Those dudes? Should be ignored at all costs LOL. They seem to be concerned with size a little too much. Sizing up a guy by his watch size is absurd and makes them sound very insecure
10 Types of Watch Snobs (according to TGV and Marc): 07:19 #1: The quartz watch hater 10:11 #2: The luxury elitists collector 12:30 #3: The affordable only collector 16:55 #4: The investment collectors 19:42 #5: The smartwatch only wearer 22:08 #6: Vintage-is-better snob 24:56 #7: The one brand purist 29:14 #8: The collector that will not wear anything but Swiss made because they don't want Chinese parts in their watch (LOL if they'd only knew) 31:01 #9: The collector who just sh*t on everyone else's opinion on what makes a good watch 33:32 #10: Collectors who make lists about why other collectors might be snobs You're very welcome, mate.. cheers..😎
#8 is a very special kind of stupid. I see these ppl spit their venom whenever someone mentions buying an affordable Japanese watch, instead of some overpriced Swiss watch. They bring up "Swiss Made", whilst being wilfully ignorant of the fact that only 60% of the watch actually needs to be sourced and manufactured in Switzerland. There are loads of Swiss watches I like, but I would never consider Japanese watches to be of a lesser quality, and that's why I currently only have Japanese watches.
Mark's comments regarding wanting to experience different things if you have the means and collecting being a lifelong journey are absolutely spot on!! Let's all enjoy this madness!!
I have another snobbery: the water resistance snob. Not getting anything with less than ISO certified 200m because they work outside during rainy weather from time to time 😅
Yes, absolutely. I miss the SKX as much as the next guy but the people who were losing their minds because the new “5KXs” only had 100 m of water resistance made me chuckle.
@Bob_Smith19 I'm still a fan of screw down crown on watches that aren't divers especially if they dont have crown guards because it protects it from bumps
@@Bob_Smith19 "People are under the assumption the crown adds to the water resistance." How would they be wrong for thinking a screw down o-ring crown adds to water resistance?
Loved this discussion! I think that smartwatch snobs just aren't "watch people" but are simply gadget people. The person that has a smartwatch collection will also have like six tablets and smart everything in their house too. Don't think there's a way for people like that to convert to traditional watches honestly.
Exactly... Smart watches are really watches anyway. And, who needs to know their heart rate at any time of the day? I look at it like this - you're either alive or you aren't.
Would you believe Alex. I converted! I was gadget mad, latest phone every year, latest tablet, latest laptop, latest smartwatch, latest earbuds. What changed for me was the obsolescence. Everything I bought eventually became obsolete and I just stopped. My phone is now 4 years old and working fine. I still have the same smartwatch but I only wear it when I'm on the rowing machine and haven't bought a new computer unless strictly necessary. Then I found watches. They don't become obsolete, I can hand them on to my children. They have history. A Seiko Navitimer that I backpacked around the world with, a Casio G-Shock that I climbed the Fox Glacier and Mount Tasman with, a Cartier Tank I wore when I got married. You can't get memories like that from an electronic gadget. However you're right. I don't think there are many people who will change.
@@Jimmy_Creamyou sound like someone that is afraid of change. Under your thinking people shouldn't wear divers. After all you're either diving or you're not.
@@Jimmy_Cream people with heart conditions might want to know their heart rate. Kind of important for those folks. Not saying smart watches are the greatest, but they are certainly not the worst & have many uses that may not be readily apparent.
This video has today gotten me to put down my Tudor and pick up my Flightmaster. There are so many watches I own that get a bad rep online (and online only - because nobody would ever say these things in person), because I haven’t bought the “correct” choice. Apparently me receiving a quartz PRX as an anniversary present is basically like being a “watch poor”, when really, I’ll enjoy the second half of my present which is a trip back to Japan. What would I rather own, a £3500 watch? Or a £300 watch I can take away and create incredible memories (and will be the watch I am wearing when I propose there). I know what I’d rather have, anyway.
Snobbery is not in having preferences (affordable, expensive, quartz, mechanica, etc). The snobbery comes in with your attitude towards those that don’t follow your lead. If you look down on the other side…. Hello Mr. Snob!
I qualify as the "affordable watch snob" . It's not that I don't admire expensive watches; it's just that there is a point beyond which one isn't paying for the watch but rather paying for the name. One of your best videos!
I recall buying the 38MM Islander Pepsi (1st generation 4 years ago). I wore it a few times, then gave it my brother as a gift. He wears it everytime I see him. It truly gives him great joy. It still glistens in the sunlight when I see it. Truely inspiring.
Happy to hear these words about us Germans from you two lovely people! I am born in the last few months of the 70s and we are indeed a completely different people now, a fact which a lot of people from around the world don't always acknowledge. Even my parents were born after the war. Also, with Italian roots, it's got to be said that the Italians weren't exactly holding back in their partnership with Germany before WW2, only that they didn't get any of the bad rep from it
Ya, I know some people from Germany. The recent generations have learned from their mistakes. Meanwhile, we Americans are doing our best to forget all the sins of our past. I do have to say that I'm not currently a fan of Russian watches. I don't support what they are doing right now!
@@benjaminbarrera214 I'd say the generation right after the ones who went astray learnt from it, even most of the ones before. If you've read that book "The Wave", you'll know that it can happen anywhere. Human nature, unfortunately. There have been some uncomfortable moments in the last 3 years that brought back some of this mass group-think in a lot of places, pretty ugly to see that.
It almost moved me to tears to hear your views on the Germans. Being a child of the 70s as well, I'm so aware of our past and it feels good to be seen as nice people today, especially by Jewish. Greetings from the Black Forest.
I really enjoyed this show. You guys have a great presentational relationship. You’ve exposed the internalized preoccupations of thousands of collectors and done it with great humor and good graces. Bravo!
When you appreciate watches, you can find a Casio duro and say what a amazing watch and tremendous value, You will wear it proudly and actually be able to talk about its features. I dont dive 1000M dives but I can also wear my Sinn U1 T-SDR for everyday wear and if I feel like a night out on th town, I can wear my Rolex 16710 Coke dial and feel amazing just as I do when I wear my Casio. It is all about appreciating the engineering, design and functionality of a time piece. People that criticize a watch based on visuals, price and or because they dont find value, are best keeping their feelings to themselves. There are plenty of watches to fit individual tastes. Great video as always gents!
I‘ve been the affordable only collector snob so far. Not just for the reason mentioned that I feel I can get a lot more fun from like 10-20 different cool affordable watches instead of one luxury watch, but also because I‘m afraid that I will not connect with the watch and then would have to resell it as used, lose a lot of money, etc. Maybe I need to borrow a luxury watch from somewhere to test it so to speak, but I don‘t even know where you could do that except for friends, etc.
I don't think you are a snob. I think you like watches, but you don't have $10,000 worth of liking for them. That doesn't make you a snob at all, but criticizing people who like expensive watches will.
I have no issues with ppl who only collect affordable watches, it's entirely your choice. But I absolutely despise those who criticise other ppl who buy more expensive watches. It doesn't even have to be about Swiss watches, as I've seen these morons on videos about G-Shocks.
Luxury I think is defined by the individual. G-shocks came out in 1983. They were simply a luxury I could not afford so I had lower priced Casios which were fantastic in their own right, It was not until 2013 that I felt I could afford the luxury of a G-shock. Lol. Now I have a slew of em.
Great video guys! Regarding point number 5 there is a whole generation of people that have grown up with a smartphone/smartwatch and have never known a world without the internet and smart electronics nor do they have any knowledge about traditional watches. Yes there are probably a portion of Apple Watch fanatics that refuse to consider anything else but I think that is a small percent. My own experience after not wearing a watch for 20 years and purchasing an Apple Watch has lead me back into traditional watches and learning about different movements and all the other watch nerd things. I now have a small collection of micro brands, house brands (Islander!), Seiko, Citizen, and one Grand Seiko. So thank you Apple for getting me back into wearing *real* watches! 😛
Great discussion. The watch I covet most is a Casio I don’t have. It belonged to my father, who died when I was 11 years old. I’m 54 now. I have expensive, and not so expensive, watches. That one, which got lost at my family home decades ago, is one I would cherish. It would be priceless to me.
Lovely video! I was definitely guilty of the quartz snobbery. Then I remembered how fun Casio watches can be and how cool Grand Seiko quartz watches are.
“It’s not the watch that makes the man” so well said. $100 or $100,000 watch, everyone has 24 hours a day, no more, no less. Enjoy wearing the watches, enjoy Urban Gentry and Mark’s videos. That’s life 🎉.
The Tiger at the end of the video was great that was so funny almost fell out my chair laughing. You and Marc are always great to watch work together always a good time watching.
I'm glad you covered the affordable watches only snobs, because they often play the victim card when it comes to so many watch discussions and videos. These types of snobs don't only exist within the watch community, I've seen their kind on high end office chair videos too. Rather than accepting that they can't afford something, they'll use words like "overpriced, overhyped and overrated" to fuel their own personal inability to buy a certain product. I can't afford watches from brands like AP, VC and Patek Phillipe, but I would never hate on any of their watches because of that.
I am new to watch collecting and there is part of me that hates majority of quartz watches as I grew up with a few cheap quartz because that was all I knew back then. I started to collect vintage mechanical watches because the novelty of gears and spring driven movements and I like the historical aspect of vintage stuffs. I decided to look for a quartz to set my mechanical watches. I've done my researches and I decided that it has to be a high quality quartz movement. I finally bought a broken Seiko kinetic, serviced it, replaced the broken IC and it was worth it. Kinetic watches are like automatics but they are quartz and uses electrical energy from wrist movements so there is an interaction and connection just like mechanical watches plus the quartz accuracy. I am in a honeymoon phase with my Seiko kinetic.
It's so true that no one is looking at people's watches, except for maybe that rare person who's really into them. Never buy a watch thinking that you're going to have everyone fawning over it and thinking you're a cooler/better/richer person because of it. You really have to wear something that you really get a kick out of. I've been fascinated by watches since I was small, starting with Casios (one had a thermometer on it that blew me away and was a favorite for a long time), and have been wearing a whole range of watches over the decades. One of my prized possessions is a Texas Instruments Model 101 from the '70s during the LED boom which still looks good today. Lately, although I have some fine watches, I get a big kick out of the Seagull 1963, 40mm. It wears really well and keeps time better than more expensive stuff, and just looks cool. If I would call myself a snob in any way I'd say I'm slightly anti-smart-watch. They don't have much character and they're too ubiquitous, which I feel precisely reflects the persons wearing them. Another one would be anti-dive-watch. I mean, come on, how many of those people dive? I admit they can look cool, but they've flooded the watch market. They're a way to kind of signal an adventurer type, but it's a lot like all those people who drive pick-up trucks yet never haul anything, or Jeeps and never go off-road, or small people in giant SUVs. Oh, and I have a thing against watches from conglomerates. That's simply not healthy consumerism.
I have to say that is the new you TGV. Part Tony, part Tigger. Also, Mark always appreciate your insights - watches are an art medium - it depends what you do with it. Always a great show when you present your views together. Looking forward to more free and unbiased content. As I write this, I look across to the Greenwich Observatory, just on the hill, the home of time and feel a draw beyond just wearing a watch but also to time itself. Good health to you both!
I’ve just sold my entire ‘luxury’ watch collection. I now wear my Seiko Alpinist the most now…a Squale 1521, Studio Underdog and a Tudor Black Bay now. And I’m very happy with them.
3) This is me, for sure. If I had thousands of dollars to spend on a single watch, I'd still spend only a few hundred. A $200-300 Orient or Citizen watch makes me happy, and if I buy one of those instead of a Submariner or a Seamaster, I can also buy a motorcycle or remodel my dining room.
Someone may have mentioned it, but one that i find super annoying is the "Why would you buy a microbrand, it's a waste of money / brand history is the only thing the matters" watch snobs.
In general I dislike anyone who puts down another man’s watch choice. Wear what makes you happy! 😎 I was under the weather this morning. So took it slow today and watched this video after breakfast. And it gave me so much energy. I should pay you guys for medical services. (Tiger TGV made me laugh as well 😊) I don’t consider myself a watch snob. Love my Casio and Seiko just as much as my Omegas for example. Casio for the design and easy to slap on the wrist. Seiko also for the design but also the value for money. My Omegas for the beauty, history and great engineering (I also love Rolex by the way) And my Island watches for the passion that Marc puts into them, and they look brilliant. I wear all of them, depending on my mood or the situation. It’s a passion. Of course if I had more money I would buy more exclusive watches but I wouldn’t be happier. Never bought a watch as an investment but some of them are definitely assets that could be turned into cash if the situation warrants it. You never know. I can go on about this… great video guys. Loved the Socrates quote! Wish I lived closer to thank you in person. Fantastic.
Inverted snobs are quite big too- also we often place our own budget and values in a watch as being the correct budget/value. “How can anyone spend £8000 on a Rolex DJ/OP when you can get a Christopher Ward sealander for a tenth of that!” (Maybe because the person has the money and wants the OP/DJ and not a CW) “I would never pay over rrp for a watch” (I wouldn’t pay over rrp for a Rolex because their rrp is expensive enough but if I really wanted a g shock that was rrp £140, hard to get hold of and was available for £200 I wouldn’t think twice as for my budget £60 is an expense I’m happy to pay. Someone some extra 0s on their bank balance might feel the same way about a few grand over rrp)
I've got some Seikos, a Tudor BB58 and a Tissot PRX Powermatic and a G-Shock. I only wear my Apple Watch when I go to the gym or am out on a walk/office commute to better track my steps and heart-rate. I'm starting to travel a bit ore now, so I'm thinking of picking up a microbrand GMT, but I have always had a fascination with mechanisms and machinery, so I stick to automatics when possible.
Can't say I am a watch snob. Have a little of everything in my humble collection. If you like it, wear it, wear it proudly. Enjoy it. Who cares what anyone else thinks. The only thing I hate is "fake watches" for various reasons and like you guys not a fan either of smart watches (the closest thing to a smart watch I own is an Alpina HSW, which is just a cool, affordable watch and a Garmin Fenix 6xl for athletics). Another great video. Love you guys!!! Cheers, Markus Be.
You guys are great, love the camera failure and the Cheeto lion in place of TVG, keep up the good work. Not taking yourselves to seriously makes me think you’re like us.
I'm with Marc, I agree that your videos are brilliant, well researched and really well edited. I'd love to see a sort of behind the scenes video showing some of the filming and editing process.
Excellent video from yourself and Marc TGV! It gave me a smile as I am wearing my Mission Impossible DW-290 1VS as I watch this! I have gone through various stages of most of these snobberies and grew out of them! Lol. Except for one. I don't like watches where I have to work out what time it is when I look at it. As the meme goes "Ain't nobody got time for that!“ 😂 I have everything from Casio to Seiko, Orient, Hamilton to one Omega and even one Grand Seiko Spring drive. I even have a few Chinese watches which are great quality and amazing value with good movements including one with a real Sellita movement! So, I'm definitely not a snob except for that one thing! Btw, you were right. It's difficult to take off the Mission Impossible. It's just so cool! The tiger is great. You should do it more often!!
I used to be a Swiss-watch-only guy till I stopped earning as much money as before. It was a blessing in disguise as I began to appreciate more affordable non-Swiss brands.
Awesome video and content. You two are meant to work together. Great chemistry and insight. As a result of this discussion, I am committed to being more open-minded.
Hey Tristano, Great bit of humor at the end :)) I appreciate the effort you put into producing this videos. That low battery icon at 31:20 was a great touch 😅 O&U!
Ya know what, You made me laugh out loud with how you edited the cartoon character in your place! Genius TGV, and fun. Thanks for this video, guys! Great content once again.
I enjoy these videos you two do a lot. I have become a watch enthusiast in the last 10 years or so probably due to my retirement. It is definitely a journey. Casio got me into watches as that's what my Dad considered a high value watch when I was coming of age. I remember us both wanting a G-shock when they came out. I was a soldier and my civilian career was in law enforcement so watches suited to those endeavors were always interesting to me. I have started to expand in what interest me watch wise. I guess it can be different for each person. I kind of just like what I like and look for that in watches that are not ridiculously expensive. they are all cool to look at though.
"I bought my first Rolex"... that line is funny when you are talking watch soul. Machine assembled mechanical vs quartz machine assembled. Soul is from the artisan making it, be it cars, clothing, jewelry etc. Each to their own though.
Such a fan of your channel. My grail is a Rolex stainless sub, which my dad gave me as an heirloom for my 40th birthday. which I think he bought for himself circa 1990 for his own 40th. It is my only watch right this moment. I am buying a Seiko 5 Sport because I feel silly going to work in a Rolls Royce when we all actually drive corollas. Always interesting in hearing the best new options from 200-600 usd. I am saving up for an Island watch because he is indeed a cool dood. Cheers gents.
The quartz thing always makes me laugh, some how people claim a spring and a bunch of gears has more soul than a piece quartz from the earth that happens to actually vibrate to give us time?!
@finesse49 I'm well aware, just trying to make a point, Grand seiko grows and ages the crystals them selves, it still makes more sense than claiming a coiled spring has more 'soul'
I spent 2k on a Casio MR-G. And its incredible. The finish, the look. Its absolutely luxury quality. And the samurai inspired design was irresistible for me
Spending that much on a Casio blows my mind more than people that find out how much some of my Pateks cost but I’m sincerely happy for you. I’d love to c high resolution pics, freaking TH-cam!
@@ryanjofre yea man I'm out here living on the edge. If you have plural pateks .2k is a drop in the bucket. The MRGa are completely hand built hand polished . They use traditional Japanese patterns and color pallets. You need to see one in person. And it links to an app and auto sets itself which is extremely cool to watch . And it does function checks. If you're at all into gadgets then it's a must have
I had the snobbery "only power reserve >60h is good enough" for new watches until 2 years ago. Since then I had to trouble shoot and fix some poor ETA 2824 clones and an ETA 2824 which I stuffed up myself. Today I'm great admirer of this caliber, I just bought a Vulcain Nautique and I'm super happy. I you have a couple of watches, power reserve is not a major deal anymore.
I know someone who thinks anything not swiss is not quality, and has nothing but bad things to say about seiko. Even though they do not own a seiko and have not done their due diligence when it comes to their vast history and importance in the industry. Great video as always!
27:26 they're talking about all those SJWs who vote blue and hate Trump and think PB&J sandwiches are racially divisive. You guys make the best watch videos! KEEP DOING IT! :D
Watch Snob, my nephew, i bought 2 rolex watches in 1986 to commemorate my company doing 2 million dollars in sales. I didn't get the box and paperwork from my Jeweler and i got a great deal. Today my nephew looked down on them because his rolex he purchased has box and paperwork and mine dont. 😂
27:25: Beautifully put, Marc. *My* pet peeve, snobbery-wise? The whole "true" GMT thing. Can we just simply categorize these watches as either "traveler" and "caller/office" GMTs? (Also: points to TGV for the "creative" Camera-3 sub.)
Who knew the T in TGV actually stands for Tiger!? Agree with a lot of the points raised. At 9:51 Marc articulated it perfectly: if you like it, who cares? That's something I'm actively trying to keep front of mind as I go on my own learning/collecting journey. (Typed as i look down at my Casio CA-53w 😂)
As always another great video. I guess I really don't like the "watch brokers" you see on line who only pimp the really expensive 1% . I have always prided myself in appreciating any watch. I am no one to judge what someone else uses to mark the time.
@@theurbangentrySorry I can’t agree with you there. I have a Casio casioak and I absolutely hate it. I would take a pagani design quartz chronograph over it any day.
I wanted a quartz I could leave in my gym bag so I wouldn't have to worry about servicing or setting the time. I originally got a Timex Pepsi that looked fine, but the fake bezel & misalignment bothered me too much. I decided to order a Long Island quartz diver & I'm super excited for it to get delivered. It was a fair price for the features and something I will enjoy everytime I put it on. Lesson learned: cry once, buy once!
It's the Ameriquartz dive with the black dial. I didn't notice anything unusual about it aside from it being a flatter black finish. Is this the one you're referring to?
@@elmooko69 YES that's the one, but not that there's anything WRONG with the dial, I just don't like the way it looks. I think it's meant to be an SKX173 and I never liked that dial.
There are definitely smartwatch collectors! I had a 7 smartwatch collection before I ever owned any mechanical or quartz watch. It was the smartwatches that eventually got me into more "traditional" watches.
@bertholdbach4959 Haha! I still own and use my Pebble Time Smartwatch regularly, something about it just feels good. I definitely wear quartz and mechanical ones more often though!
Smartwatches from phone companies are kind of a gimmick in my opinion, because they become obsolete every year with the new iterations that are replacing the older models each year. However, Garmin has some amazing “smartwatches” though
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I hate the "anything sub 40mm is a females watch" snob.
👏👏👏👏 So true, I see it in almost every review I share.
Excellent point, thank you for sharing that.
Best regards,
TGV
Those dudes? Should be ignored at all costs LOL. They seem to be concerned with size a little too much. Sizing up a guy by his watch size is absurd and makes them sound very insecure
There is nothing more fragile than a rufty tufty mans man that only likes big man size watches. Tragic.
That is why many of mine are 39mm or less 😂🤷♀️
Our grandfathers stormed the beaches of Normandy with 34mm watches…. Let’s see someone call them a lady!
10 Types of Watch Snobs (according to TGV and Marc):
07:19 #1: The quartz watch hater
10:11 #2: The luxury elitists collector
12:30 #3: The affordable only collector
16:55 #4: The investment collectors
19:42 #5: The smartwatch only wearer
22:08 #6: Vintage-is-better snob
24:56 #7: The one brand purist
29:14 #8: The collector that will not wear anything but Swiss made because they don't want Chinese parts in their watch (LOL if they'd only knew)
31:01 #9: The collector who just sh*t on everyone else's opinion on what makes a good watch
33:32 #10: Collectors who make lists about why other collectors might be snobs
You're very welcome, mate.. cheers..😎
I am a number 10 snob. And like Marc, I try to have every different movement that I can.
#8 is a very special kind of stupid.
I see these ppl spit their venom whenever someone mentions buying an affordable Japanese watch, instead of some overpriced Swiss watch.
They bring up "Swiss Made", whilst being wilfully ignorant of the fact that only 60% of the watch actually needs to be sourced and manufactured in Switzerland.
There are loads of Swiss watches I like, but I would never consider Japanese watches to be of a lesser quality, and that's why I currently only have Japanese watches.
#11: The no Rolex collector. They believe that Rolex watches are overpriced and overhyped and make the wearers look like posers.
@@petersmith2040 some of us can't or may even possibly never be able to afford a Rolex
I'm sorry that I had to make your like count 70.
Very excited for Tiger TGV to get his own show. Great video as always !!
He should be named Tiger-GV. You're welcome.
Mark's comments regarding wanting to experience different things if you have the means and collecting being a lifelong journey are absolutely spot on!! Let's all enjoy this madness!!
I Agree
I have another snobbery: the water resistance snob. Not getting anything with less than ISO certified 200m because they work outside during rainy weather from time to time 😅
Yes, absolutely. I miss the SKX as much as the next guy but the people who were losing their minds because the new “5KXs” only had 100 m of water resistance made me chuckle.
You can add screw down crowns to that list. People are under the assumption the crown adds to the water resistance.
@@brianmccord7387 SKX007 , i love it .
@Bob_Smith19 I'm still a fan of screw down crown on watches that aren't divers especially if they dont have crown guards because it protects it from bumps
@@Bob_Smith19 "People are under the assumption the crown adds to the water resistance."
How would they be wrong for thinking a screw down o-ring crown adds to water resistance?
“I took it apart in my brain” - gotta love Marc
Loved this discussion! I think that smartwatch snobs just aren't "watch people" but are simply gadget people. The person that has a smartwatch collection will also have like six tablets and smart everything in their house too. Don't think there's a way for people like that to convert to traditional watches honestly.
Interesting observation
Exactly... Smart watches are really watches anyway. And, who needs to know their heart rate at any time of the day? I look at it like this - you're either alive or you aren't.
Would you believe Alex. I converted! I was gadget mad, latest phone every year, latest tablet, latest laptop, latest smartwatch, latest earbuds. What changed for me was the obsolescence. Everything I bought eventually became obsolete and I just stopped. My phone is now 4 years old and working fine. I still have the same smartwatch but I only wear it when I'm on the rowing machine and haven't bought a new computer unless strictly necessary. Then I found watches. They don't become obsolete, I can hand them on to my children. They have history. A Seiko Navitimer that I backpacked around the world with, a Casio G-Shock that I climbed the Fox Glacier and Mount Tasman with, a Cartier Tank I wore when I got married. You can't get memories like that from an electronic gadget. However you're right. I don't think there are many people who will change.
@@Jimmy_Creamyou sound like someone that is afraid of change. Under your thinking people shouldn't wear divers. After all you're either diving or you're not.
@@Jimmy_Cream people with heart conditions might want to know their heart rate. Kind of important for those folks.
Not saying smart watches are the greatest, but they are certainly not the worst & have many uses that may not be readily apparent.
This video has today gotten me to put down my Tudor and pick up my Flightmaster.
There are so many watches I own that get a bad rep online (and online only - because nobody would ever say these things in person), because I haven’t bought the “correct” choice.
Apparently me receiving a quartz PRX as an anniversary present is basically like being a “watch poor”, when really, I’ll enjoy the second half of my present which is a trip back to Japan. What would I rather own, a £3500 watch? Or a £300 watch I can take away and create incredible memories (and will be the watch I am wearing when I propose there).
I know what I’d rather have, anyway.
Snobbery is not in having preferences (affordable, expensive, quartz, mechanica, etc). The snobbery comes in with your attitude towards those that don’t follow your lead. If you look down on the other side…. Hello Mr. Snob!
This is the best comment here
the tiger animation was hillarious. you just could have only used the other cameras. but no. you do it the right way. can't stop laughing
Great Video, you guys bounce off each other so well. Nothing better than having a pick up and go Quartz in the collection.
Or 5 ..
thanks for your kind words @"my" country, germany! all the best from berlin🙋♂️
The end with the tiger killed me. Thanks for making my day happier!
I qualify as the "affordable watch snob" . It's not that I don't admire expensive watches; it's just that there is a point beyond which one isn't paying for the watch but rather paying for the name.
One of your best videos!
Same. Also excellent name!!
I recall buying the 38MM Islander Pepsi (1st generation 4 years ago).
I wore it a few times, then gave it my brother as a gift. He wears it everytime I see him. It truly gives him great joy. It still glistens in the sunlight when I see it. Truely inspiring.
Great seeing you teamed up again. Always insightful and entertaining
I love my Grand Seiko GMT quartz. It has plenty of soul because it was an engagement gift from my wife. 🥰
F'in dead with the tiger cartoon at the end. 😂😂
Happy to hear these words about us Germans from you two lovely people! I am born in the last few months of the 70s and we are indeed a completely different people now, a fact which a lot of people from around the world don't always acknowledge. Even my parents were born after the war. Also, with Italian roots, it's got to be said that the Italians weren't exactly holding back in their partnership with Germany before WW2, only that they didn't get any of the bad rep from it
Ya, I know some people from Germany. The recent generations have learned from their mistakes. Meanwhile, we Americans are doing our best to forget all the sins of our past.
I do have to say that I'm not currently a fan of Russian watches. I don't support what they are doing right now!
@@benjaminbarrera214 I'd say the generation right after the ones who went astray learnt from it, even most of the ones before. If you've read that book "The Wave", you'll know that it can happen anywhere. Human nature, unfortunately. There have been some uncomfortable moments in the last 3 years that brought back some of this mass group-think in a lot of places, pretty ugly to see that.
Cartier gets away with quartz like a king
Cannot beat a good TGV and Mark conversation… Love it!! Keep up the great content ❤!! BMJ ENGLAND 🏴
It almost moved me to tears to hear your views on the Germans. Being a child of the 70s as well, I'm so aware of our past and it feels good to be seen as nice people today, especially by Jewish. Greetings from the Black Forest.
I really enjoyed this show. You guys have a great presentational relationship. You’ve exposed the internalized preoccupations of thousands of collectors and done it with great humor and good graces. Bravo!
When you appreciate watches, you can find a Casio duro and say what a amazing watch and tremendous value, You will wear it proudly and actually be able to talk about its features. I dont dive 1000M dives but I can also wear my Sinn U1 T-SDR for everyday wear and if I feel like a night out on th town, I can wear my Rolex 16710 Coke dial and feel amazing just as I do when I wear my Casio. It is all about appreciating the engineering, design and functionality of a time piece. People that criticize a watch based on visuals, price and or because they dont find value, are best keeping their feelings to themselves. There are plenty of watches to fit individual tastes. Great video as always gents!
Well said. 👍
You two are great guys! Humble, down-to-earth, trustworthy. Thanks for your work!
You guys forgot the "date window snob". Great discussion and the tiger at the end was so adorable.
I‘ve been the affordable only collector snob so far. Not just for the reason mentioned that I feel I can get a lot more fun from like 10-20 different cool affordable watches instead of one luxury watch, but also because I‘m afraid that I will not connect with the watch and then would have to resell it as used, lose a lot of money, etc. Maybe I need to borrow a luxury watch from somewhere to test it so to speak, but I don‘t even know where you could do that except for friends, etc.
I don't think you are a snob. I think you like watches, but you don't have $10,000 worth of liking for them. That doesn't make you a snob at all, but criticizing people who like expensive watches will.
I have no issues with ppl who only collect affordable watches, it's entirely your choice.
But I absolutely despise those who criticise other ppl who buy more expensive watches.
It doesn't even have to be about Swiss watches, as I've seen these morons on videos about G-Shocks.
Luxury I think is defined by the individual. G-shocks came out in 1983. They were simply a luxury I could not afford so I had lower priced Casios which were fantastic in their own right, It was not until 2013 that I felt I could afford the luxury of a G-shock. Lol. Now I have a slew of em.
Great video guys! Regarding point number 5 there is a whole generation of people that have grown up with a smartphone/smartwatch and have never known a world without the internet and smart electronics nor do they have any knowledge about traditional watches. Yes there are probably a portion of Apple Watch fanatics that refuse to consider anything else but I think that is a small percent. My own experience after not wearing a watch for 20 years and purchasing an Apple Watch has lead me back into traditional watches and learning about different movements and all the other watch nerd things. I now have a small collection of micro brands, house brands (Islander!), Seiko, Citizen, and one Grand Seiko. So thank you Apple for getting me back into wearing *real* watches! 😛
The two best watch guys on the Tube! You should play in a movie together. I always enjoy your videos and happily wear my new “Rangemaster”.
Great discussion. The watch I covet most is a Casio I don’t have. It belonged to my father, who died when I was 11 years old. I’m 54 now. I have expensive, and not so expensive, watches. That one, which got lost at my family home decades ago, is one I would cherish. It would be priceless to me.
Lovely video! I was definitely guilty of the quartz snobbery. Then I remembered how fun Casio watches can be and how cool Grand Seiko quartz watches are.
I am a big casio fan , especially the G shock range , but also a big seiko prospex fan .
But the Grand Seiko is my Grail watch .
“It’s not the watch that makes the man” so well said. $100 or $100,000 watch, everyone has 24 hours a day, no more, no less. Enjoy wearing the watches, enjoy Urban Gentry and Mark’s videos. That’s life 🎉.
That's what a poor person would say.
It’s actually 23 hours 56 minutes but that’s just Earth being nice to our slower timekeepers 🤣
@@3rayallenaw, you compensating for something big guy?
@@3rayallenthat's what an uncredulous, anobby asshole would say
The Tiger at the end of the video was great that was so funny almost fell out my chair laughing. You and Marc are always great to watch work together always a good time watching.
I'm glad you covered the affordable watches only snobs, because they often play the victim card when it comes to so many watch discussions and videos.
These types of snobs don't only exist within the watch community, I've seen their kind on high end office chair videos too.
Rather than accepting that they can't afford something, they'll use words like "overpriced, overhyped and overrated" to fuel their own personal inability to buy a certain product.
I can't afford watches from brands like AP, VC and Patek Phillipe, but I would never hate on any of their watches because of that.
You two are the best. Thank you for making the effort and sharing your thoughts and stories.
I am new to watch collecting and there is part of me that hates majority of quartz watches as I grew up with a few cheap quartz because that was all I knew back then. I started to collect vintage mechanical watches because the novelty of gears and spring driven movements and I like the historical aspect of vintage stuffs. I decided to look for a quartz to set my mechanical watches. I've done my researches and I decided that it has to be a high quality quartz movement. I finally bought a broken Seiko kinetic, serviced it, replaced the broken IC and it was worth it. Kinetic watches are like automatics but they are quartz and uses electrical energy from wrist movements so there is an interaction and connection just like mechanical watches plus the quartz accuracy. I am in a honeymoon phase with my Seiko kinetic.
The ‘it doesn’t have a screw down crown’ or ‘this 42mm watch is to small’ snobs are always fun
It's so true that no one is looking at people's watches, except for maybe that rare person who's really into them. Never buy a watch thinking that you're going to have everyone fawning over it and thinking you're a cooler/better/richer person because of it. You really have to wear something that you really get a kick out of.
I've been fascinated by watches since I was small, starting with Casios (one had a thermometer on it that blew me away and was a favorite for a long time), and have been wearing a whole range of watches over the decades. One of my prized possessions is a Texas Instruments Model 101 from the '70s during the LED boom which still looks good today. Lately, although I have some fine watches, I get a big kick out of the Seagull 1963, 40mm. It wears really well and keeps time better than more expensive stuff, and just looks cool.
If I would call myself a snob in any way I'd say I'm slightly anti-smart-watch. They don't have much character and they're too ubiquitous, which I feel precisely reflects the persons wearing them. Another one would be anti-dive-watch. I mean, come on, how many of those people dive? I admit they can look cool, but they've flooded the watch market. They're a way to kind of signal an adventurer type, but it's a lot like all those people who drive pick-up trucks yet never haul anything, or Jeeps and never go off-road, or small people in giant SUVs. Oh, and I have a thing against watches from conglomerates. That's simply not healthy consumerism.
I have to say that is the new you TGV. Part Tony, part Tigger. Also, Mark always appreciate your insights - watches are an art medium - it depends what you do with it. Always a great show when you present your views together. Looking forward to more free and unbiased content. As I write this, I look across to the Greenwich Observatory, just on the hill, the home of time and feel a draw beyond just wearing a watch but also to time itself. Good health to you both!
Finally an episode with Mark ! 🙏🏼
I’ve just sold my entire ‘luxury’ watch collection.
I now wear my Seiko Alpinist the most now…a Squale 1521, Studio Underdog and a Tudor Black Bay now.
And I’m very happy with them.
sometimes less is more.
3) This is me, for sure. If I had thousands of dollars to spend on a single watch, I'd still spend only a few hundred. A $200-300 Orient or Citizen watch makes me happy, and if I buy one of those instead of a Submariner or a Seamaster, I can also buy a motorcycle or remodel my dining room.
Always a treat to see you guys together! Great video!
Thanks for the amazing content as always, and have a great week ahead, Sir TGV;)!
Someone may have mentioned it, but one that i find super annoying is the "Why would you buy a microbrand, it's a waste of money / brand history is the only thing the matters" watch snobs.
In general I dislike anyone who puts down another man’s watch choice. Wear what makes you happy! 😎
I was under the weather this morning. So took it slow today and watched this video after breakfast. And it gave me so much energy. I should pay you guys for medical services. (Tiger TGV made me laugh as well 😊)
I don’t consider myself a watch snob. Love my Casio and Seiko just as much as my Omegas for example. Casio for the design and easy to slap on the wrist. Seiko also for the design but also the value for money. My Omegas for the beauty, history and great engineering (I also love Rolex by the way) And my Island watches for the passion that Marc puts into them, and they look brilliant. I wear all of them, depending on my mood or the situation. It’s a passion. Of course if I had more money I would buy more exclusive watches but I wouldn’t be happier. Never bought a watch as an investment but some of them are definitely assets that could be turned into cash if the situation warrants it. You never know.
I can go on about this… great video guys. Loved the Socrates quote!
Wish I lived closer to thank you in person. Fantastic.
I was waiting to see you both together again. My favorite combo. 😁
What an instpired and 'joy-to-watch' session, thanks to both of you! I am of the no-hate live-and-let-live kind. Best, Carlo
I've gone snob proof - CWC G10. Love it too much
Great watch! I’ve also gone the same way but with a CWC diver - because I dive!
@@MarkN67 nice one! That's very cool
My big hitter watch is my IWC Mark 16 not because I'm a pilot but I love it
I'm not a snob. I'm a connoisseur, dammit. 🤣 The two of you are always great on your own as well as together.
yeah, a connoisseur is focused on his own watches; a snob is focused on other people's watches
@@peterpicard4028 That's a pretty astute observation.
I love this balanced outlook on watches. Kudos to you both!
Inverted snobs are quite big too- also we often place our own budget and values in a watch as being the correct budget/value.
“How can anyone spend £8000 on a Rolex DJ/OP when you can get a Christopher Ward sealander for a tenth of that!” (Maybe because the person has the money and wants the OP/DJ and not a CW)
“I would never pay over rrp for a watch”
(I wouldn’t pay over rrp for a Rolex because their rrp is expensive enough but if I really wanted a g shock that was rrp £140, hard to get hold of and was available for £200 I wouldn’t think twice as for my budget £60 is an expense I’m happy to pay. Someone some extra 0s on their bank balance might feel the same way about a few grand over rrp)
Great listen.... Enjoyed immensely.... Keep up the good work... Love the subject...❤
Another fabulous TGV and Marc video ! 😊
That bit with the tiger at the end was GRRREAT!
I've got some Seikos, a Tudor BB58 and a Tissot PRX Powermatic and a G-Shock. I only wear my Apple Watch when I go to the gym or am out on a walk/office commute to better track my steps and heart-rate. I'm starting to travel a bit ore now, so I'm thinking of picking up a microbrand GMT, but I have always had a fascination with mechanisms and machinery, so I stick to automatics when possible.
Can't say I am a watch snob. Have a little of everything in my humble collection. If you like it, wear it, wear it proudly. Enjoy it. Who cares what anyone else thinks. The only thing I hate is "fake watches" for various reasons and like you guys not a fan either of smart watches (the closest thing to a smart watch I own is an Alpina HSW, which is just a cool, affordable watch and a Garmin Fenix 6xl for athletics). Another great video. Love you guys!!! Cheers, Markus Be.
This duo is more than the sum of its parts
The perfect accompaniment to todays cardio, thank you to you both. O&U
You guys are great, love the camera failure and the Cheeto lion in place of TVG, keep up the good work. Not taking yourselves to seriously makes me think you’re like us.
Quartz watches brings me back to my childhood and the early 90s to me it connects me to how we imagined the future would look like.
I'm with Marc, I agree that your videos are brilliant, well researched and really well edited. I'd love to see a sort of behind the scenes video showing some of the filming and editing process.
The whole video was great, but the last 3 minutes were the cherry on top 😂
Excellent video from yourself and Marc TGV! It gave me a smile as I am wearing my Mission Impossible DW-290 1VS as I watch this! I have gone through various stages of most of these snobberies and grew out of them! Lol. Except for one. I don't like watches where I have to work out what time it is when I look at it. As the meme goes "Ain't nobody got time for that!“ 😂 I have everything from Casio to Seiko, Orient, Hamilton to one Omega and even one Grand Seiko Spring drive. I even have a few Chinese watches which are great quality and amazing value with good movements including one with a real Sellita movement! So, I'm definitely not a snob except for that one thing! Btw, you were right. It's difficult to take off the Mission Impossible. It's just so cool! The tiger is great. You should do it more often!!
I do hope your replacement has had his frosties. Great vid TGV
Sunday suddenly got better, TGV noti came in clutch
I used to be a Swiss-watch-only guy till I stopped earning as much money as before. It was a blessing in disguise as I began to appreciate more affordable non-Swiss brands.
Awesome video and content. You two are meant to work together. Great chemistry and insight. As a result of this discussion, I am committed to being more open-minded.
Hey Tristano,
Great bit of humor at the end :))
I appreciate the effort you put into producing this videos. That low battery icon at 31:20 was a great touch 😅
O&U!
Another great video and collaboration. F me running the TGV 3000 absolutely cracked me up. 🤣🤣 cheers mate
Ya know what, You made me laugh out loud with how you edited the cartoon character in your place! Genius TGV, and fun. Thanks for this video, guys! Great content once again.
A lot of fun. Thank you both!
Like that Ti-Ger Virtual (TGV) at the end
Spotted another! The ‘yeah, well I’ve made/designed/consulted on XYZ watch’ snob 🤣
I always enjoy your videos TGV none more so than the collaboration type with Mark . You make a great team .
I enjoy these videos you two do a lot. I have become a watch enthusiast in the last 10 years or so probably due to my retirement. It is definitely a journey. Casio got me into watches as that's what my Dad considered a high value watch when I was coming of age. I remember us both wanting a G-shock when they came out. I was a soldier and my civilian career was in law enforcement so watches suited to those endeavors were always interesting to me. I have started to expand in what interest me watch wise. I guess it can be different for each person. I kind of just like what I like and look for that in watches that are not ridiculously expensive. they are all cool to look at though.
love the CGI TGV at the end! Amazing
"I bought my first Rolex"... that line is funny when you are talking watch soul. Machine assembled mechanical vs quartz machine assembled. Soul is from the artisan making it, be it cars, clothing, jewelry etc. Each to their own though.
Yes, we really do say we bought our first Seiko
I literally just bought my first Seiko. It’s the Arnie and I love it.
TGV, this video was one of the goodones lol you as a cartoon, and Marc's dad jokes. Well done to you both 😊🙏
Hugo M is my role model.
Such a fan of your channel. My grail is a Rolex stainless sub, which my dad gave me as an heirloom for my 40th birthday. which I think he bought for himself circa 1990 for his own 40th. It is my only watch right this moment. I am buying a Seiko 5 Sport because I feel silly going to work in a Rolls Royce when we all actually drive corollas. Always interesting in hearing the best new options from 200-600 usd. I am saving up for an Island watch because he is indeed a cool dood. Cheers gents.
The quartz thing always makes me laugh, some how people claim a spring and a bunch of gears has more soul than a piece quartz from the earth that happens to actually vibrate to give us time?!
Well, when you put it that way! lol
I agree with you 100%. For me, design has sould, not a movement.
Sorry to burst your bubble but quartz crystals for watch movements are laboratory grown. That said, I've got nothing against quartz watches.
@finesse49 I'm well aware, just trying to make a point, Grand seiko grows and ages the crystals them selves, it still makes more sense than claiming a coiled spring has more 'soul'
And solar powered quartz movements are using light energy from the sun to stay powered.
I spent 2k on a Casio MR-G. And its incredible. The finish, the look. Its absolutely luxury quality. And the samurai inspired design was irresistible for me
MR-G watches are incredible.
Spending that much on a Casio blows my mind more than people that find out how much some of my Pateks cost but I’m sincerely happy for you.
I’d love to c high resolution pics, freaking TH-cam!
@@ryanjofre yea man I'm out here living on the edge. If you have plural pateks .2k is a drop in the bucket. The MRGa are completely hand built hand polished . They use traditional Japanese patterns and color pallets. You need to see one in person. And it links to an app and auto sets itself which is extremely cool to watch . And it does function checks. If you're at all into gadgets then it's a must have
That CG had me rolling. 🤣You should throw that in more often.
I had the snobbery "only power reserve >60h is good enough" for new watches until 2 years ago. Since then I had to trouble shoot and fix some poor ETA 2824 clones and an ETA 2824 which I stuffed up myself. Today I'm great admirer of this caliber, I just bought a Vulcain Nautique and I'm super happy. I you have a couple of watches, power reserve is not a major deal anymore.
I know someone who thinks anything not swiss is not quality, and has nothing but bad things to say about seiko. Even though they do not own a seiko and have not done their due diligence when it comes to their vast history and importance in the industry.
Great video as always!
The watch doesn't make the man, tell the snob watch shops that!!! Brilliant video, thanks guys.
I was very happy when i bought my first Seiko, and happy and proud to tell others that it is a Seiko! Fast forward i now own 6.
27:26 they're talking about all those SJWs who vote blue and hate Trump and think PB&J sandwiches are racially divisive. You guys make the best watch videos! KEEP DOING IT! :D
Wrong video bud, take that shit back to the rally.
Watch Snob, my nephew, i bought 2 rolex watches in 1986 to commemorate my company doing 2 million dollars in sales. I didn't get the box and paperwork from my Jeweler and i got a great deal. Today my nephew looked down on them because his rolex he purchased has box and paperwork and mine dont. 😂
27:25: Beautifully put, Marc.
*My* pet peeve, snobbery-wise? The whole "true" GMT thing. Can we just simply categorize these watches as either "traveler" and "caller/office" GMTs? (Also: points to TGV for the "creative" Camera-3 sub.)
Who knew the T in TGV actually stands for Tiger!?
Agree with a lot of the points raised. At 9:51 Marc articulated it perfectly: if you like it, who cares? That's something I'm actively trying to keep front of mind as I go on my own learning/collecting journey. (Typed as i look down at my Casio CA-53w 😂)
As always another great video. I guess I really don't like the "watch brokers" you see on line who only pimp the really expensive 1% .
I have always prided myself in appreciating any watch. I am no one to judge what someone else uses to mark the time.
Luckily alot of those guys went bankrupt when the crypto market crashed.
Gotta be talking about Adrian and the “about effing time” podcast at the end 😂
Casio quartz has more soul than half the Swiss watch industry.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 More class too! It's been used in Space more too, sorry Speedy! Great comment, thank you.
Best regards,
TGV
And some great design. Too bad the Swiss didn’t embrace quartz design!
@@theurbangentrySorry I can’t agree with you there. I have a Casio casioak and I absolutely hate it. I would take a pagani design quartz chronograph over it any day.
My Casio Oceanus s100 never leaves the wrist .
Not yet to the highest presentation-metal bezel and solar.
I wanted a quartz I could leave in my gym bag so I wouldn't have to worry about servicing or setting the time. I originally got a Timex Pepsi that looked fine, but the fake bezel & misalignment bothered me too much. I decided to order a Long Island quartz diver & I'm super excited for it to get delivered. It was a fair price for the features and something I will enjoy everytime I put it on. Lesson learned: cry once, buy once!
Is that the AmeriQuartz? The one with the funny dial? I wanted it but the dial was a dealbreaker!
It's the Ameriquartz dive with the black dial. I didn't notice anything unusual about it aside from it being a flatter black finish. Is this the one you're referring to?
@@elmooko69 YES that's the one, but not that there's anything WRONG with the dial, I just don't like the way it looks. I think it's meant to be an SKX173 and I never liked that dial.
There are definitely smartwatch collectors! I had a 7 smartwatch collection before I ever owned any mechanical or quartz watch. It was the smartwatches that eventually got me into more "traditional" watches.
You found the light at the end, Im proud of you.
@bertholdbach4959 Haha! I still own and use my Pebble Time Smartwatch regularly, something about it just feels good. I definitely wear quartz and mechanical ones more often though!
Smartwatches from phone companies are kind of a gimmick in my opinion, because they become obsolete every year with the new iterations that are replacing the older models each year. However, Garmin has some amazing “smartwatches” though
Aardman would be proud! Honesty too! Keep up the good work!