I THINK THAT NICKY IS MORE QUALIFIED THAN ANY OF US TO MAKE A COMMENT. HE IS A POLITICS GRADUATE AS WAS RICHIE!!......James is very well read and highlighted the plight of his parents when he was growing up. All are very well read. Witness their songs and lyrics; so those who criticise that they know nothing, make themselves look mildly comedic, and unqualified. I particularly like the way in which James explained how to look at things straightforwardly. Also the way in which Nick highlights the PEACEFUL ADVANTAGES OF EUROPE!!! These guys are excellent...........ACCEPT IT!!
They only want it to be easier to understand. The Government they were criticising was the Westminster Government. They sound like they would support Another Europe is Possible who are the left wing remainers but not Eurofanatics.
Maybe they are just said that it used to be an EEC or EC and after the Maastrict Treaty it became an EU with more powers and more involvement in national politics.
I was right that to the averge person the street, politics is just gotten so complicate, no one know what the hell is going on. These guys, have played in many parts of the world and can probably see what many can't?
I'm surprised there are so many on here that are still willing to vote for the same old same old. The reason I hear mainly that folk wont vote for a fringe party is that 'it's a wasted vote as they wont win'!! Doh! That's the only way to get change, and boy do we need that. My mates dad moans his ass off about Labour but still votes for them. Why? His anwer 'I've always voted Labour', wow, people like that shouldn't get a vote. Not one of us has had a say on the EU gravy train. What happened to democracy?
***** Most of the time they are angry at the wrong things. EU just ignored the UK's protest about not wanting a cap on banker bonuses, funny how UKIP don't mention that positive step forward against the bankers.
rockinchimp Do you know how much tax is earned off the Bankers Bonus's - granted its unjust, but capping there bonus aint going to solve anything it just means the gov gets less tax as they will just skim money off elsewhere and move to the states - sometimes the solutions are not so black and white - good luck.
IF we do leave the EU then the inevitable free trade deal will mean we will have to abide by ALL European law. Which will make fracking illegal and we will have to sort out our air pollution, which is currently the worst in Europe by far. It may also help us avoid TTIP and save our NHS. So it's not all bad, it may actually be the wisest move. And I wont tell you which way I voted. You'll only ignore the politics and call me racist. (See what I did there?!)
The Eu will still be around even when the UK votes to leave. The UK being so north of the equator & cold & wet mostly all year round needs to have a lower population, a self sufficient land, & not expecting the world to give a country it's goods in return for 'manufactured' currency called the £. Hitler is long dead, & in a globalised internet connected world the UK will be fine on its own. The definition of GDP is crazy when you consider the definition of Recession too together- it creates a basket case government spending currency on anything to offset the trade deficit. This country doesn't earn currency through trade, it relies on government 'bonds' swaps for currency with the BOE & other pyramid scheme central banks for it to pay over paid civil servants to spend money to stabilise & offset the trade deficit. It's not that complicated. No one really runs business's anymore. The UK is a granny state, the solely relies on central bank Casio credit (£currency) & freemason manipulation in economic data & accounting. The economics is so complicated & complex there is no world orditor of the books so it's easy to fraud the world. Near zero rates is a clue to my statement if you don't believe me. The UK is doomed to have a recession again, why? Because restructuring & free-market pressures will always prevail. A gold standard was a standard of morals accounting between humans. A debt based system is only ok under a one world order. That isn't here yet. The UK has huge problems. I hope I will be ok.
Get yourself an education in the lack on accountability. 19 years in a row the EU accounts have not been passed off by their own auditors. Stick to what you know.Dunning-Kruger effect?
Yes I'm from Bristol.The best city bar none.you can shove your Londons and the rest of them because they don't come close to Bristol.Admittedly the football has been Intersting of recent years but the Rugbys oak.City's going great guns at the moment .but still you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that but I hope you can also respect mine as obviously I'm a has been as well.
He's been gone for over 20(twenty) years.... so he wouldn't have a clue what's going on. Manics are not lost. Just fed-up and tired of it all (BREXIT) like the rest of us. We just want to live our own little lives as best we can. I don't give a stuff really if we're in or out as long as normal life is okay. Which it will be because that is what happens in Life. And always has done from Time IImmemorial.
Are you seriously telling the Manics, a band who are famous for writing politically-charged songs, shouldn't talk about politics? Are they only allowed to voice opinion through song?
@@JJ_Marriott Nicky has sensitive eyes. Me, I like the light on indoors even while at home and the sun is shining onto the side of the building and not through the windows.
@@lemsip207 I am the same as Nicky unfortunately and I am blessed with a mum who thinks sensory issues, Autism and ADHD isn't real and taking Asprin will it.
What does he know about politics any more than I do? Moving votes to Ukip if government have done a bad job is the weakest decision and only for losers as evidence shows.
Nicky Wire is talking about Europe being peaceful in 2014, yet we have had mass murder from Islamic terrorism in Paris, Brussels, Nice, Berlin, London, Manchester in the last 5 years , what part of that is peaceful. Please do not talk about Europe and peaceful it is anything but, attacks on Jews in France are on the rise. And so is radical Islam. It is sad when musicians that you respect greatly talk crap.
What he meant is that it is nice and peaceful where HE lives. and that HIS life has not been affected one iota. He couldn't give a damn about the average person.
There were the Troubles in Northern Ireland going on right until 1997 and that stabilised under John Major and brought to an end by Tony Blair and the Good Friday Agreement. But Jeremy Corbyn and Mo Mowlam had done a lot of work behind the scenes even when in opposition. Thatcher only inflamed the situation in Northern Ireland in the 80's.
Well they've been schooled in politics and life for over 30 years, and written the most intelligent lyrics I've ever known. Your contribution is 'Nothing wrong with voting for UKIP'! If you had a basic grasp of life in this country, you'd know what was wrong
merseybeast76 What makes you think I don't have a grasp of what is going on here in the UK? Fact of the matter is they have laughed off UKIP not long after they won a National Election. Deal with it. We are coming for all the parties.
Thomas Evans sorry to burst your bubble but I'd take the political opinion of someone with a politics degree and has travelled the world many times, over the opinion of a little bald fella who sympathises with UKIP policies. I mean UKIP! Why not just come out and admit you're probably racist?
There is something narcissistic with artists that considers themselves sophisticated and intellectual, like their opinions matter. Both of this guys talks very shallowly and pubertal. "Indie" artists are one of the most conformist and bourgeoisie people you can find, they all say the same things, just like court jesters in the medieval. They don't want to upset the boss and the masshuman society. Manic are a great band, but hallow and extremely boring and unintelligent when it comes to deeper questions concerning society. Kind of like bullies in the schoolyard, they see themselves are "superior" and a little bit more"thoughtful and better" then the common man. Being an artist is not the same as being an intellectual. Great entertainers yes, but when it comes to politics? Like teenage punks with mohawks who thinks they know everything.
You clearly know fuck all about the manics. Manics have always been a politically sophisticated band from their very inception with both Nicky and Richey being polities graduates. If you tolerate this is about the Spanish civil war for crying out loud. You don’t have a clue mate.
Have you ever listened to their lyrics. Most of their songs are fiercely, often brutally political. Why would they sing about that stuff and then not talk about it?
Nicky has a degree in politics so he has the right to speak out just like any other politics graduate. James grew up in the same street where Neil Kinnock had his constituency home. He became Labour leader when James was 14. These two are now both over 50 so are no longer teenage punks. You think they are shallow narcissists because you are projecting yourselves onto them.
You obviously disagree with the notion that any music can be both entertaing but also political. The Manics have always had sociopolitical commentary in their lyrics, including some of their biggest hits (eg. A Design for Life). So since you're not even a fan: what the fuck are you even doing here?
Having a degree in politics doesn't necessarily make you better qualified to talk about political issues than anyone else. That's a really lame comment. @@lemsip207
dunno why they're getting flack here, nothing said came across as particularly patronising or disagreeable in tone
whitedwarf13 Kippers aren't the most intelligent bunch.
Ukip voters, and the right generally, can't take criticism
I THINK THAT NICKY IS MORE QUALIFIED THAN ANY OF US TO MAKE A COMMENT. HE IS A POLITICS GRADUATE AS WAS RICHIE!!......James is very well read and highlighted the plight of his parents when he was growing up. All are very well read.
Witness their songs and lyrics; so those who criticise that they know nothing, make themselves look mildly comedic, and unqualified. I particularly like the way in which James explained how to look at things straightforwardly. Also the way in which Nick highlights the PEACEFUL ADVANTAGES OF EUROPE!!!
These guys are excellent...........ACCEPT IT!!
Nine years later, and how right they are.
They don't say anything controversial, its all pretty level headed and almost anti-Europe at times and yet they're getting flak from Kippers
They only want it to be easier to understand. The Government they were criticising was the Westminster Government. They sound like they would support Another Europe is Possible who are the left wing remainers but not Eurofanatics.
Maybe they are just said that it used to be an EEC or EC and after the Maastrict Treaty it became an EU with more powers and more involvement in national politics.
Stalin was also "deeply worryingly" to more than a few million Russians He wasn't right wing..
Spiny Norman For which Stalin could have & should have been stopped after WW2!
He was extremely left wing. Because of the horseshoe effect extremes of either are similar.
I must say, I agree far more with Nicky...
Thoughtful band.
I was right that to the averge person the street, politics is just gotten so complicate, no one know what the hell is going on. These guys, have played in many parts of the world and can probably see what many can't?
I'm surprised there are so many on here that are still willing to vote for the same old same old.
The reason I hear mainly that folk wont vote for a fringe party is that 'it's a wasted vote as they wont win'!!
Doh! That's the only way to get change, and boy do we need that.
My mates dad moans his ass off about Labour but still votes for them.
Why? His anwer 'I've always voted Labour', wow, people like that shouldn't get a vote.
Not one of us has had a say on the EU gravy train.
What happened to democracy?
UKIP keyboard warrior brigade is here...
They're insanely irritating in real life as well. So unbelievably touchy when their sacred party and the prophet of Nigel Farage is criticised.
***** Almost like a cult, would of thought if the party was as good as they say it is it wouldn't need defending...
rockinchimp
I'm willing to respect a UKIP voter the day I meet one who isn't so angry and bigoted.
***** Most of the time they are angry at the wrong things. EU just ignored the UK's protest about not wanting a cap on banker bonuses, funny how UKIP don't mention that positive step forward against the bankers.
rockinchimp
Do you know how much tax is earned off the Bankers Bonus's - granted its unjust, but capping there bonus aint going to solve anything it just means the gov gets less tax as they will just skim money off elsewhere and move to the states - sometimes the solutions are not so black and white - good luck.
love the manics but happy we are out of eu
You're a fucking idiot then who doesn't understand what's happened, and what is going to happen.
IF we do leave the EU then the inevitable free trade deal will mean we will have to abide by ALL European law. Which will make fracking illegal and we will have to sort out our air pollution, which is currently the worst in Europe by far. It may also help us avoid TTIP and save our NHS. So it's not all bad, it may actually be the wisest move. And I wont tell you which way I voted. You'll only ignore the politics and call me racist. (See what I did there?!)
oh yeah the pound's at its lowest value for decades, how fucking amazing
horselaverda still?? 😂 😂
And Scotland, Wales will be out the UK at one moment.
The Eu will still be around even when the UK votes to leave.
The UK being so north of the equator & cold & wet mostly all year round needs to have a lower population, a self sufficient land, & not expecting the world to give a country it's goods in return for 'manufactured' currency called the £.
Hitler is long dead, & in a globalised internet connected world the UK will be fine on its own.
The definition of GDP is crazy when you consider the definition of Recession too together- it creates a basket case government spending currency on anything to offset the trade deficit.
This country doesn't earn currency through trade, it relies on government 'bonds' swaps for currency with the BOE & other pyramid scheme central banks for it to pay over paid civil servants to spend money to stabilise & offset the trade deficit.
It's not that complicated.
No one really runs business's anymore. The UK is a granny state, the solely relies on central bank Casio credit (£currency) & freemason manipulation in economic data & accounting.
The economics is so complicated & complex there is no world orditor of the books so it's easy to fraud the world.
Near zero rates is a clue to my statement if you don't believe me.
The UK is doomed to have a recession again, why? Because restructuring & free-market pressures will always prevail.
A gold standard was a standard of morals accounting between humans. A debt based system is only ok under a one world order. That isn't here yet.
The UK has huge problems.
I hope I will be ok.
Holande communist? lfmao!
Get yourself an education in the lack on accountability. 19 years in a row the EU accounts have not been passed off by their own auditors. Stick to what you know.Dunning-Kruger effect?
Yes I'm from Bristol.The best city bar none.you can shove your Londons and the rest of them because they don't come close to Bristol.Admittedly the football has been Intersting of recent years but the Rugbys oak.City's going great guns at the moment .but still you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that but I hope you can also respect mine as obviously I'm a has been as well.
They are so lost without richey here
He's been gone for over 20(twenty) years.... so he wouldn't have a clue what's going on. Manics are not lost. Just fed-up and tired of it all (BREXIT) like the rest of us. We just want to live our own little lives as best we can. I don't give a stuff really if we're in or out as long as normal life is okay. Which it will be because that is what happens in Life. And always has done from Time IImmemorial.
Nah 23 years to be precise.Old Richey bags did know his political history though,and I dare say he would know what is currently going on...
You've clearly never read any of Richey's lyrics then hahahahaha
Wow. How about just playing?
Shut up and watch TV ;)
Are you seriously telling the Manics, a band who are famous for writing politically-charged songs, shouldn't talk about politics? Are they only allowed to voice opinion through song?
Sat with a dyed mop on, in doors with sunglasses on saying 'stay beautiful'? :)
Stay Beautiful is a Manics song and general slogan
You sound as bad as my mum going on about sunglasses in doors.
Some of us have sensory issues.
@@JJ_Marriott Nicky has sensitive eyes. Me, I like the light on indoors even while at home and the sun is shining onto the side of the building and not through the windows.
@@lemsip207 I am the same as Nicky unfortunately and I am blessed with a mum who thinks sensory issues, Autism and ADHD isn't real and taking Asprin will it.
As I said. Play please. Not our problem in Australia. We are good enough (like the Kiwis)
Nicky wire seems more of a lefty than JDB! I'm glad brexit won
Brexshit
I think that veing independent is all very well & good But you 've got to be able to deliver the goods & be able to produce your own!
@@zinniazinnia2145 Better than being ruled by German nobody’s
Nicky seems to be more socialist than James while James seems to be more socially liberal than Nicky.
@@lemsip207 Well I knew Richey was against political correctness. I don’t think they’re your typical Annoying woke lefty fruitcakes you get nowadays.
What does he know about politics any more than I do? Moving votes to Ukip if government have done a bad job is the weakest decision and only for losers as evidence shows.
Bloke's got a politics degree to be fair
Nicky Wire is talking about Europe being peaceful in 2014, yet we have had mass murder from Islamic terrorism in Paris, Brussels, Nice, Berlin, London, Manchester in the last 5 years , what part of that is peaceful. Please do not talk about Europe and peaceful it is anything but, attacks on Jews in France are on the rise. And so is radical Islam. It is sad when musicians that you respect greatly talk crap.
What he meant is that it is nice and peaceful where HE lives. and that HIS life has not been affected one iota. He couldn't give a damn about the average person.
He means peace BETWEEN European nations, you fucking gorp.
There were the Troubles in Northern Ireland going on right until 1997 and that stabilised under John Major and brought to an end by Tony Blair and the Good Friday Agreement. But Jeremy Corbyn and Mo Mowlam had done a lot of work behind the scenes even when in opposition. Thatcher only inflamed the situation in Northern Ireland in the 80's.
@@boyaintright3317 What about Northern Ireland? A civil war going on in the UK since 1969 right up until 1998. It only stablised under John Major.
All those you speak of happened post-2014.
I take it Islam hasn't reached Wales yet, then !!
peaceful..you been to athens recently ? idiots
i am sorry but we need to come out of europe we need are country back.
"our"
Nothing wrong with voting for UKIP.
They should stick to music as they obviously haven't got a Scooby Doo!
Well they've been schooled in politics and life for over 30 years, and written the most intelligent lyrics I've ever known. Your contribution is 'Nothing wrong with voting for UKIP'! If you had a basic grasp of life in this country, you'd know what was wrong
merseybeast76 What makes you think I don't have a grasp of what is going on here in the UK?
Fact of the matter is they have laughed off UKIP not long after they won a National Election.
Deal with it.
We are coming for all the parties.
Thomas Evans Nicky has a degree in politics.
UNITDW Shame he doesn't put it to good use then by saying something clever or useful.
Thomas Evans sorry to burst your bubble but I'd take the political opinion of someone with a politics degree and has travelled the world many times, over the opinion of a little bald fella who sympathises with UKIP policies. I mean UKIP! Why not just come out and admit you're probably racist?
There is something narcissistic with artists that considers themselves sophisticated and intellectual, like their opinions matter. Both of this guys talks very shallowly and pubertal. "Indie" artists are one of the most conformist and bourgeoisie people you can find, they all say the same things, just like court jesters in the medieval. They don't want to upset the boss and the masshuman society. Manic are a great band, but hallow and extremely boring and unintelligent when it comes to deeper questions concerning society.
Kind of like bullies in the schoolyard, they see themselves are "superior" and a little bit more"thoughtful and better" then the common man. Being an artist is not the same as being an intellectual.
Great entertainers yes, but when it comes to politics? Like teenage punks with mohawks who thinks they know everything.
You clearly know fuck all about the manics. Manics have always been a politically sophisticated band from their very inception with both Nicky and Richey being polities graduates. If you tolerate this is about the Spanish civil war for crying out loud. You don’t have a clue mate.
Have you ever listened to their lyrics. Most of their songs are fiercely, often brutally political. Why would they sing about that stuff and then not talk about it?
Nicky has a degree in politics so he has the right to speak out just like any other politics graduate. James grew up in the same street where Neil Kinnock had his constituency home. He became Labour leader when James was 14. These two are now both over 50 so are no longer teenage punks. You think they are shallow narcissists because you are projecting yourselves onto them.
You obviously disagree with the notion that any music can be both entertaing but also political. The Manics have always had sociopolitical commentary in their lyrics, including some of their biggest hits (eg. A Design for Life). So since you're not even a fan: what the fuck are you even doing here?
Having a degree in politics doesn't necessarily make you better qualified to talk about political issues than anyone else. That's a really lame comment. @@lemsip207
This is political hate and I just want to listen to music....