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Hi Thomas! My wife is pregnant so I’m looking for a premium suv between 40-60K with really comfortable ride over bumps and good noise insolation for motorways. Last week I tried lexus NX but I was hugely disappointed with noise insolation at 120km/h…
The price is absolutely insane 🤯 70k€... WTF ?!? For a mid diesel engine... Tiguan was one of the best SUV out there in Europe, always a bit pricey ok but for a great combo Price/equipment/quality/power. Now it's not anymore.
No, starting price for the new Tiguan is 37,000€ for a 1.5 eTSI (gas) or 41,500€ for the 2.0 TDI (diesel). Starting price for the R-line 2.0 TDI SCR 4MOTION is 56,000€ and 58,000€ for the plug-in hybrid 1.5 eHybrid version. It's a bit less than 70,000€ for a fully speced R-line.
The problem is the trend thats going on right now. Something new is coming out, so it must be more expensive than the previous generation. You can see this trend everywhere: cars, hardware, electronics, even groceries, everything is getting more and more expensive, whilst the (build)quality is rapidly going down.
Wait one year and get the Jahreswagen. I got my 2022 Tiguan Allspace R-Line for almost 40% less than the original price. It already has 36000km in it when I bought it but feels and drives like new.
Engine lineup 1.5 TSI 130 hp / 150 hp 9,1 s (both FWD) 2.0 TSI 204 hp AWD 2.0 TSI 265 hp AWD 1.5 TSI PHEV 204 hp 8,2 s / 272 hp 7,2 s (both FWD) 20 kWh net 2.0 TDI 150 hp FWD 2.0 TDI 193 hp AWD 7,7 s
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@thore8978 it's lost that more square, stancey look. It's alot more rounded, much more like the peugeots and other brands SUV's. The last 1 looked distinctive compared the other, "less premium" brands.
That's normal, all prices have gone up and this is the most expensive version of the car, the car has everything built in that the series offers, this car can keep up with any Audi, Mercedes or Bmw. that's okay.
@@thore8978 i guess there are always customers that will pay whatever companies want 🤣 Even Thomas was surprised over 70k... but u r behaving like its normal price lol.
@@simonrajh okay look; I have just configured the Peugot 3008, which now costs 59k euros with every option picked, but this is not a sports version (because there is none) without a glass roof, without an electric tailgate, without a cool wireless charging function etc. etc. The base model of the Tiguan is of course also significantly cheaper, the point is that everything is installed in the model shown.
Thanks for new video Thomas! I much prefer the prev generation, it looks more aggresive and blocky. I like the gave back real buttons on the steering wheel, now just to change back the AC controls. Also, the centre armrest looks so tacky for the price point. I don't understand how you can pay so much for a vehicle and it looks so bad. It doesn't even look like a premium vehicle. Rear AC control unit looks like installed into a cheap aliexpress middle console. The doors look cheap and nasty. My gf drives the previus gen 2.0Tsi and it looks way more premium than this!
You don't need to put everything in the car when buying new, thankfully they give you plenty of choices so the prices vary. Tiguan for 35.200€ is what we bought and couldn't be happier with how much stuff it comes with, very few cars in this class come near this unless they have a 1.2 three-cylinder garbage in them.
Two things. It looks ok but lacks VW DNA in the design. It looks much like 2014 Mitsubishi Outlander. Another thing is this enormous screen. It gets ridicules! Hope new NCAP regulations will bring buttons and dials (so much more ergonomic) and reduce slightly screen sizes. I think (my opinion only) something between 10 and 12 inches is the sweet spot. Presentation as always on the highest level. 👍
No the Porsche and all cars are becoming more expensive, in relative relationship it stays the same. The higher prices are due to CO2 policies & regulations, inflation and the fact that more and more features are becoming standard. Like with this new Tiguan it only comes with DCC (automatic gearing). That is a quite new development for Europe
@@mlohr1 I didn't doubt them becoming 'more' expensive. I pointed out that buying the specific one will require a fortune to do so. I'm European and I'm aware of what they do. In my country, the 911 range starts from €100.000, where as the average house price locally is around €280.000, which pretty much sums up what I wanted to point out
@@mlohr1 apart from the fact that most people don't need the DCC crap, unless they're some fancy "Fans" princess that wants to keep their bottom round when coming back to mom and dad on a very poor rural road. Many "optional" things that are included in the new cars are just useless, but make the car more expensive.
I’ve had my new Tiguan R Line for two weeks now. With the York 20inch alloys, keyless entry and power boot in dolphin grey. I absolutely love it! Interior quality is far better than the old shape, drives like a dream! Don’t understand all the hating comments honestly Vw have upped their game with the build quality (they needed too as they’ve been on a downward spiral over the years!)
Great video as always. I was surprised how quiet the cabin is while driving on the Autobahn especially with the TDI engine. 70,000 euros equals $76,000 US! That's amazing.
Thomas and Leah, I so enjoy your in depth reviews on new car’s. What I especially enjoy is when Thomas goes into great technical detailed analysis of the amazing technology and engineering of German car’s. In my opinion Germany makes the best cars in the world. I have been fortunate enough to have had 4 BMW’S cars over the years- superb cars- especially the 3 series. I have been on the autobahn at speed just INCREDIBLE! Anyway Excellent viewing guys.Thank you both.take care. 🇦🇺
Great review. You made me chuckle when you were talking about 'the colour gey was the most popular in Germany' and you're stood there in - gray trainers, grey pants and a gray top! 🤣👍
kia implementation for all smart and digital features is way better than most of European companies, just drove the kia Sorento and wow what a car for 2024 model
At 10:30 of the video Tomas mention a Tiguan not recognizing the key and applying brakes on the highway. Thank you Tomas that you have real reviews. My brand new Tiguan 1.5 Tsi 150 Hp, some times did not turn on with warning: Low 12 V Battery Voltage, and another electronic problem that i had: some safety systems like lane assist, ACC, Side Assist turned to yellow after having 2000 km. All above fixed with VW software upgrade from the local dealer, but i had to wait for weeks until the software released.I am scary to hear about the key recognition problem and braking problem on the highway,at least never happened to me. Other on that the car is very quiet with high insulation, has nice material quality, and has fantastic space for its 454 cm length and good driving ride. Also my average consumption is 6.4lt/100 km.
I enjoyed that, especially back to back with the Renault Rafale review. Both Tiguan and Rafale as reviewed have some kind of adaptive suspension. The Rafale also had the AW Steering. From memory the Rafale as reviewed cost somewhere between €50k and €60k, whereas this Tiguan costs €75k and is not even an EV with all that battery cost. I suspect I would hate the Rafale suspension which will be too Gallic for me, but the AW steering is quite a stunner at the price. We can quibble about the relative merits of each car’s looks, interiors, and UI/UX but I think VW needs to look quite hard at the Rafale.
Model Y is way way better fammily option Better price Bigger car Better performance More standard features Better Tech Ah, yes, this is why Model Y was No1 sales in 2023 in Europe, vw's home, and in entire world
Carmakers just can't get away from the piano black. I guess its meant to dazzle buyer on the showroom floor. But be warned, those covers don't take long before the get scratched and will look horrible.
Always a pleasure to watch your reviews, and Leah does an excellent job filming! You didn't ask for it, but the "park uhr" is called a "disque de stationnement" (parking disk) in French 😉
I'm sure it's a lot of work but Thomas has a pretty cool job: travelling with your girlfriend (fiancée) reviewing cars for a living! Also, it may just be the parasocial aspect of TH-cam but I find the way they interact quite adorable
Ideal Tiguan would be previous model front face, new model everywhere else and especially previous model pricing. Current pricing for vehicles has gone insane.
Hi Thomas, do you have any information back from VW about the "Key not in the car" issue? I saw report from one Tiguan's owner about the situation happened to him and I am a bit afraid of that. It looks like his car suddenly lost the power and the break become stiffer. I do not know how many units are affected but it looks very serious.
Thank you so much for your presentation, is highly appreciated especially that you take a critical approach in reviewing cars. Please let me know your opinion on what will be your pick between VW Tiguan and Renault Rafale. Please comment also on the insulation of the two cars and smoothness of the engine. thank you so much.
Cheers! Engine and Insulation is surely better with the Tiguan, if you want to pay the extra price. Rafale is consistently animal free in the interior what is very important to me
How are the vented massage seats? You have to be fair regarding the price, this is an R line with all specs. With BMW X1 you don’t even get adjustable rear seats and forget about vented seats with real massage function in X1, X2, X3, X4. So in fact, you get what you pay for. If you don’t want all these specs you can get a Tiguan for €40,000 as well.
JFC this car after conversion is 100k Canadian that is ludicrous, hopefully it's not that bad when they do bring it to North America and build it in mexico 😆
Thanks for the nice review! Keep up the good work. You should do an comperission with BMW X1 2024 vs VW Tiguan since the price from the VW Tiguan is around 70k
Not sure why you are so shocked with the price, because here in South Africa, the cost of a Tiguan R is around €55 000. Of course, this is a lot of money, but it's not far off what we currently pay for cars here in South Africa. 🇿🇦 Bare in mind that this is the previous generation Tiguan. Imagine how much the new Tiguan will be when it arrives in South Africa.
This is the R line…not the R….R Lines are about ZAR 800k with extras..€40 to 45 k…still a lot for us…The R is the top model you speak of… So this is super expensive….the reason he is shocked…. The 2.0tdi is no longer in Tiguan in SA…only inAudi Q5 which is about €65k here….plus extras…. Interesting to see what the prices will be… we have current model…amazing car….. As a %of wallet, cars are becoming insane in SA…hence all the Chinese cars…
@RovexHD nope...they have factories all over....Mercedes And VW have factories in South Africa..and many other countries ..is all about tax breaks and globalisation...If memory serves, the Touateg/Q7/Cayenne /Urus factory is in Hungary..1st gen Amarok was built in Argentina...2nd gen in South Africa ( at Ford plant) ..C class Mercedes for USA are built in South Africa too... Each manufacturer ( depending on volumes) will have plants in places like China and North America...... This is a fascinating industry and once one realises which Nissan/Dacia/Renaults are the same car or which VW/Audi/Skoda/Seat/Porsche/Ford are the same car it becomes obvious.. Here in South Africa we pay insanely high prices ( relative to our eranings and currency )on cars due to huge import duties that protect the local industry.. a VW Touareg is now more than a 2 bedroom apartment in most of the country ..
VW latest models to be honest are very ugly overall, including even Golf 8. They start to look like Toyata's. And now Toyata seems to be improving a bit, which is ironic. Also, all these, climate controls with swiping, instead of clicking, seems so cheap and unsafe.
Phev is a great option for UK company car driver ......the long elec range puts this in a low bracket only costing about £40 a month in company car tax @20% 👍👍
I remember years ago some manufacturers used to put felt on the underside of the front and back central consoles. Why would they let that unsightly plastic with their unsightly grooves exposed ? Reminds me of rear boots with uncovered metal omitting the felt lining.
I'm just wondering if I should get the DCC? I have it on my Golf R and use it a lot but don't know if it's worth the price in a Tiguan or is the normal suspension and chassis good enough and comparable to the comfort mode?
23:50 It's indeed tough pillow to swallow 😂 Joking aside, pricing is weird once again. During the pandemic there were literally 0 discounts, but now we are back to pre-pandemic discount mayhem. Quick example, few days ago I specced a M340 xdrive touring with lots of options, and since it is end of life etc, I got 28% discount of the configurator price. So list price can't be trusted, unless everyone starts doing it the Tesla way - the price is what you see in the configurator, no discounts. You may have a discount if you buy from available stock. But then again, humans like the feeling of "getting a deal", so manufacturers might be bumping the price, so they can offer discounts and actually sell the cars for the desired price that way.
Just because a car has an animal-free interior does not mean that it is automatically super climate-friendly and much better (and softer than leather...). Alternative materials and synthetic fabrics etc. contain a lot of chemicals and material mixes (including recycled materials, of course) - which doesn't mean that the new material can be (re-)recycled super well after its life cycle. Leather is very durable, natural and not always much less comfortable. Everyone should be able to make their own choice.
Thank you very much for your interest in this topic. I also bought cars with animal skin leather seats before I did my research and got to know the industry. The most important thing is: With today's modern materials, you have nothing to lose, just to gain. You achieve the same kind of luxury and comfort or even better while having the same or better durability with less impact on humans, animals and the environment. You can use fabric/cloth, microfibre or leatherette. The classic approach is using oil/plastic as source material. Overall, a vehicle contains about 300 kg plastic. A car seat needs about 5 kg plastic. So the overall plastic share for the seats is very low and it is at this moment the most efficient way to produce a car seat. A couple of litres of fuel equals a car seat basically. So if you want to save oil/plastic, rather look at consumption for energy, fuel and heating and to other car parts than the seat. Note that animal skin leather also always contains a plastic coating for durability. However, long-term we should of course find raw oil alternatives. So going further, seats can be made from recyclables (e.g. from PET-bottles or old fishing nets) or even increased share of plant-based materials (like pine oil, canola oil or start-up materials like Pinatex from pineapple leaves or Desertex from cactus fibre or the mixed-plant-based Mirum, so be seen at th-cam.com/video/S1aNZeoatmE/w-d-xo.html). On a calculation base, by ditching animal skin leather from car interiors, the amount of emissions (CO2e) is reduced by 85 (!) % (www.press.bmwgroup.com/africa-dom-easteurope/article/detail/T0403389EN/on-the-market-from-2023:-bmw-and-mini-models-with-vegan-interiors?language=en) - and that is a very conservative calculation. So it is at this moment the most important thing you can do to make car interiors more sustainable. A good example for high-end luxury with ventilated animal free seats is the BMW X7 with Sensafin: th-cam.com/video/1pRNkW9nrrw/w-d-xo.html And the Kia EV9 with plant-based oil share: th-cam.com/video/6vXePQi_MAk/w-d-xo.html New leatherette materials can be superior in every aspect, even for cleaning: th-cam.com/video/u94YXJ72UTA/w-d-xo.html More and more natural materials are rising: th-cam.com/video/nRSsXEnwHDo/w-d-xo.html Also check out what the animal skin leather industry tried to with our channel: th-cam.com/video/nP_CvLlaFlI/w-d-xo.html For seeing how the animals are being treated and transported in the global leather industry, watch this footage: th-cam.com/video/tkjCAmq1_8E/w-d-xo.html Note that the footage is genuine and was recorded by a highly decorated investigative journalist in Germany I know myself personally. Also a group of researchers and German journalists from public media could recent directly trace the connection between car animal leather production and illegal burning down Amazon rain forest: www.daserste.de/information/reportage-dokumentation/ard-story/videos/illegales-leder-video-100.html In a high animal skin grade, the animals are specifically raised for this matter. However even if meat is the "first" misuse case, the hide remains a profitable body part. That means: If manufacturers put animal leather in a car and you demand it as a customer, you give your money to an industry that earns money by oppressing humans, animals and harms the environment, you make them more profitable. Alternatively, you could support industries with your wallet which try to improve the sustainability of materials. Also, if you turn the argument around to "meat is the waste of the leather industry" you realize that it doesn't make sense (and is ethically doubtful) to discuss the primary use of individual body parts of mammals. Mind experiment: You are getting slain down on the street; would it matter to you if it was for your smartphone or for your purse? Remember that animal skin leather is no different to fur, fur is just leather where the hair is still on. And fur is widely not accepted for clothing anymore, and of course not for cars. We cannot change what we have bought in the past, but with more information and compassion we can change how we decide in the future. For a great insight into sustainability in the automotive industry, you can also check out our extensive documentary: th-cam.com/video/-8gNXlRGngA/w-d-xo.html
VW has a history of restricting higher SKU's to animal skin interiors, not allowing the customer to choose, even though VW offers non-animal skin seats for lower SKU's of the same model. Same with forcing the capacitive steering wheel buttons on some SKU's (e.g. R-line). There is not rhyme or reason for this, you can pick and choose almost every other option in the configurator.
Waiting for this in AUS and i bet it will be a fair bit cheaper here, because at euro70k /AU$110k , the r-line wouldn't sell here. AU$80k max. Current r-line 162tsi is about euro40k here. Incredible how VW's are always cheaper here, than in Germany.
Are AUS prices including VAT? Because in EU they are, in the US for example they're not, hence why they seem much cheaper. Though, to be fair, they're still cheaper in the US, even after adding tax, just not by that much 😅.
I need a little help before i buy my next car. Im between the BMW X1 2023 23d or the Tiguan R line 2024. If the price is the same, which one is a better buy? I like the new technology of Tiguan, the large screen and the new suspension technology. On the BMW i like the slightly more powerful engine and the design.
Great as always thomas! The Tiguan is way to expensive for what it is. You get a full packed Ford Kuga PHEV 2024 Model for 10k less and 20% pricedrop on top. VW is overrated imo.
Hello, I take only short Trips I had a Passat b8 diesel 2.0 150 PS And i just orderd 1.5 150 PS tiguan Is it underpowered ? They did not have it with 150 PS for test drive
650 liters of trunk space seems weird to me, I have a Golf VII Variant with 600 liters et and it seems way more spacious than this one. And it's pretty irritating that the letters on the trunk are not correctly aligned, especially with this price tag...
I kinda like the design, but the plastic door card top at 70K is just making fun of the customers. No way in hell is this worth that kind of money. Great review tho :)
I’m not clear on transmission. Is this Tiptronic? If so how do you shift should you want to downshift manually? It can’t be very easy with control on steering wheel as opposed to center console.
All the people complaining about 70k€ price tag need to understand that this is a fully specced R-Line version with the largest wheels, largest display, panorama roof, Trailer Assist etc. You can always get the base model that starts at 35k€ if you don't want those features.
The price is going to bury this restyling, sadly. Here in the UK you can get a top-spec XC60 hybrid which beats this car on most accounts but hybrid range, but costs £60k under Volvo Loan (50% down, 0% APR). Same as the top-spec Tiguan, at £59k but it's not even a fair comparison. And the engine pallet & lack of AWD on hybrid models is a huge miss.
The pricing is a bit crazy for a Tiguan. This isn't a luxury car from a luxury brand. It doesn't even offer a 3rd row for the high price. Can't imagine how much the Tayron will cost. Find it hard to justify the price when the facelifted Tucson and new Santa Fe exist with great interiors and value for money. The Santa Fe also offers a 3rd row for the same or lower price.
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00:00 Tiguan R-Line
01:15 Length and suspension
02:01 Light design
02:52 Trunk / boot
04:02 Interior quality
04:55 Seats and comfort
06:12 Cockpit
08:35 Storage and roof
10:45 Rear seats
12:57 Tiger plus Iguana
13:24 Engines
14:08 Autobahn acceleration
17:38 DCC Pro suspension
20:54 Tiguan vs Passat
22:43 Towing and pricing
#VWTiguan #Volkswagen
Engine lineup
1.5 TSI 130 hp / 150 hp 9,1 s (both FWD)
2.0 TSI 204 hp AWD
2.0 TSI 265 hp AWD
1.5 TSI PHEV 204 hp 8,2 s / 272 hp 7,2 s (both FWD)
20 kWh net
2.0 TDI 150 hp FWD
2.0 TDI 193 hp AWD 7,7 s
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Hi Thomas! My wife is pregnant so I’m looking for a premium suv between 40-60K with really comfortable ride over bumps and good noise insolation for motorways. Last week I tried lexus NX but I was hugely disappointed with noise insolation at 120km/h…
Hi Thomas , any information about Tiguan R , 333 hp ? Thank You.
Hi, What about turning off the engine while driving ? What the Dealer said ? I have the same problem
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The price is absolutely insane 🤯
70k€... WTF ?!?
For a mid diesel engine...
Tiguan was one of the best SUV out there in Europe, always a bit pricey ok but for a great combo Price/equipment/quality/power.
Now it's not anymore.
yep, more expensive than electric vehicles.
VW need to keep their shareholders happy somehow.
In Croatia, 1.5 eTSI Life Plus model with additional Winter package costs 37k. Just ordered one to replace my 6yrs old Kia Sportage.
No, starting price for the new Tiguan is 37,000€ for a 1.5 eTSI (gas) or 41,500€ for the 2.0 TDI (diesel). Starting price for the R-line 2.0 TDI SCR 4MOTION is 56,000€ and 58,000€ for the plug-in hybrid 1.5 eHybrid version. It's a bit less than 70,000€ for a fully speced R-line.
The problem is the trend thats going on right now. Something new is coming out, so it must be more expensive than the previous generation. You can see this trend everywhere: cars, hardware, electronics, even groceries, everything is getting more and more expensive, whilst the (build)quality is rapidly going down.
Wait one year and get the Jahreswagen. I got my 2022 Tiguan Allspace R-Line for almost 40% less than the original price. It already has 36000km in it when I bought it but feels and drives like new.
Engine lineup
1.5 TSI 130 hp / 150 hp 9,1 s (both FWD)
2.0 TSI 204 hp AWD
2.0 TSI 265 hp AWD
1.5 TSI PHEV 204 hp 8,2 s / 272 hp 7,2 s (both FWD)
20 kWh net
2.0 TDI 150 hp FWD
2.0 TDI 193 hp AWD 7,7 s
Only have the hybrids and 1,5 petrol e hybrids plus 1 x 2ltr tdi 150ps in the uk ... no awd or 2ltr petrols
Is it confirmed that the PHEV Tiguan will have 100+ km of range.
Wish the PHEV had AWD. Anyone know if that will be available later?
I'm failing to find the petrol 2.0 options even in the German configurator, so it seems like the only AWS option is the 2.0 Diesel, and that's it.
Without USB C for dashcam 😵💫 OMG
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I was happy with the tow bar demonstration assistant being in front of the camera!
A very congenial girl, indeed!
I prefer the older generation look. The older car looks more premium and has a presence. This design just screams cheap chinese EV
I thought exactly the same...
What exactly bothers you?
Chinese comment! Hahaha
@thore8978 it's lost that more square, stancey look. It's alot more rounded, much more like the peugeots and other brands SUV's. The last 1 looked distinctive compared the other, "less premium" brands.
@@Stimm002I still would take this much better aerodynamic and have that more manly shape just on my fridge
70k€ ?? Insane. 😢
A highly predicable lament for every car in every review regardless of type and class.
What did you say? 70k? No way! Excuse me guys, but what kind of price is that? For what?
That's normal, all prices have gone up and this is the most expensive version of the car, the car has everything built in that the series offers, this car can keep up with any Audi, Mercedes or Bmw. that's okay.
@@thore8978 This is NORMAL? Are you for real? Lol.
@@simonrajh show me a cheaper car with all this functions and such an engine.
@@thore8978 i guess there are always customers that will pay whatever companies want 🤣
Even Thomas was surprised over 70k... but u r behaving like its normal price lol.
@@simonrajh okay look; I have just configured the Peugot 3008, which now costs 59k euros with every option picked, but this is not a sports version (because there is none) without a glass roof, without an electric tailgate, without a cool wireless charging function etc. etc. The base model of the Tiguan is of course also significantly cheaper, the point is that everything is installed in the model shown.
Thanks for new video Thomas! I much prefer the prev generation, it looks more aggresive and blocky. I like the gave back real buttons on the steering wheel, now just to change back the AC controls. Also, the centre armrest looks so tacky for the price point. I don't understand how you can pay so much for a vehicle and it looks so bad. It doesn't even look like a premium vehicle.
Rear AC control unit looks like installed into a cheap aliexpress middle console. The doors look cheap and nasty. My gf drives the previus gen 2.0Tsi and it looks way more premium than this!
This is just madness.. Tiguan for 70k, Yaris Cross for 35k... Probably my next car will be bike
You don't need to put everything in the car when buying new, thankfully they give you plenty of choices so the prices vary.
Tiguan for 35.200€ is what we bought and couldn't be happier with how much stuff it comes with, very few cars in this class come near this unless they have a 1.2 three-cylinder garbage in them.
Two things. It looks ok but lacks VW DNA in the design. It looks much like 2014 Mitsubishi Outlander. Another thing is this enormous screen. It gets ridicules! Hope new NCAP regulations will bring buttons and dials (so much more ergonomic) and reduce slightly screen sizes. I think (my opinion only) something between 10 and 12 inches is the sweet spot.
Presentation as always on the highest level. 👍
The standard screen in the new Tiguan is 12,9 inch, which I also ordered. For most people the 15 inch is ridiculous
2014 Mitsubishi outlander? Get some glasses mate lmao
@@TheEchelon Look at the pictures and compare. Mate. They are not identical twins but...
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I was wondering if anyone else heard that.
Seriously, they made the Tiguan a bulkier ID3 asking for 70 thousand euros. I'm sure I can afford a base Porsche with this money. Great review though
No the Porsche and all cars are becoming more expensive, in relative relationship it stays the same. The higher prices are due to CO2 policies & regulations, inflation and the fact that more and more features are becoming standard. Like with this new Tiguan it only comes with DCC (automatic gearing). That is a quite new development for Europe
@@mlohr1 I didn't doubt them becoming 'more' expensive. I pointed out that buying the specific one will require a fortune to do so. I'm European and I'm aware of what they do. In my country, the 911 range starts from €100.000, where as the average house price locally is around €280.000, which pretty much sums up what I wanted to point out
@@mlohr1 apart from the fact that most people don't need the DCC crap, unless they're some fancy "Fans" princess that wants to keep their bottom round when coming back to mom and dad on a very poor rural road.
Many "optional" things that are included in the new cars are just useless, but make the car more expensive.
The older body design looked better. This looks like a Suzuki.
No way - stop smoking...
Good news, its still for sale, and cheaper.
I’ve had my new Tiguan R Line for two weeks now. With the York 20inch alloys, keyless entry and power boot in dolphin grey.
I absolutely love it! Interior quality is far better than the old shape, drives like a dream! Don’t understand all the hating comments honestly Vw have upped their game with the build quality (they needed too as they’ve been on a downward spiral over the years!)
Thanks for the feedback!
Great video as always. I was surprised how quiet the cabin is while driving on the Autobahn especially with the TDI engine. 70,000 euros equals $76,000 US! That's amazing.
Thomas and Leah, I so enjoy your in depth reviews on new car’s. What I especially enjoy is when Thomas goes into great technical detailed analysis of the amazing technology and engineering of German car’s. In my opinion Germany makes the best cars in the world. I have been fortunate enough to have had 4 BMW’S cars over the years- superb cars- especially the 3 series. I have been on the autobahn at speed just INCREDIBLE! Anyway Excellent viewing guys.Thank you both.take care. 🇦🇺
The equivalent of 70K Euros in Canada will get you a 2024 X3 M Competition. Why are prices insane everywhere!?
Inflation. And yes, it is everywhere. Not just cars.
Loaded SQ5 here in America.
@@burddog0792 crazy right!
Great review. You made me chuckle when you were talking about 'the colour gey was the most popular in Germany' and you're stood there in - gray trainers, grey pants and a gray top! 🤣👍
Great review as always Thomas! I love the information and the detail. Leah is an excellent assistant too, she’s the new 0-100kmh measuring standard! 😂
thanks m8 :)
If you have the opportunity, please make a quick review of the Tiguan with 2.0 tsi 265hp 👀
kia implementation for all smart and digital features is way better than most of European companies, just drove the kia Sorento and wow what a car for 2024 model
At 10:30 of the video Tomas mention a Tiguan not recognizing the key and applying brakes on the highway. Thank you Tomas that you have real reviews. My brand new Tiguan 1.5 Tsi 150 Hp, some times did not turn on with warning: Low 12 V Battery Voltage, and another electronic problem that i had: some safety systems like lane assist, ACC, Side Assist turned to yellow after having 2000 km. All above fixed with VW software upgrade from the local dealer, but i had to wait for weeks until the software released.I am scary to hear about the key recognition problem and braking problem on the highway,at least never happened to me. Other on that the car is very quiet with high insulation, has nice material quality, and has fantastic space for its 454 cm length and good driving ride. Also my average consumption is 6.4lt/100 km.
Thanks for the feedback!
who spent 70k for a tiguan should have a brain check😂
Welcome to 2024 bud, that’s just how new car prices are.
It’s not even a Tiguan R. The price is outrageous specially VW supposedly should be cheaper in EU
I enjoyed that, especially back to back with the Renault Rafale review.
Both Tiguan and Rafale as reviewed have some kind of adaptive suspension. The Rafale also had the AW Steering. From memory the Rafale as reviewed cost somewhere between €50k and €60k, whereas this Tiguan costs €75k and is not even an EV with all that battery cost. I suspect I would hate the Rafale suspension which will be too Gallic for me, but the AW steering is quite a stunner at the price. We can quibble about the relative merits of each car’s looks, interiors, and UI/UX but I think VW needs to look quite hard at the Rafale.
I definitely love that new little/midsize Crossover/SUV, Home-Run VW, just what you needed!
For anyone wondering. It is straight from Germany and bought there. My dad has one fully spec for 57K euros.
Car prices are ridiculous now ☹️, great review though again
I looking to expect 10 year financing any day now. Otherwise, no one will be able to afford them except the rich.
Leasing is the best option.
@@krane15 I don’t think they want us owning cars everything is going pay monthly 😕
@@RovexHD even monthly payments are getting crazy though for even small cars
I'm getting my new Tiguan R-line Tdi tomorrow. This review got me more hyped!
Model Y is way way better fammily option
Better price
Bigger car
Better performance
More standard features
Better Tech
Ah, yes, this is why Model Y was No1 sales in 2023 in Europe, vw's home, and in entire world
@@stefanconstantinescu1576 do you have any friends?😊
@@stefanconstantinescu1576Maybe better for you, for others it might not be.
@@iron_b0olt better for most Europe's buyers at least ( VAG' homeland - useless to say I previous had 2 Passats. But now VW are way way too expensive)
Im sure this new design will give Skoda sales a good boost.
70k its simply madness
7:40 Nobody mentions that the sliders can also be tapped to change the temperature precisely.
It doesn't matter.
I hate the big slab of black plastic that dominates the dashboard. Looks very cheap.
Carmakers just can't get away from the piano black. I guess its meant to dazzle buyer on the showroom floor. But be warned, those covers don't take long before the get scratched and will look horrible.
@@krane15
They could use varnished wood instead. It’s just a cheap option.
@@krane15 It doesn't even look good when it's new with no scratches, dust, and fingerprints.
70K 😳 no way, not for me!
Maybe Mazda CX-60.
Really sharp. The trailer ball is a great idea.
Always a pleasure to watch your reviews, and Leah does an excellent job filming! You didn't ask for it, but the "park uhr" is called a "disque de stationnement" (parking disk) in French 😉
I'm sure it's a lot of work but Thomas has a pretty cool job: travelling with your girlfriend (fiancée) reviewing cars for a living! Also, it may just be the parasocial aspect of TH-cam but I find the way they interact quite adorable
Ideal Tiguan would be previous model front face, new model everywhere else and especially previous model pricing. Current pricing for vehicles has gone insane.
I suppose is is going to be a good car. But, the design? And about pricing... no comment :-D
AMAZING CAR
What about turning off the engine while driving ? What the Dealer said ? I have the same problem.
Are you going to do a review of the updated Skoda Enyaq at some point Thomas? 😊
That price is absolutely insane. A fully loaded SQ5 would be less money here in America.
2:41 Surprised you didn't point out that misaligned badge.
At least 20% of the price in Europe is sales tax. That's why it's more expensive there.
@@AWMJoeyjoejoe Ok so only $60k USD, what a deal. You'll have to get a base model SQ5.
I get the key missing thing on my ten year old GTi (thankfully not while driving)- so weird! Sort it out VW!
The have a warehouse with 10 years worth of parts. You expect them to throw that away?
Hi Thomas, do you have any information back from VW about the "Key not in the car" issue? I saw report from one Tiguan's owner about the situation happened to him and I am a bit afraid of that. It looks like his car suddenly lost the power and the break become stiffer. I do not know how many units are affected but it looks very serious.
Thank you so much for your presentation, is highly appreciated especially that you take a critical approach in reviewing cars. Please let me know your opinion on what will be your pick between VW Tiguan and Renault Rafale. Please comment also on the insulation of the two cars and smoothness of the engine. thank you so much.
Cheers! Engine and Insulation is surely better with the Tiguan, if you want to pay the extra price. Rafale is consistently animal free in the interior what is very important to me
TIGUAN. BEST CAR
In the end, is the DCC Pro worth it?
What about the rattling reports regarding the DCC Pro, did you noticed anything?
€70000 is a joke
Im here for the lady🎉🎉🎉🎉
How are the vented massage seats?
You have to be fair regarding the price, this is an R line with all specs. With BMW X1 you don’t even get adjustable rear seats and forget about vented seats with real massage function in X1, X2, X3, X4. So in fact, you get what you pay for. If you don’t want all these specs you can get a Tiguan for €40,000 as well.
People don't get that or don't want to acknowledge it.
People want a tiguan for the price of a VW Up!
I want buttons, NOT touch!
JFC this car after conversion is 100k Canadian that is ludicrous, hopefully it's not that bad when they do bring it to North America and build it in mexico 😆
We don't get the higher model in Canada. It currently tops of at 48k for the r-line.
Thanks for the nice review! Keep up the good work.
You should do an comperission with BMW X1 2024 vs VW Tiguan since the price from the VW Tiguan is around 70k
Thanks! Yeah we could do that
Not sure why you are so shocked with the price, because here in South Africa, the cost of a Tiguan R is around €55 000. Of course, this is a lot of money, but it's not far off what we currently pay for cars here in South Africa. 🇿🇦 Bare in mind that this is the previous generation Tiguan. Imagine how much the new Tiguan will be when it arrives in South Africa.
This is the R line…not the R….R Lines are about ZAR 800k with extras..€40 to 45 k…still a lot for us…The R is the top model you speak of…
So this is super expensive….the reason he is shocked….
The 2.0tdi is no longer in Tiguan in SA…only inAudi Q5 which is about €65k here….plus extras….
Interesting to see what the prices will be… we have current model…amazing car…..
As a %of wallet, cars are becoming insane in SA…hence all the Chinese cars…
Do all German cars come from Europe, or are they built elsewhere.
@RovexHD nope...they have factories all over....Mercedes
And VW have factories in South Africa..and many other countries ..is all about tax breaks and globalisation...If memory serves, the Touateg/Q7/Cayenne /Urus factory is in Hungary..1st gen Amarok was built in Argentina...2nd gen in South Africa ( at Ford plant) ..C class Mercedes for USA are built in South Africa too...
Each manufacturer ( depending on volumes) will have plants in places like China and North America......
This is a fascinating industry and once one realises which Nissan/Dacia/Renaults are the same car or which VW/Audi/Skoda/Seat/Porsche/Ford are the same car it becomes obvious..
Here in South Africa we pay insanely high prices ( relative to our eranings and currency )on cars due to huge import duties that protect the local industry.. a VW Touareg is now more than a 2 bedroom apartment in most of the country ..
@@RovexHD There’s a major VW factory here in South Africa building some right hand drive models.
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VW latest models to be honest are very ugly overall, including even Golf 8. They start to look like Toyata's. And now Toyata seems to be improving a bit, which is ironic.
Also, all these, climate controls with swiping, instead of clicking, seems so cheap and unsafe.
Thomas, enjoyed watching your video, great review. Grüß von Charlotte, NC!
1:25 Why do you test the updated DCC pro adaptive suspension on the highway and not on bad roads or streets with cobblestones ?
on the tail lights, what effect...?
Phev is a great option for UK company car driver ......the long elec range puts this in a low bracket only costing about £40 a month in company car tax @20% 👍👍
the engine in the title would be nice instead of the equipment line but great video as always😊
I remember years ago some manufacturers used to put felt on the underside of the front and back central consoles. Why would they let that unsightly plastic with their unsightly grooves exposed ? Reminds me of rear boots with uncovered metal omitting the felt lining.
I'm just wondering if I should get the DCC?
I have it on my Golf R and use it a lot but don't know if it's worth the price in a Tiguan or is the normal suspension and chassis good enough and comparable to the comfort mode?
i would yeah
How is sound quality with Harman/Kardon option?
My golf 8 2024 also complains about key not being in the car… while driving or standing 🥲
Thomas - bring back our drinking Game, with the car length lol
Last model much better looking
What shoes are you wearing?
Thomas, would you pay 70k euro for this car? Yes or no.
Absolutely lovely
I think I’ll go into the felt covering business. 😊 Great review, thank you.
👍😁
23:50 It's indeed tough pillow to swallow 😂 Joking aside, pricing is weird once again. During the pandemic there were literally 0 discounts, but now we are back to pre-pandemic discount mayhem.
Quick example, few days ago I specced a M340 xdrive touring with lots of options, and since it is end of life etc, I got 28% discount of the configurator price. So list price can't be trusted, unless everyone starts doing it the Tesla way - the price is what you see in the configurator, no discounts. You may have a discount if you buy from available stock.
But then again, humans like the feeling of "getting a deal", so manufacturers might be bumping the price, so they can offer discounts and actually sell the cars for the desired price that way.
On the other hand, these insane list prices will likely discourage a lot of people from even visiting a dealership in the first place...
Just because a car has an animal-free interior does not mean that it is automatically super climate-friendly and much better (and softer than leather...). Alternative materials and synthetic fabrics etc. contain a lot of chemicals and material mixes (including recycled materials, of course) - which doesn't mean that the new material can be (re-)recycled super well after its life cycle. Leather is very durable, natural and not always much less comfortable. Everyone should be able to make their own choice.
Thomas is an animal rights advocate. Don't get him started.
Real leather hide is always heavily treated.
Thank you very much for your interest in this topic. I also bought cars with animal skin leather seats before I did my research and got to know the industry. The most important thing is: With today's modern materials, you have nothing to lose, just to gain. You achieve the same kind of luxury and comfort or even better while having the same or better durability with less impact on humans, animals and the environment.
You can use fabric/cloth, microfibre or leatherette. The classic approach is using oil/plastic as source material. Overall, a vehicle contains about 300 kg plastic. A car seat needs about 5 kg plastic. So the overall plastic share for the seats is very low and it is at this moment the most efficient way to produce a car seat. A couple of litres of fuel equals a car seat basically. So if you want to save oil/plastic, rather look at consumption for energy, fuel and heating and to other car parts than the seat. Note that animal skin leather also always contains a plastic coating for durability. However, long-term we should of course find raw oil alternatives. So going further, seats can be made from recyclables (e.g. from PET-bottles or old fishing nets) or even increased share of plant-based materials (like pine oil, canola oil or start-up materials like Pinatex from pineapple leaves or Desertex from cactus fibre or the mixed-plant-based Mirum, so be seen at th-cam.com/video/S1aNZeoatmE/w-d-xo.html). On a calculation base, by ditching animal skin leather from car interiors, the amount of emissions (CO2e) is reduced by 85 (!) % (www.press.bmwgroup.com/africa-dom-easteurope/article/detail/T0403389EN/on-the-market-from-2023:-bmw-and-mini-models-with-vegan-interiors?language=en) - and that is a very conservative calculation. So it is at this moment the most important thing you can do to make car interiors more sustainable.
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In a high animal skin grade, the animals are specifically raised for this matter. However even if meat is the "first" misuse case, the hide remains a profitable body part. That means: If manufacturers put animal leather in a car and you demand it as a customer, you give your money to an industry that earns money by oppressing humans, animals and harms the environment, you make them more profitable. Alternatively, you could support industries with your wallet which try to improve the sustainability of materials. Also, if you turn the argument around to "meat is the waste of the leather industry" you realize that it doesn't make sense (and is ethically doubtful) to discuss the primary use of individual body parts of mammals. Mind experiment: You are getting slain down on the street; would it matter to you if it was for your smartphone or for your purse? Remember that animal skin leather is no different to fur, fur is just leather where the hair is still on. And fur is widely not accepted for clothing anymore, and of course not for cars.
We cannot change what we have bought in the past, but with more information and compassion we can change how we decide in the future.
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VW has a history of restricting higher SKU's to animal skin interiors, not allowing the customer to choose, even though VW offers non-animal skin seats for lower SKU's of the same model. Same with forcing the capacitive steering wheel buttons on some SKU's (e.g. R-line). There is not rhyme or reason for this, you can pick and choose almost every other option in the configurator.
Waiting for this in AUS and i bet it will be a fair bit cheaper here, because at euro70k /AU$110k , the r-line wouldn't sell here. AU$80k max. Current r-line 162tsi is about euro40k here. Incredible how VW's are always cheaper here, than in Germany.
Are AUS prices including VAT? Because in EU they are, in the US for example they're not, hence why they seem much cheaper. Though, to be fair, they're still cheaper in the US, even after adding tax, just not by that much 😅.
I need a little help before i buy my next car. Im between the BMW X1 2023 23d or the Tiguan R line 2024. If the price is the same, which one is a better buy? I like the new technology of Tiguan, the large screen and the new suspension technology. On the BMW i like the slightly more powerful engine and the design.
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@@autogefuehl i have already watched that video but i saw no mention of Tiguan.
Considering current reliability and software status, i d tend to the X1
A Tiguan in boring Grey.
The average Germans dream car.
Climate control knob and/or buttons should be compulsory. It's downright dangerous to have to stare at a screen to demist the windscreen. 😮
Great as always thomas! The Tiguan is way to expensive for what it is. You get a full packed Ford Kuga PHEV 2024 Model for 10k less and 20% pricedrop on top. VW is overrated imo.
Its not overrated. You get what's expected. It is overpriced, however. But someone says that about every car in ever car review.
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I had a Passat b8 diesel 2.0 150 PS
And i just orderd 1.5 150 PS tiguan
Is it underpowered ?
They did not have it with 150 PS for test drive
well the acceleration figures of the two different 150 hp engines are pretty similar
650 liters of trunk space seems weird to me, I have a Golf VII Variant with 600 liters et and it seems way more spacious than this one. And it's pretty irritating that the letters on the trunk are not correctly aligned, especially with this price tag...
I kinda like the design, but the plastic door card top at 70K is just making fun of the customers. No way in hell is this worth that kind of money. Great review tho :)
I’m not clear on transmission. Is this Tiptronic? If so how do you shift should you want to downshift manually? It can’t be very easy with control on steering wheel as opposed to center console.
Manuals are dead and they're not coming back. Maybe you mean paddles which are gimmicks.
DSG you can manually shift with the paddles on the steering wheel
Thank you.
They call it a feature not a fault 😂 if you complain.
Thanks Thomas for another great video but please pay attention to what Leah tells you 😊
German car with a Chinese design
The Chines is the world's fastest growing car market. Can you blame them?
@@krane15
I can't it's just my impression about the design of the car It looks like they are targeting the Chinese market mostly
Thanks Thomas!
Lovely car 🤩
Lovely car. Btw, in NL we also have the blue parking card
Are Vw over pricing their ice cars to compensate for the losses on their electric cars ?
How does this compare to x1?
All the people complaining about 70k€ price tag need to understand that this is a fully specced R-Line version with the largest wheels, largest display, panorama roof, Trailer Assist etc.
You can always get the base model that starts at 35k€ if you don't want those features.
Those wheels look hideous. I say a Gen 1 Tiguan in the supermarket parking lot and it had nice 5-spoke (center recessed) wheels, the I like.
You can get most of these features for 30% less in Korean competitors.
That money gets a fully spec'd SQ5 here in America.
Lea opinion matters! 😁
I thought 70000 Euros was an April Fool day joke but the video is not released on 1st April
9:08 Parking disc
Took this model for a test drive. Utterly underwhelmed, went with BMW instead.
70k! In that way, Chinese cars will dominate the market real soon...
It looks like that it’s a good deal to buy the all new Tiguan.❤
The price is going to bury this restyling, sadly.
Here in the UK you can get a top-spec XC60 hybrid which beats this car on most accounts but hybrid range, but costs £60k under Volvo Loan (50% down, 0% APR). Same as the top-spec Tiguan, at £59k but it's not even a fair comparison. And the engine pallet & lack of AWD on hybrid models is a huge miss.
The pricing is a bit crazy for a Tiguan. This isn't a luxury car from a luxury brand. It doesn't even offer a 3rd row for the high price. Can't imagine how much the Tayron will cost.
Find it hard to justify the price when the facelifted Tucson and new Santa Fe exist with great interiors and value for money. The Santa Fe also offers a 3rd row for the same or lower price.
I'm not a fan of cars with "sporty" packages to have hidden exhausts.......