True it was pretty dusty Lindsay! Can confirm that the air filter access is done without removing the tank. Seat off with key, then the intake is located under the rear of the tank. I think it was 4 bolts.
Good review. I love the Philippines. Wish I were there. Really interested in that bike. Seems to be perfect for my wants and needs. Can't get to the U.S. soon enough for me.
I really had high hopes for this motorcycle, i was looking for something lighter than my tuareg that would be comfortable on road to get to the off road stuff i ride. Being this will be 195kg ish wet its so close on weight to the tuareg that its probably not worth it. I should keep my tuareg.
If you already have a Tuareg - keep it. The MT is not the enduro-rally bike you (and me and lots of others!) are looking for. I was out on my Tuareg again this morning and it was bliss. Aprilia do have a 457cc twin tho... you'd have to think that something will be forthcoming there... fingers crossed.
@@Vicko026 thanks for the reply, yes I love my Tuareg! Funny you mention that, I've been wondering if Aprilia will make a mini tuareg with that new 457cc twin and will that be the unicorn we are waiting for? Hopefully 380 ish pounds wet like the KTM 390?? 🤞
Definitely keep the Tuareg. As much as we always want that new thing that will be more capable. The best way to make your bike more capable is to make you more capable by practicing and taking courses.
You should definitely try the Kove 450 Rally. I own one and I had a T7, it is a mini T7 very rideable on road but a beast offroad. And 150kg. I have a V85TT for the road so maybe not objective but give it a try you might be surprised. I tried the Tuareg and loved it but bought the v85tt for the comfort
Love how the dude is just standing in your way at the end..lol Now just need to swing a leg over one and see how it fits as i am 6'3" and found my old Dl1000 odley cramped the way it made my knees bend. Didn't have the problem on ANY of the duel sport bikes I have owned. also wonder how the suspension is for larger riders... recently Had a KLX 300 and the suspension was too soft. tank was also waaaay to small...
Thanks for this extended review. Did you find your knees hitting the upper crash bar attachment sleeves? How tall are you? Cheers! Edit: when you hit the front brake at a certain point it squealed. I’ve noticed another reviewer saying the same thing & could hear it. This happened in another country. I wonder if the rotor buttons are extremely dirty or the pads are way too hard for longevity 🤔 Did you notice this squeaky on other bikes within the group?
My knees didn’t hit anything no. I’m 181cm (just under 6ft). I did notice the brakes squeal pretty much only that once. I’d say they’d just got a bit dust glazed in that slow speed dust bowl that was the adv park. Once out and going again I didn’t notice them squeal anymore.
Not really comparable Oz. The Tuareg is the benchmark small-mid size Adventure bike with all the bells and whistles. Price reflects that. Twice the power. Astonishing handling out of the box, adjustable TC on the fly etc etc. The MT is a no frills entry level 40 hp bike. Awesome value for money.
having owned a KLR and an XR650 I can say the Klr could not have been ridden like that without significant effort! The Xr wouldn't have had any problems.. On road the XR kind of sucks though..
Hahaha - I couldn't get that damn video of the little girl and the bear outta my head Ben. If you havent seen it, search 'can I pet that dog'.. you're welcome :)
Comes with a reasonably sturdy bashplate. You can opt for additional crash bars too. Decent ground clrearance at 200 mm , but just be conscious that its not an enduro/trail bike... If you intend on getting really gnarly with it, plan accordingly :)
Do you think if they had of put maybe a 550-650ish cc engine in at between 50-60hp and kept it under 200kg wet, this would be the almost perfect combination ???
I think if they'd done that even more people would complain about the weight and it being down on power compared to the Tenere and Tuareg similar weight...
@@sdavis4349 I think it’s smart that they’ve moved into a different segment than the 600ish space. There is really no direct competitor for a twin cylinder bike like this, so they have a unique offering for at least a little while… Let’s face it they could have done a lot of other things and then we’d still be asking ‘what if’ questions :)
you mean like the cf moto 650 mt that they've had for 5 years ? My buddy here in the Philippines has a 2019 - more than capable on our rides on all sort of roads and tracks. But can be heavy to get upright if it goes down on a rough track. The 450MT is next to look into if they ever get stock here....
Seat height is great for on road as it is, makes it corner very nicely. It's not a big deal, the taller seat option would improve standing position more than enough. And you could opt for risers too if you wanted further height.
@@Vicko026 thanks for answering. After looking closely, i saw the FOX logo on the googles strap. But damn! How could you figure out that it was the Airoh just from the shape of it man.
11:00 That was a very deep crack and an unfortunately placed loose rock, I wouldn't blame the driver, the road is always 3x worse than what the GoPros can capture.
I'm aware of that mate - if you've seen footage of traffic in Manilla you'd understand the comment. Road rules are more.. rough guidelines in the Philippines :)
@@Vicko026 Haha, I'm an expat retiree here in the Philippines, you get used to that after a while here and when visiting back to the US you feel like everyone's such a p*ssy for keeping distance and staying in lane, haha.
@Matthew-wn8oq are u serious? we are talking about Chinese bikes...only they exist because they are way cheaper than the big brands...i think u are in the wrong area....unbelievable
1:24 - bwahaha i laugh so hard to the trees for no reason hahaha. we have that kind of superficial if you cut a specific tree your ancestors will curse you in a lifetime.
Comment on the bike, do your review on the bike, not on people selling on our streets, then laughing mocking , and say welcome to the philippines, feel free to comment on our stupid politicians, that would be really funny..
I wasn't mocking anyone mate. I believe what was written on the back of that bike was 'if you're sexy its free'. Which is funny. Get a sense of humour.
192kg wet and full of fuel. And what makes you think the air filter is not easily accessible? Seat off via key in seconds. A few bolts and the filter cassette is out. Tank stays on
it's just under the seat, no need to remove the tank like the transalp and I heard the new himilayan also have it under the tank which is a deal breaker for me.
@@Vicko026 I'm just going by this vid th-cam.com/video/yAS0mBr67d4/w-d-xo.html at around 2:55 mark I can see the snorkel seems to be blocked by the tank. The weight seems to be an anomaly. The Chinese and western reviews seems to have a discrepancy. I'm pretty sure I've watched a Chinese vid where they were close to the 196 mark.
It is heavy for what it is, butt he air filter is easily accessible. It's an adventure bike after all, not something for hopping rocks and jumping logs, pretending to be an enduro rider or motocrosser.
Hope they sell heaps.congrats to them and kove for listening to riders.
It would be great to get a look inside the airbox straight after that - also a look at the air filter access etc.
True it was pretty dusty Lindsay! Can confirm that the air filter access is done without removing the tank. Seat off with key, then the intake is located under the rear of the tank. I think it was 4 bolts.
@@Vicko026 Paper Element ?? - How did it seal ??
@@lindsaypetersen1277from pictures on Facebook 450mt pages looks like paperlike material
still watching...., umm,, do they access the air filter in this vid??
It's an influencer channel. They're not here to review the bike. They're here to sell you the bike.
Cant wait getting mine in 3 weeks the mini T7
Good review. I love the Philippines. Wish I were there. Really interested in that bike. Seems to be perfect for my wants and needs. Can't get to the U.S. soon enough for me.
I really had high hopes for this motorcycle, i was looking for something lighter than my tuareg that would be comfortable on road to get to the off road stuff i ride. Being this will be 195kg ish wet its so close on weight to the tuareg that its probably not worth it. I should keep my tuareg.
If you already have a Tuareg - keep it. The MT is not the enduro-rally bike you (and me and lots of others!) are looking for. I was out on my Tuareg again this morning and it was bliss. Aprilia do have a 457cc twin tho... you'd have to think that something will be forthcoming there... fingers crossed.
@@Vicko026 thanks for the reply, yes I love my Tuareg! Funny you mention that, I've been wondering if Aprilia will make a mini tuareg with that new 457cc twin and will that be the unicorn we are waiting for? Hopefully 380 ish pounds wet like the KTM 390?? 🤞
Definitely keep the Tuareg. As much as we always want that new thing that will be more capable. The best way to make your bike more capable is to make you more capable by practicing and taking courses.
You should definitely try the Kove 450 Rally. I own one and I had a T7, it is a mini T7 very rideable on road but a beast offroad. And 150kg. I have a V85TT for the road so maybe not objective but give it a try you might be surprised. I tried the Tuareg and loved it but bought the v85tt for the comfort
@@nscott26I think it's the same engine case as the 660? Wouldn't expect it to be lighter in that regard
Love how the dude is just standing in your way at the end..lol Now just need to swing a leg over one and see how it fits as i am 6'3" and found my old Dl1000 odley cramped the way it made my knees bend. Didn't have the problem on ANY of the duel sport bikes I have owned. also wonder how the suspension is for larger riders... recently Had a KLX 300 and the suspension was too soft. tank was also waaaay to small...
Nice riding, road isn’t much different except the dust 🤣
Welcome to the Philippines 🇵🇭
Needs to push it's suspension travel to the 10-11"s that would make it a killer set up
Thanks for this extended review. Did you find your knees hitting the upper crash bar attachment sleeves? How tall are you?
Cheers!
Edit: when you hit the front brake at a certain point it squealed. I’ve noticed another reviewer saying the same thing & could hear it. This happened in another country. I wonder if the rotor buttons are extremely dirty or the pads are way too hard for longevity 🤔
Did you notice this squeaky on other bikes within the group?
My knees didn’t hit anything no. I’m 181cm (just under 6ft).
I did notice the brakes squeal pretty much only that once. I’d say they’d just got a bit dust glazed in that slow speed dust bowl that was the adv park. Once out and going again I didn’t notice them squeal anymore.
@@Vicko026 thank champ. Did you happen to sit on the 870 version seat on some bikes? I know it can be lowered another 20mm.
Cheers!
good review as usual bud how would you rate it compared to the Tuareg
Not really comparable Oz. The Tuareg is the benchmark small-mid size Adventure bike with all the bells and whistles. Price reflects that. Twice the power. Astonishing handling out of the box, adjustable TC on the fly etc etc. The MT is a no frills entry level 40 hp bike. Awesome value for money.
The way it should be ridden nice..
Which would you pick CF 450MT, DR650 or KLR 650. ?
KTM 390
Lightweight little marvel love mine and cost me less than the cf@@rickyricardo9918
having owned a KLR and an XR650 I can say the Klr could not have been ridden like that without significant effort! The Xr wouldn't have had any problems.. On road the XR kind of sucks though..
I really enjoyed the review and the footage Wayne but hopefully the next video doesn't have any dogs in it!
Hahaha - I couldn't get that damn video of the little girl and the bear outta my head Ben. If you havent seen it, search 'can I pet that dog'.. you're welcome :)
So how is it price to quality vs the Tuareg?
Not really comparable. Price is 9 grand compared to low twenties. Tuareg runs rings around it in all areas. As it should for the price difference.
aprilia tuareg 660 11,900€ , MT450 5900€ you cant compared
@@zaphyrfpv6671 but you’re wrong I can ask, hence why I asked price to quantity 😁
what are the chances of damaging the pipes underneath the bike hitting some harder terrain?
Comes with a reasonably sturdy bashplate. You can opt for additional crash bars too. Decent ground clrearance at 200 mm , but just be conscious that its not an enduro/trail bike... If you intend on getting really gnarly with it, plan accordingly :)
Minute 11:18 - it was easy to raise up the bike after the fall? Or it is "top-heavy" like the yamaha T700?
Easy as. Much easier than I expected
Do you think if they had of put maybe a 550-650ish cc engine in at between 50-60hp and kept it under 200kg wet, this would be the almost perfect combination ???
I think if they'd done that even more people would complain about the weight and it being down on power compared to the Tenere and Tuareg similar weight...
But at a price that is half of either of those two ??
@@sdavis4349 I think it’s smart that they’ve moved into a different segment than the 600ish space. There is really no direct competitor for a twin cylinder bike like this, so they have a unique offering for at least a little while… Let’s face it they could have done a lot of other things and then we’d still be asking ‘what if’ questions :)
you mean like the cf moto 650 mt that they've had for 5 years ? My buddy here in the Philippines has a 2019 - more than capable on our rides on all sort of roads and tracks. But can be heavy to get upright if it goes down on a rough track. The 450MT is next to look into if they ever get stock here....
What rpm was it pulling at 62mph.
Where this place do you riding?
El Nido - Philippines
is this in elnido?
Well spotted - it is indeed
How heavy you are, how tall etc please.
181 cm (just under 6ft) and 85kg
@@Vicko026 thank you, same hight as mine, how do you found it in terms of seat hight?
Seat height is quite low. I’d opt for the tall seat option for a better standing position.
@@Vicko026 thank you, they made almost perfect Goat, why oh why this seathight?
Seat height is great for on road as it is, makes it corner very nicely. It's not a big deal, the taller seat option would improve standing position more than enough. And you could opt for risers too if you wanted further height.
what is that helmet and the goggles that you are using? They look fantastic!!
Airoh commander helmet and fox dual layer goggles. Both great
@@Vicko026 thanks for answering. After looking closely, i saw the FOX logo on the googles strap. But damn! How could you figure out that it was the Airoh just from the shape of it man.
I want one
The tree in the middle of the road?
11:00 That was a very deep crack and an unfortunately placed loose rock, I wouldn't blame the driver, the road is always 3x worse than what the GoPros can capture.
❤🎉❤🎉❤🎉
Top speed?
and I'm gonna say *"is that dog pattable?"* every time you say *"can I pat that dog?"* just like that for no reasonable reason 😅😂
Just watching your video n your words haunted me now while I ride my exc my mouth keep saying it can I keep the dawg😂😂😂
Hahahahahahaha 😂
This is not a review
Yo my man, just like the US, in the Philippines you drive on the RIGHT side of the road. 'Murica!! 🤣🤣🤣
I'm aware of that mate - if you've seen footage of traffic in Manilla you'd understand the comment. Road rules are more.. rough guidelines in the Philippines :)
@@Vicko026 Haha, I'm an expat retiree here in the Philippines, you get used to that after a while here and when visiting back to the US you feel like everyone's such a p*ssy for keeping distance and staying in lane, haha.
@@Vicko026Yes, rough is putting it nicely 😂
Hand signal for dog? What’s the signal? Too small to see a hand on the screen.
This seems to represent great value but the Kove 800 will be lighter and more than double the power
I'm pretty keen on throwing the leg over the Kove 800 too!
and its price? You must know the price to give such a comment
@Matthew-wn8oq are u serious? we are talking about Chinese bikes...only they exist because they are way cheaper than the big brands...i think u are in the wrong area....unbelievable
Did you pat a dog?
Dusty AF, but I’m not sure I’d want to be riding those tracks in the wet.
Not on road tyres anyway.
1:24 - bwahaha i laugh so hard to the trees for no reason hahaha. we have that kind of superficial if you cut a specific tree your ancestors will curse you in a lifetime.
Is that why they were in the middle of the road? Interesting! Thanks :)
Can do pet your dog? 😂
try breathing through your nose, you will get less tired
The bike weighs about 9kg or so more than a stock DR650
Comment on the bike, do your review on the bike, not on people selling on our streets, then laughing mocking , and say welcome to the philippines, feel free to comment on our stupid politicians, that would be really funny..
I wasn't mocking anyone mate. I believe what was written on the back of that bike was 'if you're sexy its free'. Which is funny. Get a sense of humour.
this Sucks
Haha.. unfortunately you all got to the Philippines diring one of the worst heat spell's in years
200kgs and an air filter that isn't easily accessible? Not something I was hoping for.
192kg wet and full of fuel. And what makes you think the air filter is not easily accessible? Seat off via key in seconds. A few bolts and the filter cassette is out. Tank stays on
it's just under the seat, no need to remove the tank like the transalp and I heard the new himilayan also have it under the tank which is a deal breaker for me.
@@Vicko026 I'm just going by this vid th-cam.com/video/yAS0mBr67d4/w-d-xo.html at around 2:55 mark I can see the snorkel seems to be blocked by the tank. The weight seems to be an anomaly. The Chinese and western reviews seems to have a discrepancy. I'm pretty sure I've watched a Chinese vid where they were close to the 196 mark.
It is heavy for what it is, butt he air filter is easily accessible. It's an adventure bike after all, not something for hopping rocks and jumping logs, pretending to be an enduro rider or motocrosser.
Which would you pick CF 450MT, DR650 or KLR 650. ?
Depends on what sort of riding you’re doing. MT more comfortable on road… the others are big trail bikes
@@Vicko026 How about a comparison between this bike and the KTM 390 Adventure?