The Problem With the Gender “Binary” | The Problem With Jon Stewart
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- What is a woman? Suddenly, everyone’s asking, and it turns out the answer is complicated. Jon breaks down the gender binary and gender spectrum in this week’s episode.
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Jon calling himself out for his past comments first and foremost is pure class. I wish actual leaders and politicians were able to admit their faults in such a manner.
No it isn't, he is basically admitting that he flip flops if the check has enough zeros. He's a hand puppet for apple.
@@samich2220 words have meaning. By referring to someone changing their opinion over a timespan of 20 years about something that was probably never linked to any fundamental belief as "flip-flopping", you completely destroy any meaning that word ever had.
Also as a side effect you seemingly reveal a lot about yourself since you make it sound like despite ever-changing societal and evidential contexts, adapting ones own beliefs and opinions about the world is a moral failure. The classic conservative mindset I suppose, but to me that just seems obviously wrong 🤷♂
@@samich2220 changing your mind or position over time as you learn more about a subject is not flip flopping
Standing for the same position in defiance of evidence contrary to your argument or position is absolutely fucking ridiculous
No wonder they call it conservatism, y'all never want anything to change. If it were up to y'all, we would still be in caves throwing rocks at animals to kill them
@@mekullag9787100%
It feels a little...forced? He's a human, and learns like the rest of us. Back then, he probably had no idea, like most of us, about these issues. Him shitting on his past self that probably couldn't have known better feels like overly bending the knee as to not piss off the Twitter mob.
"A woman is 30 Shekels."🤣
My father was offered 10 camels in return for my sister in Turkey in 2001. He thankfully declined and we walked on. 😅
Ten camels?? She musta been a real babe!
My son in law (in collusion with my daughter) gave me 3 ornamental camels at the wedding.
@@andrewharrison8436 😂😳How do I have to picture that?
10 camels seems like a lot, was your dad drinking?
@@drewski5730 😂It was more about my sister, she's a darker kind, brunette with brown eyes. We always teased her for having the "Turkish look".
But my Dad didn't refuse a good drink either, same as me lol.
The glamour shot of John as the representative of "girly man" is hilarious, lol.
My general opinion on folks who wish to redefine their sex: it is none of my damn business. I hope it goes well for them and it makes them happy.
That’s how I see it!
I’ll call you whatever name makes you most comfortable because it doesn’t really have a effect on me.
@@themachine9000 correction...that's how all non psychopaths see it.
Tell that to me when they chemically castrate your child.
It is your business though because trans rights are human rights.
Your view couldn't be more naive given what's going on today regarding gender
I think I'm doing this wrong. I got like 12 cents and a croissant.
Thank you for the laugh😂
Would you accept 2 bagels, one with everything?
@@mickware5289 Buddhist monk goes up to the hotdog salesman, he says, "make me one with everything"
@@cattheminion gives him a twenty and waits for the hot dog man to give him some money back. He asks the hot dog man, hello where is my change? The hot dog man replies, "change comes from within"
@@crzyprplmnky HA! I didn't know that one. Good stuff.
It’s great that John is willing to admit that not everything he said in the past was correct and that it was reductive. We grow as people and if you are the same person now as twenty years ago then you are doing something wrong.
No he was right then . He’s wrong now
A few hours ago I wrote that there are two genders and if you dont agree with basic biology you should get in touch with a specialist ... And the comment is gone. Posting a second one. Thanks Google.
A 15-year-old castrating himself is "informed consent", but an 18-year-old taking out a college loan is "predatory lending".
@@Brendan.Day76 Well don't you sound uncertain about your sexuality, in fact you're confused about EVERYTHING!
@@iainherridge6253 Stop projecting (:
"there are only two genders!"
Lewis Black: But have you seen Madonna's backup dancers?
They are still one gender or the other. Madonna on the other hand is a different species
@@mattpowell6291 People mistake sex and gender. You'd never talk about gender in a biology sense. And even in a biology sense cross gene recombination makes the subject more nuanced than what your typical person would give it credit for. The sex binary is really only useful to the degree that we know that if you pair a person up with a penis up with a person with a vagina, then they'll probably be able to produce another person; and that we know the chromosome sequence that'll most likely lead to a person having one or the other. That doesn't really say a lot about who that person is, but society uses it as a way to say who you are, and who you should be. When people are talking about gender they're really talking about a much larger conversation. I personally think trans people would enjoy more success if they attacked the idea of sex identity, instead of doubling down on it by trying to expand the definition.
I never thought he was funny, even when I was a fan of The Daily Show.
Was.
@@ribbrascal1065 dawg is funny but you do you.
@@TheOnesWhoLost will
Justice Brown getting asked what a woman is was purely ridiculous- Barret didn't get asked that question and Kavanagh certainly didn't asked even after Dr Ford came forward with her rape allegation against him
“Adult human female” is a possible answer to this gotcha question.
“If you haven’t changed an opinion in twenty years, check your pulse. You may be dead.” George Bernard Shaw or someone like that said it.
Since when is biology an opinion
Lol, progressives: Yes, I know when you had one apple and was gifted one more apple you only had 2 apples in the past, but today, get with the times. Now 1 plus 1 equals 5. And if you question me you are racist and a bigot.
@@andrewlance713 "Man" and "Woman" are not biological facts. They are social constructs humanity has built around biological expression of certain genetic markers, which themselves lie on a spectrum. There are a myriad of different chromosomal expressions of X and Y chromosomes that people are just fine and dandy accepting exist along with the existence of intersex people (hermaphrodites). The world would be much better if we all just accepted trans and nonbinary people in that camp instead of taking offense to their existence or the acknowledgement thereof.
I love that quote! I can’t even count how many times I’ve changed my stances with new information. Always be willing to adapt and admit you were wrong!
Scientific facts are NOT opinions!
I’m pansexual.
I only sleep with the kitchen staff.
Do you mean the staff at the end of the kitchen broom?
Edit: your joke was funny
Hahahaa😂 @lohphat & @Anthony Twohill
Are you work in the kitchen?
@@l.w.4701 Thanks
👎
I vote for people to live their lives whatever it makes them confortable without losing basic human decency
@@ixlnxsI hope you know no one’s forcing kids to transition and that percentage of people who “detransition” is highly inflated, it’s closer to 1-4 percent and even then 75% of that is because those trans people are forced to detransition or pressured to detransition by other people
@@itsthehammanshow4929 Talk to detransitioners. Seriously.
@@ixlnxs talk to trans people, seriously, and the by saying that; doesn’t disprove my point lol
@@itsthehammanshow4929 I know a few transsexuals. Not transtrenders, actual transsexuals who did the whole process. And they agree it should not be allowed on minors like Jackie Green, Jazz Jennings and so many others.
@@ixlnxs bro I hope you know no minors are changing their sex, at least not on a large scale, maybe few, very few talking about under the hundreds, and even then it’s because their lives because of their mental health is in danger, the most trans people do that are under 18 are socially change, no one is forcing little kids to transition and anyone who says that is insane
Wild that the other big name Gen X comedian from the film Half Baked can acknowledge his past off color jokes about trans people and move forward, rather than double down on them.
I'm gonna take a wild stab in the dark guess Dave Chappelle...
So, did you ever actually watch his specials, or are you just going off of what you were told about him.
Cause you should probably watch the whole thing first.
@@idontcare6662 I did, they were transphobic and he doubled down for 3 STRAIGHT stand ups about it. His talk about feeling bad and then changing his mind was just a joke set up. It wasn't real.
@SophiaAphrodite You really just see what you want to see huh?
You see, in reality, he spoke very richly about what it is to be human, that all of us are humans dealing with human problems. That we should see each other as human first and whatever irrelevant sexual identity, second. But not to go so far in the direction of over correcting, but to just make things even and respectful.
Chappelle said something transphobic? I never saw it. @@SophiaAphrodite
I do agree that Elmo, Grimace, and Xenomorph are the representations we need between the binary
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I like Jon, but all of these & i mean ALL of these parents have no idea what they are doing, im gonna write it again, THESE PARENTS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
Jurassic park Ian Malcom dialogue - Nobody controls Nature, life finds a way and people who thinks they are controlling the population of dinos by controlling reproductive organs are only delaying the inevitable and people are gonna DIE.
in reference to humans mutilating their genitalia are going to soon find out when their own kids BRAIN develops and understand they cant have anymore what they were Born With 😤. Idiots. Literally fucking idiots parents. The least they can do is tell their kids do whatever u want once you turn 18 noooo! We want to ruin you in your childhood so when you become adult and understand everything about life and what it means oh its gonna come back and bite them in the ass. Im seriously looking forward to families getting destroyed because they were idiots. Prove me wrong i hope.
Why begone! Xenophobe! And Anti Elmo?
How many genders do dogs have?
@@frederikhyrup2871 Which of the 100 alleged genders is your cat?
I've always thought we were human beings first and everything else second. But that's crazy, right?
@@gianthills what are you implying here, that people who have mental illnesses aren't human?
@@lilyrosethevtuberfan did i say that? we should call mental illness what it is, not pretend it's normal.
Humans are male and female
No that's not crazy. It's actually what conservatives think as well.
@@vids595 for the wrong reasons, sure, reasons that ultimately end up undermining the meaning of "human beings first, and everything else second."
Here's how traditionalists REALLY see it - There are two genders: male and political. There are two races: white and political. There are two sexual orientations: straight and political.
And yet you made it political.... ironic
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black
Nope, male and female. Try again.
Then sidestepping the discussion that Matt Walsh (like him or hate him and his smug self) - the question is valid. If someone is claiming to be something, what is that something? If Jon had that discussion (maybe he does) instead of sidestepping through humor, that would have been more constructive (even if JS retained this view/opinion).
ok, what is a man?
How did he sidestep?
@@rje024 An adult human whose anatomy includes provision for the production and delivery of small gametes (sperm), even if the organs in question never achieved functionality or have ceased being functional.
Ask people. What's an apple
And you'll get tons of different answers
@@rje024 An adult human male.
Ah yes the GI Joe to Barbie spectrum. So universal and so timeless.
A spectrum from "My name is Tarzan, I am jungle man" all the way to "I'm a Barbie girl, in a Barbie world!"
They are toys and an alpha child leaves no toy unexplored. Who watches only one tv show all their life. Variety is spicy and spicy is less boring.
Barbie is a doll, GI Joe is an action figure. They are COMPLETELY different.
@@johnbemery7922 As different as legos and mega blocks. 😄
i remember a news segment on someone essentially giving a GI Joe doll a Barbie voice with random sayings that a girly girl would say when the cord is pulled and a Barbie doll was essentially given a line of assault rifles. i thought it was funny as hell.
We also need to acknowledge that Trans people were seen as normal in Indigenous cultures, and it was the West that pushed the binary on everyone else
Human sacrifice was also seen as normal, let's put that on beer advertisements as well
Hi everyone! To all the confused people around here - you're observing something most people never get to notice: that reality exceeds our language.
Did you know that "blue" didn't always exist? At least in language. Homer described sea as "wine dark." Does that mean that in his times, the sea was a different color? It was red?
People don't stop being real just because our words don't quite cover them yet.
They invented a new word for blue. They don't do that for trans-women, they say "trans-women are women."
In objective reality, red is not blue. Likewise men are not women. So make up a word that covers men who want to be, or think they are women. Girl and woman are taken.
@@Mel-wn9gb what is the color blue?
@@Dennis-nc3vwyes, new words can be invented, and existing words can change definitions. Because language is a social construct, and not a naturally occurring phenomena, with no way to find the “true” meaning of a word.
@@benwetzel8449 Blue is an abstract concept. Women are not. That's why the term 'woman' is a concrete noun, not an abstract one. Women are female human beings. You can see, hear, smell, touch and hear us. I know it's a struggle for some people to accept our humanity, but just deal with it fellas.
I would love to see John interview Matt Walsh
He won’t, he’s a coward.
@@izzysantiago9714 yup Jon sure is
Matt said today that he’s 100% down to do it and doesn’t think John agree. I hope it happens
Matt Walsh doesn't like interviews that he can't manipulate, so probably not, unfortunately
@@agent6567 did you see him in Dr. Phill?
What is the definition of a Woman ?
Answer: Yo MAMA
(it works on various levels)
Nice burn!!!!
Nice
But what if yo momma identifies as non binary?
@@abelgonzales3695 no such thing.
@@anttikristian4060 actually there is champ, many people are born with both sets of genitals. All your fascist nonsense is cherry picked horseshit, from abortion to jews and covid. That's why ten times more of you died from it
"It depends on what the meaning of the word is."
She wasn’t prepared to be called out, I love this for her
They never are.
There's nothing behind their beliefs aside from a burning need to deprive women, POC, and LGBTQ+ of their rights.
They're stupid bigots, all of them.
They aren't attracted to the republican party because of the things it accomplishes for people like them; they appreciate what it does _to_ people who _aren't_ like them (eg: removing rights based on their demographic).
It's pure bigotry.
A girl that does stereotypically boy things is not less of a girl. A woman that has short hair or does wear a dress or make up is not less of a woman. Stereotypes do not make someone a woman being an adult human female does.
@@coolchannelforpostingcoolv8331 That's exactly what it is. It's delusional males acting out sexist sterotypes and aggresively making dumb demands of society. NO, there is no such thing as a "gendered brain" or "gendered soul".
@@coolchannelforpostingcoolv8331 Then what exactly is it ??
If it's not about outward appearance and perception why have surgery, why take hormones, why wear typically female clothes, why insist on female pronouns ??
@@coolchannelforpostingcoolv8331 trans people aren’t the only ones included in this discussion… but this person has the right to believe that a man with gender dysphoria who takes treatments and has surgeries to “present” and “pass” as a woman is still biologically male.
@@coolchannelforpostingcoolv8331 It's people's inability to come to terms with the difference between their preferred behavior and their perceived expectations of gender norms by everyone else. They don't think they align with what everyone else expects someone of their gender to act like, so they say they're something else. It's fantasy nonsense and helps nobody. If you're a masculine female, go do it. Just stop calling yourself a man. You can't change your chromosomes. You're helping nobody and you're actively permanently harming thousands of children by supporting this nonsense.
This is all just a marketing ploy for Healthcare/Pharma to make money. Getting hundreds of thousands of kids roped into this madness will make billions of dollars per year. Healthcare/pharma completely controls democrats and liberal media. That's all this is. They've been doing it since the Flexner Report in 1910.
@@coolchannelforpostingcoolv8331 how do you feel about those who say trans women are women but also biologically male
I am sad that Bowie wasn't there in the middle
Me too! Bowie and his ilk were 100% the opposite of these reactionary gender theorists. Bowie, Hendrix, Jagger, Pop, Bolan, Glitter et al proved that a man could wear a dress and make-up, dance and shriek, and still be a man. Gender theorists say the exact opposite: if a boy likes ballet, he's a girl. Gender theory is sexist and homophobic AF.
I would have put in Dr. Frankenfurter myself, just because Tim Curry seems to make everything better.
Thats actually so good
bowie transcends gender
@@Harper180 To be fair, Bowie often looks like an alien that transcends this plane of existence. Like if 5th dimensional invaders show up tomorrow and they look like David Bowie personas, a good chunk of us will look at it and say "yeah, that tracks".
Jon has truly lost his fucking mind. How could you even discriminate against a woman in ancient times if you can't establish what a woman even is?
These hypocrits have no problem referring to women using chattel language.
The point is that using historical precedent which is clearly biased against women as a basis for our modern understanding of gender is absurd.
@@APaleDot Well the difference is everyone knew what a woman is and he’s taking things describing women. It’s like saying 40 year old is being described differently in the 1700s vs now but the reality is 30 years old isn’t a fluid thing. A woman is a woman. It’s not really complicated and only those who try to make it out to be, tend to benefit in whatever sick world they live in and destroy those they manipulate into it. 50% suicide rate.
@@APaleDot John basing his idea of a woman on femininity and stereotypes feels like he's just furthering that.
@@gradeabutt what was the scale about?
I love how frames this bit in a leftist way by throwing the right's talking points in their own faces.
There are some cultures with three genders but they are statically rare.
Straw man arguments with a laugh track are still straw man arguments. I don't think anyone doubted that there were degrees of masculinity and femininity among people.
Exactly
Yeah he already lost me when I realized there was a laugh track, then he went on to not disprove anything.. and I'm actually a huge Jon Stewart fan. No one said there's not different ways to describe men and women within the biological confines of male and female.
Being nice to people doesn't mean you have to completely abdicate foundational science to protect their feelings.
@@GeronimoPlaz If people choose to play along with the pronouns a trans person wants to be refered by, it is as a matter of courtesy, not because the trans person has actually changed sex. On the other hand, how the legal system categorizes people's sex should be based on biological reality, not based on self-identification.
@@dandrechesterfield5411 Stewart has always been bought and paid for.
The first list were not genders but rather variations of male and female expressions...
He’s a clone
Correct. These ideologues can't even logically define their own terms. They are simply seeking the POWER which comes from calling others "BIGOTS".
Exactly.
@@coolchannelforpostingcoolv8331 You can express yourself however you want and still accept you're a man. You don't need to call yourself a woman to do it.
The fun starts when you start to define gender. So, what IS it .... _exactly?_
There have been several attempts to put this very, very simple question to bed. And they've all pretty much failed at some point. Is it chromosomes? Oooh, whew.... turns out there are more than two possibilities for those. So, is it the blend of testosterone or estrogen? Haha, welllll.... so, funny story there. OK. It's got to be anatomy, right? No mistaking that one, eh? Why not go ahead and Google that and let me know what you find.
So, then... what exactly _IS_ a woman? I'll wait while you, or Ted Cruz, or anyone... can go out and put together a definition that doesn't smack head-first into an example that proves it's not an accurate indicator. Take your time.
There are two sexes, men and woman, that isn't a 'traditionalist' view, it is science. Gender identity is a separate thing. John Stewart seemed to kind of avoid the issue by using some bizarre definitions from history, none of them scientists.
Yes, random mysogenistic statements about women from the ages is hardly comparable to attempts at scientific definitions.
Your science is out dated please do some actual research 🙄🙄🙄
@@lucylikesthebeatles52726 the latest science is there are only 2 sexes. No third sex has been discovered,right?
We’ll I agree with you
Except science doesn’t say that. It has shown myriad ways in which sex isn’t always binary, in the animal kingdom in general and in humans in particular. And this isn’t just about anomalies (rare mutations, etc.). The spectrum exists on more than just a rare mutational basis.
If you actually want to use science as the basis of your claim, ask for details. I won’t bother going into detail if your purpose is just to deny.
Here’s the problem with shows like this were no solution is spoken and they miss the whole point of it
What is the problem? There's no problem that I can see. This is a public service announcement for all I care.
As with so many things, gender has suffered the drop in resolution that comes with language. We keep forgetting that language itself is short-hand for describing the world around us. If it wasn't in short-hand form it'd take forever to describe anything at all. Language would become too sluggish to use. But when we forget that, we start thinking that our definitions accurately describe the world, and so we try to fit the world within those definitions. But it doesn't fit. It never has, and never will. Whether it be gender, or any other word we've ever come up with, reality is just... bigger than a word.
This comment is excellent. I love it.
@@leilatimeful thank you :)
It's very rare to come across a comment that makes me add a whole new level of depth to the way I think about not just one, but many topics. This is one of those comments. Thanks for laying that out there.
@@njp4321 I'm glad to hear I contributed something useful to somebody!
We should be in awe of the world around us.
But instead we’re in ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! of it.
Sex refers to one's biology. There are two sexes; male and female.
Gender refers to the characteristics typically associated with one's sex. There are two genders; masculine and feminine.
Given every human being exhibits both masculine and feminine characteristics, it is safe to assume there are as many ways to express one's gender, as there are people on the planet - making every individual beautifully and perfectly unique!
(This view is science-based classic liberalism, which celebrates the individual.)
On the other hand, the painfully confusing trend to ignore biology entirely and insist there are a bazillion genders (each one baring its own label), is based on a political calculation that relies on gaslighting, group dynamics, and public shaming, to press home its 'collectivist' agenda.
As a classic liberal, I find this 'progressive' approach to sex/gender politics exceedingly uncomfortable and counter-productive.
... and I look forward to the day when it's just o.k. to be who we are, and not what politicians, activists, celebrities, and ideologues, want us to be!
Why do they feel the need to unnecessarily multiply entities to convey a simple concept? Masculinity and femininity? Wow! It’s almost like there are masculine females and feminine males already in existence, and there isn’t a real need for an exclusive label to feed your ego!
Much of this is mostly true, buy key parts of your assertions are misleading or blatantly false. There are never really binaries in nature. There are always exceptions that make these traits bimodal, not binary.
1. There are at least three sexes, including male, female, and intersex people. The exception doesn't make the rule, but by definition sex isn't a binary.
2. Gender are the expression of sex, there it is strongly correlated, however it isn't 1 to 1. A great example of these are that masculinity and feminity is not universal across cultures, not even across time where we have baby photos of Presidents in dresses. We also have documented evidence of cultures with third genders with some being recognized in our society. As a social construct, gender is still real, but arbitrary and malleable. You shouldn't be arguing from the POV of why are these people trying to create more genders, but instead for the moral or ethical necessity for no doing so.
@@TMKing_MS 1. intersex people is not a third sex, is a combination of the other 2, usually is still either male or female, with some disorder causing ambiguity... but its wrong to consider it a 3rd sex... Anatomy for the production of gametes is what defines "sex" there are only sperm and ova. Only 2 sexes.
2. Gender are generalizations of the sexes in a society, what we understand as "feminine" and "masculine" (those are the only 2 genders)... the problem is people confusing being "feminine" with being a "woman"... a woman is an "adult female human"
@@TMKing_MS There are two sexes, and the exception PROVES the rule. No valid medical consensus suggests a bodily abnormality inhibiting reproductivity or causing bodily ambiguity is indicative of a new archetype of sex identification.
These beliefs indicate that you would rather support "radical acceptance" where you would recommend that people seek to accept their biological sex as their gender, where the evidence shows that this ideology increases suicidality and ideation there of.
*Source*: Austin et al. 2020
Matt Walsh has a great rebuttal to this, way more views, way more subs. If Jon wants me to agree with him, I'd love to see him interview Matt Walsh, instead of someone who doesn't know how to debate.
jon stewart is one of the last people in the political discourse i really do trust. he is unafraid to acknowledge when he's been wrong and that's he's changed without appearing indecisive. him and nina turner keep my light of hope burning.
What was he wrong about though?
@Nothing But Silicone 🇺🇦 I think Peter meant, he doesn't trust people in the widespread political media with one exception being Jon Stewart, who he does trust. So, my guess is he's not criticizing Jon.
@@NothingButSiliconeMaking shitty reductive jokes about non binary/non conforming people -- as Jon stated in the video. Did you *watch* the clip???
@@turbojon8117but what was he wrong about though?
Wrong how?
I watched a movie in 1974, I can't remember the title. The line I remember was from a woman talking about a teenage boy who was gay, and getting ridiculed by his father. She said: "Any kind of love is better than any kind of hate." I know it's just a movie, but to me it spoke volumes. I'm not gay, but I do have gay friends. I also have friends of different cultures, and of different skin tones. That one line has taught me our likenesses far outweigh our differences. As far as sexual preference, or identity, well to each their own, it doesn't make you less of a human being. Those that don't agree, well that's their right not to, but they're wrong.
Is Narcissitic-Manipulative love better then benign hate? Is it better for a mother to say "I gave you life and I can take it away" vs hating individuals who are violent and aggressive/manipulative when your discrimination services as self preservation - protection mechanism and you act on your bias when your safety - well being is at stake?
@@elypeachy3296 I suppose it’s how you define love, and if your definition allows for narcissistic-manipulative actions to be defined as expressions of love. I don’t think everything that someone who loves someone else does is an expression of that love, and so while manipulation can occur in loving relationships, I think that is something separate. Love and manipulation can be separate aspects of a complex relationship. Idk though, you made an interesting comment and you’ve got me thinking about this. Feels like college philosophy class lol
Aggressive manipulation is Not a form of love.
@@elypeachy3296 A narcissist is incapable of loving anything, or anyone that doesn't benefit the narcissist. A mother who says that to their child, is usually disciplining the child, not hating the child. My mother said similar things to me while I was growing up. I watched her take her last breath knowing she loved me. I personally abhor violence, it serves no real purpose. I've defended myself, but the individuals who attacked me aren't worth my effort of hating them, and most were causation. So I should hate all causations? If human beings continue to separate themselves by skin color, or where they were born, racism will exist. If hetrosexual people see those who are of different orientation as less than human, homophobia will exist. The phrase 'Live and let Live' comes to mind.
@@elypeachy3296 "I gave you life and I can take it away" sounds like a death threat to be honest.
Appreciated his acknowledgement of his former jokes
This is unironically the best way for public figures to deal with past behaviour like this. Acknowledge it, be up front about it and don't try to make excuses for it (Jon even goes so far as to make himself the butt of a joke). I can't really overstate how refreshing it was to have somebody recognize their past mistakes without the "it was another time!" being added on to protect their ego.
He will go with whatever is fashionable to whatever his masters tell him
@@drewknukem9928 Yeah but what is a woman?
@@unrealeck Easy question, it's a magazine in the UK:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman_(UK_magazine)
@@unrealeck define a chair
This is the problem with the discussion of gender: Each side is talking about two different things and both are calling them gender!
One side defines it as biological sex and the other is talking about societal norms that are placed upon a person because of their biological sex. (Aka gender norms, but for some reason they call it gender)
Until both sides can figure that out and modify the language they use in these discussions, there will never be a productive discussion on this subject.
It's worse than that, because even biological sex is not strictly binary, since various genetic mutations can lead to indeterminate or blended biological sex.
But really, it's not that each side is talking about two different things. The fascist side understands perfectly well what the compassionate side means, but insists on basing gender roles strictly on the oversimplistic concept of strictly binary biological sexes, so that they can then reject the people who don't fit into their oversimplistic classification scheme.
All that said, the transgender community is IMHO falling into a trap of their own making, discarding decades of gender equality efforts, by accepting and even reinforcing the idea that there is one way to be a woman and one way to be a man. Far be it from me to refuse to accept someone else's statement that they "identify" as a particular gender, but I do have some unease with the implication the gender they identify with must necessarily look, act, feel, etc. a particular way. And yes, that's the implication, because if you can't associate a particular gender with a strict code of those things, then you also couldn't state your own gender identity in relation to those things.
I guess maybe this is a necessary transitional state needed so that we can come to accept that biological sex does _not_ predetermine your identity as it relates to other human beings, but I look forward to the time (maybe hundreds of years in the future, sadly) when people can just be _people_ and we can stop worrying about whether we classify them as "man" or a "woman".
I accept that there is technically a difference between gender and biology, but I think there shouldn’t be. Why should I care what imaginary box you see yourself fitting in to? If you identify as masculine or feminine or something else should not be any concern of mine unless if I express some interest in that. But using goofy pronouns makes what’s going on in your head my problem.
Also, this tends to be a very fluid thing that changes constantly. If you feel more feminine tommorow, then are you going to insist I call you by new pronouns because you don’t feel the same way as yesterday?
@@flashlightwashcloth7283 _"this tends to be a very fluid thing that changes constantly"_ -- "tends to be"? No, I'd have to disagree with that. Most transgender people feel vastly relieved once they accept their "true" gender identity, and they do not "change constantly". Occasionally, someone will decide they were mistaken, but that's not common at all. Far from it.
And for better or worse, the pronouns are all of our problem, not just the transgender people. That we have gendered pronouns at all is an understandable, but unfortunate consequence of the evolution of human language. These pronouns unnecessarily pigeonhole people into categories that while appropriate in the large majority of cases, still tend to make those who _don't_ fit into either of those categories feel like outsiders.
I see two separate issues, both lumped into the broader "transgender" question: people who subscribe to binary genders, but who feel misgendered; and people who don't feel comfortable being identified as either gender (i.e. non-binary people). For me, the latter is more understandable. As I mentioned earlier, the former group of people, instead of following the earlier trend of just rejecting gender norms altogether -- something I personally feel would be the healthier approach -- are doubling down, by choosing one of the historically defined gender roles, on the idea that there is just one way for a man to act and one way for a woman to act. That's their prerogative I guess, but I feel like in the broader social scheme, it's a short-sighted attitude, and just makes it harder for all humans in the long run.
The non-binary individuals seem to me to have more of a point, but at the same time I wonder why it should matter so much. Most transgender people, even non-binary, do have a well-defined biological sex. It's not ideal that our language uses different pronouns for people of different sex, but to me it seems like the bigger picture is that one should be able to act in whatever way they like, regardless of biological sex. It should be no big deal to accept the socially-assigned pronoun, because society should not then make assumptions about who you are based on that pronoun.
Unfortunately, large swaths of society aren't prepared to make that shift. Maybe in a hundred years, or maybe in five hundred, we'll finally be at a place where that's true. But for now, what's a transgender person supposed to do, when all around them are humans who refuse to respect their own personal feelings?
And like it or not, you're part of that society, even if you don't agree with the current social norms. So yeah, it _is_ your problem what's going on in someone else's head, because your society hasn't become enlightened enough to avoid hurting that other person on the basis on what's going on in their head.
Using the right pronoun can be confusing, and it certainly takes more conscious effort for most of us (especially us older folks) to keep up. But given how screwed up society is generally about gender and gender roles, it really is the very _least_ we can do to try to accommodate people who find themselves with really awkward or even painful feelings about the way society has viewed their own gender.
@@harvey66616 That's a whole lot of waffle considering the framing of the argument is wrong. There are two sexes, male and female. "Gender" is just being used by trans advocates to muddy the waters and unfortunately people tend to use this terminology instead of rejecting it and framing it correctly in terms of sex.
You yourself tried to muddy the waters by bringing up aberrations like XXY but these aberrations are still either male or female, there is no "third sex" (or non-sex like the ridiculous non-binary appellation).
Given that sex is binary and that a person can't change sex what you've got is various types of people with some variant of mental condition who pretend to be the opposite sex, you've got people with actual dysphoria who should have psychiatric counselling rather than being railroaded onto puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones and experimental surgery. Then you've got those who are victims of social contagion (mostly autistic females). Then you've got the transvestites and autogynophiles aka the ones that scare the shit out of women because they seem to want to trample all over womens rights and exhibit an extreme form of misogyny.
Then you've got the case of Tomboys and Femboys, girls and boys who wanted to wear different things or play with different toys or generally do things differently to most boys and girls. Instead of just letting them be, now you have trans rights activists who think that girls who wear boys clothing are actually boys and should be given hormones and surgery to change them which is abominable in my opinion.
And regarding pronouns, no one can demand how others refer to them in the third person, it's just ridiculous and speaks to a form of narcissism and controlling behaviour and should be rejected.
@@harvey66616 Thanks for your comment. Your comment untangled my thoughts and put them into words.
Right!!! Is the best Word
There are women and there are men. They are all free to live their lives any way they choose. There are no ways that a woman must behave to be a woman or a man to be a man..
Yeah, isn't it crazy? The alt-left has continued to become *less* inclusive. Instead of letting people not be 'in a box', they've instead decided to form an infinite number of boxes that you can choose to sort yourself into. Which is mad on its own. But with this one, they've decided that even rudimentary physiology shouldn't get in the way of their filing methods.
Except that they aren’t free to do just that.
Not women anyway.
I definitely will adopt the term 'high rolling bimbo'.
I def laughed at the delivery of that one
I’m the Queen of high rolling bad decisions
Lol I spit my drink bruh 💀💀
Good luck bimbo
I am an out and proud high rolling bimbo and my pronouns are "dirty", "rich" and "beautiful"
Ok I'm not an America or a westerner but from an outsider's point of view, what I don't understand is why this is a political issue. Why should the government even have to take a stand on this? Why can't individual businesses, sport federations etc. make their own policies regarding this issue?
It's become a Culture War issue to distract from a failing economy and government. There's nothing new about the argument in the last decade to bring it into the mainstream (except maybe some research into puberty blockers).
But it works as a distraction. Conservatives can trigger their audience and feel persecuted when a transwoman wins a high school tournament. Progressives can talk for days about metaphysics and feel like they're protecting the vulnerable. Also none of them have met a trans person.
What trans people actually care about are the rising number of hate-crimes and murders, not sports competitions.
They have for ages. The Olympics forced all female athletes to take genetic tests to prove they weren't men in disguise. The only woman who didn't have to undergo these tests was Princess Anne...who should have, to prove she wasn't a horse.
Because non-binary and transgender peoples want their status to be enshrined by law so that they receive the same minority protection rights as Black Americans. But their identity is bullshit.
no one can pass a law that reality must bend to the will of ideologues. They can pass laws that force people to call men women or vice versa, they can force womens' sports leagues to let men compete with them, they can indoctrinate they youth to believe that man/woman/nonbinary/space gender is merely a decision a person can make about themselves regardless of their biology, but reality will not comply. The reproductive binary that separates our species into men and women will stubbornly persist, and no amount of language distortion or dystopian regulation will change that.
Because there have been repeated incidents of violence, harassment, and oppression of Trans individuals by not only private citizens and organizations but also our government in the past. This was also the case for Gay and Lesbian individuals (and somewhat still is, though to a much lesser extent now). The goal is to make sure they can live their lives as they see fit without the ability to do so being impeded at lower levels of the government. Currently in multiple states there have been moves to block all trans affirming care as a great example, so far, none have succeeded to my knowledge, but the point is there. We as American's are a very disparate and diverse group and with how the administration of everything is separated, massive disagreements on the legality of something may massively differ from state to state, so the political push is to protect theses freedoms across all states.
Has anyone noticed how Jon channels Charlton Heston's voice sometimes? Funny thing considering Mr. Heston's political views...
The problem with cognitive dissonance.
The hardest thing a person can do is re-examine themselves. Simply calling this cognitive dissonance disregards all of the work and self reflection it takes to consider new ideas and positions that contradict your own. Improving equity for everyone will require change, and forward thinking, and the willingness to consider conflicting ideas otherwise there will be no growth. This is not cognitive dissonance, this is the product of ugly work called self reflection and we could all benefit from doing a bit more of this otherwise we risk getting left behind in a world that moves forward without us. Dont be the caveman, be the Renaissance man... and or woman, or non-binary 😁
@@gradeabutt By a washed up comedian? Ok...
@@gradeabutt washed UP actually, not out. Though now that you mention it, he does look a bit pale and sickly. Stewart lost his popularity and edge years ago. Washed up, no longer relevant.
@@gradeabutt R3t4rd 4l3rt!
@@thisisfine681 not happening, trans women are not real women. Sorry not sorry.
This show would be more successful if they’d just put the whole episodes on TH-cam like John Oliver
I mean it's the current year. Come on!
Agreed
John Oliver is also not fully on TH-cam, only his main or considered most important bits ;) .
@@Dutch3DMaster yup. and john has a much better format, is funnier, and doesnt ONLY do biased and political stories. thats why he has almost ten times as many subs. stewart is using a dead format. very similar to kimmel and that guy on after jimmy. aka, just only share one side and say you are right. lol. its like im watching fox news over here. idk when apple decided to try and just be fox news for the left.
@@Read.A.Journal.Article lol John Oliver is most certainly biased to the same level as Jon Stewart. Do we watch the same show? Don't get me wrong I like both of them but to claim Oliver is somehow more neutral is a farce
Love it!
In 99% of situations, it...kinda doesn't matter, right? Just wear what you want, sleep with who you want, and be generally kind to others. There's still a couple small things that'll need to be figured out, but hell, just that alone gets you most of the way there no?
1% remaining is for child consent, sports, bathrooms, and compelled language.
What about boys with raging penis who claim to be girls just to shower at the girls bathroom? Because it's happened at some school
No, not really
In 99% of situations, it absolutely does matter. A straight person doesn't want to sleep with someone of their own gender. A gay person doesn't want to sleep with someone of the opposite gender. By deliberately obfuscating gender recognition and importance, you open the door for misunderstandings and general societal breakdown.
@@networknomad5600 What a rigid way of thinking. No one's forcing you to sleep with anyone you don't want to. Believe me, surgery has not improved to the point that you wouldn't be able to tell by the hardware, you're not going to get "tricked". I'm straight and married btw, so this isn't the least bit personal. Dress how you want, fuck who you want, relax and enjoy life, it's really that simple ✌
Do you know what personality means?
That falls under the same umbrella as "gotcha questions that sound obvious but aren't if you actually think about it".
No, no. Every personality is a gender with its own flag! Please educate yourself and get yourself a flag. Look up the flag for "cis het", it's a lot of fun.
yeap, these people will twist words and concepts to fool and be fooled. It's a sad thing
That's all it is.
Evidentially he also doesn't know what definition means either...
I respect him for being able to call out his own past on this issue. It helps me feel able to trust his recent actions like that interview with the politician from Arkansas a hell of a lot more than I would have otherwise.
What do you mean? How can you trust denying biological reality?
@@serpentines6356 You mean like you’re doing right now? We literally have numbers on this stuff now. Every fetus ever birthed starts out as female and only differentiates as a series of genes either are or aren’t activated throughout gestation. Something like 1 in 20,000 babies is born intersex because these genes don’t activate “properly” and the doctor has to determine at birth which box the baby fits into better. Thing is, doctors can be wrong sometimes. We literally have evidence of the actual biological reality you’re so bent on denying.
I respect your sexual urges, not common sense...
@@moekrinkle5771 “Common sense” convinces quite a lot of people to believe quite a lot of bullshit throughout history. Not too long ago, it was common sense knowledge that the body was composed of four major fluids called “humors,” and the balance between those fluids determined your health.
@@serpentines6356 "trans people deny biological reality" really is a bit of a strawman. Trans people aren't denying that biology exists, they just disagree that biology should influence the vast majority of gendered interactions. If you're meeting a friend for dinner, the shape of her genitals should not dictate weather or not you tell the waiter "I'm waiting for a man" or "I'm waiting for a woman."
I keep telling people. Why are people so concerned with weather their gender is represented when we still have no representation for the common man in government?
Or people who know the difference between whether and weather
@@lenawagenfuehr53 Or whether people know how to use punctuation to end a sentence?
Let me clear this up, in the unlikely event Jon Stewart actually reads this. For example, starting about 2:00 in this video, a collage of statements starting with Laura Ingraham saying that she grew up a "tom boy." That is describing a PERSONALITY trait. It has nothing to do with who she is physically. Even a modest amount of reason should tell Stewart that Ingraham was well aware growing up that she was girl. She wouldn't be able to describe herself as "tom boy" growing up unless she KNEW what gender she was, a girl. Pretty sure she wasn't confused about that. What Stewart was doing with collage was intentionally conflating personality traits with biology. One of those in his collage was Steve Forbes. Yes, Jon. Men have different PERSONALITIES and interests. Some men lift weights. Some men are more book wormy (is wormy a word, yeah probably not). That doesn't mean any of those men in the collage are confused about their gender. Same for the women in that collage Stewart gave us. I took trigonometry in high school. I noticed some triangles were isosceles. Others were right triangles. Some were acute triangles. I still recognized them as all being triangles. Let's continue, Stewart then proceeds to give us a history lesson on the evolution of woman's rights. For example, according to coverture law (I am going with the assumption that Stewart is correct on the quote, taking it from the video), "... the very being or legal existence of the woman is suspended during marriage... " Uh, yes Jon. Thank you so much for the history lesson. We are all very aware that women have more rights now. At one time in various places in history they couldn't own property either. At one time only about 100 years ago, give or take, in the U.S. women couldn't vote. How does that disprove the idea that there are TWO genders? It DOESN'T. If anything, Stewart is actually only proving the point he pretends to now disagree with. No one could have denied property, or denied votes, or denied anything else to women, as draconian as that is to us in today's world... without first KNOWING what a woman actually IS. Thankfully, people knew the difference between biological men and biological women roughly 100 years ago or the woman's suffrage movement could have become been very convoluted.
2012: It's okay for boys to like pink.
2022: If you like pink you are a girl.
When Laura Ingram was growing up, no one was pouring millions of dollars to lobby for the gov't and insurance companies to pay for SEX reassignment surgeries, no one was pushing hormones and puberty blockers on kids, and parents didn't live in fear their kid might be gay. Actually, when Laura Ingram was growing up, we had role models like Bowie, Prince, and Annie Lennox.
That gotcha question is pretty easy to answer. What is a Women? Any human being with female reproductive organs and double X chromosome. Why is that so controversial?
It’s only controversial for those with an agenda.
@@AnthonyBSusan Can we just agree that anyone can have an agenda. Including Conservative politicians trying to use this issue to scare you into voting for them.
@@AnthonyBSusan I'd add conservative writers and commentators have every incentive to make this a big issue so they can sale books and book interviews, etc.
Agree it very simple. a woman is an adult human female. Its easy to and ill breakdown each Adult, Human, and Female. An adult is any member of a species that reached their average age of reproduction for members of their species. A human is a member of the species, homo sapiens. A female is someone whose reproductive anatomy working as it should or not doesnt matter, is organized around development of the production of small gametes or eggs
We have a set list of what a man or woman is. From your DNA, bones, chromosome, genitals, reproduction capability, ect. You are male or female, there is no 3rd pick. Some of those are much more important than others and one thing that is irrelevant is feelings/belief. Feelings/belief isnt truth, isnt facts, and isnt scientific. Your body will lean more towards one of the 2 genders. Whatever that is, is the gender that you are. By the scientific/ biology definition, we have on woman and man.
Because men in dresses are upset and refuse to accept reality.
Odd that he left out straw man in his list...
@Maester Gryphon Actually several of his episodes have been very well done and fair to both sides. I commented on this one because it felt out of character for him to be so one-sided. Have you watched his interview with Senator Booker? That's my favorite one of his new show so far.
@Maester Gryphon fairly conservative myself (though that label isn't as cut and dry as it once was). Always looking for common ground, however.
@@snoopy104 Do you mean that it isn't as cut and dry since conservatives these days are split between people who actually still believe in conservative ideals and the people who will vote Republican despite them going against just about everything they used to claim to stand for?
@@korganrocks3995 Pretty much, yes.
@@snoopy104 How do you deal with that, if you don't mind me asking? Do you hold your nose and vote R anyway, do you vote for a moderate D or someone else altogether?
I would be HONORED to be called a "gIrLy MaN" by the pregnant Dr. Alex Hesse from the 1994 movie Junior
When you are identified as bread before you are female.
A man is an adult human male. You are not more or less of a man depending on how well you adhere to masculinity.
@@coolchannelforpostingcoolv8331 There are men who aren't "adult human males?" Do you mean "trans men?" Someone who identifies as being a man, despite not meeting the definition of "adult human male?"
Ahhh ur reaching Jon
Those are called character traits.
@@gradeabutt its amazing that u dont get there are males and females
End of discussion
Pop quiz: Define what makes someone male. The exact criteria.
That's what the "what is a woman" gotcha question is all about. It's really easy to act smug like you've got all the answers. Those people who had trouble defining it knew enough to know that whatever they said -- whatever attribute you claim is the magic ingredient that picks your color from the blue/pink spectrum -- can be promptly proven insufficient.
So, if it's that clear-cut, settle the debate. The difference is ________ .
@@nickwallette6201 Ok.
Man: Adult Human Male
Male: of or denoting the sex that produces small, typically motile gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.
Woman: Adult Human Female.
Female: of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes.
The end
@@nickwallette6201 biologically male individuals have one x and one y chromosome
@@jimmybay4743 They're just going to bring up the 0.0000001% of the population of people with a genetic mutation that makes them fall outside the XY/XX norm as if we define large groups by their outliers.
Right ,but why didn’t jon tell that to his buddy Dave Chappell when they were on tour together?
Why didn't he tell him...on WEED?
I did not know what this video was going to be about. After watching it, I can say it is fathoms better than what I expected it to be. Great job 👏
It’s entertaining, otherwise it’s useless. Ignores the obvious, there’s a difference between how you feel about yourself and the reality of human nature. Unfounded claims of bigotry aren’t enough to counter that. If Trump claimed to be a woman for a day in office, he’d be the first female president. Let’s all enjoy more bearded, record setting female powerlifters ext.
Just wanted to give you some basic internet credit for your use of "fathoms"
@@patrick-west I realise I used the word wrong. I was in my college mess area, eating biscuits and drinking tea while typing with one hand. I will do better henceforth.
Notice how he still didn’t answer the question
Making shit up and passing it off as wisdom is a "great job"?
The AG of Arkansas interview was painful...
"I didn't prepare for a supreme court hearing"
Children is high school come better prepared for an history essay than she did legislation which is stripping the rights of parents and vulnerable trans youth.
I don't get his point.
I can call him a crap talk show host but he's still a.....
Talk show host
His point is that there are a lot of people who say that there are only two gender and then start to divide those two in more/ and the second part is that the definition of what a women is has changed and developed and changed with time and culture...
@@Asoraso4ever
Gender does not change.
Just like there are different types of apples. But it's still an apple 🍏.
And those that believe in two genders don't believe in a spectrum. Non-binary people do that. Then use that to say there are more than two genders.
Which there isn't. You can have differences and nuances in any one gender but ultimately the chromosomes tell you exactly what gender that person is. And that specific identity in the real natural world is non-negotiable.
And that was the point of my original comment. John Stewart features on the chat show host spectrum that starts with really good ones and ends with really bad ones. I don't know where John Stewart features on that spectrum but regardless he doesn't suddenly become an electrician or a plumber. He remains a chat show host albeit a bad or good one. Same way a man can feature on the masculinity spectrum but wherever he places on that spectrum he's STILL A MAN
And by the way I say this without any bigotry or malice. Frankly speaking if you want to call yourself non-binary I really don't give a flying monkey. Just don't try and change science
John you're a great man. It pains me, as someone who is stranded between the binary of Democrat and Republican, to say your argument feels weak. You're just splicing together segments of extreme Fox news "opinion segments". Splicing shallow comments, which were only meant meant to divide, means nothing. I know the joke was meant to play into the hypocrisy of republicans. Using their poor quality content for your poor quality comparison gets us no where.
The pushback on this issue really shouldn’t be boiled down to these people shouldn’t be allowed to be who they want to be. It is, as Dave Chappell said, to what extent is everyone obligated to participate in everyone else’s self image? How reasonable is the actual request being made? How respectful is the request. To what level is legislation appropriate to force compliance? I know for me and a lot of fairly leftist people from conservative backgrounds this is the bigger problem. I believe in freedom, if you can’t get your way without force then you don’t get your way in a free society. I believe in respect for one another, but if you want to introduce a big shift into another culture, you should probably not do so by insult and coercion. I fucking hate the religious right who try to do the same thing from their side, so if anyone bothers to read this don’t bother with that criticism. The presence of one crazy doesn’t legitimize an opposing crazy. We need to be reasonable and respectful to one another all as Americans and take back control of our government from the oligarchy, but no one is going to be able to force their way and retain this nation as one people and that will make us all losers, guaranteed.
Nah, Dave isn't right. What Dave, and clearly you, are ignorant of, is current legislation around much of the current, as well as proposed legislation is places that are particularly anti trans, threaten the lives and existence of trans people. The correct answer to this issue is trans people deserve the same rights as everyone else, and not to be marginalized by our society or government.
Also, come on, dude, how hard is it really to use someone's preferred pronouns when they say that's what they prefer? It takes nothing from you and yet you're waxing on like that is some kind of herculean task.
The request being made is extremely reasonable. It's a tiny, low-to-no effort thing. It neither picks your pocket nor breaks your leg. It's fine, it's easy, it makes the people around you happy, and causes them see you as a friend and a safe person. There are no downsides at all unless you actively and unnecessarily choose to bring them with you. And that is not the kind of choice I have the inclination to respect or accommodate.
@@marcussherlock6318 Exactly, I don't know why this is so hard for these people or why they act like is such a big deal.
As a mother of a daughter who identifies on the non binary spectrum, I get that this all boiled up in what seemed a very quick moment with a lot of anger. It was fermenting in discussions on the internet for much longer, though. I liken it to the women's movement. When women had enough of being treated like house slaves, they were pissed, and did not ask politely to have the right to equal work and pay. I have heard some stories of abuse toward trans people so horrific I don't want to share them. Suffice to say, the anger is justified. It's spilling over currently but try not to take it personally. It's fueling a movement that needs to happen.
I believe gender ideology has hints of conservatism in it.
The interesting part to me is that the less traditionally masculine the Republican, the more loudly and angrily they seem to wanna talk about masculinity.
Kinda like their big trucks and big guns and itty bitty teency weency peckers.
Lindsey Graham comes to mind. Lindsey is probably one of the Republicans Madison Cawthorn was referring to when he talked about DC sex parties being held by people he used to admire. It's mostly his accent but also the inflection he uses, but there's stuff about the fella that always comes across as oddly awkward, forced, even a bit - well, I don't know if it's okay to use the "Q" word so I'll not but it's a shame because the word works so well for him.
Short man syndrome is a thing, not every man, but a preponderance. The shorter (5’7” and less) the guy, the louder the mouth in attempting to pull others down a notch so he can stand in their back. I have only befriended one man of short stature (5’5” ish) that I perceived as having self confidence.
@@sandrahildebrand4283 I know a few self confident short men. And agree - the syndrome exists for many.
When your twisted view of reality tells you you'll never meet the ridiculous standards of what a "true man" (or whatever definition you're using) is, you can either give up on your misguided beliefs or double down by raging about how every one of your opponents isn't man enough to match you.
People are asking the wrong question. We shouldnt be asking what is a man/woman. We should be asking how can we improve the world so everyone feels safe and accepted. Its not an easy question to answer but it is a positive step towards a better future. And it comes from a place not of fear and control but of empathy and openness.
Is it the "wrong question" just because you can't answer it?.
@@meab12 How bout you answer it, and before you say "human female who can give birth", remember that some cis women are infertile.
@@korganrocks3995 adult human female.
@@meab12 Great, so someone born male who has had surgery and is now indistinguishable from a cis woman counts?
Seems being open minded now is to the point of your brains falling out
A loaf of bread?
Wake up babe, new gender just dropped!
It's still fractal. There are yeasty breads, dry breads, stiff breads, doughy breads. Some are the baguette, others are the loaf, some are the sourdough starter...
I really don’t think what is a woman is a gotcha question
It is though. Allow me to explain:
If you answer with something to the tune of "a feminine identifying human individual", which denotes gender, rather than sex (and is accurate), the person posing the question will immediately refuse the answer, because they didn't get what they wanted.
Woman does not refer to sex, but to gender, but the person posing the question is seeking to conflate the two. As such, the only answer they will accept is "A female" which is not *technically* correct, given the fact that it leaves out trans people.
It's an intellectually dishonest question, because they're fishing for only one answer, even though there's other acceptable answers available to the question if it's asked by someone who isn't a transphobe.
@@seanrobinson7464 that’s the thing though there is not more than one answer a woman has a uterus and a man has a penis
That’s my opinion and we can agree to disagree
@@seanrobinson7464 also do you see how short and to the point my answer is while your answer is about three paragraphs long
@@Anastasiabeaverhausen275 How about someone with persistent mullerian duct syndrome? They have both a penis and a uterus/fallopian tubes.
@@halwakka504 Come on now you’re grasping at straws
Even an extremely masculine woman is still a woman and a very feminine man is still a man.
Liberals 2012: It's okay to like pink if you're a boy.
Liberals 2022: If you like pink, you're a girl.
"Gender" is a vague term. If it is not culturally defined male and female stereotypes, what is it? Is it a belief or feeling? If so, what it is based on?
It's based on a statistical curve of behavior between two sexes, interpreted in the moment, and changing wildly between time and culture.
Matt Walsh vs Jon Stewart. Let's see it.
if the question is "what is a woman" we already know Matt will win... Stewart seems to be confused.
You are much too generous. Confused induces the impression that the person in front of you is genuine and it was lost the logical argumentation for a second but we all see that it is not the case in this video.
Matt has facts and Jon has feelings. Facts would win.
Stewart would get annihilated cause all he can say is "uhh well the experts making billions off of butchering kids say it's a good thing."
Debate Matt Walsh.
th-cam.com/video/RoDAhIl89iU/w-d-xo.html
Do it, Jon. We dare you.
He should debate Dr. Debra Soh instead.
LOL, debating someone as dumb as Matt is a waste of time. It's like talking to a trash.
A pair of shoelaces could debate Matt Walsh...a door labeled "pull" could debate Matt Walsh
I'm so glad your here John Stewart, I want to see you debate Tucker.
He did. It was Epic. The video is up on TH-cam somewhere.
Remember that there's no real problem here. People are making it a problem because it's another useful distraction from the fact that we have a kleptocracy.
Have an interview with Matt Walsh on this subject. Have some guts and really discuss this with him. But you won't.
@@coolchannelforpostingcoolv8331 Progressives have a very funny habit of calling anyone they disagree with but cannot easily refute a simple 'troll'. It helps to dismiss their enemies, which is all they're really interested in doing in the first place.
I love how he don't even have the balls to answer the question
... how he doesn't*
This still doesn't prove that gender isn't binary... they just described different types of men and types of women like describing different types of dogs or different types of cars. That doesn't mean dogs and cars are on a spectrum.
If you want the actual chapter and verse, you're gonna want to look up "sex dimorphism in neuroanatomy." And then study some developmental endocrinology.
Sex is differentiated not only in external genitalia, but also in chromosomes, hormones, numerous anatomical features of the brain, internal sex organs, and various other internal and external anatomical features. And this is just the strictly biological aspects.
Medical science has known for hundreds of years that there is not always agreement in every area of possible differentiation. So for example, a person can have male external genitals, and female internal organs. Or male external genitals and female brain anatomy. Or female genitals and male chromosomes.
There are in fact quite a few combinations and permutations that are common enough to be widely known in traditional cultures and in medicine. In other words, more than two sexes.
But it's quite understandable if you've never heard any of this. It's not taught in our schools, unless you go to medical school and study endocrinology or get an advanced degree in animal biology.
You're right. And him making fun of the question "what is a woman", saying it was never a problem before, is false. Simone de Beauvoir asks this question in the Second Sex, which she wrote in 1949. And honestly, with a way better answer than the lack of answer jon is willing to give
@@tamiapeereboom7831 Jon aptly makes the point that definitions of what is a woman have changed many times in different social contexts.
The fact is that there is no way to define "man" and "woman" that is both accurate and precise without leaving out a significant number of people. This tells us what we need to know.
@@davidmenasco5743 The notion that we ought to be considerate of a "female" or "male" brain would only make sense if female consciousness and male consciousness were different phenomenological experiences; as far as I know, I don't think there is evidence of this being true. As a result, it's more apt to consider it as different types of men and women with different physical traits in the likeness of height.
Furthermore, Klinefelter's, Turner's, or all the various deviations and syndromes that exist still doesn't indicate there are more than 2 genders. These are mere deviations of the sexes: just as someone born with extra fingers or limbs or chromosomes wouldn't be considered different beings altogether...
@@proxyl9375 Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems to me that a great many trans people have provided what they would consider to be direct evidence of a male, or female, consciousness.
If that's not enough for you, you can find, at Wikipedia, a lengthy article on "Sex Differences in Psychology." Note that like neuroanatomy, these differences are seen as statistically different mean values with overlapping distributions. These aspects of sexual expression exist on a continuum. (Hence the gender "spectrum".) They do not necessarily represent a totally different "consciousness." But there is no reason why they would need to.
My point is not to insist that we call every "deviation" in sexual anatomy a new sex (although I do believe that a proper study might well establish one or more deserving of that distinction). My point is that people who differ from the norm in these various ways are real people deserving of respect. They do not deserve to be told that their feelings are merely a flight of fancy or that they are "just a man who decided to wear a dress" when all you have to do is get to know them to see that they are not "just a man" or "just a woman."
Even if we decide to forgo all the biology and throw it all on culture (and yes, variations of what we now call "trans women" are seen and acknowledged in many cultures and have been for centuries) it still doesn't follow that the feelings should be discounted and the people who have them should be persecuted.
This guy is spineless.
No one on the right is actually saying that “alpha male” is a different gender
I think the whole alpha male, betta male is garbage spewed by influencers who are peddling some nonsense, but I don't think they're saying there's different genders at all.
And no one on the left is actually saying that "all underage kids should immediately receive gender affirming surgery" either.
Lol, the point is that there is a spectrum, as defined by the right, who are the same morons claiming there are only two options 🤣
He misunderstood the proverbs verse. He's pretty bad at this
Request for Jon Stewart... please address the conflation of biological (physical) sex and the mental concept of gender. We need an in-depth understanding of the difference that only Jon seems to be able to discuss!
whole lotta MAPS in these comments section
What’s that?
I mean, I don't think the alpha/beta male stuff makes much sense either, at least after understanding how it's a misconception with wolves, you see with wolves when they come of age they leave their pack in search of a mate to start their own pack, so really the alpha thing is a total misunderstanding of the simple concept of starting a family. Like of course one male wolf is going to be the father of all the offspring, and one female wolf will be on top and have all the babies, it's a matriarchal and patriarchal structure, and we convergently evolved something similar.
"In 1970, the book The Wolf: Ecology and Behavior of an Endangered Species was published, written by David Mech. It was a success. The book helped to popularize the alpha concept, because many people referred to Mech’s work.
Mech has written on his website that he repeatedly asked the publisher to stop printing the book because much of the information is outdated - including the concept behind the alpha wolf. Nevertheless, the book is still being sold.
“David Mech, the world's most profiled wolf researcher, used the terminology alpha animals in his early research. But by the time he realized that this was a mistake, the term had already taken root in the literature. He is now struggling to get this changed,” Zimmermann said."
Well to a point…I look at this way, if the world ended tomorrow, there are certain males you would want to be around versus the kind of guys who have to do things like Google how to change a tire.
@@acbower4468 what if you have to choose between someone that can change a tire yet doesn't know how to wipe his own ass and someone else that doesn't know how to change a tire yet he's an ER doctor? See? Everything becomes retarded as fuck when you start behaving as if life is black and white... So don't...
@@anthosm Just because he wants his previous works changed, doesn't mean that the change is correct.
Fun fact: there are gay wolves. Like everything in nature, it isn't exact. Bi wolves exist too. They will be under the alpha and take care of the family's kids.
Have to kneel before "current thing." Absolutely embarrassing for someone who was branded as someone who spoke truth to power.
Conservatism has never worked or made a society better. all you're trying to do is take away people's freedom and bodily autonomy, you unamerican waste of space.
There are many different types of pizza, but we know a pizza when we see one. Saying that there are different types of men and that there are different types of women doesn't mean that there are more than two genders.
It’s not that hard…sperm, egg…the end
There are a few whole families of species of animals that would like a word with you.
Those determine sex. But there are also only two genders.
@@nickwallette6201 ya-and I’m referring to humans dum dum
@@judeesee894 The problem with that is, we're actually not that special. Humans, I mean.
This all seems to coalesce to some kind of shared idea that "Woman" = "Human Female", and "Female" = "One whut has the ovaries."
That doesn't actually fully encapsulate even humans, much less the entire animal kingdom.
Just as a really simple example, if you're castrated, do you cease to be male? If there are only two sexes, does that mean you're now female? What if you don't have ovaries?
And yeah, that's kind of an edge case, but the fact is, _every single definition_ we choose falls down at some point, just like that one. None of them are perfect.
That's the point. In total the edge cases don't make up a majority, but there are a striking number of them, and they vary considerably. That's a large number of people that just don't get to have a term that describes them, with another large group of people who are bizarrely fixated on trying to shut down their quest to figure out a solution for that -- as if it has any actual impact on their lives.
No, we have to ask why they want to define anything. (And it's always the woman, never the man!) Because they want to take rights away, insisting the one who needs defining is "the other" who needs our benevolent protection...🙄
What is a woman? An adult human female. We are getting close to the Armageddon, and we truly deserve it. It's sad this is "entertainment"
Is it reasonable that I feel like greater regulation of predatory hoa policies is a more pressing need in the political arena than what sport or bathroom certain people's can or can't play/ use?
It is if you’re not a female athlete trying to get a scholarship?
LMAO when they're saying alpha,beta,whatever-male, it's describing the male, not saying it's a seperate gender wtf. Like calling an angry male a whole other gender
Exactly what I'm saying
"Alpha" male is more fictional than the genders they try denying.
It's almost like the don't know what an adjective is all of a sudden
What a surprise the point went right over your head. It's amazing you people can even tie your own shoes. It's pathetic we have a school system that's so bad that it lets people like you pass.
😂😂 it’s a dishonest framing. But he knows his audience, logical coherence is not their strong point clearly.
Jon just became so much better, admitting your mistake and moving past them is the most mature and intelligent thing a person can do
A 15-year-old castrating himself is "informed consent", but an 18-year-old taking out a college loan is "predatory lending"
Bill Maher truly seems like a bitter old man in comparison now
@@nelsonth because that’s literally what he is, unfortunately
@@nelsonth Maher was a bitter young man, too.
You're right, but you skipped a step: 1) Admitting your mistake. 2) Making amends and/or offering reparations and/or making material changes in the way you do things so those mistakes don't happen again. 3) Moving past the mistake.💯 (Stewart discussed step 2 on the show about racial and class diversity on his show--both on-air and in the writer's room--and how paying interns broadened and diversified the pool of talent that they hired from.)
Here is a simple one that most humans will not understand. Let each individual be what they want to be.
I want to be black and tall and good at basket ball.
AND there are individuals wo have different beliefs than "you" do, that is also reality
Trans people want society to agree with them. They sue groups that want to divide people by sex rather than self-id. They force rapists who identify as trans into women’s prisons. 10 years ago, I had no issues with trans people, but far too many of them say that women cannot have groups that exclude people with penises and even threaten to kill women who want spaces without penis owners
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Cute, so when a 6-feet-tall man decides he wants to be a woman, puts on a dress, and walks into the women's bathroom while other women are there, I suppose we should all just let him be what he wants to be, right? It's funny how people seem to live under a rock and not realize that this insanity has serious implications in real life, especially for us women.
Your perception of reality is your own
Actual reality is objective
Gender is binary
This feels like the old Daily Show again.
Which one? The one before Jon?
Personality traits are now abborations in gender?
Haven't you noticed this entire conversation is based around the misconception of the meaning of the words personality and gender. Change "gender" to "personality' and all of a sudden everything makes sense. The reason they are trying to invent their personality into a gender is you cant get victim status from your personality, but gender........
Don't try to make sense of it. Just stick to science and ignore these people. Vote red for the next 6 years and this crap will go away. It's just Pharma controlling the left and trying to make more money for themselves. It's truly that simple. Healthcare/pharma controls the Democrats and liberal media, and trans care and surgeries make incredible amounts of money.
The left changes language to suit their needs
The "I like watching the stars at night, I'm stargendered" joke from 2005 is taken as something real now. Fascinating really.
These new genders are socially constructed personality trait categories. They literally state that gender is a social construct. Which is why it should be treated with the same levity as declaring yourself a Capricorn or a Virgo.
Nawt "Girly Man"!! I forgot about that one! 🤣🤣
this is when I had very little respect for Arnold
Arnold based 😂
Brilliant
anyone else notice how people end up talking about two different things?
Binary just means you can only be one or the other. It doesn't mean there exists no variation within the binary. It's like saying numbers being odd/even isn't binary, because the number 1 is different than the number 3. or that some odd numbers have 1 digit, 2 digits, an even number of digits, etc.
It's kinda funny seeing the entire country get confused on shallow properties of language, and they find themselves completely missing the point of what is going on.
Yes we notice. Both sides refuse to see the same word is used with different meaning. But we have two rooms and one excludes that which the other permits. So unless we make 4 room accomodations someone needs to hold it.
When people say they are "non-binary" they are specifically referring to the point that they don't feel like the one, or the other. Perhaps we can address their concerns using semantics and say that no they can't cross the gender line but yes we'll expand the scope of their gender so it includes them. Would this stop the fascists from harassing them? Or would it just give us new definitions so broad as to be meaningless, without solving the problem?
A little background in biology might help sort out this question of binaries:
Sex (male, female) is differentiated not only in chromosomes and external genitalia, but also in several distinct areas of brain anatomy, the organs and functioning of the endocrine system, the internal sex organs, and various other internal and external anatomical features. These are not always in complete agreement. So for example, a person can have male external genitals and female internal organs. Or male external genitals and female brain anatomy. Or female genitals and male chromosomes.
There are in fact many different combinations and permutations. And in some of these areas, including chromosomes and brain anatomy, there are not only two possibilities but several in the case of chromosomes and in the case of brain anatomy there is a wide range of variation both between and within groups, occurring in EACH of a half dozen different anatomical structures linked with masculine and feminine behavioral traits and the functioning of the sex organs.
So really, biology does not say that there are only two sexes. Biology says that in humans (and many other creatures) sex is a very complex subject.
What we learn about sex and gender in school is like that old model of the atom showing only electrons circling a simple nucleus of protons and neutrons. Reality is more like the newer models with quarks and bosons and spin, and indeed, the uncertainty principle.
To learn more, you can look up "sex differences in neuroanatomy" and study some developmental endocrinology.
I think it can be helpful to be aware of these many variations in human biology and the likelihood that this could produce many biologically based variations in gender expression. Of course this may not explain all of the manifestations of sex and gender or even most of them. But it tells us that in no way should we expect sex and gender to be simple or clear cut, as we have been told to do by certain politicians and political pundits.
@@davidmenasco5743 Men and women have evolved, brains included. The physical and behavioral differences between genders vary wildly across species.
The intrinsic distinction, linguistically, is the separation of those configurations needed in sexual reproduction. You either use language to indicate this, or you don't.
The understandings of gender science hasn't changed, semantics has. All language is metaphor. The rest is philosophy and politics.
@@stevena.7022 The understandings of gender science are constantly evolving, as are political word play and philosophy. But medical science has known for hundreds of years that there are more than two sexes.
The fact that there is no definition of "man" and "woman" that, taken together, doesn't leave out a significant number of people (adults even), is evidence on its face that the bathroom laws and other restrictive policies pushed by Republicans are wrongheaded, unfair, socially destructive and literally unworkable.
@@davidmenasco5743 All nouns leave out significant number of other things. Thats how definitions work.
That there are methods of reproduction not bimodal, is not at all the same as saying humans aren't reproduced through bimodal reproduction. This was the case long before we put signs on outhouses.
The quotes he uses to dismiss the definition of woman only address the value of women from those philosophies. They all are still talking about females. That was gaslighting.
Then he only interviews people who already agree with him or a clueless politician incapable of defending her position.
OMG TOTALLY. He's relying on how stupid and malleable people are....
@@bethmcmahon7364 well bigots who can’t accept people for who they are Trump found very gullible and malleable. He got them to attack the Capitol
@@bethmcmahon7364 and sadly, it works like a charm.
But I think it's starting to slip.
I mean, the majority of comments are people trying to agree with him, and realizing how stupid his argument is.
@@bryanwilson8388 Yup... and he acts in a condescending misogynistic way to this woman when it works for him... and then returns to more wage gap feminism the next day....
I’ll never understand why some waste energy on persecuting people who are just different. I know it goes deep into tribalisms and fear. Just live and let live that frees us all
To them, they find the idea of calling people they don't recognize as women as absurd as calling someone they don't recognize as a cat a cat.
Or something like that
"the world's not a stage, it's a primary school playground." - tism
@@peterbullen4956 True, a popularity contest mostly, however some are more civilized than others, or brought up to be mindful, decent and caring adults.
It's instinct really, the driving force of evolution to improve the species. Ignoring instincts is really hard. You want to get ahead, so you can do two things: Go forward or push everyone else backward.
@@freddiesimmons1394 well you want us to call people something they arent... a woman is an adult female human... woman is not "feminine person".
Freedom is merely privilege extended unless enjoyed by one and all!
Oh that awful version of the Internationale by Billy Bragg 😊
You have not provided an argument. You have merely caricatured your opponent.
You mean like a republican debate?
@@Asoraso4ever Intellectually dishonesty from one side does not justify intellectual dishonesty from the other. At a certain point, you have to step outside of this partisan worldview and try to understand an argument in and of itself.