Great review Tim. You covered it all in a nice concise way. I'm SO curious now to get into the SL2 now (whenever it gets released here in Taiwan). Especially how you compared it to the Peg41. We will have alot to talk about on both of these.
Thanks! Yeah was pleased with how this one came out. As it was, I had 2 goes at it as had forgotten to press "Record" first time duh but maybe a dry run is a way forward as can then remember the key points! One day I might script it but the few time have tried in vids, it came really "wooden". Due to injury niggles, wasn't able to run in the SL2 as much as I would like before a review but with some shoes I feel I can formulate some hopefully useful thoughts a lot quicker than others. For instance with the Novablast 4 I must have done almost 50 miles trying to work out why you found the 3 so different and still didn't! Hopefully you will be able to get hold a pair of these SL2 soon as am sure you will have extra insight I probably missed. Got to think adidas listened to the feedback on this one as in simple terms they went from a very firm to a rather soft shoe whilst largely retaining the essence of a simple lightweight daily trainer with no "go faster" tech bar well bar the foams of course and, for sure, they make most of the difference these days one feels. I wonder also if this points the way to an overall softening of their race shoes. The Peg 41 is a little odd as even on a longish walk last night they felt very close to the ground through my toes despite supposedly a few more mm in the stack. In that sense it was "familiar" to other Pegs but also the Puma Velocity Nitro 3.
@@TimGrose Ya, I’ve been thinking a lot about how much Adidas is “softening” out their overall running line. It’s odd. Hair when I’m starting to favor firmer shoes again! Also… I agree on the Peg41…. It feels oddly low to the ground. I love it… but it doesn’t make sense given it atrial has more foam than the 40…. By 4mm.
@@SagasuRunning Is the Sen 10 any "softer" to the 8 or 9? Weird sizing options with the 10 as it goes US 13.5 to US 14.5 without the US 14 but never seen any of them "in stock" anyway. When we do expect the Adios 9 or Adios Pro 4? That will surely be the test of our theory here. On the other hand perhaps they decided offering a brick in the SL wasn't good for sales :)
@@TimGrose The TS10 is a touch softer, but not a huge difference. I’m expecting rheumatoid arthritis AP4 and A9 in time for Berlin. Around when the Evo 1 launched last year….
perfect review...I absolutely love these shoes , I chose them because the velocity nitro 3 by puma was too narrow for me. The only thing I can say about this shoe is the sensation on the ankle like the padding is bit high and quite annoy me ...but we will see with milage how it will go....but good job Adidas this is really a great shoe, I have wide feet and no problem for me perfect space on the toe box..and true to size.
@@bev9708 yeah the underlying theme of my video is that the SL2 is good for what it is but I just don't think it is a shoe that I would want to reach for every time I wanted to get some solid base miles in especially if you like a bit of "support" and/or "structure". The "SL" means it just wants you to "go". Never had a Triumph but from what I understand it is that supportive, structured type shoe.
Adidas had it at $130 and with the discount I was able to get it at $97 out the door. Can't wait to try it. I'm glad you said it compliments the superblast as those are my normal shoes. Love them tons, but was looking for something a little quicker as well.
Ah I don't actually have the Superblast (sore point ASICS don't do their best shoes in a UK 13/US 14). That said I have tried all 4 versions of Novablast and certainly the SL2 offers a somewhat different experience to those. Be interesting to see how you find them.
Great review as always love listening to these before bed with some herbal tea. I think I’m probably in the 5% of the population that wanted these to remain firm because they are far more stable for me, as a tend to over pronate a bit. But if the 2nd version is better for 95% of the population I’m all here for that.
Ah where in the world are you as I normally set my uploads, as this one, for 0700 UK time? Yes good point about the "stability" of v1. That was largely why I made the point that the firmer Boston 12 might be better if you have stability concerns. I also found in v1 that the toebox was a bit shallow and sort of felt was crushing my big toe a bit. I guess sometimes you give a shoe a go and just can't get on with it but doesn't mean won't work for others.
Good to see Adidas creating a premium do-it-all shoe at an affordable price. Hopefully other manufacturers will follow suit (narrators voice: they didn't).
I probably would not describe the SL2 as "premium" but I think it is good as a relatively cheap lightweight neutral general trainer with a soft ride. That isn't necessarily a shoe I would want to use for every run and may well not suit some runners for any runs.
Yeah I have for instance done a lot of miles in the Velocity Nitro 3 which I picked up for the exact same price with indeed the same RRP as the SL2. It's a bit heavier, firmer but has a bit more "support". So just different. Remains to be seen for me if say the Pegasus 41 offers another alternative but still at an "affordable" if slightly higher RRP.
Nice review of the Adizero SL2. I have about 20 miles on my pair and it’s quickly becoming my favorite daily trainer. The first run out of the box was almost chaotic given how soft and bouncy the midsole was. After a few runs now, the shoe has a natural running feel and is refreshing for a simple shoe to be so much “fun” to run in where shoe tech is king. I’ve done some speed work around 6:50-7:30/mi and easier paces (8:00-8:30/mi) and the shoe responds well at all paces. The pace changes are effortless in this shoe. Overall, it’s an absolute winner so far and has lived up to the hype.
@@chapchappington2475 Yes, TTS for me. I have a normal width foot. It fits slightly shorter than the Adios 8, but a little more volume in the forefoot. Great lockdown for me.
Good to hear it is working for you. Out of interest what had you otherwise been using for "daily" training? As I alluded to in the video I just think it might be a too bit neutral and "fast" for literally "every day" training for all runners but if you want such a shoe for this ought to work well. Guess will also need to see how it holds after considerable miles. Haven't seen anybody with big mileage in them as yet which isn't surprising given how new they are to the market.
@@TimGrose I had been rotating between the Adios 8 and Novablast 3 for my daily miles with the Adios 8 being the primary of the two. I like the lower to the ground non-plated shoe as a daily option. I had the New Balance Rebel v3 as my daily trainer before the Adios 8 and Novablast 3. The SL2 is a nice balance between the Adios 8 and Novablast 3. I also picked up the Supernova Rise for my long runs and easy/recovery efforts.
@@TimGrose - Currently running four times a week in training for a fourth HM. Adios 8 for easy and intervals, Adios Pro 3 for pace and long run. Got the AP3 when on sale in January. Intended to use some Vaporfly 2 (another sale purchase) for my next race but am liking the AP3, not the worst problem to have!
@@suranperera4620 Good combination for sure. For my boat feel, the AP3 is just a bit heavier than the Vaporflys and the v1 still remains my favourite one to race in. Done some decent sessions in the AP3 and find it one of the better ones for longish cruisy runs as well. With the Adios 8 feel need to be running at a decent tempo to justify using it which I guess is the real point of it.
@@TimGrose - Thanks Tim - appreciate the replies. On gut feel, likely the Vaporfly 2 for the next race. Still finding my way with HM training and nutrition - hoping for some progression!
I don't think I have enough miles yet on my Adios 8 to break them in, but I'm going to give them my "use one shoe for every run during the week" test soon.
Loving mine at the moment, complements my Adios, Boston and Takumi Sen line-up (never had the Pro!). Sidenote Tim - any plans for an update to the immensely valuable and interesting parkrun rankings?!?
As it happens I had though now we are halfway through the year could be a good window to look at a parkrun update. I was going to do one early on the year then the statsgate thing kicked off and thought best to hold back until was clearer if we can even still use the data. Fortunately we can. Good on the SL2. I have had to park mine for a bit due to some foot issues and the relative lack of support.
Just had a look at these. Maybe fortunately my size has sold out at least on adidas UK. If they are 290g in the standard UK 8.5 going to likely top 400g in a UK 13.5. That was the weight that the Prime X2 Strung came in for me so kind of feel I don't need another 400g shoe as that was disappointing and not just for the weight but the fit was odd with a shallow toebox.
Thanks for the review! The SL2 is a daily trainer option I'm looking at together with the Peg 41 and the Supernova Rise to possibly retire my Triumph 20/Peg 39 combo. Did I understand correctly that the SL2 would be better suited for tempo training, maybe some intervals, and not for everyday easy runs? My only reference from Adidas are the AP3, but that's a completely different type of shoe.
I would say from what have seen (as I don't have every shoe going!) that the Supernova Rise is a similar type of shoe to a Triumph or Pegasus in being more of a "traditional" daily trainer. Obviously the Peg 41 is going to be most similar to a Peg 39 and I can confirm that as I have both. The SL2 I would categorise more as a tempo or lightweight daily trainer with the Speed 4, Mach 6, Rebel v4 also being in that category for me. Out of interest then what sort of runs do you do in a Triumph than might otherwise reach for the Pegs? That all said think the SL2 would offer you something quite different unless you already have one of the "tempo" ones I mentioned.
@@TimGrose I haven't been running that long so I got started on the Peg (38/39) as my do-it-all daily trainer and it's a true workhorse! I got the T20 when I was looking for something a bit more comfortable for long, slow runs (that forefoot Air Zoom unit was beginning to annoy me a bit), but I can use them for pretty much everything since I'm not that fast (although even I can tell it's not built for speed). Currently, I'm using the T20 for my easy runs and alternating with the Peg 39 for when I'm picking up the pace a bit more (tempo, intervals), partly to rotate between the shoes, partly because the Peg is lighter, and I do enjoy that ground feel in shorter runs. Both shoes are in the 700k territory so I'm looking at alternatives for a new daily trainer. I don't have a tempo shoe per se.
@@OdanUrr87 yeah probably time to replace those ones. I suspect you will find a new shoe feels a lot more bouncy and cushioned. Good idea to rotate shoes - even fairly similar ones. That is basically what I do. Personally I would also look at the Endorphin Speed 4 if want a "faster" shoe but one I feel it has more "structure" than the SL2 albeit more expensive. Be interesting to see how SL2 usage pans out when runners have really decided how often they want to use them and for what.
Have 100 miles on the shoe now and it is my daily. It is versatile nimble and durable. Can do light trails as well (if that's your flavor). The upper took ~30 miles to break-in, after which there are no more rubbing issues (heel or ankle). But the break-in is something to consider.
Ah that's good to hear. Have to admit I had to "park" my SL2 after my test runs due to a foot injury as I felt the SL2 was not giving me any support there and so potentially making things worse. In terms of "break in" did the actual midsole feeling change at all ? They certainly felt relatively "soft" to me.
@@TimGrose I agree, the shoe does not really provide any guidance. I would say 10 miles is my upper distance for a run. The midsole did change, I feel like the lightstrike compressed a little and the LS pro sunk into it. This made the shoe feel more channeled/grounded than new when the layers sat on top of each other. It's kind of like a sandwich where the layers meld together if you let it sit for a bit..
This shoe is great! What an improvement from the first version. The first version felt like you were running on wood. The SL2 is so comfortable underfoot now that they added a full Lightstrike Pro ⚡️in the midsole. Good job Adidas.
Yeah certainly for us that change in the ride feel has made a big difference. Nonetheless interesting (and as I sort of alluded to in the video) to see another comment here that that runner liked the SL as the firm ride made it very stable for them.
A superb disclaimer 👌 Great to hear they feature some woolies style lacing. Keeping it old school 🤣 well done for breaking out the flash to remove the poo pre review. 🤣👍
I did think that writing it out on screen and reading it out might appeal more to the lawyers but I felt I did make the key point of saying I bought the shoes with my own money and where from and with what discount. I also don't hide where I run but if I run the same place twice of late it is not common. I also felt I needed to simulate a towpath so headed off to Ranmore to run on the sort of terrain I see in your videos. In this occasion some mud on heels would perhaps have been nicer than the stuff had to remove. I did though conclude that whilst the SL2 was good for a bit of ShoeTuber try out, I probably would not reach for the SL2 for a 100 miler.
Hey Tim, nice review. You also felt it much more softer in the front.... was it the first run for you as well? I ran other miles on it after the first impressions review, and some tempo runs, and it feels good for tempo runs. Even in the warm up it was not that bad feeling. The only downside is the upper, very warm upper, probably I need to change my socks
Have to admit I am struggling with some injuries at the moment so my runs in the SL2 weren't as far or indeed as fast as normal so can't say for sure how it would feel on tempo runs but what you say is exactly how I thought they would likely perform for me on runs where going for it harder than everyday easy/steady pace. With the softer feel at front, I largely meant I could feel the Lightstrike Pro full stop. I don't tend to land on my heels too much but the overall feeling was soft for sure.
As for the warm upper I always wear thin socks. Also my first run in the SL2 was when had just back from a far warmer Portugal. As such even though was about 15 deg C I had to put arm warmers on! Can see what you mean that might not be too breathable but equally I suspect I won't want to use the SL2 for much more than an hour which is the typical length of my general "daily" non session easyish runs.
@@InTheGrooove First question is what type of “9”. If you mean other adidas shoes you have a 9 then a 9.5 here is probably wise as I feel they do run slightly shorter than some other adidas shoes I have. If you are say a UK 9 in Nike or Saucony then the equivalent adidas UK size is 9.5 so you may even need a UK 10 in that case.
I do like softer shoes. The SL2 does sound like a good easy run option and the low cost is appealing. I prefer this type of shoe to have no plate, so it ticks that box too. My Saucony Ride 15s have almost had it and have been pretty firm, which I’m not a fan of. Think I may well give this a go.
Heard nothing but positive reviews about this shoe. Might really have to check it out, as it' s very fairly priced as well. I do have the Rebel 4 and the Mach 6 though, and probably don' t really need another one in that category. 13:50 Daisy seems to be enjoying it as well:)
In hindsight I probably did not need the Rebel v4 or Mach 6 but was good to try them and feel sure will give them a few more goes. As mentioned, both offer a different experience to the SL2. I did do a bit of firm dry trail running in the SL2 (if not a towpath LOL) and "sort of" worked but perhaps a bit too "neutral" and so hence slightly unstable on less than a perfect surface. Was also thinking perhaps not the shoe to take out for a 100 miler or some other "mad" event!
Thank you for the review, this shoe sounds promising. About the Boston 12 comparison: I found it much wider than usual for Adidas, so I'm not sure if that's the ideal comparison. I wonder if this one has better width (especially in the toebox) compared to the Takumi Sen?
I've only got the Takumi Sen 9 but I think the 10 fits fairly similar from what I can recall seeing. So in order of width of these then from narrowest would say is Takumi Sen, SL2, Boston 12. I largely mentioned the Boston 12 as it is obviously another adizero shoe and has been their default lightweight (well just about these days) general trainer in the line for some years now.
Just seeing the inner heel padding makes me really want to try this. All the Adizero line for the last few years have all been terrible for heel lift. Hope this is a move by them to connect that heel padding strips around the back to stop heel lift on the newer Adizero shoes coming out this year.
Certainly some padding there. This hasn’t been an issue for me largely because I have to pull in the laces so much for my rather narrow feet that my feet aren’t then going anywhere but can see what you mean in shoes like the Adios Pro 3.
Hi Tim, thanks for the review, I came across your channel looking for options for shoes for the Police opposition, to use them both in the agility circuit and in the 1000, since they don't allow you to change shoes... I have to look for some with good grip and then for the track that are comfortable for me, I was among Adizero SL2, the Pegasus 41, and finally as an option the Adios 8, especially because of the continental sole... I don't know your opinion as an expert on this? . Thank you
Interesting use case. Of those three which I all have, I would probably opt for the Adios 8. It is not as soft as the SL2 but I would say it is the fastest of those three. I always found it decent for some off road runs so hence the grip should be decent and you have a bit of ground feel which should help for circuits. SL2 might feel a bit too soft generally unless you really like that. I like the Pegasus 41 a lot and the grip is fine but not the obvious choice for a fast 1000.
It is a logical shoe to consider as a training partner to those. Think Boston 12 is just a shoe that does not scale that well for my boat feet. The other adidas option is all these Supernova variants. More of a plusher type of shoe than these ones already mentioned it seems however.
I think anything else would be better than the SL2 in this regard. Although I find them a little heavy in my large UK 13.5, the Boston 12 is certainly more stable. I haven't tried them but suspect the Supernova Rise, being more of a standard daily trainer, is worth checking out. What do you currently use?
@@TimGrose wow, so the sl2 would be the worst Adidas shoe for arxh support??. I usually run in different variants of Ultraboost. All was fine until Ultraboost Cold Ready caused an injury
@@barrydduggan well of the ones have tried in the last year or so which is Adios 7 & 8, Adios Pro 3, Boston 11 & 12, Takumi Sen 9, SL & SL2, Prime X2 Strung, Prime X original. I have just got the Nike Pegasus Trail 5 GORE-TEX and was surprised it has a lot of arch support.
Great review. The previous model is too narrow for my slightly wide feet. I have the Boston 12, and it works well for long runs with marathon pace. I can lock in the pace comfortably. My feet are much smaller than yours, so my pair feel more nimble. Can’t speak for the new SL but agree based on last year’s model that it’s good for daily mileage but I’d prefer to reach for something more structured when going out longer.
I put the original SL on one foot and the SL2 on the other just before I filmed this to remind me. I would say the upper on the SL is "stiffer" whereas the SL2 is relatively thinner so felt had more of a "closer" fit across midfoot. Suspect that saved some weight too. Perhaps if the Boston 12 is working well for you and with your wider feet the SL2 may also be too narrow but as I said in the video it is very hard for somebody else to say for sure how might work for somebody else.
I love your point of difference, evidence and transparency.... Really loved your and Eddbud's review on SL2, it could sell an extra 10,000 units for Adidas. If we compared the true daily trainer at the USD120-130 point of all brands, Adidas are nearly clear top with the SL2. Great review.
Yeah I certainly think the SL2 is likely to have wider appear than the SL did even if that one did have some fans. I guess, as I tried to convey here, a lot of it comes down to what you want in a "daily" trainer.
I am one of those folks who found the Boston 12 too narrow at the midfoot, so sadly I’ll be waiting on this one. Adios 8 is a great shoe-I use it for track intervals. And AP3 is my race shoe, so some Adidas does work for me but appears I’m on a line in width.
Ah interesting that the Adios 8 works for you but not the Boston 12 but for seemingly opposite reasons to me. Can't say the Adios 8 is overly narrow but it fits my narrow feet as good as I usually expect with somewhat "odd" feet. So what do you use for your more easier runs?
@@TimGrose I haven’t found the “perfect” easy day shoe, as overly soft shoes (read 1080) just don’t feel great. The Endorphin Speed 3 is comfortable at any pace and I’ve just gotten the Mizuno Neo Vista, which I believe will be a contender. Mind you, as a big dude (~210lbs), it stands to reason weight could be a significant factor.
@@elliotendures I don't think I have ever found that shoe in 40+ years of running. Besides if I did what would I talk about on TH-cam :) That said, he various Endorphin Speed versions is the shoe have used the most for "daily" type runs in recent years. Can't see that Mizuno in my size but keen to hear more reports on it.
@@TimGrose Oddly I have found that particular use case the hardest to solve. For whatever reason, I am trying to avoid running in plated shoes more than half the time but these shoes with the plastic or nylon plates work really well for me. I've just ordered the new Supernova Prima and wonder if that will be a good plodder for me.
😊thanks, for ya video Tim. I'm doing most of my track and speedwork training in all my adios 3's as I stock piled a whole hoard s few years ago😅 I would chuck on the high stack racers to save calfs sometimes and if doing very long training run but would still prefer to race in an adios 3/4. I did like original sl20 for tow path intervals as you said got good after 50 miles
I used to use the first Boost version of the Adios (effectively the Adios 1 to the current Adios 8) for intervals on things like towpaths and old railways. I found that lower to the ground and now relatively firm ride good for slightly softer firm trails. I did one of my test runs in the SL2 on a firm trail and was OK but did wonder if might be a bit too soft and slightly unstable for that terrain but also felt the foam would tend to feel a little firmer if really going for it which I wasn't!
Have to admit did not try to pull it out! I imagine you ought to be able to as surely is just glued down with "normal" glue. My reservation would be in a "racy" type shoe like this that there may not be enough room and/or you would have to size up for a bit more room to accommodate it.
That's a tricky one. If you were to ask out of all my current shoes what would be my single one it would probably be the Endorphin Speed 4. It would have been the Pegasus Turbo 2 few years ago before it got discontinued. It might be again if the reported new upcoming version is any good. If I wasn't a "dedicated" runner then perhaps I don't really care what is say the "fastest" or "lightest" but what I think looks best, is most versatile for general fitness (including walking) and indeed right now which offers a bit more "support". For the latter reasons, think the Peg 41.
Good you are getting on OK with it. I have had to restrict usage of it myself due to an unrelated Achilles/heel issue and feel I just need a shoe with a bit more "support" right now. Hope to get back into them more when that is hopefully sorted. Out of interest what is the furthest you have been in them and did it work or did you think might have been better in something else?
@@TimGrose Maybe they just work for my use-case… I’m just a fitness runner, I do maybe 6-7 miles per daily. I enjoy the bounce vs typical cushioned shoes which to me feel like they sap energy. I’m also loving my new Deviate Nitro 3s, while my plodding running style in no way requires a carbon plate, the cushion/bounce is fantastic.
@@TimGrose My current rotation is SL2, Deviate Nitro 3, and Triumph. Interestingly, the ride and cushion of SL2 and Deviate feel very similar; the biggest difference so far is the Deviate keeps my foot in place and is more stable, whereas SL2 my feet roll inward a little (I have low arches).
Nice review Tim, thanks. I have a question. The B12's strength is for longer runs 2hrs +, but can it handle the slower paces?? .....6.30/km pace. I know the SL2 can do that better, but Im buying 1 shoe and need something that can go the distance sometimes (not often) for long weekend jogs and maybe 2 races a year (42km). Should I go SL2 and suffer towards the end of a 3hr session or go B12 and suffer when going 6.30km pace?
I think if your main interest is marathons then of those two I would say the B12 even if it is a shoe that I personally was only so so about. It is relatively firmer and so found it quite stable but is a little heavier. It fits a little wider. The SL2 is softer but offers relatively little support and although is more lively for shorter runs think, for longer ones, you may wish had "more" shoe.
@@TimGrose My current shoe is the SL1. Would the B12s firmness be an upgrade/softer?. I cannot take the SL1 to 25/30km. Can the SL2 do that distance comfortably?
@@ZaahirJappie The SL1 I found the firmest then B12 then SL2 softest so you may find the B12 a good compromise. I think with runs of 25K + then "comfortably" is as much related to fitness than the shoe.
@@TimGroseGreat advise, thanks! Is there a noticeable difference at about 25km between the SL2 and B12? Marathon running is not my focus, but long moderately paced runs is. I just need to figure out which experience am I willing to endure....B12 firmness at slow paces or SL2 long run support.
On the possible plus side you are the only other runner who has mentioned that in the comments here or in other SL2 reviews AFAIK. Let us know if it was actually a problem on a run.
@@TimGrose I have put about 20 miles in the ankle area on the run., But I did have some issues with heel rub on my first 2 runs. This went away as the shoe softened up but I would definitely wear higher/thicker socks. Also I like the new tongue a lot. The whole upper reminds me slightly of the adios 6.
What are people saying for the sizing of the SL2? I'm an 8.5 in both the Adios Pro 3 and the Takumi Sen 10, but an 8 in the Boston 12 - should I size up slightly and get the 8.5 if this is quite a narrow shoe?
As you seem to have a relatively wider foot I would go with the 8.5 as for me the Boston 12 is the widest. I have same size in all 4 (well Sen 9 as not got the 10) but got UK 13.5/US 14
Thanks! Yeah think these SL2 will be too narrow for you if you find the Rebel v4 good for width. BTW had to laugh at your Paula Radcliffe comment on Five Miles Easy.
@@runzization I have got UK 13.5 in both which is my normal size in both those brands. Don't forget in UK sizes both are 0.5 higher number than say Nike or Saucony but physically are all the same as the US and cm sizes are uniform.
There’s the adistar BYD now too, adidas range is very cluttered. I love the Bostons, and the 12’s are great for what I need, .as you say Tim, it’s whatever you feel works for you….great video as always
Agree adidas do churn out quite a lot of shoes but having just had a look at the BYD (and another commentator mentioned them) then it seems a very different shoe to the SL2. The weight of them in a UK 8.5 is almost the same as what my SL2 in a UK 13.5 for instance and they cost somewhat more. Don't think I will bother with them. Otherwise be keen to get hold of the Adios 9 and Adios Pro 4 when they drop having liked the current versions. I've got the Takumi Sen 9 as well but not the 10 (never seem to have my size) and in real. So yeah there can be a bit of overlap for sure and perhaps, as a result, I haven't used any of them as much as I could have done.Then there is the Supernova Rise (and a few other variants). Bit like the BYD they just seem would be overly heavy for me just as the Prime X2 Strung turned out to be.
Would you recommend to someone who never has tried an adizero shoe before? Have a pair of ultraboost 22 i wear casually but not to run in. Normaly run in Brooks and Saucony
Probably yes unless you have rather wide foot and/or don’t think can wear neutral shoes. I think you may find these are relatively minimalist but equally maybe softer. I suspect somewhat lighter too.
@TimGrose sounds good actually. I have a narrow foot, not quite needing narrow sizing. May pick up a pair to try once I can get below $100. At that point, it's low risk, high reward
The SL 1 was so bad i couldn't run it as it was rock solid 😮i actually removed around a ⅓ of the rear midsole to soften them, it worked but why did they make it so hard?
Yeah it was indeed rather "solid". Good idea to try and chop off bits though! I guess the SL2 is the answer to why they made the original so hard - it wasn't what most of us wanted.
Yes I did take my normal adidas UK size. Indeed if I look at the cm size it is the exact same one that I take across all brands. The other universal measure for me is the US size. At least for my rather large feet adidas UK sizes are numerically 0.5 higher than say Nike or Saucony. With the cm sizes on sizing charts you have to be careful if they mean the cm length of the shoe itself (so the one on the box and/or your label) or your feet. When you say UK 6.5 and 25.5cm what brands is that? I'll have a look at the sizing chart and see if can advise further...
So the cm "heel-toe" ones on www.adidas.co.uk/help/size_charts/men-shoes are meant to be the length of your actual feet. For me in a UK 13.5 is says 30.5 cm and my actual feet are 30.2cm. Unless you like tight fits I would go for the one with a heel to toe measurement at or slightly longer longer than your feet. If you normally get 25.5 "actual" cm shoes then the UK 7.5 must be too big.
SL2 I would say is lighter, softer, fit not as good for me, lot less structure. Bit like I alluded to with the Pegasus 41 both have their place depending on preference and the type of run you are actually doing.
The whole idea of the SL was to offer a cheap light shoe, so even if the 2 is an improvement on foot, it's heading in the wrong direction for price... clearly they have been influenced by the success of the Boston 12, which isn't cheap at all though worth every penny imho!! YES indeed Tim, a shoe's stats is very often significantly different to its feel on foot, not only the drop but especially the weight too strangely, AND yes absolutely depending on how far you run in them too as you point out!! 'Cause the Boston sure feels light to me out there pounding the pavement, even after 30k!!
Wasn't the first SL also £110 when it launched? I know you can pick it up for £75 online, but with any luck we'll see the SL2 discounted down to that level in a few months.
As I recall I got the original SL from the adidas UK website with a huge 30% or so discount so perhaps their only redeeming point for me is that I only "wasted" about £70. This time I couldn't see that I could use my adizero points on them and the off white colourway was not available in my size their so went for Sports Shoes where could use our club's 10% discount. Thinking about clearly adidas realised the SL can't have the mark they were looking for as otherwise hard to see why the SL2 would be so different from a ride point of view. adidas do have issues with their price points because, as mentioned, sounds like the SL2 will soon be able to be picked up for somewhat less still. Still these days if can buy a brand new shoe (as I also did for the Velocity Nitro 3) then I don't feel have overspent as it were.
Adios 8 I found is a bit lighter and a bit firmer and feels a bit closer to the ground. I would say Adios 8 is more like a modern take on a plateless racing flat but the SL2 is more a lightweight daily trainer.
@@TimGrose sorry, should’ve been more clear. I have sl2 already, and ordered adios 8, same size as sl2, but heard adios 8 is a bit long and one should go half size down. Or do they fit similar?
Boston 12 is a strange one. I hate it when I start running.. First hour they are OK but as you keep going and need more help they really become amazing. Every long run when I put them on I think what a terrible upper... Hard midsole... But after a couple of hours running I get home and always think.. "Fxxx Amazing 😂.
I don't think I ever got much past an hour in them. I think the last time I wore them was in the winter and so it was quite cold. As such I think that makes the regular Lightstrike feel that much firmer which was also the case with most of my runs in the original SL. I did notice when was in Portugal recently that the Speed 4 felt softer than it did back home in the UK so maybe the temperature can be a factor in whether a shoe can feel firm or less so. As I mentioned though that they are relatively heavy for a "tempo" type shoe in my size and, as you say, the upper wasn't great but perhaps for opposite reasons to you as I found it quite wide.
@@TimGrose Temperature definitely affects the midsole stiffness/ hardness. I know of a runner or two that actively warm their shoes in winter to improve the 'feel'. There are a few reviews online that recheck durometer (hardness) at different temp. Generally EVA is more affected by temp than the PEBA foams as far as I know. Not sure how the supercritical process and use of nitrogen affects this though.
@@glyndonwakeman7420 yeah good point I had thought of that and indeed last summer got out the SL on a warmish day to see if felt any better. TBH it didn't but at least had a decent enough run which kind of shows sometimes just need to get on with it. It did get out my durometer and "poked" the foams a bit before filming and the numbers did indeed seem to suggest this SL2 is somewhat softer. In this case the difference is "obvious" on foot and one of the problems with durometer readings just of midsole foams is that you can't really factor in how the outsole might effect things so decided to leave out of the video.
As I mentioned, I feel it is a very neutral shoe with no significant arch support or general structure and does want you to "get going" being relatively light. What shoe(s) do you get on with at present? Might be easier to say if I think those are in any way similar.
@@TimGrose Thanks for your answer. The truth is, I'm not sure what kind of shoes suit me. All I know is that I have slightly flat feet, and that every single shoe, in the beginning and until it wears off, hurts my feet. Now I use the nike structure 25. Previously the nike infinity 3, and the adidas supernova with boost. Since I've heard a lot of opinions about stability shoes, I'm thinking they may be doing more harm than good in the end. Do the neutral shoes cover me? I get nike more often, just because it's the only company I can find options in my size. 48.5 EU At least here in europe, nike and adidas give me options in these sizes. I also only do slow to very slow running, the multiple sclerosis I have. That is, I only do easy and slow runs 5 times a week, 8-9 kilometers a day.
@@stratoszervakis1719 ah same size as me then. I would say the SL2 will likely feel somewhat different to those ones largely because it is a lot lighter. I also think there always has to be an element of giving things a go. As you say, you might not actually need stability shoes and whenever I tried something that borders on one, they generally feel hard work. With the SL2, I would say it is the sort of shoe, bit like a race one where I would not use it all the time but in rotation with other ones. A compromise might however be something like the Boston 12 which, as I mentioned, has a bit more to it and is generally a bit firmer and feels quite stable without being designed as a stability shoe per se.
@@TimGrose they are soft it maybe due to my weight ..I'm looking for a soft one best one out there I was told not to get vapour fly ...IV had ASICS ...what you reckon on a soft one in your experience as I'm bigger
@@TimGrose some shoes are designed for heel strikers who have to roll there step forward, and some shoes are designed to forefoot runners. There is a huge difference as to which shoe each should use. Pleas specify which type of runner the shoe being reviewed is best suited for.
@@ronredlin3355 I don't think shoes can be sub divided quite as distinctly as that. What I would say about the SL2 is that is probably one of the most "neutral" shoes have tried in that it offers next to no support for the foot in terms of motion control and/or arch support and is perhaps even slightly "unstable" as a result. There is also no "rocker" or other assitive technology bar the foam as far as I can tell. However it has a soft well cushioned feel throughout. There have been quite a few reviews now on the SL2 and generally every reviewer has like them. Can't believe they all have the same type of gait. If you are really asking if this shoe might suit you please give some examples of shoes you like and you don't and that might help me to advise further.
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Just the review I was looking for! Cheers
Thanks!
Great review Tim. You covered it all in a nice concise way. I'm SO curious now to get into the SL2 now (whenever it gets released here in Taiwan). Especially how you compared it to the Peg41. We will have alot to talk about on both of these.
Thanks! Yeah was pleased with how this one came out. As it was, I had 2 goes at it as had forgotten to press "Record" first time duh but maybe a dry run is a way forward as can then remember the key points! One day I might script it but the few time have tried in vids, it came really "wooden". Due to injury niggles, wasn't able to run in the SL2 as much as I would like before a review but with some shoes I feel I can formulate some hopefully useful thoughts a lot quicker than others. For instance with the Novablast 4 I must have done almost 50 miles trying to work out why you found the 3 so different and still didn't! Hopefully you will be able to get hold a pair of these SL2 soon as am sure you will have extra insight I probably missed. Got to think adidas listened to the feedback on this one as in simple terms they went from a very firm to a rather soft shoe whilst largely retaining the essence of a simple lightweight daily trainer with no "go faster" tech bar well bar the foams of course and, for sure, they make most of the difference these days one feels. I wonder also if this points the way to an overall softening of their race shoes. The Peg 41 is a little odd as even on a longish walk last night they felt very close to the ground through my toes despite supposedly a few more mm in the stack. In that sense it was "familiar" to other Pegs but also the Puma Velocity Nitro 3.
@@TimGrose Ya, I’ve been thinking a lot about how much Adidas is “softening” out their overall running line. It’s odd. Hair when I’m starting to favor firmer shoes again!
Also… I agree on the Peg41…. It feels oddly low to the ground. I love it… but it doesn’t make sense given it atrial has more foam than the 40…. By 4mm.
@@SagasuRunning Is the Sen 10 any "softer" to the 8 or 9? Weird sizing options with the 10 as it goes US 13.5 to US 14.5 without the US 14 but never seen any of them "in stock" anyway. When we do expect the Adios 9 or Adios Pro 4? That will surely be the test of our theory here. On the other hand perhaps they decided offering a brick in the SL wasn't good for sales :)
@@TimGrose The TS10 is a touch softer, but not a huge difference.
I’m expecting rheumatoid arthritis AP4 and A9 in time for Berlin. Around when the Evo 1 launched last year….
Thorough review and covered all of my questions. Thanks Tim.
Ah good! But if you think of anything else please ask. Also a lot of my replies to other comments reiterate some key points.
perfect review...I absolutely love these shoes , I chose them because the velocity nitro 3 by puma was too narrow for me. The only thing I can say about this shoe is the sensation on the ankle like the padding is bit high and quite annoy me ...but we will see with milage how it will go....but good job Adidas this is really a great shoe, I have wide feet and no problem for me perfect space on the toe box..and true to size.
@@Chateauduwab good they are working out for you. Runners with wider feet often seem to struggle in adidas shoes.
Raving reviews of these so far and this might be a contender to replace and eventually retire my beloved Triumph 20 at 800km and counting.
😳 Can't believe these will have the longevity of the T20, nor anywhere near the comfort and energy return for very long runs!!
Ah interesting you equate this to a Triumph? On the face of it, a totally different shoe I would have thought.
@@TimGrose AGREE!!! And I imagine nowhere near the quality either!
@@bev9708 yeah the underlying theme of my video is that the SL2 is good for what it is but I just don't think it is a shoe that I would want to reach for every time I wanted to get some solid base miles in especially if you like a bit of "support" and/or "structure". The "SL" means it just wants you to "go". Never had a Triumph but from what I understand it is that supportive, structured type shoe.
@@TimGrose LOVE my T20 which I've taken for many slow long runs over 30km and still feels as new at almost 800km!!!
Adidas had it at $130 and with the discount I was able to get it at $97 out the door. Can't wait to try it. I'm glad you said it compliments the superblast as those are my normal shoes. Love them tons, but was looking for something a little quicker as well.
Ah I don't actually have the Superblast (sore point ASICS don't do their best shoes in a UK 13/US 14). That said I have tried all 4 versions of Novablast and certainly the SL2 offers a somewhat different experience to those. Be interesting to see how you find them.
@@TimGrose dang that sucks. I'll let ya know how they feel. Good video.
The review was great, and it was better because you didn't edit the cat part. 😃😃
Thanks and ha ha yes that was a Daisy interlude! She sometimes appears in my videos and not always by design :)
Great review as always love listening to these before bed with some herbal tea.
I think I’m probably in the 5% of the population that wanted these to remain firm because they are far more stable for me, as a tend to over pronate a bit.
But if the 2nd version is better for 95% of the population I’m all here for that.
Ah where in the world are you as I normally set my uploads, as this one, for 0700 UK time? Yes good point about the "stability" of v1. That was largely why I made the point that the firmer Boston 12 might be better if you have stability concerns. I also found in v1 that the toebox was a bit shallow and sort of felt was crushing my big toe a bit. I guess sometimes you give a shoe a go and just can't get on with it but doesn't mean won't work for others.
@@TimGrose was up quiet late haha but I’m out here in Northern California. I will def check out the Boston then, thank you.
Good informative review. Thanks Tim.
Thanks!
Good to see Adidas creating a premium do-it-all shoe at an affordable price. Hopefully other manufacturers will follow suit (narrators voice: they didn't).
The sl2 was just released… how can they follow suit ahead of time 😂 give it a minute before you pull out the narrator voice.
I probably would not describe the SL2 as "premium" but I think it is good as a relatively cheap lightweight neutral general trainer with a soft ride. That isn't necessarily a shoe I would want to use for every run and may well not suit some runners for any runs.
Yeah I have for instance done a lot of miles in the Velocity Nitro 3 which I picked up for the exact same price with indeed the same RRP as the SL2. It's a bit heavier, firmer but has a bit more "support". So just different. Remains to be seen for me if say the Pegasus 41 offers another alternative but still at an "affordable" if slightly higher RRP.
Nice review of the Adizero SL2. I have about 20 miles on my pair and it’s quickly becoming my favorite daily trainer. The first run out of the box was almost chaotic given how soft and bouncy the midsole was. After a few runs now, the shoe has a natural running feel and is refreshing for a simple shoe to be so much “fun” to run in where shoe tech is king. I’ve done some speed work around 6:50-7:30/mi and easier paces (8:00-8:30/mi) and the shoe responds well at all paces. The pace changes are effortless in this shoe. Overall, it’s an absolute winner so far and has lived up to the hype.
Did the shoe fit TTS?
@@chapchappington2475 Yes, TTS for me. I have a normal width foot. It fits slightly shorter than the Adios 8, but a little more volume in the forefoot. Great lockdown for me.
Good to hear it is working for you. Out of interest what had you otherwise been using for "daily" training? As I alluded to in the video I just think it might be a too bit neutral and "fast" for literally "every day" training for all runners but if you want such a shoe for this ought to work well. Guess will also need to see how it holds after considerable miles. Haven't seen anybody with big mileage in them as yet which isn't surprising given how new they are to the market.
@@chapchappington2475 I made some sizing comments for you in "your" thread.
@@TimGrose I had been rotating between the Adios 8 and Novablast 3 for my daily miles with the Adios 8 being the primary of the two. I like the lower to the ground non-plated shoe as a daily option. I had the New Balance Rebel v3 as my daily trainer before the Adios 8 and Novablast 3. The SL2 is a nice balance between the Adios 8 and Novablast 3. I also picked up the Supernova Rise for my long runs and easy/recovery efforts.
Am one of those people who use the Adios 8 as a daily trainer and for intervals - it broke in so nicely!
Ah so do you use them for literally everything? What do you race in?
@@TimGrose - Currently running four times a week in training for a fourth HM. Adios 8 for easy and intervals, Adios Pro 3 for pace and long run. Got the AP3 when on sale in January. Intended to use some Vaporfly 2 (another sale purchase) for my next race but am liking the AP3, not the worst problem to have!
@@suranperera4620 Good combination for sure. For my boat feel, the AP3 is just a bit heavier than the Vaporflys and the v1 still remains my favourite one to race in. Done some decent sessions in the AP3 and find it one of the better ones for longish cruisy runs as well. With the Adios 8 feel need to be running at a decent tempo to justify using it which I guess is the real point of it.
@@TimGrose - Thanks Tim - appreciate the replies. On gut feel, likely the Vaporfly 2 for the next race. Still finding my way with HM training and nutrition - hoping for some progression!
I don't think I have enough miles yet on my Adios 8 to break them in, but I'm going to give them my "use one shoe for every run during the week" test soon.
Loving mine at the moment, complements my Adios, Boston and Takumi Sen line-up (never had the Pro!). Sidenote Tim - any plans for an update to the immensely valuable and interesting parkrun rankings?!?
As it happens I had though now we are halfway through the year could be a good window to look at a parkrun update. I was going to do one early on the year then the statsgate thing kicked off and thought best to hold back until was clearer if we can even still use the data. Fortunately we can. Good on the SL2. I have had to park mine for a bit due to some foot issues and the relative lack of support.
Great review Tim. Thx! I’m gonna get this when it’s on sale. Are you by chance reviewing the Adidas BYD as well. That shoe really looks interesting.
Just had a look at these. Maybe fortunately my size has sold out at least on adidas UK. If they are 290g in the standard UK 8.5 going to likely top 400g in a UK 13.5. That was the weight that the Prime X2 Strung came in for me so kind of feel I don't need another 400g shoe as that was disappointing and not just for the weight but the fit was odd with a shallow toebox.
Thanks for the review! The SL2 is a daily trainer option I'm looking at together with the Peg 41 and the Supernova Rise to possibly retire my Triumph 20/Peg 39 combo. Did I understand correctly that the SL2 would be better suited for tempo training, maybe some intervals, and not for everyday easy runs? My only reference from Adidas are the AP3, but that's a completely different type of shoe.
I would say from what have seen (as I don't have every shoe going!) that the Supernova Rise is a similar type of shoe to a Triumph or Pegasus in being more of a "traditional" daily trainer. Obviously the Peg 41 is going to be most similar to a Peg 39 and I can confirm that as I have both. The SL2 I would categorise more as a tempo or lightweight daily trainer with the Speed 4, Mach 6, Rebel v4 also being in that category for me. Out of interest then what sort of runs do you do in a Triumph than might otherwise reach for the Pegs? That all said think the SL2 would offer you something quite different unless you already have one of the "tempo" ones I mentioned.
@@TimGrose I haven't been running that long so I got started on the Peg (38/39) as my do-it-all daily trainer and it's a true workhorse! I got the T20 when I was looking for something a bit more comfortable for long, slow runs (that forefoot Air Zoom unit was beginning to annoy me a bit), but I can use them for pretty much everything since I'm not that fast (although even I can tell it's not built for speed). Currently, I'm using the T20 for my easy runs and alternating with the Peg 39 for when I'm picking up the pace a bit more (tempo, intervals), partly to rotate between the shoes, partly because the Peg is lighter, and I do enjoy that ground feel in shorter runs. Both shoes are in the 700k territory so I'm looking at alternatives for a new daily trainer. I don't have a tempo shoe per se.
@@OdanUrr87 yeah probably time to replace those ones. I suspect you will find a new shoe feels a lot more bouncy and cushioned. Good idea to rotate shoes - even fairly similar ones. That is basically what I do. Personally I would also look at the Endorphin Speed 4 if want a "faster" shoe but one I feel it has more "structure" than the SL2 albeit more expensive. Be interesting to see how SL2 usage pans out when runners have really decided how often they want to use them and for what.
love your content keep up the great work
Many thanks, appreciate that !
Have 100 miles on the shoe now and it is my daily. It is versatile nimble and durable. Can do light trails as well (if that's your flavor). The upper took ~30 miles to break-in, after which there are no more rubbing issues (heel or ankle). But the break-in is something to consider.
Ah that's good to hear. Have to admit I had to "park" my SL2 after my test runs due to a foot injury as I felt the SL2 was not giving me any support there and so potentially making things worse. In terms of "break in" did the actual midsole feeling change at all ? They certainly felt relatively "soft" to me.
@@TimGrose I agree, the shoe does not really provide any guidance. I would say 10 miles is my upper distance for a run.
The midsole did change, I feel like the lightstrike compressed a little and the LS pro sunk into it. This made the shoe feel more channeled/grounded than new when the layers sat on top of each other. It's kind of like a sandwich where the layers meld together if you let it sit for a bit..
This shoe is great! What an improvement from the first version. The first version felt like you were running on wood. The SL2 is so comfortable underfoot now that they added a full Lightstrike Pro ⚡️in the midsole. Good job Adidas.
Yeah certainly for us that change in the ride feel has made a big difference. Nonetheless interesting (and as I sort of alluded to in the video) to see another comment here that that runner liked the SL as the firm ride made it very stable for them.
A superb disclaimer 👌 Great to hear they feature some woolies style lacing. Keeping it old school 🤣 well done for breaking out the flash to remove the poo pre review. 🤣👍
I did think that writing it out on screen and reading it out might appeal more to the lawyers but I felt I did make the key point of saying I bought the shoes with my own money and where from and with what discount. I also don't hide where I run but if I run the same place twice of late it is not common. I also felt I needed to simulate a towpath so headed off to Ranmore to run on the sort of terrain I see in your videos. In this occasion some mud on heels would perhaps have been nicer than the stuff had to remove. I did though conclude that whilst the SL2 was good for a bit of ShoeTuber try out, I probably would not reach for the SL2 for a 100 miler.
@@TimGrose good point re the 100 miles. Certainly not a shoe I will be reaching for. 🤣👍
Hey Tim, nice review. You also felt it much more softer in the front.... was it the first run for you as well? I ran other miles on it after the first impressions review, and some tempo runs, and it feels good for tempo runs. Even in the warm up it was not that bad feeling. The only downside is the upper, very warm upper, probably I need to change my socks
Have to admit I am struggling with some injuries at the moment so my runs in the SL2 weren't as far or indeed as fast as normal so can't say for sure how it would feel on tempo runs but what you say is exactly how I thought they would likely perform for me on runs where going for it harder than everyday easy/steady pace. With the softer feel at front, I largely meant I could feel the Lightstrike Pro full stop. I don't tend to land on my heels too much but the overall feeling was soft for sure.
As for the warm upper I always wear thin socks. Also my first run in the SL2 was when had just back from a far warmer Portugal. As such even though was about 15 deg C I had to put arm warmers on! Can see what you mean that might not be too breathable but equally I suspect I won't want to use the SL2 for much more than an hour which is the typical length of my general "daily" non session easyish runs.
Hi Tim, adidas recommends 1/2 size up on their site. I’m normally a 9 with normal width feet. Any thoughts please?
@@InTheGrooove First question is what type of “9”. If you mean other adidas shoes you have a 9 then a 9.5 here is probably wise as I feel they do run slightly shorter than some other adidas shoes I have. If you are say a UK 9 in Nike or Saucony then the equivalent adidas UK size is 9.5 so you may even need a UK 10 in that case.
I do like softer shoes. The SL2 does sound like a good easy run option and the low cost is appealing. I prefer this type of shoe to have no plate, so it ticks that box too. My Saucony Ride 15s have almost had it and have been pretty firm, which I’m not a fan of. Think I may well give this a go.
Never tried a Ride but got to think that they must be somewhat different to the SL2. I will take bets that you don't find the SL2 "pretty firm" !
Heard nothing but positive reviews about this shoe. Might really have to check it out, as it' s very fairly priced as well. I do have the Rebel 4 and the Mach 6 though, and probably don' t really need another one in that category.
13:50 Daisy seems to be enjoying it as well:)
In hindsight I probably did not need the Rebel v4 or Mach 6 but was good to try them and feel sure will give them a few more goes. As mentioned, both offer a different experience to the SL2. I did do a bit of firm dry trail running in the SL2 (if not a towpath LOL) and "sort of" worked but perhaps a bit too "neutral" and so hence slightly unstable on less than a perfect surface. Was also thinking perhaps not the shoe to take out for a 100 miler or some other "mad" event!
And yes cameo from Daisy. I edited out her first mention but a nice surprise for cat/Daisy fans who make it to the end. Well done there :)
Thank you for the review, this shoe sounds promising. About the Boston 12 comparison: I found it much wider than usual for Adidas, so I'm not sure if that's the ideal comparison. I wonder if this one has better width (especially in the toebox) compared to the Takumi Sen?
I've only got the Takumi Sen 9 but I think the 10 fits fairly similar from what I can recall seeing. So in order of width of these then from narrowest would say is Takumi Sen, SL2, Boston 12. I largely mentioned the Boston 12 as it is obviously another adizero shoe and has been their default lightweight (well just about these days) general trainer in the line for some years now.
@@TimGrose That makes sense, thanks for your help!
Just seeing the inner heel padding makes me really want to try this. All the Adizero line for the last few years have all been terrible for heel lift. Hope this is a move by them to connect that heel padding strips around the back to stop heel lift on the newer Adizero shoes coming out this year.
Certainly some padding there. This hasn’t been an issue for me largely because I have to pull in the laces so much for my rather narrow feet that my feet aren’t then going anywhere but can see what you mean in shoes like the Adios Pro 3.
Hi Tim, thanks for the review, I came across your channel looking for options for shoes for the Police opposition, to use them both in the agility circuit and in the 1000, since they don't allow you to change shoes... I have to look for some with good grip and then for the track that are comfortable for me, I was among Adizero SL2, the Pegasus 41, and finally as an option the Adios 8, especially because of the continental sole... I don't know your opinion as an expert on this? . Thank you
Interesting use case. Of those three which I all have, I would probably opt for the Adios 8. It is not as soft as the SL2 but I would say it is the fastest of those three. I always found it decent for some off road runs so hence the grip should be decent and you have a bit of ground feel which should help for circuits. SL2 might feel a bit too soft generally unless you really like that. I like the Pegasus 41 a lot and the grip is fine but not the obvious choice for a fast 1000.
I think I'm going to look at some Bostons to complement the racing / sessions I do in the Takumis and Pro 3s.
It is a logical shoe to consider as a training partner to those. Think Boston 12 is just a shoe that does not scale that well for my boat feet. The other adidas option is all these Supernova variants. More of a plusher type of shoe than these ones already mentioned it seems however.
Hi Tim, great review. Is there an Adidas running shoe you could recommend that has a good arch support for a flat foot please?
I think anything else would be better than the SL2 in this regard. Although I find them a little heavy in my large UK 13.5, the Boston 12 is certainly more stable. I haven't tried them but suspect the Supernova Rise, being more of a standard daily trainer, is worth checking out. What do you currently use?
@@TimGrose wow, so the sl2 would be the worst Adidas shoe for arxh support??. I usually run in different variants of Ultraboost. All was fine until Ultraboost Cold Ready caused an injury
@@barrydduggan well of the ones have tried in the last year or so which is Adios 7 & 8, Adios Pro 3, Boston 11 & 12, Takumi Sen 9, SL & SL2, Prime X2 Strung, Prime X original. I have just got the Nike Pegasus Trail 5 GORE-TEX and was surprised it has a lot of arch support.
Great review. The previous model is too narrow for my slightly wide feet. I have the Boston 12, and it works well for long runs with marathon pace. I can lock in the pace comfortably. My feet are much smaller than yours, so my pair feel more nimble. Can’t speak for the new SL but agree based on last year’s model that it’s good for daily mileage but I’d prefer to reach for something more structured when going out longer.
I put the original SL on one foot and the SL2 on the other just before I filmed this to remind me. I would say the upper on the SL is "stiffer" whereas the SL2 is relatively thinner so felt had more of a "closer" fit across midfoot. Suspect that saved some weight too. Perhaps if the Boston 12 is working well for you and with your wider feet the SL2 may also be too narrow but as I said in the video it is very hard for somebody else to say for sure how might work for somebody else.
I love your point of difference, evidence and transparency....
Really loved your and Eddbud's review on SL2, it could sell an extra 10,000 units for Adidas.
If we compared the true daily trainer at the USD120-130 point of all brands, Adidas are nearly clear top with the SL2.
Great review.
Yeah I certainly think the SL2 is likely to have wider appear than the SL did even if that one did have some fans. I guess, as I tried to convey here, a lot of it comes down to what you want in a "daily" trainer.
I am one of those folks who found the Boston 12 too narrow at the midfoot, so sadly I’ll be waiting on this one. Adios 8 is a great shoe-I use it for track intervals. And AP3 is my race shoe, so some Adidas does work for me but appears I’m on a line in width.
Ah interesting that the Adios 8 works for you but not the Boston 12 but for seemingly opposite reasons to me. Can't say the Adios 8 is overly narrow but it fits my narrow feet as good as I usually expect with somewhat "odd" feet. So what do you use for your more easier runs?
@@TimGrose I haven’t found the “perfect” easy day shoe, as overly soft shoes (read 1080) just don’t feel great. The Endorphin Speed 3 is comfortable at any pace and I’ve just gotten the Mizuno Neo Vista, which I believe will be a contender. Mind you, as a big dude (~210lbs), it stands to reason weight could be a significant factor.
@@elliotendures I don't think I have ever found that shoe in 40+ years of running. Besides if I did what would I talk about on TH-cam :) That said, he various Endorphin Speed versions is the shoe have used the most for "daily" type runs in recent years. Can't see that Mizuno in my size but keen to hear more reports on it.
@@TimGrose Oddly I have found that particular use case the hardest to solve. For whatever reason, I am trying to avoid running in plated shoes more than half the time but these shoes with the plastic or nylon plates work really well for me. I've just ordered the new Supernova Prima and wonder if that will be a good plodder for me.
@@elliotendures don't know too much about that one but think the Supernova will be somewhat "plusher" and hopefully indeed a good plodder.
😊thanks, for ya video Tim. I'm doing most of my track and speedwork training in all my adios 3's as I stock piled a whole hoard s few years ago😅
I would chuck on the high stack racers to save calfs sometimes and if doing very long training run but would still prefer to race in an adios 3/4.
I did like original sl20 for tow path intervals as you said got good after 50 miles
I used to use the first Boost version of the Adios (effectively the Adios 1 to the current Adios 8) for intervals on things like towpaths and old railways. I found that lower to the ground and now relatively firm ride good for slightly softer firm trails. I did one of my test runs in the SL2 on a firm trail and was OK but did wonder if might be a bit too soft and slightly unstable for that terrain but also felt the foam would tend to feel a little firmer if really going for it which I wasn't!
Great review! Can you remove the glued in insole to accommodate orthotics?
Have to admit did not try to pull it out! I imagine you ought to be able to as surely is just glued down with "normal" glue. My reservation would be in a "racy" type shoe like this that there may not be enough room and/or you would have to size up for a bit more room to accommodate it.
Hi Tim, if you weren't a dedicated runner and you needed just one shoe. Would you go for Pegasus 41 or Adizero SL2? Much appreciated!
That's a tricky one. If you were to ask out of all my current shoes what would be my single one it would probably be the Endorphin Speed 4. It would have been the Pegasus Turbo 2 few years ago before it got discontinued. It might be again if the reported new upcoming version is any good. If I wasn't a "dedicated" runner then perhaps I don't really care what is say the "fastest" or "lightest" but what I think looks best, is most versatile for general fitness (including walking) and indeed right now which offers a bit more "support". For the latter reasons, think the Peg 41.
@@TimGrose much appreciated
I bought this shoe based on reviews by Tim, EddBud, and Yowana…
Bottom line, best $130 I ever spent. Fantastic shoe.
Good you are getting on OK with it. I have had to restrict usage of it myself due to an unrelated Achilles/heel issue and feel I just need a shoe with a bit more "support" right now. Hope to get back into them more when that is hopefully sorted. Out of interest what is the furthest you have been in them and did it work or did you think might have been better in something else?
@@TimGrose Maybe they just work for my use-case… I’m just a fitness runner, I do maybe 6-7 miles per daily. I enjoy the bounce vs typical cushioned shoes which to me feel like they sap energy. I’m also loving my new Deviate Nitro 3s, while my plodding running style in no way requires a carbon plate, the cushion/bounce is fantastic.
@@TimGrose My current rotation is SL2, Deviate Nitro 3, and Triumph.
Interestingly, the ride and cushion of SL2 and Deviate feel very similar; the biggest difference so far is the Deviate keeps my foot in place and is more stable, whereas SL2 my feet roll inward a little (I have low arches).
Nice review Tim, thanks. I have a question. The B12's strength is for longer runs 2hrs +, but can it handle the slower paces?? .....6.30/km pace. I know the SL2 can do that better, but Im buying 1 shoe and need something that can go the distance sometimes (not often) for long weekend jogs and maybe 2 races a year (42km). Should I go SL2 and suffer towards the end of a 3hr session or go B12 and suffer when going 6.30km pace?
I think if your main interest is marathons then of those two I would say the B12 even if it is a shoe that I personally was only so so about. It is relatively firmer and so found it quite stable but is a little heavier. It fits a little wider. The SL2 is softer but offers relatively little support and although is more lively for shorter runs think, for longer ones, you may wish had "more" shoe.
@@TimGrose My current shoe is the SL1. Would the B12s firmness be an upgrade/softer?. I cannot take the SL1 to 25/30km. Can the SL2 do that distance comfortably?
@@ZaahirJappie The SL1 I found the firmest then B12 then SL2 softest so you may find the B12 a good compromise. I think with runs of 25K + then "comfortably" is as much related to fitness than the shoe.
@@TimGroseGreat advise, thanks! Is there a noticeable difference at about 25km between the SL2 and B12? Marathon running is not my focus, but long moderately paced runs is. I just need to figure out which experience am I willing to endure....B12 firmness at slow paces or SL2 long run support.
just got mine and have only tried them on but I'm also a little concerned about the ankle bone rub. Hopefully the upper softens up!
On the possible plus side you are the only other runner who has mentioned that in the comments here or in other SL2 reviews AFAIK. Let us know if it was actually a problem on a run.
@@TimGrose I have put about 20 miles in the ankle area on the run., But I did have some issues with heel rub on my first 2 runs. This went away as the shoe softened up but I would definitely wear higher/thicker socks.
Also I like the new tongue a lot. The whole upper reminds me slightly of the adios 6.
@@SurrendaYoPie ah so not quite clear - are you OK in the ankle area with these? Sounds like they are starting to work well for you.
@@TimGrose Yes, okay with the ankle area. And enjoying my runs so far!
@@SurrendaYoPie good thanks
What are people saying for the sizing of the SL2? I'm an 8.5 in both the Adios Pro 3 and the Takumi Sen 10, but an 8 in the Boston 12 - should I size up slightly and get the 8.5 if this is quite a narrow shoe?
As you seem to have a relatively wider foot I would go with the 8.5 as for me the Boston 12 is the widest. I have same size in all 4 (well Sen 9 as not got the 10) but got UK 13.5/US 14
I thought this was just me.
I’m a size 10 in nearly every single runner. With the Boston 12, I have to go down half a size to 9.5 for a nice fit.
Good review, too narrow for me. However the rebel v4 suits me and my bunion fine 😊.. so we all get to have sub 150 fun.
Thanks! Yeah think these SL2 will be too narrow for you if you find the Rebel v4 good for width. BTW had to laugh at your Paula Radcliffe comment on Five Miles Easy.
@@TimGrose 😁 🤫
@@TimGroseRebelv4 is running 1/2 size short compared to Adi?
@@runzization I have got UK 13.5 in both which is my normal size in both those brands. Don't forget in UK sizes both are 0.5 higher number than say Nike or Saucony but physically are all the same as the US and cm sizes are uniform.
There’s the adistar BYD now too, adidas range is very cluttered. I love the Bostons, and the 12’s are great for what I need, .as you say Tim, it’s whatever you feel works for you….great video as always
Agree adidas do churn out quite a lot of shoes but having just had a look at the BYD (and another commentator mentioned them) then it seems a very different shoe to the SL2. The weight of them in a UK 8.5 is almost the same as what my SL2 in a UK 13.5 for instance and they cost somewhat more. Don't think I will bother with them. Otherwise be keen to get hold of the Adios 9 and Adios Pro 4 when they drop having liked the current versions. I've got the Takumi Sen 9 as well but not the 10 (never seem to have my size) and in real. So yeah there can be a bit of overlap for sure and perhaps, as a result, I haven't used any of them as much as I could have done.Then there is the Supernova Rise (and a few other variants). Bit like the BYD they just seem would be overly heavy for me just as the Prime X2 Strung turned out to be.
@@TimGrose I race in the pro 3’s and have done from the start of the range, so the 4’s are very much anticipated…hope they turn out well.
I'm a sprinter, who's the best for me Adios 8 or SL or SL2 or... ? Thank u
Probably Adios 8 for actually going fastest over short distances. More toe off feel and general stiffness.
please spot on the stability issue of this shoe. this is not highly advisable on those runners who pronates.
Yes the SL2 is very "neutral". If you need a bit more support then might need to look elsewhere or at least use it sparingly for more uptempo runs.
Would you recommend to someone who never has tried an adizero shoe before? Have a pair of ultraboost 22 i wear casually but not to run in. Normaly run in Brooks and Saucony
Probably yes unless you have rather wide foot and/or don’t think can wear neutral shoes. I think you may find these are relatively minimalist but equally maybe softer. I suspect somewhat lighter too.
@TimGrose sounds good actually. I have a narrow foot, not quite needing narrow sizing. May pick up a pair to try once I can get below $100. At that point, it's low risk, high reward
@@brettfettbeargaming yeah for this price always worth a try. You will hopefully enjoy having a different type of shoe to use some days.
The SL 1 was so bad i couldn't run it as it was rock solid 😮i actually removed around a ⅓ of the rear midsole to soften them, it worked but why did they make it so hard?
Yeah it was indeed rather "solid". Good idea to try and chop off bits though! I guess the SL2 is the answer to why they made the original so hard - it wasn't what most of us wanted.
Does the shoe fit TTS?
I usually go off cm, where 25.5cm is a 6.5UK.
Adidas website says that a 25.5cm is a 7.5UK??
Any help would be appreciated.
Yes I did take my normal adidas UK size. Indeed if I look at the cm size it is the exact same one that I take across all brands. The other universal measure for me is the US size. At least for my rather large feet adidas UK sizes are numerically 0.5 higher than say Nike or Saucony. With the cm sizes on sizing charts you have to be careful if they mean the cm length of the shoe itself (so the one on the box and/or your label) or your feet. When you say UK 6.5 and 25.5cm what brands is that? I'll have a look at the sizing chart and see if can advise further...
So the cm "heel-toe" ones on www.adidas.co.uk/help/size_charts/men-shoes are meant to be the length of your actual feet. For me in a UK 13.5 is says 30.5 cm and my actual feet are 30.2cm. Unless you like tight fits I would go for the one with a heel to toe measurement at or slightly longer longer than your feet. If you normally get 25.5 "actual" cm shoes then the UK 7.5 must be too big.
Thank you for the response 👍
Please can you put an apostrophe into ‘Tim’s Man Cave’ I can’t stop looking at it! 😆
Ha ha sorry. I got it as a present from a relative. Not sure where they got it from. Will have to ask.
It’s an inclusive man cave for all Tims
How would you compare it to the Puma VN3?
SL2 I would say is lighter, softer, fit not as good for me, lot less structure. Bit like I alluded to with the Pegasus 41 both have their place depending on preference and the type of run you are actually doing.
The whole idea of the SL was to offer a cheap light shoe, so even if the 2 is an improvement on foot, it's heading in the wrong direction for price... clearly they have been influenced by the success of the Boston 12, which isn't cheap at all though worth every penny imho!! YES indeed Tim, a shoe's stats is very often significantly different to its feel on foot, not only the drop but especially the weight too strangely, AND yes absolutely depending on how far you run in them too as you point out!! 'Cause the Boston sure feels light to me out there pounding the pavement, even after 30k!!
Wasn't the first SL also £110 when it launched? I know you can pick it up for £75 online, but with any luck we'll see the SL2 discounted down to that level in a few months.
@@MrAsthenia Oh maybe you’re right but here it was €110 and the 2 is €130, there seems to be some variation by country!🤷🏻♀️
As I recall I got the original SL from the adidas UK website with a huge 30% or so discount so perhaps their only redeeming point for me is that I only "wasted" about £70. This time I couldn't see that I could use my adizero points on them and the off white colourway was not available in my size their so went for Sports Shoes where could use our club's 10% discount. Thinking about clearly adidas realised the SL can't have the mark they were looking for as otherwise hard to see why the SL2 would be so different from a ride point of view. adidas do have issues with their price points because, as mentioned, sounds like the SL2 will soon be able to be picked up for somewhat less still. Still these days if can buy a brand new shoe (as I also did for the Velocity Nitro 3) then I don't feel have overspent as it were.
I think the SL was also £110 RRP but, as mentioned, I got a 30% discount even on release. TBH it felt more like a £70 shoe than a £110 one!
@@TimGrose OH yes agree... the SL looks an feels like a budget shoe for sure!
How the SL2 size compares to adios 8?
Adios 8 I found is a bit lighter and a bit firmer and feels a bit closer to the ground. I would say Adios 8 is more like a modern take on a plateless racing flat but the SL2 is more a lightweight daily trainer.
@@TimGrose sorry, should’ve been more clear. I have sl2 already, and ordered adios 8, same size as sl2, but heard adios 8 is a bit long and one should go half size down. Or do they fit similar?
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Thanks!
Alphafly V1 negative drop. V2 perfect.
Ah I didn't feel it was negative as such in v1 but agree v2 was more obviously a "normal" drop.
Boston 12 is a strange one. I hate it when I start running.. First hour they are OK but as you keep going and need more help they really become amazing. Every long run when I put them on I think what a terrible upper... Hard midsole... But after a couple of hours running I get home and always think.. "Fxxx Amazing 😂.
I don't think I ever got much past an hour in them. I think the last time I wore them was in the winter and so it was quite cold. As such I think that makes the regular Lightstrike feel that much firmer which was also the case with most of my runs in the original SL. I did notice when was in Portugal recently that the Speed 4 felt softer than it did back home in the UK so maybe the temperature can be a factor in whether a shoe can feel firm or less so. As I mentioned though that they are relatively heavy for a "tempo" type shoe in my size and, as you say, the upper wasn't great but perhaps for opposite reasons to you as I found it quite wide.
@@TimGrose Temperature definitely affects the midsole stiffness/ hardness. I know of a runner or two that actively warm their shoes in winter to improve the 'feel'. There are a few reviews online that recheck durometer (hardness) at different temp. Generally EVA is more affected by temp than the PEBA foams as far as I know. Not sure how the supercritical process and use of nitrogen affects this though.
@@glyndonwakeman7420 yeah good point I had thought of that and indeed last summer got out the SL on a warmish day to see if felt any better. TBH it didn't but at least had a decent enough run which kind of shows sometimes just need to get on with it. It did get out my durometer and "poked" the foams a bit before filming and the numbers did indeed seem to suggest this SL2 is somewhat softer. In this case the difference is "obvious" on foot and one of the problems with durometer readings just of midsole foams is that you can't really factor in how the outsole might effect things so decided to leave out of the video.
With such huge feet I imagine the entirety of that dogs shit was squished into that gap in the midsole. Thanks for the review
Ha ha. Maybe it wasn't that big a dog - fortunately.
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Yes the high drop is very prominent....hmm....
Are you a runner who prefers lower drop shoes?
It is good option, for flat feet or no?
As I mentioned, I feel it is a very neutral shoe with no significant arch support or general structure and does want you to "get going" being relatively light. What shoe(s) do you get on with at present? Might be easier to say if I think those are in any way similar.
@@TimGrose Thanks for your answer. The truth is, I'm not sure what kind of shoes suit me. All I know is that I have slightly flat feet, and that every single shoe, in the beginning and until it wears off, hurts my feet. Now I use the nike structure 25. Previously the nike infinity 3, and the adidas supernova with boost. Since I've heard a lot of opinions about stability shoes, I'm thinking they may be doing more harm than good in the end. Do the neutral shoes cover me? I get nike more often, just because it's the only company I can find options in my size. 48.5 EU At least here in europe, nike and adidas give me options in these sizes. I also only do slow to very slow running, the multiple sclerosis I have. That is, I only do easy and slow runs 5 times a week, 8-9 kilometers a day.
@@stratoszervakis1719 ah same size as me then. I would say the SL2 will likely feel somewhat different to those ones largely because it is a lot lighter. I also think there always has to be an element of giving things a go. As you say, you might not actually need stability shoes and whenever I tried something that borders on one, they generally feel hard work. With the SL2, I would say it is the sort of shoe, bit like a race one where I would not use it all the time but in rotation with other ones. A compromise might however be something like the Boston 12 which, as I mentioned, has a bit more to it and is generally a bit firmer and feels quite stable without being designed as a stability shoe per se.
Got the SL im 112 kg so i they are soft , maybe its my weight
You mean this SL2 or the original one? If the SL2 agree is relatively soft.
@@TimGrose the original
@@sugarcan1110 ah interesting. Did they soften over time but yes you may prefer the relatively firmer SL to this SL2.
@@TimGrose they are soft it maybe due to my weight ..I'm looking for a soft one best one out there I was told not to get vapour fly ...IV had ASICS ...what you reckon on a soft one in your experience as I'm bigger
Lovely cat... what's her name..?? 🐈 🐈
Daisy !
Did you say you got dogshit stuck in the shoe?😅
Just on the outsole not literally "inside" the shoe !
Ap3 better
Sure but the AP3 is double the price so you hope it would be.
Start telling us if the shoe is for heel strikers or forefoot runners…
Doesn't that cover pretty much everybody?
@@TimGrose some shoes are designed for heel strikers who have to roll there step forward, and some shoes are designed to forefoot runners. There is a huge difference as to which shoe each should use. Pleas specify which type of runner the shoe being reviewed is best suited for.
@@ronredlin3355 I don't think shoes can be sub divided quite as distinctly as that. What I would say about the SL2 is that is probably one of the most "neutral" shoes have tried in that it offers next to no support for the foot in terms of motion control and/or arch support and is perhaps even slightly "unstable" as a result. There is also no "rocker" or other assitive technology bar the foam as far as I can tell. However it has a soft well cushioned feel throughout. There have been quite a few reviews now on the SL2 and generally every reviewer has like them. Can't believe they all have the same type of gait. If you are really asking if this shoe might suit you please give some examples of shoes you like and you don't and that might help me to advise further.
One of the most entitled and passive aggressive comments I’ve read in a while… Do better