I don't think most people realise how closely related these four Elves are. Though Celembrimbor is portrayed to look much older, he is the grandson of Feanor, (half) brother of Galadriel's father Finarfin, which makes him younger by a generation. Same goes for Gil-Galad, he is the grandson of Fingolfin, who was Feanor's and Finarfin's brother. To contextualise: All three of them were born before the Sun and Moon even existed, in the years of the Trees, making them anywhere between 3500 and 5000 (mortal) years old at this time. Elrond's lineage is quite interesting. He is the son of the blessed Earendil, who was the son of Idril (who is Gil-Galad's granddaughter) and a mortal man named Tuor. On his mother's side, his mother Elwing is the daughter of Dior, whose parents are the famous Beren (a mortal with exceptions) and Lúthien. Lúthien's mother was a maia (lower level angel) called Melian, and his father was Elwe (Elu) Thingol, who was the brother of Galadriel's grandfather, Olwe. Oh, and he later becomes the son-in-law of Galadriel, marrying her daughter Celebrian.
I gotta say, I like the idea of the elven rings being powered by what is essentially an echo of the light of the two trees. It ties in nicely with their focus on that light source (as oppose to another set of echos, the sun and the moon). It also gives more reason for there to be things from Valinor in Elven lands (mallorn tree). Finally, it shows the paradoxial nature of what the elves were trying to do on Middle-Earth. The reason why the plan failed was it was a contradiction of the music, undone in the destruction of the person who set up the plan.
I will say it will simple words : Elves have epic wits and knowledge and have seen pretty much everything . So talking like that to each other is no more than a mortal man arguing.
Elves have not seen everything, they are wise but they're still personable creatures and can deliberate over certain matters. Even the Valar themselves argued with each other and were often uncertain about what course of action was best.
Elrond tempted the High King to allow the Ring of Power to be forged which he understood what he said. Elrond was appealing to his Vanity of being the one being.
Its interesting that RoP tries to explain why the elves wanted to make the rings by using the mithrils magical powers and thereby explaining why the elves tried to make the rings. I don't think Tolkien mentioned why they would be motivated to make the rings in Tolkien's works, however I am not Tolkien scholar.
No you’re definitely not a Tolkien scholar. It was actually mentioned that the three Elven rings were created to prevent their realms decay. In the books they are created after Annatar taught ring making.
The hesitation to mine right now is seemingly the way the dwarves are more "naturally" meant to be, perhaps act as designed. The greed that the dwarven rings had on their attitude would definitely be like, "ok boys, time to dig!" So tldr, probably sometime after the dwarves get their rings and up to the moment of the Balrog started Balrogging Khazad Dum into Moria. If you think about all the gold and valuables they got with the ring, it wouldn't be too hard to think that is the cause of the some of the jealously we see in the Hobbit. Literally most of that treasure would not exist without Sauron so it wouldn't be hard to think of it as cursed blood-money.
@@albdamned577 good point none of the dwarven treasure hoards were made until the 7 dwarf rings. Not sure if they stockpiled mithril only remember Sauron doing that much later.
@@johno1544 Mithril was well known about before it was started to be mined in Khazad Dum. the show kind of fucks it up, because part of the Reason numenor is so rich is because they have several mines of Mithril, they use it as a symbol of power and trade it to enrich themselves further, they also had mails and armor. When a mine in khazad Dum is revealed by the Dwarves, Elves build ost in Edhil just to be closer to it, and start building forges and bring their best smiths to work on the mithril traded with the dwarves. Show just kind of fucked everything up.
@@johno1544they aren't trying to improve it, they're trying to turn it into something they can stretch for multiple seasons and give it what they think it needs to keep moving along the story in a compelling way. Not everyone is a lore-nerd who reads the Silmarillion. Most people (casual viewers) would not make it 5 pages through that book without falling asleep. None of this stuff was well set to a full narrative. The legendarium was unedited, full of gaps and inconsistencies, and even Tolkeins son is guilty of screwing some of that up (lineages of elves and such)
I hate king gilgalad coulndt have more importance in the serie. A very intresting character and the actor did a very good job to portrate him and the most handsome elf iv ever seen for sure. It was just something very intresting with him. He brought some mystery to me and he was very cryptic. Didnt say much but i just wanted to know more about him.
I’m sorry but I can’t say I like much about this series. Take this small part in particular, I have multiple issues. These four are related and I feel I an informal meeting like this, they would be less, what’s the word standoff ish? More friendly perhaps? I feel Gil-galad would be less ‘I am the king’ and wtf he wouldn’t talk to Galadriel like that when she is older, wiser and more powerful and despite being high king it doesn’t give him that much authority. The whole thing felt like a bunch of humans squabbling about and not ancient beings. I think the only good things I can point too would be Gil-galad pointing out the whole pursuing power is bad (but doesn’t actually explain why).
Celebrimbor: "..something that could be carried.." Elrond: "a sceptre perhaps"? [Hahaha elrond is such a fairy] Galadriel aka Major Penis envy, interrupts suggesting "a sword".. (Dr. Sigmund Freud would have laughed.. How come ANYONE associates swords with galadriel is beyond me..)... Celebrimbor: "A circular form.. allowing the light to arc back upon itself... Its like 69 but you do it to yourself.. Its like bending over backwards until your forward again xD The scene is wellmade, but the undertones seem a bit weird to me; sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, but at the n-th time of the same antics, its a dick..
I always thought it was, but I recently (and thankfully) learned it’s actually its own separate thing. Think of it more like Keaton Batman vs Affleck Batman. Same characters, different universes.
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I don't think most people realise how closely related these four Elves are. Though Celembrimbor is portrayed to look much older, he is the grandson of Feanor, (half) brother of Galadriel's father Finarfin, which makes him younger by a generation. Same goes for Gil-Galad, he is the grandson of Fingolfin, who was Feanor's and Finarfin's brother. To contextualise: All three of them were born before the Sun and Moon even existed, in the years of the Trees, making them anywhere between 3500 and 5000 (mortal) years old at this time. Elrond's lineage is quite interesting. He is the son of the blessed Earendil, who was the son of Idril (who is Gil-Galad's granddaughter) and a mortal man named Tuor. On his mother's side, his mother Elwing is the daughter of Dior, whose parents are the famous Beren (a mortal with exceptions) and Lúthien. Lúthien's mother was a maia (lower level angel) called Melian, and his father was Elwe (Elu) Thingol, who was the brother of Galadriel's grandfather, Olwe. Oh, and he later becomes the son-in-law of Galadriel, marrying her daughter Celebrian.
Idril is Turgons daughter, not Gil-Galads granddaughter.
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And that is why, I fail my history lessons.
Gil galad had no sons, daughters or granddaughters, never married either.
I gotta say, I like the idea of the elven rings being powered by what is essentially an echo of the light of the two trees. It ties in nicely with their focus on that light source (as oppose to another set of echos, the sun and the moon). It also gives more reason for there to be things from Valinor in Elven lands (mallorn tree). Finally, it shows the paradoxial nature of what the elves were trying to do on Middle-Earth. The reason why the plan failed was it was a contradiction of the music, undone in the destruction of the person who set up the plan.
I will say it will simple words : Elves have epic wits and knowledge and have seen pretty much everything . So talking like that to each other is no more than a mortal man arguing.
Elves have not seen everything, they are wise but they're still personable creatures and can deliberate over certain matters. Even the Valar themselves argued with each other and were often uncertain about what course of action was best.
The more time passes, the better the show looks.
ARE YOU BLIND MY MAN?
I respectfully disagree
Bro I want poppy proudfellow to be sauron, that harfoot got the build pulling that cart solo 😤
Nah if it was a surprise twist of sauron being Adar that would of been a nice twist.
Dude I want Poppy Proudfellow on my high school football team.. Go Falcons
That's why they ended up with the rings, in order save on both material and time.
Elrond tempted the High King to allow the Ring of Power to be forged which he understood what he said.
Elrond was appealing to his Vanity of being the one being.
Its interesting that RoP tries to explain why the elves wanted to make the rings by using the mithrils magical powers and thereby explaining why the elves tried to make the rings. I don't think Tolkien mentioned why they would be motivated to make the rings in Tolkien's works, however I am not Tolkien scholar.
No you’re definitely not a Tolkien scholar. It was actually mentioned that the three Elven rings were created to prevent their realms decay. In the books they are created after Annatar taught ring making.
@@thomasalvarez6456to prevent their realms decay…
Mithril's had a value of 10x that of gold in the lore. When do we get to the point where they are making helmets and mail out of it?
The hesitation to mine right now is seemingly the way the dwarves are more "naturally" meant to be, perhaps act as designed. The greed that the dwarven rings had on their attitude would definitely be like, "ok boys, time to dig!" So tldr, probably sometime after the dwarves get their rings and up to the moment of the Balrog started Balrogging Khazad Dum into Moria. If you think about all the gold and valuables they got with the ring, it wouldn't be too hard to think that is the cause of the some of the jealously we see in the Hobbit. Literally most of that treasure would not exist without Sauron so it wouldn't be hard to think of it as cursed blood-money.
@@albdamned577 good point none of the dwarven treasure hoards were made until the 7 dwarf rings. Not sure if they stockpiled mithril only remember Sauron doing that much later.
@@johno1544 Mithril was well known about before it was started to be mined in Khazad Dum. the show kind of fucks it up, because part of the Reason numenor is so rich is because they have several mines of Mithril, they use it as a symbol of power and trade it to enrich themselves further, they also had mails and armor. When a mine in khazad Dum is revealed by the Dwarves, Elves build ost in Edhil just to be closer to it, and start building forges and bring their best smiths to work on the mithril traded with the dwarves.
Show just kind of fucked everything up.
@@blackknight4152 I dont understand how these amazon writers can look at Tolkiens lore and think they can improve it somehow.
@@johno1544they aren't trying to improve it, they're trying to turn it into something they can stretch for multiple seasons and give it what they think it needs to keep moving along the story in a compelling way. Not everyone is a lore-nerd who reads the Silmarillion. Most people (casual viewers) would not make it 5 pages through that book without falling asleep. None of this stuff was well set to a full narrative. The legendarium was unedited, full of gaps and inconsistencies, and even Tolkeins son is guilty of screwing some of that up (lineages of elves and such)
Why would celembrior still forge the other rings? Now that we know who sauron is
I hate king gilgalad coulndt have more importance in the serie. A very intresting character and the actor did a very good job to portrate him and the most handsome elf iv ever seen for sure. It was just something very intresting with him. He brought some mystery to me and he was very cryptic. Didnt say much but i just wanted to know more about him.
Why are three elves kingdoms in Hobbit and Lord of the Ring
this show is better then I have expected.I dont care about critics
ahhahahah okay maybe you should viist a doctor or read the books Tolkien wrote
@@lulululu8045 the best part was when Elrond wanted a "sceptre" (thihihihi), galadriel a sword, and celebrimbor wants it to bend over backwards xD
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How much is Amazon paying you?
Agreed.
I’m sorry but I can’t say I like much about this series. Take this small part in particular, I have multiple issues.
These four are related and I feel I an informal meeting like this, they would be less, what’s the word standoff ish? More friendly perhaps? I feel Gil-galad would be less ‘I am the king’ and wtf he wouldn’t talk to Galadriel like that when she is older, wiser and more powerful and despite being high king it doesn’t give him that much authority.
The whole thing felt like a bunch of humans squabbling about and not ancient beings. I think the only good things I can point too would be Gil-galad pointing out the whole pursuing power is bad (but doesn’t actually explain why).
Galadriel not wiser nor more powerful at all, and being a high king does give him a lot of authority.
@@V1ert she is, and elven society isn’t the same as human society.
01:32 Hitler could have told the same.
Celebrimbor: "..something that could be carried.." Elrond: "a sceptre perhaps"? [Hahaha elrond is such a fairy] Galadriel aka Major Penis envy, interrupts suggesting "a sword".. (Dr. Sigmund Freud would have laughed.. How come ANYONE associates swords with galadriel is beyond me..)... Celebrimbor: "A circular form.. allowing the light to arc back upon itself... Its like 69 but you do it to yourself.. Its like bending over backwards until your forward again xD The scene is wellmade, but the undertones seem a bit weird to me; sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, but at the n-th time of the same antics, its a dick..
You're neither funny nor witty; you're just childish. I pity you.
I hate what Amazon did to Gil Galad. Theres so much injustice to his Character.
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Why are these elves arguing like men? Just stupid 🙄
Feanor did much worse.
who knew that the high king of all elves would be so....chubby
Is this garbage supposed to be linked to the movies as a prequel?
I always thought it was, but I recently (and thankfully) learned it’s actually its own separate thing. Think of it more like Keaton Batman vs Affleck Batman. Same characters, different universes.
@@ElizabethSchwartzz Thank God. I asked cuz the actor who play Gil-Galad i'ts very similar to the one of the Fellowship.