SMS Von der Tann - Guide 137 (Extended)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- The first German battlecruiser, SMS Von Der Tann, is today's subject.
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Pinned post for Q&A :)
Not related to this vid, but...you keep listing members of the "US Navy ran aground in home waters club". Is there a full list anywhere? :P
New to this channel here. I don´t know if you have covered this issue earlier, but could you elaborate about the modern feasibility of the battleship, please?
Question for the Q&A: Seeing as they were both commissioned within a few months of one another and ended up fighting at Jutland, which do you consider the better design; SMS Von der Tann or HMS Indefatigable? Both represent an attempt to improve on the basic Invincible design and although Von der Tann sank Indefatigable historically, that can be blamed at least in part on the BCF's dangerous ammunition handling - which isn't really a design feature...
Hey Drac, Which do you think would have been for the Iowa's? their intended Mark 2 naval rifles, or the Mark 7's they actually got?
Also, If Germany had been allowed to choose which ships it kept after ww1, up to a tonnage limit, instead of basically loosing everything at the end of the war, which ships would you have kept and which do you think the Germans would have kept?
What’s the deal with those houses/structures on top of salvaged ships? Did salvaging crews live on the wreck?
Achievement unlocked: Iron Dogs.
Description: You have talked about every class of battlecruisers build or planned for the Highs Seas Fleet. The Kaiser would be proud!
Seydlitz and Derflinger (the true iron dog) are still left to talk about. The Mackensen, while never completed, might be worth to talk about as well. At least to collect the achievement in its full glory.
@@ringowunderlich2241 Actually, the Seydlitz was covered in one of the firts voiced videos and the Mackensen got covered in old robo videos. Derfflinger got covered this year (is guide 103 I think)
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Is that so? Well i blame it on Drachs output frequency. One might easily lose track of all the ships and classes covered already ;)
@@ringowunderlich2241 If we bring up Mackensen we can atleast enjoy it in wows as Prinz Eitel Friedrich , the ship is beautifull :)
I always assumed that the reason why producers choose robo-narration, is because they just don't have the voice for it, or they just aren't particularly good at public speaking. But neither of those issues apply to these videos. So, Im surprised he didn't voice all of the videos from the get-go, as he is actually very good at narrating, and has a good voice for it.
Imagine being the crew in the late stages of Jutland. "Our guns are back online!" -- 5 seconds later "Crap! They're down again!" *boom* "Our fire control guys are dead. Screw it, let's go hang out with some equally useless fellows: the pre-dreads." Also, did anyone else notice they seemed to have a house stuck on the keel of the capsized ship at the end for no apparent reason?
I got curious and looked it up. They were part of the salvage operation. The ships that settled upside down were towed from Scotland to England upside down. So one of the two houses was for pumping equipment, and the other housed the crew.
The first iteration of the third bridge.
@@Deevo037 Oh! Like the third bridge on the Space Battleship Yamato... hanging out there exposed with no defensive weaponry around it?
@@MarcinDruzdzel That explains why _Derfflinger_ also had houses on her keel in _her_ class's video.
Oh man this sounds a bit like bismarck and hood.
>sinks a brit by mag detonation
>steering gear damaged
Foreshadowing events
>Gets severely damaged in the same fight<
>Is on the bottom not long afterward<
>gets sunk whilst still the newest operational Capital Ship in its fleet<
Yup; if speaking of the SMS Lutsow; it's definitely a foreshadowing of Germany's screwup with the Bismarck XD.
I'd love to see a video about the German naval internment and subsequent mass scuttling of the High Seas Fleet.
Hello, videos about the German High Seas Fleet internment and scuttling already exist.
Try this one: th-cam.com/video/o1Vn2lkX2yA/w-d-xo.html
and this one:
th-cam.com/video/vDdez8gU3PU/w-d-xo.html
@@harrylor66 Sure, but I bet Drach would have some good jokes about it.
The BBC have done several excellent shows about this period, bless them. th-cam.com/video/_2933BcyJ6I/w-d-xo.html Don't guarantee that you can watch this where you are, but it is great stuff!
Please no don't that would make me cry
@@Metal_Auditor Ok!
That was a brave captain to stay in line after his gun were knocked out.
Yeah, it takes a special kind of man to see his command as dispensable for the greater good. Nelson had this quality.
Captain had potential damage task he had to complete.
Yes. With the qualifier that in WWI, being able to take evasive action without regard for disrupting own ship's firing solutions can greatly decrease the likelihood of taking hits.
HMS Invincible: (Exist)
Irony: (Happinesses noises)
Also Invincible: oldest Battlecruiser in the fleet (and the world), yet mortally wounds the newest German ship with her final salvoes.
Excellent commentary, aided by photographs l had never seen before, of the Jutland damage...
8:36 and the damage-con wasn´t ready because the dude used it previously for the jammed rudder.
Glupi Medo And the British cruisers blew up bcz RNG decided to introduce them to the "fun and engaging" mechanics of detonation.
@@samiahmed5559 That point when you have realism in the form of "mag go boom and you die" then include grossly inappropriate paper ships, reloading torps on ships that carried no reloads for their torps(and needed a crane to do so), and infinite planes.
@@Grimmwoldds shhhhhh
Hey! von der Tann has just been released in World of Warships... and what do you know, they have the Russian style Fast Damage Control Team.
Morning, 'the social discontent was never satisfactorily resolved'. My morning chuckle.
Fantastic video sir......I love the names of the various WW1 German Battlecruisers and Dreadnoughts.
Especially Von Der Tann, Seydlitz and Derfflinger. The British also had some amazing names for its various capital ships.
the Brits absolutely take the cake for ship names. who else would dare to build a flower class?
@@lars7935 The Orion and Majestic classes have the best names for any class of ships ever.
@@admiraltiberius1989I'm with you on the Orion class, and there's also the Bellerophon and of course the class Dreadnought for amazing names. But personally, I'd say that the crown for best name goes to the follow up class to the Orion... the Iron Duke!
As for the names of german ships or ship classes... well, the cruisers and battleships can't really win many prizes, since they were named after towns and kingdoms/principalities. That leaves the "Große Kreuzer" for great names, and of those I'd chose Seydlitz, the shell magnet, or how I like to call her "die gute alte Eisenhütte". ^^ It shares the first place with the never finished Mackensen class because it was named after August von Mackensen, who I personally admire for his sense of dedication despite all his faults.
@@sd501st5 You also had an H class possibly being called the Berlichingen, shame that name was never used anywhere else.
@@admiraltiberius1989 Well, Götz von Berlichingen could be a good name for a WW1 "Großer Kreuzer" or WW2 Heavy Cruiser... but I actually like the tradition of naming german battleships for the various kingdoms etc. that formed Germany, which is even carried on in the modern day with the frigates, them being the biggest surface vessels of the modern Bundesmarine.
Since you brought up battleship H though(and H specifically, not the H class or battleship J)... years ago I had a single page scan of a document that looked quite official and I dare even say original, which was signed by Admiral Erich Raeder. I went to some lengths to compare that signature with others of Raeder, and it looked authentic. The page was the the last in a short memorandum dated 20th of December 1939, proposing that battleship H be named "Admiral Graf Spee", replacing the recently lost Panzerschiff of the same name.
Of course, as with all things which could be very valuable but which you are sceptic about, I did not take enough precautions and the file was eventually lost thanks to the "reliability" of Windows XP.
If that scan turns out to have been indeed authentic some day, my rage scream will probably be heard even in Montevideo...
Ah the German High Seas Fleet collect of this week is complete. Love the vid Drach, keep it up.
My 3 year old asked me if we could buy this "boat" from the store. She really likes the flags too :)
Well then get her a model of the ship 😁😁
@@LuqmanHM I have a 19ft/~6m boat, so I think she is thinking 1:1 scale. She also muttered something about ducks.
Does anyone else have a soft spot for HMS Tiger:-)! Good to know she actually managed to hit something for a change:-)!
@@stanleyrogouski Americans and their treaties:-S!
You sign a treaty, it's your treaty too.
Personally i think we should have "sold" her to Canada or Australia. "No we don't have an 13.5" battlecruiser, no it's not ours it's Australian/Canadian honest:-)!"
Good morning Drach! 😎
I love german battlecruisers....something about them...
Me too!
That low profile and relative lack of superstructure. Two funnels are more easy on the eyes as well.
I know, just mean looking, aren't they. Purposeful looking, no-nonsense design and engineering.
@@jimpollard9392 totally aesthetic, specifically derflinger, but hood also has a good look
Absolutely! My favourite were the Derfflinger class 😁😁. Such beauty
"My favourite were the Derfflinger class 😁😁. Such beauty"
I remember giving the British "Derfflinger" while playing Jutland. (Good days, good days.)
Excellent video after re-watching the Moltke (voice) video.
All of your videos are highly entertaining and the time is well spent. A change from the, "The 5 Minute Guide to Warships (more or less)", to "The 5 Minute Guide, Maybe 10, Maybe (much) More", would be in keeping with the (highly appreciated) dry wit. Again, many thanks!!!
Thank you for blessing us warship jesus
Let me guess kinda like Gun Jesus...?
@@steveshoemaker6347 Don't forget the Tank Jesus aka The Chieftain
@@theleva7 ??OK...Tank..? Jesus....I did not know about a Tank called Jesus....That is a new one on me...!
And MRE jesus aka steve1989
You've been spoiling us the last few days! It's very interesting to see photos of battle damage, you found many for this one. :)
That the Germans did not have so much high quality coal for their ships seems a bit analogous to the situation in the later war, when they did not have high octane aviation gasoline. A significant edge the allies had over Germany. The Daimler-Benz V-12 engines in the Bf-109 had significantly more displacement than the Rolls-Royce Merlin that powered Spitfires and Mustangs, as partial compensation. Germany seemed always handicapped in this sort of resource contest, in comparison to the allied access to global resources.
One of the reasons that Germany was never likely to win any of the wars after the combustion engine replaced horses and sails.
They did have access to lots of light metals like aluminium and magnesium though- so the DB engines were actually slightly lighter than equally powerful allied ones despite their larger displacement. Of course that wasn't a perfect solution: I'm not sure how the lightweight construction affected durability and service life, but I doubt that an aluminium crankcase is as resistant to battle damage as a forged steel one.
@Jim pollard. Indeed around 1935/36 there was a need for high octane fuel. Even the Condor mission to Spain was endangered. But Standard Oil delivered right in time all the quality fuel for it. Thanks to IG Farben and their subsidary in the US. In 1939 Ethyl supplied lead tetraethyl right away to enable Adolf to fly over Poland. Only then the Germans had the full know how for lead tetra ethyl.
That is my humble knowledge on this subject. If you can teach me more, I would be glad.
Couple of things: while there was certainly a difference, is more complex than simply more octanes = more power. German aviation gasoline was 87 octanes for the most part (C3 fuel was a bit better), while Allied aviation gasoline routinely crossed the 100 octane rating.
Here is the thing: octanes don't mean that the gasoline is more powerful (or at least not directly, I am oversimplifying things), but rather a measure of its resistance to detonation. The higher the octane, the better compression you can achieve before detonation occurs. The Germans use a very simple workaround: they used additives. They sprayed the mix with a compound of methanol and water that had a powerful anti detonation effect, and in practice worked as using high octane gasoline comparable to that of the Allied aircraft.
The mutany id not only led to the end of the operation, but also to the end of the empire in general.
The German Empire was already doomed there was nothing the German Navy could have done to change that.
All these good digitally colorized photos by Irootoko Jr. make for excellent backgrounds.
**Yay! I officially became the 1,000th thumbs up!(which sorta makes up for missing my truck odometer's rollover to 100,000miles, by less than 1 mile! Well, not really). Anyway, how awesome would it have been for several(or all) of these Pre -WW1 and WW1 era battlecruisers and battleships to have been saved as museum ships! **
I envy the British for their narrator voices.
I've never understood why virtually all navies in the Dreadnought period thought casemate guns mounted at the extreme bow and stern positions were a good idea. Not only could any practical gunnery officer have told them that such positions were nearly impossible to fight in anything other than nearly calm seas, they were a positive menace to the ship's safety. It was nearly impossible to seal any casemate position from incoming seawater. Positions located at such extreme positions were subjected to battering seas from the bow and following seas at the stern. Nevertheless, battleships and battlecruisers continued to be built with such gun positions right to WWI, when experience showed why they were such a bad idea. This led to almost all of them having to be refit, with the positions plated over, thereby losing six to eight guns of their secondary battery. I just shake my head every time I see an armament layout for ships like the Von Der Tann.
Part of it was to do with increased speed, a casemate at a height and position that was workable at 14-16 knots was a very different story at 21 knts or more :)
@@Drachinifel Indeed, and it seemed to take the USN longer than most to to discover this obvious fact. It wasn't until the 1913 Pennsylvania class that the casemates were finally raised to a position where they could be fought in most seas and were less of a danger of flooding the ship. It was also the first USN dreadnought that came off the ways without that most ridiculous of casemate positions, directly over the stern, looking for all the world like some misplaced simian proboscis. :-)
@@sarjim4381 That might also have to do with the limited experience that the USN had in rough seas, working mostly in the Pacific and Carribean. There seas are predictable and relatively calm, or so bad that nothing is possible due to a hurricane. If I have understood correctly.
Places like the North Sea and North Atlantic have much more of conditions that are bad, but not so bad that you could not fight at all.
@@rogerwilco2 Yep.
@@rogerwilco2 I'm not sure I buy that. It's not like the US doesn't have a long Atlantic coastline. I think the seas off Nantucket are about as rough as anything you'll find in the North Sea, as most fishermen can attest to. I sailed extensively in the Atlantic and Caribbean sides of the Windwards, and the passage between Barbados and St. Lucia had some of the roughest seas I've ever been in.
I think the USN's plethora of casemate guns were just a design consideration, a crossover between the old ship of the line days and modern battleships. The more guns coming out the hull, the more powerful the ship. The USN before WWI didn't really expect to be fighting any European navy. Their designs were, to a certain extent, meant to impress South American countries, some of which were in a naval arms race with each other and the USN. The USN also had zero experience with fighting at battlecruiser speeds. Look at how quickly the RN abandoned hull mounted casemates once they had battlecruisers that could fight at speeds above 25 knots.
It's also not like the USN was the only navy that had all the low and extreme mounted casemate guns. All the major navies before WWI had them, again because the more 5" to 6" guns in the hull, the better. It was only the combat experience in WWI, with trying to fight these guns at the higher speeds of modern dreadnoughts, that showed them to be largely a waste of space and displacement. As Drach said, fighting these mounts at 15-17 knots was a much different proposition than at 21-23 knots, or even higher, in the cases of RN and German battlecruisers. Casemates in general, and low and extreme mounted casemates in particular, were just leftovers from a previous warship era.
Well done. I really have soft spot for the Von der Tann...
So did HMS Indefatigable...
(ETA: Too soon?)
Love your vid's. Tonnes of info in them. Thanks for taking the time to do this.
Thank you
My absolut Favorit battlecruiser
Thank you very much for this video
I have been thinking, would it be a good idea to upload the scripts for the past drydocks so the subscribers can read them? It might mean we can find if some of our questions have been answered previously, rather then trawling through the 50+ uploads. Plus, it might provide some very interesting offline reading.
Yes! Thank You, been waiting since November for this, now the set is complete
How about a good stand alone video on the USS Laffey (DD-724), an Allen M. Sumner-class destroyer. The ship earned the nickname "The Ship That Would Not Die". She withstood a determined assault by conventional bombers and the most unrelenting kamikaze air attacks in history during the battle of Okinawa. She's actually still afloat, in Charleston South Carolina.
You need ships for April 1st, the USS Sable and USS Wolverine.
HMS Pinafore...
I'd say the Novgorod, but he's already covered the Russian pancake monitors.
In documentaries, I thought for the longest time that there was a German Battlecruiser called "Wonder Town" pronounced with a german accent.
The picture of her overturned hull shows why she rolled so badly - the turn of her bilge is far too slack to resist rolling adequately. Had the radius been half of what it was, she would have been much more resistant to rolling
@Jimmy De'Souza The "turn of the bilge" is the radius between the bottom and sides of the hull. The larger the radius, the less resistance to rolling the hull has. Tighter radiuses are more difficult to build, but they make the ship more stable.
@Jimmy De'Souza No reason to apologize. I design sailboats, so hull shapes are my thing...
The bottom should be as broad and flat as practicable, the hull side being vertical helps with that, and the radius where they meet should be as tight as can be efficiently manufactured. If the hull sides were to cant out even further, that would increase resistance to rolling if we were only talking about the hull shape, but the wider deck that gives also makes her heavier above the waterline, which reduces stability.
Whether boats or ships, every decision is a compromise. This decision affects that use, and, DAMN!!!, I forgot about that other thing...
Recalculating. (Now I sound like a GPS)
I love my Saturday morning coffee and Drach.
Those colourised pictures, wow!
Very satisfying click to get this to 1K likes. Underrated channel Mr. TH-cam.
10:48 Oh look. An evolution of the MN Massena.
So, next week is Massena? Is that the French floating hotel from hell? Probably the most steampunk looking ship ever built.
Dave
The worst battleship ever built in all likelihood.
Thanks as always Drach
I find it interesting that Germany favoured a triple screw propulsion system for their BB's, but all the BC's were built with 4 screws. Is there any reason they did this?
i was told my grandfather served on this ship as a stoker and was repatriated from Scapa Flow before the scuttling of the fleet. Unfortunately, I don't have any more details than this.
Von der Tann - Tann with a "soft a".
"Fonn der Tunn" pronounced in English should work reasonably well.
@@sthenzel Yup.
Great as always
I really wish to hear about the Kaiser and König class.
Superb
Great photos.
FYI: It's pronounced "Fon der Tann" as V in german is pronounced as F.
(There are a few exceptions to the rule)
Now it sounds french!
Excellent video, as always.
YEEEEEES!!! thanks for this nice
Mydesptop background 😂
Great video. Very informative!
As ever, interesting Drach, seeing the VdT up side down with a shed on her plating, how about an extended vid about the Scapa scuttling AND the salvage efforts of messrs Cox & Danks
alan beautiful sight that.
Thanks very much...!
Lots of early battleships and large cruisers had underwater torpedo tubes. Did these ships ever use these in battle very much?
As Drach' mentions in a couple of Drydock's; nope.
HMS Rodney torpedoing Bismarck is the only known WWII instance where both use thereof and claimed hits occured. In general it just wasn't a very useful feature in either war, as battle ranges for gunfire only made them useful for finishing off an otherwise disarmed foe... which Cruisers & Destroyers could do more easily and at less risk to major fleet assets.
A proud vessel :)
For a first gen battlecruiser she had a pretty good career
Looking at the boat stowage, if you fired one of the waist turrets across the deck the blast would probably reduce your own boats to matchwood pretty quickly.
I think that was understood to be part of the "cosmetic damage".
I think in some cases they even threw these things over board to prevent them becoming a fire hazard in a fight.
@@rogerwilco2 rescue boats, I doubt. Paint and (later) aviation gasoline? Absolutely a fire hazard in combat.
Battle Cruisers were a fine idea...so long as Admirals remember that they were NEVER designed to stand in ANY kind of line of battle, especially against Battleships!
Love the Videos! How about one on the USS Weiss
The colorized images were very nice! I suppose "tech" can actually do some good now and then.
So, if they couldn't redesign Blucher, but could still build Von der Tann, why did they build Blucher anyways?
I expect they needed a ship in the water, in less time than Von der Tann was going to take.
From my understanding Blucher was already laid down when the intel on invincible was corrected
When blucher was laid down the exact things were notnknow as drach said and was thought to be a repeat of dreadnought with a single main caliber guns as battery the 9.2 inch guns
The postcard stated that the Von Der Tann what's the fastest ship in the world. I thought the RMS Mauritania was faster.
I couldn’t find this ship in your vids, perhaps I overlooked it. But if you haven’t I think it would be nice if you could make a video about the Emden and the Caravan of Sailors. Again, apologies if I didn’t find it
It's still to come 😊
@@Drachinifel Yeay! It might not be the biggest ship in the ocean but possibly the one with the most exciting story
Would you do a guide for BB 3 "Bulldog of the Navy" please?
A question: Having bought Breyer's classic on capital ships as my first serious warship book, I have all these years read of the superiority of German underwater protection to that of (pretty much all) other nations' capital ships. Von der Tann is most favorably compared to her British battlecruiser contemporaries. Is tat so, in your opinion? TIA
Von der Tann, which, of course, is German for "from the Tann".
When these ships in WW1 and WW2 engaged with their guns what percent of rounds fired actually hit?
If Blücher had been a second Von Der Tann and survived the battle that sank Blücher and made it to Jutland how much use would an extra battle cruiser have been?
Wasnt there some talk about releasing the dry dock as podcast available audio?
Check the soundcloud link in the description :)
Does anybody know the name of the German Projetist responsible for the "Von der Tann" ? Hans Bürkner ?
Could the Kirov class battlecruiser or admiral kunetzov be a 5 minute guide even though they are more modern
The first German battlecruiser, SMS Von Der Tann
How do you pronounce Jutland? I hear it pronounced phonetically some times and other times Yut-land.
Are you just analogising it so it's familiar to English speakers who can't "do foreign"? Or is that actually the correct name?
(I looked at the Wikipedia pronunciation and just got confused)
"narrow avoiding a clash with British battlecruisers" --- well, there's your problem right there.
I wonder if some of your videos are getting a boost in views lately.
Less guns - more speed - who would win ?
Would anyone happen to know what that music piece is that is used to open the videos?
I hope someone can answer me this.
I have trouble repairing a lego construction after gravity remembers it exists in my room as well.
How in the world do engineers manage to repair a ship's turrets or the engines after a hit? I've only ever seen the engine rooms of Belfast and a handful of destroyers. Those were mightily impressive (and difficult to get around in for some of the heavier visitors). How would an engineer manage to patch up anything in those?
Make the moving parts move again, and the non-moving parts not move any more. Plug any holes where things are leaking out.
Nowadays we use WD-40 and duck tape. I don't know what they used back in the day.
Welding equipment and pieces of metal and wood and nails might also be involved.
I visited the battleship USS North Carolina and they had a whole section with a large work shop that could fabricate just about anything on the ship from whole steel kept in storage for this purpose. If a turret ring was bent it would be nothing for them to grind off or even weld in a quick repair given enough time. It is an evolution of the old ship's carpenter into the age of coal and steel. Today they use more of a pull and plug in of replacement parts rather then repairing or fabricating parts. However, with the new fabrication print technology it may be possible to go back to the old system of fabrication rather then using stoage space for replacement parts.
@@georgeeverette3912
Yeah, I've seen the metal working shop on the Belfast, which I presume would do the very same thing. Still, it boggles the mind.
Patching and machines shops that could fabricate small but complex parts. If the engine or a significant part of it needed to be replaced they had to cut a hole in the ship to do so. Turrets could only be lifted by the strongest cranes in docks and not all the nations sold battleships had the facilities to do so but again for the most part you are just patching and mending. Gravity keeps the turret weighing hundreds of tonnes on its mountings and while you may lose a tooth or two in the turret ring you just made do and accepted the reduced performance until a lengthy refurbishment stay was possible.
Think I’ve watched every video, please continue up to modern day vessels
How about something about the Zeppelins? They were run by the navy, weren't they? Like the Macon and Akron in the U.S. and there ought to be a video about them, don't you think? They qualify as naval subjects.
USS Idaho
Its a shame, that no German warship was preserved, except for a few U-boats...
Scrapping her seems a real pity, she appears to have been a lucky ship in her own way...
Perhaps; but after that long on the anchorage's bottom; she wasn't good for anything else.
@@jimtaylor294 Probably true, sadly. Although it IS amazing how slowly steel degrades in cold water sometimes.
@@AnimeSunglasses True; especially military grade steel... though with ships it's pretty much everything else that is the problem. That's why one of the Bayerns' at Scapa was deemed more useful for testing by the British than the other; because she'd failed to scuttle more than her sistership.
Who the fuck gave that one dislike
Why do horses neigh when ever you said Blucher (neiiigh)? I don’t even live near horses.
SMS Emden plz. ASAP
🤔 If I was the designer, I'd go with 6 single main guns in open mounts lined up towards the front, just ahead of the bridge superstructure, all on the same level, none of them super-firing. Then I'd install a fully enclosed, 6 gun turret just behind all those single turrets, but positioned below the horizontal plane of the forward single turrets, so that the 6 gun turret could never be fired forward without taking out all the guns in front of it. Also each of those 12 total main guns would be of a slightly different caliber, from 10.9" to 12.1". That way each gun would need different ammo. 🤞😁👍
Fit it with high tech electronic sensor and guided rocket and today's warship will look like a joke
im pretty sure if germany had continued the battle of jutland instead of running they would have won a bloody victory
Considering how many ships barely made it back into the harbours and that the ships were running out of ammunition that is doubtful.
@@comsubpac i think they could have but i dont think the fleet would have made it back i think the german vessel's would have all been floating wrecks by the time it was over and the brits sunk or sinking because the british fleet was well losing ships left and right too explosions
German coal was consider smokeless
If you've ever seen a picture of the HSF at full power you'd know that's wishful thinking :p
do a video on coal, STEAM COAL
I wanna see this thing broad side the whole of the magniot line.... That'd be a sight. Build an ocean near it or something idk
Why do horses neigh when ever you said Blucher (neiiigh)? I don’t even live near horses.