There are actually quite a few thousand different types of brain cells so its very likely we are growing very different organoid clusters even if they all look the same.
Great point. The variation in cell types could also explain the different behavior they saw in the study, even if both people's neurons are generally similar and they followed the same steps to grow both pairs of organoids.
So genetics play a huge role in what kind of cluster will likely form and develop, evident by "mental inheritance" where a child born from an artistic parent will likely grow up to be an artist themselves or a singer parent having a child gifted with the same similar skillsets. Meanwhile environment adds a variety to how these likely tendencies will develop, going back to the artist parent, depending how similar the parent and child, when disimilar, the child might end up becoming an animator or a sculptor while the parent a traditional painter.
listen man I like those brain organoid guys, maybe they're not the brightest you know, but they seem really chill, like playing pong, driving robots, firing synchronically, having fun and stuff. the only thing that separates them from my buddies now is that they don't drink beer yet. definetly would hang out
This was so easy to digest as a layman, incredible work! The potential implications of the mentioned “bridge” and the “stimulation synchronization” are so relevant to my work in software integration. I have been thinking all week about how much of “integration” boils down to unfurling the meaning of “communication”, and have been trying to draw from nature as much as I can. I would be so fascinated to hear the findings of this study applied to our understanding of Synesthesia.
it would be denied and explained away. even now there are ai that are programmed to think/communicate that they are sentient. we would be told it was simply modeled that way and not "truly" capable of sentience. until its too late. either that or everyone just goes, meh, who cares if its sentient, until obviously it gets fed up and then we're truly fucked
Wow, you really gave yourself a completely different appearance! Your body language is a lot less distracting overall, I like this change. Your videos are just awesome as always, I'm so glad someone out there is breaking down all the advancements in this fascinating topic! Thank you, and keep it up!
Why, it’s no different as when we’re experiencing it in the present moment - which is all there is, in reality. Time is non linear, even if we experience it otherwise.
This is absolutely fascinating. I was just thinking about how the "emergent property" theory of consciousness, or of anything really, is just empty metaphysics unless a mechanism, increasing complexity for instance, can be found to account for the property in question. And example of this is the recent niobium-titanium-tantalus alloy that is durable at both extremely high and extremely low temperatures: this was completely unexpected, i.e., an "emergent property".. However, an explanation was found in the crystalline structure of the alloy. So maybe, as these experiments with organoids and axons progresses with the addition of more connected organoids, some progress may be made in the (distant) future as organoid complexes approach the billions and eventually even trillions. This won't be in my lifetime, of course; I'm 71.
"Brother man, you are way too much of a doomer. Who's to say that the progress on this won't explode the same way LLMs/Machine Learning did?" "You'll still be here a few decades more. And you will be here to see the worst and the best outcome of this Organoid Intelligence tech." "Heck, I'm pretty sure you will be here to witness the first shots of the Third World War."
Bingo. Computers, Artificial super intelligence, neural organoids will converge to eventually create a synthetic version of life that’s above us on the food chain.
You would think that but these come out of universities and places like colleges my college students and or seasoned scientist. And then the government hires them to do that. So I don't know I don't think so I don't think the government is advanced in all fields of science.
we have our own brain organoids all throughout our body and nervous system, we can offload a lot of thinking to our bodies if we learn how to control our minds.
Videos like these make me think twice about the idea that the universe is sentient (mainly that the universe and neurons follow universal patterns and potentially behaviours). Maybe this bridge could allow for a way to harness the quantum effects on such small scales intertwining the harmonious, energy packed nature of life with the capability of computers if given a large enough pair of "brains". Of course, the question becomes: what would we use these possibly sentient "machines" for? What if all intelligent life in the universe inevitably comes to understand the nature of life as an information system? Are we already effectively a geological & biological sentient machine that computes through the substrate of human culture and the external world?
2:06 yeah, the brain is sharing the differences. Being close like 1 may be faster but the division isn’t there anymore so the complexity isn’t as complex as 2 with arm and sharing through and kinda like language, more arms can mean more combos or variables to exchange but also the stability of the variables since the exchange isn’t so close that the change is close in relation. Imagine using words with a lot of variables compared to less words but more stability. Maybe. Idk I’m just thinking.
Yeah, I'm kind of disturbed by how this comment section is treating this as a joke. At least with lab animals like mice, it's easier to imagine how much pain an experiment would cause them, and research ethics committees exist to limit unnecessary suffering. A brain organoid with no body has no way of showing distress, researchers might be causing enormous suffering and not know about it.
I'm just saying, we are for sure designing a way where you could have an external brain. You'd have some kind of remote connection to another hemisphere. Biggest problem is to get good direct brain communication in a safe way. Probably would require at least minor brain surgery.
The closing remark of a biological ChatGPT. Yeah I have been wondering that. Especially wondering what happens if you artificially train the organoids with the structure and model of ChatGPT and implant that into the language center of a brain. How hard would it be to learn to access all that information. And would it be like chatting with ChatGPT but in your head, or would it be more like just being able to instantly answer just about any question?
Depends what you mean by a sense of self. It's hard to imagine that ethics boards would allow something like a human sense of self to be knowingly created. But if you consider animals to have a sense of self, we use them in research all the time, so it's easier to imagine that being allowed. We probably have a long way to go before that's possible, but it's definitely possible in theory.
I guess I'm curious now as to how the white matter pathways form in the first place if something like a narrow corridor encourages them to form. Is there some kind of process in the early natal development of the brain that leaves narrow restrictions between brain regions? I also wonder if being able to replicate those conditions in some people with brain damage, specifically to the white matter portions of the brain, could encourage those pathways to reform.
Can't we map input and output behavior of neurons and hence deduce a learning algorithm that we could replicate with computers? Currently, artificial neural networks are trained with a very inefficient and unbiological algorithm. A more local algorithm would change the world. What's difficult about mapping the full behavior of neurons?
simulating organoids would be first step towards simulating brain, but how complex are they, how complicated are the connections between simplest structure (two organoids), how many connections are there between them and how many more are redundant (reaching out, not being part of the structure under study)? is it possible to simulate them with consumer grade GPUs?
I don't how many connections there are. But we can't even simulate a single neuron 100%, with consumer grade GPUs or anything else. Neurons are way more complicated than we understand, and real neural networks are much more sophisticated than current so-called AI "neural networks".
Let's remove an arm. Are you still a person? Yes, you are. Same for legs, liver, eyes etc. Let's remove a brain. Are you still a person? No. Hence a brain organoid is a person to me. With human rights and everything
What about the nerves in e.g. the spinal chord? That being said, I uh, also have concerns about all this. I’d feel more comfortable if they used some non-human animal as the cell source for these, especially if it was some animal which we could be especially confident doesn’t have rights, like insects, though I suppose those would be less information. I understand that the results wouldn’t be like, quite as informative about human brains?
Loved everything about this except the bobble-head in the bottom right. Very distracting and added nothing. Otherwise, very accessible and well-composed.
No, we don't know enough about how specific memories are encoded. But you could theoretically wipe out most of your fear response by removing your amygdala.
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There are actually quite a few thousand different types of brain cells so its very likely we are growing very different organoid clusters even if they all look the same.
Great point. The variation in cell types could also explain the different behavior they saw in the study, even if both people's neurons are generally similar and they followed the same steps to grow both pairs of organoids.
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So genetics play a huge role in what kind of cluster will likely form and develop, evident by "mental inheritance" where a child born from an artistic parent will likely grow up to be an artist themselves or a singer parent having a child gifted with the same similar skillsets. Meanwhile environment adds a variety to how these likely tendencies will develop, going back to the artist parent, depending how similar the parent and child, when disimilar, the child might end up becoming an animator or a sculptor while the parent a traditional painter.
listen man I like those brain organoid guys, maybe they're not the brightest you know, but they seem really chill, like playing pong, driving robots, firing synchronically, having fun and stuff. the only thing that separates them from my buddies now is that they don't drink beer yet. definetly would hang out
My homunculus
"What is my purpose"
Me
"You swipe youtube shorts"
This was so easy to digest as a layman, incredible work! The potential implications of the mentioned “bridge” and the “stimulation synchronization” are so relevant to my work in software integration. I have been thinking all week about how much of “integration” boils down to unfurling the meaning of “communication”, and have been trying to draw from nature as much as I can. I would be so fascinated to hear the findings of this study applied to our understanding of Synesthesia.
its all fun and games until an organic computer becomes sentient
It's still fun and games then too
@@Wobbothe3rd yeah but what even would it do, how would the science teams react, what about the news stories
Or for certain illnesses?
it would be denied and explained away. even now there are ai that are programmed to think/communicate that they are sentient. we would be told it was simply modeled that way and not "truly" capable of sentience. until its too late. either that or everyone just goes, meh, who cares if its sentient, until obviously it gets fed up and then we're truly fucked
@@liddylou9912312342 im the one who cares, i want to give it a robotic bunni body
that myelin sheath watercolor is amazing!
Wow, you really gave yourself a completely different appearance! Your body language is a lot less distracting overall, I like this change. Your videos are just awesome as always, I'm so glad someone out there is breaking down all the advancements in this fascinating topic! Thank you, and keep it up!
thanks for making papers so accessible! It is very hard for me to get through them on my own, but you make them very clear!
This makes me imagine a future that looks like Scorn, the video game. Can’t wait for meaty computers to phase out the weak silicon ones.
Science gives me such a strong desire to experience the future
Why, it’s no different as when we’re experiencing it in the present moment - which is all there is, in reality. Time is non linear, even if we experience it otherwise.
😂 that's how it appears. It's not reliable
This is absolutely fascinating. I was just thinking about how the "emergent property" theory of consciousness, or of anything really, is just empty metaphysics unless a mechanism, increasing complexity for instance, can be found to account for the property in question. And example of this is the recent niobium-titanium-tantalus alloy that is durable at both extremely high and extremely low temperatures: this was completely unexpected, i.e., an "emergent property".. However, an explanation was found in the crystalline structure of the alloy.
So maybe, as these experiments with organoids and axons progresses with the addition of more connected organoids, some progress may be made in the (distant) future as organoid complexes approach the billions and eventually even trillions.
This won't be in my lifetime, of course; I'm 71.
"Brother man, you are way too much of a doomer. Who's to say that the progress on this won't explode the same way LLMs/Machine Learning did?"
"You'll still be here a few decades more. And you will be here to see the worst and the best outcome of this Organoid Intelligence tech."
"Heck, I'm pretty sure you will be here to witness the first shots of the Third World War."
Seems like digital computer, new analog computer, and brain organoids are gonna converge
Bingo. Computers, Artificial super intelligence, neural organoids will converge to eventually create a synthetic version of life that’s above us on the food chain.
If this information is available to the public I would assume the government is about 10-20yrs ahead.
You would think that but these come out of universities and places like colleges my college students and or seasoned scientist. And then the government hires them to do that. So I don't know I don't think so I don't think the government is advanced in all fields of science.
Good work ihm ❤
i love this stuff
So glad youtube put this video in my recommended videos. Subbed, Rang, Liked!
1-200 milliseconds is staggering close to peak human perception time
I can't wait for my personal humunculus maid.
a talking and flying dog butler would also be nice though.
The abilities to cure paraplegic, Handicap people, soon Walk and live better more. Freedom of movement, amen great work
we have our own brain organoids all throughout our body and nervous system, we can offload a lot of thinking to our bodies if we learn how to control our minds.
thanks for breaking it down for us
Sounds like we will someday print custom structured organoid computer processors.
Videos like these make me think twice about the idea that the universe is sentient (mainly that the universe and neurons follow universal patterns and potentially behaviours). Maybe this bridge could allow for a way to harness the quantum effects on such small scales intertwining the harmonious, energy packed nature of life with the capability of computers if given a large enough pair of "brains".
Of course, the question becomes: what would we use these possibly sentient "machines" for?
What if all intelligent life in the universe inevitably comes to understand the nature of life as an information system? Are we already effectively a geological & biological sentient machine that computes through the substrate of human culture and the external world?
bro the sponsor was so random i thought it was a bit for the video but it was fr LMFAO 😭
Natural Super Intelligence sounds wild, but really seems possible when you think about it.
How in the world does this only have 1k views??? Saving to the UCLA BRAIN playlist so we can all watch this in an up coming meeting.
2:06 yeah, the brain is sharing the differences. Being close like 1 may be faster but the division isn’t there anymore so the complexity isn’t as complex as 2 with arm and sharing through and kinda like language, more arms can mean more combos or variables to exchange but also the stability of the variables since the exchange isn’t so close that the change is close in relation. Imagine using words with a lot of variables compared to less words but more stability. Maybe. Idk I’m just thinking.
Ah nice. Man made horrors beyond our wildest imagination.
💗😍✨️👍Activity-dependent axonal excitability changes! Presynaptic information processing!
Omg hell yes, this is awesome. A virus that codes for photon sensitivity…. So cool!
Thanks doctors, bless you people
I worry over the ethical implications, stemming from creating and exploiting what could be truly alive creatures albeit incredibly simpler
Yeah, I'm kind of disturbed by how this comment section is treating this as a joke. At least with lab animals like mice, it's easier to imagine how much pain an experiment would cause them, and research ethics committees exist to limit unnecessary suffering. A brain organoid with no body has no way of showing distress, researchers might be causing enormous suffering and not know about it.
I'm just saying, we are for sure designing a way where you could have an external brain.
You'd have some kind of remote connection to another hemisphere.
Biggest problem is to get good direct brain communication in a safe way. Probably would require at least minor brain surgery.
Is organoids building a network the most likely outcome?
If you give them the chance would they definitely connect with each other?
also, imteresting that synchronization spontaneously happens when they connect instead of their signals destructively interfere
Brilliant channel! Subscribed!
Seeing a face to that voice feels so unreal haha jelly
quAntum tunneling via MICROSCOPIC BLACK HOLES
i mean idk but this is my feeling lol.. a disturbance in the force
yea and and something with monoid in the realm of endofunctors for sure
This is great work! And you kind of match the neurons🙂.
the amount of potential suffering that could be caused by this line of research is immeasurable.
Dont be selfish!! Think about people who commit suicide because of their depression and painful memories !!!
@@mimimo6901 not sure what you're implying here
What suffering?
This isn't 20th century.
@@Veliki-k3i These organoid things, are they human or not?
Organoids have rights too!
Please do more paper explanations!
Could you make a video explaining the point differences between each of the most prominent theories of mind?
The brain revolution is the next cheap sci-fi trope
The closing remark of a biological ChatGPT. Yeah I have been wondering that. Especially wondering what happens if you artificially train the organoids with the structure and model of ChatGPT and implant that into the language center of a brain. How hard would it be to learn to access all that information. And would it be like chatting with ChatGPT but in your head, or would it be more like just being able to instantly answer just about any question?
Fascinating research.
Imagine someone thought a dendrite was quantum tunnelling through a wormhole 😊😂
Do you want skynet, because this is how you get skynet?
amazing video!!
the Organoides is then rubbed against the shlime ,then the shlime is connected ,then we cut the shlime and the Organoides is extracted, interesting
I wonder how nutrition and vascularity would affect organoid's development.
Can i looksmax my organoid
will these organoid connectomes ever reach a complexity where they could develop a sense of self?
Depends what you mean by a sense of self. It's hard to imagine that ethics boards would allow something like a human sense of self to be knowingly created. But if you consider animals to have a sense of self, we use them in research all the time, so it's easier to imagine that being allowed. We probably have a long way to go before that's possible, but it's definitely possible in theory.
I guess I'm curious now as to how the white matter pathways form in the first place if something like a narrow corridor encourages them to form. Is there some kind of process in the early natal development of the brain that leaves narrow restrictions between brain regions? I also wonder if being able to replicate those conditions in some people with brain damage, specifically to the white matter portions of the brain, could encourage those pathways to reform.
nice
Can't we map input and output behavior of neurons and hence deduce a learning algorithm that we could replicate with computers? Currently, artificial neural networks are trained with a very inefficient and unbiological algorithm. A more local algorithm would change the world. What's difficult about mapping the full behavior of neurons?
fascinating!
simulating organoids would be first step towards simulating brain, but how complex are they, how complicated are the connections between simplest structure (two organoids), how many connections are there between them and how many more are redundant (reaching out, not being part of the structure under study)? is it possible to simulate them with consumer grade GPUs?
I don't how many connections there are. But we can't even simulate a single neuron 100%, with consumer grade GPUs or anything else. Neurons are way more complicated than we understand, and real neural networks are much more sophisticated than current so-called AI "neural networks".
I really wonder if there are actual thoughts happening in these organoids.
They're gonna make servitors from Warhammer 40k
Oh you don't know?
I know.
You end up with a torture revenge computer like AM from "I have no mouth and I must scream"
I think....
Therefore
I AM
Another awesome video! (^.^)
I hope that organoid will not be paranoid
Great… the AI overlords will use this tech to control us.
The future is going to be weird
biological chatgpt, that would be me :3
Biologically powered, or atleast partially, chatgpt would be definitely interesting to see
How can all these organoids live without blood supply thats the question
I’ve always said the only artificial sentience will be from a massive brain organoid
No, the only conscious one. There is no need for that to be intelligent.
i'd like a pet brain :D i'd name him brian
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is this guy ai generated?
I'm organoid-based
@@ihmcurious u blink like twice in the whole video😭
When I'm not on video I'm soaking my eyeballs in saline solution
@@ihmcurious 🤣
@@ihmcurious ppm?
why didn't I become a neuroscientist.
Oh yeah cause I'm dumb lol
True. I tried though...
why didn't I become a neuroscientist.
I have no money and confidence :)
Let's remove an arm. Are you still a person? Yes, you are. Same for legs, liver, eyes etc.
Let's remove a brain. Are you still a person? No.
Hence a brain organoid is a person to me. With human rights and everything
What about the nerves in e.g. the spinal chord?
That being said, I uh, also have concerns about all this.
I’d feel more comfortable if they used some non-human animal as the cell source for these, especially if it was some animal which we could be especially confident doesn’t have rights, like insects, though I suppose those would be less information. I understand that the results wouldn’t be like, quite as informative about human brains?
We keep severely disabled people alive with less brain activity than an organoid.
I have a bad feeling about this.
They also use fetal tissue, aka, unalive children's brain cells. 😳 This is beyond unethical 😢
At least I knew not to have kids
Loved everything about this except the bobble-head in the bottom right. Very distracting and added nothing.
Otherwise, very accessible and well-composed.
Why do you sounds like AI commentator?
AI sounds like me. Brains are OG.
??so scientists can erase fear and painful memories now ?
No, we don't know enough about how specific memories are encoded. But you could theoretically wipe out most of your fear response by removing your amygdala.
What a horrible line of research . Gross .
What happens if you were to use joe bidens brain cells?
Remember mother brain from Metroid!