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@@LittleHayabusa I imagine it woulve been like the movie. One minute it shows him reviewing the movie and then his mind wonders off and imagines something better lol. The mind is a great escape when you are bored lol. And then itd be like inception going from one review to another. Each more crazy n action filled wearing tight restricting clothes that NOONE in reality could do a fight scene in lmao. Me personally I LOVED the mindless action. Maybe thats the point...she is afterall literally mindless after the lobotomy. N who doesn't love sexy badass women kicking butt. Its a shame how it ended though. I was kinda hoping for a happier ending for baby doll. Atleast shats her face escaped though I guess? STILL dunno what her name is or who she was. She couldve been a crazed serial killer for all we know n baby doll just helped her escspe lol.
If Babydoll isn't the main character, then why is she on the front of the poster. Why is she the centre of attention for every form of media possible while the escapee doesn't get even the SLIGHTEST of notice? "To help the person escape" That would work if the movie was real life. This is a work of fiction. You can show the audience the main character or at least hint to it instead of pulling a Shamaylan and then cutting up the final product to perpetuate the meme that big business is ruining your movies.
@@mounne13 th3birdman actually does an excellent job explaining the twist about the main character while responding to cinema sins video on the subject
@@mounne13 like I said, the extended cut that includes the scene where Babydoll volunteers to have sex with the high roller aka get the lobotomy explains it in a way the DVD release did not. and the simple answer is because she's still the protagonist because the main character idolized her,, even if she isn't THE main character, and the main character fills in things like, she heard them refer when Babydoll first came in as being brought in by her "father" and suddenly in Babydoll's head he would be a priest? Nah. That's from the misrepresented ideals of a mentally ill woman who is trying to piece her world together through the eyes of the heroic efforts of an abuse victim who helped her escape a mental institution. How else would Babydoll know things like where the dress at the end of the movie came from (at the farm house after the bus ride), etc? She wouldn't.
That was the problem with the movie twist, like, the "this was her story all along" wasn't earned in the least, I really doubt the extended cut would fix it though, it's a tall order.
@@Puerco-Potter They should of had a spinning top like in inception to ground it. Anything that was Sweet Pea's fantasy should of had some representation in the background and clues that we are in her mind. Some small flash back about some innocuous, but important to her object would do the trick. Say a doll her and her sister got to share as kids. Have that pop up randomly in places in the background, or representations of it, to show that we are in someone's mind specifically.
It's Batman. She is Batman. She is an insane person in an insane asylum using her mind to fight her fears. Just like Batman. Batman is not a real person in Gotham fighting crime. He is an insane person in an insane asylum turning the inmates, orderlies and doctors around him that terrorize him into figments of his imagination that he can fight on an equal ground inside of his mind. The movie is intentionally vague and superficial so that people that have no idea what goes on in the Seedy underbelly of society and the depths of people's minds and souls won't have a fucking clue what is happening in the movie.
Indeed! I had to look a lot of stuff up but this did help me appreciate the movie much more. I liked the movie a lot after my research and rewatching the movie
Did you watch the Director's cut or the theatrical cut? If it's the latter, I can understand the confusion. The extended cut clears up a lot of things.
I honestly don't think there is much to figure out, just watch it for cool visuals and just understand that it's dream within a dream within a dream...some people might claim its deeper than it seems but I think they might be fooling themselves. :)
Imagine just recently having watched Inception, and your anime obsessed friend tells you "I'm writing a fanfic version of Inception, BUT with anime girls, guns, dragons, samurais and steampunk WW2 and it all takes place inside a girl's head who's locked in a Asylum ala Alice Madness Returns but also in a bordello for some old fashion fetishes! And full of music references!", yeah this movie would be the result.
How the hell is Christopher Nolan friends with Zack? I’m starting to think it’s a pity friendship where he just makes the poor explosion obsessed loon think he’s this deep and complex director to make him feel better about himself
@@mrcritical6751 Or maybe he just has a different opinion? You know a lot of directors are quite big fans of Zack Snyder. James Cameron, Robert Rodriguez, etc. Hell, even comic writers who fans say Zack "disrespects"? They tend to like MOS and BvS. Grant Morrison specifically praised the politics of BvS. You know film is open to interpretation, right? It's possible these people see stuff you don't.
@@northwindkey thing is with Zack I do see what he’s doing, the issue is his subtext is so basic and presented in such a dumb way (example the jolly ranchers scene in BvS being symbolic of the government eating out of Lex’s hand) that I really have to question how anybody thinks what he’s making is deep or complex
@@mrcritical6751 That's the beauty of cinema, sometimes you don't see what others see. Let me tell you what I see in MoS and BvS. I see Plato's The Republic. I see a story of a "just man" who is put up against an authoritarian society that rejects him because they cannot possibly believe he is good. And so his death is the only thing that can inspire them. I see modern American politics. I see a selfless immigrant going up against the rich white elite and the fear-mongering media. And I see a message saying that we can un-do our wrongs, that we can be redeemed. You don't have to see that, you don't even have to like the way it's executed. I defend BvS on paper but I certainly don't think it's perfect. My point here is that it's disingenuous to cross into a realm of personal insults and attempts at objectivity when film is by definition, subjective.
Its too bad because all the different fantasy sequences would have been perfect to flesh out some of the characters- just have each one be like a different action movie with the girl stealing the item being the main character, with some good lines and interactions to flesh them out a bit. Add some stylistic and set design changes to tie the layers of the fantasy together better- IE hint at what inspired each fantasy in the main character's mind- and it could have been way better.
This movie feels like a struggling writer that has so many cool ideas shelved, with some of those ideas being actually good, who decides to mix all ideas into one but is not sure how to buildup to ANY of the cool stuff and just does whatever possible to cut straight to the action
@@ninjahombrepalito1721 also i have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe you should use that part of your brain a little more to make it more clear, smartass.
@@ninjahombrepalito1721 By giving myself to the action and trying to enjoy the moment I fell asleep when watching and as a result I didn't have any memory of that last fight and didn't even notice before watching this video years later. So maybe it is actually boring and forgettable. I think that's because the movie tries to both have a deep-reaching thematic plot and be filled with meaningless but cool action at the same time which doesn't really work, especially when the "plot" part is made so badly
“Hello, I’m the Nostalgia Critic...” Alright, time for another video. “...I remember it- what the hell did I just watch...?” Well, he cut straight to the chase fairly quickly.
A girl tries to stop her sister getting groped and goes to a mental hospital. She pretends to be somewhere else to deal with it and sacrifices herself to save a girl. That's it.
I mean... yes, but... also Yeah, basically. There's a lot more than that in there, but Snyder just really did fail to make it relevant or noteworthy. The idea that, "If you were distracted by the T&A, you were the 'clients'," was an interesting twist, but really wasn't presented well. I do believe the Director's Cut really does help the film, but it still doesn't make the higher order concepts shine at all.
I actually liked this movie. The story is... ok, in my mind. It could clearly be shown better, but I still like the style and the scenes. They do look like some wild imagination, they do work. This movie could be a lot better, but I don't think it's bad as it is.
I never really get the movie... I like the visuals, the action scene is cool, but I never really get the story. What was I supposed to get from it? I always consider this movie in the category of "beautiful to look at but no story" category
The characters are trying to escape an oppressive situation and each part of their plan is imagined by the main character as a genre action sequence. It's simple, but there are deep implications. I would say this is the deepest of Snyder's filmography.
@@SennaHawx True. If he has good screenwriters working for him, it should come out fine. BvS is a poorly written mess of a film, but I could see it working of they had better writers.
I was a teenager when I first saw this movie, just about to graduate high school. I never thought too deeply about this film. But me and my friends sure liked it.
The music does sound really good. As someone who has a family member who was a music editor/consultant etc I always love it when the critic reviews the music of movie. It's particularly awesome how in this one in talks about where songs and music fit by changing the songs out for others. I agree with what he said
Snyder’s style has always been great. He knows how to compose a shot, there’s tons of great imagery, action, music and he’s one of the few directors today that gives his movie an opening credit that hooks you in. The problem with him however is that while he has style, there’s no substance. His characters are choppy and always have the same problem: pain. Snyder loves pain and his movies always go down the same path: life sucks. Out of all the movies I’ve seen from him, has there ever been a victory? There always has to be a loss, and it wouldn’t be so bad if maybe the story was great. That’s another thing, Snyder knows how to bring you in, but not keep you. His movies sometimes go on and on, and by the middle part, not much happens. And can he try not to act like an “artiste”? Just by his trailers Snyder wants you to think his movie will be deep, but the dilemma and especially the resolution don’t seem to reflect that. At least Michael Bay knows he’s action schlock. You’re not Kubrick or Scorsese, zack. Stop it.
@@BWMagus The problem is that all the Actors Guild strikes have made the directors and studios nervous about hiring writers. That is my theory anyway. As the saying goes, if you can't rely on others getting things done, do it yourself.
Spot on. Zack's work appears mostly one dimensional and usually consists of just mashing a big red button labeled "FEELS BAD MAN". Visually it's stunning, but without decent writing or reasoning to back it up you have nothing to keep you interested.
I think you described the issue damn near perfectly. I think though to your point has there every been a victory would depend on who that question refers to. I'd argue to the 300, their fighting united Greece and they died in battle. A win to them
Exactly and if anything the proper artist should do what he/she is most comfortable with, don't believe me imagine if Tim Burton decided to write dialogue and direct his movies. Everyone knows he's a great artist but not a great communicator: the same way Shamalayn isn't a great storyteller but still a good director. Do what you're trained for not what you think you can do.
And I think Snyder is one of the better directors today. He at least has technical aspects figured out. He is a good craftsman. With a good screenwriter, he could be great. He just doesn't have range or competence to really realise his ideas. It is surprisingly difficult, and very few directors could do wide range of gendres well.
I always thought that the movie was really about Sweet Pea. Babydoll is the one we see more because Sweet pea made her the hero because she did help her escape. I got that from the way the movie started with the curtains opening on a stage and Babydoll sitting with her back to the audience if you edit to the mental hospital when it would look like she was looking at Sweet pea. Also with the first labotomy it goes from Babydoll to Sweet pea wearing a wig like it was really Sweet pea that fantasies everything that happened. Also the line "this was never my story." I am probably seriously reaching though.
@@rolandbaldwin That always made sense to me because it always seemed like Sweet Pea was "in charge" and her delusional fantasies were her way of dealing with the everything that happened to herself, sister and friends. Babydoll and Sweet Pea are both in that place as a result of their sisters although for different reasons. We never learn the backstory of Sweet Pea and Rocket( I think that was her sister). Babydoll wanted to help Sweet Pea because she had given everything up to help and protect her sister and thought she deserved to free over herself because of what happened to her own sister and her actions resulting in the deaths of the others. It's a movie you have to watch a few times because the first time it's like "what was that?" I think the bus driver was added as the one leading them because he ultimately let her get her total freedom. It's also Sweet Pea doing the narrations at the beginning and end. The bus driver is the same one who guided their journey but it is just a fantasy. The bus driver is real but the audience sees the manifestation in Sweet Peas mind of a person who is important to her. Possibly her father. I think that's the narrations about angels who show up and can take any form. Again I could be reaching, but it's interesting if you think about it and watch it with that in mind.
@@mnicolemortensen7 I think Critic is a bit cynical about Zack Snyder to actually sit back and analyse the film properly but it took me ages to figure it out. His view of Snyder clouded his ability to read what was happening. That's what I think anyhow. Also if you look up Joseph Campbell's 'The Heroes Journey' theory then that is pretty much exactly what happens to Babydoll and the gang. They tick off all the steps of The Heroes Journey.
@@rolandbaldwin I think so too. I think Zack Snyder wanted to make something serious, but because of his reputation there were certain expectations. It's almost like how the Critic feels about the Dr. Suess movies, except this movie didn't have source material you could study. If his name wasn't attached to it would have it been considered differently? My answer is probably so. It's a great movie, but if you are expecting a comic book hero movie this isn't it. If I could describe this movie in reference to other movies the best I can do is a mix of Girl Interrupted, Inception, In the Mouth of Madness. The movie was also marketed horribly. The animated shorts that came out were very well done but gave us a lot of backstory to things that weren't important. They were cool and comic/fantasy based but it gave false ideas of what to expect. The fantasy is essential to the story because it is the characters way of escaping trauma, but it's not the focus. It's boring because the characters know it's not really real. In their mind escaping the torment they under also seems like the greatest fantasy. Why we don't see any of them dance and they escape to the fantasy world is because dance =rape and they "escape" when it's happening to a "reality" where the power dynamic is shifted and they are in control. The rape is happening in reality the same time the fantasy is happening. That's why the girls are sexualized but also fighting. They are victims but at the same time want to fight back but are in a place and situation where they can't.
@@rolandbaldwin Critic is a moron that believes the dance scenes "happen in the real world", when there's no real-world, just different levels of delusions, and the dance/whorehouse level is one step removed from the institution. He doesn't pay attention to the movie, he just watches is and doesn't bother to pause it when he is writing jokes.
@@johnnynguyen9240 You missing the point. It is like with Star Wars Prequels. People loving Snyder movies don't see shit in what they like, but see thin layer of good ideas. As such because they lack taste and are stupid, they assume that others are even more stupid and simply didn't understand those wasted, poorly delivered concepts. It is why they are convinced then if movie actually explain some random nitpick, people would finally see what they see (except people do, when they don't). And because no one care about rehashes of some old bombs, they convince themselves that people not giving a shit, mean that general audience finally accept those movies, but is ashamed to admit the truth as they do. It is what people usually refer as Evangelion syndrome.
Aside from his review, this movie is so cool to look at. There are action sequences that I rewind 2 or 3 times just to see them again. Same thing with 300...
After watching this film I tried to think of a good way to summarize it and this was my conclusion: "It's a stupid movie with a smart movie trying to get out."
@@lilithium3940 Doesn't seem like the smartest idea. I know my customers always enjoy a good bitch-smacking after paying money to my employers... And with that thought, I think the Children of the Corn Nostalgiaween episode's Haunted House has competition.
@@Kageribaby Yeah I very much don't agree with how they chose to advertise this movie. All the trailers emphasized the scantily clad women fighting and dancing. If this movie was purposefully shown to the type of audience that would enjoy it, the movie might be more popular today
@@lilithium3940 I didn't watch the trailer, went in blind because a friend wanted to see it. I think I gave the movie 2.5/10, mainly because of the soundtrack, which I later bought. I guess it deserved a 4 because of visuals, some of the effects were pretty good... but I'd just gotten sucker-punched, so I wasn't in the best of moods in regards to this movie. I seriously felt cheated because I empathized with the main character who'd just lost her family and, despite not knowing anything about her, I wanted her to have some kind of happiness. The girl who made it *spoilers* is the worst of them all. She tears down the girls dreams of being free, she bosses people around all the time and is aggressive towards the main character who is just trying to survive and help others. It not just that they destroyed the one you'd been following the entire movie, they destroyed the one with the most/best personality (bland though it may be) and allowed the one who was against everything from the start to gain the most benefit. Had it been her sister who escaped and lived for her and Baby, I think I'd have been more forgiving...
Baby doll is in Sweet Pea imagination. It's seen the moment in the beginning where Baby doll is going to ge lobotomized and Sweet pea comes in the scene in the brothel as Baby doll. She tries to escape her pain for losing her sister, and that very place. Baby doll represents Sweet pea's body, while Sweet pea represents her own mind. When Baby doll gets lobotomized because she decided to let go, her body is the only thing left in the mental institute while she's not there anymore, as the director of the mental institute says she is in paradise, in the last scene Sweet pea just gets in the bus and leaves, with the sign on the road which says paradise diner. Essentially the movie is about Sweet pea finding the strength to let the death of her sister go and let her own self go mentally accepting the lobotomy.
This movie seems to embody what I've said about Snyder for years: he's better at talking _about_ his stories than he is in actually _telling_ his stories.
So Snyder is secretly a retarded clone of Frank Miller that somehow inherited the Watchowskies 'mastery' of character driven narrative, story cohesion and genuine audience engaging plot. Is that within the ballpark? Lol
@Al3xh413 not just 300, heard that same energy was on the sets of his DC projects. I feel like Superman's beefcakey-ness was never an emphasis of the character... enter Zack Snyder. Henry: "Why am I resurrected shirtless? I mean, why did only my shirt and jacket tear off, but my pants are unspoiled?..." Zack: "Forget that, Henry. Remember when we shot your wet, hairy, man-bear form in Man of Steel? And when you cooked eggs shirtless for some reason in BvS? We need to top both of that!"
OMG I KNOW RIGHT!!!!!! finally someone who's heard of it! It's REALLY a shame the story and characters were so flat because they movie, TO THIS DAY, has some of THE most incredible and JAW-DROPPING computer animation I've ever seen!!! Why couldn't they have used it to tell a better story is my issue! It's such a massive, massive shame!!!!! But I'm so glad to meet someone who has heard of it and loves the animation!!!!
@@princessthyemis yeah but as someone who read the books the movie falls so flat on its ass it's actually hard to watch it again. Like don't get me wrong the animation is amazing but that still doesn't excuse the fact that they tried to shove what was four books worth into one movie and they didn't even get that right.
@@darkhelliadarkfire6109 the main problem of every single modern fantasy movie. (specially the young adult ones) "oh the first part in percy jackson, eragon, dark tower, dark materials and artemis fowl are so boring at developing world building. we don't want our audience to learn shit and be part of a new world we want them to see cool shit. So insted of adapting one book per movie like peter jackson did with lord of the rings, why can we just adapt like 5 or 6 books per movie, no one will ever care" ps: i almost wrote "peter jackson" insted of "percy jackson" XD
@@darkhelliadarkfire6109 in my opinion honestly, apart from the story which is basically the first 5 books done in one movies, everything else is pretty faithful or upgraded. Small details like the Legends, the visualization of the flecks, ideal voice acting, ideal musical score, and especially the designs of the helmets and the battle sequences. It’s a pretty house built on sand so to speak. The parts of the movie that fail are the parts where they focus on characters that weren’t in the books such as Allomere and the Echidna. Most of the characters were pretty faithful, better than other fantasy adaptations. The main problem is that the story is so weak compared to everything else. You can feel the condensing.
Did you miss the part when Sweet pea is dressed as babydoll sitting on a bed and saying? it's in the first few minutes. Sweet pea gets lobotomized at the start of the movie, everything in the "real world" and fantasy world is just a product of that.
@@Puerco-Potter that's a pretty dumb statement. There's no need for that, it's not a mystery movie, there's no hidden truth to discover, sweet pea may imagine the background of a new chick or it may be her own backstory. You are so used to handholding that you expect to be explained what is happening and dismiss open interpretation art as mistakes. You are a pleb that thinks movies are all about narrative.
I thought it was gonna be a blackscreen and he would say something like: "Wow! Like...i couldn't think of a idea for character development like that...Could you??.. I couldn't!"
A little over half a century ago, it probably would have been. He'll, even in modern times, psychiatric professionals frequently put their patients through all manner of abuse. And not just females. Back in my parents and grandparents era, there were actual cases of women being drugged up and sold for sex. NEVER trust a shrink.
@@areyousureyouenteredyourna85 I'd go even further and say they used to experiment on psychiatric patients with brain surgery and lobotomy (if I am to believe what happens in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest ).
I really enjoy this movie. It’s a silly movie that has good scenes. I don’t really pay attention to the characters because of what you were saying. There was no personality at all, it’s just a guilty fun movie hahah.
Check out Alice the Madness Returns or welcome to Marwen for the general idea done with a better take on using the setting and characters to explore the main character, and the main idea in general.
I think I've figured it out. The last scene, with the buss, is the only "real" event in the movie. Everything shown before that takes place in "Sweet Peas" head, while she's riding the buss.
The only thing real about the bus is Sweet Pea "escaping" into her mind right before her lobotomy. The whole thing is Sweet Pea's from start to finish. Baby Doll was never real.
Zack Snyder: This movie is a commentary on the sexism of geek culture. Also Zack Snyder: Who doesn't want to see beautiful women running down the trenches of World War 1 wreaking havoc?
zack snyder: no one wants to take silly superhero costumes seriously also zack snyder: isn't batman in a robocop suit crying for her mom cool? I'M COOL!
@@northwindkey You're giving this movie and Zack Snyder way too much credit, Snyder has never been great at social commentary or anything that's deeper than simple action
@@awaister "Good at" and "intended to be" are two different things. I never said Sucker Punch executed this well. I said that was the intent. Sucker Punch is too cut down of a movie for me to really judge it anyways. I'll wait for the Director's Cut. Otherwise I'll declare it terrible only to find a better Director's Cut years later that makes me fall in love with it (Kingdom of Heaven).
@@northwindkey seriously theres a directors cut for this? Yeah screw the new wonder woman movie or the new pixar movie that Will come literally on x-mast day, we have to wait for the "extendet and better" cut of a movie no ones talks anymore and move on with their lives 9 years ago because who wants to live in the present when living on the past Is always the answer. COFepisode9COF
Surprised he doesn’t mention in the Snydercut that we actually get a scene with the highroller. That scene feels very important to me and wraps things up a little better.
it feels like that, plus majority of western fans always thinks that shounen is about cool visual with somewhat okay story and character. Also shounen is a genre meant for 13 years old boys.
@@zetamangads I bet you’ve only watch Pokémon to be talking trash 😂😂 because Attack on Titan is definitely a kids show (also stop generalizing, it makes you look dumb)
I thought this was the point of the movie? Commentary on sexism, as in female characters without personality just looking sexy. No one cares what they're feeling.
And yet somehow Doug tries to get something out of it and I'm like "What is he even talking about with the dream stuff and Rick & Morty comparison now, wtf?" First, no, those can't be compared. Second, imagining a dance would be like fighting isn't that smart. Even Kickass 2 did it a billion times better.
Also Rocket: Robot on Wheels. I don't see too many people talk about that one. You have to get 100% completion to get the good ending though which is the main flaw of the game but there are some good ideas and mechanics in there.
@@pavma7 Black rock shooter actually had connection between what happens in otherworld and reality that tells you more about every character in reality
Here's a Christmas movie suggestion that I hope u see. "Deck the Halls" Starring Danny DeVito and Matthew Broderick. Broderick even said this film was the lowest point of his career. It's begging for a review
Since Sweetpea(Abby Cornish) is the one narrating, I feel it's _her_ story. The entire movie is basically her fantasy since she's going crazy and just wants to leave. It also explains as to why she immediately gets the girls to go along with her and no one else in the brothel. There are little hints in the dialogue that also support that Jamie Chung, Jeni Malone, and Hudgens are figments of her memory when Malone's character says that three inmates tried to escape and died.....when it was Chung, Malone, and Hudgens' characters that tried to escape....and died. Babydoll is probably someone that Sweetpea looked up to since Sweetpea is dressed like Babydoll during the brother scene. There is also the Emily Browning song about suicide that plays at a certain point in the picture that gives us a hint of how Sweetpea is feeling (i.e. she's suicidal). At the end, she says: "Now, fight!" While we see Babydoll, it's actually Sweetpea fighting through the lobotomy. Since the psychiatrist is now the head, maybe that recovery process is sped up. The film overall isn't brilliant. It still plays like a film that needed a few rewrites to get solidified, but it manages to have some elements that make it a film that is a bit more deep than given credit for. It mixes David Lynch with action and some elements that would be seen in Inception.
Not bad points, but the critic is still correct that we learn nothing about anyone. It actually proves how flat they are -- that it could be anyone of their stories, because they're all so interchangeable. While "critiquing misogyny" might've been Snyders original intent, there's nothing more misogynistic than sexing up every woman and making nothing more to them than having trauma. It gets old that women characters in general need to be sexually abused or have a love interest as their motivation in life/ story. If this says anything about how non notable this movie is: I watched it and actually was babydoll for Halloween that year, yet didn't remember much about it except fighting and costumes. I'm someone that remembers the basic stories of 99% of what I've watched.
@@robinhay43 it says more about you than about the movie. And you are starting from a bad position if you want every movie to be character driven and focused on narrative. The movie isn't. The girls are not real, they are dead.
Thank you for your reply. However, I have to disagree with something you mentioned: Critic isn't 'correct.' He's merely giving his own opinion, as we all are. As aforementioned in my earlier post, the girls (not Babydoll) are interchangeable since they are a figment of Sweetpea's imagination. They're part of her fantasy since that's the only thing she has going on to pass the time while she tries to escape; Babydoll is in foremost in the movie because that's the girl that made the most impact on her. There's nothing wrong sexing up women as long as they're given strong characters to balance that out. I'm sure no woman (or man) complained of misandry with Jason Mamoa as Aquaman or Chris Hemsworth as Thor. Jena Malone, in an interview, actually thought the women were 'kick ass' no matter how they were dressed; the male interviewer tried to continually push that the film was written from a 12-year-old's pov. (As someone who was a 12-year-old kid at one point, I found that highly inaccurate). Again, I actually don't think that Zack Snyder intended for the film to be as deep as some of us(giving it a second look) are seeing it.
I remember one that came on a few years ago on freeform and it's never came on before or since, but it was the young santa, but with like porcelain dolls that he looked out of place. It was so bizzare.
@@astrowolvez I never saw that special. I’ve seen the Rudolph special on TV though, and when that happened I always wished the 2D special was on instead.
I couldn't believe it when I saw the comments being from 14 hours ago I had assumed it was one of the ones I'd watched years ago and forgotten about (I'm a huge fan of Suckerpunch so I didn't mind rewatching Lol)
So he thinks Isaac is playing a doctor? He is identified in the movie as an orderly... You can always tell when a person watched a movie without paying attention to the movie - making any criticism moot as it may or may not have anything to do with the actual movie - often what the commenter was thinking about instead of watching the movie
oh god somehow I REALLY WANT him to say something about R!TGO.... but.... I also REALLY DON'T want him to. Repo! is the trashy masterpiece and we love the hell of it and it's not really for everyone.. so seeing NC's take on it would be curious but I have grave doubts he'd like the movie enough
The fact that the timid character died first and the 'tough' one escaped made me think it was a coming of age story. The loss of the mother reveals that the father is greedy and violent, which means the mother must have been the protector. The main character sees the danger her father represents and wants to stop him... But she's still a child and lashing out at her father just hurts her sister. Kids leaving shitty homes are often faced with the difficult decision of when to leave. They are trying to figure out their own life and yet they fear leaving younger siblings behind. I thought of the lobotomy as that threshold between childhood and maturity. Each dream within the dream involves our bland lead character making no impact on her own life even though she imagines that she's the most important one. She loses her timid and fearful part, then one part sacrifices itself and I have no idea what part that was supposed to be. I would have had that be regret.The longing to restart your life because you do not feel ready to face the world and focus on the opportunities you did not have, the time you wasted, and the pain you've been through. Even the list of items could be those things we believe we need in order to enter the adult world- things we do not have and are tricky to get but that come easy to others. I bet everyone has had experiences where they were afraid that their ownership of something they worked hard to get and/or their self worth could be yanked away. (Imposter syndrome?) The fact that the woman who escaped has more of an adult look (taller, not wearing an anime schoolgirl outfit, and arguing with the regret personality to shut up and move on). So the main character is childhood. Bad things can happen to her, she make her own ways to escape reality, she often looks fearful but imagines herself as a badass. That's why she tells the 'adult' character that it's not her story. It's not about what we go through as children, it's about who we decide to become. Maybe it was a concept that would have actually been better in an anime, where you can draw the same character with different feelings. A timid character is thin and small and may dress in bigger clothes to hide the curves that come as girls start becoming women. Another could be judgemental and either copy or mock others around her- the part of life where we try to figure out who we are while being bombarded with everyone else who may also be searching or already figured out who they are. Tropes and cliches and so many personalities all around. Then you still have the regret personality that would constantly be missing something like a pen or an umbrella or lunch; and never seem to have the right thing to wear. Then childhood and adulthood. All the same face but still different. ...Anyway, that is what I thought the movie was going for even if it was not representing it very well. Then the lobotomy happened. Is this a curveball and all that personal growth was for nothing? A metaphor about waiting too long to find out who you are before the opportunity is taken from you? Just a crappy ending?? What?!
That may be the most accurate explanation ever. Maybe the lobotomy is basically life and death. As it happens she's looking back on all the choices she's made through a filter. Life is what we make of it. Death is mainly reality. Even when you think you're the main character, you're not. And don't always get a happy ending, but hope for the best with what you've done with your life. Baby Doll may have failed to escape but at least saved someone. A bitter sweet ending but I guess that was the point
@@renji90998 Thank you, that is kind of you to say. I think your analysis makes a lot of sense too. Death will happen, we can't stop it. So, instead of the usual ending where Baby Doll might have used what she imagined to somehow escape... she dies. If we can't stop death, and life is something other people can take from us easily and without remorse, our goal is to make our lives mean something. Making the world better somehow for other people. Plus, Snyder has stated he thinks of his movies as art...And when you create art you may want it to mean several different things so there can be discussion and because that's the beauty of art.
Really didn't wanna remember this film, but the part on how Sucker Punch got criticised for trying to comment on sexism by sexualising women reminds me of freaking Cuties tries to comment on child sexualization by sexualising children and getting shortlisted for an Oscar😶
Sometimes you got to hit people over the head for them to get something. Unfortunately hitting people over the head hurts and while some people might like that type of pain others tend to lash out at the thing or person that hit them. I see it all the time to varying degrees. I take the pain as a blessing that I can still feel something and am not dead inside.
My take on this topic: It's the difference between being sexualized and objectified in the asylum/club and the empowerment of actually getting to have autonomy in the fight sequences. To paraphrase Jenna Malone, "when I imagine the superhero version of myself I'm not in sweatpants." And assuming women are only "sexy" for men is also sexist. (Not saying that's how OP feels, just regarding the common takeaway they reference.) There's a pretty big lack of male gaze shots in this movie. Using Transformers as an example: There is a massive difference between any shot of Megan Fox in Transformers to any shot of any single one of these girls. Megan IS objectified by the movie. Specifically by her wardrobe and the camera.. These girls are imagining their fantasy hero versions of themselves the way they want and the camera follows them the same as it would follow Shia Lebouf. The club is to show us exactly how the men see them and the true nature of what is being done to these girls without resorting to the exploitation of women imprisoned in an asylum being repeatedly SAed. The fight sequences are the disassociations of the victims instead of the horrific actions being done to them by the staff.
"Just because you're using great songs, doesn't mean you're using them in a great way." Someone should have told George Lucas that before he made "Strange Magic."
I saw this film when it first came out. I kind of liked it. Then I wondered why I liked it. Then I realized it makes no sense and is a mess. Now Im of the opinion this film fvckin blows.
Fun fact the "Lennox House" is based on a actually asylum in Brattleboro Vermont. They renamed it for dramatic effect in the movie. It was actually called "Brattleboro Asylum for The Mentally Insane" but is now named "Brattleboro Retreat" it is also hella haunted.
He has yet to one up himself from Grandma got run over by a reindeer review IMO. Everything else has been great, but that one still is the best he’s done.
I love this movie. I like how as the girls become more confident and start trusting one another they become more badass in the action fantasy world. You can see a bit of who they are by looking at their behavior, and roles within the action scenes.
Admit it... those are the only scenes worth a shit. The whole thing couldve been those (kinda like a remake of Heavy Metal) and it would have been at least mildly entertaining.
The opening had me hooked & I wanted to see where it would go. And then when they showed her at the mental institution about to lobotomized, I was intrigued. The switch the brothel caught me off-guard because I thought maybe the mental institution was a fake out somehow. Then the fight scenes started & my spouse & I just started drinking to get through it . . . So yeah. Interesting premise but way too complicated & convulted to actually work for me
whole mental institution is in her head right before the lobotomy happens. it's her fear and struggle to accept the needle, which in the brother becomes a metaphor for rape
I remember movie bob of all people was able to break down all the symbolism within symbolism When he was done i made the comment "wow ... now i know why it was shit"
Thanks for watching this movie and reviewing it. You're not quite getting it. The whole movie is not perceived from Babydoll's point of view. The movie is told linearly through the minds of two different characters. The switch first happens when Babydoll and Sweetpea meet eyes. Sweetpea is acting out what is to be Babydoll's fate on the stage. Then you switch to Sweatpea's hypnotic view of the asylum. Sweetpea's hypnosis is fading and the dance hall is a thin veil of what's really going on. Whenever you see the dance hall, that's Sweetpea's pov. When Babydoll is eventually hypnotized she sees the asylum as a battlefield. Dancing and battle is a replacement for the obvious rape and abuse that's happening in the asylum and the therapist gives the girls a place in their minds to escape or combat mentally their abuse. You are seeing one linear storyline being told in three different perceptions. Reality (the cold dark dank asylum, Sweetpea's vision (the thinly disguised dancehall brothel which is just slightly better than what's really happening as Sweetpea is on the verge of losing faith), and Babydoll's pov which is the battle. Hey, I know this movie is not for everyone. But when you understand the linear story being told from three different perspectives, the movie becomes much more powerful. It's ambitious and maybe too hard of a concept to present-day audiences who might only see cute girls in anime costumes fighting dragons. This is a movie about women being brutally abused, but in an act of grace, the asylums therapist doctor tries to give them a place to hide in their own minds when the abuses occur. While the other girls have settled on a dance hall fantasy that barely protects them, the therapist gives Babydoll a place where she can feel powerful and have the will to fight back. Each girl sees their world through their own filter. And the movie's twist is indeed that it was never really a babydolls story, it was Sweetpea's story. Babydoll gives Sweetpea the push to escape. And ultimately Babydoll's mission was to bring the whole fucking place down. Even if the price was her life.
Never seen the movie but it looks like they could have just cut out everything except the combat and they would have had like 40 minutes of cool content.
It was that content they used to sell the film of as something awesome in the trailers, then you watched it and where so confused of what you just seen you were unsure it you just missed the real bigger picture. In the end its just such a comically bad attempt at a point that fails on so many levels it managed to have simply no working point at all.
but with no character development, stakes, or motivation. ofc the fights are badass and it's fun to watch out of context but it loses value when you look too deep. the fight scene with the samurai I watched on youtube with a friend and really really liked even though I thought it was a bit ridiculous that moment was fun to watch. but when you put it into the context the movie is trying to put it in it makes no sense and becomes bland, even more so when there are six different fight scenes just like that.
Kind of like the RWBY trailers the fight scenes are good as cool spectacles, but for a movie you need more connecting tissue and having the fight scenes be dream sequences pulled all the excitement out of them in the wider context of the movie.
While watching this movie, I couldn't help but feel like there was no reason to be worried about the outcome of any scenario. Since it all amounted to an imaginary dance in the mind of a psychiatric patient. Idk something about that just made it impossible for the movie to have any real stakes or hold my interest for longer than a minute. Always got the feeling the movie was trying to allude to some deeper meaning but the execution was just terrible imo. Some people might love it but it's definitely not my cup of tea.
Honestly, I think that both substance and style are needed for a film. The style is what draws the crowds in and what makes certain scenes cool while the substance is what’s underneath that makes the movie more interesting. On a side note: Can you do Birds of Prey next?
So, what did everyone think of Sucker Punch? Good? Bad? Meh?
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love the content bro
hello doug
I wondered if you would ever get to this movie, you're right about it.
Hey Doug Walker, can you please review Home Alone 4 and Home Alone Holiday Heist (Home Alone 5) during December this year?
Well i didn't expect a review of Sucker punch thats for sure
neither did i
what did you expect, the wall pt 2?
@@dalewattson No but definitely not Sucker punch lol
@@dalewattson god no my cringe face is still recovering from that episode
Would you say you got...
Fill it in yourself.
Fun fact: that cover of Sweet Dreams was sung by Emily Browning herself, as was the cover of Asleep by The Smiths.
@@BWMagus meh not a high bar
Fans already knew this, she covers other songs as well
I actually like this cover as well as Where Is My Mind. So haunting. 👍
@@MysticMayne I know. I love her cover of Asleep by The Smiths.
These kind of covers are so overused cliché, I hate them. It's the musical "As you know" for me.
This movie feels like an anime adaptation with no source material.
Oh hi Goblin Slayer.
It’s like watching the live action movie of an anime without watching the anime/manga
@@ferchsakura So 2007 TMNT when never seeing 2003 4kids TMNT.
No, I've seen better than this with your premise. The sad part is it still does feel like something got lost in transition, then translation.
Pretty much. Just throw in cool effects without any explanation whatsoever.
To quote MST3K: "I've never known more about what isn't going on in a movie."
🤣🤣🤣
those guys are funny
They should definitely do a Rifftrax on this movie. 😜
Another apropos MST3K line: "It's the T&A Team!"
@@masterkalel06 do you want Mike to have a mental breakdown?
I'll bet this was Devil Boner and Hyper Fangirl's favorite movie.
What that review would’ve been like without the pandemic!!
Idk, Hyper Fangirl & Devil Boner have interest in more than just blowing stuff up & sexy outfits. They both love Ever After.
@@LittleHayabusa I imagine it woulve been like the movie. One minute it shows him reviewing the movie and then his mind wonders off and imagines something better lol.
The mind is a great escape when you are bored lol.
And then itd be like inception going from one review to another. Each more crazy n action filled wearing tight restricting clothes that NOONE in reality could do a fight scene in lmao.
Me personally I LOVED the mindless action. Maybe thats the point...she is afterall literally mindless after the lobotomy.
N who doesn't love sexy badass women kicking butt.
Its a shame how it ended though. I was kinda hoping for a happier ending for baby doll. Atleast shats her face escaped though I guess? STILL dunno what her name is or who she was. She couldve been a crazed serial killer for all we know n baby doll just helped her escspe lol.
I always thought their favorite would be league of extraordinairy gentlemen
@Aurora Endevour you have pasted this in a lot of comments I see. Must mean a lot to you.
There is actually an extended cut that reveals a little more, including the fact that Babydoll isn't the main character
If Babydoll isn't the main character, then why is she on the front of the poster. Why is she the centre of attention for every form of media possible while the escapee doesn't get even the SLIGHTEST of notice?
"To help the person escape"
That would work if the movie was real life. This is a work of fiction. You can show the audience the main character or at least hint to it instead of pulling a Shamaylan and then cutting up the final product to perpetuate the meme that big business is ruining your movies.
@@mounne13 th3birdman actually does an excellent job explaining the twist about the main character while responding to cinema sins video on the subject
@@mounne13 like I said, the extended cut that includes the scene where Babydoll volunteers to have sex with the high roller aka get the lobotomy explains it in a way the DVD release did not. and the simple answer is because she's still the protagonist because the main character idolized her,, even if she isn't THE main character, and the main character fills in things like, she heard them refer when Babydoll first came in as being brought in by her "father" and suddenly in Babydoll's head he would be a priest? Nah. That's from the misrepresented ideals of a mentally ill woman who is trying to piece her world together through the eyes of the heroic efforts of an abuse victim who helped her escape a mental institution.
How else would Babydoll know things like where the dress at the end of the movie came from (at the farm house after the bus ride), etc? She wouldn't.
That was the problem with the movie twist, like, the "this was her story all along" wasn't earned in the least, I really doubt the extended cut would fix it though, it's a tall order.
@@Puerco-Potter They should of had a spinning top like in inception to ground it. Anything that was Sweet Pea's fantasy should of had some representation in the background and clues that we are in her mind. Some small flash back about some innocuous, but important to her object would do the trick. Say a doll her and her sister got to share as kids. Have that pop up randomly in places in the background, or representations of it, to show that we are in someone's mind specifically.
Jean Grey's school for the Criminally Insane.
Exactly
It's Batman. She is Batman. She is an insane person in an insane asylum using her mind to fight her fears. Just like Batman. Batman is not a real person in Gotham fighting crime. He is an insane person in an insane asylum turning the inmates, orderlies and doctors around him that terrorize him into figments of his imagination that he can fight on an equal ground inside of his mind. The movie is intentionally vague and superficial so that people that have no idea what goes on in the Seedy underbelly of society and the depths of people's minds and souls won't have a fucking clue what is happening in the movie.
I guess everything has come full circle in that it in no way has
Ha! That is an excellent comment.
@@pauldacon828 Bruce Wayne actually being an insane asylum inmate while all the Batman stuff being in his head would make a great movie plot.
“An Action packed adventure with no character development.”
Destiny 2.
😆
All of Destiny
Destiny fans that played Forsaken: *"THE FUCK YOU SAY TO ME YOU LITTLE SHIT"*
@@Sonichero151 But that's the most perfect example- shock value killing with no weight and nothing else good to counterbalance it
Still more character development than many other MMOs
I've just realized that with each passing year, less and less people will understand that Looney Tunes joke.
As a 2000 baby who was even raised with Loony Tunes it still took a second to register.
Which one?
@@JakanA Yes
Dissssspickable...
It registered with me straight away and I’m a early 2000 baby myself
im surprice im saying this but to quote the animaniacs reboot:
"Hey Zack snyder, It's a 7 minute segment, move it along"
If you look to your right you’ll see the set where they filmed Batman.......
Ohhhhhhhh😮
... vs Superman
Awwwwwwwwww😞
Yes
@@arthurvale5147 I loved that joke! 😆
They really said that?
Jonathan Wallis Same
This was the one movie that confused the hell out of me.
Yeah it took me awhile to realize some of the stuff that happened. When you piece it all together it’s a pretty good movie.
Indeed! I had to look a lot of stuff up but this did help me appreciate the movie much more. I liked the movie a lot after my research and rewatching the movie
@@ed_Skynight sure
Did you watch the Director's cut or the theatrical cut? If it's the latter, I can understand the confusion. The extended cut clears up a lot of things.
I honestly don't think there is much to figure out, just watch it for cool visuals and just understand that it's dream within a dream within a dream...some people might claim its deeper than it seems but I think they might be fooling themselves. :)
I’m impressed he waited this long to make a “Rabbit Season, Duck Season” joke.
Probably one of the best Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies episodes ever.
爪乇 ㄒㄖㄖ
He was inspired by it
WAIT HES NEVER MADE THAT JOKE!
@@mychaeljones7279 nope. And when he did, I laughed so hard!
Imagine just recently having watched Inception, and your anime obsessed friend tells you "I'm writing a fanfic version of Inception, BUT with anime girls, guns, dragons, samurais and steampunk WW2 and it all takes place inside a girl's head who's locked in a Asylum ala Alice Madness Returns but also in a bordello for some old fashion fetishes! And full of music references!", yeah this movie would be the result.
How the hell is Christopher Nolan friends with Zack? I’m starting to think it’s a pity friendship where he just makes the poor explosion obsessed loon think he’s this deep and complex director to make him feel better about himself
@@mrcritical6751 Or maybe he just has a different opinion? You know a lot of directors are quite big fans of Zack Snyder. James Cameron, Robert Rodriguez, etc. Hell, even comic writers who fans say Zack "disrespects"? They tend to like MOS and BvS. Grant Morrison specifically praised the politics of BvS.
You know film is open to interpretation, right? It's possible these people see stuff you don't.
@@northwindkey thing is with Zack I do see what he’s doing, the issue is his subtext is so basic and presented in such a dumb way (example the jolly ranchers scene in BvS being symbolic of the government eating out of Lex’s hand) that I really have to question how anybody thinks what he’s making is deep or complex
@@mrcritical6751 That's the beauty of cinema, sometimes you don't see what others see. Let me tell you what I see in MoS and BvS.
I see Plato's The Republic. I see a story of a "just man" who is put up against an authoritarian society that rejects him because they cannot possibly believe he is good. And so his death is the only thing that can inspire them.
I see modern American politics. I see a selfless immigrant going up against the rich white elite and the fear-mongering media. And I see a message saying that we can un-do our wrongs, that we can be redeemed.
You don't have to see that, you don't even have to like the way it's executed. I defend BvS on paper but I certainly don't think it's perfect. My point here is that it's disingenuous to cross into a realm of personal insults and attempts at objectivity when film is by definition, subjective.
@@mrcritical6751 I'm honestly not sure which you're talking about. Neither is a particularly deep or thought provoking director.
NC: Okay okay as much as I'm hating on this film, this is the part where it introduces a pretty cool idea...
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How did we get the same ad?
Lol I got a Ford ad there
perfect pasta in 60 seconds! Wow fuck me, too bad if you want anything besides oil on them that'll be much longer lol.
Actually its more interesting than the movie...
@@magentapurpleyap5566 Beat me to it
Sucker Punch is a movie that wants your brain on and off at the same time.
So I gotta be that guy who flicks the light switch on and off while making ghost noises.
@@battlion507 Nosferatu!
Watson Day That is the most perfect description of this movie possible.
Just like the main character, so it's fitting
Its too bad because all the different fantasy sequences would have been perfect to flesh out some of the characters- just have each one be like a different action movie with the girl stealing the item being the main character, with some good lines and interactions to flesh them out a bit. Add some stylistic and set design changes to tie the layers of the fantasy together better- IE hint at what inspired each fantasy in the main character's mind- and it could have been way better.
Seen this movie back then and it was good at first but became soooooo boring...
Dude, I JUST watched your video about falling in lava in Zelda games.
I didn't think I'd see you here
Classic example of good ideas, bad execution.
Ta-daaaa! Unlimited budget works
@@TheRezro word
meh personally I found it dull the first time, stood up with "well this was a waste of time".
If the Nostalgia Critic reviews Repo The Genetic Opera I would be over the moon.
Same!
Same here
Right haha
Graaaaaaaaaaaaaaaves!!!!!
Cinema Snob did that review
This movie feels like a struggling writer that has so many cool ideas shelved, with some of those ideas being actually good, who decides to mix all ideas into one but is not sure how to buildup to ANY of the cool stuff and just does whatever possible to cut straight to the action
That's my exact opinion of Bohemian Rhapsody.
"Alright class, today we will be learning about World War I."
Young Zack Snyder: *sweating profusely* 😏😏😏
Has Snyder done it again, or has Snyder done it again?
Yes.
Well yes, but actually yes.
"You made beautiful women kicking ass boring!"
Nailed it.
@@ninjahombrepalito1721 Wow, that was a boring waste of time to read.
@@ninjahombrepalito1721 Where did I say "I didn't read it?"
@@ninjahombrepalito1721 There you go, again.
@@ninjahombrepalito1721 also i have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe you should use that part of your brain a little more to make it more clear, smartass.
@@ninjahombrepalito1721 By giving myself to the action and trying to enjoy the moment I fell asleep when watching and as a result I didn't have any memory of that last fight and didn't even notice before watching this video years later. So maybe it is actually boring and forgettable. I think that's because the movie tries to both have a deep-reaching thematic plot and be filled with meaningless but cool action at the same time which doesn't really work, especially when the "plot" part is made so badly
“Hello, I’m the Nostalgia Critic...”
Alright, time for another video.
“...I remember it- what the hell did I just watch...?”
Well, he cut straight to the chase fairly quickly.
Unlike the fight scenes
A girl tries to stop her sister getting groped and goes to a mental hospital. She pretends to be somewhere else to deal with it and sacrifices herself to save a girl. That's it.
That's what I understood
I mean... yes, but... also
Yeah, basically. There's a lot more than that in there, but Snyder just really did fail to make it relevant or noteworthy. The idea that, "If you were distracted by the T&A, you were the 'clients'," was an interesting twist, but really wasn't presented well. I do believe the Director's Cut really does help the film, but it still doesn't make the higher order concepts shine at all.
Cheers spidy.:)
Ugh. Two hours for that? No thanks. Ill go read a book :(
Wasn't that the plot to American McGee's Alice: Madness Returns?
I actually liked this movie. The story is... ok, in my mind. It could clearly be shown better, but I still like the style and the scenes. They do look like some wild imagination, they do work. This movie could be a lot better, but I don't think it's bad as it is.
I never really get the movie... I like the visuals, the action scene is cool, but I never really get the story. What was I supposed to get from it? I always consider this movie in the category of "beautiful to look at but no story" category
That is Snyder's filmography in a nutshell.
@@Coolcoolcooldude Atleast 300 and Watchmen were adaptations. So he never had to worry about the story part, which really helps him
The characters are trying to escape an oppressive situation and each part of their plan is imagined by the main character as a genre action sequence.
It's simple, but there are deep implications. I would say this is the deepest of Snyder's filmography.
@@SennaHawx True. If he has good screenwriters working for him, it should come out fine. BvS is a poorly written mess of a film, but I could see it working of they had better writers.
I think I am on the same page as you. People who say its deeper are fooling themselves, no offense intended.
“Horny Inception”
That’s actually a very accurate summary of this movie, it feels like Zack Snyder trying to be Christopher Nolan
Put that way, maybe this is why Nolan handpicked Snyder to direct Man of Steel, with the condition he wear a shock collar.
yes.
@@louisduarte8763 this is my headcanon now.
That's pretty much how I describe this movie and I actually quite like it.
Indeed and it's cringy has shit
I was a teenager when I first saw this movie, just about to graduate high school. I never thought too deeply about this film. But me and my friends sure liked it.
Actually loved the movie and watched it a lot of times but I didn’t understand it that much
Same !!!! I just love powerful female leads ! And the action and costume change was very fascinating to me. I love both the vintage and edgy styles
@@GlairGullwing fuck yeah
I like the soundtrack more than the actual film. It's got pretty good songs.
The music does sound really good. As someone who has a family member who was a music editor/consultant etc I always love it when the critic reviews the music of movie. It's particularly awesome how in this one in talks about where songs and music fit by changing the songs out for others. I agree with what he said
Yeah, buy the soundtrack. It have more personality and character development.
Snyder’s style has always been great. He knows how to compose a shot, there’s tons of great imagery, action, music and he’s one of the few directors today that gives his movie an opening credit that hooks you in.
The problem with him however is that while he has style, there’s no substance. His characters are choppy and always have the same problem: pain. Snyder loves pain and his movies always go down the same path: life sucks. Out of all the movies I’ve seen from him, has there ever been a victory? There always has to be a loss, and it wouldn’t be so bad if maybe the story was great.
That’s another thing, Snyder knows how to bring you in, but not keep you. His movies sometimes go on and on, and by the middle part, not much happens. And can he try not to act like an “artiste”? Just by his trailers Snyder wants you to think his movie will be deep, but the dilemma and especially the resolution don’t seem to reflect that. At least Michael Bay knows he’s action schlock. You’re not Kubrick or Scorsese, zack. Stop it.
@@BWMagus The problem is that all the Actors Guild strikes have made the directors and studios nervous about hiring writers. That is my theory anyway. As the saying goes, if you can't rely on others getting things done, do it yourself.
Spot on. Zack's work appears mostly one dimensional and usually consists of just mashing a big red button labeled "FEELS BAD MAN". Visually it's stunning, but without decent writing or reasoning to back it up you have nothing to keep you interested.
I think you described the issue damn near perfectly. I think though to your point has there every been a victory would depend on who that question refers to. I'd argue to the 300, their fighting united Greece and they died in battle. A win to them
Exactly and if anything the proper artist should do what he/she is most comfortable with, don't believe me imagine if Tim Burton decided to write dialogue and direct his movies. Everyone knows he's a great artist but not a great communicator: the same way Shamalayn isn't a great storyteller but still a good director. Do what you're trained for not what you think you can do.
And I think Snyder is one of the better directors today. He at least has technical aspects figured out. He is a good craftsman. With a good screenwriter, he could be great. He just doesn't have range or competence to really realise his ideas. It is surprisingly difficult, and very few directors could do wide range of gendres well.
I always thought that the movie was really about Sweet Pea. Babydoll is the one we see more because Sweet pea made her the hero because she did help her escape. I got that from the way the movie started with the curtains opening on a stage and Babydoll sitting with her back to the audience if you edit to the mental hospital when it would look like she was looking at Sweet pea. Also with the first labotomy it goes from Babydoll to Sweet pea wearing a wig like it was really Sweet pea that fantasies everything that happened. Also the line "this was never my story." I am probably seriously reaching though.
No you're right. That's what it is.
@@rolandbaldwin That always made sense to me because it always seemed like Sweet Pea was "in charge" and her delusional fantasies were her way of dealing with the everything that happened to herself, sister and friends. Babydoll and Sweet Pea are both in that place as a result of their sisters although for different reasons. We never learn the backstory of Sweet Pea and Rocket( I think that was her sister). Babydoll wanted to help Sweet Pea because she had given everything up to help and protect her sister and thought she deserved to free over herself because of what happened to her own sister and her actions resulting in the deaths of the others. It's a movie you have to watch a few times because the first time it's like "what was that?" I think the bus driver was added as the one leading them because he ultimately let her get her total freedom. It's also Sweet Pea doing the narrations at the beginning and end. The bus driver is the same one who guided their journey but it is just a fantasy. The bus driver is real but the audience sees the manifestation in Sweet Peas mind of a person who is important to her. Possibly her father. I think that's the narrations about angels who show up and can take any form. Again I could be reaching, but it's interesting if you think about it and watch it with that in mind.
@@mnicolemortensen7 I think Critic is a bit cynical about Zack Snyder to actually sit back and analyse the film properly but it took me ages to figure it out. His view of Snyder clouded his ability to read what was happening. That's what I think anyhow. Also if you look up Joseph Campbell's 'The Heroes Journey' theory then that is pretty much exactly what happens to Babydoll and the gang. They tick off all the steps of The Heroes Journey.
@@rolandbaldwin I think so too. I think Zack Snyder wanted to make something serious, but because of his reputation there were certain expectations. It's almost like how the Critic feels about the Dr. Suess movies, except this movie didn't have source material you could study. If his name wasn't attached to it would have it been considered differently? My answer is probably so. It's a great movie, but if you are expecting a comic book hero movie this isn't it. If I could describe this movie in reference to other movies the best I can do is a mix of Girl Interrupted, Inception, In the Mouth of Madness. The movie was also marketed horribly. The animated shorts that came out were very well done but gave us a lot of backstory to things that weren't important. They were cool and comic/fantasy based but it gave false ideas of what to expect. The fantasy is essential to the story because it is the characters way of escaping trauma, but it's not the focus. It's boring because the characters know it's not really real. In their mind escaping the torment they under also seems like the greatest fantasy. Why we don't see any of them dance and they escape to the fantasy world is because dance =rape and they "escape" when it's happening to a "reality" where the power dynamic is shifted and they are in control. The rape is happening in reality the same time the fantasy is happening. That's why the girls are sexualized but also fighting. They are victims but at the same time want to fight back but are in a place and situation where they can't.
@@rolandbaldwin Critic is a moron that believes the dance scenes "happen in the real world", when there's no real-world, just different levels of delusions, and the dance/whorehouse level is one step removed from the institution. He doesn't pay attention to the movie, he just watches is and doesn't bother to pause it when he is writing jokes.
This Snyder cut has a scene that actually explains A thing towards the end... But only one thing.
What was the scene and what it'd explain?
Yeah. One explanation for a myriad of questions does not make the movie that much better.
Not intending to rewatch that shit again just for the ending, someone please spoil it
Wait...did I watch the Snyder Cut???
@@johnnynguyen9240 You missing the point. It is like with Star Wars Prequels. People loving Snyder movies don't see shit in what they like, but see thin layer of good ideas. As such because they lack taste and are stupid, they assume that others are even more stupid and simply didn't understand those wasted, poorly delivered concepts. It is why they are convinced then if movie actually explain some random nitpick, people would finally see what they see (except people do, when they don't). And because no one care about rehashes of some old bombs, they convince themselves that people not giving a shit, mean that general audience finally accept those movies, but is ashamed to admit the truth as they do. It is what people usually refer as Evangelion syndrome.
Yah this one’s a guilty pleasure for me, mostly because of the music, action scenes and that the fantasies kinda seem like album cover art. Lol
Aside from his review, this movie is so cool to look at. There are action sequences that I rewind 2 or 3 times just to see them again. Same thing with 300...
When he said Vanessa Hudgens, it actually showed Abbie Cornish lol.
@omni user Not especially. It was just funny. Hence the "lol" I wrote at the end.
A great Christmas episode suggestion: Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer and the Island of Misfit Toys
Oh I think I remember that one!
I watched that special so many times when I was younger
How about Holidaze: the Christmas that almost didn't
To be fair more people need to watch Unaccompanied minors
YES!! I used to love it as a child!!
After watching this film I tried to think of a good way to summarize it and this was my conclusion:
"It's a stupid movie with a smart movie trying to get out."
I am still waiting for them to get sponsored by Wilkins coffee
You have been drinking Wilkins have you?
HAVE YOU.
@@youretheproblem5321 I have... -fearful look-
@@SonicMoon1 Good I won’t have to stab you with my knife!
...some learn some don't 🤺
Me leaving the theater after watching this: "..... They sucker-punched the audience." 😑
That was supposed to be the point funnily enough. snyder said that's why he titled the movie that way
@@lilithium3940 Doesn't seem like the smartest idea. I know my customers always enjoy a good bitch-smacking after paying money to my employers...
And with that thought, I think the Children of the Corn Nostalgiaween episode's Haunted House has competition.
@@Kageribaby Yeah I very much don't agree with how they chose to advertise this movie. All the trailers emphasized the scantily clad women fighting and dancing. If this movie was purposefully shown to the type of audience that would enjoy it, the movie might be more popular today
@@lilithium3940 I didn't watch the trailer, went in blind because a friend wanted to see it. I think I gave the movie 2.5/10, mainly because of the soundtrack, which I later bought. I guess it deserved a 4 because of visuals, some of the effects were pretty good... but I'd just gotten sucker-punched, so I wasn't in the best of moods in regards to this movie. I seriously felt cheated because I empathized with the main character who'd just lost her family and, despite not knowing anything about her, I wanted her to have some kind of happiness. The girl who made it *spoilers* is the worst of them all. She tears down the girls dreams of being free, she bosses people around all the time and is aggressive towards the main character who is just trying to survive and help others. It not just that they destroyed the one you'd been following the entire movie, they destroyed the one with the most/best personality (bland though it may be) and allowed the one who was against everything from the start to gain the most benefit. Had it been her sister who escaped and lived for her and Baby, I think I'd have been more forgiving...
@Mass Monster #1 Not a kid. #2 Not joking.
Baby doll is in Sweet Pea imagination. It's seen the moment in the beginning where Baby doll is going to ge lobotomized and Sweet pea comes in the scene in the brothel as Baby doll. She tries to escape her pain for losing her sister, and that very place. Baby doll represents Sweet pea's body, while Sweet pea represents her own mind. When Baby doll gets lobotomized because she decided to let go, her body is the only thing left in the mental institute while she's not there anymore, as the director of the mental institute says she is in paradise, in the last scene Sweet pea just gets in the bus and leaves, with the sign on the road which says paradise diner.
Essentially the movie is about Sweet pea finding the strength to let the death of her sister go and let her own self go mentally accepting the lobotomy.
Interesting
This movie seems to embody what I've said about Snyder for years: he's better at talking _about_ his stories than he is in actually _telling_ his stories.
that´s a really good insight about Snyder
So Snyder is secretly a retarded clone of Frank Miller that somehow inherited the Watchowskies 'mastery' of character driven narrative, story cohesion and genuine audience engaging plot.
Is that within the ballpark?
Lol
@Al3xh413 not just 300, heard that same energy was on the sets of his DC projects. I feel like Superman's beefcakey-ness was never an emphasis of the character... enter Zack Snyder.
Henry: "Why am I resurrected shirtless? I mean, why did only my shirt and jacket tear off, but my pants are unspoiled?..."
Zack: "Forget that, Henry. Remember when we shot your wet, hairy, man-bear form in Man of Steel? And when you cooked eggs shirtless for some reason in BvS? We need to top both of that!"
Give me more of this Nostalgia Critic! 50% nuanced analysis, 50% comedy. That's when you and your team shine the most, Doug!
Can we just appreciate a good rabbit/duck season joke never loses its humor?
Oh but it will. Try telling that joke to a 15year old and get a laugh.
Hey works on me a 15 year old
Basically this movie is a live-action manga. It's actually sort of a guilty pleasure for me, though this movie got a lot of hate from people.
Oooh. I want to see Nostalgia Critic do Scott Pilgrim vs The World now.
Live action manga you summed it I perfectly !
@@Chicklo11 HOLY SHIT THAT SHOULD HAPPEN
When folks saw Babydoll, they started wondering if this was supposed to be a live-action Sailor Moon.
Exactly. I like the movie myself, but I can't pretend it's for any deep reason.
Honestly I'm surprised they acknowledged "where the wild things are" exists.
He did a sort of deep dive review on it actually, talking about its themes and what they represent
One Snyder film he should talk about is Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga’Hoole. The animation is incredible!
Wait that's a Snyder film?
OMG I KNOW RIGHT!!!!!! finally someone who's heard of it! It's REALLY a shame the story and characters were so flat because they movie, TO THIS DAY, has some of THE most incredible and JAW-DROPPING computer animation I've ever seen!!! Why couldn't they have used it to tell a better story is my issue! It's such a massive, massive shame!!!!!
But I'm so glad to meet someone who has heard of it and loves the animation!!!!
@@princessthyemis yeah but as someone who read the books the movie falls so flat on its ass it's actually hard to watch it again. Like don't get me wrong the animation is amazing but that still doesn't excuse the fact that they tried to shove what was four books worth into one movie and they didn't even get that right.
@@darkhelliadarkfire6109 the main problem of every single modern fantasy movie. (specially the young adult ones)
"oh the first part in percy jackson, eragon, dark tower, dark materials and artemis fowl are so boring at developing world building. we don't want our audience to learn shit and be part of a new world we want them to see cool shit. So insted of adapting one book per movie like peter jackson did with lord of the rings, why can we just adapt like 5 or 6 books per movie, no one will ever care"
ps: i almost wrote "peter jackson" insted of "percy jackson" XD
@@darkhelliadarkfire6109 in my opinion honestly, apart from the story which is basically the first 5 books done in one movies, everything else is pretty faithful or upgraded. Small details like the Legends, the visualization of the flecks, ideal voice acting, ideal musical score, and especially the designs of the helmets and the battle sequences. It’s a pretty house built on sand so to speak. The parts of the movie that fail are the parts where they focus on characters that weren’t in the books such as Allomere and the Echidna. Most of the characters were pretty faithful, better than other fantasy adaptations. The main problem is that the story is so weak compared to everything else. You can feel the condensing.
"This was actually Sweet Pea's story all along..."
Me: "Movie, have you been watching a different movie?"
Did you miss the part when Sweet pea is dressed as babydoll sitting on a bed and saying? it's in the first few minutes. Sweet pea gets lobotomized at the start of the movie, everything in the "real world" and fantasy world is just a product of that.
That's the Sucker Punch. A blow that you didn't see coming.
LMAO!
@@homerc9101 one scene don't earn the movie that ending, if it was the case sweet pea will be present in all fantasies, even the first one.
@@Puerco-Potter that's a pretty dumb statement. There's no need for that, it's not a mystery movie, there's no hidden truth to discover, sweet pea may imagine the background of a new chick or it may be her own backstory. You are so used to handholding that you expect to be explained what is happening and dismiss open interpretation art as mistakes. You are a pleb that thinks movies are all about narrative.
"This is the part where the movie introduces a pretty cool idea."
*Chromebook ad*
lmaoo that literally happened as i was reading your comment
@@MashedTV that's awesome 😂
This happened to me as well but I got a takis commercial
I got buckley's lol
I thought it was gonna be a blackscreen and he would say something like: "Wow! Like...i couldn't think of a idea for character development like that...Could you??.. I couldn't!"
I was under the assumption that mental institute WAS a secret brothel.
A little over half a century ago, it probably would have been. He'll, even in modern times, psychiatric professionals frequently put their patients through all manner of abuse. And not just females. Back in my parents and grandparents era, there were actual cases of women being drugged up and sold for sex. NEVER trust a shrink.
@@areyousureyouenteredyourna85 Things have changed a bit.
@@areyousureyouenteredyourna85 I'd go even further and say they used to experiment on psychiatric patients with brain surgery and lobotomy (if I am to believe what happens in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
).
The only way to tell them apart is that the mental institute has grey walls and is more dimly lit.
I really enjoy this movie. It’s a silly movie that has good scenes. I don’t really pay attention to the characters because of what you were saying. There was no personality at all, it’s just a guilty fun movie hahah.
"Reality is a prison.
Your mind can set you free."
@@dastvan8002 John Carter trailer song.
Things contain
Brain release
and this is all in the matrix
Alice in Wonderland
@@captainrana4777 You have to let it all go Neo. Fear, doubt, disbelief....Free Your Mind!
Woah! Lol
This movie was so boring! Literally felt like nothing happened for over an hour, and completely forgot about it after is was done.
Check out Alice the Madness Returns or welcome to Marwen for the general idea done with a better take on using the setting and characters to explore the main character, and the main idea in general.
You just said my description of Inception
I think I've figured it out. The last scene, with the buss, is the only "real" event in the movie. Everything shown before that takes place in "Sweet Peas" head, while she's riding the buss.
The only thing real about the bus is Sweet Pea "escaping" into her mind right before her lobotomy. The whole thing is Sweet Pea's from start to finish. Baby Doll was never real.
Zack Snyder: This movie is a commentary on the sexism of geek culture.
Also Zack Snyder: Who doesn't want to see beautiful women running down the trenches of World War 1 wreaking havoc?
zack snyder: no one wants to take silly superhero costumes seriously
also zack snyder: isn't batman in a robocop suit crying for her mom cool? I'M COOL!
It's a commentary of Hollywood. He's saying Hollywood is a brothel. Sucker Punch was literally a call to #MeToo before #MeToo was a thing.
@@northwindkey You're giving this movie and Zack Snyder way too much credit, Snyder has never been great at social commentary or anything that's deeper than simple action
@@awaister "Good at" and "intended to be" are two different things. I never said Sucker Punch executed this well. I said that was the intent.
Sucker Punch is too cut down of a movie for me to really judge it anyways. I'll wait for the Director's Cut. Otherwise I'll declare it terrible only to find a better Director's Cut years later that makes me fall in love with it (Kingdom of Heaven).
@@northwindkey seriously theres a directors cut for this? Yeah screw the new wonder woman movie or the new pixar movie that Will come literally on x-mast day, we have to wait for the "extendet and better" cut of a movie no ones talks anymore and move on with their lives 9 years ago because who wants to live in the present when living on the past Is always the answer. COFepisode9COF
Surprised he doesn’t mention in the Snydercut that we actually get a scene with the highroller. That scene feels very important to me and wraps things up a little better.
yeah, u realize the high roller is the lobotomy needle
Zack Snyder should be a game designer.
I have a feeling he would be pretty good at it
All his games would look the same
Now I am surprised that he didn't make Lollipop Chainsaw.
Zack Snyder could write (and draw) one hell of a graphic novel/manga imo
This movie lowkey is one i come back to a lot because it comes off like an Americanization of a Shonen Manga
I mean Baby Doll wears school girl uniform if u look close enough
it feels like that, plus majority of western fans always thinks that shounen is about cool visual with somewhat okay story and character. Also shounen is a genre meant for 13 years old boys.
Or..you're a pervert with bad taste in movies
@@zetamangads I bet you’ve only watch Pokémon to be talking trash 😂😂 because Attack on Titan is definitely a kids show (also stop generalizing, it makes you look dumb)
@@ChampionOfHammerfell I think Pokemon is more dark
"Look at it this way: I'm right."
Has to be my new favorite quote. xD
“Somehow you made beautiful women kicking ass boring.” The perfect summary of this movie as a whole.
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@@zigslotheon That’s a good point
I thought this was the point of the movie? Commentary on sexism, as in female characters without personality just looking sexy. No one cares what they're feeling.
@@Rynn21 You don't think Vanessa Hudgens is attractive?
@@Rynn21 Alright then
Doug: Come on, 2020, you're gonna have to try har-
The entire internet: PLEASE NO DO NOT FINISH THAT SENTENCE *PLEASE!!!!!*
The Snyder trademark: lots of style, little substance.
Pretty much. I've always digged (dug?) Snyder's visual style. However, his storytelling technique, as usual, is almost nonexistent.
So... did Snyder and Michael Bay went to the same film "school"?
Ultimate Cosmic Imagination - itty tiddy tiny plotline.
@@MauZangetsu snyder used to be a music video director. bay was called the most promising director in decades by his criterion teachers
And yet somehow Doug tries to get something out of it and I'm like "What is he even talking about with the dream stuff and Rick & Morty comparison now, wtf?" First, no, those can't be compared. Second, imagining a dance would be like fighting isn't that smart. Even Kickass 2 did it a billion times better.
"Ok, you're going to be reviewing Sucker Punch."
"...only if I get to slip in a half dozen other reviews at the same time."
Only if one of my buddies can do a poopy Zack Snyder Impersonation the whole time.
Personally, I think Snyder was smoking weed and watching anime and said "Yeah, I can totally make a movie like this".
This movie gets the "Well...that's not what I was expecting" award.
You know what would have been better?
A movie about Suckerpunch; the game designers behind the Sly Cooper trilogy!
😎
Or Just The Sly Cooper movie that was supposed to come out 5 Years ago
Also Rocket: Robot on Wheels. I don't see too many people talk about that one. You have to get 100% completion to get the good ending though which is the main flaw of the game but there are some good ideas and mechanics in there.
"Sexism of geek culture"? It looked like it was trying to be a generic anime without personality.
We already have Sword Art Online
It kinda reminds me of black rock shooter
@@pavma7
Black rock shooter actually had connection between what happens in otherworld and reality that tells you more about every character in reality
@@pavma7 at least black rock shooter has personality
So basically every modern anime from the 2010s
This looks like a whole bunch of nothing wrapped up in glossy packaging.
Which would be essentially everything that is marketed to children nowadays.
@@MinimalistTheatre333 so damn near everything that exists?
Here's a Christmas movie suggestion that I hope u see. "Deck the Halls"
Starring Danny DeVito and Matthew Broderick. Broderick even said this film was the lowest point of his career. It's begging for a review
It's honestly fairly stunning he considered THAT the low point. He's done films like Godzilla and Inspector Gadget, and THAT was the worst?!
Bad Santa is WORSE.
No, Bad Santa *2* is worse.
Since Sweetpea(Abby Cornish) is the one narrating, I feel it's _her_ story. The entire movie is basically her fantasy since she's going crazy and just wants to leave. It also explains as to why she immediately gets the girls to go along with her and no one else in the brothel.
There are little hints in the dialogue that also support that Jamie Chung, Jeni Malone, and Hudgens are figments of her memory when Malone's character says that three inmates tried to escape and died.....when it was Chung, Malone, and Hudgens' characters that tried to escape....and died.
Babydoll is probably someone that Sweetpea looked up to since Sweetpea is dressed like Babydoll during the brother scene.
There is also the Emily Browning song about suicide that plays at a certain point in the picture that gives us a hint of how Sweetpea is feeling (i.e. she's suicidal).
At the end, she says: "Now, fight!"
While we see Babydoll, it's actually Sweetpea fighting through the lobotomy. Since the psychiatrist is now the head, maybe that recovery process is sped up.
The film overall isn't brilliant. It still plays like a film that needed a few rewrites to get solidified, but it manages to have some elements that make it a film that is a bit more deep than given credit for. It mixes David Lynch with action and some elements that would be seen in Inception.
You are smarter than critic and you clearly paid attention to what was on screen
Not bad points, but the critic is still correct that we learn nothing about anyone. It actually proves how flat they are -- that it could be anyone of their stories, because they're all so interchangeable.
While "critiquing misogyny" might've been Snyders original intent, there's nothing more misogynistic than sexing up every woman and making nothing more to them than having trauma. It gets old that women characters in general need to be sexually abused or have a love interest as their motivation in life/ story.
If this says anything about how non notable this movie is: I watched it and actually was babydoll for Halloween that year, yet didn't remember much about it except fighting and costumes. I'm someone that remembers the basic stories of 99% of what I've watched.
@@robinhay43 it says more about you than about the movie. And you are starting from a bad position if you want every movie to be character driven and focused on narrative. The movie isn't. The girls are not real, they are dead.
Thank you for your reply. However, I have to disagree with something you mentioned:
Critic isn't 'correct.' He's merely giving his own opinion, as we all are.
As aforementioned in my earlier post, the girls (not Babydoll) are interchangeable since they are a figment of Sweetpea's imagination. They're part of her fantasy since that's the only thing she has going on to pass the time while she tries to escape; Babydoll is in foremost in the movie because that's the girl that made the most impact on her.
There's nothing wrong sexing up women as long as they're given strong characters to balance that out. I'm sure no woman (or man) complained of misandry with Jason Mamoa as Aquaman or Chris Hemsworth as Thor. Jena Malone, in an interview, actually thought the women were 'kick ass' no matter how they were dressed; the male interviewer tried to continually push that the film was written from a 12-year-old's pov. (As someone who was a 12-year-old kid at one point, I found that highly inaccurate).
Again, I actually don't think that Zack Snyder intended for the film to be as deep as some of us(giving it a second look) are seeing it.
I'm actually getting chills thinking (and talking) about this film and remembering why I want to buy it on Blu-Ray....lol
Love the duck season, rabbit season joke but who else excepted his hat to be backwards for him to flip around?
Just me, ok
This December could you do a video on the Rankin Bass Christmas Specials?
That would be so cool.
I remember one that came on a few years ago on freeform and it's never came on before or since, but it was the young santa, but with like porcelain dolls that he looked out of place. It was so bizzare.
@@astrowolvez I never saw that special. I’ve seen the Rudolph special on TV though, and when that happened I always wished the 2D special was on instead.
I'm actually surprised this hasn't been featured on this show already
I couldn't believe it when I saw the comments being from 14 hours ago
I had assumed it was one of the ones I'd watched years ago and forgotten about (I'm a huge fan of Suckerpunch so I didn't mind rewatching Lol)
So he thinks Isaac is playing a doctor? He is identified in the movie as an orderly... You can always tell when a person watched a movie without paying attention to the movie - making any criticism moot as it may or may not have anything to do with the actual movie - often what the commenter was thinking about instead of watching the movie
He knows what Repo is and now I want him to review it
As soon as he said it i thought the same thing
I would both love and hate him to review Repo. Repo is also my trash
🎶 Chase the morning 🎶
oh god somehow I REALLY WANT him to say something about R!TGO.... but.... I also REALLY DON'T want him to. Repo! is the trashy masterpiece and we love the hell of it and it's not really for everyone.. so seeing NC's take on it would be curious but I have grave doubts he'd like the movie enough
The fact that the timid character died first and the 'tough' one escaped made me think it was a coming of age story. The loss of the mother reveals that the father is greedy and violent, which means the mother must have been the protector. The main character sees the danger her father represents and wants to stop him... But she's still a child and lashing out at her father just hurts her sister. Kids leaving shitty homes are often faced with the difficult decision of when to leave. They are trying to figure out their own life and yet they fear leaving younger siblings behind.
I thought of the lobotomy as that threshold between childhood and maturity. Each dream within the dream involves our bland lead character making no impact on her own life even though she imagines that she's the most important one. She loses her timid and fearful part, then one part sacrifices itself and I have no idea what part that was supposed to be. I would have had that be regret.The longing to restart your life because you do not feel ready to face the world and focus on the opportunities you did not have, the time you wasted, and the pain you've been through. Even the list of items could be those things we believe we need in order to enter the adult world- things we do not have and are tricky to get but that come easy to others. I bet everyone has had experiences where they were afraid that their ownership of something they worked hard to get and/or their self worth could be yanked away. (Imposter syndrome?)
The fact that the woman who escaped has more of an adult look (taller, not wearing an anime schoolgirl outfit, and arguing with the regret personality to shut up and move on). So the main character is childhood. Bad things can happen to her, she make her own ways to escape reality, she often looks fearful but imagines herself as a badass. That's why she tells the 'adult' character that it's not her story. It's not about what we go through as children, it's about who we decide to become.
Maybe it was a concept that would have actually been better in an anime, where you can draw the same character with different feelings. A timid character is thin and small and may dress in bigger clothes to hide the curves that come as girls start becoming women. Another could be judgemental and either copy or mock others around her- the part of life where we try to figure out who we are while being bombarded with everyone else who may also be searching or already figured out who they are. Tropes and cliches and so many personalities all around.
Then you still have the regret personality that would constantly be missing something like a pen or an umbrella or lunch; and never seem to have the right thing to wear. Then childhood and adulthood. All the same face but still different.
...Anyway, that is what I thought the movie was going for even if it was not representing it very well. Then the lobotomy happened. Is this a curveball and all that personal growth was for nothing? A metaphor about waiting too long to find out who you are before the opportunity is taken from you? Just a crappy ending?? What?!
That may be the most accurate explanation ever. Maybe the lobotomy is basically life and death. As it happens she's looking back on all the choices she's made through a filter. Life is what we make of it. Death is mainly reality. Even when you think you're the main character, you're not. And don't always get a happy ending, but hope for the best with what you've done with your life. Baby Doll may have failed to escape but at least saved someone. A bitter sweet ending but I guess that was the point
@@renji90998 Thank you, that is kind of you to say.
I think your analysis makes a lot of sense too. Death will happen, we can't stop it. So, instead of the usual ending where Baby Doll might have used what she imagined to somehow escape... she dies. If we can't stop death, and life is something other people can take from us easily and without remorse, our goal is to make our lives mean something. Making the world better somehow for other people.
Plus, Snyder has stated he thinks of his movies as art...And when you create art you may want it to mean several different things so there can be discussion and because that's the beauty of art.
If the movie for whatever reason gets a remake can they put you on the writing staff and sew Snyder's mouth shut?
@@cursedseagullgames They need to hire you as well so we'll outnumber him! How are your sewing skills?
@@ImginaryHeroine Phht, hahaha! Well I'd say I'm decent enough. Never made costumes but I have done plenty of alterations to make things fit.
Despite its faults, I love and own a hard copy of this movie. it’s just visually beautiful.
Really didn't wanna remember this film, but the part on how Sucker Punch got criticised for trying to comment on sexism by sexualising women reminds me of freaking Cuties tries to comment on child sexualization by sexualising children and getting shortlisted for an Oscar😶
Sometimes you got to hit people over the head for them to get something. Unfortunately hitting people over the head hurts and while some people might like that type of pain others tend to lash out at the thing or person that hit them. I see it all the time to varying degrees. I take the pain as a blessing that I can still feel something and am not dead inside.
Ugh, that's just sick...
People just don't seem to realize that showing the thing isn't the same as critiquing it. YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
My take on this topic:
It's the difference between being sexualized and objectified in the asylum/club and the empowerment of actually getting to have autonomy in the fight sequences. To paraphrase Jenna Malone, "when I imagine the superhero version of myself I'm not in sweatpants." And assuming women are only "sexy" for men is also sexist. (Not saying that's how OP feels, just regarding the common takeaway they reference.) There's a pretty big lack of male gaze shots in this movie.
Using Transformers as an example:
There is a massive difference between any shot of Megan Fox in Transformers to any shot of any single one of these girls. Megan IS objectified by the movie. Specifically by her wardrobe and the camera.. These girls are imagining their fantasy hero versions of themselves the way they want and the camera follows them the same as it would follow Shia Lebouf.
The club is to show us exactly how the men see them and the true nature of what is being done to these girls without resorting to the exploitation of women imprisoned in an asylum being repeatedly SAed. The fight sequences are the disassociations of the victims instead of the horrific actions being done to them by the staff.
"Just because you're using great songs, doesn't mean you're using them in a great way."
Someone should have told George Lucas that before he made "Strange Magic."
At least some of the characters shared in the audience's pain
Or Baz Luhrmann when he made his Great Gatsby adaption
I saw this film when it first came out. I kind of liked it. Then I wondered why I liked it. Then I realized it makes no sense and is a mess. Now Im of the opinion this film fvckin blows.
Fun fact the "Lennox House" is based on a actually asylum in Brattleboro Vermont. They renamed it for dramatic effect in the movie. It was actually called "Brattleboro Asylum for The Mentally Insane" but is now named "Brattleboro Retreat" it is also hella haunted.
Who DOESN’T hear “Calm” and immediately think of the Nostalgia Critic?
18:13
The fact that critic mentioned Repo! I honestly did a double take
makes me so happy this got mentioned even as a passing comment
Cinema Snob did a review of it in October.
And now, we wait to see how Critic's love of Christmas will kill us all next week
He has yet to one up himself from Grandma got run over by a reindeer review IMO.
Everything else has been great, but that one still is the best he’s done.
@@ZakanaHachihaCBC I know I'm almost a year late with this, but IMO, he topped that with the bit he did before the Rapsittie Street Kids review
I love this movie. I like how as the girls become more confident and start trusting one another they become more badass in the action fantasy world. You can see a bit of who they are by looking at their behavior, and roles within the action scenes.
Doug's expression during the calm logo appearance just looks so awkward. Like how do you not laugh at this: 16:41
I personally thought this movie was dull but the imaginations and master took my interest.
Actually, that song at 12:32 is awesome!
Admit it... those are the only scenes worth a shit.
The whole thing couldve been those (kinda like a remake of Heavy Metal) and it would have been at least mildly entertaining.
The opening had me hooked & I wanted to see where it would go. And then when they showed her at the mental institution about to lobotomized, I was intrigued. The switch the brothel caught me off-guard because I thought maybe the mental institution was a fake out somehow. Then the fight scenes started & my spouse & I just started drinking to get through it . . . So yeah. Interesting premise but way too complicated & convulted to actually work for me
I gave you thumbs up for that last sentence. I can respect you.
whole mental institution is in her head right before the lobotomy happens. it's her fear and struggle to accept the needle, which in the brother becomes a metaphor for rape
This movie is very odd but always captivates my attention when I watch the film. Cool idea with great imagery. Just not really executed the best.
I remember movie bob of all people was able to break down all the symbolism within symbolism
When he was done i made the comment "wow ... now i know why it was shit"
Movie bob sucks
Thanks for watching this movie and reviewing it. You're not quite getting it. The whole movie is not perceived from Babydoll's point of view. The movie is told linearly through the minds of two different characters. The switch first happens when Babydoll and Sweetpea meet eyes. Sweetpea is acting out what is to be Babydoll's fate on the stage. Then you switch to Sweatpea's hypnotic view of the asylum. Sweetpea's hypnosis is fading and the dance hall is a thin veil of what's really going on. Whenever you see the dance hall, that's Sweetpea's pov. When Babydoll is eventually hypnotized she sees the asylum as a battlefield. Dancing and battle is a replacement for the obvious rape and abuse that's happening in the asylum and the therapist gives the girls a place in their minds to escape or combat mentally their abuse. You are seeing one linear storyline being told in three different perceptions. Reality (the cold dark dank asylum, Sweetpea's vision (the thinly disguised dancehall brothel which is just slightly better than what's really happening as Sweetpea is on the verge of losing faith), and Babydoll's pov which is the battle. Hey, I know this movie is not for everyone. But when you understand the linear story being told from three different perspectives, the movie becomes much more powerful. It's ambitious and maybe too hard of a concept to present-day audiences who might only see cute girls in anime costumes fighting dragons. This is a movie about women being brutally abused, but in an act of grace, the asylums therapist doctor tries to give them a place to hide in their own minds when the abuses occur. While the other girls have settled on a dance hall fantasy that barely protects them, the therapist gives Babydoll a place where she can feel powerful and have the will to fight back. Each girl sees their world through their own filter. And the movie's twist is indeed that it was never really a babydolls story, it was Sweetpea's story. Babydoll gives Sweetpea the push to escape. And ultimately Babydoll's mission was to bring the whole fucking place down. Even if the price was her life.
This film would've been great as a steampunk-style/Ronin type adventure, with character development.
Malcolm and Tamara need to get this sponsor for The Critic during the Christmas season...
I haven't see the movie but it sounds like a pretty big spoiler for "I'm thinking of ending things" at 9:02.
"If you being abused by the establishment, close your eyes, imagine some video games and everything will be better"
That's how I get by.
Never seen the movie but it looks like they could have just cut out everything except the combat and they would have had like 40 minutes of cool content.
It was that content they used to sell the film of as something awesome in the trailers, then you watched it and where so confused of what you just seen you were unsure it you just missed the real bigger picture. In the end its just such a comically bad attempt at a point that fails on so many levels it managed to have simply no working point at all.
but with no character development, stakes, or motivation. ofc the fights are badass and it's fun to watch out of context but it loses value when you look too deep. the fight scene with the samurai I watched on youtube with a friend and really really liked even though I thought it was a bit ridiculous that moment was fun to watch. but when you put it into the context the movie is trying to put it in it makes no sense and becomes bland, even more so when there are six different fight scenes just like that.
Kind of like the RWBY trailers the fight scenes are good as cool spectacles, but for a movie you need more connecting tissue and having the fight scenes be dream sequences pulled all the excitement out of them in the wider context of the movie.
Go watch Th3Birdman's video on this movie, you'll get something more in depth from not seeing it than you shall in this particular review :)
@@carrastealth how about no? it looks horrible and i don't really want to see more of it.
While watching this movie, I couldn't help but feel like there was no reason to be worried about the outcome of any scenario. Since it all amounted to an imaginary dance in the mind of a psychiatric patient.
Idk something about that just made it impossible for the movie to have any real stakes or hold my interest for longer than a minute.
Always got the feeling the movie was trying to allude to some deeper meaning but the execution was just terrible imo. Some people might love it but it's definitely not my cup of tea.
the stakes are the guardian angels in the movie who are risking their lives to inspire the audience to continue the fight of oppression
This is the film that made me realize that I can't stand Snyder. Everything after has simply reinforced it.
I'd like to see him review Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.
Another rip roaring adventure!
Honestly, I think that both substance and style are needed for a film. The style is what draws the crowds in and what makes certain scenes cool while the substance is what’s underneath that makes the movie more interesting.
On a side note: Can you do Birds of Prey next?
I agree, but there’s no substance to Synder’s films.
Huh, didn't know there was Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey spin off before Man of Steel
At least Birds of Prey has character & personality along with pretty girls & action scenes- not to mention that it made a lot more money.