What Is The REAL Cause of Heart Disease | Dr Stephen Hussey | Ep 93

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  • @jimwhitney50
    @jimwhitney50 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Weird how one of the best and most informative interviews on health I've seen has lower than average views. When I started my health journey, I did a search. Slowly I've gotten away from the top search results and feel more truth from the up-and-coming 2000 view range. Dr Chaffee is my biggest Sub follow and it's because he continues to focus on answers and not what popular. Much respect.

  • @carminecaiazzo6770
    @carminecaiazzo6770 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I can only speak for myself but this podcast was the most informative, mind blowing video I have watched since I began this journey to better health 5 years ago. Once again Dr. Chaffee YOUR THE MAN!!!!!!

    • @anthonychaffeemd
      @anthonychaffeemd  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you very much, I'm really glad you think so!

  • @00bms00
    @00bms00 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Really fascinating to hear this explanation of how the heart works. I feel like I am starting over in terms of medical education

  • @sugansugan56
    @sugansugan56 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    One of your best guests-I like his way of explaining and illustrations -thank you

    • @anthonychaffeemd
      @anthonychaffeemd  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much, I'm glad you liked it!

  • @Mrs.UnRefinedTrends
    @Mrs.UnRefinedTrends 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Only caught the last little bit of this but I can’t wait to go back and listen to all of it. Awesome information! Thank you

  • @petermadany2779
    @petermadany2779 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I was really pumped to hear an alternative theory of what the heart does🧐

    • @crys_tlyaw
      @crys_tlyaw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      “Pumped” … I see what you did there…😊

    • @kyliefan7
      @kyliefan7 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      WE will PUMP YOU UP!!! 😂

    • @dinomiles7999
      @dinomiles7999 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Check out Dr. Tom Cowan.

  • @jimwhitney50
    @jimwhitney50 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dr Hussey is a stud.
    I tried taking notes as he spoke, but my pen was real dry cause I haven't used it since early 2000's.
    I'm gonna buy his book tonight but he better dumb it down for me and the average Dr I've dealt with recently.

  • @pointshealthcoaching8474
    @pointshealthcoaching8474 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Also; the book by Thomas Cowen "Human Heart Cosmic Heart" discusses same mechanism- the Heart isn't a pump- more like an electrochemical gradient system.. thank you for discussing this, very relevant indeed... great interview 👍

  • @jeannedigennaro6484
    @jeannedigennaro6484 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Dr. Hussey’s book is well worth reading. Twice.

  • @heatherthomas9483
    @heatherthomas9483 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love what you guys are putting out. The problem is I have friends that wouldn't understand 80 percent of what you're saying. I'm really having a hard time finding a video to share with my friend who was recently diagnosed with a-fib. Please share if anyone here knows of one in layman's terms

  • @cassandrabond2315
    @cassandrabond2315 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Fantastic info. Also the fact trauma is genetically passed on from the parent as demonstrated in a rat study makes everything add up more and more to how our emotional body also precipitates ill health. We need carnivore diet but also to understand how our trauma can affect our body as well.

    • @williammccartney4833
      @williammccartney4833 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Trauma is some heavy stuff to shoulder I agree with your view !

  • @oilreg434
    @oilreg434 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    holy cow 45:42 learned a lot today, thanks for this amazing interview to both of you

  • @stevensmith8580
    @stevensmith8580 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I learned a ton during this discussion. Thanks

  • @Jacobraul14r
    @Jacobraul14r 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amazing presentation ✅ getting the book today

  • @mikepriddy981
    @mikepriddy981 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you both for this info. I was diagnosed with congestive heart failure in 2005. This red light info is something i have never heard of. This info really hit home with me. Im definately looking into this. I have a defibulator and on many meds.

    • @wagnerebikes1239
      @wagnerebikes1239 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was just diagnosed with congestive heart failure and have diabetes

    • @Fredrick215
      @Fredrick215 ปีที่แล้ว

      Have you tried the diet?

    • @dinomiles7999
      @dinomiles7999 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Check out Dr.Jack Kruse, Dr Alexis Cowan, Dr Tom Cowan, Dr Ted Archaco ❤.

  • @erictrauman2879
    @erictrauman2879 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Zone 1 and zone 2. So important.

  • @finn_carnivore
    @finn_carnivore 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very good conversation💎

  • @jacquelinesmit876
    @jacquelinesmit876 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Has red light therapy the same properties for heart failure as a infra red sauna does?

  • @godsdozer
    @godsdozer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    excellent Doc, thanks for what you do.

  • @Ally_416_Chic
    @Ally_416_Chic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video, can you invite Dr Hussey back and discuss hypertension?

  • @bruceprigge5212
    @bruceprigge5212 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you! 😊

  • @jordanesquetyson8223
    @jordanesquetyson8223 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Dr Chaffee, I herd you say a few times you are no longer adding salt to your meat. Do you think we get enough sodium from a carnivore diet without adding any salt? I herd Kelly Hogan and Steak and butter Gal both say they do better with zero salt.

    • @denisedecker7330
      @denisedecker7330 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      As does Dana Spencer Shute and the Anderson's. The Bear said that he abstained from salt as it aged the skin.

    • @dogcrazy25
      @dogcrazy25 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But watch all their videos. Sometimes they add electrolytes like LMNT.

    • @jonelleolds-ruppel1159
      @jonelleolds-ruppel1159 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Dr Berry says salt is beneficial to add because he gives the example of how other animals that eat meat etc go to great lengths to get salt. Put a salt lick out and you will attract animals of all kind. I still think listening to your body and how active you are probably makes a big difference.

  • @dakotalynn4773
    @dakotalynn4773 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    If I eat bacon and eggs I feel great. If I drink a green smoothie I get bloated and miserable. Broccoli does the same thing.

    • @TimL1980
      @TimL1980 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why would you drink a green smoothie?😂

    • @stephanier2690
      @stephanier2690 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I do miss my cold matcha drinks

    • @TimL1980
      @TimL1980 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KAT-dg6el ... or not at all with around 100 carcinogens in them

  • @pointshealthcoaching8474
    @pointshealthcoaching8474 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    And especially now with the superclass jabs predisposing to thrombocytopenia, myocarditis & inflammatory response.... there is an abundance of vascular disease ... welcome to a "new normal ".... thank you dr C for staying in the mainstream to spread the word

  • @belakiss8861
    @belakiss8861 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    so another words the heart is actually a traffic coordinator....when there is an accident there is no flow. So if the heart stops cause of an excessive demand (traffic jam)this one of the cause of a heart attack. Am I understanding the info correctly? Great video...Thank you..

  • @johnsavage4786
    @johnsavage4786 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Anthony I have always used Redmond salt, should I eliminate from my Carnivore life style?

  • @shaneelsdon6356
    @shaneelsdon6356 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    OK, So I started this WOE August 1 Weight was 260 I had blood tested in July before I started.
    HDL 25 Now 36 Range 40+
    Triglycerides 308 now 130 Range under 199
    LDL 116 Now 196 Range 0- 199
    Cholesterol 196 Now 262 Range 0 - 200
    I had 3 other things that in July we out of range now they are all back in range.
    Dec 22 time of blood test weight was 209 down 51 lbs

  • @lesleewatson4266
    @lesleewatson4266 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Curious, for a heart patient who undergoes infrared therapy, do they require a cocktail of nutrients pre or post therapy?

  • @johnhamilton6330
    @johnhamilton6330 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can the use of systemic enzymes keep the fibrinogen buildup under control? Would they help keep arteries clear?

    • @MusingInStereo
      @MusingInStereo ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Look into Natto

    • @MusingInStereo
      @MusingInStereo ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@KAT-dg6el Yup… fermented soy… Non GMO

    • @tanyasydney2235
      @tanyasydney2235 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Absolutely. I use both Nattokinaisse as well as Lumbrokinaisse, and sometimes Serrapeptaise.

  • @modernrider1398
    @modernrider1398 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Makes sense that blood flow is electrical because why else would grounding yourself help with blood movement?

  • @TeroCarni
    @TeroCarni 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you both! I've been waiting this 🙂

  • @beepbeepnj2658
    @beepbeepnj2658 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man who pounce on bedspring this Spring, have offspring next Spring. Someone at my work placed that on my umbrella next to the dry clean only label.

  • @bonsummers2657
    @bonsummers2657 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The problems: Starches, both pasteurized and homogenized milk, isolated seed oils, (and even some isolated animal fats, - butter is a problem for me, except in minute amounts)(but suet works well with my body, in moderate amounts).

  • @andrewtaylor9799
    @andrewtaylor9799 ปีที่แล้ว

    The explanation of the the mechanism behind insulin sensitivity helping with arterial repair was enlightening. I agree that insults to the arterial wall that result in clotting are the cause of cardiovascular disease. Those that eat a lot of junk food - unfortunately a majority in the US - are constantly generating arterial insults because of the glucose spikes and oxidized fats. If the repair mechanism is broken due to insulin resistance, this leads to cardiovascular disease.

  • @dzdxdd
    @dzdxdd 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    When the ventricles pump doesn't that send a pulse wave through the blood vessels, moving the blood?

  • @brucemoose926
    @brucemoose926 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Drs, what about increased uric acid due to a carnivorous diet? Uric acid can lead to gout.

    • @davem4193
      @davem4193 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm not a doctor but I've heard Dr. Chaffee mention this before. Fructose causes gout so if you aren't eating any fructose on a carnivore diet you don't get gout. Basically the increased uric acid doesn't matter if fructose is not in the equation. I also heard it mentioned that a lot of doctors tell patients to quit red meat if they get gout because they assume people would have an easier time quitting red meat than sugar/fructose (even though they don't tell the patients their reasoning behind it which is ridiculous).

    • @kenjishab
      @kenjishab 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Dr. Ken Berry on TH-cam has vids on Uric acid and the carnivore diet

    • @jamesunderdal8976
      @jamesunderdal8976 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      False.

    • @dogcrazy25
      @dogcrazy25 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Protein does not cause gout. I agree with the other commenter. Dr Ken berry has a good video on this topic and has interviewed experts on this topic.

  • @CLC616
    @CLC616 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Although I am struggling with the idea of a chiropractor talking about heart disease, I would be more open to his perspective if here were more clear and upfront about his “medical training” from the very beginning. When I hear chiropractors do that, I get extra guarded.

    • @dogcrazy25
      @dogcrazy25 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I totally get your point of view. I believe some of these doctors do cutting edge research to come up with these newer ideas and research. Some cardiologist get tunnel vision on gospel learned during medical school, which is 20-30 year old info.

    • @KAT-dg6el
      @KAT-dg6el ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dr. Joe Dispenza is a chiropractor. Do you know about him?
      Movie, What the bleep do we know?

    • @tanyasydney2235
      @tanyasydney2235 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Most chiropractors know a heck of a lot more about health than regular MDs.

    • @guflportgyrl
      @guflportgyrl 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Most definitely! I get so aggravated when people say " he's just a chiropractor not a real Dr". Chiropractors are much more educated than MDs. I've never had any MD help me with any of my health issue...ever. s​@tanyasydney2235

  • @jberts3141
    @jberts3141 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    On the section for what causes atherosclerosis, Dr. Chaffee correct me if I'm wrong but it is my understanding that when the LDL particles become dense and no longer buoyant aka oxidized (from seed oils) (HNE4) they interact with the endothelium causing white blood cells to have to repair the damage causing foam cells aka plaque leading to hypertension and then atherosclerosis.

    • @jasoncdebussy
      @jasoncdebussy ปีที่แล้ว

      As professor Kay explains, atherosclerosis is caused by lesions in the arterial endothelium
      th-cam.com/video/BOD59bNQOOk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=rnGl-Ep5J-4M9XtD

  • @anthonybitonti5820
    @anthonybitonti5820 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can we get a bit deeper on “psychological stress”? Is he saying anxiety will lead to heart disease by going into fight or flight? 🤔

    • @anthonybitonti5820
      @anthonybitonti5820 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Cantaste I have heard others say that it’s the lifestyle choices that accompany it (IE comfort foods, lack of exercise, sleep schedule interference) that is the ACTUAL cause and not the act of going into fight or flight.

  • @chrismeek882
    @chrismeek882 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Idk if you read comments or take suggestions, but I would like to hear about the microbiome in this space. No one is talking about it.

  • @andredaedone5
    @andredaedone5 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I will.never go back to plants and garbage food for many reasons but two are important to my mental health. Gum disease is gone and hair is growing back with no gray.

  • @angelmcgovern116
    @angelmcgovern116 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm really confused when you say humans are carnivores. Our intestines are longer than a carnivore's intestinal track. That is why we can't eat rotten meat and carnivores can without a problem. Aren't we more scavengers and omnivores?

    • @paulreesor8200
      @paulreesor8200 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It was primarily carnivorous humans in ketosis most of the time that domesticated plants to have more carbs in them right. We don't get much from or even want to eat plants that aren't either sweet or have starch but carbs to store up fat for to get us through a famine but are not essential and it carbs that raises insulin and insulin resistance that cause atherosclerosis. See Dr. Joseph Kraft.

  • @benjaminfrazer-synnott6640
    @benjaminfrazer-synnott6640 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Anthony or anyone
    I started on carnivore 4 weeks ago and iv noticed my bed sheets smell like ammonium.
    My protein is 160g a day and fats 160g a day.
    Is this normal ?

    • @jonelleolds-ruppel1159
      @jonelleolds-ruppel1159 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’ve absolutely had this and many other smelly issues especially in the beginning including urine that is stronger smelling and bad breath. The bad breath just disappeared while urine smell changes.

  • @Martin_Neal
    @Martin_Neal ปีที่แล้ว

    Dr Hussey has most likely studied Dr Tom Cowan's book:
    Human Heart, Cosmic Heart: A Doctor’s Quest to Understand, Treat, and Prevent Cardiovascular Disease Hardcover - November 3, 2016
    by Dr. Thomas Cowan MD (Author).
    The Heart Is Not A Pump
    video: th-cam.com/video/kUCBEKO3IJc/w-d-xo.html

  • @alejandromut
    @alejandromut 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Interesting. Not buying this theory right away, tho. Not closed minded, but claims like these need extreme evidence.

  • @commandernoodles2367
    @commandernoodles2367 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes. The heart is not a pump.

  • @labbe52
    @labbe52 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    🥰

  • @AbleHammer
    @AbleHammer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    But this way of eating can be profitable for big companies in the form of healthy employees! Less insurance claims, more productively and happier more mentally stable employees that will definitely save companies money! This notion or paradigm that it isn’t profitable is simply not true.

  • @dinomiles7999
    @dinomiles7999 หลายเดือนก่อน

    L1ive like a WOLF, eat like a SHARK ❤ !❤❤❤Decentralization ❤maybe our spices only hope ❤Don't die! Take back control of YOUR health ❤! Eyes mind heart and soul wide open ❤NO FEAR!

  • @dinomiles7999
    @dinomiles7999 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dr Tom Cowan has been saying the heart thing for many,many years . The heart is NOT a pump ❤! I'm Just asking ❤? ❤❤❤Decentralization ❤

  • @rockymnthodad3047
    @rockymnthodad3047 ปีที่แล้ว

    Blood Pressure anyone ? ... when I feel a 'pulse' ..there is pressure (from heart pumping..?) ..when pulse goes away..( so does the 'patient')... AV/SA nodes firing to make heart muscle pump correctly.. nodes don't fire right.. heart doesn't pump right... patient demise,,,,? There is a 'pump' going on and your 'hydrodynamic' peripheral vascular/arteriole theory too... no(?), both perhaps ( and in CPR if you don't compress enough or rate correctly it 'doesn't work' ) ? 'Brownian movement' in high frequency ventilation (Pos Press Vent), also requires a source/beginning press.( the ventilator ). ..ie.. it doesn't happen on it's own, or there would be no need for the ventilator/'PPV if it did ...? The 'pressure (..ie..provided by 'the pump') has to be 'just right' not only in heart function but with 'Brownian movement' in Positive Pressure Ventilation too or again... physiologic/patient demise... You are losing me with the 'downplay' of mechanical heart 'pump' pressures and seemingly making it 'insignificant' in design.. yet I do relate to the reality that the 'heart pump' would not have an effect way down on the peripheral flow of distal small arteries ..etc..(thus supporting need for another mechanism of flow) fascinating to contemplate.. thanks.. RRT (Resp Ther)... and lastly my 'epiphany' would be that the heart is closer to the head/brain and not your feet because the flow of blood to your brain is vital to all else (that's why blood SPURTS) from severed carotid arteries ..it's being PUMPED up there,... ( but the heart serving as a 'regulator' of flow, and pressure being a result of blood volume and the 'energy' flow you speak of within it, press created when valves 'stop' the flow temporarily ..?..I guess...) (I will always only know what I think I know).. Thanks..

  • @Primetime_dads
    @Primetime_dads ปีที่แล้ว

    Just wondering why none of these doctors mentioned the population that has the lowest risk of heart disease in the world. The tsimane tribe, they eat 70% carbs
    Anyway thoughts on that, also why do we always speak on the hadza and not the tsimane
    Has anyone even heard of these people, or is it just me

    • @firelight-vitality
      @firelight-vitality 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The Tsimane are extremely physically active. You can eat all the carbs you want so long as you are that active. Most people have a relative sedentary lifestyle, which is why low-carb works better for them.

  • @MK-ft3qt
    @MK-ft3qt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Angeogenisis.

  • @bobcocampo
    @bobcocampo ปีที่แล้ว

    Share to drug 👨‍⚕ pushers. 😂

  • @johneubank8543
    @johneubank8543 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You really need to be careful talking about exclusion zone water and alternate heart function hypotheses. The other stuff is great - about real causes of atherosclerosis.
    But I'm already having enough trouble selling any part of that to friends and family - who are at risk, who need to go low carb, keto or carnivore - but won't.
    The exclusion zone and heart stuff may be true or partially true. If another viewer is reading this and already getting mad at me - getting ready to pop off an angry response to put me in my place and say how much you believe it all - stop. Don't. You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm saying "why sing to the choir when we need to convert and save other people who are much harder to convince - they're still very brainwashed, like I was not long ago." Please, keep this in mind if you still feel you need to pop off at me, Please at least understand what I'm saying and don't make a reply based on something I absolutely did not say. I may sound hair-trigger here - sorry - but I've had so, so many of these flawed replies in the past few weeks that it's getting very frustrating.
    Okay, as far as I can tell, exclusion zone water and the heart stuff is based on some hypotheses and studies that aren't well accepted, aren't well understood, and may be flawed. I'm not even sure exactly which ones you mean. We're already having enough trouble trying to convince people we care about to just lower carbs. To stop eating PUFA. Simple and essential stuff like that. When you pile on this really radical "woo-woo sounding" stuff ... I just want to give up. I can't use this video to help me convert normal people to keto or low carb. They get to that part and tell me I'm nuts to believe any of this. What do we gain? Nothing. Again, you're singing to the choir - people who are very open-minded (or naive) are willing to accept it. Most humans won't. We make a strong case for atherosclerosis - we got them listening when we say this simple diet change will save you from diabetes and a heart attack ... okay they are at least listening. But now exclusion zone water - sh*t, they're gone. That sounds science fiction. What good does it gain us? Nothing! If we need more IR, sell that separately - sell it for the other reasons - we got a long, LONG way to go on this exclusion zone stuff and the full load of IR stuff. It may not all be readl. And then the heart stuff - what good does that do us?
    Now sure, a lot of people will post about how interesting it is. Great. They're already sold on keto or low carb, for the most part.
    If you absolutely must talk about exclusion zone water and this wonky new heart stuff, at least respect the fact that most people are going think it's "woo woo" right out the gate. For goodness sake, do DAMAGE CONTROL. Be mindful of the problems. Have some empathy for people who aren't easily convinced. Stress, look, this other key stuff over here - the diet stuff, the low carb or keto stuff - is absolutely proved and well understood, and you need to accept it. Now that we've established that, I'm going to talk about some cutting-edge stuff that is not well accepted - we may need to dig more and see how real it is, but it's fascinating. Be ready, cuz I'm gonna sound like I've gone all "edge lord" here - but yeah, I'm still investigating it - but here it is.... And then describe the exclusion zone stuff, the weird heart stuff.
    Honestly, my first reaction to hearing this is: "Crap, I'm killing myself doing keto. I'm killing myself eating saturated fat. This chiropractor is telling me 'whatever he believes must be garbage.'" I have to then step back and unpack that - and de-tox my mind - and fix my beliefs. You can believe me. You can reject me. It's not about who is absolutely "right or wrong" here. There's no dichotomy here, so please don't invent one. It's this - do you want to sell skeptical people you care about on keto/low carb? On not eating PUFA? If yes, then please, let's all better consider how to do this. Thanks. I am trying to help and not to attack.

    • @johneubank8543
      @johneubank8543 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KAT-dg6el I could tell you to stop being such a busy-body and stop sticking your nose into other people's business. I could tell you to learn to read - because you're responding to what you think I said - not what I actually said. But I really doubt it would do any good. So I'm going to wish you a nice day - good luck with being you.

    • @tanyasydney2235
      @tanyasydney2235 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Totally disagree. No need to lower content quality and information to suite those that can't be bothered to get further educated on what their body requires to stay healthy. If you're concerned about those who "will not understand", there are lots of other videos you can guide them to. Why criticize exceptional content just because the "masses" may not understand it. Sheez!

  • @johneubank8543
    @johneubank8543 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You really need to be careful talking about exclusion zone water. The other stuff is great - about real causes of atherosclerosis.
    The problem with exclusion zone water is that you can't help but make is sound like so much "woo woo". We don't know enough about it to draw the kinds of conclusions you state. Sure, there may be something to it, but here's the problem. For every one person who is curious about it and trusts you on it, there are at least 20 who say, "Oh, I knew this was all b.s. And this confirms it. These guys are woo-peddlers. They're con artists."
    You impulse is to lead us down the rabbit hole - and then pile on all this other stuff. Sure, it's fascinating, but it doesn't belong here. When you say the heart isn't a pump and that blood keeps moving after death - which isn't what you said, but that's what most people hear - you lose them. If the heart is stopped, we die - unless a doc can turn it back on in time, so to speak. What good does all this do when the main vector is atherosclerosis and macronutrient rations (diet). We need to focus on what's important. This is a battle. Water exclusion zones is not a battle that wins us anything - there's no reason to try fighting it. At best it wears us out, and I strongly suspect it drives away people we need to win over.