11:21 the range estimate from navigation is always spot on for me. What some people call range estimate is the EPA number that shows up on the display if you switch the gui to show the EPA range instead of the percent of battery charge. Of course the EPA range is wrong as it is mandated by the government. Tesla's own range estimate in the Navigator is generally quite good.
3:48 "more attention to safety..." absolutely. I am definitely able to focus more on the traffic around me and the road far ahead with FSD handling the moment-to-moment mechanics of driving and navigation details. I was in San Diego for a week or two last year and made some driving gaffs on the trip because my attention was split between navigation and driving on unfamiliar streets. This year I plan to let FSD handle most of the driving in SD, as well as the road trip from and back to Alabama, so it should make for less stress for me and surrounding vehicles.
@@slowercuber7767 it’s a feature of FSD that I didn’t really appreciate for a while, because a lot of my driving I know the majority of the route, so I forget how consuming it can be to have to actually navigate while you drive. Being able to handoff that entire “responsibility” to the car is massive, and cannot really be overstated.
@@planetpq hello! Yeah the car handles bc incredible for the most part. I drove in the city again last night and it did really well, a couple hiccups caused by map data issues. Otherwise really good
Hi Devin, Another great video I do enjoy watching them. I'm new to Tesla, have had my Model Y for about 2 months now. FSD is very good, but it does sometimes need intervention. Please do take control if it seems sketchy, getting into an accident is not worth it. This is FSD Supervised so everyone please stay alert.
@@tom1788 thanks Tom! Glad you like the videos, and yeah I am definitely always paying attention and ready to takeover. I was actually just saying on my latest drive - FSD + and attentive human is incredible safe, but the important part of that is the attentive human. People need to remember this software still requires supervision.
18:41 roast you in the comments? HA! intervening when FSD is not driving in a manner we think best is how we ask Tesla to improve FSD. I cringe at some of the things that people allow FSD to get by with. I love it when more responsible types like you and some others supervise with an eye to safety and comfort. I intervene when it's accelerating too slowly, and I brake or at least disengage when I think it isn't braking soon enough for safety or maybe just for comfort. Especially in wet or too crowded conditions, and you were in both in this video. Kudos to you. There are even some potholes in the roads around my home which FSD would hit that I attempt to bias FSD it around without disengaging with some pressure on the wheel, and sometimes that works, but usually that leads to a disengagement after which I re-engage as soon as I'm past the flaw in the road. I also disengage or brake for most speed bumps, as FSD seems to be blind or at least uncaring about most I come across.
I'm in SoCalifornia, and FSD has moved over slightly (up to 12") when a motorcycle comes from behind and we're moving. That was true in V12; not sure I've had the opportunity to see that in V13 yet.
For me it’s been 50/50 (V13), depends on how fast the bike is going as well as my vehicles traveling speed. Today for example, my vehicle drifted left into the emergency lane in an effort to clear pathway for approaching motorist on the right and was pretty seamless.
@ I guess I don’t mind that, as long as the emergency lane is clear. I feel like from the time I’ve spent in the states that lane can get quite littered with debris
@@groet508 haha sorry it hasn’t come out yet - to be honest it was so late by the time we filmed it I don’t love how it turned out, but I’ll still post it if people are wanting to see it. Expect to see it in 1-2 days. Here’s a clip from it though! x.com/devinolsenn/status/1874900130756964562?s=46
23:10 in my experience CHILL doesn't stick in the lane as much as I'd like. There are times when I miss the "Minimize Lane Changes" option. Certainly, CHILL changes lanes less than STANDARD and HURRY, but I'd still prefer, sometimes, that it would just stick to the lane it is in.
I'm totally with you that FSD should drive more defensively, including greater follow distance, avoid driving adjacent to another vehicle, minimal lane changes. Chill mode isn't chill enough yet. Someone recently posted videos of a high speed accident near me where FSD stopped in time, but then got rear ended. Other drivers may not react as well as FSD. Follow distance needs to take that into account.
@@bderoes glad to hear others agree with me! Makes me think Tesla will make the appropriate changes. Yes the car can stop in time, but being rear ended sucks lol
Another great video! I have a couple of points. I have 13.2.2.1 and Hardware 4. In one of your earlier videos I commented FSD was driving too far behind on the highway. I realized I tend to drive in standard. Yesterday, I drove in hurry and did experience the following too closely issue. I drive on I75 a lot on I75 in Florida and I have the same unnatural lane position you mentioned. It gets unnervingly close to semis as it passes them. There is also an express lane that has rubber tubes between the express lane and the other lanes and it drives so closely my wife demands I disengage. Speaking of wives, your videos with you and your wife are entertaining and help to differentiate your channel from the zillion other FSD channels. I think you should do more of them and perhaps change your channel name or create an additional channel. You could call it CTC, Canadian Tesla Couple, maybe even sell merchandise. Anyway, keep going with the great content and best of luck with your channel(s).
@@theFakeSleepyJoe thanks for the reply! Your comments long so I want to reply to everything you said, but I’m home later tonight so I’ll do it then. Appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment though
In ontario most of our HOV lanes have specific entrance and exits to stop people from using it as another fast lane, but most poeple just ignore that and weave in and out of it anyways. Have you ever had FSD shut off when using the washer fluid? Twice its happened to me, i assume it blocks the camera long enough.
@@yantzi14 well good to know that it’s not just here where people are assholes about the HOV lane lol. I have seen videos where that happens with FSD turning off, but I’ve personally never had that happen. I wonder why it happens for some people and not others.
17:17 we got a word for this in German: Elefantenrennen. :) Funny enough, it's even forbidden to take over with less than 10 km/h difference of speed or take more than 45 seconds to do so. That's 80 bucks and one point in the driving register (with 8 points there you'll lose the driver license for at least 6 month), if you get caught by police.
13.2.2 still slows right after taking a right onto a street that is a 40 (but most folks speed up to 50) near my home, due to seeing standing water on the right side of the lane that extends out about 1/3rd to 1/2 of the lane. Needs to flow around that (there's always room there), but instead slows suddenly before creeping around, a danger with folks coming around the corner behind me at higher speeds. Not sure why it hesitates to just go around the water so much, ha.
I'm a new Tesla MYLRAWD owner. Love FSD [3 mos free now] but having difficulty with changing from Standard to Chill and vice versa, etc. BTW I live in north Toronto sooo [aka keep up!!!] Can you expand on this in your next video or send me a Manual Link please?
@@davidtanner8771 hey there! Just curious what you mean, how are you trying to change from standard to chill? Are you talking about for the FSD profile or for the way the car behaves when you manually drive? I’m considering doing more in depth videos that go over more of the basics, your comment inspires me more to do that for sure.
@@CanadaFSDlooking forward to it. I have fsd so trying to do what you did, ie, switching from standard to chill. Is this a right scroll wheel action or a voice command? 9:03
Can answer that in TX on v13.2.2 I’ve had FSD scoot over for lane-splitters. It treated the motorcycle almost like a semi, giving it wide berth. Maybe one or two ft. No roast, I drive in Chill mode and will intervene in cases where I am uncomfortable or not yet 100% confident. I’m with ya.
@@originalambival ah thanks for that, interesting to hear how it handles lane splitting. Makes a lot of sense. Appreciate you saying that about the intervention, some people think I’m wrong to have intervened, but at the end of the day I just want to feel comfortable in the car so 🤷♂️
@@CanadaFSD I'd ignore people that would go so far to say that you were "wrong" to intervene. None of us can account for sitting in that drivers seat in real time, not to mention the rain. And like someone above said, the notion of getting rear ended is enough to take pause at least. That said, I agree with @originalambival with chill mode in those road conditions. You were probably seconds away from FSD braking itself (based on other videos I've seen in similar conditions.) But given said conditions, and probably the mental weight of the lane split moment, chill probably would've done what you wanted. I feel like standard tells the car that all is normal. Hurry Up says, normal or not...put a little spice on it! Chill says, be predictable. If you're going to brake, do it a few seconds earlier so I KNOW your'e gonna do it.
@@mydfwdj-weddingevents5162 yeah I do like chill, but currently it’s just a bit too chill on the highway. You almost always just end up going slow behind a semi which for a myriad of reasons isn’t a great situation.
I have had the same issue with coming around a curve at 70mph and FSD not slow down until the last minute as it doesn’t appear to be able to see far enough ahead around the bend. It does brake but so hard the antilock brakes gets involved. Every day same issue unless I have a car in front of me of me slowing because of the stopped traffic ahead further in the bend
It’s not certain to me just how integrated the FSD and Navigation systems are with each other, but I suspect it may not be as much as one would expect. It seems like beyond a simple “take next turn in x distance”, there isn’t much communication between those systems. This is often apparent with regards to traffic conditions as noted in the video. And as discussed many times, it’s the deficient mapping data that really lets FSD down and is one of its biggest weaknesses. Many/most of my FSD disengagements are for things like highway lanes ending and the car left in awkward situations, or trying to make right turns on red when it shouldn’t, or ignoring time-of-day turn restrictions.
My guess is, that they try to decouple navdata as much as possible. When they find out that there's no other approach left than invoking more meta data from the navigation system, they will.
@@kafiluzTheReal My guess is that "creating a map from data" is pretty much a solved problem that someone like me could conceivably slap together (probably worse quality than tesla) while "self-driving" isn't a solved problem. If minimizes map data you are forced to train a really good "driver" without it. While adding map data to early could perhaps mask some problems with the "driver" och hinder the training. Map data isn't going to be available everywhere and a hundred percent of the time so the car needs to be a really good driver without map and traffic data first.
FSD is getting so good. As for my comments that make me sound like a grandma, those notwithstanding, I generally supervise in "STANDARD" mode for most drives as generally speaking, driving slow, even behind other traffic is not always the safest choice, especially if it leads to traffic bunching up or otherwise to large disparities in speed. So yes, even in CHILL it could be safer to go around slower traffic, it is just that I'd like to have more control of that. As I said, FSD is getting very, very good. V12, especially when it was still using the V11 highway stack, would tend to cut back over too soon after passing tractor trailer rigs. V13 always does that well now, but it sometimes, in three lane roads, fails after passing in the leftmost lane to take into account drivers in the rightmost lane cutting into the center lane. I've had two instances of that with V13 where I had to take over, once for comfort and once for safety.
18:26 visualization shows, that FSD was not able to see any car in front of the car ahead of you. Your view off to the side of the center of the vehicle was probably a contributing factor here, why you had more view on the traffic ahead. Otherwise FSD will slow down, if it sees the cars ahead of the car in front of you slowing down, but the car in front not. So it won't rear end the car in front, if it rear ends a stopping car in front - if it has enough view of the traffic ahead.
@@RubenKelevra I had hoped that it would see the traffic as we moved lanes (when I saw it). But it seems like FSD doesn’t see that far ahead right now.
I have driven a Tesla for almost 6 years, the range accuracy when navigating has always been pretty accurate, where people have complained about accuracy is Tesla giving the actual range of the car, which has been way off, seems they have started to do better. Example I had a 2019 X Tesla said had 255 miles range, interstate driving I was lucky to get 160 miles.
WLTP values aren't accurate to most of drivers because it's a synthetic value. But this allows to compare different cars! They should add different ranges by speed. So you know wheter it meets your requirements or not. Most BEV have similar consumption on lower speeds. But on highway speeds, Tesla is much better than most competitors due to design.
visited vancouver from wa noticed a lot of speeding truck drivers. a lot of foreign drivers from india it seems? are they licensed differently in canada?
@@tvtv-s2j a lot of people come here with their international license and the process to convert it to a full license here in Canada is more simple than it should be. We have a lot of people on the roads here with their license that shouldn’t be driving.
I wonder if the big context update we're hearing about will improve those really wonky parking ramp situations. Obviously those have to be better navigated if we're expecting full autonomy, they are definitely tricky even for humans lol. Nothing wrong with your intervention, FSD does typically anticipate things like slow downs pretty well, but in some scenarios, like this one I am glad we still do have a steering wheel and ability to intervene even if it is for our own comfort and preference. Plus when there's like weather factors, I bet in the future, the car will take conditions into account and give more space and anticipate things more defensively... People drive very wrecklessly because driving is the 3rd or 4th priority lolol. They text, do makeup, eat food, check email, play candycrush, then add things like kids! so many distractions. Pair that with subpar driving skills in general, idk how canada is but in the USA just about anyone with a pulse can get a license. No driving accumen
@@narmen1984 I agree with you on everything you’re saying here! As for parkades, I actually watched a video of the Chinese equivalent of FSD and it learns parkades after you show it the route once. So I could see a world where FSD could just learn the routes out of parkades from taking real world drivers doing it manually. Not ideal, but it would work. In v13.3 Tesla AI has said they’re increasing following distance on the highway, so that should help a lot!
@CanadaFSD honestly it would be crazy genius to allow cars to "learn" those super weird places.... A company would allow the end user/owner to drive or instruct the car and take some of that learning curve away. Then, say cars talk to each other so one can teach another... Of course after it's vetted somehow... (by like a certified early adopter) and then bam... Just micro improvements. It can get better exponentially. Until it becomes self aware and learns we're all the weakest link 🤣☠️
Hee, hee, will roast ya for the highway disengagement, I've come across many accidents and slowdowns with zero issues with it slowing down in time. But hey, we each do what we are comfortable with! I agree with it needing to actually heed any road conditions alerts on the route, should ease off a bit before getting to them.
@@tonyvelasco5732 it’s really hard to convey speed on the video, but we had less than 1 second between us and the truck infront. If they’d slammed on the brakes we would have to do the same, and then I’d just be stuck hoping that the semi who was already driving like an idiot, saw me in time and slowed down. I’d just love if FSD drove more defensively.
@@CanadaFSD Hurry mode I only use sparingly when there is very little traffic, as it tends to cut people off, refuse to let folks merge, etc. Also, weirdly doesn't hurry much of time, but instead in fairly open road situations, continues going at or just below the speed limit. When in hurry I would expect a 5 to 7 over on city roads, and 7 to 10 over on the highway, plus getting moving when there was little traffic. It seems to only "hurry" when traffic is heavier, and then jumps between lanes in ways that don't really get you ahead much of the time. On the freeway I've had the best success with Hurry, but I usually drive in Standard.
And boom, now I will roast myself, as I ended up doing the same thing tonight! FSD had it's usual problem with getting over into the long right turn lane on my way home, but worse, was all the way over in the left of 3 lanes with only a few hundred feet to where the divided highway ends at a signal. It nearly ran into the stopped traffic in the two through lanes while finally trying to get over to the dedicated right turn lane, which was, of course, full of cars too. So, I had to disengage to come to a complete stop in the right through lane, and then finally manually make it into the right turn lane and then reengaged. I was in standard mode, and it really should have already been over in the right most lane or the right turn lane way before this. But for some reason, it was flying along in the fast lane right up until it got to the back of the traffic that was backed up from the signal at the end of the divided highway. Lack of awareness, heavy traffic ( though waze showed the heavy traffic), and not understanding that a high volume highway that ends at a signal is usually going to have significant traffic backed up and should be over way sooner. Also, amusingly signaled to try and move over into a non-existent right lane right at a merge point because it wasn't aware that the lanes were merging.
Nope. Not roasting for that for sure. Anytime it’s seeing a ton of brake lights it should be slowing down. I’ve spent my life on motorcycles and I’m always paranoid about being hit from behind.
Amen on idiots in the HOV lane. It's not the fast lane, it's the HOV lane, move over to fast lane and ask those folks to get out of your way with lights or a little close driving, ha!
I can tell that someone told you to stop saying "I hate" all the time, so you started saying "I don't love". It's okay though, I love you, bro. No homo.
@@AdamWood hah honestly nobody said that, at least not that I remember. The only thing I am trying to get better at is not saying “like” as much, but it’s very hard lol
@ it’s a good thing to be aware of to be honest; your moms smart. Hate isn’t a great word, seems overly negative. I’ll Keep that in mind for the future.
Hurry FSD is dangerous because of lane changes. I don't recommend it because it moves in lanes without taking into consideration other drivers getting on your lane.
@@mohamedomar6131 interesting that we have such different experiences. But you’re saying you’re on v12? So that’s non highway e2e? I agree, V12 before they merged the stacks was better than what it is today, and I agree that v12 city driving is awful compared to v13.
@@roger_is_red I literally make FSD videos and have probably used it for 30,000km. I’m aware of how safe it is, but this situation was not a good one. The car should not be accelerating towards a wall of stopped vehicles, a human would not do that. You’re in the overwhelming minority for thinking that’s safe driving behaviour.
@@CanadaFSD look it is supervised for a reason. Sorry I know I was rude!!! just defensive regarding criticism of a work in progress. So please excuse me. Thanks!!
@@roger_is_red I’m one of FSD’ biggest fans. I understand it’s a WIP. I enjoy speaking its praises, but I also want to talk about its shortcomings. Currently its highway behaviour is not ideal, that’s all. Still a massive fan of FSD, I wouldn’t make these videos if I wasn’t.
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@@BillBadMule123 hope you enjoyed it
11:21 the range estimate from navigation is always spot on for me. What some people call range estimate is the EPA number that shows up on the display if you switch the gui to show the EPA range instead of the percent of battery charge. Of course the EPA range is wrong as it is mandated by the government. Tesla's own range estimate in the Navigator is generally quite good.
@@slowercuber7767 ah okay that makes more sense.
I’ve definitely always found the range estimate from the nav incredibly spot on
21:04 love it how FSD let the van merge over.
Hey another post yes this is gonna be another banger
3:48 "more attention to safety..." absolutely. I am definitely able to focus more on the traffic around me and the road far ahead with FSD handling the moment-to-moment mechanics of driving and navigation details. I was in San Diego for a week or two last year and made some driving gaffs on the trip because my attention was split between navigation and driving on unfamiliar streets. This year I plan to let FSD handle most of the driving in SD, as well as the road trip from and back to Alabama, so it should make for less stress for me and surrounding vehicles.
@@slowercuber7767 it’s a feature of FSD that I didn’t really appreciate for a while, because a lot of my driving I know the majority of the route, so I forget how consuming it can be to have to actually navigate while you drive.
Being able to handoff that entire “responsibility” to the car is massive, and cannot really be overstated.
I live in vancouver bc so its great to see how the car drives over here!! Thank you
@@planetpq hello!
Yeah the car handles bc incredible for the most part. I drove in the city again last night and it did really well, a couple hiccups caused by map data issues. Otherwise really good
Hi Devin, Another great video I do enjoy watching them. I'm new to Tesla, have had my Model Y for about 2 months now. FSD is very good, but it does sometimes need intervention. Please do take control if it seems sketchy, getting into an accident is not worth it. This is FSD Supervised so everyone please stay alert.
@@tom1788 thanks Tom!
Glad you like the videos, and yeah I am definitely always paying attention and ready to takeover.
I was actually just saying on my latest drive - FSD + and attentive human is incredible safe, but the important part of that is the attentive human. People need to remember this software still requires supervision.
Interventions like that are also training signals for Tesla. People should use their blinkers more to teach the car "good behaviour" too
@ that’s good to hear, hopefully it can help it improve
18:41 roast you in the comments? HA! intervening when FSD is not driving in a manner we think best is how we ask Tesla to improve FSD. I cringe at some of the things that people allow FSD to get by with. I love it when more responsible types like you and some others supervise with an eye to safety and comfort. I intervene when it's accelerating too slowly, and I brake or at least disengage when I think it isn't braking soon enough for safety or maybe just for comfort. Especially in wet or too crowded conditions, and you were in both in this video. Kudos to you. There are even some potholes in the roads around my home which FSD would hit that I attempt to bias FSD it around without disengaging with some pressure on the wheel, and sometimes that works, but usually that leads to a disengagement after which I re-engage as soon as I'm past the flaw in the road. I also disengage or brake for most speed bumps, as FSD seems to be blind or at least uncaring about most I come across.
Great video!
@@johnchristopher7697 thanks! Not as good as yours but 🤷♂️
@ Dude what are you talking about! Yours are fantastic, and are in a beautiful urban environment!
@ thanks man! Yeah it’s beautiful here in BC
@@CanadaFSD Absolutely! And it comes through in your videos!
I'm in SoCalifornia, and FSD has moved over slightly (up to 12") when a motorcycle comes from behind and we're moving. That was true in V12; not sure I've had the opportunity to see that in V13 yet.
@@bderoes oh interesting, appreciate the answer. I’m glad to hear it doesn’t “freak out” about the motorbike getting close.
For me it’s been 50/50 (V13), depends on how fast the bike is going as well as my vehicles traveling speed.
Today for example, my vehicle drifted left into the emergency lane in an effort to clear pathway for approaching motorist on the right and was pretty seamless.
@ I guess I don’t mind that, as long as the emergency lane is clear. I feel like from the time I’ve spent in the states that lane can get quite littered with debris
Great video Devin. I'm really looking forward to the long advertised babcia video. Make sense for a fsd tester to use Elon time though...
@@groet508 haha sorry it hasn’t come out yet - to be honest it was so late by the time we filmed it I don’t love how it turned out, but I’ll still post it if people are wanting to see it. Expect to see it in 1-2 days.
Here’s a clip from it though!
x.com/devinolsenn/status/1874900130756964562?s=46
@@CanadaFSD Post it! It would be cool to at least hear the discussion
@ for sure, I’ll try and get it up today!
23:10 in my experience CHILL doesn't stick in the lane as much as I'd like. There are times when I miss the "Minimize Lane Changes" option. Certainly, CHILL changes lanes less than STANDARD and HURRY, but I'd still prefer, sometimes, that it would just stick to the lane it is in.
I'm totally with you that FSD should drive more defensively, including greater follow distance, avoid driving adjacent to another vehicle, minimal lane changes. Chill mode isn't chill enough yet.
Someone recently posted videos of a high speed accident near me where FSD stopped in time, but then got rear ended. Other drivers may not react as well as FSD. Follow distance needs to take that into account.
@@bderoes glad to hear others agree with me! Makes me think Tesla will make the appropriate changes.
Yes the car can stop in time, but being rear ended sucks lol
Another great video! I have a couple of points. I have 13.2.2.1 and Hardware 4. In one of your earlier videos I commented FSD was driving too far behind on the highway. I realized I tend to drive in standard. Yesterday, I drove in hurry and did experience the following too closely issue. I drive on I75 a lot on I75 in Florida and I have the same unnatural lane position you mentioned. It gets unnervingly close to semis as it passes them. There is also an express lane that has rubber tubes between the express lane and the other lanes and it drives so closely my wife demands I disengage.
Speaking of wives, your videos with you and your wife are entertaining and help to differentiate your channel from the zillion other FSD channels. I think you should do more of them and perhaps change your channel name or create an additional channel. You could call it CTC, Canadian Tesla Couple, maybe even sell merchandise. Anyway, keep going with the great content and best of luck with your channel(s).
@@theFakeSleepyJoe thanks for the reply! Your comments long so I want to reply to everything you said, but I’m home later tonight so I’ll do it then.
Appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment though
In ontario most of our HOV lanes have specific entrance and exits to stop people from using it as another fast lane, but most poeple just ignore that and weave in and out of it anyways.
Have you ever had FSD shut off when using the washer fluid? Twice its happened to me, i assume it blocks the camera long enough.
@@yantzi14 well good to know that it’s not just here where people are assholes about the HOV lane lol.
I have seen videos where that happens with FSD turning off, but I’ve personally never had that happen. I wonder why it happens for some people and not others.
17:17 we got a word for this in German: Elefantenrennen. :)
Funny enough, it's even forbidden to take over with less than 10 km/h difference of speed or take more than 45 seconds to do so. That's 80 bucks and one point in the driving register (with 8 points there you'll lose the driver license for at least 6 month), if you get caught by police.
@@RubenKelevra you’re inspiring me move to Germany 😂 I wish we had more laws like that here
13.2.2 still slows right after taking a right onto a street that is a 40 (but most folks speed up to 50) near my home, due to seeing standing water on the right side of the lane that extends out about 1/3rd to 1/2 of the lane. Needs to flow around that (there's always room there), but instead slows suddenly before creeping around, a danger with folks coming around the corner behind me at higher speeds. Not sure why it hesitates to just go around the water so much, ha.
@@tonyvelasco5732 yeah it’s strange how it reacts to puddles lately, I’m not sure why it gets so bothered by them.
I'm a new Tesla MYLRAWD owner. Love FSD [3 mos free now] but having difficulty with changing from Standard to Chill and vice versa, etc. BTW I live in north Toronto sooo [aka keep up!!!] Can you expand on this in your next video or send me a Manual Link please?
@@davidtanner8771 hey there!
Just curious what you mean, how are you trying to change from standard to chill? Are you talking about for the FSD profile or for the way the car behaves when you manually drive?
I’m considering doing more in depth videos that go over more of the basics, your comment inspires me more to do that for sure.
If you mean switching profiles during a drive you can do that in settings on the screen or by tilting the right scoll wheel left/right.
@ yeah exactly this. I usually just use the wheel, or the screen if I’m trying to not touch the wheel at all during a drive
@@CanadaFSDlooking forward to it. I have fsd so trying to do what you did, ie, switching from standard to chill. Is this a right scroll wheel action or a voice command? 9:03
@@groet508thanks
Can answer that in TX on v13.2.2 I’ve had FSD scoot over for lane-splitters. It treated the motorcycle almost like a semi, giving it wide berth. Maybe one or two ft.
No roast, I drive in Chill mode and will intervene in cases where I am uncomfortable or not yet 100% confident. I’m with ya.
@@originalambival ah thanks for that, interesting to hear how it handles lane splitting. Makes a lot of sense.
Appreciate you saying that about the intervention, some people think I’m wrong to have intervened, but at the end of the day I just want to feel comfortable in the car so 🤷♂️
@@CanadaFSD I'd ignore people that would go so far to say that you were "wrong" to intervene. None of us can account for sitting in that drivers seat in real time, not to mention the rain. And like someone above said, the notion of getting rear ended is enough to take pause at least.
That said, I agree with @originalambival with chill mode in those road conditions. You were probably seconds away from FSD braking itself (based on other videos I've seen in similar conditions.) But given said conditions, and probably the mental weight of the lane split moment, chill probably would've done what you wanted. I feel like standard tells the car that all is normal. Hurry Up says, normal or not...put a little spice on it! Chill says, be predictable. If you're going to brake, do it a few seconds earlier so I KNOW your'e gonna do it.
@@mydfwdj-weddingevents5162 yeah I do like chill, but currently it’s just a bit too chill on the highway. You almost always just end up going slow behind a semi which for a myriad of reasons isn’t a great situation.
I have had the same issue with coming around a curve at 70mph and FSD not slow down until the last minute as it doesn’t appear to be able to see far enough ahead around the bend. It does brake but so hard the antilock brakes gets involved. Every day same issue unless I have a car in front of me of me slowing because of the stopped traffic ahead further in the bend
It’s not certain to me just how integrated the FSD and Navigation systems are with each other, but I suspect it may not be as much as one would expect. It seems like beyond a simple “take next turn in x distance”, there isn’t much communication between those systems. This is often apparent with regards to traffic conditions as noted in the video. And as discussed many times, it’s the deficient mapping data that really lets FSD down and is one of its biggest weaknesses. Many/most of my FSD disengagements are for things like highway lanes ending and the car left in awkward situations, or trying to make right turns on red when it shouldn’t, or ignoring time-of-day turn restrictions.
My guess is, that they try to decouple navdata as much as possible. When they find out that there's no other approach left than invoking more meta data from the navigation system, they will.
@@kafiluzTheReal My guess is that "creating a map from data" is pretty much a solved problem that someone like me could conceivably slap together (probably worse quality than tesla) while "self-driving" isn't a solved problem. If minimizes map data you are forced to train a really good "driver" without it. While adding map data to early could perhaps mask some problems with the "driver" och hinder the training. Map data isn't going to be available everywhere and a hundred percent of the time so the car needs to be a really good driver without map and traffic data first.
FSD is getting so good. As for my comments that make me sound like a grandma, those notwithstanding, I generally supervise in "STANDARD" mode for most drives as generally speaking, driving slow, even behind other traffic is not always the safest choice, especially if it leads to traffic bunching up or otherwise to large disparities in speed. So yes, even in CHILL it could be safer to go around slower traffic, it is just that I'd like to have more control of that. As I said, FSD is getting very, very good. V12, especially when it was still using the V11 highway stack, would tend to cut back over too soon after passing tractor trailer rigs. V13 always does that well now, but it sometimes, in three lane roads, fails after passing in the leftmost lane to take into account drivers in the rightmost lane cutting into the center lane. I've had two instances of that with V13 where I had to take over, once for comfort and once for safety.
18:26 visualization shows, that FSD was not able to see any car in front of the car ahead of you. Your view off to the side of the center of the vehicle was probably a contributing factor here, why you had more view on the traffic ahead.
Otherwise FSD will slow down, if it sees the cars ahead of the car in front of you slowing down, but the car in front not. So it won't rear end the car in front, if it rear ends a stopping car in front - if it has enough view of the traffic ahead.
@@RubenKelevra I had hoped that it would see the traffic as we moved lanes (when I saw it). But it seems like FSD doesn’t see that far ahead right now.
@@CanadaFSD but you disengaged before you did the lane change manually? 🤔
@@RubenKelevra I disengaged and then switched lanes away from the white truck and went full regen brake to slow down
I have driven a Tesla for almost 6 years, the range accuracy when navigating has always been pretty accurate, where people have complained about accuracy is Tesla giving the actual range of the car, which has been way off, seems they have started to do better. Example I had a 2019 X Tesla said had 255 miles range, interstate driving I was lucky to get 160 miles.
WLTP values aren't accurate to most of drivers because it's a synthetic value. But this allows to compare different cars! They should add different ranges by speed. So you know wheter it meets your requirements or not. Most BEV have similar consumption on lower speeds. But on highway speeds, Tesla is much better than most competitors due to design.
visited vancouver from wa noticed a lot of speeding truck drivers. a lot of foreign drivers from india it seems? are they licensed differently in canada?
@@tvtv-s2j a lot of people come here with their international license and the process to convert it to a full license here in Canada is more simple than it should be.
We have a lot of people on the roads here with their license that shouldn’t be driving.
Californian here! It usually slams on the brakes rather abruptly
@@s4aragon which version of FSD do you have? Other people have said it handles them well
That’s crazy to flash somebody from behind. No way you can do that in L.A California. Looking for trouble
@@vennekolt people do it all the time here. It’s wild
cool
@Cen655 thanks!
FSD read stop sign. Do you know anything else? I think FSD have to read all signs like 'one way' or 'school zone' to be a robotaxi. What do you think?
I wonder if the big context update we're hearing about will improve those really wonky parking ramp situations. Obviously those have to be better navigated if we're expecting full autonomy, they are definitely tricky even for humans lol.
Nothing wrong with your intervention, FSD does typically anticipate things like slow downs pretty well, but in some scenarios, like this one I am glad we still do have a steering wheel and ability to intervene even if it is for our own comfort and preference.
Plus when there's like weather factors, I bet in the future, the car will take conditions into account and give more space and anticipate things more defensively...
People drive very wrecklessly because driving is the 3rd or 4th priority lolol. They text, do makeup, eat food, check email, play candycrush, then add things like kids! so many distractions.
Pair that with subpar driving skills in general, idk how canada is but in the USA just about anyone with a pulse can get a license. No driving accumen
@@narmen1984 I agree with you on everything you’re saying here!
As for parkades, I actually watched a video of the Chinese equivalent of FSD and it learns parkades after you show it the route once.
So I could see a world where FSD could just learn the routes out of parkades from taking real world drivers doing it manually. Not ideal, but it would work.
In v13.3 Tesla AI has said they’re increasing following distance on the highway, so that should help a lot!
@CanadaFSD honestly it would be crazy genius to allow cars to "learn" those super weird places.... A company would allow the end user/owner to drive or instruct the car and take some of that learning curve away. Then, say cars talk to each other so one can teach another... Of course after it's vetted somehow... (by like a certified early adopter) and then bam... Just micro improvements.
It can get better exponentially.
Until it becomes self aware and learns we're all the weakest link 🤣☠️
That's what tesla is doing with the learning I know, I sound redundant. Humans are gonna be redundant. 🤣
Hee, hee, will roast ya for the highway disengagement, I've come across many accidents and slowdowns with zero issues with it slowing down in time. But hey, we each do what we are comfortable with! I agree with it needing to actually heed any road conditions alerts on the route, should ease off a bit before getting to them.
@@tonyvelasco5732 it’s really hard to convey speed on the video, but we had less than 1 second between us and the truck infront. If they’d slammed on the brakes we would have to do the same, and then I’d just be stuck hoping that the semi who was already driving like an idiot, saw me in time and slowed down.
I’d just love if FSD drove more defensively.
@@CanadaFSD Hurry mode I only use sparingly when there is very little traffic, as it tends to cut people off, refuse to let folks merge, etc. Also, weirdly doesn't hurry much of time, but instead in fairly open road situations, continues going at or just below the speed limit. When in hurry I would expect a 5 to 7 over on city roads, and 7 to 10 over on the highway, plus getting moving when there was little traffic.
It seems to only "hurry" when traffic is heavier, and then jumps between lanes in ways that don't really get you ahead much of the time.
On the freeway I've had the best success with Hurry, but I usually drive in Standard.
And boom, now I will roast myself, as I ended up doing the same thing tonight! FSD had it's usual problem with getting over into the long right turn lane on my way home, but worse, was all the way over in the left of 3 lanes with only a few hundred feet to where the divided highway ends at a signal. It nearly ran into the stopped traffic in the two through lanes while finally trying to get over to the dedicated right turn lane, which was, of course, full of cars too. So, I had to disengage to come to a complete stop in the right through lane, and then finally manually make it into the right turn lane and then reengaged.
I was in standard mode, and it really should have already been over in the right most lane or the right turn lane way before this. But for some reason, it was flying along in the fast lane right up until it got to the back of the traffic that was backed up from the signal at the end of the divided highway. Lack of awareness, heavy traffic ( though waze showed the heavy traffic), and not understanding that a high volume highway that ends at a signal is usually going to have significant traffic backed up and should be over way sooner.
Also, amusingly signaled to try and move over into a non-existent right lane right at a merge point because it wasn't aware that the lanes were merging.
Nope. Not roasting for that for sure. Anytime it’s seeing a ton of brake lights it should be slowing down. I’ve spent my life on motorcycles and I’m always paranoid about being hit from behind.
@@taggartlittle570 cheers,
Glad to hear other people feel the same way. Hopefully Tesla can improve this behaviour soon
Amen on idiots in the HOV lane. It's not the fast lane, it's the HOV lane, move over to fast lane and ask those folks to get out of your way with lights or a little close driving, ha!
@@tonyvelasco5732 it bothers me to no end, I hate people who drive like that, lol
I can tell that someone told you to stop saying "I hate" all the time, so you started saying "I don't love". It's okay though, I love you, bro. No homo.
@@AdamWood hah honestly nobody said that, at least not that I remember.
The only thing I am trying to get better at is not saying “like” as much, but it’s very hard lol
@@CanadaFSD Oh, I'm just projecting then 🙃. Someone (my mom) told me to stop saying "I hate" so much, long ago.
@ it’s a good thing to be aware of to be honest; your moms smart.
Hate isn’t a great word, seems overly negative. I’ll
Keep that in mind for the future.
Hurry FSD is dangerous because of lane changes. I don't recommend it because it moves in lanes without taking into consideration other drivers getting on your lane.
@@going2sleep I don’t use it on the highway very often for that reason, on the city streets I don’t mind it though.
I find FSD 12 to be the opposite for me. Good highway behavior with terrible city road behavior
@@mohamedomar6131 interesting that we have such different experiences. But you’re saying you’re on v12? So that’s non highway e2e? I agree, V12 before they merged the stacks was better than what it is today, and I agree that v12 city driving is awful compared to v13.
No roasting here... but it would've been fine (just uncomfortable). I know because I've had the same experience. V13.3.1 addresses this apparently.
@@lancejones4636 I’m sure it would have been okay, there’s just a chance I could have gotten rear ended
major danger a disengagement run for your lives where a gonna die
@@roger_is_red the overwhelming majority of people on X agree that it is an unsafe situation.
@@CanadaFSD I use FSD all the time and its very safe.
@@roger_is_red I literally make FSD videos and have probably used it for 30,000km. I’m aware of how safe it is, but this situation was not a good one. The car should not be accelerating towards a wall of stopped vehicles, a human would not do that. You’re in the overwhelming minority for thinking that’s safe driving behaviour.
@@CanadaFSD look it is supervised for a reason. Sorry I know I was rude!!! just defensive regarding criticism of a work in progress. So please excuse me. Thanks!!
@@roger_is_red I’m one of FSD’ biggest fans. I understand it’s a WIP. I enjoy speaking its praises, but I also want to talk about its shortcomings. Currently its highway behaviour is not ideal, that’s all.
Still a massive fan of FSD, I wouldn’t make these videos if I wasn’t.