Did Jesus refer to himself as a Joseph figure? - Messiah Son of Joseph - EP 15 - Case for Messiah
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- Who is the Messiah son of Joseph? Was this a post temple concept or a promise found in scriptures? How does Jesus relate to this concept? Listen with us and SHARE this fascinating series on the Messiah son of Joseph!
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There is another parallel that reinforces the "son of Joseph" typology. In the Old Testament, Joseph is warned in his dreams, and his dream interpretation helped save the lives, leading the family of Jacob to flee to Egypt. In the Gospel of Matthew, Joseph (the husband of Mary) is warned in his dreams, and this ends up saving the lives of Mary and Jesus, causing them to flee to Egypt. I don't think this is mere coincidence. This seems to me to further reinforce the typology of Jesus being the "son of Joseph".
Since this is not relevant to salvation by pondering the notion of Jesus being suggested as Messiah bin Joseph - another corelation could be as Jesus said forgive them for they know not what they do- ties into Joseph forgiveness for his brothers - I see the similarities in Joseph and Jesus but I choose to bring it back to God's Spirit singling out the faithful which makes one family over direct bloodlines..in other words I prefer the spiritual connection over the physical -(1 John 2:6) that is what The Holy Spirit can accomplish by making connection inside the chosen people and outside ( Gentile) this I think is the Dr.'s point
This is truly a Hanukkah moment the meaning of bringing “light to the world”. It is such a blessing and thank you for bringing it to us. The Lord continually never ceases to amaze us through His miracles.
Great point! Hearing this anytime would be awesome but considering it was brought to "light" in Israel by the One for Israel ministry during Hanukah is mind blowing. Only our Lord could orchestrate such a thing!
Baruch Ha'shem Adonai! Forever! Amen 🕎✝️
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I have bought both Mitchell’s book about Messiah Ben Josef and Jesus the Incarnation of the Word and read them over and over. What joy they have given me. I have bought them for pastors. Buy them, read them. The Lord is really magnified in the books. And like the facets of a beautiful diamond the light of the Lord shines through this neglected teaching. I thank the Lord for this man’s work. ❤❤😊
Thanks for the recommendation. I've just ordered them both to read over Christmas.
This series has been fascinating! Jesus truly is everything we all need. Thank you for sharing it with us!
Shalom from Liverpool UK.
I love this series and it is so timely with the Torah portion now being about the life of Yosef. Thanks OFI and Dr David.
Who better to get the knowledge of truth from than God's chosen people.
Have a blessed week! ❤❤❤❤❤
They are not.
Surely there is a spirit in man and the breath of Shadday gives him understanding
Elihu
Please, enlighten us instead of throwing an empty comment .
@@verdiblue interesting comment. Curious what is your position from the Scripture.
@@MichaelDBiggs they were the chosen true, but for two reasons only - as an example to the nations surrounding them and to bring forth the messiah. the one messiah, not ben david or ben joseph (the talmud speaks of at least 4 messiahs one being israel and also speaks of the sacred serpent). jesus just before he was betrayed told them plainly that the kingdom was taken from them and given to another nation. jesus fulfilled scripture, the prophets and the law and instituted a new covenant by which all could approach the throne and have their sins forgiven. the new covenant over-rides the old in all aspects because the law was only to show them they were sinners and in need of a saviour. now that the saviour is revealed the church being made up of all ethnic groups including believing jews are the chosen. the jews lost that (actually surrendered it) totally in 70ad when christ made it a finality. the jews, if there are actual jews today considering that they have mixed their blood many times over history, are joined together with the gentiles into one body. there is neither jew nor greek.
Loving this series so much from a fellow Scot! Mind blowing! Thank you One for Israel!
Yes.. he's a fantastic scholar! 🕎🏴 🇮🇱✝️👍
I appreciate Scots, they really know their bibles!!!
Hi brethren, thanks for the interesting series! Isaiah 11 says: In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples... and ... Ephraim will not be jealous of Judah, nor Judah hostile toward Ephraim. The two promisses have been fullfilled in the one Messiah :)
Hallelujah!!!
Amen
Please dr. David Mitchell, release your books virtually, in Kindle format! I'm a Brazilian man who can't wait to read them!
I am drawn to John Chapter 4 where Yeshua reveals Himself as Messiah in the place where Yosef is buried by Jacobs well in Shechem.
I've been fortunate enough to have seen Joseph's tomb in Shechem and the ruins of the old town nearby. We were standing on the mount of blessing (Mt Gerizim) where the Samaritans live. It's not very safe to enter Shechem unless you are Muslim or have an IDF guard.
@@NicholaWallace Muslims have claimed all the heroes of the Bible, all the important landmark sites, the holy temple mount and the very promised land for themselves. We are in the age of restoration, promised land is getting restored inch by inch and not long from now rest would also be restored. God is judging Islam.
I think all the patriarchs are buried at the cave of MachPelah near Shechem with Joseph. Oral tradition says including Adam and Eve, Shem included. I pray no one finds them. After seeing how they treat the bodies of the Pharaohs exposed for the world to see. Joseph’s tomb in Egypt Israel is empty. Perhaps another foreshadowing of Messiah.
What a fascinating series! As I watched this and they were discussing for Jesus to be both descended from David and Joseph, it would come through his mother Mary, I thought back to Genesis 3:15, when God is expelling Adam and Eve from the garden. Here, God says that there would be "enmity between his seed and hers." Women do not have seed, only men do. But in this unique moment, God makes this extraordinary statement, I believe it is foreshadowing Jesus' birth and lineage through a woman. I am not aware of any other time when anyone made such a statement. I am once again deeply moved to see the extraordinary detail of God's divine plan of redemption to restore all that was lost when sin entered the world. The story of Jesus, son of Joseph, may not be for us Gentiles, but for those of the divided kingdoms of Judah and Israel. Learning this as a Gentile only increases my awe and praise!
Absolutely LOVE this series! ❤ Please keep it coming!
It makes sense to me that Jesus assumed the role of Messiah son of Joseph in his 1st coming, and the New Testament looks for Him to assume the Messiah son of David at His 2nd coming, at the end of the Tribulation.
The topic of Jesus containing all the different DNA is VERY fascinating! It brings to mind the passage in Ezekiel 37:17, where we read of the 2 sticks becoming 1. Could this be a dual prophecy? Can it be fulfilled by Jesus and the reunification of the whole house of Israel?
Very insightful. God bless you One for Israel
We have been going through Joseph's story in our study of Genesis. As we talked about similarities between Joseph's life and Jesus', I mentioned that in Joseph's case, his brothers recognized him afar off and plotted to kill him. One of the other ladies brought up this same parable you mention from Jesus, and again the wicked tenants recognized him as the son from afar off. It has changed my perspective on whether or not the rabbis and pharisees in Jesus' day just missed it or whether they knew He was Lord, but they would rather remain as lord themselves rather than bow to Him. They liked having the worship of people. They, unlike John the Immerser, were not willing to become decrease.
Just another wake up call. All glory to God Almighty the mighty loving creator and awesome planner.
I so enjoyed these talks and thrilled to hear what Dr. Mitchell had to say. Erudite and humble in his presentation, I learnt so much that was new and moving. I would love to hear the Scotsman expound on the Messianic Psalms too. I am sure we would all learn a lot and be blessed by his and 'One for Israel's' insight. Thank you!
I grew up knowing that Joseph was an Old Testament type of Jesus Christ, so this is exciting teaching.
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. (John 6:44 KJV) 🙏🏽❤️🙌🏾💯
I love listening to you Jewish Bible scholars discussing the New Testament. Praise God, for this wonderful blessing 🙏🏼❤️🙏🏼 I pray that God will bless you men abundantly more than you can possibly think or ask💗
This is the best Bible study. Thank you.
Such a joyous study, these 3 expositions! My friend who listens to what I bring to have him hear, and who is of miniscual words, said last week.." that makes sense". ( talk about mic drop!). Please pray for Alan, a jewish unbeliever, listening.
Father in heaven... We're here to lift up Alan. You know about his spiritual blindness.. you know what he needs Father. There is room at the cross for Alan.. there is enough blood at the cross for Alan. He needs your mercy Lord. You tell us 'mercy triumphs over judgement'. Save him Father to your glory. We ask this in Yeshua's holy name. Amen!
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Oh boyoboyoboy ! My little grey cells are dancing with joy ! Teachers are still learning and as we all lean in to His majesty our joy just explodes ! I LOVE This One for Israel ! I Love You all !! Woo Hoo ! Now we are going somewhere Good !
Thanks so much for this series!!!! Praise Hashem for ever!!! Yeshua our Lord and Savior
These three podcasts have just touched my soul. To see how god interweaves this world to save all is astounding and such a comfort. Additionally as a woman it is comforting and vindicating to be recognized through the maternal lineage and so god adds comfort and restoration to the woman. I have listened to these 2 times each and night the books. I would really love to learn about the 12 tribes from one for Israel. God bless you and keep you and let his face shine upon you! Amen
This series is amazing! I bought the book because I've always sensed the Messiah ben Joesph thread was in scripture but underplayed. These comments also sheds light on the strained relations between Galileans and Judeans (John 1:46 - Can anything good come out of Nazareth?) It makes me wonder if Israel in 1948 could have been called Judea.
In a way maybe the name of Israel is prophetic, where it's not only for the Jews, but also for those living in it, with the Samaritans (who are still living), the Arabs, etc., uniting to be the "new Israel" under Jesus.
This has been an amazing series. I have really enjoyed it! Fun apologetics challenge looking back and forth at all these passages thinking critically at who is who and determining no I am quite sure they are talking about THE MESSIAH. Much like the evening and the morning being summed up to one day how amazing this picture of four images of salvation is our lord. He fills the needs of so many. Hope to have David Mitchell back soon!
HalleluYah! The whole series so far it's "mic drop" material! Thank you ABBA that you are reveling this wonderful Truth to all! May your Name be lifted up, and exalted to our Mesiach your Taheb that restores our life trough his sacrifice and resurrection by Your power, to live according your Éternal Torah! Thank you One for Israel
No words here. Great is our Messiah, Jesus, the only One!
This is next level, Dr. Michael Brown himself will find this information new (I've never heard him speak on these things). This is mind blowing to any Jewish scholar to learn that the "Son of Joseph" is as important and biblical to both the OT and the NT, thank you God for your amazing word and how Jesus perfectly fulfills the true expectation of the Messiah!
I don’t believe that Jesus in Matthew 22:45 was saying he wasn’t Messiah Son of David, or even that He wasn’t ready to be called that. His point was that Messiah would be God. Not just a man.
You may have miss the point, as the emphasis in this video about Joseph. He is the son of David, but he refers himself as Son of Man. The point in the video is that Jesus does not refer to himself in the Gospels as son of David …so that the Ephraim Expectation for the messiah of Joseph , they could see Jesus as fulfilment . And as for your passage you cited....read many many times...did he call himself son of David? And furthermore, he is the son of David but is he the Son of David? Did you not get that "vibe " ... Jesus is saying "Really , I am the son of David?"Think really carefully about the passage! Which anyway you have kind of pointed out anyway
Jesus is the Messiah , he is not a Son of Joseph
@@celsacamporedondo9573 you will not be suited to talk to the Jews. You don’t understand what the people above are talking about. One for Israel primary mission are for the Jews. Thus the messianic prophecies include the understanding of son of Joseph. If you study the verses, you will see it yourself. I myself have seen something about the blessings for Joseph before but I don’t understand it all, my understanding is quite simple …and the foreshadows for Joseph as the type of Jesus in the first coming is very strong, and not as David like King. They were all shouting Hosanna, son of David but he did not meet their expectations. Read the scriptures as they have cited and check it out for yourself. He is saying the rabbis have done it for thousands of years ago and made the case for son of Joseph as the messiah ( one of). Do a Google search and read the Jewish websites. So if you want to evangelise to them …. You work through the Scriptures like what The Bereans did as recorded in Acts. You search the scriptures.
@@celsacamporedondo9573You may have to go back and watch the first video of this series. This is video #3 of the series. He connects how the Lord Jesus also had a lineage connection to Joseph, the one sold into slavery by his brothers.
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Once more Dr. Postell and Dr. Broshi thank you for asking all of the right questions. Reading Dr. Mitchell’s work these are all of the questions I wished I could ask. Thank you! One For Israel 🇮🇱 🙏🏾
Amazing series. Each episode brings interesting insight to historical context.
Wow. Some amazing things are discussed here. Just when we think we know all there is about Messiah or any thing of God, He has a way of surprising us! Some will reject this as superficial nonsense. God actually enjoys leaving tidbits like these throughout His Word to surprise and excite us. He is so amazing!
Thank you for this wonderful discussion.
John also refers to Jesus in Zechariah 11:11 “…..And the poor of the flock that *kept MY WORD* knew this, that it was
*THE WORD of the Lord”*
John 10:27 My sheep
*listen to MY VOICE* ; I know them, and *they follow*
John 14:23
“If anyone loves Me, he will
*keep MY WORD”*
This series is so exciting!
Replayed this four times today.
Best series so far, apart from that of the testimonies ❤ keep it coming please in keeping with the Parashot
Fascinating series with Dr David Gill. Hopefully there is a 4th episode..
Great discussion about how the loose ends are brought together in the One true Messiah. Mic drops and eyebrow explosions galore! Wow!
My first Word from God was from my ER instructor, as a nursing student, a Messianic Jew and the Word was from Isaiah 61 I think 🧐 but I found it in Luke 4:18-20 later and was so excited 😆
our lord YAHWEH called him my beloved son
I’m really mind blown here and there’s so much to unpack and discuss I can feel that I’ve only reached the tip of the iceberg so to speak of understanding all you’re saying here. Please continue on this topic to a deeper level, bc it’s fascinating. Love this channel!
I've been looking forward to this!
Amazing series. I can't wait for more
Absolutely amazing!!! We’ve been studying these ; typologies for a bit now!!! So good to see it come to light to lord! May Yeshua light the world!!! ❤
_AND THE LORD DIRECT YOUR HEARTS INTO THE LOVE OF GOD, AND INTO THE PATIENT WAITING FOR CHRIST._
2 Thessalonians 3:5
This is a most excellent teaching. Thank you One for Israel!
I lead the adult small group study at my church. I have some formal Bible and Theology training (BA), but that rally just gave me the basic tools for sound, lifelong study. I have continued learning throughout my life. My job is to mine the Scriptures and present easily understood and digestible teaching. I’ve made a couple trips to Israel with a close friend who teaches at a seminary and those visits to Israel were incredibly valuable for seeing Scripture in context and making the Scriptures “light up”. I said that to say this, this channel and these videos are tremendously helpful for me in doing what I’m supposed to be doing and they are also very helpful for my personal relationship with Almighty God. Thank You! 👍🏻
Then get yourself the Strongest Strong’s exhaustive concordance published by Zondervan All you need is in the book. The little words. Names of people, places,events and actions.
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Thanks I’m pretty familiar with many of the textual resources for studying the Scriptures. I think context is an important tool for correct interpretation so I’m always researching l, including on-site visits
good exegesis require
historical cultural social context
and also being knowledgeable in Greek Hebrew Latin Aramaic 😅
@@josemoody1743 Indeed! 🥴
@@josemoody1743Does it? I disagree that understanding the Holy Bible requires knowledge of any language besides English.
Such amazing teaching! I get the book tomorrow. I can’t wait!
It's amazing and really good news for all nations. These words are believable. God is good. His name is forever. Amen 🙏
Fantastic episode. I now have Dr. Mitchell’s book and look forward to studying it! TY OFI! Shalom.
The lineage of Jesus has to be shown through “Miriam” because of his virgin birth via The Holy Spirit!!!
There is no other way around this fact.
Reared a Gentile Christian, and at 66 I’m finally seeing this!
God bless you for sharing this important word with us.
He then told me, I too, was a Descendant of David and we are the bridge 🌉 to fill the gap ❤ I love Psalms and He knew that would light my heart ❤️🔥🙏
Shalom for Israel in Jesus Christ name ♥️
Me and my house hold stand with the people of Israel
MIC DROP! Amazing. Thank you for this episode!
This is the best series you guys have done. WOW. ❤
Love you guys
“Explosion to the eyebrows”.
I love it!!
Beautiful teachings of the Word of God. Thank you men of God.
again praise LORD great session; jesus bring all around him , great session
Enjoying listening from a fellow scot. Maranatha ❤
Wow, so interesting!! Thank you all.
This is so good - thank you. I could listen to you brothers ad infinitum...🙂
Thank you, for this session. We must remember that Yisroel (Ya'akov) was the link as well.
Wow!!! Glory to God in the highest!!!
Always blow my mind!! Love you guys
Just amazing! Thank you so much for bringing us this teaching. I wonder if this is the fresh revelation we were promised in these last days. God Bless you all~
My eyebrows literally exploded when you mentioned the Samaritan messiah!
Loving this series
Absolutely stunning presentation - Thanks very much Dr's for all the details - Baruch Atah Adonai Eloheinu Melech HaOlam
Also Genesis 3:15-It was promised through the seed of the woman. I ordered the book. It is coming tomorrow. Should be a wonderful read and study. Thank you for bringing this to us. I will share with my friends.
Great debate, thank you.
Thank you for words of Wisdom ❤❤❤
Beautifully mapped out! YesAnyone who identified Christ as the Promised One in many of the Biblical Varied ways to Him, Christ always held that it was His Father in heaven whom gave the inspiration. 🎉
It always came from The Holy Spirit!! As God Was Walking Upon His Earth With His Creation from every Tongue and Tribe!
Love this 🙏🏼❤️🔥XOXO psalms 87
P.S. will share on my FB page 🎉
Fascinating insights! I would love to hear his thoughts on Jesus being called a Nazarene since this prophecy is difficult to find in the Tanakh
What a wonderful blessing to receive this light of further knowledge while watching this on the last night of Hanukkah. Jesus/Yeshua is the holy Messiah of that there can be no doubt. Not that I had any but still wow. Thank you and God bless
This was absolutely amazing and wow, yeah, jaw dropping very, very good information and Truth! Amazing 🙏🏼❤✝👑
"and KNOWLEDGE shall increase"
This is the 1st I've heard of Messiah ben Joseph, amazing and fantastic. As a new teaching I proceed with caution. But today, reading Zechariah 12 -14 in David Stern's Complete Jewish Study Bible pg 887 the Messianic Prophecy, The Return of Messiah, in the last paragraph the commentary speaks of two Messiahs, one who would reign on David's throne and one who would suffer and die. The suffering Messiah was called Son of Yosef after Biblical Yosef who suffered even though he was innocent. With this I am more settled, I now have a second witness of this new teaching and extend many thanks to One for Israel for bringing us ever closer to knowing our Messiah. Thank you and Shalom.
Be cautious here though , Jesus told the Samaritan woman that salvation is of the Jews . Jesus was the Lion of Judah , not an Ephraimite. Paul also refers to Jesus as a priest according to the order of melchizzidech in which Jesus is not of an earthly priesthood
John also refers to Jesus in Zechariah 11:11 “…..And the poor of the flock that *kept MY WORD* knew this, that it was
*THE WORD of the Lord”*
John 10:27 My sheep
*listen to MY VOICE* ; I know them, and *they follow*
This is the way I see it:
1- "Jeshua the Son of Joseph" means the way locals recognize him, as they refer to his father Joseph here on Earth.
2- Jeshua the Son of David" represents the root of his lineage according to the prophecy.
3- "Jeshua the Son of God" represents his truest and heavenly identity.
It's really good research. Thank you Sirs.
How wonderful! Our Messiah is Son of God by the power of the Holy Spirit, and through his mother's lineage; Son of Aaron, (priest) and Joseph and David (King). God knows the end from the beginning and tell us, if we dig for the hidden treasure in His Word. Thanks to you all; 3 "wise men" 😊😊 From the ends of the earth I will Praise Him
The best on youtube. One for Israel.
So beautiful!! Thank you!
We're studying John's gospel in BSF this year, and this is really great (and we studied the divided kingdom last year), although if John was writing to Galilean Jews, how could he have been doing so from so far away in Greece, as he spent much of his later life in Ephesus and then on Patmos? Also (an edit from earlier), God said the "woman's seed" would crush the serpent's head!
Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away; but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory; the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory; but just as it is written, “THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD, AND which HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN, ALL THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM.”
This presentation is an absolute game changer. It ties the Northern Kingdom to the Southern Kingdom. It ties types of Messiahs and DNA Messiahs into one Jesus! He really is the Savior of all! All the scriptures of Ephraim and Judah make sense to me. The stick of Joseph and the stick of Judah being one in thy hand is Jesus! Ephraim is to gather in the latter days. Christ told his Apostles in Galilee, Go ye into all the world and preach my Gospel. Christ's apostle must have been mostly Ephraimites to be able to go into all the world? Wow. The dots are connecting!
I got the Holy Spirit at “The Well” and He restored my Faith right after seeing videos on U boob saying He never existed…
I’m blown away! Thank you!!!!
Wow! For years I have been wondering why Messiah would come from Judah when Joseph was a better candidate, this blows my mind! He could be from both Judah and Joseph!!!
I've grown to believe that Matt22:45 was not only referencing his humanity but also his divinity. David calls him Lord because he IS Lord!
This is fantastic, mind blown, and at the same time, it is a resolution of so much in my brain I saw Ruth coming in as bringing in the gentiles to salvation, this so much bigger than my brain could imagine now it seems clear.
This is so awesome, thanx. Shalom
I was aware of the idea of a Messiah son of Joseph for many decades, but it never occurred to me that some of the references to "son of Joseph" in the gospels would be talking about "the Messiah son of Joseph" instead of merely saying "Jesus was the step-son of the husband of Mary, who everyone knows is named Joseph". I also had not really realized that in the day of Jesus's ministry, the Galileans were not just "descendants of Judah who happened to live in Galilee", but were mostly made up of descendants of the northern tribes. I probably would have realized that if I had thought about it for awhile, but it had not occurred to me.
A small point: One would not refer to Jesus as the "stepson" of Joseph. Stepson would require Mary to have borne Jesus from a prior marriage, then to be married again to Joseph.
Jesus would have been legally Joseph's son.
@@warnerchandler9826 - that's a very good point to make. Thanks for adding that!
Absolutely astounding.
Wow, this is food for thought, mindblowing!
This study is amazing. I think this could be explored as well, since number three is so intrinsic in the Scriptures. "A cord of three strands is not quickly broken” (Ecclesiastes 4:12). He is the Messiah the Seed of the woman (Genesis 3:15) all descendants of Eve, therefore the whole human race. He is the Messiah Son of Joseph (John 4) as presented in this study; He is the Messiah Son of David (Revelation 22:16).