@asero021584 he doesn't have to, curry IS the offense. The man doesn't stop moving. He's also been an average to slightly above average defender the last few seasons. It's easier to play 2 ways when you're stationed in 1 area the whole game and saving energy.
Also Curry over Duncan is a joke. More rings, FMVPs, All nba, All def (15-0) and an actual two way player. Curry is known for playoff failures, Duncan is known for stepping up in the playoffs.
aint no way kawhi over dwade, and curry over duncan and kobe? come to ur sense. duncan never miss the playoff. kobe and duncan have more championship than curry. more finals mvp.
The only argument for Curry is that he's really hard to defend. His stamina from running around the court on offense is unmatchable. And it might be really true that you'll die if you're gonna guard him all the time in a 7 game series.
If Melo was as dominant and effortless a scorer as so many people believe he was, then why did he never score as efficiently as the other high-volume offensive players on this list who played in the same era?
@@JoeCash89 I’m not here to argue he’s that much “better” than anybody on this list (even though he’s really no less efficient than guys like Paul Pierce and definitely moreso than Russ), but the point is 4 years of Luka just doesnt top 20 years of Melo and thats not a knock on Luka (he’s fantastic). The rest of the list isn’t bad by any means (though something could also be said about putting Steph over Kobe)
@@jwong1546 1. He went to the WCF in 09. 2. You couldnt expect anything out of anybody back in that 2000s Western Conference. CP3 didnt touch a WCF until 2018
I’m a Steph stan but even I didn’t see him coming at 2 but I guess it’s warranted since he has one of the best peaks ever and at 35 years old is still looking like he has 2-3 more years at this level to add to his resume
@@dshawandunwell3892 It’s important to remember that the ‘03 Spurs were far removed from The Beautiful Game which we know and love them for, or even the team they became during their next two titles in ‘05 and ‘07. Parker and Ginobili had not yet developed into genuine offensive stars. The next best player during that ‘03 run was a way-past-his-prime Admiral. Prime Duncan never had a teammate even remotely as talented as KD, nor did he benefit from the rule changes the same way other offensive superstars in his era did. ‘03 Duncan carried that team through a loaded West (knocking out the 3 peat Lakers as well as the Nash/Nowitzki Mavs) on their way to a quadruple double in the title-clinching game. Curry could never.
@@aricohen283 yes for that one year he did Carry his team but he was fortunate to have a good team around him for basically his entire career. There was not a single year where the Spurs with Duncan we're not considered a contener.
Great ideia of video. But Nash, Harden, and specifically Westbrook are way too high on the list. Seems like recency bias tbh. More champions, MVPs, are impactful players are left behind for these three. Nash at least got MVP 2 times, which is a rare feat
Before even watching the video the top 4 in order is LeBron, Duncan, Kobe, Shaq & Curry (Edit after watching the video): Idk how I feel about Curry at 2 tbh
it might be biased but i do believe Giannis should be higher than Jokic although i think i can seen an argument for the other way around and kawhi should be lower than both due to longevity
I think, it's too early to put Steph over TD. We know Steph revolutionize the game of basketball and he's one of the reason why even big men needs to shoot 3s nowadays. But putting him above one of the winningest players in the last 25 years is somehow disrespectful. TD never missed a playoffs throughout his 16 years career. An absurd 71.9% winning percentage within regular season and playoffs.
He doesn’t know basketball. Kobe is 1 or 2 no debate. Curry shouldn’t be above Kobe, Shaq, or Duncan. This is nasty work 🤦♂️ And Luka being on this list over Carmelo is ridiculous.
I might put Kidd over Paul cause he had actually willed a team to the finals and he was a triple double machine (before Westbrook redefined what that meant)
@@pramathkarthik9789 how he better than Anthony Davis and luca? He made the finals twice because his team was the best team in the weak east. Heat was a play in team. They wasn't even an 8th seed they were a 7th seed. Heat almost blew the first 3 0 lead. Heat almost missed the whole playoffs. They were 5 minutes away from losing to the bulls
@@Stimulation334 who told east is weak bruv..... celtics(JT MVP calibur), sixers(Two MVp's), bucks(Giannis MVP) are weak? Anthony davis has one ring that too coz of bron, Luca has no finals appearance. if u think heat would hv lost to bulls in 2023, then they were also one shot away from finals in 2022 against celtics. And uk who made the last shot, yeapp it was jimmy.... Tell whatever u want jimmy is the best playoff performer the past three years since the bubble. The disrespect has to go....
@@pramathkarthik9789 heat was the 5th seed and an 8th seed making the finals. That the best the east got. And he on that team. AD brought the weak pelicans team to the playoffs in the strong west.
I got y'all, completely based off stats so it can't be biased: 1. LeBron in 2009 2. Shaq in 2000 3. Duncan in 2003 4. Garnett in 2004 5. KD in 2013 6. Jokic in 2023 7. Curry in 2015 8. Dwight in 2011 9. Harden in 2019 10. Wade in 2006 11. CP3 in 2008 12. Mourning in 1999 13. Giannis in 2019 14. Embiid in 2023 15. Dirk in 2006 16. AD in 2018 17. TMac in 2003 18. Luka in 2022 19. Kobe in 2006 20. Kawhi in 2020 21. Elton Brand in 2006 22. Westbrook in 2017 23. Paul Pierce in 2002 24. Tatum in 2023 25. Gilbert Arenas in 2006 Snubs: Nash, Marion, Stoudemire, Carter, Ben Wallace, Billups, Webber, Lillard, Kidd, Ray Allen, Pau, Yao, DRose, AI
First of all Luka and Dame over Melo is ridiculous. Shaq at number 5 is crazy, Kobe at 4 is nuts, Jokic over Giannis is ridiculous, Steph over Tim Duncan is atrocious. Remove Dame and Luka and put T-Mac and Melo
Mentioned Embiid's poor playoff performances, but Melo wasn't exactly a playoff performer. And RE: efficiency, Embiid is coming off one of the most efficient 30+ PPG seasons ever.
A couple of notable players missing: Pau Gasol, Ray Allen. Arguably Tony Parker and Manu should be there too. Give me any of these and feel free to take Westbrook, Harden or Nash. I'll be quite happy counting rings and true impact whilst you count stats
Bro Steve Nash should not be ranked higher than Jason Kidd and I’m sorry Jokic cannot be higher than Giannis considering he has 2 more all nba & all star appearances plus 5 defensive teams & a Dpoy not to forget the most improved player
Tim Kobe Dirk Nash Garnett Ray Allen Paul Pierce JKidd AI Pau Gasol * LBJ DWade Dwight KD Steph CP3 Jimmy Russ Harden Kawhi * Jokic Luka Embiid Giannis JT
Melo is top 75 and his whole career was during this era and there was no “he shouldn’t be on that list” debate so how do you keep him off? Please remove Dame or Luka.
@@jesseboy1961kobe had more skills & fanbase but timmy had better team impact & more mvp/fmvp awards also got the spurs offense designed from him the majority of his career.
Duncan over Kobe is highly debatable. But having Curry over those 2 is absurd.
I’m a big Curry fan but even I think that’s kinda suspect. If he wins a 5th ring then maybe.
@@awc6007 Even if he wins his 5th. He doesn't play both ends of the floor. That's the main reason why he'll never be placed above Kobe or Duncan.
@asero021584 he doesn't have to, curry IS the offense. The man doesn't stop moving. He's also been an average to slightly above average defender the last few seasons. It's easier to play 2 ways when you're stationed in 1 area the whole game and saving energy.
Steph over TD is crazy
Also Curry over Duncan is a joke. More rings, FMVPs, All nba, All def (15-0) and an actual two way player. Curry is known for playoff failures, Duncan is known for stepping up in the playoffs.
Kobe over both Duncan and curry and you know it
Curry is known for playoff failures is crazy
Curry is known for playoff failures?? I was riding with you until you said that
aint no way kawhi over dwade, and curry over duncan and kobe? come to ur sense. duncan never miss the playoff. kobe and duncan have more championship than curry. more finals mvp.
Duncan > Steph
I know the last 25 years didn't cover entire Shaq's career but putting him at number 5 is still crazy, I got him at 2nd spot.
This just shows how amazing 2004 pistons were!!
Melo not being top 25 in the last 25 years but Dame and Luka is???
Melo played for stats, not for wins. Billups can attest to this
@@darren49 I didn’t say anything about Billups
Because both are better?
Dame is reasonable but Luka is nuts
@@henry7486 luka has 4 straight 1st-team all-nba in all his first 5 seasons. hes above dame
No melo is wild ! Luka aint even do nothing yet
And what did Melo ever manage to do?
@@ahamchaudhary3543exactly
@jarredkellum2684 You fr?
Steph should be 4th then Kobe/Duncan interchangeable. Both are excellent defender, i'd take that over Curry's scoring prowess.
The only argument for Curry is that he's really hard to defend. His stamina from running around the court on offense is unmatchable. And it might be really true that you'll die if you're gonna guard him all the time in a 7 game series.
Luka over Melo is insane, sorry. Melo was a dominant scorer in a much harder era to score in
Who can’t even make conference finals
@@kingdeedee Ig it was just efficiency
If Melo was as dominant and effortless a scorer as so many people believe he was, then why did he never score as efficiently as the other high-volume offensive players on this list who played in the same era?
@@JoeCash89 I’m not here to argue he’s that much “better” than anybody on this list (even though he’s really no less efficient than guys like Paul Pierce and definitely moreso than Russ), but the point is 4 years of Luka just doesnt top 20 years of Melo and thats not a knock on Luka (he’s fantastic). The rest of the list isn’t bad by any means (though something could also be said about putting Steph over Kobe)
@@jwong1546 1. He went to the WCF in 09.
2. You couldnt expect anything out of anybody back in that 2000s Western Conference. CP3 didnt touch a WCF until 2018
I’m a Steph stan but even I didn’t see him coming at 2 but I guess it’s warranted since he has one of the best peaks ever and at 35 years old is still looking like he has 2-3 more years at this level to add to his resume
He has a slight case for 3 or 4, but not 2. Duncans 2003 peak is one of the highest all time, and he accomplished way more than Curry with less help
@@darren49 “less help” 😭😭😭
@@darren49saying Duncan had less help than curry is crazy
@@dshawandunwell3892 It’s important to remember that the ‘03 Spurs were far removed from The Beautiful Game which we know and love them for, or even the team they became during their next two titles in ‘05 and ‘07. Parker and Ginobili had not yet developed into genuine offensive stars. The next best player during that ‘03 run was a way-past-his-prime Admiral. Prime Duncan never had a teammate even remotely as talented as KD, nor did he benefit from the rule changes the same way other offensive superstars in his era did. ‘03 Duncan carried that team through a loaded West (knocking out the 3 peat Lakers as well as the Nash/Nowitzki Mavs) on their way to a quadruple double in the title-clinching game. Curry could never.
@@aricohen283 yes for that one year he did Carry his team but he was fortunate to have a good team around him for basically his entire career. There was not a single year where the Spurs with Duncan we're not considered a contener.
Kawhi over wade is so hilarious
Great ideia of video. But Nash, Harden, and specifically Westbrook are way too high on the list. Seems like recency bias tbh. More champions, MVPs, are impactful players are left behind for these three. Nash at least got MVP 2 times, which is a rare feat
My only disagreement is Kg and Kawhi shouldn’t be over Dirk Giannis Jokic and Wade.
Great video and rethinking of the concept..
The title is not "Top NBA 25 player" but "My top 25 favorite NBA players".
Wait, you got Kawhi Leonard above 2x MVP Nikola Jokic. Yeah, you cracked.
Steph is not 2 just stop!Kobe shaq and Duncan are over him.
KG is the rightful 2008 finals MVP
I love Steph Curry but ranking him above Kobe and Timmy all-time is still blasphemy. Those two are the most successful players post-Jordan Bulls era.
1 Lebron
2 Duncan
3 Kobe
4 Shaq
5 Curry
6 Nowitzki
7 Durant
8 Wade
9 Kawhi
10 Giannis
11 Jokic
12 Harden
13 Garnett
14 Pierce
15 Kidd
16 Ai
17 Nash
18 Cp3
19 AD
20 Howard
21 Butler
22 Parker
23 Lillard
24 Westbrook
25 Embid
I love Luke but he still needs to win something to be in top25. Melo or Tony Parker should easily take his spot.
Before even watching the video the top 4 in order is LeBron, Duncan, Kobe, Shaq & Curry (Edit after watching the video): Idk how I feel about Curry at 2 tbh
I would say lebron, kobe & timmy either spot, then steph then shaq
Kobe is 1 or 2. Kobe can’t be lower than 2.
Love the Paul Pierce appreciation
Curry at 2 is crazy ngl😂😮
Love the list!
it might be biased but i do believe Giannis should be higher than Jokic although i think i can seen an argument for the other way around and kawhi should be lower than both due to longevity
I think, it's too early to put Steph over TD. We know Steph revolutionize the game of basketball and he's one of the reason why even big men needs to shoot 3s nowadays. But putting him above one of the winningest players in the last 25 years is somehow disrespectful. TD never missed a playoffs throughout his 16 years career. An absurd 71.9% winning percentage within regular season and playoffs.
Is this best offensive players or best players list?
Thank you for putting respect on James Harden 🔥
Nah, that top 5 is insanely off. Steph is maybe 5, maybe.
Steph way too high
Dude lost me by the time he mentioned he omitted all those 00s legends
This list is all over the place lol
Masterfully done! Excellent script and supurb reasoning.
No Brian Scalabrine !?!? What a joke
Duncan at no. 3 was a surprise 😮
Canadian here, no way ON EARTH that Harden should be above Nash.
I disagree on mainly two things: Melo > Luka right now and Kobe > Curry.
Lost me at luka 25 lukas 5 years over melo whole care? Karl Malone Paul George etc ?
Here’s my take:
1. LeBron
2. Curry
3. Duncan
4. Kobe
5. Shaq
6. Wade
7. Durant
8. Garnett
9. Nowitzki
10. Leonard
11. Jokic
12. Giannis
13. Howard
14. Kidd
15. Paul
16. Westbrook
17. Butler
18. Nash
19. Harden
20. Iverson
21. Anthony
22. Dame
23. Parker
24. Pau Gasol
25. Billups
D Wade better be top 15
He doesn’t know basketball. Kobe is 1 or 2 no debate. Curry shouldn’t be above Kobe, Shaq, or Duncan. This is nasty work 🤦♂️ And Luka being on this list over Carmelo is ridiculous.
Duncan 2 (arguably 1), Kobe 3, Steph 4
John Stockton has to be on the list, most assists and steals, best in pick or roll, creates high scores for the Mailman, most reliable PG of all time
D-wade at 9 over Jokic and Giannas?? I give it a 9
Yes d-wade is better than the mand more accomplished than them
@@idontpasstherock the others don’t need lebron or shaq to win the championship
What a Kobe hater list is a joke it’s Lebron Kobe 1-2 period I’m fine if it’s Lebron no 1 but Kobe at 4 is laughable
Embiid over Gasol? Really?
Luka over Tony is crazy
Luka? Wtf
Come on !! Give him the goat status now 😂😂. Kind of joke
Rise or another fall for Charlotte Hornets new era & new owners now, your next video theScore. 🙏🙏🙏
Jimmy butler over Anthony Davis,Paul pierce and Joel embid is insane
Sorry you didn't understand the assignment
No I gasped when i realized you put Steph over Timmy
How is Leonard higher than Wade? I feel like Wade’s start to prime is higher than Leonard
I might put Kidd over Paul cause he had actually willed a team to the finals and he was a triple double machine (before Westbrook redefined what that meant)
dirk should be inside top 10 common man
Real top 10.
1. Lebron
2. Duncan
3A Curry
3B Kobe
5 Shaq
6 KD
7. Giannis
8. Jokic
9. Dirk
10. Kawhi or Wade
This shouldnt even be disputable
1. Lebron
2. Kobe
There at 1-2 and it’s a big gap between 3rd
3.Duncan
4. Durant
5. Shaq
6.Curry
7.Dwade
8.Dirk
9.Kawhi
10.Giannis/Jokic
Hahaha, curry higher than Duncan is a joke
Jimmy at 20th is wild. Put AD at 20th.
Y so.... 2 finals in four years without a all time teammate... Jimmy is him
@@pramathkarthik9789 how he better than Anthony Davis and luca? He made the finals twice because his team was the best team in the weak east. Heat was a play in team. They wasn't even an 8th seed they were a 7th seed. Heat almost blew the first 3 0 lead. Heat almost missed the whole playoffs. They were 5 minutes away from losing to the bulls
@@Stimulation334 who told east is weak bruv..... celtics(JT MVP calibur), sixers(Two MVp's), bucks(Giannis MVP) are weak? Anthony davis has one ring that too coz of bron, Luca has no finals appearance. if u think heat would hv lost to bulls in 2023, then they were also one shot away from finals in 2022 against celtics. And uk who made the last shot, yeapp it was jimmy.... Tell whatever u want jimmy is the best playoff performer the past three years since the bubble. The disrespect has to go....
@@pramathkarthik9789 heat was the 5th seed and an 8th seed making the finals. That the best the east got. And he on that team. AD brought the weak pelicans team to the playoffs in the strong west.
Underrating dirk is crazy.
If you can put wade over Giannis and joker, there’s no way dirk is lower than wade.
Kg and wade over dirk?
yeah thats crazy man for dirk should be higher than kg and wade
Dame over Melo is crazy
the biggest mistake here is KG being above Dirk... minor mistake here is Luka being in the list.
I got y'all, completely based off stats so it can't be biased:
1. LeBron in 2009
2. Shaq in 2000
3. Duncan in 2003
4. Garnett in 2004
5. KD in 2013
6. Jokic in 2023
7. Curry in 2015
8. Dwight in 2011
9. Harden in 2019
10. Wade in 2006
11. CP3 in 2008
12. Mourning in 1999
13. Giannis in 2019
14. Embiid in 2023
15. Dirk in 2006
16. AD in 2018
17. TMac in 2003
18. Luka in 2022
19. Kobe in 2006
20. Kawhi in 2020
21. Elton Brand in 2006
22. Westbrook in 2017
23. Paul Pierce in 2002
24. Tatum in 2023
25. Gilbert Arenas in 2006
Snubs: Nash, Marion, Stoudemire, Carter, Ben Wallace, Billups, Webber, Lillard, Kidd, Ray Allen, Pau, Yao, DRose, AI
Kobe at 19 👏👏👏👏
Melo ain’t a snub even?
Curry isn’t two way, how is he second?
First of all Luka and Dame over Melo is ridiculous. Shaq at number 5 is crazy, Kobe at 4 is nuts, Jokic over Giannis is ridiculous, Steph over Tim Duncan is atrocious. Remove Dame and Luka and put T-Mac and Melo
its a good list, but Leonard is a bit too high IMO
Where Carmelo Anthony ? 😅😂😅😂😅😂
You can't keep Melo outside the list for not being efficient and then have Embiid ignoring his blatant booty performances in the postseason
Mentioned Embiid's poor playoff performances, but Melo wasn't exactly a playoff performer. And RE: efficiency, Embiid is coming off one of the most efficient 30+ PPG seasons ever.
You can’t put Kawhi in the top 10 he should be 12
Curry hasn't made and All NBA defensive selection at all..Kobe had made 12x .. this is disrespectful
Recency bias..steph aint passed Ko, Shaq or Duncan yet..
25. Melo. 24. Luka. Remove Lillard.
As soon as yall said Luka at 25 I turned this off. Let me guess, Wemby #10.
A couple of notable players missing: Pau Gasol, Ray Allen. Arguably Tony Parker and Manu should be there too. Give me any of these and feel free to take Westbrook, Harden or Nash. I'll be quite happy counting rings and true impact whilst you count stats
Nope those are MVP players that carried franchises compared to no 2/3 options who complement there teams superstar
@@davis2k1234 carried their franchises where? Lol Read the text again and you should be able to understand what carrying really means
Steve Nash better be on this list.
Steve Nash is no. 15. I'm a simple man, I see Nash, I hit like.
I would have put Melo over Embiid
Bro Steve Nash should not be ranked higher than Jason Kidd and I’m sorry Jokic cannot be higher than Giannis considering he has 2 more all nba & all star appearances plus 5 defensive teams & a Dpoy not to forget the most improved player
Kawhi over Wade? 😂😂😂
Tim
Kobe
Dirk
Nash
Garnett
Ray Allen
Paul Pierce
JKidd
AI
Pau Gasol
*
LBJ
DWade
Dwight
KD
Steph
CP3
Jimmy
Russ
Harden
Kawhi
*
Jokic
Luka
Embiid
Giannis
JT
Luka over Tracy? Over Melo? Really?
Tracy never made it out of the 1st round at least Luka is leading the Mavs to some playoff success
Hi
I can't... Butler over Embiid? c-ya
LBJ. GOAT.
Don't rank again. A lot of what you say contradicts how you rank. 🙄
These broadcasting companies should really start drug testing. ESPN and now the Score
BIG BEN Walllace over Luka.
N put Agent Zero in the honorable mentions
Gil's prime might be short. But people will still remember it.
Melo not on this list is insane top 10 all time in scoring n a top 75 player lol wow def taking Luka out for Melo bruh
Maybe the worst list i ve ever seen and i saw osn and nick wright top 50 lists
Bruh Duncan, Kobe and Shaq should be above Steph.
Its too much recency bias here
i love luka but come on
Melo all day
Giannis too low. KG way too high. Swap KG spot for KGs and its better.
Anthony Davis is definitely too low
Should be above Butler Embiid etc
Iverson too
Melo is top 75 and his whole career was during this era and there was no “he shouldn’t be on that list” debate so how do you keep him off? Please remove Dame or Luka.
Dame over Kyrie is dumb
Duncan Steph over kobe jaja
timmy is understandable & ok
steph isnt/just not yet
@@mirr11-nagnay not Timmy kobe had more impact on the game bro he was on a totally different level
@@jesseboy1961kobe had more skills & fanbase but timmy had better team impact & more mvp/fmvp awards also got the spurs offense designed from him the majority of his career.
@@mirr11-nagnay let’s agree to disagree 😎
@@mirr11-nagnayhe never understand that hes a kobe idiot fans