This is award winning work! As I was watching, questions formed in my mind which you soon answered within minutes. It's like you were reading my mind. You have enhanced and elevated this game. Thanks for posting this.
I’m just happy to see anything related to KUF I just cleared all the campaigns a little while ago and just playing the post game since it lets you play most of the missions in the game with anyone. Still out here hoping for a remake
it unfortunately is the most mishandled series and I pray for even a spiritual successor. The "new" kuf game looks like an asset flip f2p mmo with no units which breaks my heart! Thanks for watching! Ill be streaming this game again sometime tis one of my favourites
Absolutely awesome to see a video like this for KUF! Feel like no one really talks about this game, let alone doing deep dives like this! Definitely gonna be checking out your deathless run~ Hope you some day are interested in doing a video like this or deathless run for Heroes too!
Thanks man! Very nice of you to say, it is one of my favourite games so always down to play it. I did dark legion deathless too but ive been a bit lazy with making a video on it haha
The english is pretty fine overall too! Most like Rupert, Regnier and even walden are great but a lot of em just sound bored haha Hugh for example haha but I do like the korean VA and put it on sometimes
One small thing to add to the Wyvern and Storm rider bit, and that's that Wyverns have a couple of other advantages over Storm riders. You mentioned that wyverns do poison, but didn't mention that most flyers are weak to it, so their anti-air is "slightly" better. Also, they don't have a need for the frontal skill, and take the same amount of melee and riding skill to unlock, so they're a little cheaper. Again, this doesn't mean they're good by any means, just less shit. If you really want to use one of these two just for the sake of doing so, use wyverns and just level their melee(riding doesn't seem to have much, if any, effect) and use them primarily as anti-air, cavalry catchers, and super scouts. If you are absolutely convinced you must ride the Storm, same strategy, just you'll have to waste 10 levels on a frontal skill that does not seem to do anything before you can pour everything into their melee. Otherwise, literally any other support unit is better.
Right on! I didnt know that about the SRiders, this game is FULL of those vague things like so many redundancies and even just incorrect information. Stuff like how they never describe that melee doesnt increase your damage only your health. I always figured riding increased the speed of the Sriders as that is what riding is supposed to do for cavalry as well as increase their turning speed. Frig just makes me want a remake even more, if I could buy into it I would! haha make the numbers matter.
Taming (Dark Forces) may be the damage modifier skill for the Dirigible, Swamp Mammoth, and Scorpion. Dark Elves double-heal in forest terrain with a Tree of Healing spell (healing tree auras may overlap). KUFH has an Urrukubar mission that requires Scorpions (similar to Lucretia's campaign).
I do not know if it was already said: but Ghouls can be moved to at least Niche if not usable. And for ONE SINGULAR MECHANIC! They have a self-destruct mechanic. You do not want to fight with ghouls you want to use the 0sp cost skill to shave off 1/25th of your unit's health and have them explode into an enemy. Every unit I have EVER done this to instantly dies. This means - if done right - they can be terrifying. You do not want them getting close cause it just means a Bomb is going to go off, and the unit they were about to fight is now just DEAD. Complete victory pts and everything. So unlike Paladins who stand around and do nothing - these guys clear out units VERY quickly if ignored.
Swanp mamaths are also killablle by explosion. I use my mortars on the smallest target area and it deletes mammaths. Also usually kills skorpions in a single volley.
It frustrate me to no end that of my three slots I need to take Archers(only way to deal with air effectively) and Cav(Only way to get EXP effectively). I will say one thing in favor of melee, Cav do more damage when charging a squad in melee so having your hero and a melee squad so your Cav can ping-pong to rack up SP is nice.
I know it would be nice if there are more reliable ways to deal with air, like ballistas are junk at shooting air too. I am a big melee spear guy so I would love melee to be way stronger, like being able to buy spears for your infantry with shields n stuff haha put me in coach! Im ready for kuf3 design!
So it seemed like a pretty common theme for human units to be ranked low due to Longbows just being all round better. How do you think the tier list would have changed if Longbows had been nerfed enough to necessitate using other units?
That is a good and challenging question. My first thought is maybe it is not that longbows are so good it is that everything else is so mediocre or bad. If infantry was more useful, more damage, maybe being able to use their officer abilities like you would yours or when the enemy uses them or maybe like an in combat ability like the orcs in Heroes would change the meta. You would think throwing a unit of knights against an enemy archer you could trust them to kill them while you are doing other stuff but it is not the case unfortunately. Maybe spearmen could more reliably hold off other units, or be effective against other large stuff like scorpions (which are apparently weak to frontal) and even mammoths. Maybe sappers could have a smoke screen ability in combat to help retreats or lower defences of enemy infantry. Stuff like that. Right now a lot of units just sit there to use their abilities or are just bad in combat. Nerfing ranged could make infantry more effective too but I am but a simple peasant and think they must have made those decisions for a reason? Maybe? haha
Greetings! First of all thank you so much for making Kingdom under Fire content as you have essnetially introduced me ot this gameand while I haven'tp ;ayed it msyelf yet - shame on me - it makes for a mainsty among my vidoes that I watch for fun! Second - is there any cahnce you are planning more content for Kingdom udner fire Crusaders and Heroes? Not only deathless but maybe a "revisited" series where you do a more classic playthrough fothe game and perhpas soem challenge runs? I would defintiely be interested in more content from someone who is clearly passionate about the game and knows waht he is doing like yourself :-) Thanks again and hae a nice day! :-)
Hey man thanks for watching and for the kind words! I definitely have more KuF stuff planned, I have to make 4 deathless vids (welp) and then might even try a casual playthrough of some heroes content even though I prefer crusaders :) The game is available on GOG.com and Steam for decent prices too you should definitely get your hands on it, its a classic for sure
@@Admiral_Iddy Also another thing. Jsut a suggestion, no poressure ofocurse. You have touched on tier lsit for player controlled heros in KuF. It is jsut an idea but maybe there is potential for more detialed one? FOr isntance, yo uare right that Gerald is veyr easy to use nad makes for a pretty good hero, but her is also fact aht he coems with human infantry squad which is WAY beter than Dark efl infantry but his officers are kind of meh. In contrast, Lucrecia may be worse in terms of her moveset but she comes wiht much better officers. THings like that.
I feel like we need a "Kingdom Under Fire 2 - what the hell happened?" video.. lol Felt like I was waiting 10 years for KuF II... only to learn it became an MMO?
@@walt_man i would love to but the game is gone to the aether of obscurity now so getting my own footage wouldnt be possible 😭 unless someone hosts a private server or somethin
@@robertharris6092 i still go ballista all the time for flavour they are a cool unit. And they absolutely shred mammoths! Catapults are fun too when they are not bumping into each other lol!
This is theory good I would however switch D. Calvary with Cav. Archers. Cav. Archers may not seam to weak att first but they are way weaker then normal archers making them a bad alternativ and D. Calvary is the ultimate healer it can heal anytime as long as they don't stand still in combat and they eran their own SP and more just wish they were stronger. Another thing is Wyvern, they are way better then storm riders for some reason and always win vs them.
Not entirely, due to how heroes changed the damage calculations from hits to tick over time it actually makes infantry worse haha the only new addition would be the elementals and those guys are traps I think, they are SO strong when the enemy uses em but whenever I tried to make em work would just be so underwhelming especially for the xp cost to create them. You are better off bringing more archers :)
Hey brother know I'm late but dang if this isn't just the perfect video I've ever wanted for this fairly niche game. I still have my chipped xbox I can play it on. Perhaps you could tier KUF Heroes as well?
@@SirTatManTat thanks for watching! I still have my og copy too but gog.com and steam are ok ways to play now however there are lots of bugs. There isnt a large difference with heroes! Unless you mean the heroes themselves but the elementals i would put in c tier, way too expensive and are a trap compared to how good they are when the ai uses them.
@@Admiral_Iddy Yea I had a feeling the elementals were kinda bad, that's fair. They were very cool when I was young tho! Watched your deathless KUF run too, big fan.
true true I actually used it in my deathless run of Gerald on the castle siege mission, but its a lot of SP to cast though and the instant healing of curatio is nice in a bind
@Admiral_Iddy Did you also buy the DLC of Kingdom under the fire crusade? I wanted to buy it, but I first should be competent enough to beat all the campaigns.
@@erikdekker1 its a whole new game although it should be classed as dlc really as it is the same engine and graphics but its well worth a buy, varies in difficulty but has BUGS like some major pathfinding bugs at time but there are mods for it as well. If you buy crusaders you should buy Heroes too
@Admiral_Iddy I beat the first campaign with Harald, I used archers & mortars, man I think mortars belong in S tier, the only problem is that they can't shoot support out of the air, but the damage they do to the enemy, while I am fighting in melee is sick as hell, lol.
well seeing as how they are only available in one mission of campaign without mods I didnt think it really worth talkin about, but if I was to place em....D, single entity slow flyer them archers just murder em ;) unless I am misremembering if you can use them in multiplayer I dont think I ever saw them when I played briefly but could be wrong!
Oh boy love me some KUF 'competitive' content. This game's a masterpiece, in 20 years I have yet to witness a game that comes close to the hybrid that KUF is.
Right?! Not even close, there are some similar but not campaign story focussed fantasy medieval. Mount n Blade i guess is the closest that I can think of? Maybe? Haha but man if someone got the rights to this or was making a spiritual successor Id invest hahah
@@Admiral_Iddy Yeah Mount & Blade is the only one that comes to mind, but even then as you said it's just a different thing. Baffling to see no one cares to buy the rights for KUF or simply make something similar nowadays. I guess something would make this hard to pull off? Even though I can't see any reason... Let's keep hoping for a spiritual successor!
@@raimo7310 absolutely! And amazed noone has copied this formula, it works for like any total war type game and shit if there was a way to invest or pitch to buy the rights im so in ahah UNITE! Summon the elector counts!
Dude I've been waiting for 19 years for someone to break this game down in detail like this. literally since i first played the demo disc lol.
Thanks! Hopefully the video was good for you, I may not be the highest authority on this games balance but I think I understand it a bit 😀
At least 19
This is award winning work! As I was watching, questions formed in my mind which you soon answered within minutes. It's like you were reading my mind. You have enhanced and elevated this game. Thanks for posting this.
Thanks so much! Check out my deathless video of kingdom under fire as well, that one Im pretty proud of
Just got back into this game. Played it as a kid. No wonder it was so freaking hard. I kept upping my infantry. Big help for this next playthrough
I’m just happy to see anything related to KUF I just cleared all the campaigns a little while ago and just playing the post game since it lets you play most of the missions in the game with anyone. Still out here hoping for a remake
it unfortunately is the most mishandled series and I pray for even a spiritual successor. The "new" kuf game looks like an asset flip f2p mmo with no units which breaks my heart! Thanks for watching! Ill be streaming this game again sometime tis one of my favourites
Absolutely awesome to see a video like this for KUF! Feel like no one really talks about this game, let alone doing deep dives like this! Definitely gonna be checking out your deathless run~
Hope you some day are interested in doing a video like this or deathless run for Heroes too!
Thanks man! Very nice of you to say, it is one of my favourite games so always down to play it. I did dark legion deathless too but ive been a bit lazy with making a video on it haha
The Korean voice acting is pretty gold; the Korean VA for Morene was some celebrity in South Korea.
The english is pretty fine overall too! Most like Rupert, Regnier and even walden are great but a lot of em just sound bored haha Hugh for example haha but I do like the korean VA and put it on sometimes
Favorite game hands down.
One small thing to add to the Wyvern and Storm rider bit, and that's that Wyverns have a couple of other advantages over Storm riders. You mentioned that wyverns do poison, but didn't mention that most flyers are weak to it, so their anti-air is "slightly" better. Also, they don't have a need for the frontal skill, and take the same amount of melee and riding skill to unlock, so they're a little cheaper.
Again, this doesn't mean they're good by any means, just less shit. If you really want to use one of these two just for the sake of doing so, use wyverns and just level their melee(riding doesn't seem to have much, if any, effect) and use them primarily as anti-air, cavalry catchers, and super scouts. If you are absolutely convinced you must ride the Storm, same strategy, just you'll have to waste 10 levels on a frontal skill that does not seem to do anything before you can pour everything into their melee. Otherwise, literally any other support unit is better.
Right on! I didnt know that about the SRiders, this game is FULL of those vague things like so many redundancies and even just incorrect information. Stuff like how they never describe that melee doesnt increase your damage only your health. I always figured riding increased the speed of the Sriders as that is what riding is supposed to do for cavalry as well as increase their turning speed. Frig just makes me want a remake even more, if I could buy into it I would! haha make the numbers matter.
Taming (Dark Forces) may be the damage modifier skill for the Dirigible, Swamp Mammoth, and Scorpion. Dark Elves double-heal in forest terrain with a Tree of Healing spell (healing tree auras may overlap).
KUFH has an Urrukubar mission that requires Scorpions (similar to Lucretia's campaign).
Oh dude let’s go didn’t expect this but so glad it’s here !
nice to see you making videos again!
Thanks man! More of a casual hobby for the moment but hoping to get back into making more content proper :)
I do not know if it was already said: but Ghouls can be moved to at least Niche if not usable. And for ONE SINGULAR MECHANIC!
They have a self-destruct mechanic. You do not want to fight with ghouls you want to use the 0sp cost skill to shave off 1/25th of your unit's health and have them explode into an enemy. Every unit I have EVER done this to instantly dies. This means - if done right - they can be terrifying. You do not want them getting close cause it just means a Bomb is going to go off, and the unit they were about to fight is now just DEAD. Complete victory pts and everything. So unlike Paladins who stand around and do nothing - these guys clear out units VERY quickly if ignored.
Swanp mamaths are also killablle by explosion. I use my mortars on the smallest target area and it deletes mammaths. Also usually kills skorpions in a single volley.
It frustrate me to no end that of my three slots I need to take Archers(only way to deal with air effectively) and Cav(Only way to get EXP effectively). I will say one thing in favor of melee, Cav do more damage when charging a squad in melee so having your hero and a melee squad so your Cav can ping-pong to rack up SP is nice.
I know it would be nice if there are more reliable ways to deal with air, like ballistas are junk at shooting air too. I am a big melee spear guy so I would love melee to be way stronger, like being able to buy spears for your infantry with shields n stuff haha put me in coach! Im ready for kuf3 design!
So it seemed like a pretty common theme for human units to be ranked low due to Longbows just being all round better.
How do you think the tier list would have changed if Longbows had been nerfed enough to necessitate using other units?
That is a good and challenging question. My first thought is maybe it is not that longbows are so good it is that everything else is so mediocre or bad. If infantry was more useful, more damage, maybe being able to use their officer abilities like you would yours or when the enemy uses them or maybe like an in combat ability like the orcs in Heroes would change the meta. You would think throwing a unit of knights against an enemy archer you could trust them to kill them while you are doing other stuff but it is not the case unfortunately. Maybe spearmen could more reliably hold off other units, or be effective against other large stuff like scorpions (which are apparently weak to frontal) and even mammoths. Maybe sappers could have a smoke screen ability in combat to help retreats or lower defences of enemy infantry. Stuff like that. Right now a lot of units just sit there to use their abilities or are just bad in combat. Nerfing ranged could make infantry more effective too but I am but a simple peasant and think they must have made those decisions for a reason? Maybe? haha
Greetings! First of all thank you so much for making Kingdom under Fire content as you have essnetially introduced me ot this gameand while I haven'tp ;ayed it msyelf yet - shame on me - it makes for a mainsty among my vidoes that I watch for fun! Second - is there any cahnce you are planning more content for Kingdom udner fire Crusaders and Heroes? Not only deathless but maybe a "revisited" series where you do a more classic playthrough fothe game and perhpas soem challenge runs? I would defintiely be interested in more content from someone who is clearly passionate about the game and knows waht he is doing like yourself :-) Thanks again and hae a nice day! :-)
Hey man thanks for watching and for the kind words! I definitely have more KuF stuff planned, I have to make 4 deathless vids (welp) and then might even try a casual playthrough of some heroes content even though I prefer crusaders :) The game is available on GOG.com and Steam for decent prices too you should definitely get your hands on it, its a classic for sure
Also check out my twitch all the vods from me playing kuf are on there for you to watch as well
@@Admiral_Iddy I'll make sure to take a look :-)
@@Admiral_Iddy Also another thing. Jsut a suggestion, no poressure ofocurse. You have touched on tier lsit for player controlled heros in KuF. It is jsut an idea but maybe there is potential for more detialed one? FOr isntance, yo uare right that Gerald is veyr easy to use nad makes for a pretty good hero, but her is also fact aht he coems with human infantry squad which is WAY beter than Dark efl infantry but his officers are kind of meh. In contrast, Lucrecia may be worse in terms of her moveset but she comes wiht much better officers. THings like that.
@@archerdk8506 I could see myself doing this sometimes, maybe after i beat heroes on stream i can do every hero at once
I feel like we need a "Kingdom Under Fire 2 - what the hell happened?" video.. lol Felt like I was waiting 10 years for KuF II... only to learn it became an MMO?
@@walt_man i would love to but the game is gone to the aether of obscurity now so getting my own footage wouldnt be possible 😭 unless someone hosts a private server or somethin
I usually go mortar + ballista on my human campaigns. Ballistas can kill air. But its slow as shit.
@@robertharris6092 i still go ballista all the time for flavour they are a cool unit. And they absolutely shred mammoths! Catapults are fun too when they are not bumping into each other lol!
This is theory good I would however switch D. Calvary with Cav. Archers. Cav. Archers may not seam to weak att first but they are way weaker then normal archers making them a bad alternativ and D. Calvary is the ultimate healer it can heal anytime as long as they don't stand still in combat and they eran their own SP and more just wish they were stronger. Another thing is Wyvern, they are way better then storm riders for some reason and always win vs them.
Thanks for doing this. Would you say that your list would be significantly different for Heroes?
Not entirely, due to how heroes changed the damage calculations from hits to tick over time it actually makes infantry worse haha the only new addition would be the elementals and those guys are traps I think, they are SO strong when the enemy uses em but whenever I tried to make em work would just be so underwhelming especially for the xp cost to create them. You are better off bringing more archers :)
I haven't played this game yet, but I really want to.
@@PatchWorkExe its on steam and gog! Its buggy but is the best way to play nowadays 😁
@@Admiral_Iddy Whoa, awesome, I figured it might be abandonware by now, that's cool! Good to know! I will try to pick it up.
Hey brother know I'm late but dang if this isn't just the perfect video I've ever wanted for this fairly niche game. I still have my chipped xbox I can play it on. Perhaps you could tier KUF Heroes as well?
@@SirTatManTat thanks for watching! I still have my og copy too but gog.com and steam are ok ways to play now however there are lots of bugs. There isnt a large difference with heroes! Unless you mean the heroes themselves but the elementals i would put in c tier, way too expensive and are a trap compared to how good they are when the ai uses them.
@@Admiral_Iddy Yea I had a feeling the elementals were kinda bad, that's fair. They were very cool when I was young tho!
Watched your deathless KUF run too, big fan.
The bless and heal spell from paladins is alright against ghouls
true true I actually used it in my deathless run of Gerald on the castle siege mission, but its a lot of SP to cast though and the instant healing of curatio is nice in a bind
true, like you said its very niche. I only used them once on the Kendal campaign. @@Admiral_Iddy
Now I understand why I never could finish the hard campaign, lol. I thought scorpions & Ghuls were good.
@@erikdekker1 haha they are a trap! Its all about cavalry and ranged in this game with 3 archers you can crush most campaigns
@Admiral_Iddy Did you also buy the DLC of Kingdom under the fire crusade? I wanted to buy it, but I first should be competent enough to beat all the campaigns.
@@erikdekker1 its a whole new game although it should be classed as dlc really as it is the same engine and graphics but its well worth a buy, varies in difficulty but has BUGS like some major pathfinding bugs at time but there are mods for it as well. If you buy crusaders you should buy Heroes too
@Admiral_Iddy I beat the first campaign with Harald, I used archers & mortars, man I think mortars belong in S tier, the only problem is that they can't shoot support out of the air, but the damage they do to the enemy, while I am fighting in melee is sick as hell, lol.
Battalons ?
@@kajolet i chose to omit them since they are campaign specific for one mission, but coolness factor is an S plus!
Also what about the battaloon and bone dragon ?
well seeing as how they are only available in one mission of campaign without mods I didnt think it really worth talkin about, but if I was to place em....D, single entity slow flyer them archers just murder em ;) unless I am misremembering if you can use them in multiplayer I dont think I ever saw them when I played briefly but could be wrong!
The encablossa units mulch them
Oh boy love me some KUF 'competitive' content. This game's a masterpiece, in 20 years I have yet to witness a game that comes close to the hybrid that KUF is.
Right?! Not even close, there are some similar but not campaign story focussed fantasy medieval. Mount n Blade i guess is the closest that I can think of? Maybe? Haha but man if someone got the rights to this or was making a spiritual successor Id invest hahah
@@Admiral_Iddy Yeah Mount & Blade is the only one that comes to mind, but even then as you said it's just a different thing. Baffling to see no one cares to buy the rights for KUF or simply make something similar nowadays. I guess something would make this hard to pull off? Even though I can't see any reason... Let's keep hoping for a spiritual successor!
@@raimo7310 absolutely! And amazed noone has copied this formula, it works for like any total war type game and shit if there was a way to invest or pitch to buy the rights im so in ahah UNITE! Summon the elector counts!
Neat.
Alex jones 😂 got me