Victrix has the best Vikings, too. Very historically accurate. They have very talented and skilled sculptors, great company. If you are interested in extremely accurate later knights, you might like to check out Steelfist Miniatures, they are simply fantastic. I have ordered tons from them, very much to my financial detriment due to Brexit.🙄But since you are from that island yourself, that wouldn't cause any hassle for you.
I've already subscribed to a number mini painting channels already, so a little more certainly won't hurt. Your historical approach covers an interesting niche I haven't come across yet.
Really enjoyed this - well presented with some very interesting observations…and yes they look great, Victrix supply enough alternate weapons and helms that there is an incredible amount of variety that you can build into the figures
Would love to follow the progress on those minis! Always proposing very interesting and unique content with a personal, spontaneous, and experience-based twist, which I really enjoy.
From what I understand, I think the phrygian helm gets its name from a hat that also has a swept front… though whenever you google “Phrygian helm” the first thing that comes up is the ancient Greek Phrygian helm. Interesting how there are medieval and ancient helms with this style
You are correct. The Macedonians wore a Phrygian style helmet (sometimes referred to as the Thracian??). The hat that is seen worn later on and the type of helmet here in the video I believe is probably named after that classical Phrygian style. The later "Frisian" title I think might be a bit of confusion as it sounds like "Phrygian". Well, that's my guess.
From all the literature and research ive been able to gather, you're only partially correct, in that William of Normandy used two distinct types of cavalry at Hastings, hired Breton mercenaries of the light cavalry, skirmishing type AND the heavier type we would normally associate with Normans
Hi Zac. 19:18 I think that those are supposed to be Adargas, a type of leather shield that was used in Iberia and North Africa by both Christians and Muslims. And slightly related, I think that the swords bellow your fingers at 20:00 are supposed to be Espada Jineta which were a type of sword also from the same region and used by Muslims.
Could you please give some information about the dyes used for clothing in this time? I would love to paint historically correct norman miniatures, but this information would also be useful for re-enacting.
Great video. I’ve got a couple of packs of these and I noticed how the horses looked quite chunky and looking through horse breeds they look like Norman cobs to me. Would that not have been the breed the Normans used? I’ve got several dark age collections many of them on ponies. Does look a bit comical but that’s certainly what Scots, Picts and Welsh seemed to use
@@ZacharyEvans Would love to see it. I just started 40K (like a few weeks ago), and it's a very cool. Just sooo expensive. But I wouldn't mind a painting tutorial of some kind ;-)
I belive the shell/heart shaped shields is what in spanish we call adarga. It is an arabic or maybe berber shield made of leather that entered europe trough the muslim invasion of Spain. It is possible that its influence reached southern France due to the atempt to conquer France frustrated in the battle of poitiers of 732. Cant tell that for shure of course, but I think it is a plausible theory.
Lookin' great. I'd love to get some and hit em with that slap chop razzle dazzle. I've been building a a serious collection of minis for our D&D campaign. These Victrix models look clean. I think I may buy a box or two. Nice detail and a good price point. What other mini companies do you like? I've been eyeballing some stuff from Wargames Atlantic.
What I'd like to know is what the horses with the fur saddle cloths are useful for? Is it for the Islamic cavalry option in the pack? I've never seen Normans with that style. At least for 1066.
Ignore this if it's a pointless distraction. But I think the term "Dark Ages" is perfectly fine, it reflects a real drop in population, economic output, written records, complexity of social organisation etc. in Europe at the time. Can't help feeling people only object to it as an attempt to appear more enlightened/sophisticated than the old fashioned historians/general public. Is that completely unfair?
I think the name has been thrown out because of the popular conception of the dark ages. However, now we're experiencing a growth of it where any medieval period is dark, brooding, ill-educated and colourless.
Victrix has the best Vikings, too. Very historically accurate. They have very talented and skilled sculptors, great company. If you are interested in extremely accurate later knights, you might like to check out Steelfist Miniatures, they are simply fantastic. I have ordered tons from them, very much to my financial detriment due to Brexit.🙄But since you are from that island yourself, that wouldn't cause any hassle for you.
I've already subscribed to a number mini painting channels already, so a little more certainly won't hurt. Your historical approach covers an interesting niche I haven't come across yet.
Really enjoyed this - well presented with some very interesting observations…and yes they look great, Victrix supply enough alternate weapons and helms that there is an incredible amount of variety that you can build into the figures
More of this!
It shall be done.
Would love to follow the progress on those minis! Always proposing very interesting and unique content with a personal, spontaneous, and experience-based twist, which I really enjoy.
Thank you. This video is currently doing poorly, but I will definitely make it a series anyway.
The shield is a originally moorish 'adarga' widely used in Spain till the end of the 16th century
From what I understand, I think the phrygian helm gets its name from a hat that also has a swept front… though whenever you google “Phrygian helm” the first thing that comes up is the ancient Greek Phrygian helm. Interesting how there are medieval and ancient helms with this style
You are correct. The Macedonians wore a Phrygian style helmet (sometimes referred to as the Thracian??). The hat that is seen worn later on and the type of helmet here in the video I believe is probably named after that classical Phrygian style. The later "Frisian" title I think might be a bit of confusion as it sounds like "Phrygian". Well, that's my guess.
This was really fun. Going through models made me realize how little I think of them in any sense of accuracy. Very cool!
From all the literature and research ive been able to gather, you're only partially correct, in that William of Normandy used two distinct types of cavalry at Hastings, hired Breton mercenaries of the light cavalry, skirmishing type AND the heavier type we would normally associate with Normans
Great review. I love the historical background. Thank you.
Glad you liked it
Hi Zac. 19:18 I think that those are supposed to be Adargas, a type of leather shield that was used in Iberia and North Africa by both Christians and Muslims. And slightly related, I think that the swords bellow your fingers at 20:00 are supposed to be Espada Jineta which were a type of sword also from the same region and used by Muslims.
Thanks, that's awesome.
I don't do much model/figure building so I don't know what is standard, but the details on these figures is amazing. They seem really well done.
They're really nice and crisp. Victrix seem to have a great range.
Victrix are probably the best, most detailed 28mm you can get
What a legend you are then buddy!
I think a force of each Saxons and Normans for a Hail Ceasar game set in Hastingd would be cool. Or use them for first crusade crusaders I suppose.
I loves this. Interesting to see how detailed these are. Great video.
Thanks.
Get some clippers for cutting the parts from the sprue. Side cutters are the best but suture scissors work well too. Safer and works much better.
The other Norman cavalry set, the unarmoured one, is perfect for the Breton cavalry, armed with javelins
Yes, I've been looking at them as potential additions to the force.
Could you please give some information about the dyes used for clothing in this time? I would love to paint historically correct norman miniatures, but this information would also be useful for re-enacting.
Great video. I’ve got a couple of packs of these and I noticed how the horses looked quite chunky and looking through horse breeds they look like Norman cobs to me. Would that not have been the breed the Normans used?
I’ve got several dark age collections many of them on ponies. Does look a bit comical but that’s certainly what Scots, Picts and Welsh seemed to use
This is great.
Thanks
What other kind of miniatures do you collect?
Would love to see more minis, even if it isn't related to medieval times (or even anything historical)!
I collect age of sigmar as well, but I haven't bought anything in a long time. I am thinking about doing a video on Stormcast armour at some point.
@@ZacharyEvans Would love to see it. I just started 40K (like a few weeks ago), and it's a very cool. Just sooo expensive.
But I wouldn't mind a painting tutorial of some kind ;-)
@@thomasbessems1654 Have you seen my arming a Space Marine video? I did it a while ago comparing space marine armour to mine.
I belive the shell/heart shaped shields is what in spanish we call adarga. It is an arabic or maybe berber shield made of leather that entered europe trough the muslim invasion of Spain. It is possible that its influence reached southern France due to the atempt to conquer France frustrated in the battle of poitiers of 732. Cant tell that for shure of course, but I think it is a plausible theory.
Thanks!
"The horse is probably a bit too tall"
The land of "28mm" has far worse scale issues than that I'm afraid.
For sure.
Destriers were MASSIVE compared to the sort of horse a Saxon Thegn would probably have been able to get his hands on. They were purpose-bred for war
Although, I could of course be wrong
Lookin' great. I'd love to get some and hit em with that slap chop razzle dazzle. I've been building a a serious collection of minis for our D&D campaign. These Victrix models look clean. I think I may buy a box or two. Nice detail and a good price point. What other mini companies do you like? I've been eyeballing some stuff from Wargames Atlantic.
I have a small early 15th century ry from the perrys. They're nice, but the tech is older.
What I'd like to know is what the horses with the fur saddle cloths are useful for? Is it for the Islamic cavalry option in the pack? I've never seen Normans with that style. At least for 1066.
I don't know to be honest. Worth looking into.
Ignore this if it's a pointless distraction. But I think the term "Dark Ages" is perfectly fine, it reflects a real drop in population, economic output, written records, complexity of social organisation etc. in Europe at the time.
Can't help feeling people only object to it as an attempt to appear more enlightened/sophisticated than the old fashioned historians/general public. Is that completely unfair?
I think the name has been thrown out because of the popular conception of the dark ages. However, now we're experiencing a growth of it where any medieval period is dark, brooding, ill-educated and colourless.
Chainmail armor is not really like broigne armor...