@@justinb1488 It would take quite a few bottles to equal the price of a quality turbo kit, fuel system and tuning. A 250 shot with a progressive would be nuts on this combo.
@@justinb1488 Your take is 100% correct. I thought about this and came to the same conclusion. Plus I'd rather have 300 hp in boost vs nitrous, it's just easier on the engine. And I priced out a nice nitrous kit and for the nice stuff you end up having like 2k in a kit.
I'm into Motorcycle's two stroke 4 stroke like em all my son has autism when he was younger he was getting into the bikes with me I built 82 YZ 490 pretty stout I was showing it to my friends he was in the house once he heard it he come running out ask to go for a ride I had him ridding pw 80 stuff like that. So I said go get your helmet. I went to get mine my wife overheard my friends talking how bad ass this bike was. He had his helmet in his hands. Wife said come here whispered something in his ear. He wouldn't get on the bike with me never road with me again. Broke my heart. Bitch. I do 2nd gear snap wheeles for 150 feet set it down go around the corner of my flat track snap another one down the back straight. He squeel like a pig he say do it again dad.
Steve should design and build his own CNC ported heads for the BB chev, SB chev, LS as well as BB and SB Ford engines and release a head and cam package for all of the people who can't afford the awesome engines he had already designed. I think he would make a lot of cash with these packages. Just a thought. Awesome video BTW.
I don't know if I'm just in a different world, but I completely fail to see how a new cast iron block is not budget friendly. Why are LS guys so cheap? Junkyard crap is not budget friendly, it's a totally different scene.
@@andrewmontgomery1763 There are more people in the world with money these days, and many with that kind of fairly modes disposable income. All you have to do is go to the various racetracks and see what people run. Racing is expensive and many people seem to find the finances to go fast these days.
I just built one similar to that for my regular cab Silverado. It’s got Mamo 205 heads, ported TBSS intake and a 226/230 grind in it. It’s a daily driver so I didn’t want anything to wild. This motor has crazy throttle response and low end torque. Lots of fun on the street!!
You boys are smashing it. You could sit and make unobtainium all day for a living which has no relation to 99% of people. Love that you are covering the spectrum of stuff. Looking forward to seeing Kyle push his own project. Great team.
I really like watching holder and you guys as well he definitely has Plenty of Testing to back up His specs , I think over 600tq and over 600hp is a pretty Nice motor for a street Car daily deal maybe a 76/75 and be reliable as hell ✌️
Had a service call yesterday for a drag car i built years ago .Man had his boat engines out his big humdingers BBC with Pontiac big chefs head s and 16 /71 on 3 engine we have dont crazy work for this guy
Give us your peach. We'll squeeze what we can out of it without crushing it. That win ticket will feel better than any fuzz on your cheek. Hell yea brother.
I wasn't a LS fan until I bought a car with one in it and that was about 8 years ago. I wasn't against the ls at the time I just didn't know much about the engine. I agree 100% with the bang for the buck deal because it's an addiction.
@@TheTheomax exact same for me. I actually bought my wife an ls powered vehicle and fell in love with it. All I do is basic maintenance and it just keeps on going.
I agree. I am a fan of the LS, but they are in EVERYTHING these days. It's getting to the point where, if someone is running something other than an LS, it almost seems exotic.
Yeah...nothing fancy, just a garden-variety 408" LS, throws down 623hp/613ft lbs. Man, I wanna build my 2017 LS3 SS Sedan, with a motor like this !! Mid Range monster
Steve: Okay Kyle, you're doing this one..." Kyle: "Stab the keyboard" Epic line. Good job Kyle! Where's Dewey? ☹ No video is complete without a Dewey cameo. Cheers!
@@AB-80X Since we're splitting hairs, it was tap on the keyboard a few times... Thanks for staying on top of things as the earth can resume its rotation now. 😃
Making power in the LS is just too easy. This is a great build. The 613 ft-lbs shows the efficiency of the combo. Anything over 600 ft-lb out of 400-408ci is pretty damn good. If it was making 550ft-lb or so i'd be trying to figure out what is wrong.
How streetable is that cam? Was that a radical profile? I am interested in a +400cuin LS engine but would prefer a almost stock idle. With that in mind, how close can you get to that 600hp600tq?
I mean, id be interested in a proven SM heads/cam LS package or a "budget" short/long block but, the market is flooded with those already from enough places. The SM name alone would definitely sell them for sure. SM has their own niche and will most likely stick to that.
622 and 613 under 6000 rpm, on the street who needs more? No overheating, no boost leaks or ice buckets or expensive turbos, etc. This is a win win
That is the entry level hp to be competitive on the street... I'm riding around at that level and barely keeping up with most guys.
@@justinb1488 another 300hp is only an order from nitrous express away
@@picklefart at $75 a bottle these days for nitrous, i would opt for the turbo myself. But no matter what more is better!!
@@justinb1488 It would take quite a few bottles to equal the price of a quality turbo kit, fuel system and tuning. A 250 shot with a progressive would be nuts on this combo.
@@justinb1488 Your take is 100% correct. I thought about this and came to the same conclusion. Plus I'd rather have 300 hp in boost vs nitrous, it's just easier on the engine. And I priced out a nice nitrous kit and for the nice stuff you end up having like 2k in a kit.
You and Richard should have a budget build off collaboration. That would be epic.
Imagine going through Steve's scrap pile!
@@Rebar77_real get in line
Would be awesome but Steve is way above “budget” lol
with some clear defined rules about total cost I think it would a heck of a build off
@@Rebar77_real his trash pile is the entire comment sections treasure pile.
622 N/A is nothing to sneeze at....
Would make a seriously fun street car...
From a budget LS? That's a pretty awesome number!
Kyle getting a bit more comfortable in front of the camera. 😁👍
And tapping on the keyboard! 🤣🤣🤣
Steve Morris and Richard Holdner collaboration would be epic!
Morris has a business to run...
I'm glad you kept the tapping the keyboard in there... that was a funny dad and son moment
Man it so good to see feather an son I wish my son would help me .love it brother great content
For sure!,my son's not interested in cars. He'd rather play on his phone!
That's sad!
@@davidthompson245
Don't feel like you're alone. I haven't seen my son going on 22 years. He'd rather stay stuck up his mom's dress.
I'm into Motorcycle's two stroke 4 stroke like em all my son has autism when he was younger he was getting into the bikes with me I built 82 YZ 490 pretty stout I was showing it to my friends he was in the house once he heard it he come running out ask to go for a ride I had him ridding pw 80 stuff like that. So I said go get your helmet. I went to get mine my wife overheard my friends talking how bad ass this bike was. He had his helmet in his hands. Wife said come here whispered something in his ear. He wouldn't get on the bike with me never road with me again. Broke my heart. Bitch. I do 2nd gear snap wheeles for 150 feet set it down go around the corner of my flat track snap another one down the back straight. He squeel like a pig he say do it again dad.
Kyle is always doing a great job. Especially when he's tap, taping on the keyboard. 👍
Steve should design and build his own CNC ported heads for the BB chev, SB chev, LS as well as BB and SB Ford engines and release a head and cam package for all of the people who can't afford the awesome engines he had already designed. I think he would make a lot of cash with these packages. Just a thought. Awesome video BTW.
I love it, a non billet block build is budget to these guys and an aftermarket rotating assembly is top shelf to ole junkyard dog Richard lol.
Hey... Every budget is a budget, no matter if it's a hundred bucks, a million bucks, or a blank checkbook.
I don't know if I'm just in a different world, but I completely fail to see how a new cast iron block is not budget friendly. Why are LS guys so cheap?
Junkyard crap is not budget friendly, it's a totally different scene.
@@AB-80X because most people don’t have 10k of disposable income to put together an engine/car that likely won’t be practical lol
@@andrewmontgomery1763 There are more people in the world with money these days, and many with that kind of fairly modes disposable income. All you have to do is go to the various racetracks and see what people run. Racing is expensive and many people seem to find the finances to go fast these days.
@@AB-80X Why spend the money when an old used block will do just fine? Especially for an N/A application...not needed.
Getting this PR stuff down Kyle keep up the good work.
I just built one similar to that for my regular cab Silverado. It’s got Mamo 205 heads, ported TBSS intake and a 226/230 grind in it. It’s a daily driver so I didn’t want anything to wild. This motor has crazy throttle response and low end torque. Lots of fun on the street!!
Ahhhhhh Richard Holdner, a man of culture 👌🏻
Love to see Kyle's humor coming out and also the fun you guys are having doing all this at work.
Thanks Kyle, good job you should do more of these.
Awesome thanks for sharing, can't wait to see you install the new toy's
I enjoyed the video and thanks for sharing.
thnx for the shout out-But I would have Steve Morris build my motor! He knows a thing or two! and it does need boost
Wow. I would never have imagined Kyle be one for taking tap classes.😀
😂
Kyle & Steve, I gotta son m’self and love and appreciate your exchanges here - all terms of endearment, lol!!
You boys are smashing it. You could sit and make unobtainium all day for a living which has no relation to 99% of people. Love that you are covering the spectrum of stuff. Looking forward to seeing Kyle push his own project. Great team.
I would enjoy seeing more kyle on camera. And I really enjoy seeing the interactions between the two of you.
I enjoy watching both. Different genre of engines but really fun to watch.
This is what I’m doing. I love it!!!!
Heck yeah ! It’s awesome the growth your channel has had the past year
Awesome having the Jake sticker on the dyno window!
You should have a shirt that says "Boost fixes everything" on the front and "Boost breaks everything" on the back!
Neat stuff. Enjoyed watching 😎 👍
Old school vrs new school. I love it. And I mean father ways/talk compared to sons ways /talk. Lol.
Man, Kyle is totally a younger version of you Steve! Crazy
Richard puts out a lot of helpful info almost daily.
Neat I watch both you guys.
That torque curve would work well in my street truck! Budget is making me give up 44 cu in and a bunch of fancy parts, though.
No dyno pull voice over? Wooommmmp! Richard style
Great content thanks for sharing
Kyle the great keyboard tapper LOL!!
Awesome video. Thanks Steve.
Kyle is really doing great . Thanks for these videos , Steve and Kyle, much appreciated.
Awesome dyno #'s for a fun street set up
111👍's up Steve Morris thank you for sharing
That's a really nice street engine!
“Did you tap on the keyboard” 😂 I love it..
I really like watching holder and you guys as well he definitely has
Plenty of
Testing to back up
His specs , I think over 600tq and over 600hp is a pretty
Nice motor for a street
Car daily deal maybe a 76/75 and be reliable as hell ✌️
Bout to see if Richard's dyno is calibrated!
Westech... Not Richards...
Those are great numbers for an N/A
That was naturally aspirated,,? all the best to you and your loved ones
Nice work young man
The Jake's Performance sticker was my favorite part of the video. Still miss you buddy!
Kyle is awesome 😎 let's see more of him
that would make a great truck motor.
Pretty interesting as I recently subscribed to Richard. He does do a lot of cool different engine configuration testing.
I'd really like to see more in depth tuning laptop type stuff
Had a service call yesterday for a drag car i built years ago .Man had his boat engines out his big humdingers BBC with Pontiac big chefs head s and 16 /71 on 3 engine we have dont crazy work for this guy
Very nice
Sweet combination..although it is lacking boost!! Lol
Someone has to blame squirrels for the true Holdener channel experience. 🐿🐿🐿
But Richard puts boost to *EVERYTHING* eventually!
Give us your peach. We'll squeeze what we can out of it without crushing it. That win ticket will feel better than any fuzz on your cheek.
Hell yea brother.
I’ve never been an LS fan but it’s hard to argue against the bang for the buck they produce.
So why wouldn’t you be an LS fan
Being taken to gapplebees by a junkyard 4.8 with an ebay turbo.
I wasn't a LS fan until I bought a car with one in it and that was about 8 years ago. I wasn't against the ls at the time I just didn't know much about the engine. I agree 100% with the bang for the buck deal because it's an addiction.
@@TheTheomax exact same for me. I actually bought my wife an ls powered vehicle and fell in love with it. All I do is basic maintenance and it just keeps on going.
I agree. I am a fan of the LS, but they are in EVERYTHING these days. It's getting to the point where, if someone is running something other than an LS, it almost seems exotic.
Kyle Looks Exactly Like His Dad!!
I can hear them Money Makers singing in the background!! CNC LIFE
man thats pretty rad being NA..that would be fun on the street with a h pattern.
👍🏽🇺🇸👍🏽 nice motor
Kyle sounds and acts alot like his dad. He does a good job
Yeah...nothing fancy, just a garden-variety 408" LS, throws down 623hp/613ft lbs.
Man, I wanna build my 2017 LS3 SS Sedan, with a motor like this !!
Mid Range monster
That would be a brutal street engine.
Steve: Okay Kyle, you're doing this one..."
Kyle: "Stab the keyboard" Epic line.
Good job Kyle!
Where's Dewey? ☹ No video is complete without a Dewey cameo.
Cheers!
That was tap, not stab.
@@AB-80X Since we're splitting hairs, it was tap on the keyboard a few times... Thanks for staying on top of things as the earth can resume its rotation now. 😃
I need that in my daily pickup
Mr. Holdener’s great and all,
Was a big fan couple years back, but his dyno doesn’t go over 6500rpm.
Haha.
If I find a 6.0 block cheap enough this is the route I’m going. Built a 5.3 for turbo but not really trying to do that anymore
stout little combo Ya got there
Making power in the LS is just too easy. This is a great build. The 613 ft-lbs shows the efficiency of the combo. Anything over 600 ft-lb out of 400-408ci is pretty damn good. If it was making 550ft-lb or so i'd be trying to figure out what is wrong.
that should be on a t-shirt. boost fixes everything.... or blows it all up.
Steve have you thought of doing a freedom small block Chevy, ford. And dodge
This motor in a fox with a 150 shot will runs 9’s. That’s a good reliable engine. Everyone wants to race Dyno numbers.
Kyle looks so much like you .
Let's see some pics of a young Steve Morris.
What are the cam specs on the motor? What size cylinder heads on it 245? 235? 225?
Hell yeah add a Whipple and that would be the perfect daily driver
Crazy that you think this with a whipple is a daily driver…
Kool
AW chit! NOW were talkn !
Just a tap tap taparooo!
Need to drop a parts list in the description
I'm seeing an end to the sme, and seeing the roll out of Morris racing engines? Lol
How streetable is that cam? Was that a radical profile? I am interested in a +400cuin LS engine but would prefer a almost stock idle. With that in mind, how close can you get to that 600hp600tq?
"Just a little tap tap tappy tap."
Hell, I did not know your dyno registered such low numbers Kyle.😆
Keep taping the keyboard Kyle!
Why? Did it come apart?
Not in the cards but I would love to see a 1st Gen small block with 18° heads compared to the l.s. finish the debate for good
kinda a hard comparison. 700HP is 700HP
From a price standpoint it's a no brainer
@@picklefart depends on the power level. After a certain power level it's not gonna matter
That's not bad I'd put it in my fox .
Steve you need to do a video from your start in racing to now
Steve do you guys build budget LS engines at all? I think some of this budget stuff lately is pretty cool to see for a change.
I mean, id be interested in a proven SM heads/cam LS package or a "budget" short/long block but, the market is flooded with those already from enough places. The SM name alone would definitely sell them for sure.
SM has their own niche and will most likely stick to that.
@@BEANS-O-MATICtransmissions yes I agree with that. They have the SML and it is a total beast.
put the right cam in and take it out to 7000 plus and it will be closer to 700 Easley
Exactly, plenty left on the table - but depends on the application.
My daughter wants to know where the turbos?
Wonder if that one has a truck Norris cam?
More likely the 231/247 113 he always uses
I like when Kyle is on ! Obviously 😉
You guys need to collab
High horsepower N/A builds are far more impressive than boosted builds
I smell a collab
Would a Pro Volute do anything if added to the Throttle Body?
I bet it would.
I just hope it makes 620hp+....I'm building the exact same engine 🤣🤣🤣🤣