible to use a 55gr .224 something with a ballistic tip also a little heavier. I was wanting have a little more ummpphh.
I have not tried any thing but the original factory ammo. Sorry.
+wheeler90 From what I've read the problem with heavier bullets like 55 gr is that if you load them normally they will be too long to fit in to magazine and most likely to chamber too, seating too deep is another problem.
I did reload some rounds with speer 218 bee bullets; it shoots fine but sometimes fails to feed in the chamber because of the flat nose.www.midwayusa.com/product/196704/speer-bullets-218-bee-224-diameter-46-grain-jacketed-flat-nose-box-of-100
Yes it's possible by changing the case. See 22TCM improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
Great video on TCM reloading. Do you have a part number on the 22 feeder tube from lee? I founder the powder thru 45 die but not the tube or the extender. Thanks
Its on the video as a pop up
Fausto Cepeda TH-cam has blocked pop ups in the video. I watched it several times and can’t get the Lee part number for the 22 feeder tube. It’s not on their website. Thanks Rick
Me to.
thank you for the good info, i appreciate the vid
Before I knew much about the cartridge, I was under the impression it was just necked .45 ACP brass with a .223 bullet. That would've been amazing for reloading.
can you tell me the length of the bullet heads. I am looking to make my own. Size in both ways would be good. Like if there 223 or 224. Thanks
You can use Speer soft point 224" 40gr as a reference. 22TCM Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
That finished round looked as if it could use a bit of crimp on the case. Comment?
yes
You actually don't need a crimp since a proper load is basically a compressed load. So it can't fall into the case, and it is too light to drift forward. That said I do crimp since I believe it improves neck tension for precision purposes if you anneal.
What are you using to trim the 22tcm brass
***** I use a file tool. I only had to ever file a few.
they make a universal powder die for the turret i use it to load from a 9mm to a 308
Hi here is the 22tcm load data and powder
Accurate TCM, Accurate Powder pdf info.
how much do you think it costs per round to reload 22tcm? do you think its cheaper to reload it on your own or send the brass back to rock island to have them reload it for you? i just got my 22tcm single stack and havent gotten to shoot it yet but hopefully i will soon.
good question. ok. at $37.00 per 1lb of lil-gun. 15.00 for 500 primers, 50.00 for 500 bullets,100.00 for 500 Brass. its about 19.014 for 50 reloads. This is with new brass. If your load once fired, it's 9.14 for the same 50 reloads.
+Fausto Cepeda Yeah man, you definitely overpaying for powder and primers. I think I paid 24 dollars for a pound of Lil' Gun and primers I paid 20 bucks for a 1000 on sale at Cabela's (not Winchester though, they are overpriced) and I've seen even better prices on Tula primers. If you have access to .223 brass you can form your own cases and save money. I pickup brass where I shoot and got several thousands of .223 casings.
@@DimaProk lol fast forward 6 years and 500 primers cost an arm and a leg
@@LaPistolerie Yep, I wish I would buy a boatload of primers when they were $20 a brick in Cabela's.
The price per round isn't to bad, that is after you buy everything. I have one question, do you taper, roll or use no crimp? Great video, keep up the good work.
Lee Greger No crimp. I have not been able to locate or even seen a taper/crimp die. However, with no crimp they do seat in very tight and I get factory velocities..so I'm ok with that.
You can get Lee dies from Midway for 31 bucks. I really like their projectile (bullets) price though. I wonder who makes them? Armscor?
Too bad they don't carry the 40 grain projectiles anymore, they were really cheap I believe 8 cents a piece.
99% of the people that shoot 22 TCM do it because of the FIREBALL. This is what makes it a fun round to shoot. Information on how to load it with a proper fireball would be more beneficial to us.
howlingmine you want a fireball, use a Winchester 296.
There is tcm power out there. Where i live no one carry it
Ammo Supply warehouse.
Fasty where do you get your TCM bullets these days? Are there any alternatives? I can't find any factory TCM.
Look up 5.56x24mm. Same as 22TCM but lets you use any 22 bullet 40 grains or less.