If the LEAF had ACTIVE COOLING it would be a bigger champion in EV adoption. That's all Nissan has to do, improve the LEAF not dump it. Nobody needs another pricey Crossover-SUV when a wave of affordable Chinese EVs are on the way.
@@busetgadapetif they produce in the intended countries that might eliminate the tariffs. I believe that's what the Chinese EV companies (and Volvo) are trying to achieve, build North American bound EVs in the US or Mexico, for example.
Added cooling adds cost, complexity, maintenance and adds points of failure hurting reliability. ACTIVE COOLING is not needed for home charging and limited local driving. And it would still be CHADEMO limited. What it really needs is software updated to limit charging to 80% for battery health. Oh, and better AEB. Mine was totaled in minor front end collision. 2023 Nissan Leaf S
Driving my dirt cheap 2015 leaf. Would love to have 140 miles of range! Mine is more like 50 or 60 real world miles, but as long as I know that, it's adequate for around town. 70K miles in, it's been great for us.
@@1519SpringI wish that I could make that work because you can get older ones for very little money here in GA. The problem is that Atlanta is so spread out that pretty much anyplace I want to go is 60-80 miles round trip. My commute is considered short among my friends but it is still 60 miles round trip. I wish they made a replacement battery you could install like you can with old Priuses.
We are on our 5th Leaf. Every size battery. Instant TH-cam experts drive me insane. Each car has a DAILY max convenient range, as long as you keep the speed down (don't drive 80mph like Kyle). For this size battery, about 400mi was our max in CA summer, cool start. Our current 2016 has a 225mi max (what do you want for $8K?). The Mazda MX30, Mini electric, Chevy Bolt all have similar charge speeds. As for CHAdeMO, check the NREL database - total plugs still growing slowly. % is down. You will do fine with 120V AC charging at home, though not recommended by Nissan. Half-truth after half-truth from this guy. Did you get the cold weather option for CO? Comes with a heat pump - our Mach-e doesn't even have that.
@@meandmyEV I live in Marietta/ East Cobb and can drive to Tucker and back. More range would be great (and this isn't my only car), but it works well as a grocery getter and errand runner and short commuter. My commute is 16 miles a day, and my wife's a little less, and my kids prefer driving the leaf over our gas minivan.
As a second car/commuter car/grocery-getter this is hard to beat IF you have a place to charge at home. I bought a used Leaf last year for exactly those uses and reasons. It has cost me 3 CENTS per mile in electricity usage and zero in maintenance (except washer fluid). My mechanic sees me once per year for our state inspection and it is clean, quiet, comfortable and reliable. Not for everyone but, in this scenario, there is not much to dislike.
I bought a used 2015 Leaf. It only gets about 80-90 miles of range. My commute is only five miles each way. I never use public chargers. I only have to plug it in at home every 2-3 days. I'm thrilled with my decision. The perfect vehicle for getting around town.
The Leaf is the only EV bucking trends and selling for an actual profit. Forget the flaws of the car because it’s an actually affordable product that can sell for a profit.
I'm waiting for a dealership to find out if they can give me the $4k federal back at time of sale. If so I'm going to get a 2022 for $7500 (after another $3500 MA rebate)... If it happens when all is said and done i'll be turning my 2017 Forester into a 2022 leaf and a couple grand cash.
There are plenty of other EVs selling for a profit. Even a few of the more " is losing $xx,yyy per vehicle!" headline ones. Because those headlines are misleadingly including "full company/division financials" then dividing by number of vehicles sold. Ford? Doesn't actually lose money on the sale of a Mach-E or F-150 Lightning. It benefits them to sell more of them, because they make profit on each one. It's just that the "Model e division" is losing money because of huge investments in technology, factory upgrades, etc. Same with Rivian. The newly refreshed "Get 2" R1T and R1S are individual-unit profitable. It's the whole company expenses that are causing the _company_ to lose money. Many of the headlines imply that if Rivian were to suddenly be able to manufacture 1 million vehicles a month at the current per-unit price and sell them at the current list price, that they'd somehow be incurring massively _more_ debt. That's not what's going on. If Rivian suddenly materialized a new factory capable of 1 million vehicles per month, (their current manufacturing is about 5000 per month,) but all factory costs were ramped up 200x to account for the 200x scale, and had the same raw material and manufacturing costs per-unit, selling those extra 1 million vehicles per month at current list price they would be a massively profitable company. Not even accounting for economies of scale reducing factory or per-unit costs. (If they had a factory capable of manufacturing 1 million vehicles per month, it wouldn't take 200x as many people to staff that factory. Rivian's current plant produces ~50k/year with ~7.5k employees, or ~6.66 vehicles per year per employee; VW Wolfsburg produces ~900k/year vehicles with 50k employees, or ~18 vehicles per year per employee, 3x the vehicle rate. And VW's line isn't as automated as Rivian's.)
I have owned my leaf for five years and I absolutely love it… And I only have 80 miles of range with the smallest battery.. never had a problem with range
ev infrastructure reminds me of early smartphone era where the tower isn't everywhere yet and the speed is super slow but eventually it gets better and better, the charging station also would be more and more and in near future every house will be required to at least have 1 charger so even if you rent a house or apartment you could still charge your ev in your garage
I live in AZ so we really have no incentives but if you do some research on the Bolt it qualifies for the used EV tax credit of 4k, many are coming off the first lease, most had the batteries replaced and have an 8 year 100k mile warranty that's good until 2032 and you can find them all day for 12-15k and get the tax credit and you have a sub 10k car with 200+ miles of range and DC fast charging
I'm seeing this also around here but it's 50/50 on whether the dealers give you the used credit up front, they don't want to deal with it. It's especially common at new car dealers who's new EVs don't qualify, I have talked to 3 like that.
The Leaf is hands down the best value of any vehicle in the US, not just EV's. With the Chademo to CCS adapters that are being sold now there really isn't any down side unless you plan to road trip often.
@@scottwilkins I saw a used 2024 Leaf SV Plus (big battery) the other day for $21K. IIRC it had like 2000 miles on it. I would have bought it, but I'm looking for something a little bigger in an EV as I'm really tall. The ID.4 is the most roomy of the midsized crossover type EVs and I'm starting to see used examples in the low 20s.
Limited CO. deal aside, this information is still useful to those looking for a small short range run about. Nissan still has a wide variety of vehicle options for people in all stages of life at a reasonable/affordable rate. Which is something I still respect highly about them. Is this car ideal for me at this stage in life? No. But I could see it for retired folks whom have short outings that live in a mild weather conditions year round. Or perhaps college students on a tight budget whom have the same minimalistic need for a vehicle. Then again, with the cost of living, if your travels are so minimal, you could save thousands a year and just take an uber now and then. lol
I was raised around a small family owned car and truck business in Georgia, and I’ve done it all my life. I’m old enough to have seen many things come and go. But…one thing that has remained consistent, is that most middle class everyday Americans will buy what their budget can handle 99% of the time. This Leaf and the last year of Bolts are great examples. Make EVs affordable, and they will fly out of the dealership. Most people are just NOT going to buy a $50-100k vehicle. They just can’t do it! I’d love to see more deals like this Leaf around the country!
Great comment, I'm looking for an EV runaround that costs me about the same per month as my older Navigator does in gas, about $140-$210 per month @15mpg depending on whether I fill up 2 times or 3 times. We take our '23 Mach-E on road trips. The local VW dealer offered me a lease on an ID.4 Standard for $249/mo if I just signed over the title on the Navi and paid the first month's payment on the ID.4. Just gotta convince the Boss. Of course, if I could get a new Leaf for cheaper per month, I would do that option too. Just need something that fits in my budget for not much more than gas and maintenance on the Navi.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the purchase option.. Schomp Nissan in littleton has no dealer fee's and you can buy one for $13,435, or $14,130 at Boulder Nissan with dealer handling
Holy smoke! Keep in mind that you can still slow charge overnight at a cheap hotel or fast charge while eating a long meal, and you've doubled the range.
We live in Seattle and love our 2022 Leaf SV plus as our town car. It has 210 mile range, heat pump, surround view camera and Apple car play. We have a home charger. Our road car is a Subaru Outback. We chose the Leaf over the Bolt for comfort and easy city parking with the surround view camera.
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The average roundtrip commute distance for American workers is approximately 41 miles, well withing the range of this Leaf winter or summer. Charging a Nissan Leaf using a standard 120-volt outlet (Level 1 charging) is the slowest option, but it’s also the most accessible. It typically takes around 20 hours to fully charge the battery.
As a recent LEAF owner - i like its borrowingness, it looks and feels like a traditional car. I don’t want an iPad on wheels. It does need active cooling. I did get bit by turtle mode on a rare long distance road trip. But actually I find 600mile doable if you’re willing to plan and have a leisurely drive. Chadamo is a pain in the ass. Never had a problem finding one, but it’s slow for a “Fast charger” The range on the standard 40KW model is crappy. I work to 120miles on 80%. The 62KW e+ should have been standard. Tldr; have a look at the MG MG4. Seems to be super cheap for an EV and fixes all the LEAFs issues.
I just bought a 2016 LEAF. It came with a brand new 40kw battery. It's pretty gutless, entirely bare bones, and after the payment, insurance, and charging power, I'm $200 a month ahead over driving my Tundra as my daily driver. I'm really happy with it.
I'm jealous of the EV incentives in Colorado! I live in Pennsylvania where there are barely any incentives at all. The state is also planning on raising the annual car registration fee from $40 per year to $200 per year for EVs and PHEVs to make up for the loss in gas tax 😥
The dealer was offering it with "zero down payment," just the "initial car acquisition fees" that would be true if you were financing it to purchase, or even buying it outright for $1 like Out of Spec's Coda. Some of the fees will be based on the "sale price" of the vehicle, so yes, some fees would be lower on a cheaper "buy outright price" car, but those are fees you'd pay regardless of vehicle. The actual "vehicle payment" is indeed $10/month with zero "vehicle specific" down payment.
They did a first video on this very subject, total up front cost was $2,400, including first payment, so, still quite cheap. Overall for the 2 year lease it’s less than $125mo if you add in the up front costs. Insurance will more likely cost you more than the the car itself.
it's worth mentioning, if you work near a Nissan dealer, you can charge there for free. I worked at a Nissan dealer in 2014 when I bought my '15 Leaf. I charged my car for free at work every day. There was also a guy that worked in the shopping center next door that also charged his car there for free every day. I wish every time you said "$9 Leaf", you'd also say ONLY IN COLORADO.
Worth checking out, but iffy. Fiat dealer near me allowed it, then started parking gas vehicles in there blocking the spot, one charger was out of order they didn't fix it, passive-aggressively trying to get rid of me and others
I owned a 23 Leaf S for 16 months and it was a great city/urban car. A 20 AMP 120 volt circuit was available in my garage, so I bought a 16 AMP EVSE, and that handled all our charging needs. It added about 6 miles of range per hour of charge, so 10 - 12 hours over night was all we ever needed. It was comfortable and simple, perfect for our 25 mile daily driving. Leaf came with free EVGO charging, but I only used that one time, just to see if it worked. Insurance totaled it after a minor collision and the depreciation was huge.
I'm jealous your garage has 20 amps. I'm surprised electrical code allows only a single 15 amp circuit in a garage. That's where people are going to plug in a refrigerator, space heater, power tools, etc. it's not enough power!
@@thedopplereffect00 "code" does not limit to 15 amp power. Your electrician does. Get a better electrician. You could get 50 amp power in your garage if you wanted it. Or more. P.S. a 20 amp plug is a different plug, with sideways pins.
@@scottwilkins I meant on new builds they don't require 20 amps in the garage. I haven't had time to get an electrician yet to upgrade. What's funny is the dining room on the other side of the wall has 20 amps, which seems ridiculous to me.
@@scottwilkins the problem is that they're putting in 14/2 instead of 12/2 that could support 20A, on new builds. When I remodeled my own house about 10 years ago I did all 12/2 in the whole house. But builders will save a few bucks if they can get away with it.
All EVs with the J1772 standard must support a minimum of 6A 240v so you could get quite creative as I have done with my OpenEVSE which allows me to dial it down. You could set the EVSE to 6A, 8A or 12A 240v and turn the neutral line to a hot. though this would not be considered "NEC Code Compliant" so if you accidentally burn your garage down, I don't know you.
Good review. For Tommy, the Leaf is not his cup of tea. I get it. He is young and is an automotive enthusiast so cars that are the equivalent of the kitchen toaster, coffeemaker or frying pan are not his first or even 3rd choice for candidates for his at home parking corral. Tommy mentioned a few things which often remove cars like the Leaf from consideration by the automotive enthusiast like comfortable, smooth, quiet and squishy. Most of those features would be an at best unwanted to a car enthusiast. That makes the Leaf with its under $30,000 starting price, very attractive for those seeking those attributes.
i have an S plus . it will do 225 miles spring summer and fall , 150 miles on the coldest winter days. @ 99,000 miles now the battery is still at 12 bars though it has never seen much over 80 degrees . and i actually live at 10,000 ft elevation. Shes a summit county car and she goes everyday in the snow over the pass no problem.
In Australia, the lower-end Chinese EVs are being discounted, the MG4 and Ora have been discounted heavily enabling purchasers to buy good new small sedans and small SUVs from A$31,000 to A$34,000. That is $US$21,000 to US$23,000. Good, low mileage 2020 EVs are to be had for A$25,000 which is US$17,000.
One big bummer is the charger that comes with the leaf doesn't work on 208 VAC. So if you plan to charge up at work you will need another charger. A bigger screen would be nice. I have been getting by on level one charging which gives about 30 miles range per night which is far more than I drive so I don't have to plug it in every night.
I have a soft spot for the Leaf. I road in one when they first released in Japan. I actually really enjoy the old model styling too. But that pesky range! Where I live, I wouldn't even be able to drive to the next city. And there are no chargers in between.
Every EV owner should have a collection of every connector & adapter necessary to be able to plug in EVERYWHERE. Rv parks, Tesla chargers, Shell chargers, Walmart chargers, CHAdeMO, CCS1, level1, level2, all of them, so no matter where you are in the world you can connect and charge. !
Well technically there is a way to DC fast charge a leaf even if there’s no CHAdeMO chargers in your area using CCS2. However, the necessary adapter for it is pricey because it has to convert between the different protocols. It’s somewhere in the ballpark of $1000. However, given that CHAdeMO vehicles are not the majority and the number of CHAdeMO chargers is not very likely to increase as a percentage of DC chargers, it might be a good investment.
It's wild that Nissan is still selling a car without active battery management. It's also pretty crazy that it still uses the CHAdeMO charging standard.
They said they won’t add ccs to the leaf. But I have plenty chademo stations. Don’t buy the garbage Kyle Connor Tom and Tommy are trying to sell you about chademo stations . Caroline Rae you. Tuber from Colorado drove the 150 mile leaf to st Louis Missouri to visit a relative. Kyle had been putting out fake news about chademo for 3 years
Normal city driving doesn't heat the battery it only becomes an issue on a road trip, Basically the first fast charge is OK but after that the BMS slows the charging to protect the battery(Rapid Gate) A2V EV sells a CCS to Chademo adapter.
Well, they are "planning to sell". None have shipped yet but this could be a game changer assuming they work with ABB, Delta, Electronics, BTC and all the other DC Fast Charger manufacturers equipment. Fingers 🤞 owning the first CCS EV, I can tell you that assumptions of compatibility can leave you close to stranded on a road trip.
Wait so y'all said the Fiat and the Mini Cooper weren't bad cars. But this one has 30 more miles of range or more,bigger and faster than both. Not to mention it's dirt cheap
They didn't say the Leaf was a bad car, just pointed out it's real flaws. Also, I've gotta defend my own EV's honor here.. The Leaf is great, but no it's not faster than the Mini. TFL did a drag race between a Leaf, Bolt, and Mini SE. The Leaf was the slowest of the bunch, if only by a small margin. The Fiat and Cooper also both have better thermal management than the Leaf.
Holy hell!! $150 per month for car insurance. Why? I mean if I insure a the same car here in Europe it’s $200 ……. For the year! This is a ridiculous cost and if your government actually wanted to cut down on household costs they should probably look at the litigious culture that exists in the US. Insane! As for the car, thanks for the review. Looks like a pretty sensible purchase at that price though once you go above $100 a public transport ticket, an s%^tbox for long journeys and a bike for back up probably makes more sense.
I could see doing this if your commute was basically Longmont to Boulder, or to Fort Collins. I do worry about the extremes here, both cold and hot and how the car battery would perform.
They could have left vehicle as is and boosted the warranty, and or advertise a reasonable guaranteed price for a battery replacement. I don't think they even ever defended passive cooling or Chademo
I'm not sure they can sell it cheap enough. I got my discontinued 23 Chevy bolt for 30,000-7500 rebate-2,000 discontinued California rebate. $22K w/o rebate would be a good price. Prob why they're offering low leases.
Leaf may get another model change according to Japanese media reports. 3rd generation Leaf is expected in late 2025 or early 2026. Leaf isn't a high volume vehicle, so I think investments have been limited. It only sold about half a million units in the first 10 years of introduction after 2010. 2nd generation was introduced in 2017. 3rd gen some time in late 2025. Nissan lost money in 2020 and 2021 due to factory closure in Russia and the pandemic, so they didn't real have the resources.
It depends where you live. If you're in Canada and earn more than the rebate you don't get the $5000 rebate from the Federal Government. If you're buying your second EV/Hybrid you don't get the $2000 provincial rebate either. Not sure if some states in the US have similar programs. Update: California looks like the highest rebate of $12,000, followed by Colorado at $8000. Other states don't offer as much or any rebate at all.
I really considered this deal but to drive from Denver up to summit county in colder temps on a single charge I feel like would give me anxiety. I expect to see a Loveland Trial video this winter!
Anyone who's driven in an 80 Mi range EV knows that 149 miles is pretty good range. 147hp, five star nhtsa safety rating. A lot of people can get by on level 1 120 V charging, especially if you combine it with some public charging, ultimate is find an outlet at work. If your insurance company is trying to work you, shop around. I've had EVS for almost 6 years insurance is comparable to gas cars. It's a good deal even at regular price
My daily commute for the last 15 years has been 5-10 miles per day. I almost bought one but I live in an ancient house and don't trust the current wiring to install a charger.
I'm wondering what these will sell for after the lease is up. With so many people in Colorado getting them will there be a glut of them on the used market in a few years driving the value down. The lack of battery temperature management already makes the lifespan of the battery a little sketchy so these may be a tough sell.
If you live at a place where temperatures go over 95 ofter DO NOT GET IT. Dc charging will never go over 20 KW/H. and if battery can overheat easily. I had temp bar go close to red just by going in an out the freeway a couple time in 30 mins.
I own a Spark EV. 1/2 the range but with liquid cooling. I've never done a lease but otherwise it's an upgrade. LoL!! Unfortunately, the CHAdeMo to CCS adapter is $1000.00 and I live on a hill so snow tires/wheels will cost me more still.
Finally someone talks about the plug it comes with!!!! I been wanting to know what it comes with. An adapter?? 220 v plug as well. So does it plug into the chademo side or the one with the orange cover? If it’s using a 220 volt (dryer) plug connection it must be plug in on the chademo side right? I thought the side with the orange cover is level 1 only (110 volt regular plug)? The battery for this car should be cheap and easy to swap out if they are gonna keep it on the market. It will sell. I like it. But still too expensive for me. Btw does anyone have a leaf in central Texas? We get 100 degree days a lot here. How has it affected the battery degradation? And do they do replacements of the battery? How much are the batteries? You think they will still have batteries for these leafs in 10 years from now?
There is no such thing as Level-3. They just call it DC Fast Charging. Swapping those battery packs in 10 years is anyone's guess. The 2nd generation leaf should be okay in Texas but don't push your luck with long trips.
If they had added active cooling, and CCS charging.. I probably would have bought one.. But Chademo is useless, and it's HOT where I live.. so active cooling would be a requirement. everything else is great.. its roomy, and has lots of storage.
Blows my mind that a choice of automotive technology could be rejected by people not because of engineering aspects, suitability for a particular purpose, etc... but because of _politics_.
As a conservative I agree. I absolutely hate the idea of tax credit subsidies and want them repealed, but I took them and bought a Tesla because it's a superior experience.
@@thedopplereffect00 Well, as a Center-Left person, I was thinking more of the "conservative" comments that EVs should be avoided because "Libruhl something something..." But hey, you do you :)
@@DavidHuffTexas not sure specifically what you are referring to. Here's something you'll hate though: I love that my EV runs on cheap coal and natural gas produced in the U.S. it's really hard for other conservatives to argue against that fact.
Just think if Nissan had put in just a little more effort over the last 14 years of the Leaf's life - after what must've been its groundbreaking development - and put in a little active cooling which'd help them put in a little more battery density - and you'd have an unexciting but still relevant cheap EV with 200+ miles range
I briefly looked into the longer range Leaf, but the combination of CHAdeMO and poor DC charging with a hot or cold battery turned me off. We are a 1 car family, so we need the car to be able to handle anything. Long commutes, road trips, anything. Looking at a Kona EV or maybe I'll wait for the EV3.
And after hearing this. I'd still lease one in that deal. I am looking for a super cheap way to commute back and forth to work. I'd keep my 2012 Jeep GC and get rid of my 2008 CRV.
I actually like the Nissan Leaf just not the base model with the steel wheels I prefer aluminum wheels instead, I rented i Nissan Leaf at enterprise before I bought my Tesla model S
nothing can be as bad in range than the mx30... i wish we had cheap deals for new Leaf in Canada... used ones are going for exactly the same amount as used Konas, Niro EV, and Bolt.
And VW had the nerve to think they could market the ID.4 as a ‘modern Beetle’. I think the front range Nissan dealers just invented the modern Beetle!!
@@JimBronson Interesting. Both Leaf Plus + ID.4 Standard have 62kWh battery and both have about 210 mile ranges. If 3500 down, 229/mo lease for ID.4 standard.
@@daves1646 VW dealer offered it to me for $249 if I just signed over the title to my trade and paid the first monthly payment monthly payment on the lease. Trade is a 2010 Lincoln Navigator with 163K, they valued it on the papers as $1300, but who knows what they're calculating in the back of their minds. Local Nissan dealer was offering $259 on a Leaf S (not plus) with 2100 down. Unless they go lower, the ID.4 is a better deal for me.
It would be a great option if the battery came with a 20 year warranty. I would only consider buying, leasing is too much of a pain in the ass, too many damage fees and mileage restrictions.
So horrible at doing the job it was made for that my wife bought a new one when her job requirements changed. The 2014 replaced my minivan. And I mean replaced. I can still stuff it full of stuff lol Kind of wish Nissan made a mini ute out of it. Don't like needing to tip trees over to carry them home, but I had to do that in the van too.
I'd be okay with a new Nissan Leaf, unfortunately, I live in Ontario, Canada, and here they sell the Leaf for $52,000 new. Yes, there is a government rebate of $5,000 but that still means that you have to pay $47,000 for the Leaf, while a Toyota Corolla sells for $26,000; almost half the price of a new Leaf.
I live in Atlanta and my 2015 Leaf (owned since new) has been totally adequate basic transportation. No fear of the heat here. Arizona may be another story.
I remember a video talking to someone from Indonesia who had imported a cheap Leaf from Arizona. This was years ago, so not only did he get just 30 kilometers of range, there was hardly anywhere in Indonesia to charge it. He was saving for a battery replacement, because he loved the car.
Don't the new Leaf's get 215 mile range? And, have battery cooling? Seems this is a 2022 model. And, not so cheap any more with normally being around $35K.
Cut the crap. We need to know the overall operating expenses connected with an EV compared to ICE. Do this- buy a new small ice sedan & a new same sedal in EV trim. Drive them both and calculate the expenses. -purchase price differences -fuel vs electricity -maintenance expenses over like 20000mi or more -insurance costs -Grand Total out of pocket expenses for the life of the car !
If the LEAF had ACTIVE COOLING it would be a bigger champion in EV adoption. That's all Nissan has to do, improve the LEAF not dump it. Nobody needs another pricey Crossover-SUV when a wave of affordable Chinese EVs are on the way.
The charging port needs to change.
chinese ev in Europe due to tariff isn't cheap anymore
@@busetgadapetif they produce in the intended countries that might eliminate the tariffs. I believe that's what the Chinese EV companies (and Volvo) are trying to achieve, build North American bound EVs in the US or Mexico, for example.
Added cooling adds cost, complexity, maintenance and adds points of failure hurting reliability. ACTIVE COOLING is not needed for home charging and limited local driving.
And it would still be CHADEMO limited. What it really needs is software updated to limit charging to 80% for battery health. Oh, and better AEB. Mine was totaled in minor front end collision. 2023 Nissan Leaf S
@@busetgadapet the Nissan is from Japan
Most of us long term Leaf users find the Leaf to be less limited in real life than in paper.
Driving my dirt cheap 2015 leaf. Would love to have 140 miles of range! Mine is more like 50 or 60 real world miles, but as long as I know that, it's adequate for around town. 70K miles in, it's been great for us.
@@1519SpringI wish that I could make that work because you can get older ones for very little money here in GA. The problem is that Atlanta is so spread out that pretty much anyplace I want to go is 60-80 miles round trip. My commute is considered short among my friends but it is still 60 miles round trip. I wish they made a replacement battery you could install like you can with old Priuses.
To be fair, that's only because in real life, you have no life. You never go anywhere or do anything. If you did, you couldn't use this car to do it.
We are on our 5th Leaf. Every size battery. Instant TH-cam experts drive me insane. Each car has a DAILY max convenient range, as long as you keep the speed down (don't drive 80mph like Kyle). For this size battery, about 400mi was our max in CA summer, cool start. Our current 2016 has a 225mi max (what do you want for $8K?).
The Mazda MX30, Mini electric, Chevy Bolt all have similar charge speeds. As for CHAdeMO, check the NREL database - total plugs still growing slowly. % is down.
You will do fine with 120V AC charging at home, though not recommended by Nissan.
Half-truth after half-truth from this guy. Did you get the cold weather option for CO? Comes with a heat pump - our Mach-e doesn't even have that.
@@meandmyEV I live in Marietta/ East Cobb and can drive to Tucker and back. More range would be great (and this isn't my only car), but it works well as a grocery getter and errand runner and short commuter. My commute is 16 miles a day, and my wife's a little less, and my kids prefer driving the leaf over our gas minivan.
As a second car/commuter car/grocery-getter this is hard to beat IF you have a place to charge at home. I bought a used Leaf last year for exactly those uses and reasons. It has cost me 3 CENTS per mile in electricity usage and zero in maintenance (except washer fluid). My mechanic sees me once per year for our state inspection and it is clean, quiet, comfortable and reliable. Not for everyone but, in this scenario, there is not much to dislike.
I miss my leaf.. get in and rrrreeee ur off! No oil changes too.
I have 4 ICE cars. Leaf would be perfect to add to my stable for grocery, school and commute.
@@jeretsoI daily drive an EV, my wife’s daily is a plug in hybrid, and we have an old V8 pickup truck. Our family buys maybe 1-2 tanks of gas a month
Smog inspection?
Leaf is a great city car. Our 2013 Leaf is still going strong. 81% battery health, no repairs at all.
That's pretty amazing. You've not had to replace anything beyond the norm like tires?
Tires and cabin air filter, that’s it.
@@leos7471 awesome!
I bought a used 2015 Leaf. It only gets about 80-90 miles of range. My commute is only five miles each way. I never use public chargers. I only have to plug it in at home every 2-3 days. I'm thrilled with my decision. The perfect vehicle for getting around town.
The Leaf is the only EV bucking trends and selling for an actual profit. Forget the flaws of the car because it’s an actually affordable product that can sell for a profit.
Except for Tesla, you mean.
I'm waiting for a dealership to find out if they can give me the $4k federal back at time of sale. If so I'm going to get a 2022 for $7500 (after another $3500 MA rebate)... If it happens when all is said and done i'll be turning my 2017 Forester into a 2022 leaf and a couple grand cash.
@@steinwaymodelbTesla is sinking fast.
@@mrgurulittle7000 Tesla has a profit margin of 5.8 percent and their stock is doing fine. What makes you think they are going to go under?
There are plenty of other EVs selling for a profit. Even a few of the more " is losing $xx,yyy per vehicle!" headline ones.
Because those headlines are misleadingly including "full company/division financials" then dividing by number of vehicles sold.
Ford? Doesn't actually lose money on the sale of a Mach-E or F-150 Lightning. It benefits them to sell more of them, because they make profit on each one. It's just that the "Model e division" is losing money because of huge investments in technology, factory upgrades, etc.
Same with Rivian. The newly refreshed "Get 2" R1T and R1S are individual-unit profitable. It's the whole company expenses that are causing the _company_ to lose money.
Many of the headlines imply that if Rivian were to suddenly be able to manufacture 1 million vehicles a month at the current per-unit price and sell them at the current list price, that they'd somehow be incurring massively _more_ debt. That's not what's going on. If Rivian suddenly materialized a new factory capable of 1 million vehicles per month, (their current manufacturing is about 5000 per month,) but all factory costs were ramped up 200x to account for the 200x scale, and had the same raw material and manufacturing costs per-unit, selling those extra 1 million vehicles per month at current list price they would be a massively profitable company. Not even accounting for economies of scale reducing factory or per-unit costs. (If they had a factory capable of manufacturing 1 million vehicles per month, it wouldn't take 200x as many people to staff that factory. Rivian's current plant produces ~50k/year with ~7.5k employees, or ~6.66 vehicles per year per employee; VW Wolfsburg produces ~900k/year vehicles with 50k employees, or ~18 vehicles per year per employee, 3x the vehicle rate. And VW's line isn't as automated as Rivian's.)
I have owned my leaf for five years and I absolutely love it… And I only have 80 miles of range with the smallest battery.. never had a problem with range
I've owned three of these since 2011, and if you don't need to go very far it's a great daily driver even in the temperature extremes of Wisconsin.
ev infrastructure reminds me of early smartphone era where the tower isn't everywhere yet and the speed is super slow but eventually it gets better and better, the charging station also would be more and more and in near future every house will be required to at least have 1 charger so even if you rent a house or apartment you could still charge your ev in your garage
damn im going to use this analogy when people use chargers as an excuse next time.
The good old days
Boring is not a bad thing. Keeps it cost down. I wish more EV's were like that.
I live in AZ so we really have no incentives but if you do some research on the Bolt it qualifies for the used EV tax credit of 4k, many are coming off the first lease, most had the batteries replaced and have an 8 year 100k mile warranty that's good until 2032 and you can find them all day for 12-15k and get the tax credit and you have a sub 10k car with 200+ miles of range and DC fast charging
Research 2024 Leafs. They are not that cheap any more. The 2025 Bolt will be far cheaper and much better.
I'm seeing this also around here but it's 50/50 on whether the dealers give you the used credit up front, they don't want to deal with it. It's especially common at new car dealers who's new EVs don't qualify, I have talked to 3 like that.
The Leaf is hands down the best value of any vehicle in the US, not just EV's. With the Chademo to CCS adapters that are being sold now there really isn't any down side unless you plan to road trip often.
Was the best value. Much more expensive now. $35K average sell price. You can find cheaper.
@@scottwilkins I saw a used 2024 Leaf SV Plus (big battery) the other day for $21K. IIRC it had like 2000 miles on it. I would have bought it, but I'm looking for something a little bigger in an EV as I'm really tall. The ID.4 is the most roomy of the midsized crossover type EVs and I'm starting to see used examples in the low 20s.
Limited CO. deal aside, this information is still useful to those looking for a small short range run about. Nissan still has a wide variety of vehicle options for people in all stages of life at a reasonable/affordable rate. Which is something I still respect highly about them. Is this car ideal for me at this stage in life? No. But I could see it for retired folks whom have short outings that live in a mild weather conditions year round. Or perhaps college students on a tight budget whom have the same minimalistic need for a vehicle. Then again, with the cost of living, if your travels are so minimal, you could save thousands a year and just take an uber now and then. lol
I was raised around a small family owned car and truck business in Georgia, and I’ve done it all my life. I’m old enough to have seen many things come and go. But…one thing that has remained consistent, is that most middle class everyday Americans will buy what their budget can handle 99% of the time. This Leaf and the last year of Bolts are great examples. Make EVs affordable, and they will fly out of the dealership. Most people are just NOT going to buy a $50-100k vehicle. They just can’t do it! I’d love to see more deals like this Leaf around the country!
Great comment, I'm looking for an EV runaround that costs me about the same per month as my older Navigator does in gas, about $140-$210 per month @15mpg depending on whether I fill up 2 times or 3 times. We take our '23 Mach-E on road trips. The local VW dealer offered me a lease on an ID.4 Standard for $249/mo if I just signed over the title on the Navi and paid the first month's payment on the ID.4. Just gotta convince the Boss. Of course, if I could get a new Leaf for cheaper per month, I would do that option too. Just need something that fits in my budget for not much more than gas and maintenance on the Navi.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the purchase option.. Schomp Nissan in littleton has no dealer fee's and you can buy one for $13,435, or $14,130 at Boulder Nissan with dealer handling
Nope
Holy smoke! Keep in mind that you can still slow charge overnight at a cheap hotel or fast charge while eating a long meal, and you've doubled the range.
We live in Seattle and love our 2022 Leaf SV plus as our town car. It has 210 mile range, heat pump, surround view camera and Apple car play. We have a home charger. Our road car is a Subaru Outback. We chose the Leaf over the Bolt for comfort and easy city parking with the surround view camera.
The average roundtrip commute distance for American workers is approximately 41 miles, well withing the range of this Leaf winter or summer. Charging a Nissan Leaf using a standard 120-volt outlet (Level 1 charging) is the slowest option, but it’s also the most accessible. It typically takes around 20 hours to fully charge the battery.
As a recent LEAF owner - i like its borrowingness, it looks and feels like a traditional car. I don’t want an iPad on wheels.
It does need active cooling. I did get bit by turtle mode on a rare long distance road trip. But actually I find 600mile doable if you’re willing to plan and have a leisurely drive.
Chadamo is a pain in the ass. Never had a problem finding one, but it’s slow for a “Fast charger”
The range on the standard 40KW model is crappy. I work to 120miles on 80%. The 62KW e+ should have been standard.
Tldr; have a look at the MG MG4. Seems to be super cheap for an EV and fixes all the LEAFs issues.
I just bought a 2016 LEAF. It came with a brand new 40kw battery. It's pretty gutless, entirely bare bones, and after the payment, insurance, and charging power, I'm $200 a month ahead over driving my Tundra as my daily driver. I'm really happy with it.
I'm jealous of the EV incentives in Colorado! I live in Pennsylvania where there are barely any incentives at all. The state is also planning on raising the annual car registration fee from $40 per year to $200 per year for EVs and PHEVs to make up for the loss in gas tax 😥
It's sad that states can get away with EV hater rules, taxes & fees
I picked up one. It is better than your rant. Still learning its range. Plenty of Chademo chargers near where I live, but I plug in at home.
A "rant" is more than someone simply listing what they don't like about something.
It's not $10 a month unless you ignore the down payment, which is part of the true monthly cost.
Yep. Any car can be $10/month with a large enough down payment.
The dealer was offering it with "zero down payment," just the "initial car acquisition fees" that would be true if you were financing it to purchase, or even buying it outright for $1 like Out of Spec's Coda. Some of the fees will be based on the "sale price" of the vehicle, so yes, some fees would be lower on a cheaper "buy outright price" car, but those are fees you'd pay regardless of vehicle. The actual "vehicle payment" is indeed $10/month with zero "vehicle specific" down payment.
@@AnonymousFreakYT not true at all, a substantial down payment was required for this lease
They did a first video on this very subject, total up front cost was $2,400, including first payment, so, still quite cheap.
Overall for the 2 year lease it’s less than $125mo if you add in the up front costs. Insurance will more likely cost you more than the the car itself.
@guyforlogos exactly, and that's my point that this doesn't cost anything close to $10 a month
it's worth mentioning, if you work near a Nissan dealer, you can charge there for free. I worked at a Nissan dealer in 2014 when I bought my '15 Leaf. I charged my car for free at work every day. There was also a guy that worked in the shopping center next door that also charged his car there for free every day. I wish every time you said "$9 Leaf", you'd also say ONLY IN COLORADO.
Can. Not charge for free at my local dealer ! They changed it😢 after 5yrs ago
Worth checking out, but iffy. Fiat dealer near me allowed it, then started parking gas vehicles in there blocking the spot, one charger was out of order they didn't fix it, passive-aggressively trying to get rid of me and others
Yup, doesn't apply for me. If I was in CO I'd be on this. Solid little commuter.
I owned a 23 Leaf S for 16 months and it was a great city/urban car. A 20 AMP 120 volt circuit was available in my garage, so I bought a 16 AMP EVSE, and that handled all our charging needs. It added about 6 miles of range per hour of charge, so 10 - 12 hours over night was all we ever needed.
It was comfortable and simple, perfect for our 25 mile daily driving. Leaf came with free EVGO charging, but I only used that one time, just to see if it worked.
Insurance totaled it after a minor collision and the depreciation was huge.
I'm jealous your garage has 20 amps. I'm surprised electrical code allows only a single 15 amp circuit in a garage. That's where people are going to plug in a refrigerator, space heater, power tools, etc. it's not enough power!
@@thedopplereffect00 "code" does not limit to 15 amp power. Your electrician does. Get a better electrician. You could get 50 amp power in your garage if you wanted it. Or more. P.S. a 20 amp plug is a different plug, with sideways pins.
@@scottwilkins I meant on new builds they don't require 20 amps in the garage. I haven't had time to get an electrician yet to upgrade. What's funny is the dining room on the other side of the wall has 20 amps, which seems ridiculous to me.
@@scottwilkins the problem is that they're putting in 14/2 instead of 12/2 that could support 20A, on new builds. When I remodeled my own house about 10 years ago I did all 12/2 in the whole house. But builders will save a few bucks if they can get away with it.
All EVs with the J1772 standard must support a minimum of 6A 240v so you could get quite creative as I have done with my OpenEVSE which allows me to dial it down. You could set the EVSE to 6A, 8A or 12A 240v and turn the neutral line to a hot. though this would not be considered "NEC Code Compliant" so if you accidentally burn your garage down, I don't know you.
Good review. For Tommy, the Leaf is not his cup of tea. I get it. He is young and is an automotive enthusiast so cars that are the equivalent of the kitchen toaster, coffeemaker or frying pan are not his first or even 3rd choice for candidates for his at home parking corral. Tommy mentioned a few things which often remove cars like the Leaf from consideration by the automotive enthusiast like comfortable, smooth, quiet and squishy. Most of those features would be an at best unwanted to a car enthusiast. That makes the Leaf with its under $30,000 starting price, very attractive for those seeking those attributes.
Tommy, thanks for the review. I want to add that you look so much better with this haircut.
i have an S plus . it will do 225 miles spring summer and fall , 150 miles on the coldest winter days. @ 99,000 miles now the battery is still at 12 bars though it has never seen much over 80 degrees . and i actually live at 10,000 ft elevation. Shes a summit county car and she goes everyday in the snow over the pass no problem.
With the lease down payment it is closer to $100/month.
Plus insurance it is closer to $260/month
My gas costs me $140 a month on a paid off guzzler, so $100 is not bad.
Watch the video - total 2 year cost 2500.
I loved my 2014 Leaf when I lived in the cool NW. Sold it because of lack of active cooling. I moved to the desert
In Australia, the lower-end Chinese EVs are being discounted, the MG4 and Ora have been discounted heavily enabling purchasers to buy good new small sedans and small SUVs from A$31,000 to A$34,000. That is $US$21,000 to US$23,000. Good, low mileage 2020 EVs are to be had for A$25,000 which is US$17,000.
I can’t believe they haven’t updated the charge port
Agreed 👍🏻 😂
One big bummer is the charger that comes with the leaf doesn't work on 208 VAC. So if you plan to charge up at work you will need another charger. A bigger screen would be nice. I have been getting by on level one charging which gives about 30 miles range per night which is far more than I drive so I don't have to plug it in every night.
I have a soft spot for the Leaf. I road in one when they first released in Japan. I actually really enjoy the old model styling too.
But that pesky range! Where I live, I wouldn't even be able to drive to the next city. And there are no chargers in between.
Every EV owner should have a collection of every connector & adapter necessary to be able to plug in EVERYWHERE.
Rv parks, Tesla chargers, Shell chargers, Walmart chargers, CHAdeMO, CCS1, level1, level2, all of them, so no matter
where you are in the world you can connect and charge.
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If your commute is 80 miles round trip, you're not going to be leasing anyway because that will double or triple your mile limit...
Why not lease a second one and tow it behind you for when the first one runs out?
Lease 2. Charge 1 in the garage 24 hours and take the other to work. Or leave 1 charging at work and alternate.
@@jeretso If your work is 75 miles away. In that case, move.
Great job Tommy
Well technically there is a way to DC fast charge a leaf even if there’s no CHAdeMO chargers in your area using CCS2. However, the necessary adapter for it is pricey because it has to convert between the different protocols. It’s somewhere in the ballpark of $1000. However, given that CHAdeMO vehicles are not the majority and the number of CHAdeMO chargers is not very likely to increase as a percentage of DC chargers, it might be a good investment.
Just bought an Ev6 and it didn’t come with any charger. Super annoying! Can’t believe the leaf does.
I don't think it's a good idea omitting evse as a cost-cutting measure, their costs versus consumer cost. Useful to some, peace of mind for others
Eventually the Colorado Leaves will saturate the market, fall into the Used market and blow towards my state. Used cheap Perfect
I looked at off lease Leafs but manybwere southern (AZ, FL) with degraded batteries. Will be looking for one from Colorado in 24 months.
It's wild that Nissan is still selling a car without active battery management. It's also pretty crazy that it still uses the CHAdeMO charging standard.
They said they won’t add ccs to the leaf. But I have plenty chademo stations. Don’t buy the garbage Kyle Connor Tom and Tommy are trying to sell you about chademo stations . Caroline Rae you. Tuber from Colorado drove the 150 mile leaf to st Louis Missouri to visit a relative. Kyle had been putting out fake news about chademo for 3 years
This is good for transportation! Tell me anything else in that price that is an EV. Great city car
Normal city driving doesn't heat the battery it only becomes an issue on a road trip, Basically the first fast charge is OK but after that the BMS slows the charging to protect the battery(Rapid Gate) A2V EV sells a CCS to Chademo adapter.
Well, they are "planning to sell". None have shipped yet but this could be a game changer assuming they work with ABB, Delta, Electronics, BTC and all the other DC Fast Charger manufacturers equipment. Fingers 🤞 owning the first CCS EV, I can tell you that assumptions of compatibility can leave you close to stranded on a road trip.
I own this car and I agree with your review.
Wait so y'all said the Fiat and the Mini Cooper weren't bad cars. But this one has 30 more miles of range or more,bigger and faster than both. Not to mention it's dirt cheap
Time flies in EV land, and those reviews were a good while back, IIRC.
They didn't say the Leaf was a bad car, just pointed out it's real flaws. Also, I've gotta defend my own EV's honor here.. The Leaf is great, but no it's not faster than the Mini. TFL did a drag race between a Leaf, Bolt, and Mini SE. The Leaf was the slowest of the bunch, if only by a small margin. The Fiat and Cooper also both have better thermal management than the Leaf.
Holy hell!! $150 per month for car insurance. Why? I mean if I insure a the same car here in Europe it’s $200 ……. For the year!
This is a ridiculous cost and if your government actually wanted to cut down on household costs they should probably look at the litigious culture that exists in the US. Insane!
As for the car, thanks for the review. Looks like a pretty sensible purchase at that price though once you go above $100 a public transport ticket, an s%^tbox for long journeys and a bike for back up probably makes more sense.
Did Andre end up getting one for his kid?
I wish this was available in my state.
I could see doing this if your commute was basically Longmont to Boulder, or to Fort Collins. I do worry about the extremes here, both cold and hot and how the car battery would perform.
as a commuter the Leaf has been a perfect bridge gap car for me until the R2 launches.
baffling why Nissan doesn't seem to bother in putting a liquid cooled battery and CCS charging on it.
It could be a true EV for the masses
Because it would make the car more expensive. Not to mention added development costs on a new battery/cooling system.
@@rdramos13 the investment would be minimal. Even irrelevant economically.
They could have left vehicle as is and boosted the warranty, and or advertise a reasonable guaranteed price for a battery replacement. I don't think they even ever defended passive cooling or Chademo
I'm not sure they can sell it cheap enough. I got my discontinued 23 Chevy bolt for 30,000-7500 rebate-2,000 discontinued California rebate. $22K w/o rebate would be a good price. Prob why they're offering low leases.
Leaf may get another model change according to Japanese media reports. 3rd generation Leaf is expected in late 2025 or early 2026.
Leaf isn't a high volume vehicle, so I think investments have been limited. It only sold about half a million units in the first 10 years of introduction after 2010. 2nd generation was introduced in 2017. 3rd gen some time in late 2025.
Nissan lost money in 2020 and 2021 due to factory closure in Russia and the pandemic, so they didn't real have the resources.
It depends where you live. If you're in Canada and earn more than the rebate you don't get the $5000 rebate from the Federal Government. If you're buying your second EV/Hybrid you don't get the $2000 provincial rebate either. Not sure if some states in the US have similar programs. Update: California looks like the highest rebate of $12,000, followed by Colorado at $8000. Other states don't offer as much or any rebate at all.
I really considered this deal but to drive from Denver up to summit county in colder temps on a single charge I feel like would give me anxiety. I expect to see a Loveland Trial video this winter!
For somebody doing plus or less than 50 miles per day moving to point A to B in a metropolitan town its perfect .
Anyone who's driven in an 80 Mi range EV knows that 149 miles is pretty good range. 147hp, five star nhtsa safety rating. A lot of people can get by on level 1 120 V charging, especially if you combine it with some public charging, ultimate is find an outlet at work.
If your insurance company is trying to work you, shop around. I've had EVS for almost 6 years insurance is comparable to gas cars. It's a good deal even at regular price
My daily commute for the last 15 years has been 5-10 miles per day. I almost bought one but I live in an ancient house and don't trust the current wiring to install a charger.
With your commute, 110-volt charging is probably adequate.
I would like to see a road trip series/video on this vehicle.
I'm wondering what these will sell for after the lease is up. With so many people in Colorado getting them will there be a glut of them on the used market in a few years driving the value down. The lack of battery temperature management already makes the lifespan of the battery a little sketchy so these may be a tough sell.
If you live at a place where temperatures go over 95 ofter DO NOT GET IT. Dc charging will never go over 20 KW/H. and if battery can overheat easily. I had temp bar go close to red just by going in an out the freeway a couple time in 30 mins.
Is it safe to park in a garage?
I own a Spark EV. 1/2 the range but with liquid cooling. I've never done a lease but otherwise it's an upgrade. LoL!! Unfortunately, the CHAdeMo to CCS adapter is $1000.00 and I live on a hill so snow tires/wheels will cost me more still.
Finally someone talks about the plug it comes with!!!! I been wanting to know what it comes with. An adapter?? 220 v plug as well. So does it plug into the chademo side or the one with the orange cover? If it’s using a 220 volt (dryer) plug connection it must be plug in on the chademo side right? I thought the side with the orange cover is level 1 only (110 volt regular plug)? The battery for this car should be cheap and easy to swap out if they are gonna keep it on the market. It will sell. I like it. But still too expensive for me. Btw does anyone have a leaf in central Texas? We get 100 degree days a lot here. How has it affected the battery degradation? And do they do replacements of the battery? How much are the batteries? You think they will still have batteries for these leafs in 10 years from now?
Level 1 and 2 use the same port. Chademo is level 3
There is no such thing as Level-3. They just call it DC Fast Charging. Swapping those battery packs in 10 years is anyone's guess. The 2nd generation leaf should be okay in Texas but don't push your luck with long trips.
@@petersachs764 level 3 and DC fast charging are the same thing. Level 3 is an actual term.
If they had added active cooling, and CCS charging.. I probably would have bought one.. But Chademo is useless, and it's HOT where I live.. so active cooling would be a requirement.
everything else is great.. its roomy, and has lots of storage.
Blows my mind that a choice of automotive technology could be rejected by people not because of engineering aspects, suitability for a particular purpose, etc... but because of _politics_.
As a conservative I agree. I absolutely hate the idea of tax credit subsidies and want them repealed, but I took them and bought a Tesla because it's a superior experience.
@@thedopplereffect00 Well, as a Center-Left person, I was thinking more of the "conservative" comments that EVs should be avoided because "Libruhl something something..." But hey, you do you :)
@@DavidHuffTexas not sure specifically what you are referring to. Here's something you'll hate though: I love that my EV runs on cheap coal and natural gas produced in the U.S. it's really hard for other conservatives to argue against that fact.
Um, it is people who are deciding to change automotive choices. So many people bought Teslas years ago. Even without incentives.
@@DavidHuffTexas David, you sound more center-right.
Can you guys do a video on nissan ariya ?
Just think if Nissan had put in just a little more effort over the last 14 years of the Leaf's life - after what must've been its groundbreaking development - and put in a little active cooling which'd help them put in a little more battery density - and you'd have an unexciting but still relevant cheap EV with 200+ miles range
Nice, you listen to Howard 100.
BaBaBooey, Hit em with the Hein!!!
That guy is still around?
@@volvo09 Yup, he's been at Sirius Satellite Radio since 1-9-06 and is paid around one million dollars per show.
I briefly looked into the longer range Leaf, but the combination of CHAdeMO and poor DC charging with a hot or cold battery turned me off. We are a 1 car family, so we need the car to be able to handle anything. Long commutes, road trips, anything. Looking at a Kona EV or maybe I'll wait for the EV3.
FedEx vehicles don’t have backup alerts, they use the horn. Delivery vehicles should have backup alerts, for safety reasons
And after hearing this. I'd still lease one in that deal. I am looking for a super cheap way to commute back and forth to work.
I'd keep my 2012 Jeep GC and get rid of my 2008 CRV.
Get a CCS to chademo adapter and try to road trip it.
Lease? Vs buy?
I actually like the Nissan Leaf just not the base model with the steel wheels I prefer aluminum wheels instead, I rented i Nissan Leaf at enterprise before I bought my Tesla model S
How is it $10 a month? At the local Nissan dealership it’s around $300 a month.
Great deal if your in Colorado
nothing can be as bad in range than the mx30... i wish we had cheap deals for new Leaf in Canada... used ones are going for exactly the same amount as used Konas, Niro EV, and Bolt.
Try my Spark EV. 😊
@@petersachs764The Spark EV is at least efficient, and quick.
And VW had the nerve to think they could market the ID.4 as a ‘modern Beetle’. I think the front range Nissan dealers just invented the modern Beetle!!
local VW Dealer is offering leases on the ID.4 Standard for $249 or the S for $299.
@@JimBronson Interesting. Both Leaf Plus + ID.4 Standard have 62kWh battery and both have about 210 mile ranges. If 3500 down, 229/mo lease for ID.4 standard.
@@daves1646 VW dealer offered it to me for $249 if I just signed over the title to my trade and paid the first monthly payment monthly payment on the lease. Trade is a 2010 Lincoln Navigator with 163K, they valued it on the papers as $1300, but who knows what they're calculating in the back of their minds.
Local Nissan dealer was offering $259 on a Leaf S (not plus) with 2100 down. Unless they go lower, the ID.4 is a better deal for me.
It would be a great option if the battery came with a 20 year warranty. I would only consider buying, leasing is too much of a pain in the ass, too many damage fees and mileage restrictions.
I suggest adding wireless android auto via the Motorola ma1. Cheap mod
So horrible at doing the job it was made for that my wife bought a new one when her job requirements changed.
The 2014 replaced my minivan. And I mean replaced. I can still stuff it full of stuff lol Kind of wish Nissan made a mini ute out of it. Don't like needing to tip trees over to carry them home, but I had to do that in the van too.
Still a great deal 👍
$500 down, $30.00 a month, 2 year lease, 10k miles per year. Go to Scomp Nissan, ask Malik Clark
149 miles? If y’all thought that was bad my cousin drives a 2023 mini cooper se with only 114 miles she literally has to take the bus at times….
I'd be okay with a new Nissan Leaf, unfortunately, I live in Ontario, Canada, and here they sell the Leaf for $52,000 new. Yes, there is a government rebate of $5,000 but that still means that you have to pay $47,000 for the Leaf, while a Toyota Corolla sells for $26,000; almost half the price of a new Leaf.
Don’t buy a Leaf south of the Mason Dixon line. Those batteries hate intense heat
Garage at work is perfect.
I live in Atlanta and my 2015 Leaf (owned since new) has been totally adequate basic transportation. No fear of the heat here. Arizona may be another story.
You need some edumucation. Ur ideas are not up to speed with today.
I remember a video talking to someone from Indonesia who had imported a cheap Leaf from Arizona. This was years ago, so not only did he get just 30 kilometers of range, there was hardly anywhere in Indonesia to charge it. He was saving for a battery replacement, because he loved the car.
Living in southeastern Brazil is so much cheaper... I'm always shocked when I see the USA cost of living
Don't the new Leaf's get 215 mile range? And, have battery cooling? Seems this is a 2022 model. And, not so cheap any more with normally being around $35K.
Just don't drive a Leaf if the outside temperature is above 90 degrees F and your battery will last a reasonable time.
Dual residency could fit the bill.
Under 50 miles round trip and you can charge at home every 3rd day.
How are you leasing any vehicle for 10.00 bucks a month?
If you're driving more than the range of this leaf you shouldn't have a lease...
12k mi/yr is 46 miles a day, 5 days a week.
so basically great car for someone with shorter commute....
Yes, a $10 a month lease, for only $120 a month
what else can you get new for $120 a month?
Things that needs to change for leaf for me is faster charging, active cooling, a solar panel for a top trim or added feature
2:13 but y’all didn’t buy that car, either.
Cut the crap. We need to know the overall operating expenses connected with an EV compared to ICE. Do this-
buy a new small ice sedan & a new same sedal in EV trim. Drive them both and calculate the expenses.
-purchase price differences
-fuel vs electricity
-maintenance expenses over like 20000mi or more
-insurance costs
-Grand Total out of pocket expenses for the life of the car
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10:25 why does he look so much like roman in this segment
Warning: weird comments below, even for TFL....
I love my leaf 5yrs in ! How does anyone like the chademo lol come see my interview by out spec studios 😉