HOW TO: INSTALL OIL CATCH CAN INTAKE TURBO DIESEL GAS PAJERO SHOGUN DELICA L200 L400 MITSUBISHI
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- Installing a new oil catch can. UPDATE: If you use the catch can in this video DO NOT pack the baffle. Do NOT use the smaller aluminum tube adapters included. This engine does NOT like valve cover breathing restrictions. After few months of use, it's clear that this can is really too small for an older diesel...particularly one that's turbo charged and larger than 2 liters.
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Doing either of these creates restrictions and causes buildup of crankcase pressure. Kit included all tubes, fittings and mounting hardware. Optional items are breather filter, oil level dipstick, drain valve and baffle / media pre-filter canister. In this video, I attempt to explain which options to pay extra for and others to avoid entirely. Thanks in advance and please like, share and SUBSCRIBE! Happy Motoring!
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You do realise you changing the diameter of the OEM piping just to fit it to the catch can is causing excessive crankcase pressure. The crank case ventilation system needs the vaccum caused by the turbo at the pre-turbo inlet to suck positive crank case pressure out of the engine. Excessive crank case pressure over time will cause more wear to your bottom end, cause your oil to sludge with unburnt fuel and could blow out your crank seals and cause oil leaks. It can also make it difficult for your engine to start because of the extra pressure behind the cylinders. Venting it to atmosphere also causes this because there is no vaccum sucking out the pressure I suggest getting a catch can with the same diameter inlet as your rocker cover outlet silcone hose so there is no restriction. Im a level 4 heavy diesel engineer by trade and also own a gen 2 pajero so im just trying to help out but i love your side mount intercooler!.
MUCH respect. Thanks for this. The plastic adapter piece that connects the manifold tube into the fat, rubber intake/turbo tube is smaller in inside diameter than the cheapy plastic hoses included in this kit. The biggest mistake was packing the small top canister with steel wool. This DID block pressure relief and DID cause oil leaks from the oil pan.
However, in NO VIDEO have I heard discussion of 'needed' suction from the turbo to pull these gasses out of the engine.
Right now, I am simply venting to atmosphere, as I cleaned my entire intake system and don't want it oil-coated anew.
@@offgridislandfamily Yeah man I suggest getting a catch can with that larger diameter. The principle of the catch can is still good. You just cant modify the flow. Hopefully the info helps.
@@deathofantarctica5369 what's the oil catch can for?
@@deathofantarctica5369 so it is better to not using catch can instead of using the standard hose direct from the engine to the pre turbo pipe? Is it safe for the engine if the excess oil and the gas blow by come in to the turbo to be used again? Im using 4N15 diesel engine (new pajero sport gen 3) by the way, and using cusco oil catch tank
Hey, I cut my PCV tube and put hose on the OUTSIDE of cut ends (and catch can in between). Width didn't change, in fact, it got little larger, but the hoses are quite long. Will that have negative impact?
The black baffle is two parts. You can unscrew it to open it up and then fill it with the steel wool and screw it back together. That is what I did with mine. The line you showed is where it screws together. You will need a multigrip or large pliers to unscrew it the first time. It is easier after that to unscrew. You don't need to destroy it like you did 😊
Normally, you would be correct. However, this one is a cheap copy. Usable, but not as well manufactured. The canister does not unscrew, but is made to look like the expensive ones which do, with a fake 'seam'. The end 'cap' is glued on. ;-)
@@offgridislandfamily I bought the exact same one of eBay. Mine unscrews but it did take a bit of effort to get it off the first time. At first I thoyght it was glued together but it did come apart and unscrewed. But all good, maybe yours is different.
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Yeah. Went to Angeles, then Subic, back to Angeles, then back to Bulacan. ;-)
I have the same one. Took the filter off the top and capped it. Drilled and tapped the bottom for a drain out valve... Mostly BC it was a pain to mount and now I have a little brass tap drain out the bottom
Yes. I paid for the one with all the options...that top filter (useless), the oil level dipstick and the brass drain valve on the bottom. Did you fill your 'baffle' canister with any filter media?
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Which is better? At beginning or end?
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I have just putted a hose and vented PCV to atmosphere, I dont care about oil dripping on the ground, but how to deal with the smoke, because the smoke can be seen comming out from the bonnet. Any idea how to diffuse the smoke, does adding filter media like aluminium mesh filter helps in smoke ?
A filter won't reduce the smoke. Mine does the same as you describe. To hide this (as a welder) I am considering welding a small tube that ports into the exhaust, but not sure that's a great idea either.
Please be SURE to read the pinned post at the top, from 'Death Of Antarctica'. I think it's the best overview of this discussion and I concede to his experience on this. I'm not sure how I will resolve this issue myself. For now, I am ok just venting the pressure.
If / When I have an updated solution, I will post a video for sure. Thanks for the questions and subscribing!
Did you remove the baffle thing inside completely? I have the same and feel it’s restrictive compared to just having no can at all. Thinking of just removing the baffle thing and getting a larger diameter hose so it’s not so restrictive
YEP! I think in the video description, I updated saying DO NOT use this style of can. Far too small and restrictive. I think I also posted a link for the better model, which I plan to install after I get several other issues resolved. Right…don’t use this can at all. Cheers and thanks for the question!
Two things first ptfe tape should be applied by twisting the fitting the same direction used to tighten it. Second did you see the fine steel wool dust on you fingers after expanding it. That metal dust is going to be pulled into your engine. Recommend buying a oil catch with solid brass filter.
Yeah. Lots of lessons learned on this one! ;-)
@@offgridislandfamily what's the oil catch can for?
@@magnumllama400 I tried to explain that pretty well in the video. ;--) The engine creates an 'exhaust' of unburnt gasses, oil vapors and perhaps unburnt fuel from the valve cover. These coat the intake system, including the intercooler, reducing efficiency and thus....power.
@@magnumllama400 The engine produces a combination of unburnt fuel, particles and oil, which are sent from the valve cover and coat the intake system, including the intercooler, which significantly reduces its cooling efficiency and thus, power. The catch can is intended to collect these are remove or reduce them from the system.
@@magnumllama400 I've written two very detailed responses and TH-cam fails to save them. Please listen in the video. I think I explain it sort of well.
Very helpful
Always very glad to hear that a video was able to assist another greaser. ;-)
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Thanks VERY much for that!
@@offgridislandfamily actually I was looking for this catch can and your video showed up so thanks for the info I ordered mine at American trucks for my F 150
Nice vid. I just installed occ in my Fieldmaster. I kind of regret not making video about it. Hahaha
Never too late. What do you have planned next?
@@offgridislandfamily prob, cleaning the intercooler. if i can see someone do it from their 4m40, prob it will be easier for me. haha
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And wanted to say nice content. You helped me alot with my 4m40.
How is your fuel usage kmp/L?
Thanks again for commenting,..very appreciated! I spent the past 20 years in France where diesel was about 100 Pesos per liter. So, now that I am paying 35-40 Pesos per liter, I don't pay much attention. However, I feel that it's very good...I would guess around 10 liters / 100 kms. Thanks again!
Why did you put the catchcan filter on the turbo intake?
The dust will pass the breather straight into the turbo and engine?
Not sure why my original reply isn't still here...anyway. So, the original configuration is a tube running from the valve cover to the turbo / air intake tube. The only difference, is that now the tube first goes to a gas/oil catch can and THEN to the intake tube. Thanks very much for watching and commenting...appreciated! Cheers!
Can I just vent the catch can to atmosphere instead of rerouting it to intake manifold ?
Yep...and between you and I (and anyone else who reads this comment) that is how my system is now set up. ;-)
Saw on a different pajero video you said you may have packed the baffle too much, how is it going so far?
Honestly, I just removed it completely.
too much smoke coming out, might wanna have you car checked for blow by. great video and informative
Isn't this amount pretty inline with most 20-year old diesels engines? This is cold start-up.
@@offgridislandfamily no, that is why the tune up. your car is 20 years old so it is due. it could be an expensive fix because you may need an overhaul. my fieldmaster never had smoke coming out off the valve covers. my friends pajero though had smoke and we brought it to a respected mechanic, 2 cylinders had a leak and needed rehonning, he had to go oversize due to the amount of damage. there is a way you can check if you do have a blow by, with the engine on, remove your oil fill cap and lay it upside down on your valve cover fill opening, if it immediately falls off then you definitely have excessive pressure.
@@daphnebitter4949 dude I have to try this
Steel wool? How do you filter the inevitable massive amounts rust? Being so fine, and packed so tight, how does this not greatly restrict air flow?
Any rust would join the rest of the waste oil. However, EVERY OTHER aspect of this was a terrible idea, which I mention in the description and other videos. Yes...adding any restriction to the intake flow was absolutely a horrible idea.
Mate, where did you purchase the catch can? Do you have the link?
www.ebay.com.au/itm/MA-BLUE-Oil-Catch-Can-Kit-Baffled-with-Breather-Petrol-Diesel-Turbo-Tank-Filter/173329596587?hash=item285b3fc0ab:g:qm4AAOSwq4VbMIMK Consider the breather/filter a free-bee for an entirely different purpose.
at the end, where does the oil return line go, as it does not go to the origional inlet
Out a pipe into the exhaust AFTER the turbo.
are you currently using provent200? or just a hose vented to atmosphere?
It's now just vented to atmosphere. The knock-off cans don't work very well. NO surprise, I know. ;-)
Thanks very helpful... I'm about to install one.
Thanks for that! Just be sure to read my updated description. I learned a LOT about the can I originally installed, and catch cans in general, as well as better options. I've added links for these. The one I installed turned out to be a bit small for an mid-sized, old turbo diesel engine. It's better suited for 2 liter or under and probably best suited for newer and/or gas engines.
@@offgridislandfamily thanks for all the help!
@@OzeMike Absolutely!
Its normal smoke came out from that oil catch tank breeding hose?
It's not 'normal smoke'. It's a combination of different gases and particulates created in the crankcase and pushed up to the valve cover.
I recently found out that my recently built engine (3500-4000km) driven onlyis having blow by and it's really disappointing. Any guesses why it would have happened?
ALL engines have blow-by and even new cars benefit from catch cans. NOW...do you have blue smoke coming out of the exhaust or is your engine burning noticeable amounts of oil?
There's no oil burn and no blue smoke. Only a small leakage in the oil sump which reduced the oil level abit.
@@murti5678910 Then you are GOLD. And...you do NOT want the waste/burned oil back in the engine. Its viscosity is greatly reduced.
So what upgrades do you recommend? So far I've only bought the provent 200 oil catch tank.
Good idea with the finer steel wool. how is it working now? much collection?
ACTUALLY...it was a TERRIBLE idea. Ended up blocking and suffocating the breathing system. These gasses need to escape and EASILY. I updated the video notes to explain this. Also, this can is FAR too small for an big old diesel engine. Could work for a small, modern gas engine, but nothing else. Thanks for commenting! ;-)
@@offgridislandfamily Thanks. Going to be trying with the same can on a 4.8L chevy gas engine. Appreciate the info, will make sure to keep the wool looser and test for flow. Happy Hauling, man
@@KF1 Should be fine on a gas engine. Make sure none of the tubing or connectors you use cause ANY breathing restriction. Yeah...do NOT pack the pre-filter with steel wool. HOWEVER, a stainless scrubby inside the can WAS/IS a good idea. Cheers Bro!
What’s the point for the stainless steel sponge since you got that steel wool baffle?
As the gasses entering the collection area are combines with contaminated oil droplets, I wanted to provide surface area for them to stick to. The steel wool in the baffle was the bad idea of the two.
@@offgridislandfamily
You should have maybe used something less dense so the pressure could be relieved easier. I’d use a bathing sponge or some dish metal sponge.
Could very well be correct, but again, the restriction problem was purely in the baffle. After I emptied the baffle, it was fine.
Did you pop an oil seal or something with the original catch can?
No. Just too much pressure due to overpacking the media filter with steel wool, so the oil came out of the filter on the top. Lesson learned and I appreciate the question! ;-)
@@offgridislandfamily Thanks for replying. It was fortuitous the breather filter was still installed otherwise the built up pressure might have blown a seal in case the breather port was already sealed up. I came across your vlog while researching about oil catch cans as I will be installing soon on a 4d56 engine. It helps to get inputs on the pros and cons and I decided the benefits outweigh the risks. I made sure to find an OCC with bigger input/output diameter tubes (about 19mm) to avoid flow restriction. One cool tip I found is to use the nylon stuff girls use to shower instead of Scotch Brite stainless scourer as oil traps to avoid the risk in the off chance that metal bits may break and find its way into the engine. And also to avoid cheap OCC with copper filters as this really cause restriction. Hope you continue vlogging and upload new contents soon. Cheers!
@@anaccount3244 Well...just a further update. Well, I think your plan sounds very well thought out and should work well. I finally just removed mine and exhaust to atmosphere. Just got sick of the darn thing!
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COOL BRO! CHEERS!
Do you have the link for the 2nd part, great video!
Thank you for that! No part 2, but I can tell you the results. This catch can was too small for this engine and caused back pressure in the oil system, creating leaks. Hehehehe! GET A LARGE ONE for diesels!
@@offgridislandfamily thank you there is a video from the channel more molecules with ur same conclusion in more details, thanks again and happy new year
hi on what speed the intercooler should be activated?
Hello, do you mean the intercooler fan, or when is the intercooler functioning? One answer sort of fits both questions, but your intercooler isn't useful until your turbo starts pushing air through it, which is not in stop & go traffic. This is also the only time a fan is really useful, except that it's not, because the turbo isn't spooling in regular city driving.
@@offgridislandfamily thanks so, there should be a sensor somewhere, Got this pajero work from a shop here, but suddenly majority of the sensors now are not working. ill need to check some good electrician around here to work for my intercooler turbo fan.
@@kuyaYves OK...so, there is a temperature sensor at the back driver's side of the intercooler. You'll see two screws holding it in and one wire coming off of it. But, the fan is actually pretty useless, because the intercooler won't do anything for a turbo that is not spooling. And if the turbo is spooling, then the vehicle is moving fast enough for the hood scoop to pull in enough cool air. I think the electric fan is a neat idea, but not useful.
Where does the outlet pipe go to
Well, it's intended to be routed back to the intake tube between the turbo and air cleaner. However, I just removed mine entirely and exhaust to atmosphere.
Do we must have to plug it back to the turbo ? Nice video mate.
Well, the line comes from the valve cover to the can at the 'IN' side. The 'OUT' side goes back to the original location at the intake tube between air filter and turbo. Thanks for the compliment...I truly appreciate it.
How effective is this oil catch tank for the 4m40? Is it worth it?
NOT AT ALL. ;-) That is why I updated the video description with a link to a FAR BETTER catch can for a cranky old diesel engine.
My 4m40 is recently rebuilt completely with stock internals no upgrades. Would any oil catch tank be useful for it?
NOOOOO
Well done know we know how to open the little filter without making a roll 😂
Don't pack the prefilter. It restricts valve cover breathing. Lesson learned.
@@offgridislandfamily I bought today without filter, after flashing the engine with liquid Moly star to leak from the in late turbo,no much!
I just thinking is from this pipe...
@@lisandrofernandes Yeah...just check all your connectors. Good you didn't get with the little baffle filter!
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I think so.
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I installed it works fine. Drive about 40 km 25 miles, and check the tank or container that comes in the decanter and it is almost full. For what is this?
It's catching engine gases that normally coat the inside of your intake and intercooler system and reduce its efficiency.
ITS OIL
also did it run ok before you put that crap on it?
@@stephen2181 Yep. Oil is oil.
@@stephen2181 Sure. Running is not the question this part was designed to answer. The question is 'efficiency'. More power...les fuel consuption.
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Wouldn’t the baffle clog?
With the constant heat and pressure, clogging is not the issue. However, I should NOT have filled the baffle with steel wool. The can...yes....the baffle...NO.
The steel wool is going to break apart over time and go into the engine ..
The pressure is coming from the valve cover and pushing out through the catch can. But the real problem is the back pressure created by the steel wool, which is why I removed it and edited my video description. Thanks for the comment!
It’s normal that smoke comes out from the filter???
Yes. All engines, even new cars today, have a hose running from the valve cover to the intake system. All engines produce these crankcase gasses and of course the more worn the engine, the more piston ring blow-by and thus, more oil gasses produced. If you're referring to the filter on the catch can, then NO. I did an update video where I remove the filter and re-install the aluminum plug.
@@offgridislandfamily aha thats mean its good the smokes comes out cuz i got one same thing the smokes comes out from the filter but i had some leaks in the catch can
@@BarhoomMX Actually, YES. This means those gasses are NOT going back into the intake system or combustion process.
@@BarhoomMX Leaks in the catch can are probably not super important. ;-)
Sou do Brasil poxa manda um catch can para eu colocar no meu clio
The catch can used in this video would be perfect for a Clio. ;-)
@@offgridislandfamily Seria perfeito sim daria muito bem no meu Clio 1.0,8v
Kinda wished you would of linked this unit instead of the one you wished you had in the description block...
You mean...you wish I had posted links for the unit seen in the video that did NOT work?
@@offgridislandfamily that did not work in your situation? Yes.
@@08StreetGlide Ok. Well the one featured in the video, which is NOT correct for big, old diesel engines, is very easy to find on any online shopping site.
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Glad it was helpful! ;-) Cheers!
Had my pajero 2.8 for 14 years why would I put this crap on it runs great never lets me down leave well alone does not need this
'Crap'? Uhh...ok.Clearly you don't understand emissions systems. The function is very logical and simple. Your intercooler functions to cool air and increase hp. Oil coating the system reduces this functionality. Cleaning the system and keeping oil out results in top efficiency.
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nice video.. are you a filipino?
No, but my son is half...does that count? ;-)
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Ok. Sounds good! ;-)
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Yeah! Exactly! Totally right bro!
Mines came today guess wat i cant open the same part mines dont even come off the lid
@@AllSoWavyReese That’s the thing about the copy versions. They are made to look good enough to sell and they do. But missing the opening baffle function.
now i know all car engineers like all of them all stooped like MB, PORSCHE,AUDI,CRYSLER EVEN ROLLS ROYS NO ONE FIGURE THAT THEY NEED INSTALL SIMPLE OIL CATCH CANS LOL OMG!!!
Do you mind explaining your point so others may benefit from it? Thanks...
@@offgridislandfamily its pointless mode nobody gonna drive long enough to get benefits from it.its one of the reasons its a waste of time and money
@@greggregorich8048 Hehehe...'nobody gonna drive long enough to get benefits'? Ok...hehehehe
@@offgridislandfamily im not talking oil in a cans im talking about manifolds,do you have idea how long it takes to buidup the residue inside a manifold.6000 miles,50 000 miles .for the next cleanup.
@@greggregorich8048 Build-up inside the intake manifold is only ONE of several reasons to install catch cans. 2. Keeping residue off the valve-train is another. 3. The gasses removed by a catch can, if allowed return to the engine oil, would have a negative effect on engine oil viscosity and lubrication effectiveness. 4. Gasses also coat the inside of the entire intake system, which on most turbo vehicles, means the intercooler and intercooler piping system. Coating the inside of this intake cooling system obviously reducing air-cooling efficiency and thus, power. 5. The gasses being sent from your valve cover to the intake tube also burn much less effectively than fuel...again...reducing power. Finally, ALL cars built after about 1950 send valve cover gasses to the carburetor and/or intake system. This includes all the cars you have ever driven.
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What the what?
AHH...The people out in the city? Yes....and I agree with your sentiment.