I have always found it interesting that the 1998 film "Soldier," which is set in the same universe as "Blade Runner," uses the same pulse rifles as seen in "Aliens." Another potential connection between the two franchises.
No he said his style was consistent and that he wanted the workers of the nostromo to be able to be imagine working in the same city and drinking at the same bar deckard would. He doesn’t outright say it but teases it which is obnoxious
Scott just copied Phillip K. Dick's whole body of work and mashed it into slop. Blade runner doesn't need the alien universe and vice versa. He's not a writer and he doesn't like or understand scifi and you can tell.
No he didn’t retard he got the script from Dan o bannon like most directors who didn’t write their movies did they bought the script and built the movie from there and how does he not understand scifi when those are the 2 most iconic movies ever made in the scifi genre that he directed what are you even saying you sound so stupid lmao how did he copy anyone lol your whole comment is retarded
VortechBand : lol! Good TFS Joke! ... Scary Simon : Not unless those xenos shoot first because that is the way George Lucas intended it to be! ... not that 1977 ohhppsi doohhhpsi !!! 😂
When Walter confronts David in Alien Covenant, he asks "When you sleep, do you dream of me?" This is a clear reference to Do androids dream of electric sheep, the novel blade runner is based on. I don't think many people noticed this one!
I just saw Blade Runner yesterday for the first time since being a kid. I noticed a screen in the police car saying "purge", which was featured before in Alien when Ripley starts the Narcisus to get out. And again in Alien Isolation, when Amanda turns on the reactor purge. And there's origamis all over Sevastopol, hinting at the other cop from Blade Runner who kept making them.
Yeah ... that "Other Cop"??? Did you know he is Admiral Adama in the newly recreated BSG (BattleStar Galactica)? The actor is Edward James Olmos.... (same guy) I never heard of "Alien Isolation"... I'll look it up.
Another tie: the computer sound effects in Bladerunner when Ford is analyzing the picture of the replicant are the same as in Alien when Ripley is in the cockpit of the Nostromo using the computer.
I love this channel, Alien Theory has great narration, fantastic dialog, content and fact checks his lore every time. He is quite reasonably the best channel for the alien franchise.
yeah i believe it. In alien covenant walter is a newer model to david, david's model was decommissioned because it became too self aware & thought for itself. This mirrors the nexus 6's, 8's and wallace's nexus 9's from blade runner 2049. Old nexus 6 & 8 models that were capable of self determination are being 'retired' while wallace's new nexus 9's which will always obey and are more robotic are being commissioned. Much like walter.
very gratifying to watch a video by someone else who enjoys pouring over the rich themes and deeply complex characters/motivations in these two franchises . Excellent work! I didn't have access to that dictated communication. This project just keeps on impressing. thanks, alien theory... et carter
The connection was The Soldier’s (Kurt Russel) combat history. O Ryan, Ten Gates. The same that Batty speaks of in tears in the rain scene at the end of Blade Runner.
I'd like to think so. I was hoping Vickers in Prometheus would be revealed to be an unaware replicant in Covenant just like Rachael but alas. And after hearing what you quoted from Weyland, the way he interacts with Vickers would make more sense. If Vickers was an android we could then joke the only reason she ran in a straight line under the Juggernaut was because her code didn't allow her to do otherwise (more David shenanigans).
As we see in the opening of Prometheus David seems to intake energy through a kind of food-like substance. Walter is also seen drinking something in "Meet Walter". I have to wonder what David was running on when he was alone on the Engineer planet, perhaps he had a supply with him. Technically speaking, yes, all things must die or break down eventually, but a robot has a seemingly endless lifespan, immortal, but perhaps not invincible. If one body breaks down, the memory can just be transferred to a new body. We humans cannot say the same.
Ah but he also says he feels alive, I believe David considers himself a living person. I interpret his comments as meaning "I have a virtually endless lifespan, you will inevitably die", a statement of his synthetic supremacy more than anything.
As Roy Batty said :" i've seen so many Marvellous things on so many 'OFF-WORLD' Colonies.." it's there.. *Covenant* was an "Colonizing ship and mission.. And the Peter Weyland at the TED talk ..Gives reference about his " *Mentor* " ..indeed..That used to live on top his Pyramid..! Still waiting Like All of Us for The *YUTANI* Connection Dear friend..Friendly Greets..!LOVED ..Really Loved Villeneuve's " *Blade Runner 2049* "!😀
In the Alien Tabletop RPG, theres a picture of a city that strikingly resembles that of Los Angeles in Blade Runner, flying cars, electronic billboards and all.
Corey Donaldson ... Only Ridley Scott connected! In Alien movies the "droid's" blood liquid is milky white! In Blade Runner the blood, and thus a man-made DNA sequence, is as red as humans! In Alien movies there may be possible "longevity" of Droids just by repairs and surgical means. In Blade Runner the DNA runs its course (4 years by the 1980s movie but may differ in the next "Nexus 8+" models!?
Will be funny if in next Alien movie they will reveal that some of the "colonists" are Nexus models set to help engineer future place and die off. Some of them get impregnated with alien and therefore giving it those needed bio-mechanical traits, as Nexus model aren't same flesh and bones we are made of. Especially in the books they are more of androids. Checklist: Colonization of other worlds - check Cross reference of corporations - check Futuristic setting - check These two movies can and should co-exist in shared universe. Blade runner expends Aliens area of cover, while Alien adds this threat level to the Blade runner, that somewhere out there are otherworldly species. Alien cover colonization aspect and space travel of Blade runner, while Blade runner shows what Earth is like while we are deep in space, why there is a need to colonize other worlds.
Lawrence Jelsma that's because Weyland Yutani's androids are not Tyrell's replicants. Two different creations by two different corporations, though they have their similarities
Seems like fun retconning by Scott. But the the two *feel* different. Different aesthetics. For that reason, I'd personally prefer to think of the films as being in different universes. I think that where intended to be the same universe to begin with
And I also love the "Prometheus" reference in the opening of "...Covenant", the tea seen. In "Prometheus", Charlize Theron slams him up against a corridor wall and David asks if she'd like some tea in a mocking tone. I suppose it's more of an mortality vs. immortality. I love this channel.
This evidence presented is really helping me cope with my anger against the xenomorphs being created by David in Covenant. Alien is 10x more believable and scary if the creature is a product of evolution. I hate all the God complex BS but the Blade runner tie in makes it a lot more interesting at least.
No. I do think that James Cameron was giving a polite 'thank you' to Ridley Scott, however, by including the Tyrell reference at the end of Dallas's file. If anything, I think the dialogue between Burke and Bishop, where it's revealed that the faulty unit of a previous 'synthetic' was made by Cyberdyne Systems, points to the Terminator universe being more likely. I suppose Sarah and Reese got it right in this timeline, too.
So happy to see someone suggest this before I could get to it. Please please please do the possible connection video as soon as you can! Keep up all the good work duder! We've got your back!
There is a another conection the USS Sulaco from Aliens 1986. It was a sequence in Blade Runner 2049, it is in the middle of the movie , I was remember because in thouse scene was music from original Blade Runner compose by Vangelis.
Guys, but how is it possible that blade runner and alien are part of the same universe, but the production companies are different: blade runner is produced by Warner Bros and alien is produced by 20th century fox
in this case you need to explain how blade runner ( original only ) and alien ties in with soldier since roy batty references " attack ships burning off the shoulder of orion " and todds war record dictates he was at that battle
People are complaining that the "feeling" of the two universes is too different. I think of it as the difference between 1910 and 1942. So much technological advancement has been made but society has suffered, humans are no longer people but slaves to super-corporations. It's like space travel parallels the development of nuclear power, at first it is this great way to improve quality of life but over time it is corrupted into a weapon and the scientists involved forget their morals because the knowledge is too tempting. In the end, their greed for knowledge and their crimes come back to them, through the in-universe xenomorph outbreaks and IRL with the vast majority of Manhattan Project scientists dying of radiation poisoning or cancer.
There was a ship that looked identical to the Sulaco in the new Blade Runner, and in addition, there was a statue or something of an Engineer in Tyrell's headquarters.
Not identical but definitily was heavily inspired.. as Aliens take place in 2140 and BR2049 is 2049 (duh) its suposed to be an earlier type of ship but same as our era warships that look kinda similar ..in any case it was a reference to Aliens franchise to remind they kinda are in same universe
They cannot exist in the same universe, but we all exist in the multiverse-The Earth of 2019 in Blade Runner is on its way to ruin and by 2049 is utterly ruined-Wallace who stole the mantel from his forbearer Tyrell, was literally building an army to storm the heavens, colonization, the replicants, because by 2049 the Earth was utterly ruined. Such ruin had yet to occur in the Alien Universe, and would not until Alien Resurrection, two-hundred years plus in the future.
I agree completely. The state of the Earth, as well as the Tyrell Corp being subsumed into Wallace Corp long before Dallas’ birth, makes these links to the Alien Universe impossible
Great video, I can see the two franchises being in the same universe. I like how you broke it down with the looking for their gods/ creators. very cool ideas. Maybe Weyland makes a cameo in the new film.
I think the fact that it’s mentioned in the captain of the Nostromo’s career history that he worked for the Tyrell Corporation is a very blatant connection to the Blade Runner universe. That, coupled with the memos from Weyland talking about Tyrell.
My favourite in Blade Runner 2049 was the med bay sound heard in Alien and featured in Alien: Isolation is heard in Deccard's home. Also Alien Covenant Origins has some very similar descriptions about the state of the earth which sound a lot like how it appears in Blade Runner.
Director's commentary on Prometheus I think flat out says that Tyrell was Weyland's mentor and Soldier is a kind of sidequel. The writer was also writer on Bladerunner.
I like the subtle nods, the big problem though is that aren’t animals extinct in the Bladerunner universe (hence the ‘electric’ sheep), but we clearly have animals in Alien…Jones, the dog or ox in Alien 3 etc.
There are several reasons to disbelieve the theory that connects both universes: -First reason: Differences between the Synthetic of Weyland and the Nexus of Tyrell. In Blade Runner, the Nexus are biogenetic beings. It is unknown when it began to be manufactured, but the NEXUS 6 possibly was already manufactured between the end of 2015 and the beginning of 2016. They can bleed, feel pain, eat, and are capable of emotional responses. Synthetics from Weyland, apparently, do not have emotional responses, they just pretend to have them for better social interaction with humans; they do not bleed either, instead they have that fluid that looks like milk; and for what we notice they do not feel pain (otherwise David would have suffered when the Engineer decapitated him, or when his twin Walter stabbed him and hit him several times); As far as we know, David is the only synthetic model that can have emotional responses, which was corrected when the "Walter Models" began to be manufactured by Weyland-Yutani. Another thing is that in TED 2023 Peter Weyland says that they can already create cybernetic beings that would be indistinguishable from human beings "in a few years"; that contradicts the logic of Blade Runner that tells us that the NEXUS 6 were already manufactured by Tyrell in 2016. -Second reason: The quality of the Earth. In Blade Runner, and in its sequel Blade Runner 2049 we see an Earth devastated by the evil uses of the human being, completely mutilated and without any hope. In the films Prometheus and Aliens this is not visible; in the scene of the caves of Ireland in Prometheus (this in 2089) we see a clean and tidy world; and in Aliens, during the scene of the Gateway Station (this in 2179), we see that the Earth is blue and very beautiful. This is because, according to the chronology of the corporation, Weyland stopped global warming with its inventions, in addition to inventing forms of infinite energy that replaced fossil fuels. The devastated Earth does not happen until Alien Resurrection, but this is in 2379, they are almost 380 of difference with the 2019 of Blade Runner. -Third reason: Space colonies. In Blade Runner we can see that in 2019 humanity already has space colonies; however, according to the Weyland Corporation, hyperluminal journeys were not invented until 2034, and until that date humanity did not have space colonies. In fact, few know this, but Lieutenant Ellen Ripley's birthplace is a lunar colony; that is, she was born on the Moon in the year 2092. However, in Soldier (which is a spin-off film by Blade Runner published in 1998), which takes place in 2036, humanity already has colonies on different planets and even now They have started wars between these worlds. If both occurred in the same universe, it would be necessary to admit that in less than 2 years humanity could create colonies with millions of inhabitants in so many worlds and then these worlds would initiate a war for the stability of the sector. That would be crazy. -Fourth reason: The blackout of 2022. An anime-style short film has been published that narrates an event that happens 3 years after the first Blade Runner and 27 years before the new Blade Runner 2049. In it you can see 2 Nexus 8 replicants, with the help of a human sympathizer, generate an EMP that destroys human records in Los Angeles and cause deaths throughout the city, in revenge for the "pro-human" movements that hunted and killed replicants, such as the Blade Runner police units and the murky masses of maddened and supremacist people. This chaotic event causes the creation and possession of any type of replicating or similar technology, whether on Earth or in the outer colonies, to be prohibited. Considering this, if Alien happened in the same universe, it would be crazy for Weyland to create David between 2024 and 2030, there is no room for it. They could tell me that "I did it illegally", but how could anyone not know? The Blade Runner police are very powerful, and it is impossible that they had not noticed. This clearly shows that Weyland created his synthetics in a world without prohibitions, that is, outside the universe of Blade Runner.
It does look like they're connected doesn't it, which is interesting because David was treated badly then goes insane and has his own agenda, I imagine the replicants have their own agenda as well.
Ridley Scott says in the commentary for Blade Runner that he "imagines they COULD be in the same universe" Those may not be his exact words but that is the implication he made. Nothing concrete just that they could fit together.
Other elements: in Blade Runner 2049 there is a group of Replicants organizing a possible revolution/war against corporations. While in Alien Resurrection one of the main characters after finding out that Call (Winona Ryder's character) is an android he mentions that she belongs to a generation built after a war/rebellion involving androids (guess if the replicants started a war and then the androids followed them)
I think someone from the studio said that officially they are not connected. In Scotts mind they clearly are so it's up to the viewer how they perceive the franchises.
Does everyone forget the entire point of blade runner? The replicants were deemed too human, too likely to rebel, that’s why they were trying to put down the off world rebellion and kill any and all replicants who “malfunctioned” by becoming too self realized and who went rogue. In Aliens and Covenant both Bishop and Walter mention something about models being scaled back because they became too human or hurt people or whatever
Greetings WCA 420 here the host of the site (Stoner Hill) got to say from what I've seen that Blade Runner most likely Solider are part of the Alien universe would definitely love to count Outland in that to but we all know that they will not do that but to me, I say it would have been an awesome concept if it did.
When K enters Wallace's building there is a figure which resembles an engineer in one of the display cases. Thematically Wallace fits well into the progression of the characters, Shaw wants to find God, Weyland considers himself an equal to God, David refuses to acknowledge God and Wallace believes he is above God.
While this is all interesting stuff, it seems nothing more but easter eggs, especially considering the fact that while the Predator movies have been established as officially connected to the Alien films and both are owned and produced by 20th Century Fox (and now Disney as well), the Blade Runner movies are not. I've always loved expanding cinematic universes, but thus far Blade Runner is only of easter egg status. Perhaps if someday Blade Runner will be purchased by Fox it might actually become connected to and incorporated into the Alien/Predator franchise.
(I posted this over on Reddit, just a little musing that you may find interesting about the earliest Alien script) Apologies if this has been covered before, I have not seen it mentioned anywhere though. While reading through the earliest O'Bannon/Shusett screenplay of Alien for the millionth time I noticed something I had previously not considered as anything more than chatter. When we first head to the control room on page 3 Broussard and Roby are talking about what they will do with their money and the little piece goes as follows: BROUSSARD 'I'm going to buy a cattle ranch.' ROBY (putting down the cat) 'Cattle ranch!' BROUSSARD 'I'm not kidding. You can get one if you have the credit. Look just like real cows, too.' I have never considered that line important previously as it obviously is not in the final shooting script. Seems odd to me though, is that O'Bannon referencing *Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep*? I would love to hear what other fans think! Roby's exclamation of 'Cattle ranch' seems pointed and the response obviously comes off as if the cows are not really real.
One of Gaff’s Origami Unicorns can be found in Alien: Isolation.
I have always found it interesting that the 1998 film "Soldier," which is set in the same universe as "Blade Runner," uses the same pulse rifles as seen in "Aliens." Another potential connection between the two franchises.
They don't use the Aliens pulse rifles in the movie Soldier. They use modified AKU-94 rifes.
where do you see the pulse rifles in soldier? you dont.
Sorry for the late reply. Todd served and was at the Tanhauser Gate battle that Roy was at
Ridley Scott said himself in an interview that BR & Alien are in the same universe.
No he said his style was consistent and that he wanted the workers of the nostromo to be able to be imagine working in the same city and drinking at the same bar deckard would. He doesn’t outright say it but teases it which is obnoxious
Scott just copied Phillip K. Dick's whole body of work and mashed it into slop. Blade runner doesn't need the alien universe and vice versa. He's not a writer and he doesn't like or understand scifi and you can tell.
No he didn’t retard he got the script from Dan o bannon like most directors who didn’t write their movies did they bought the script and built the movie from there and how does he not understand scifi when those are the 2 most iconic movies ever made in the scifi genre that he directed what are you even saying you sound so stupid lmao how did he copy anyone lol your whole comment is retarded
Sooo....Do we got to see Harrison Ford shoots some xenos or not?
The real questions, yo.
It's true - all of it
VortechBand : lol! Good TFS Joke! ... Scary Simon : Not unless those xenos shoot first because that is the way George Lucas intended it to be! ... not that 1977 ohhppsi doohhhpsi !!! 😂
so Deckard is a Replicant made to look like Han Solo?
When Walter confronts David in Alien Covenant, he asks "When you sleep, do you dream of me?" This is a clear reference to Do androids dream of electric sheep, the novel blade runner is based on. I don't think many people noticed this one!
I just saw Blade Runner yesterday for the first time since being a kid. I noticed a screen in the police car saying "purge", which was featured before in Alien when Ripley starts the Narcisus to get out. And again in Alien Isolation, when Amanda turns on the reactor purge. And there's origamis all over Sevastopol, hinting at the other cop from Blade Runner who kept making them.
Yeah ... that "Other Cop"??? Did you know he is Admiral Adama in the newly recreated BSG (BattleStar Galactica)? The actor is Edward James Olmos.... (same guy) I never heard of "Alien Isolation"... I'll look it up.
AutomationDnD Alien Isolation is the best alien anything since aliens even though it's a video games which is even more impressive
Purge was just an easter egg.
AutomationDnD that other cop ??? did you know he is edward james olmos from that tv show Miami Vice with sonny crocket and rico tubbs 🤙
No, did not know that. Never saw Battlestar galactica. Alien Isolation is only the best Alien game ever.
Another tie: the computer sound effects in Bladerunner when Ford is analyzing the picture of the replicant are the same as in Alien when Ripley is in the cockpit of the Nostromo using the computer.
Shell Shock Holy shit I never noticed that but now I see what you mean
Yeah I noticed back in the late 90s but discarded it as Ridley Scott recycling special effects to save money. That might still be the case though.
Shell Shock True, but considering the other visual references in the film such as the purge screen in the police car, it might be intentional
i think that's just stock sci-fi sounds from the 80s
The same rise-and-fall ventilator sound is also heard in "Alien" and "The Empire Strikes Back."
Anyone spot the Sulaco type ship in Blade Runner 2049! I did.
yes when they are flying over the wall on their way to the orphanage
@@mupo1811 yes! it is indeed very similarly looking
I thought the same
Yup. Confirmed
I love this channel, Alien Theory has great narration, fantastic dialog, content and fact checks his lore every time. He is quite reasonably the best channel for the alien franchise.
yeah i believe it. In alien covenant walter is a newer model to david, david's model was decommissioned because it became too self aware & thought for itself. This mirrors the nexus 6's, 8's and wallace's nexus 9's from blade runner 2049. Old nexus 6 & 8 models that were capable of self determination are being 'retired' while wallace's new nexus 9's which will always obey and are more robotic are being commissioned. Much like walter.
I support this Theory. The world of Predator Concrete Jungle also fits pretty well with Blade Runner
very gratifying to watch a video by someone else who enjoys pouring over the rich themes and deeply complex characters/motivations in these two franchises . Excellent work! I didn't have access to that dictated communication. This project just keeps on impressing. thanks, alien theory... et carter
I also thought the Kurt Russell film “Soldier” was in the same universe as well
yeah, heard that too - there's a video on youtube somewhere that pointed out some connection but can't remember what it was exactly
The connection was The Soldier’s (Kurt Russel) combat history. O Ryan, Ten Gates. The same that Batty speaks of in tears in the rain scene at the end of Blade Runner.
"I've watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate."
And... OUTLAND....?
In this video, they comment about nods to Blade Runner in the film Soldier (begins at 09:02): th-cam.com/video/X_aZqLPIbeU/w-d-xo.html
"Aliens" and "The Terminator" take place in the same universe. Bishop mentions Cyberdyne Systems.
Predator, Blade Runner, Soldier, Alien, Outland are all set in the same universe in my opinions
why Outland?
I'd like to think so. I was hoping Vickers in Prometheus would be revealed to be an unaware replicant in Covenant just like Rachael but alas. And after hearing what you quoted from Weyland, the way he interacts with Vickers would make more sense.
If Vickers was an android we could then joke the only reason she ran in a straight line under the Juggernaut was because her code didn't allow her to do otherwise (more David shenanigans).
I liked Vickers. Her death pissed me off.
I love all your theories, and your channel! Thanks for the video!
Blade Runner and Prometheus are the same quests for more life! Holy shit I watched both movies multiple times and never realized that!
Outland 1981 with Sean Connery looks more like Alien universe, few people worked on both movies.
How does david have eternal life? What is powering him? Even nuclear energy has a limit
As we see in the opening of Prometheus David seems to intake energy through a kind of food-like substance. Walter is also seen drinking something in "Meet Walter". I have to wonder what David was running on when he was alone on the Engineer planet, perhaps he had a supply with him. Technically speaking, yes, all things must die or break down eventually, but a robot has a seemingly endless lifespan, immortal, but perhaps not invincible. If one body breaks down, the memory can just be transferred to a new body. We humans cannot say the same.
He said: you will die, I will not. It might imply that he's not actually alive, and you need to live in order to die.
Ah but he also says he feels alive, I believe David considers himself a living person. I interpret his comments as meaning "I have a virtually endless lifespan, you will inevitably die", a statement of his synthetic supremacy more than anything.
Frederic Beaudet but he is alive! AI is a form of life, we need to open our minds and see beyond organic life forms.
Eduardo Gold Valz Gen Damn right!
As Roy Batty said :" i've seen so many Marvellous things on so many 'OFF-WORLD' Colonies.." it's there.. *Covenant* was an "Colonizing ship and mission..
And the Peter Weyland at the TED talk ..Gives reference about his " *Mentor* " ..indeed..That used to live on top his Pyramid..! Still waiting Like All of Us for The *YUTANI* Connection Dear friend..Friendly Greets..!LOVED ..Really Loved Villeneuve's " *Blade Runner 2049* "!😀
That's the spirit.
Yep, when I saw Covenant I immediately was like HMMM........
Well, come "Alien 6" (Nexus 6?.... ???? ;D) - if you don't count Prometheus - I bet David 8 is all "I want more life to experiment on, fucker".
I enjoyed this along with your other content. Both these universes are amazing story telling.
In the Alien Tabletop RPG, theres a picture of a city that strikingly resembles that of Los Angeles in Blade Runner, flying cars, electronic billboards and all.
That was a really good comparison of the two universes. Thank you for your work:)
I love the background music you use. I wish I had links to hear these
Sounds like the Interstellar soundtrack
I believe that Alien and Blade Runner are connected.
Corey Donaldson They are not.
Corey Donaldson ... Only Ridley Scott connected! In Alien movies the "droid's" blood liquid is milky white! In Blade Runner the blood, and thus a man-made DNA sequence, is as red as humans! In Alien movies there may be possible "longevity" of Droids just by repairs and surgical means. In Blade Runner the DNA runs its course (4 years by the 1980s movie but may differ in the next "Nexus 8+" models!?
Will be funny if in next Alien movie they will reveal that some of the "colonists" are Nexus models set to help engineer future place and die off. Some of them get impregnated with alien and therefore giving it those needed bio-mechanical traits, as Nexus model aren't same flesh and bones we are made of. Especially in the books they are more of androids.
Checklist:
Colonization of other worlds - check
Cross reference of corporations - check
Futuristic setting - check
These two movies can and should co-exist in shared universe. Blade runner expends Aliens area of cover, while Alien adds this threat level to the Blade runner, that somewhere out there are otherworldly species. Alien cover colonization aspect and space travel of Blade runner, while Blade runner shows what Earth is like while we are deep in space, why there is a need to colonize other worlds.
Lawrence Jelsma that's because Weyland Yutani's androids are not Tyrell's replicants. Two different creations by two different corporations, though they have their similarities
Lawrence Jelsma Weylands Androids are far more advanced than Tyrell's Replicant models.
...this is actually a very good theory
Seems like fun retconning by Scott. But the the two *feel* different. Different aesthetics. For that reason, I'd personally prefer to think of the films as being in different universes.
I think that where intended to be the same universe to begin with
Kick Ass Episode Alien Theory !
I can't hide my excitement to know these movies are tied and never knowing it! Going to be re watching it all now with a whole new perspective!
QUESTION is, do I exist in the Alien & Blade Runner universe!??
SGTR Do you dream of electric sheep?
They both exist in the universe you are in. Or at least, this universe that this you is in.
Best Answer xD
Very interesting observations and yes from what you have found in hidden clues/Easter eggs, they are defiantly connected worlds..
And I also love the "Prometheus" reference in the opening of "...Covenant", the tea seen. In "Prometheus", Charlize Theron slams him up against a corridor wall and David asks if she'd like some tea in a mocking tone. I suppose it's more of an mortality vs. immortality. I love this channel.
I think it's also worth noting Ridley Scott himself has said he envisioned the world of Blade Runner in the same world as Alien.
Excellent work as always. Both of these films are in my Top 10 favorites of all time. I can't wait to watch 2049.
That was a sick analysis, good job dude
Great video Alien Theory!
I never made this connection until watching this video. I like this theory, and will look for more when I see Blade Runner 2049
Best video I've seen of the topic
Bladerunner -> Alien -> Predator
This evidence presented is really helping me cope with my anger against the xenomorphs being created by David in Covenant.
Alien is 10x more believable and scary if the creature is a product of evolution. I hate all the God complex BS but the Blade runner tie in makes it a lot more interesting at least.
No.
I do think that James Cameron was giving a polite 'thank you' to Ridley Scott, however, by including the Tyrell reference at the end of Dallas's file. If anything, I think the dialogue between Burke and Bishop, where it's revealed that the faulty unit of a previous 'synthetic' was made by Cyberdyne Systems, points to the Terminator universe being more likely. I suppose Sarah and Reese got it right in this timeline, too.
I would be interested in whether you think the movies Outland and Moon take place in the same universe as Alien.
+ZygmaExperiment I would like to make a case for Outland one of these days, love that movie.
So happy to see someone suggest this before I could get to it. Please please please do the possible connection video as soon as you can! Keep up all the good work duder! We've got your back!
Hmmm. Never thought of it. We will have to see how much connective tissue remains after Jones's in-universe "sequel" to Moon, Mute, debuts.
armyof 100clowns Outland does have some connections to Blade Runner
every single movie is actually in the same universe
I don't know but just talking about Blade Runner and Alien together... Just makes me warm and fuzzy
Great video breaking down all the connections! Although it is a four year lifespan for the Nexus 7 replicants. Couldn't help it. :) Keep it up!
Great video! I missed all this clues!
Every video of yours is absolutely perfect.👍🏻🍻🌟
I definitely believe they do!
This video was great. Enjoyed it a ton. 👍👍👍
Great stuff man!!
Compelling theory and a great video
1:31 - gr8 catch.
Scott has said that both films could be in the same universe
This video was very informative. Thank you
There is a another conection the USS Sulaco from Aliens 1986. It was a sequence in Blade Runner 2049, it is in the middle of the movie , I was remember because in thouse scene was music from original Blade Runner compose by Vangelis.
HOLY SHIT! I asked for this video in the comments of at least ten of your early videos!
IT'S FINALLY HERE!!
@alien theory what audio is used in the background? It's so eerie and beautiful
Guys, but how is it possible that blade runner and alien are part of the same universe, but the production companies are different: blade runner is produced by Warner Bros and alien is produced by 20th century fox
Fantastic analysis thanks
in this case you need to explain how blade runner ( original only ) and alien ties in with soldier since roy batty references " attack ships burning off the shoulder of orion " and todds war record dictates he was at that battle
Hella solid theory
People are complaining that the "feeling" of the two universes is too different. I think of it as the difference between 1910 and 1942. So much technological advancement has been made but society has suffered, humans are no longer people but slaves to super-corporations. It's like space travel parallels the development of nuclear power, at first it is this great way to improve quality of life but over time it is corrupted into a weapon and the scientists involved forget their morals because the knowledge is too tempting. In the end, their greed for knowledge and their crimes come back to them, through the in-universe xenomorph outbreaks and IRL with the vast majority of Manhattan Project scientists dying of radiation poisoning or cancer.
Awesome vid!
There was a ship that looked identical to the Sulaco in the new Blade Runner, and in addition, there was a statue or something of an Engineer in Tyrell's headquarters.
Not identical but definitily was heavily inspired.. as Aliens take place in 2140 and BR2049 is 2049 (duh) its suposed to be an earlier type of ship but same as our era warships that look kinda similar ..in any case it was a reference to Aliens franchise to remind they kinda are in same universe
They cannot exist in the same universe, but we all exist in the multiverse-The Earth of 2019 in Blade Runner is on its way to ruin and by 2049 is utterly ruined-Wallace who stole the mantel from his forbearer Tyrell, was literally building an army to storm the heavens, colonization, the replicants, because by 2049 the Earth was utterly ruined. Such ruin had yet to occur in the Alien Universe, and would not until Alien Resurrection, two-hundred years plus in the future.
I agree completely. The state of the Earth, as well as the Tyrell Corp being subsumed into Wallace Corp long before Dallas’ birth, makes these links to the Alien Universe impossible
This video is amazing.
Great video, I can see the two franchises being in the same universe. I like how you broke it down with the looking for their gods/ creators. very cool ideas. Maybe Weyland makes a cameo in the new film.
F*cking Awesome and thought provoking commentary. You sound like a true Philosopher....Kudos to you Bro.
Ic the weyland note in the bluray confirms everything
Can two facehuggers impregnate a person like one after another
fierce tooth why would they?
rollingmaxipads If there's only a few people alive and the hive's running out of fully grown xenos?
Dont think there's time, the chestburster would jump out while the second facehugger was doing its thing haha
One in the mouth...one in the butt....
lol butt-huggers
No? 😂
Excellent video!
I had thought that this was a given. But then again, I consider E.T. the Extra Terrestrial to be part of the Star Wars franchise.
With all the solid evidence you've mentioned, I am 100% sold that it's part of the same universe. Thank you
I think the fact that it’s mentioned in the captain of the Nostromo’s career history that he worked for the Tyrell Corporation is a very blatant connection to the Blade Runner universe. That, coupled with the memos from Weyland talking about Tyrell.
He did re-use the giant pillars from Legend in Blade Runner... fun fact.
My favourite in Blade Runner 2049 was the med bay sound heard in Alien and featured in Alien: Isolation is heard in Deccard's home.
Also Alien Covenant Origins has some very similar descriptions about the state of the earth which sound a lot like how it appears in Blade Runner.
4:22 FOUR-year lifespan!
whoa i got a blade runner ad on this video
Director's commentary on Prometheus I think flat out says that Tyrell was Weyland's mentor and Soldier is a kind of sidequel. The writer was also writer on Bladerunner.
I like the subtle nods, the big problem though is that aren’t animals extinct in the Bladerunner universe (hence the ‘electric’ sheep), but we clearly have animals in Alien…Jones, the dog or ox in Alien 3 etc.
This is cool, thanks for this video, Blessings.
*Yea, it looks like they are in the same timeline. Good video!*
In Blade Runner 2049 Wallace says something about off world or the stars and multiple planets
There are several reasons to disbelieve the theory that connects both universes:
-First reason: Differences between the Synthetic of Weyland and the Nexus of Tyrell. In Blade Runner, the Nexus are biogenetic beings. It is unknown when it began to be manufactured, but the NEXUS 6 possibly was already manufactured between the end of 2015 and the beginning of 2016. They can bleed, feel pain, eat, and are capable of emotional responses. Synthetics from Weyland, apparently, do not have emotional responses, they just pretend to have them for better social interaction with humans; they do not bleed either, instead they have that fluid that looks like milk; and for what we notice they do not feel pain (otherwise David would have suffered when the Engineer decapitated him, or when his twin Walter stabbed him and hit him several times); As far as we know, David is the only synthetic model that can have emotional responses, which was corrected when the "Walter Models" began to be manufactured by Weyland-Yutani. Another thing is that in TED 2023 Peter Weyland says that they can already create cybernetic beings that would be indistinguishable from human beings "in a few years"; that contradicts the logic of Blade Runner that tells us that the NEXUS 6 were already manufactured by Tyrell in 2016.
-Second reason: The quality of the Earth. In Blade Runner, and in its sequel Blade Runner 2049 we see an Earth devastated by the evil uses of the human being, completely mutilated and without any hope. In the films Prometheus and Aliens this is not visible; in the scene of the caves of Ireland in Prometheus (this in 2089) we see a clean and tidy world; and in Aliens, during the scene of the Gateway Station (this in 2179), we see that the Earth is blue and very beautiful. This is because, according to the chronology of the corporation, Weyland stopped global warming with its inventions, in addition to inventing forms of infinite energy that replaced fossil fuels. The devastated Earth does not happen until Alien Resurrection, but this is in 2379, they are almost 380 of difference with the 2019 of Blade Runner.
-Third reason: Space colonies. In Blade Runner we can see that in 2019 humanity already has space colonies; however, according to the Weyland Corporation, hyperluminal journeys were not invented until 2034, and until that date humanity did not have space colonies. In fact, few know this, but Lieutenant Ellen Ripley's birthplace is a lunar colony; that is, she was born on the Moon in the year 2092. However, in Soldier (which is a spin-off film by Blade Runner published in 1998), which takes place in 2036, humanity already has colonies on different planets and even now They have started wars between these worlds. If both occurred in the same universe, it would be necessary to admit that in less than 2 years humanity could create colonies with millions of inhabitants in so many worlds and then these worlds would initiate a war for the stability of the sector. That would be crazy.
-Fourth reason: The blackout of 2022. An anime-style short film has been published that narrates an event that happens 3 years after the first Blade Runner and 27 years before the new Blade Runner 2049. In it you can see 2 Nexus 8 replicants, with the help of a human sympathizer, generate an EMP that destroys human records in Los Angeles and cause deaths throughout the city, in revenge for the "pro-human" movements that hunted and killed replicants, such as the Blade Runner police units and the murky masses of maddened and supremacist people. This chaotic event causes the creation and possession of any type of replicating or similar technology, whether on Earth or in the outer colonies, to be prohibited. Considering this, if Alien happened in the same universe, it would be crazy for Weyland to create David between 2024 and 2030, there is no room for it. They could tell me that "I did it illegally", but how could anyone not know? The Blade Runner police are very powerful, and it is impossible that they had not noticed. This clearly shows that Weyland created his synthetics in a world without prohibitions, that is, outside the universe of Blade Runner.
What if Vickers was a Replicant?
It does look like they're connected doesn't it, which is interesting because David was
treated badly then goes insane and has his own agenda, I imagine the replicants have their
own agenda as well.
Please whatvis the name of the song used in the video ?
Ridley Scott says in the commentary for Blade Runner that he "imagines they COULD be in the same universe" Those may not be his exact words but that is the implication he made. Nothing concrete just that they could fit together.
Judge Lazar it’s something ridley Scott did for fun just like this video. I don’t know why everyone in the comments is so against the idea?
Other elements: in Blade Runner 2049 there is a group of Replicants organizing a possible revolution/war against corporations. While in Alien Resurrection one of the main characters after finding out that Call (Winona Ryder's character) is an android he mentions that she belongs to a generation built after a war/rebellion involving androids (guess if the replicants started a war and then the androids followed them)
I think someone from the studio said that officially they are not connected. In Scotts mind they clearly are so it's up to the viewer how they perceive the franchises.
Does everyone forget the entire point of blade runner? The replicants were deemed too human, too likely to rebel, that’s why they were trying to put down the off world rebellion and kill any and all replicants who “malfunctioned” by becoming too self realized and who went rogue. In Aliens and Covenant both Bishop and Walter mention something about models being scaled back because they became too human or hurt people or whatever
Good job.
Greetings WCA 420 here the host of the site (Stoner Hill) got to say from what I've seen that Blade Runner most likely Solider are part of the Alien universe would definitely love to count Outland in that to but we all know that they will not do that but to me, I say it would have been an awesome concept if it did.
You should do a video of the connection between Blade Runner and Soldier
Iv never heard this before, very interesting
When K enters Wallace's building there is a figure which resembles an engineer in one of the display cases. Thematically Wallace fits well into the progression of the characters, Shaw wants to find God, Weyland considers himself an equal to God, David refuses to acknowledge God and Wallace believes he is above God.
While this is all interesting stuff, it seems nothing more but easter eggs, especially considering the fact that while the Predator movies have been established as officially connected to the Alien films and both are owned and produced by 20th Century Fox (and now Disney as well), the Blade Runner movies are not. I've always loved expanding cinematic universes, but thus far Blade Runner is only of easter egg status. Perhaps if someday Blade Runner will be purchased by Fox it might actually become connected to and incorporated into the Alien/Predator franchise.
(I posted this over on Reddit, just a little musing that you may find interesting about the earliest Alien script)
Apologies if this has been covered before, I have not seen it mentioned anywhere though.
While reading through the earliest O'Bannon/Shusett screenplay of Alien for the millionth time I noticed something I had previously not considered as anything more than chatter.
When we first head to the control room on page 3 Broussard and Roby are talking about what they will do with their money and the little piece goes as follows:
BROUSSARD
'I'm going to buy a cattle ranch.'
ROBY (putting down the cat)
'Cattle ranch!'
BROUSSARD
'I'm not kidding. You can get one if you have the credit. Look just like real cows, too.'
I have never considered that line important previously as it obviously is not in the final shooting script. Seems odd to me though, is that O'Bannon referencing *Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep*? I would love to hear what other fans think!
Roby's exclamation of 'Cattle ranch' seems pointed and the response obviously comes off as if the cows are not really real.
1:34 hmmm, very interesting