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As a lifelong Boise State fan, and a casual fan of The Big 12, I’m really excited that momentum is heading towards an invite. It’s a great fit, much better than The Pac ever could be. BYU is a historic rival, TCU is a heated opponent. With BSU thus new conference will have all the teams that have performed as a power program in mid-major conferences and the historic programs of The Irate 8. This conference will be legitmately a true split between legendary schools and merited up and coming programs. It’ll be a lot of fun to watch.
As a West Virginia fan... I hope BSU can get in on the next round. Been a following Boise for a while. I knew the mountain west wouldn't be able to keep you guys for too long. Should make for a great Big 12 conference.
legendary schools!!! hilarious after OU and Texas leave it will be mid major conference.....sunbelt of Midwest basically better off staying in Mountain west.
@@rubengonzalez750 if you think that Colorado State, Wyoming, and New Mexico are equivalent to Iowa State, Baylor, and Oklahoma State, I suspect you’ve not followed the MWC very closely. It’s head and shoulders above every other non power conference, and it’s new members have a habit of beating up the Pac12.
@@toddcortez714 WVU adds a really interesting dynamic too. The Big East legacy with Cincinnati and WVU is pretty cool.
@@ezekielloseke5514 they are that is my point.. read my post carefully.
Simply put the Big 12 was only going to add the 4 of the best G5 schools available. I don't think adding 6 or 8 right away was seriously an option. Memphis was just not in the invite realignment pecking order before UH. Cincy, UCF and BYU. But Boise State and Memphis are in the driver's seat as the next invites to any power 5 conference.
I disagree from a financial standpoint…
Airforce, SDSU, CSU, Memphis, UNLV, Boise state..
That is in order the highest athletic revenue…Brian Harsin left BSU in dispute with their incompetent athletic department…I say go the financial route and pick SDSU and Memphis..
I am totally on board with Memphis, Boise, and SMU for Big 12 round 2 expansion, but USF does not move the needle for me. I would look at San Diego State or even Colorado State.
Or app state I agree with u USF is not a needle mover
I'd like the idea of the Iron Skillet becoming a conference rivalry, im just not sure how the current TX schools would feel with adding a 5th school.
Nothing wrong with adding USF other than what they did to UCF joining the Big East. Payback is now.
Nothing wrong with Colorado State or San Diego State either, other than distance - but build a western division or pod out there & it would work - the western schools may end up Round 3, however, imo - all at once.
They want nothing to do with SDSU. No fan base and 2 far.
Me too. Well said. I think they’re basing things more on geography than skills but SDSU and CSU would compete favorably once they have a level playing field. As a BYU fan I’m much more scared of playing both those schools than USF even if my fear might not be completely rational.
Speaking as someone who was born and raised in Memphis and went to the university…this guy is flat wrong. There’s nothing more Memphis has wanted than to get into a P5 conference. Yes, we’ve been burned and fans have a “we’ll believe it when we see it” approach, but don’t think for a minute we don’t want it. The local talk here is that all efforts are being made to meet P5 standards. I’m sure there are talks happening behind the scenes these guys have no clue about. I just don’t get where this guy is coming from.
I agree..they want it bad. Not sure what they are talking about
Exactly penny even said they were disappointed
I remember growing up there and Memphis state was one of the worst schools in the nation. Now there's talk of Memphis being a research 1 institution. Incredible turnaround. Then these guys mucking up Memphis.
@@davidaz6622 You can say that about the entire city of Memphis as to how it has transitioned over the last 20 years or more. Nice city as far as I can tell.
I can't imagine that any of the schools mentioned would say, "No thanks, we're not ready!" to any potential Big 12 invite. A rather ridiculous speculation.
What is your source of the information that Memphis was not ready to move with the recent expansion. Memphis would walk to the Big 12 headquarters to join.
Yeah…I don’t understand this guy’s take on this.
Oklahoma.
I was for Memphis to be added to the big 12 when Colorado left.
Supposedly the big 12 was asking about are you going to get liberty bowl upgraded or are you going to build a new on campus stadium snd supposedly Memphis did not really have an answer at this time ?
The big 12 should invite Bosie or San Diego state before Pac 12 invites them. There are only 5 schools left that are worth power 5 invite. 1. Bosie 2. SMU, 3. Memphis, 4. USF, San Diego state 5.
Relax, there is no way in Hell Boise, San Diego St or even UNLV will ever be invited to the PAC
Add Memphis, SDSU, Boise, and (Smu, CSU, or UNLV) Big12 will have a footprint in so many major cities…san Diego, DFW, Houston, Orlando, Cincinnati….while they can’t control those markets the exposure and recruiting can keep them in power 5 talks…
Split it East and west…
No Memphis
Bosie and Memphis should be next in chapter 2. I would look at San Diego state very close better program that USF. SMU is the only other school from AAC you would want unless you go after mountain west schools.
Boise State, like Brigham Young, is in the Mountain Time Zone. San Diego State is in the Pacific Time Zone. I can't imagine Central Florida, Cincinnati or West Virginia wanting a conference rival three time zones away -- it's simply too unwieldy.
With a 14 team conference..that could be easily avoided…I think it would be worth the add from a financial standpoint…SDSU makes almost 10 million more dollars a year than Boise State…
@@lastcomment2614 San Diego state has brand new stadium being build no NFL team in the area. Great basketball program would be a great add. Also top tv market what conferences are looking for. Big 10 added Rutgers just so they could get the Big Ten Network into the New York area
I actually think USF should be the next one to join. Look at their market and UCF ruvakry and tradition
ASU Sun Devil fan here. If they are not ready, what about hitting the PAC12 in there own backyard? Fresno St has the facilities and quality and SDSU has a new stadium almost ready and they are good in Football and Basketball. I love Boise St, but Idaho is not a big market and besides football, they don’t really offer much, but I wouldn’t turn them down. I like South Florida and SMU. I think they should drop Memphis. I’m a Big12 fan, too bad the Big12 couldn’t get Arizona St and Arizona, but leaving USC, UCLA OREGON, STANFORD, WASHINGTON for OSU, Kansas, Baylor, WV, Cincinnati, BYU wouldn’t be a good trade off. (I would love my Sun Devils in the Big12). Can’t wait to see how the Big 12 grows and competes in the future. Going to 16 is the future, but what happens if the Big10 does and try and steal Kansas and OSU OR ISU? What about the ACC going to 16 and WV move? I just don’t want the Big12 to be dropped to a lower conference. Good move to grow to 16!
This is the first anyone in Memphis has heard of our “rejecting” the Big 12! UN-believable to me. Memphis and it’s fans and alumni certainly would welcome joining their biggest AAC rivals and new rivals as well. I’m not sure where this talk of “rejection of the Big 12” is coming from. It certainly hasn’t been discussed by sports writers here in the Greater Memphis area.
Then you need to read up more on this and ask those sports writers why they are getting nothing out of Memphis. No one is talking at Memphis. No one.
Check out recent replies in Memphis media to this bunk...
@@bobplunk3697 Memphis media is not Memphis administration. What a bunch of yakkers blabber about has nothing to do with the university.
@@cadengrace5466 How stupid would ANY University be to delay or turn down an invitation to join a "power Five" conference? When officially invited, Memphis will be there.
@@bobplunk3697 You would think that is the rational answer but it has not been the case.
How is Memphis not ready?
A short dissertation on Memphis football. This is in response to the guy that messaged during the show that "Memphis considered shuttering the program 10 years ago." Bullsh!t, the guy (or gal) has no idea what he/she is talking about.
We started playing football in 1912. We moved to D-1a in 1959. We were a VERY GOOD - GREAT team starting out. In 1963 under Spooke Murphey, we went undefeated 9-0-1 (we tied #3 Ole Miss 0-0), and finished ranked #14. Through a quirk, we didn't go to a bowl that year. We turned down a bowl invitation to a bowl I can't recall because we were sure we were getting an invitation to the Gator bowl that never came.
Back then we were independent. Sure, we played in the MVC (and won the conference 3 of the 5 years we played in it from '68-'72), but other than that we were independent all the way up to 1996. We played 4 or 5 SEC games per year plus Florida State or the like. In 1987 (in the middle of my college years @ then Memphis State), we went 5-5-1. Yeah, not that great, BUT... People always talk about how "you small schools don't know what it's like going through a "POWER 5" conference schedule.... Anybody can get up for one game..." Well, that year we beat Ole Miss, lost to Vanderbilt, lost to #7 Florida State, lost to Miss. State, and beat #15 Alabama, ALL WITHIN THE FIRST 5 GAMES OF THE SEASON. "A school like Memphis has no idea what it's like....." Yes. We do.
So yeah, we sucked during the late 80s and all of the 90s, but when we hired coach Tommy West, we turned a corner, and I mean from a fanbase perspective. We took off. Of course, DeAngelo Williams didn't hurt.
But now comes the part where you need to pay close attention if you are not from Memphis. See, we have something here called "basketball-only fans". But worse than that, the majority of them are "Tiger basketball-Vol football fans". Or Rebel football fans. Or Alabama football fans. Not that they went to those universities. No, we call them "sidewalk graduates" of those schools. The vast majority of them never set foot in Tuscaloosa, or Knoxville, or Oxford. They are happy to root for the home team in basketball, because the home team is nationally relevant. But C-USA was NOT relevant. So about half the city and surrounding area "adopted" a "local" SEC team. One of 4 or 5.
I have always felt, if Memphis were to get into a RELEVANT football conference, people around here would stop whoring themselves out to the SEC and root for the home team. I mean, hell... they all (well... most) went to college @ Memphis anyway.
So, with this "sidewalk SEC graduate" fan in mind, I will explain this "Memphis considered shuttering the program 10 years ago" bullsh!t. It was a movement... BY THEM. ***And that includes some sports radio personalities here.*** No one in the serious booster levels was EVER entertaining that. As a matter of fact, 12 years ago, we had Lou Holtz come give a keynote address to the Memphis boosters in order to ramp up Tiger football. Of course, we made a HORIBLE hire with Larry Porter, but we quickly rectified that within 2 years (Justin Fuente).
Since then we have:
Totally renovated the Murphey center
Built an IPF
Built state-of-the-art locker rooms at the Liberty Bowl
Addressed the ADA issues at the LB
Added a butt-load of chairbacks at the LB
Gutted the tailgating parking lots into the beautiful new Tiger Lane
Spent millions and millions and millions on campus renovation and new construction (tons of new dorms)
Worked toward (and supposedly will reach by December) R-1 status
In conclusion, We as a fanbase would like to know what Laird Veatch has said or done to indicate that we "are not interested at this time" or "we are not ready yet." Not ready for WHAT? To cash a TV check 3 times the size of our current one? To have superior names come into our stadium more often than once a season? I'm sorry, what exactly is it that we still need to do?
I'm confused as to what "not ready" means. This whole segment feels too vague in the explanation for it to make total sense to many people.
USF makes the most sense! I cannot believe they still have not had the invite. Tampa is a HUGE market and with UCF being in the Big 12 it would solidify their presence in Florida
A perfect example of how to lose all credibility
Add Boise , Memphis, SMU, USF, Nevada & UNLV. Grab the Dallas, Tampa, & Las Vegas TV market
Not sure where you are getting your source, but Memphis is ready and willing to move to Big 12.
According to one AD as long as one vote is for the Big 12 staying P5, the Big 12 remains P5.
The alliance also wants the big 12 to survive
@@Sloppyplane37 Why?
@@DavidGibsonSongs to keep the balance in the NCAA as a whole
@@DavidGibsonSongs from a financial and competitive standpoint
Love the attitude of high and mighty Baylor fans. Should be playing in Conference USA with UTEP. Only where you are now because of political connections.
Baylor is that average looking girl that thinks she’s mush prettier than she really is.
Most years that would be too much, Sun Belt is more like it. But now, Appalachian State and Coastal Carolina would give them problems. Maybe even Louisiana-Lafayette.
SMU has a 1billion dollar endowment fund. Big 16 needs a West pod of 4 teams BS,BYU,TTU, and CSU, or SAN DIEGO STATE. One more team East pod USF or Memphis .
SMU has a nearly 2 billion dollar endowment. The Big-12 is not going to go to pods, the money does not work for travel budgets, it has been looked at and rejected.
The media partners will determine if there will be a 'chpater2'.
Definitely a no for usf and smu.... Memphis and Boise should be the only locks for now
Both Boise and Memphis will have to wait until UT and OU leave for the SEC.
Smu would be very huge. Smu us usually decent in basketball and most of the time is great in football. they are a relevant team.
I think USF is the clear invite actually
Not mentioned but UAB has an incredible new stadium, top 5 med school, natural recruitment base, up and coming with two cusa titles in 3 years and most importantly, the # 1 tv market for college football.
As a life long fan and season ticket holder I’m biased but would be a great imprint into the SEC market.
Texas IN The SEC is a joke. Forget big bowls
They got killed by middle of the pack Arkansas. Hope alumni is happy.
The big 12 would have picked 8 schools but some schools were not ready. End of the month big 12 will invite 2-4 schools
Memphis and either Air Force or San Diego St should be invited and nobody else
With SDSU, you'll have a 4-time-zone conference. Not viable.
What dies AFA offer besides mediocre FB and an RPI anchor in BB ?
Directv does not carry the PAC12 Network
Simply not true that Memphis turned down the Big12. Yeah, the school that has tried the longest of any G5 school to move up, said no. No. Not true at all.
As long as you believe that and do not question your administration it may stay that way. When you have the Big-12 telling you they wanted Memphis and Memphis said we are not ready, you still think Memphis was rejected. From what I have seen of the Memphis fanbase, this way of thinking seems universal. The fans of Memphis need to demand answers from the administration and get to the bottom of this. Go ahead, call your sports broadcasters and see what they can find out, each and every one of them will tell you that no one is talking Memphis and they can't get an interview with any to even ask questions.
@@cadengrace5466 "When you have the Big-12 telling you they wanted Memphis and Memphis said we are not ready..." ??? Says who? This guy (David Smoak)? Because this is the ONLY place I have ever heard that. I mean, I am leaning to believe him, but I need some proof in the form of SOMETHING that actually makes sense. All he offers is nebulous, unclear generalities. WHAT, exactly, are we not ready to do? He won't be specific, and that breeds doubt.
@@georgeburns1561 I understand your frustration. But the Big-12 has said they have pulled out the chair for Memphis and Memphis told them we are not ready. This was also what Boise State and USF said. If you have watched 365 you will learn that everything that has come out of that show has been 100% accurate. They have a pipeline inside the Big-12 and it has been flawless to date.
@@cadengrace5466 *"But the Big-12 has said they have pulled out the chair for Memphis and Memphis told them we are not ready."* Again, provide a link to this besides these guys, or it didn't happen.
@@georgeburns1561 You're right George it didn't happen. You would rather wallow in self-pity and self delusion that everything is working like a charm at Memphis rather than listen to those who have been right about everything that has happened since this carousel started in July. You are right, my goodness, why did they not get you on the show as an expert interview, you know everything and poor old Memphis is such an obvious victim.
There now do you feel better?
If you are an example of the best sort of fans that Memphis has to offer, maybe you should be passed by.
This is quickly turning into a Texas conference
Bc they are considering adding one more Texas school than they had before UT and OU left?
Coming back to this post. (1-7-22) Not sure how it could happen but if the Big 12 could get Notre Dame, Memphis, Boise State and Liberty this would be solid. I know ND has a contract with the ACC but all things can be negotiated. ND would be the premiere team in the Big 12 in which I think that's what they desire to be compared to being in the B10 or ACC. Memphis has a decent athletic program and is in a major city. Boise State would be a travel partner for BYU but they also bring a legit football program for competition purpose and then Liberty is the wild card. Liberty has been trending up the last 10yrs and they are investing in the athletic program. Being a private school means they have private money and they serve as travel partner for West Virginia.
We are ready; the momentum is on our side 🐎
USF is the better option. Academics will immediately be better than a lot of the schools currently in and coming to the conference. Location and rivalry with UCF. Still talent from UF, FSU by locking down the I-4 corridor. Beaches, Campus, fans, night life, pro-stadium (alcohol), etc. None of the other schools can compete with us.
Y’all gonna be real upset when Kansas and maybe others leave
No one is leaving, put down you wet dream underwear.
PAC12 had interest in TCU and Houston, they would leave this BIG12 in a heartbeat if they had the option. Kansas, Kansas St. and Iowa St. Would jump at a BIG10 invite
@@dustinrhodes4793 No one is moving to the Pac-12 except maybe a G5 school. If the Big Ten invited someone or the SEC, that is a different story, anyone in the ACC, P12 or B12 would accept that invitation hands down.
@@dustinrhodes4793 Kansas state is not going anywhere but the Big12 or a worse conference as of right now.
@@cadengrace5466 you’re stupid if you think other teams are looking to leave and will leave more than likely when the opportunity comes. Might take an extra year or two but it will happen.
I would really like to see SMU and Notre Dame join
Come on Ace, what can SMU possibly add to the B12? Small school, attendance in the 20K’s, lousy tv ratings
@@bobbypaluga4346 SMU is on the rise and them being back in a power conference could put them back to how they were in the 80s
@@loganmeasles12 That’s fine for SMU but what does it do to benefit the Big 12?
@@bobbypaluga4346 it brings old rivalries back together what did TCU bring or WV the big 12 can only get rising teams not established
Need to get to 16 and put feelings aside and have SEC schedule alliance
Yeah I would definitely see if the SEC would be interested in a long-term scheduling and political alliance in exchange for greasing the wheels for OU/UT's exit. It'd be worth it. I know everyone wants a pound of flesh but what matters more is solidifying and strengthening the Big 12, and a long-term alliance with the SEC would contribute to that in a big way.
Since the Alliance basically is out to destroy the little 8, they have to come to their senses soon. Their only friend is the SEC. They need to fire Bowlshitsby immediately and install Luck to run the conference. Luck is directly responsible for all the conference expansion. Nothing happened in the previous decade under Bowlshitsby; it all happened after Luck was hired.
Why would the Big-12 even want to schedule the SEC? It looks very much like a 9 game conference schedule. A out of conference rival, a rent a win team and one rotating P5 from somewhere that you recruit. The BIg-12 seldom recruits in SEC territory.
SEC would laugh at that
@@dustinrhodes4793 They can laugh all they want, they are not the end all be all of college sports. IF every team in the SEC stopped playing football tomorrow the world would go on and the other conferences would not miss them.
San Diego State and Colorado State needs to be the last 2 in to go alongside Boise State and BYU . And West Virginia would be happy having Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF and USF. And Oklahoma State has TCU ,Baylor, Houston, SMU,TTU and Iowa State,Kansas State and Kansas. Perfect regional partners and has presence in Texas, Florida, California and Ohio which is huge.
The big 8.....teen... LOL why not !
You kicking out Texas Tech?
@@aaronwilson2354 yep
@@aaronwilson2354 just kidding lol, it would actually be fun and almost like having the old SWC having TTU,Baylor, TCU,SMU,Houston and Oklahoma State. I can definitely be able to attend all of those.
Id take Boise State, UNLV, Memphis, and Fresno State or Colorado State. Fuck usf
But if there is a change where the rules does not matter.....? 2:20.
Foregone conclusion....MEMPHIS and its alumni and fans are ready!
I'd rather see Memphis in the SEC over Vanderbilt
4 more schools would be a good idea
At least 2 schools. Need to future proof. Any of the remaining 8 or new 4 get an offer to go somewhere else they are gone.
Get more schools now, so this doesn’t replay itself in a couple of years
I'd add two, Memphis and either SMU or Boise. If the Big XII loses more schools they will have their pick of non-P5 schools.
No thank you to usf. Big 12 doesn't need an empty red pirate ship stadium in the conference.
USF is getting our own stadium built which should help with attendance. As well as an indoor practice facility to help with recruiting. We need to show more improvement to get people to show up. You can't expect people to show up when the team has been bad for so long. USF is in Tampa Florida which is big. I won't say the school is ready yet. But let's see what happens in 2 to 3 years when the next expansion happens.
@@mattsmith5917 usf is getting their own stadium built? Show me a picture of the construction site please?
@@fade2blac352 Yeah I word that part wrong, I meant to say we have a plan to build it after the practice facility is built which is being built currently and will be finished in May.
USF provides three crucial aspects to being invited into the Big-12. (1) They are in a major media market, (2) They provide a travel partner to Florida with UCF. Schools in their division will schedule one at home and one away and then flip it the following year so that the travel budget is a flat line and not a rolling curve. and (3) They have been a power school before from their days in the Big East. The cherry on top is a new stadium on campus. You asked Matt for proof. Google and look for yourself, you aren't helpless.
@@mattsmith5917 There is no plan to build a stadium. There's only a bunch of feasibility studies and a comment by a board of trustee stating a desire for a stadium. There's no plan. There's not even a specific fundraiser to make a donation to go towards this make believe stadium. If a fantasy is a plan, then yes, usf has a plan to build a stadium.
In what reality would Memphis a G5 tell the Big12 a P5 not yet but we'll get back to ya?
Never happened....
Boise st, Colorado State, Louisiana, Memphis.
I'm a lifelong Texas fan, Texas-El Paso alum - so I know good and really bad football (although my Miners are 6-1, coming off the bye), and Bob Bowlsby would do well to refrain from criticizing Texas or OU.
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It's done, they're gone. The two will prosper or fail in the SEC. I think both will do well.
I don't know of a single Texas fan who is not jacked up at the prospect of SEC competition, across the spectrum of sports. It's been a tough decade for Texas football, no doubt, but I see the program turning the corner and excelling in the SEC. Bob B., let it go.
Better hope the do pods. Because Texas of lately don't break .500 in the west. OU Arkansas and A&M in a pod is better for Texas. Then hope you get favorable games out of the other pods..
I’m ok with usf boise and Memphis but no to smu you don’t need another Texas school after adding Houston go for Colorado state, Louisiana tech, Tulane, San Diego state
I've been trying to figure out why San Diego State hasn't been discussed more as an expansion candidate.
I think SMU will only happen if The PAC takes some Big 12 Texas schools.
@@Omagus Location. If they were closer they’d be in already.
@@drgat6953
I don’t think the pac12 is going to go after any of the Texas schools
Louisiana Tech? That's a big NO.
Memphis hasn't been ready for expansion except when they killed the Metro Conference to set up the short lived Great Midwet (which never lived log enough to get an NCAA Autobid).
Boise and Memphis are the only others worth adding.
I would rather see the big 12 take Georgia State than USF. GSU has a large on campus stadium, 100k+ alumni in the atlanta area, 50k student population, the atlanta market, a very easy potential to be the best football in atlanta, georgia recruiting, and investment into sports as well as a history of playing big teams well
Agreed. usf is only being mentioned because of UCF. Not because of usf. GSU is on the up.
Lol Georgia St before App State or Coastal. Hilarious 😂
do they know when the big 12 would even consider doing another round of expansion?
When they start renegotiating a new TV contract they will talk what if we grab a couple more
Id say 2024 at the earliest gotta get a look at how the new schools are adjusting and should have a pretty good idea how tv negotiations are.going by then. Plus odds are good OU and UT will be gone.
No USF, yes to BOISE. Take SMU. I would say San Diego State but not a fan of another time zone. I would take ECU over USF because they have fans and a natural rival to WV.
No way on ECU. Cincy takes care of WVU.
SMU is a no go... we don't need another Texss school... it would be better to get LTU, Nevada, CCU, Tulane or Georgia St...
Strongly disagree. I think USF and Boise are the 2 clear invites. USF is in Tampa which is a huge market and already has its rival in the big 12 so it would solidify the big 12s presence in the 2nd biggest recruiting state. Boise is also clear because they have turned their small program into a legit contender for years
@@brandonh5360 Old comment. With the PAC instability, BIG12 needs to hold out for those schools. San Diego State only if paired with at least 1 PAC school. Boise has work to do before getting an invite.
What are you talking about??!!!🙄
I think all teams should just join the SEC. then the SEC championship would really be the national championship.
Still would give back Nebraska for Iowa State can you guys start talking that into existence cuz I like the culture fit better for both teams (I know it won't happen)
-Big10 fan
usf is not going anywhere. Why would the Big 12 willingly add a team that has shown it refuses to invest in athletics and covers the exact same market as UCF, who has shown they go about it the exact opposite way?
Big 12 needs to get back Missouri, Nebraska and add Utah if they're going to add Boise St. Heck maybe even look at both Arizona schools since it seems the conference is headed west. I think they would allow WVU to leave for the ACC if so
Nebraska may think about it now that Texas is leaving (Nebraska's departure was believed to be a reaction to what it considered Texas trying to call all the shots at everyone else's expense, and as soon as they got that Big 10 invite their fellow schools kicked them out of the Association of American Universities, of which every other Big 10 school is a member).
Don’t forget Colorado could come back they don’t fit in well in the PAC-12
There is no such thing as Power 5 in the Plauoff era that is coming.
Top 6 Ranked Champions get in.
Nobody's Champion is Guaranteed to get in unless they are Ranked Highly,
An undefeated Boise St and an undefeated Toledo could be Ranked HIGHER than a Big 12 Champion one year and that Champ gets left out.
These guys are so uninformed and so many people just swakkiw everrything they say like gospel.
I really don't know how the big 12 can survive without texas and Oklahoma I really don't
Texas hasn't been good since Mac Brown . Oklahoma is all you have to replace.
Forget Boise St. I would be looking at App State. Bigger media market. Right now better football product. Gets you into North Carolina 13 million population. Tennessee, Georgia and Virginia markets
The Big 12 is on track to be a non power 5 school. Their best bet is to merge with Pac 12 for a 24 team league. Stop this nonsense.
Who is most likely to leave the Big 12 next?
Kansas, west virginia
USF is trash. I'm an alum and have no idea why any major conference would want them. The school doesn't care about the program so I'm not sure why the B12 would either.
I'm with ya.. USF is a huge public school. Whether they want to admit it or not.. if they ever want to rise to the next level they need to make football their investment priority. I know USF has done very well with research funding, getting 1 of 3 FL preeminent university status, etc.. but no one cares about that on a national level. I take it as a good sign they started building the indoor practice facility, but get a goddamn stadium built. If I'm the Big12, I would LOVE to take UCF and USF together. Keep what would become a great rivalry, and capture both Tampa and Orlando market which is currently untapped in power 5 conferences. I'd be worried if I were UCF too, unless they remain close to undefeated, they'll become irrelevant. They're closest opponent will be half a country away. UCF has played great for the past 4 years, but I'm still in my 20s and when I was at USF, we were ranked off and on all 4 years, and UCF was hot garbage. Things change, fast
Tulsa beat UM & SMU . USF. / UCF 3 in a row . But I know that the product your selling is not the actual product on the field .. 2 / 1st rd picks . Good luck to jaxon Player..another “TU” NFL product
Memphis would be a good fit and would expand the Big 12's reach into three more states (TN, AR, MS). USF would be a good pairing for UCF as the two have a long rivalry and are close to each other. Boise State is way too far out of the way, even for BYU (if the Big 12 wants to go west either get Air Force or Colorado State).
Boise St. makes sense, idk about the rest. They are just watering down their conference with group of 5 schools. 16 team conference with only 4 teams left from the BIG8, 6 left from the original BIG12. Doesn't feel much like a power 5 anymore
Times are changing. You either keep up or get left behind. USF works for market size, Memphis will benefit in basketball, SMU is in the Dallas area and so many million and billionaires ready for big time football again.
Why isn't Colorado state more of a target for the big 12. Geographically seems like a great fit being between Kansas and Utah
colorado st is garbage and they should invite Air Force before them
If I were CSU I would ask the big 12 as to what is needed to be in the conference. If they meet the conditions ad then.
Make no mistake, this move was about power and the top 4 conferences have no interest in keeping the Big 12 around as a peer conference. It might take a few years, but the process has already been set in motion. As exposure and donations gradually dry up it will be inevitable, but won't happen overnight.
Do you have citations or sources for this statement? Otherwise is it just your personal opinion? I believe that the Big 12 will grow more powerful than it's been with OU and UT because everyone will basically be on equal 'footing'! I'm a UCF fan so I'm biased for the Big 12 becoming prosperous again.
Knight U my opinion but also years of watching the top conferences continue to maneuver to take all the power. What incentive do they have to keep the Big 12 on equal footing? I am not saying it will happen overnight.
What happens to the long horn network when they move to the sec?
Ever heard of streaming on the internet?
@@machtschnell7452 Huh? I was asking will the sec allow it? I thought that's why UT stayed last time instead of heading west.
Texas and OU have leverage in the Big 12.
With the SEC ??
They got nothing.
They will be nothing once the current classes and recruiting classes have moved on.
Texas will looked to the PAC 12.
OU will be trapped.
Do theese guys have a day job
One more Big 12 school is leaving by 2025.
Please tell us who.
I’m fascinated by the Bosie state love
Their national profile peaked years ago. What do they bring?
Are they that big of a thing?
The bring a State of 1.5 million people! Many of whom are fans of Utah, BYU and Wazzu because of close proximity to those schools. What they have managed to do is great but I'm not sure they are that sure of a lock.
@@dt7353 lol 😂 fans of Utah, and wsu ohhh ok
Comparable ratings to the 3 AAC schools we added. Peaked or not people still watch them.
@@busaf95
I don’t know who those people are…. Maybe is a west thing.
I just know their national profile peaked
No, they are a former Juco with no endowment.
May be a hot take, but it’s pretty stupid to have a conference split up into two divisions. Just make a smaller conference where every team plays each other every year.
B12 and pac-12 merge with the conference
Lol BYU can beat the PAC, but not the B12 thus year.
Without Oklahoma and Texas holding the proverbial gun the Big XII's head i think the new teams creates a better league. So, bye Big XII hostage takers.
Oklahoma.
I agree with you.
Gonna start rooting for Oklahoma State.
Not interested in sec
It happened fast because the pc12 made it happen fast
Had nothing to do with the Pac-12 and it was not fast. It just seemed that way to people not paying attention.
SMU had the death penalty for something that is Illeagle now days.
It was illegal then. But that case was in 1987 and everyone involved has long moved on from SMU. They have come back and of course, they've followed the NCAA bylaws since then for obvious reasons. They are an AAU school with many donors. They do have the George W. Bush library as an example and their football team is #21 AP/#19 Coaches so that helps.
@@knightu1642 I don’t think SMU is AAU. They are R2 and thus not AAU! Baylor people are talking crap because Memphis is or will be R1 this year. Baylor and SMU and BYU will always be R2.
@@michaelwall3393 Yes you're right on SMU. I must have been thinking about Rice since they were in C-USA with SMU and UCF.
I don't understand the talk of SMU and USF while leaving out a school like Colorado State. If you want to just look at attendance, then you'll realize Colorado State has the 6th best attendance so far this season behind only Cinci, UCF, BYU, Boise, and ECU. Colorado State would be a much better add than SMU and USF when it comes to fan support, money, cultural fit, etc. Let's also not forget Colorado State now has one of the nicest stadiums in all of G5.
There are no blue bloods in the acc
They have new bloods for sure: FSU, Miami, Clemson, but, yeah, no blue bloods. FSU would be the closest to being one.
In basketball but not football
@@praxton blue bloods are bama, Oklahoma, Texas, penn st, Michigan, Ohio st, Nebraska, and usc....
@@Godisgood13208 Nebraska no. Bama UG Oklahoma Texas ND Michigan osu USC Oklahoma are the blue bloods. Penn st Oregon LSU are right there.
How is Texas when both Miami and FSU have more titles than Texas? Texas is not a blue blood, just a big name
Apparently you do care you wont quit talking bout the subject on your show, you just lost the best teams the big 12 will ever see
What do you consider “best” about Texas? They haven’t done anything in over a decade and the only credibility Oklahoma has is going 0-4 in the CFP. The only thing best about these schools is their fans egos.
Hypothetical: What about inviting all three service academies for round two, either as football only members or in all sports. They all have huge reach and great academics.
Again….
If you’re going to pretend to be a bog boy conference, you don’t invite / can’t have them in it.
You can invite Memphis but not Army? Okay hog boy.
Big 12 is still awful tho… no big 12 network.. you aren’t a power 5 man.. cry about it
In today's episode: Here's some names of teams I've heard of that won that one game that one time.
San Diego St., LTU, Nevada, ECU are all better picks than SMU... Don't need another Texas school...
Lol App State is a better pick than ECU
No to South Florida!
Boise isn't getting in the Big 12. Academics and market are too weak. If on-the-field performance mattered that much Texas wouldn't have been allowed in the SEC.
I'm fine with Boise and USF, if Memphis wants to screw around like last time, I'd say try to add Air Force and Navy with them, maybe poach a up and coming school like App State or UAB in the future.
Big 12 is such a mish mash second tier conference.
San Diego State should be in there
Zero fan base. To far
Ranked 21 and building a new stadium with 35,000 seats and room for expansion. I would much rather watch them than USF
If 2 then SMU, Boise. If 4 then SMU, USF, Colorado State
CSU was routed by a FCS team. Better SDSU.
If you’re right, and Memphis turned it down….. screw them, move on. Get other schools thst are willing
I’m from Memphis and we didn’t. Have no idea why this guy is saying this. We’ve been trying to get into a P5 for a long time.
@@trylikeafool And with the basketball team has done the last 3 years the big 12 should've called Memphis 1st
The LITTLE 12 can add who they want. It's DONE.
NO Memphis..!!
Why are we always thinking small taters, SMU, Memphis, CSU? Can we not think a little bigger. Maybe be a little more aggressive.
Bowlshitsby is a myopic tool. He does not think, just merely cashes his checks.
@Texas Gunslinger “we” as in all the commenters suggesting the addition of small schools that would just water the conference down. “We” should think bigger. And yes I realize we have no control over conference realignment.
@@osupokie Who is bigger that 1) wants to join and 2) is available to join.
No p12 b10 Acc or sec team is taken a payout to go to a conference on life support
What does bosie potato state bring ..football team wins a few games lousy school small stadium metro airport what fans want to go there media market is 110
Boises the number one growing city in America, rivals with Boise and tcu, travel partner with byu, one of the most successful football teams ever in its young career, college itself its self is growing extremely fast, stadium expansion on the rise, not that hard to see why they should be added
Also the 110 media market is very misleading. Idaho has its media markets split weird. The following not only in the state but in the west as a whole is much larger than Iowa state, K-state, or Texas tech. Stadium is being upgraded and the airport is bigger than the airports near the schools I mentioned
Add rice and smu to secure Texas as well as houston and dfw. Then add Memphis and USF
SMU,Boise,South Florida and Colorado State
No more Texas schools please .
Buffalo is a dark horse. Always in the hunt for conference championships for bball and football. And a regional rival for wvu. State flagship and aau school