SMS Kaiser - Guide 177

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  • @Drachinifel
    @Drachinifel  4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Pinned post for Q&A :)

    • @MegaloHorse
      @MegaloHorse 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Why do you always use imperial metrics? You pointed out that odd numbers for armor thickness is because Germans use metric system so why not say the numbers in metric as a default instead of saying imperial and then explaining it with metric? (it is a minor thing, but I had to ask)

    • @toddwebb7521
      @toddwebb7521 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I would assume because the Royal Navy was using inches and not mm at the era and they are the biggest navy of the era.

    • @captainloggy140
      @captainloggy140 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      How well-versed were World War-era ships against boarding attempts and more specifically, could the French fleet at Toulon have repelled the Germans if given full crew and at east some prior warning?

    • @Drachinifel
      @Drachinifel  4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@MegaloHorse Two main reasons, 1) I grew up with Imperial measures so I'm used to them, 2) I try to have continuity of measurements across the videos, if I do some exclusively in Imperial, others exclusively in metric, it makes comparing them harder, and double-counting everything in both is annoying :D
      Hope that helps :)

    • @MegaloHorse
      @MegaloHorse 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Drachinifel Thanks, glad you answered :)

  • @claypidgeon4807
    @claypidgeon4807 4 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    So you mean to tell me that it was SMS Kaiser that enabled the HMS Warspite to defy the scrapyard so many years later with that fateful rudder hit? Somewhere, somehow, Kaiser’s still laughing her ass off about that one.

    • @westcoaststacker569
      @westcoaststacker569 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Blighty Wound (Million dollar wound) got shot in the rear and survived two wars.

    • @christophpoll784
      @christophpoll784 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      A million dollar hit... but I guess, she never saw a penny!

    • @westcoaststacker569
      @westcoaststacker569 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Warspite stayed in the fight and absorbed a lot of hits. Amazing ship.

  • @pfalzerwaldgumby4798
    @pfalzerwaldgumby4798 4 ปีที่แล้ว +148

    Dear Drach: I am impressed with your pronunciation of „Luitpold“. Even Germans mess that one up. Your German pronunciation keeps getting better.

  • @PilgrimBangs
    @PilgrimBangs 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Could you do a piece on what and how torpedo nets were supposed to work. I can see the net spars on this ship and many others. I'm curious as how they were deployed and if they were effective. Why were they abandoned? Thanks

    • @535phobos
      @535phobos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Net hangs off the side of the ship, torp hits net instead of ship, doesnt explode or does so a fair distance from the hull. Simple as that. They of course could only be used while anchored or moving very slowly because of danger of getting them into your own propellers (which happened a few times at Jutland, if I remember correctly).

  • @BobSmith-dk8nw
    @BobSmith-dk8nw 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Some of my old friends from playing the Avalon Hill "Jutland" game in High School.
    .

  • @Digmen1
    @Digmen1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow thats a great photo at 6:42, those turrets are huge

  • @dr3yfusz
    @dr3yfusz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Please do some videos on german subs during WW2

  • @fabiomarangon2748
    @fabiomarangon2748 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The refit of USS Phelps DD-360 and a few other orter and Somers class leaders similarly modified with two twin and one single 5"/38 dual purpose guns: good or bad?

  • @elykeom1
    @elykeom1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a nice ship :)

  • @notbobrosss3670
    @notbobrosss3670 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What are the pipe structures going down the sides of the hull for?

    • @notbobrosss3670
      @notbobrosss3670 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @ Thank you I always wondered what those were for.

  • @gazof-the-north1980
    @gazof-the-north1980 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The German 12 inch gun performed much better than the British 12 inch.

    • @OhSome1HasThisName
      @OhSome1HasThisName 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      good thing the British contemporary dreadnoughts (the Orions, also commissioned in 1912) had 13.5 inch guns then :p

    • @gazof-the-north1980
      @gazof-the-north1980 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, the Kaiser's insistence on retaining the 12inch gun didn't do the High Sea's Fleet any favours.....

    • @Diego-zz1df
      @Diego-zz1df 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@gazof-the-north1980 It wasn't just his stubbornness, I think they also had some manufacturing problems for the 14 and 15 inch guns. Consider that, in a very short time frame, they built 14 battleships and 4 battlecruisers with 12 inch guns, but only managed to produce 2 ships with 15 inch guns later on. The Kaiser's logic, for what I read, was "get as many of these ships into the water as fast as possible to catch up to the british numerical advantage".

    • @TheKingofbrooklin
      @TheKingofbrooklin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@gazof-the-north1980 The good performing 12 inch guns with the overall great armor was a good combinations for the german dreadnoughts but the should have really used a bigger caliber for the König class.

  • @peterwer
    @peterwer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ok danke

  • @edwarddunne2758
    @edwarddunne2758 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would you be able to do a video on Admiral Yi Sun-sin? He was never defeated at sea, nor did he lose a ship under his command to enemy action.

    • @andrews2990
      @andrews2990 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Edward Dunne I mean, in all honesty, I too have never been defeated at sea nor lost a ship under my command to enemy action.

    • @edwarddunne2758
      @edwarddunne2758 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@andrews2990 True, but you never faced 300 Japanese ships with only 13 of your own and still win without taking any losses.

  • @ridbanner1407
    @ridbanner1407 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Feel free to use my picture of the kaiser shield if you want to.

  • @VincentMMoore0
    @VincentMMoore0 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the channel - would you do a video on the Konig class?

    • @dougjb7848
      @dougjb7848 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/pMV0O8aXKIQ/w-d-xo.html

  • @jmantime
    @jmantime 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What a waste, the Germans should’ve never given up their fleet. These battleships would’ve came in handy in WW2. Just like the old German pre-dreadnoughts.

    • @TheKingofbrooklin
      @TheKingofbrooklin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I really want to see how these WW1 ships would have looked like if Germany kept most of them and modernised them later.

    • @TheKingofbrooklin
      @TheKingofbrooklin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kms_scharnhorst Yes I was thinking more of a fictional scenario where Germany defeated France and made the Entente sign a ceasefire with the term by Britian to limit german fleet building and giving Germany at the Washington Naval treaty the tonnage of Japan.

  • @kidmohair8151
    @kidmohair8151 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    your many mentions of 88 mm guns sent me on a bit of a search to
    find out if these were related to the rather more (in)famous flak 88...
    and they sorta is(are)

  • @OldNavy7191
    @OldNavy7191 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you very much for your very well researched, well presented videos. I have learned a great deal thanks to your efforts.
    A question, which your have probably answered before. What are the items which are mounted on the hull of this ship, and others of this era? They run from just below the main deck to above the water line.
    Thank you again

    • @paulmanson253
      @paulmanson253 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If those diagonal shadows it what you refer to,the spars for the antitorpedo netting,mounted on the hull.

    • @OldNavy7191
      @OldNavy7191 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      paul manson
      Thank you. I had no idea what they were.

  • @nicholasmiller3872
    @nicholasmiller3872 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you done any videos on the Laffeys? DD 459 and DD 724. DD 724 is moored next the Essex Class Yorktown in Charleston Harbor in South Carolina. DD 429 was sunk in the Battle of Guadalcanal after trading fire with the IJN Hei. DD 724 is known as the destroyer that would not die. Your videos are awesome.

    • @Drachinifel
      @Drachinifel  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I planned to do an episode live aboard the latter when I went to the USA :(

    • @nicholasmiller3872
      @nicholasmiller3872 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well when this crayola crayon of an epidemic passes, please do come back.

  • @snakes3425
    @snakes3425 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Any chance of getting the Konigs added

  • @jeremybird7709
    @jeremybird7709 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    help.... I know it sounds daft but what ever are those diagonal bits on the sides of these old ships...... lower at the front rising up to almost deck height....... info gratefully received

    • @DNV970Raze
      @DNV970Raze 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You mean those bars on the side of the hull? I believe those are holder booms for the torpedo nets.

    • @jeremybird7709
      @jeremybird7709 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DNV970Raze fantastic, thank yo very much

  • @enzovernille3800
    @enzovernille3800 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could you make a video about the Bahia class cruisers?, they were ordered during the South American Dreadnought Race

  • @korbell1089
    @korbell1089 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Drachinifel: "Frederich De Grosse and Koenig Albert having the somewhat dubious honor..." I have to aplaud the men of the Hgh Seas Fleet when they did that, it was a big middle finger and said, "We might be defeated but we are not beaten!"

    • @alecblunden8615
      @alecblunden8615 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The decision to scuttle was taken when German negotiators were given a "Sign or else" ultimatum at Versailles. They signed, so the gesture was about as futile as you can get - but a gesture very welcome to Britain as there was then no possibility the US, France and Italy could claim ships as war reparations. They may have been allies, but that's no reason to face the prospect of their fleets being strengthened with equanimity.

    • @Drachinifel
      @Drachinifel  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I phrased it that way since, although the motives of the officers and crew are understandable, it's still a less than ideal end for a ship of war.

  • @michaelkaylor6770
    @michaelkaylor6770 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A collaboration idea! You and Bismarck should hilariously mispronounce German and English respectively as for fact you both do really well pronouncing the others native tongue! And thank God for the metric system!

  • @timothyhouse1622
    @timothyhouse1622 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So....what is up with the barrel of butter on the map at the end?

    • @andypdq
      @andypdq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's a small island, mostly covered in seal shit and the accompanying seals.

    • @timothyhouse1622
      @timothyhouse1622 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@andypdq ah, I thought it was referring to an actual Barrel of Butter. Scapa Flow geography isn't really my expertise. LMAO

  • @OldDrgnSlayr8542
    @OldDrgnSlayr8542 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What do you think would have happened if Germany had been able to retain these vessels after the first world war.

  • @Cancun771
    @Cancun771 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    'Prinzregent Luitpold' is quite a mouthful even for native speakers of German, lemme tell you.

    • @ringowunderlich2241
      @ringowunderlich2241 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nö, ist es nicht.

    • @Cancun771
      @Cancun771 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ringowunderlich2241 Fuck off.

    • @Diego-zz1df
      @Diego-zz1df 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Cancun771 I mean, Prinzregent is just Prince regent with no spaces.

    • @Cancun771
      @Cancun771 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Diego-zz1df Yes but try saying it three times fast, and using one of the correct German 'r' sounds.

  • @SkywalkerWroc
    @SkywalkerWroc 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Who is the author of this first colorized photo? I tried to find any website of his or even just a name/surname, but I cannot discriminate the letter in any way that would give me a good results on google. He's made a ton of colonized WW2 warship images, including tons of rare Japanese photographs.

  • @Daniel-de2jh
    @Daniel-de2jh 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cant wait to see her in war thunder

  • @hajoos.8360
    @hajoos.8360 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great failure of Highseas-Fleet-highcommand to send pre-dreadnoughts into the Jutland-Clash. Scheer's entire fleet was slowed down by them, so Scheer could not cross the British T to annihilate Jellicoes fleet. 1 German modern BB was sufficiant against 2 Brits, with the German advantage of Beatty being on the British side. Uncapable flag-officers are usually a German virtue.

    • @sarkhan_guy
      @sarkhan_guy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Iirc the general problem was the lack of a high command of the German Imperial Navy. There was no equivalent to the First Sea Lord until 1918 or so.

    • @hajoos.8360
      @hajoos.8360 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sarkhan_guy This not really true, we had some First Lord till 1916, Adm. Tirpitz. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_von_Tirpitz
      On one hand the Germans could learn from the Royal Navy and installed some technical improvements on the other hand the Germans could never compensate the missing tradition of naval officer's education as happened in Britain for 300 years. (the IJN faced the same difficulties.) On the crew - or engineer-lvl this was no problem, but in tactical or strategic thinking and planning in a leading navy-office, not in 100 years. The German imperial Navy suffered under social differences and political influences till the current day in the Bundesmarine minus the social distancing. The continental Europeans saw the military as a rich man's hobby for centuries, with some exceptions as von Manstein, Bali de Suffren or in a limited version Boney. Not so the Royal Navy, which was mainly implemented by Monk, later on for every British sea-officer the verdict on Adm. Byng counts, to express in all doings the total destruction claim against the enemy. Only in rare cases, as in the Battle of Denmark Strait, this unconditional order to attack, including all risks, was miserable. The beheaded admirals during the French revolution were not enough to implement the same spirit on the continent. Maybe the Dutch in the 17th century had the same killing-instinct as the Brits.

  • @hughfraser1547
    @hughfraser1547 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent presentation as usual , especially the names.....however need to brush up on Rosyth !!! ..:)

  • @constantinosschinas4503
    @constantinosschinas4503 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    wonder who was the first one to deside that it must be called she, in complete dissonance with the rest of english language.

  • @artcampbell5315
    @artcampbell5315 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn #18

  • @bluehillanimation326
    @bluehillanimation326 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    No pinned post hah hah, btw I was early

  • @dsloop3907
    @dsloop3907 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    3rd

  • @buckfaststradler4629
    @buckfaststradler4629 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're still not pronouncing "Rosyth" correctly - it's like RAW-SCYTHE

  • @DavidOfWhitehills
    @DavidOfWhitehills 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Its pronounced roSythe .

  • @maxkennedy8075
    @maxkennedy8075 4 ปีที่แล้ว +220

    RN ran out of her own warships to scrap so they scrapped the German fleet as well

    • @model-man7802
      @model-man7802 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      😂🤣👍

    • @bagustesa
      @bagustesa 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      modern problem require modern solution

    • @benwilson6145
      @benwilson6145 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Ernest Cox, the man who bought a Navy, great engineer

    • @dcbanacek2
      @dcbanacek2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Waste not, want not.

    • @hajoos.8360
      @hajoos.8360 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Yar Nunya the Frenchies and Brits demanded several times German presence in Belgium and France, just to remind you.

  • @stephenbond1990
    @stephenbond1990 4 ปีที่แล้ว +148

    Now just the Konig is needed to complete the set.

    • @dylanwight5764
      @dylanwight5764 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      That battleship will make a fine addition to Drachinifel's collection

    • @kaijudirector5336
      @kaijudirector5336 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yep, still waiting for those. They're my favorite HSF battleships!

    • @thecreamycrusader290
      @thecreamycrusader290 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same

    • @josephthomas8318
      @josephthomas8318 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Still waiting.

    • @josephthomas8318
      @josephthomas8318 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      In the USS Arkansas guide he mentions the Konig being a strong contender for best 12in gun armed dreadnought but doesnt elaborate on why. I'm eager for the guide on them.

  • @AEB1066
    @AEB1066 4 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Random factoid: metal saved from the scuttled German ships at Scapa Flow is still used in certain scientific instruments due to metal being made after 1944 having radioactive contamination due to nuclear bomb atmospheric testing.

    • @tomfeng5645
      @tomfeng5645 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      *Due to it being cheaper than metal made with methods avoiding such radioactive contamination

    • @canmufu3923
      @canmufu3923 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tomfeng5645 That makes plenty of sense, unlike the first statement. What, do they have to give it a special treatment finish?

    • @tomfeng5645
      @tomfeng5645 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      ​@@canmufu3923 Main issue is that standard steel manufacturing uses lots of atmospheric air in the process, which introduces a lot of radioisotopes mostly from particulates in air, if I remember correctly.
      Steel back then was made in much the same way, except without nuclear weapons, there's significantly less of such particles in the air.
      You can make steel in modern times with different methods to avoid such issues, but it's more expensive. This has to do with the process being slightly more expensive, and economies of scale.
      Steel is sufficiently expensive that wrecks are very often salvaged, so it's much easier to divert certain salvaged steels to use when this radioactivity is an issue.
      The problem is that aside for a few radiation-sensitive instruments, that tiny bit of radioactivity causes no issues, so there's no incentive to use slightly more expensive processes when normally producing steel. Therefore, any newly-made low-radioactivity steel would have to be made on special order on a much smaller scale than usual, and separately distributed. All this means that it's much more expensive than just finding pre-atomic salvaged steel, of which by far the largest legal source of is the scuttled fleet at Scapa Flow.
      Another would-be large source is the various ww2 wrecks, except those are also war graves, which sliiiightly complicates matters. Those are often illegally salvaged though, and sold off as regular steel... which tells you about the cost difference between making a custom-purpose production of low-radioactivity steel and just using certain salvaged steels.

    • @canmufu3923
      @canmufu3923 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@tomfeng5645 Excellent information, and an interesting read, thank you!

    • @Dilley_G45
      @Dilley_G45 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      After July 1945, the trinity test

  • @stevecartwright5842
    @stevecartwright5842 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Rosyth has 'y' sound like in "scythe" or "ice", with the second syllable slightly stressed. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rosyth.ogg

  • @lukum55
    @lukum55 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Still eagerly waiting for the Type VII and Type IX U-boats! U-47, U-96, U-99, U-505 and many more boats with great stories to tell.

  • @MartinCHorowitz
    @MartinCHorowitz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    DId they server Kaiser Rolls on Kaiser class batlleships? You shy away from these tough questions....

    • @psychoaiko666
      @psychoaiko666 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      They're not called Kaiser BRÖTCHEN everywhere in Germany. For instance in the northern Rheinland they're called Fett Brötchen. In other parts they may be referred to as Schnitt Brötchen. The Name Kaiser Brötchen is more of a foreign thing, although in modern German society the name is becoming more standardized.
      But still, in some parts of Germany people might not understand what you want if you ask for a Kaiser Brötchen.

    • @psychoaiko666
      @psychoaiko666 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also a Schnitt Brötchen might be roll with one slit down the middle, which is often referred to as "Normales (Brötchen)".

  • @arnonuhm6922
    @arnonuhm6922 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    "odd" and "metric system" in one sentence, that is so .. british :-)

    • @sadwingsraging3044
      @sadwingsraging3044 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I still can't believe they gave up 'freedom units' and went metric.

    • @ptonpc
      @ptonpc 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@sadwingsraging3044 It's just much more sensible to use metric and yes, the USA does use metric for some things.

    • @sadwingsraging3044
      @sadwingsraging3044 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ptonpc I use way more than just those two measurement standards and the metric to me isn't as easy because I grew up when it was easier to find something in Whitworth out in the real world than metric. Go look at some plats, survey deeds, and see what the measurements are in. I seriously doubt that a newly purchased piece of property is done in metric or that it will ever be legally recorded in metric. Ever.

    • @ptonpc
      @ptonpc 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@sadwingsraging3044 In most of the world things are measured in metric. In the UK it is metric. Although we still use a weird blend, Land is in listed in hectares but acres is also used as a secondary measurement, mostly for older people.
      If listed, it's usually in brackets eg 1 hectare (2.47105 acres). 500 grams (1.1 lbs).
      Our fuel is measured in litres but our sign posts are in imperial. You can buy wood in imperial, a two by four for example, but it's actually measured in metric.
      You get used to it.
      Yes you can still get imperial tools and parts here but they are not normally used on newer items.

    • @sadwingsraging3044
      @sadwingsraging3044 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ptonpc I could care less what most of the world does. My family learns freedom units first then catch as catch can for the rest of it. Surveys are done in feet. Those feet are *not* broken into 12 inches but into tenths then hundredths then thousandths.

  • @tommeakin1732
    @tommeakin1732 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    You have to love how one of Germaniy's national traits seems to be a "If I can't have it, nobody can" **Blows their own thing up**
    Seriously, I have never heard of another nation blow so much of their own shit up just to deprive the enemy of the resources. A lot of the time it doesn't even seem to be about destroying technology that might get captured, and it even goes into the domain of, "Well if we destroy it the enemy can't have the joy of saying they destroyed it"

    • @spirz4557
      @spirz4557 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      We French did a similar thing during WW2. Scuttling of the fleet at Toulon when Gerlany invaded the "Free Zone".

    • @tommeakin1732
      @tommeakin1732 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@spirz4557 Not saying scuttling is an purely German thing - but holy shit, it's almost *always* Germany scuttling something lol

    • @JackDrinkn2DollarJim
      @JackDrinkn2DollarJim 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The tradition is still strong with World of Tanks Arty players.

    • @thurbine2411
      @thurbine2411 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tommeakin1732maybe because they lost a lot?

  • @Big_E_Soul_Fragment
    @Big_E_Soul_Fragment 4 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    Kaiser: Jams Warspite's steering gear
    Ah, so Warspite got Bismarck'd in WW1

    • @tommeakin1732
      @tommeakin1732 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      I think to get Bismarcked you have to also be violently kicked to death while flailing your arms in a vague attempt to fight back

    • @karlvongazenberg8398
      @karlvongazenberg8398 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@tommeakin1732 After promptly KO-ing the champ

    • @Wick9876
      @Wick9876 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The IJN Hiei also belongs in that set.

    • @westcoaststacker569
      @westcoaststacker569 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hard for me to understand how little Bismark was unable to fight back like the Warspite had. Sure Bismark was going in a large circle, but what happen to the main guns accuracy before she started suffering damage to the communication cables run above the turtle back armor.
      Warspite made the best of the situation and continued fighting, fortunately they were able to repair and return home.

    • @karlvongazenberg8398
      @karlvongazenberg8398 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@westcoaststacker569 Prolly if the Bismarck had like 5 other ships and the British vessels were "orderly redeploying" away from them....

  • @WestfaliaStuff
    @WestfaliaStuff 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Huge fan from Germany here - I am really glad that you feature some of our few but still remarkable ships and wold like* to thank you or your hard work!

  • @dmcc5110
    @dmcc5110 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great video but fyi Rosyth is pronounced kind of like the way you would say "scythe" so "ros-scythe" rather than "rossith"

  • @vespelian5274
    @vespelian5274 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Kaiser and Kaiserin were also briefly engaged at the second battle of Helgoland in 1917.

    • @Diego-zz1df
      @Diego-zz1df 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Why did they break their engagement?

    • @vespelian5274
      @vespelian5274 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Diego-zz1dfJust one of those things, I guess. Between you and me, there were extraneous parties involved.

  • @Tepid24
    @Tepid24 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I might be imagining things, but I feel like the volume of the intro has been lowered in relation to the main video itself. If this is indeed the case, I just wanted to point out that I like this change. This was the first time I actually noticed that I've been turning down my volume for the intro and turning it back up afterwards.

    • @-TheRealChris
      @-TheRealChris 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yep much quieter, i've been skipping to 32 seconds for ages to avoid volume changing, much better now

  • @zoranocokoljic8927
    @zoranocokoljic8927 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Excuse my ignorance, but what's a Barrel of Butter doing in Scapa flow?

    • @Drachinifel
      @Drachinifel  4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It's a small island, the old rent to hunt seals there gave it the name :)

  • @congratsyoufoundmychannel1098
    @congratsyoufoundmychannel1098 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I'm just waiting for World of Warships to make another paper ship for the Germans call the *"Blitzkrieg"* and the Soviet Submarine tech tree Split Tier X Nuclear sub *"Vodka"* and I can't wait for the French Tier X the *"Baggett"* They already call a french Battleship "Champagne"

    • @danielchong2917
      @danielchong2917 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Probably “USS Oil” too

    • @CleveAneki
      @CleveAneki 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Champagne is being made up by a studio in St. Petersburg, so it's actually Sparkling Battleship.

    • @congratsyoufoundmychannel1098
      @congratsyoufoundmychannel1098 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CleveAneki Well Im still waiting for a Baggett to go with that Brand new Champagne them :D

  • @warrenlehmkuhleii8472
    @warrenlehmkuhleii8472 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Nobody:
    Dreadnought Battleships: Due to personal reasons our owners have decided we should die.

  • @josynaemikohler6572
    @josynaemikohler6572 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    SMS Friedrich der Große would also at Jutland be one of the ships, opening fire on HMS Black Prince. Not that it mattered much, since Black Prince was already being wrecked at point blank range by SMS Thüringen.

  • @conservativemike3768
    @conservativemike3768 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I always wonder what would have happened if German policy and engineering were more profitably focused on cargo ship and port facility improvements.

    • @willrogers3793
      @willrogers3793 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I don’t see how that would’ve changed things all that much in the event of war, Germany would still be fairly bottled up as far as access to the oceans is concerned. It might’ve had some impact on when the war broke out, though. Without Germany straining its infrastructure trying to build a fleet capable of rivaling Great Britain’s, I don’t think tensions between the two nations would have been quite as high. Granted, with Kaiser Wilhelm II in charge, and how anglophobic he was historically, he’d still probably end up ticking off Britain anyways. But maybe not to the point of Britain seeing Germany as enough of a threat to warrant allying with France.
      So maybe there’d be a little better chance for cooler heads to prevail after Archduke Franz Ferdinand got assassinated, since Britain and Germany wouldn’t have spent the better part of a decade leading up to it in a massive naval arms race? I still think WWI would’ve broken out at some point, the situation in Europe was just too much of a powder keg by then. But maybe it would’ve started a few years later? And both the Kaiserlich Marine and Royal Navy would’ve been significantly smaller.
      In any case, you should consider asking again in the pinned post for Q&A in tomorrow’s Drydock episode! It’ll probably take Drach a couple months to get around to answering, but he’ll likely be able to give you a better-informed answer.

    • @conservativemike3768
      @conservativemike3768 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Will Rogers // You eventually bumped into my underlying thoughts: a less dysfunctional Kaiser pushing policies more focused on cooperative economics with Britain and France than Mahan’s recipe for geopolitical disaster and and economic bankruptcy. Bismarck’s rule #1 (maintain alliance with Russia) would have been maintained, Russian bankruptcy would have been staved off (thus no Commies in Russia, China, or anywhere else), European trade would have expanded, globalism accelerated, related technologies accelerated, no WWI, no Spanish flu, no WWII, no Japanese adventurism, no global depression, etc. Britain keeps their capital ships, Germany supplies the most advanced commercial designs to operate under British protection and insured by Lloyd’s of London... all hunky dory and kumbaya. Unfortunately, inbred royalty sucks.

    • @SkywalkerWroc
      @SkywalkerWroc 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@conservativemike3768 Noone was thinking about it in those terms back in a day. Keep in mind that the modern ideas of capitalism, stability, globalisation, democratic order and so on emerged after WW2, *because* of those traumatic experiences, and later on: failure of communism. The fact that we enjoy this unprecedented time of peace in Europe is largely thanks to the fact that we still remember WW2 and don't let ourselves be swamped by nationalism or communism.

    • @conservativemike3768
      @conservativemike3768 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Skywalker / Of course, the concepts we automatically consider didn’t exist in 1900. This is a broad “what if” discussion, which I typically avoid for obvious reasons. Still, it makes for an interesting/creative parley.

  • @stonehartfloydfan
    @stonehartfloydfan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    -HMNZS New Zealand on the list.. well I am happy :-)

    • @thomas316
      @thomas316 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Could do HMNZS Moa as well. 😂

    • @Ledabot
      @Ledabot 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      A subs worst nightmare! A... Mine layer?

  • @seafreedom334
    @seafreedom334 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How about the K boats? That should provide an entertaining extended video! Or two!!

  • @jagerdergroe8604
    @jagerdergroe8604 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The last time I was early this joke was still funny.

    • @Bird_Dog00
      @Bird_Dog00 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So, you were allready alive during the hadean? Cool.

    • @Alpostpone
      @Alpostpone 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Bird_Dog00 Haven't heard _that_ before. That's rare around these parts.

  • @noahhowrilla4208
    @noahhowrilla4208 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love when I can use Drachinifel as a source when writing a paper

  • @didnothing2308
    @didnothing2308 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Sir Drach, i hear you don't approve of the metric system... but as an engineer, aren't you supposed to use it as well?

    • @spartanalex9006
      @spartanalex9006 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He's British. They invented and used the imperial system up until very recently. Most British people still learn it.

    • @Alpostpone
      @Alpostpone 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I get that period measurements are often easier to spell out in inches, but as a metric native it's just confusing.

    • @sadwingsraging3044
      @sadwingsraging3044 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Alpostpone Freedom units aren't free. You must always fight for freedom units.

    • @Drachinifel
      @Drachinifel  4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'm a weird hybrid, I tend to use Imperial for anything over half and inch but switch to mm for small measurements. I use more metric in volume measures though.

    • @jnf519
      @jnf519 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Some of us are old enough to have been brought up on BOTH systems. One tends to loosely switch between them depending on convenience and context.

  • @d-cat8198
    @d-cat8198 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So fascinated by these Dreadnaughts. Looking at minute 2:00 the main guns remind me of the old game rock'em sock'em robots. Good Lord these things were enormous!

  • @Astrostevo
    @Astrostevo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Those midships turret guns seem pretty unusual for battleships don't they - or is it just me? (certainly NOT an expert or anything here.) Were these the only ships they were tried on and why didn't they work or not get used on other battleships / battlecrusiers etc?

  • @commodoresquid4130
    @commodoresquid4130 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yes
    My favorite Dreadnoughts!
    Thank you Drach!

  • @ceddavis
    @ceddavis 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have you done the CSS Hunley? Built in Mobile, AL, it was the first submarine to sink an enemy ship.
    .

  • @Foxttellio
    @Foxttellio 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ah yes, i drew hms thunderchild

  • @LaVictoireEstLaVie
    @LaVictoireEstLaVie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Metric System for the win!

  • @EstorilEm
    @EstorilEm 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    DRACH I have a weird one for you - can you do a video on the S.S. United States and why it was (err, still is?) the fastest trans-atlantic ship of its type in the world 3/4 of a century later? I understand some of the sheer horsepower involved, but it might make an interesting quick topic as far as hull design, displacement, and propulsion types of the day. Thanks!

  • @MrZenwise
    @MrZenwise 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wonder what kind of refit it takes to be, "Flagship" worthy :)

  • @Dilley_G45
    @Dilley_G45 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The "Bayern" class ... the first syllable is stressed in Bayern, and its not bay "urn" but bay "ern", like in "chernobyl"

  • @Aelvir114
    @Aelvir114 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What World of Warships should’ve had. The Kaiser they gave us was just a lying eyesore.

  • @edwardpennacchini7841
    @edwardpennacchini7841 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very good looking and tough ships. They should have tried turrets with triple guns.

  • @starrionx1
    @starrionx1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Drach- Could you do a special on the raising of the wrecks from Scapa flow?

    • @benwilson6145
      @benwilson6145 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You need to read. The Man Who Bought a Navy: by Gerald Bowman,.Tells the story of Ernest Cox's Salvage of the fleet

  • @benjaminarnold2881
    @benjaminarnold2881 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why are coastal warships written about so highly? Because they are Litorally the best!

  • @panjikusumo9779
    @panjikusumo9779 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    God that belt armour is thick: 12-inch gun, 13.8-inch belt.

    • @joekuncl3443
      @joekuncl3443 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Someone is compensateing?

    • @ringowunderlich2241
      @ringowunderlich2241 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Because the belt armor was meant to match the British 14 inch guns.

    • @hanselsihotang
      @hanselsihotang 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The German had different approach compared to GB in regards of Guns vs Armor relationship.
      GB: we don't have enough displacement to get big guns and thick armor? Reduce the armor you silly! Bigger gun is always better.
      GE: we we don't have enough displacement to get big guns and thick armor? Nah, reduce the gun caliber, we need the armor more.
      The result shows itself in the Battle of Jutland.

    • @willrogers3793
      @willrogers3793 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean, you’re not wrong...especially considering that it’s even thicker than Bismarck’s armor belt (13.8” vs 13”).

    • @ringowunderlich2241
      @ringowunderlich2241 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Nguyen Johnathan
      No, but back then it was considered, that an armor of the same thickness as the gun caliber it may meet, would be sufficient as protection.

  • @dobypilgrim6160
    @dobypilgrim6160 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So much money and resources spent for so little tangible results. Once again...

    • @Cancun771
      @Cancun771 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Germany actually levied a *champagne tax* to help finance the High Sees Fleet build-up. And of course it is still in effect *to this very day,* for the sole reason of stuffing pork barrels. -
      Had my ancestors just drunk a bit more bubbly, then maybe we'd have gotten that extra front turret after all! Maybe that would have made all the difference and won us Jutland!

  • @kaizermierkrazy6886
    @kaizermierkrazy6886 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow I'm a ship!

  • @fabiomarangon2748
    @fabiomarangon2748 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Had Hitler fallen down a flight of stairs and broken his neck in 1938, do you think the Kriegsmarine could have fixed their destroyers, cruisers and battleships, making them more stableand reliable, now that they wouldn't be dragged in a war they are not ready to fight? Also, if you were in charge of a big program to make the existing Kriegsmarine ships better, how would you go about fixing stuff like the 1934/1934A and 1936A destroyers or the Konigsbergs and Hippers? Which ships would take precedence and how could they be fixed? Is the 1938/39 refit of the Karlsruhe a good one, for example?

    • @fabiomarangon2748
      @fabiomarangon2748 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Nguyen Johnathan I get that, but what I meant is that without a sudden war, the Navy would have more time and maybe more money to fix its issues. I was kind of implying that the armed forces keep the same administration and funding that they had in the years immediately before the war. Otherwise, who's to say the Kriegsmarine doesn't take over and herds all the money for itself?

    • @TheKingofbrooklin
      @TheKingofbrooklin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The 1936A was a solid design and it was the most build german destroyer type which compensated some of the badly designed destroyers. I also dont see any problem with the Hipper.

    • @TheKingofbrooklin
      @TheKingofbrooklin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Nguyen Johnathan The experienced crews of the Hipper class had boiler problem mostly in check and it would have been fixable during peace times.
      What do you mean with short legged ?

    • @fabiomarangon2748
      @fabiomarangon2748 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheKingofbrooklin Well, the 36A were pretty unstable due to being top-heavy, and bow-heavy, at least those with the twin turret at the front. As for the Hippers, they worked, sure, but they were monstrously oversized. The Prinz Eugen pushed 19.000 tons full load! Contemporary heavy cruisers weighed around two thirds of that, and the Hippers weren't better armed, or faster, or better protected. If you have a 19.000 ton cruiser, shouldn't it somehow be better than a 13.000 ton one?

    • @TheKingofbrooklin
      @TheKingofbrooklin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fabiomarangon2748 The ones with the turret were few experimental versions.
      I dont know why the Hippers were more heavy. The designers most likely had their reasons but this needs some research.

  • @indyrock8148
    @indyrock8148 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why the rear superfiring turret? They were planning on fighting while running away?

    • @TheKingofbrooklin
      @TheKingofbrooklin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Most likely because of the performance in the sea. It makes the ship less topheavy. Also WW1 battleships were mostly planned to fight in a battleline and the turretplacement didnt matter as much while doing so.

  • @ross.venner
    @ross.venner 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Royal Navy had limited merchant targets in the North Sea during either war. The R Class submarines of 1918 with their high under water speed and large number of 18 inch torpedos seems to make excellent sense. Why was the concept not developed in WW2 when they could have been effective hunting u-boats?

  • @marcusfranconium3392
    @marcusfranconium3392 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The kaiser class dreadnought was the base for the dutch dreadnaughts , larger and improved layout , 4 superfiring turrents 14 inch guns and 16 casemates 8 inch guns. lighter armourbelt but 2 knots faster,

  • @Truckndaddy2004
    @Truckndaddy2004 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Drachinifel this guide 177 and 178 are duplicated in your battleship playlist. Other than that good job and keep up the great work!!

  • @jaycrank8163
    @jaycrank8163 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can there be more information about the salvage of the WW1 ships for wrecking.

  • @caringancoystopitum4224
    @caringancoystopitum4224 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Perhaps a dumb question, I don't know... But what are those poles, or pipe looking things that are often seen on the sides of Battleships of this era?

  • @lowereducation6631
    @lowereducation6631 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    How about adding the Des Moines class heavy cruisers to the list?

  • @ViperGTS737
    @ViperGTS737 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    may i ask about the intro music, the link provided doesnt work

  • @johntowel8103
    @johntowel8103 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    He should do a video on the 18 inch gun Montana class vs Yamamoto of course tho he could change things on the Montana to come up with different out comes

  • @largeman7243
    @largeman7243 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about the type II uboats of the kriegsmarine?

  • @stealthbanana
    @stealthbanana 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid, but please learn how to pronounce Rosyth.

  • @AtomicBabel
    @AtomicBabel 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Last time I was this early, Ersatz was for ships and not Coka Cola

  • @tomaszszustka3485
    @tomaszszustka3485 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you do a guide to Narvik classe KMS destroyers?

  • @finlayfraser9952
    @finlayfraser9952 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rosith?? Rosyth, pronounced Rossithe!

  • @kineuhansen8629
    @kineuhansen8629 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    ? have you ever played world of warship

  • @level98bearhuntingarmor
    @level98bearhuntingarmor 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Personally I love this class

  • @jacobsizemore4398
    @jacobsizemore4398 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please review USS Alabama

  • @kkhagerty6315
    @kkhagerty6315 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Long have I waited

  • @nuclearjanitors
    @nuclearjanitors 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hangover squad, reporting in.

  • @709badwolf
    @709badwolf 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice!

  • @paulabraham2550
    @paulabraham2550 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Forgive my ignorance. I suspect that to the majority of viewers of this channel this question will appear somewhat callow. But what are the pipe like parallel diagonal structures down either side of the main hull in many of the pictures?

    • @wisemanner5012
      @wisemanner5012 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​Generally, when there are many, in this era, they were for hanging anti-torpedo nets from. But they can also sometimes be "boat booms" for mooring the large ship's small boats to. This will prevent the tenders from bumping against the large ship's hull in a seaway. It is clearly explained here: navyadvancement.tpub.com/12018/css/Boat-Booms-227.htm
      and employed here on HMS Queen Elizabeth: www.flickr.com/photos/alimarante/8575216807

  • @stevenmoore4612
    @stevenmoore4612 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Germans had some the finest ships ever constructed! Sure they didn’t match the numbers of the Royal Navy, but the overall quality and the latest “German Engendered” technologies packed into the ships somewhat offset the numerical disadvantage.

    • @solmonbutdead6148
      @solmonbutdead6148 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No it didn’t

    • @adaw2d3222
      @adaw2d3222 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Absurd.

    • @twotone3471
      @twotone3471 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't think the UK ships were inferior. Battlecruisers were never meant to be in fleet actions, and paid the price for being placed in one. The UK Dreadnaughts did pretty well, about as well as their German counterparts. UK paid the price for poor ammunition handling and Taking Battlecruisers into a slugging match with properly armored ships, but does that make German ships better for it?

    • @stevenmoore4612
      @stevenmoore4612 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The British had good technology yes, and they had good ships! I’m not saying they were bad. In fact all major navies had great ships and modern technology. It’s just that Germany stands out a bit in overall construction of their warships. It’s why so my developing navies ordered ships from Germany.

  • @roberthogue5138
    @roberthogue5138 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    w
    What are the diagonal pipes on the side of this ship?

    • @davidgreen6822
      @davidgreen6822 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      These are retracted booms that when swung out at 90 degrees to the hull would have anti torpedo nets hanging a few meters below the waters surface when deployed , obviously when the ship was at anchor. although the hull had a nice thick armoured belt a torpedo attack would do considerable damage this equipment was pretty common on both the Royal Navy,and the imperial german and Austro Hungarian Turkish Navy Capital Ships as The technology of torpedos improved these nets would hopefully catch the incoming torpedo before it hit the ship ..

    • @christophpoll784
      @christophpoll784 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      They also tried to deploy them at sea... with little to no effect