I was thinking a jury battle back would be on and then the Kyle fall out happened and now that’s not gonna be happening. Just apart of the game. Joseph got what the non cookout members got
Allegedly, the 25 person audience was told to do anything but boo, so they did nothing, and the only people clapping are producers/cbs staff (according to a tweet I saw so take it with a grain of salt, I’ll try to find the tweet if I can)
"Dang, that applause difference got me. Justice for Joseph. He didn't deserve what happened to him." As our lord and savior Julie Chen reminds us every Thursday, "Welcome to Big Brother." Backstabbing is a commonplace tactic in the game, it happens and nobody "deserves" or doesn't "deserve" it. That's how the game works.
Kyle went far with this. But it is ironic that no one is calling out Taylor for bring up race for not wanting to put up Jasmine. But if Kyle had won and said he didn’t want to put up Alyssa because she was white, the internet would be in a frenzy
The big difference here (among others) would be that unlike the Kyles discussed here, the seasons these people played in would all require massive spoilers... Please do it anyways @Ethanimale, as long as you tag that, no one would begrudge you for it.
OOH I got another one: The Joshes of Big Brother, Bringers of Chaos! Seriously, you got Josh Souza, the first ever runner-up in Big Brother stateside, Josh Feinberg of BB3, Joshua Welch of BB9 (👎👎), Josh Martinez of BB19 (who already has a video made, but who cares), and then BBCAN has Josh Farnworth and Josh Nash of BBCans 9 and 10 respectively. This is some major clickbait material. (I don't know anything about Josh Souza's game, never saw his season, but he deserves a shoutout too amongst this group of loudmouths and messy gameplay)
Man am I happy you showed Kyle Shore's speech after he got evicted, b/c it is basically the antithesis of how much of BBUS has acted over the years. Yes, some very good natured people have been on Big Brother, especially in BB23 and Taylor Hale from this current season, but the fact BBUS has so often been plagued by scandals of prejudice for so many different seasons is really disheartening. So seeing a speech like Kyle Shore's was really uplifting.
@@reidye To answer that question, let's reverse that mentality. What has she done that would be deemed as *awful*? Pretty much nothing. The majority of the house has been cruel to her, either directly or indirectly, and rather than get angry back, which is what most people would do in that situation, she treats these people with at least more respect than they did to her. And not even by default either, which would be easy enough. Even when she took a dig at them, like Nicole during her eviction speech, it comes across less her being spiteful, and more her being kinda playful. When she quotes Rihanna as a superfan, it strikes me as more of a wink to the audience than actual disdain she's showing to the people around her.
No way ultranatic didn’t expect you to be on this vid, I knew you were a fan you had a picture of BB22 in I think a TDA vid and a veto on your wall I’m glad to hear your viewpoint this season and over the years any chance you’d ever make a big brother video?
@@Raccoon-Galaxy17 Been a TH-cam Member of Ethanamimale's for a while now, and proud to be one. As far as me making a Big Brother video, I can't say for sure if I ever will. I have a lot on my plate, just sticking with Total Drama and Pop Music, so I can't say it'll happen in the near future. However, that doesn't mean I'll never make one, it'll just have to have a special set of circumstances and a freer schedule. The latter which I currently don't have. But you never know.
Ethan...i like your videos but...your take on American Kyle is one of THE BEST TAKES on the whole "Kyle" situation. Actually, not just the Kyle one but the understanding of the motivations behind The Cookout. BRAVO my man. Please explain this for more of the people who keep complaining how The Cookout was racist, how Taylor was racist and how Kyle was simply misunderstood.
i personally would say the cookout is racist if it were to happen again but the reason behind it is what makes it’s completely fine they wanted the first black winner on there season, I dont think Taylor nor Kyle are racist I think taylor was being true to herself the whole season even though her finale speech did seem like if you have something against a woman of colour than youll vote against me but i could be completely wrong on that I really hated this season after what happened to kyle so I may have misread it at the time. Whereas kyle imo didnt say anything that crossed the line he simply pointed out that there could be a cookout as there was last season and some POC said they would never put another POC up so I think he just made a wrong assumption personally I would hold michael more to blame as he held that for weeks and let it go at the perfect time; If you know its that racist why hold onto it for so long and twist the words when you tell people. Its hard to have hope for a good big brother season in the future when everyone is so scared now to be condemned for anything they might say, so to sum it up I personally think none of the parties listed are racist some maybe just misread if you look at bb15 and some other seasons these people are all saints lol
anyone gonna talk about how kyle is 29 and unemployed? like when i first saw him i thoight he was like 22-23. and him being this naive at his age just means its gonna be awhile before he actuallt matures
@@ezentsy3329that makes so much sense since he’s from utah and he’s “never been to a bar” which is a weird excuse to justify your prejudice. like brother, you can be sober and have life experiences.
@@peenoice5176you clearly didn’t because you missed the point entirely. The cookout was formed based on the goal of crowning the first black winner, they didn’t just say “hey we are all black so we have to work together!” Because the goal of the cookout was achieved, there will never be another cookout, and any fears for another one happening are misplaced and unjustified! That is why your comment is off base!
Hi, it's the person who found the wrong Kyle Moore here! I'll never forget the day that happened. I was frantically searching through Twitter to find his account, and I felt confident it was him because he was a white man from Canada who liked the hockey. Clearly, I didn't do a very good job going beyond that, lmao. I did not expect that to spread through BB Twitter as much as it did. People's default answer has always been "Oh, BB Twitter collectively found Kyle" but I truly believe if it wasn't for me, none of that would've happened!! Maybe someone else would've found the wrong account later, but we'll never know. At least BBCAN10 Kyle thanked me for finding him after things died down. It's such a silly thing to reminisce about, but I'm kind of proud myself for making an impact on BBCAN history. Thanks for showing my tweet!
One segment to consider is the curse of the Unemployed Houseguest. I don’t know if Canada has had HGs with Unemployed as their occupation, but in BB US we have Jessie (BB15), Zack (BB16), and Kyle (BB24). All three players make it to the jury but somehow end up becoming the 3rd or 4th jury member due to bad gameplay.
I forgot one more from BB US: Frank (BB14). He was a power player and was America’s Favorite HG that season. But he ultimately became the 3rd juror that season.
Kyle Moore BBCAN10 was such a messy player and I love him for it. Gave us one of the most entertaining weeks in a phenomenal season and none of his messiness was icky or problematic, it was just bad gameplay.
He actually ha been pushing a cookout type alliance was going on as well, which is why Moose then Josh were his targets. Marty took reign of that when he left pushing the poc were together
yeah, he wasn't unlikable, and you honestly hated to see him mess up because he really seemed like a good guy who could have made it fun. At least his flameout was spectacular to watch!
@@JRJuggernaut1 yep, I wanted him to do well simply because of his casting story. Wasn’t too upset that he went early because of how spectacular his flameout truly was
I feel like Kyle Capener is the perfect representation of people who got caught in their feelings over being angry about The Cookout alliance and swore "if I got on Big Brother, i'd make an all white alliance!" lol
Different TH-camr, but TheMeranianReview has done a video on this (though it’s a bit outdated because it’s a couple years old and missing a couple seasons
While it's not really my job to appreciate it, I think it's great that you give Kyle all the credit he deserves for recognizing what he did, but are still very sure to say that doesn't mean he's off the hook, or his actions are forgiven, or that there won't be repercussions on the outside. I hope this can serve as a reminder to people (very much including myself) to continue learning and unlearning and educating ourselves on how to do better, and treat people equittably.
I appreciate that he realized what he did. It’s not that people aren’t willing to forgive, they just want him to see how his impacts affected other black people in the house (and even joseph/indy). i think after the season, he’ll have a lot of time to deeply reflect and change fully
@@User-vd9hr I want to believe that but we all said that about Aaryn and she never truly changed after she left the house, same with Ginamarie. It also doesn't help that many think that while Kyle was crying in the DR room after being confronted, he was coached on what to say in response. It makes me wonder how much he truly understands what he did wrong, something we have seen with many of the evicted houseguests this season. I hope that he grows from the experience, but I am also annoyed at CBS for all the ways they mishandled this situation and how much the casual viewers won't see any of this!
@@JRJuggernaut1 Ahh very good points! It's good to be cautious with outright supporting Kyle, because we truly haven't actually seen how he'll act post-season, so it's good to wait and see. And yes ughhhhh, I really wish CBS would be open and upfront when stuff like this happens, instead of waiting for the last possible moment to bring stuff up, and not even actually bringing up some of the more egregious stuff!! If you can give us that overstuffed 2 hour episode, you can be open anout ypur houseguests' racism :/
@@TRGOTSVODS The most egregious part of CBS's mishandling was how they tried to make Michael and Brittany look worse than Kyle. Regardless of how much Michael and Brittany screwed up, it's insulting to make it seem like they ruined the season or that they twisted what Kyle said. it's infuriating how many takes I have seen along those lines. Kyle messed up, and Michael and Brittany should not have enabled his behaviors, but they were right to expose him and his actions were not taken out of proportion!
I personally didn’t understand Kyle’s thinking that a cookout 2.0 existed because the house dynamics didn’t make sense for that to happen. I could see that being a worry in maybe the first or second week because of how successful that alliance was in the previous season, but after seeing the whole house going against Taylor, Terrance being put on the block every other week, and Monte being your closest ally, it didn’t really make a lot of sense. I will say in his defense Taylor’s HOH was pretty bad with her changing the target every 5 minutes, and Kyle not being included in a lot of those conversations about the plans didn’t help things. However, the fact he through in Indy to that group even though she was really pissed at Taylor and wanted to make an all white alliance is the most damning for him in the end.
>I will say in his defense Taylor’s HOH was pretty bad with her changing the target every 5 minutes Yes, Taylor said she wouldn't eliminate a black woman which raised some eyebrows but Taylor's first target was Terrance before other members of the leftovers started trying to change her mind to evict Indy instead. Kyle knowing that Terrance was Taylor's first target should also be more reason a Cookout 2.0 doesn't exist. Even if Joseph Taylor and Monte were possibly forming together to create an alliance that still isn't a Cookout 2.0 and doesn't warrant trying to recruit every white houseguest. He was just dumb and let his biases (whether subconscious or conscious) get in the way of logic.
This is why allowing the Cookout last year was dumb, it created a prejudice. Kyle may have been in the wrong, but it did happen last year. The production let a race-based alliance win a season for representation, but failed to see to consequences for years to come. I really hope race is not going be a recurrent topic. And, when you hear Taylor talking about black women... why black? and how much black is not okay? This race rhetoric is none sense and needs to stop. Aren't we against discrimination?
@@HMaxQc 100% agreed. They need to ban race based alliances altogether. If they had done that before this season started, this whole thing either wouldn't have been an issue OR Kyle would have actually deserved the "racist" accusations. As it is, I mostly blame the producers 🤷
You can find Kyle's behavior problematic while also finding the way Michael and Brittany conveniently weaponized their conversation from three weeks ago as equally problematic. It's a very thin line between gameplay and outside society that I'm probably not the person to speak on.
It was the best game move at that point. Britney probably wouldn’t have brought it up if it wasn’t for Kyle denying all the stuff he said in the Bathroom when it was 1 on 1. Also Atleast Micheal and Britney told everyone instead of not saying anything.
Yep. If Michael and Brittany really were as upset about Kyle’s comments as they say they were, they would have said something the minute they heard it. The fact that they waited kind of showed their hand. Was it a good move for Michael? It’s still unknown right now. But, either way, I just hope that Kyle grows from this and becomes a better person.
@@DM-wb1fn It was a good game move, just bad optics. Look at Terrance for example. When he said that he should've sent Joseph out based on the info it's true, since had he known about the info before his HOH he wouldn't have bothered saving Kyle. Now, he had to send his own number home, destorying his game, and now it's very likely he's gonna be sent out by the people who essentially weaponized his race.
Your views on Kyle & the comments made was spot on!! I’m an African American woman and this is exactly what I was saying about the situation. You can’t assume a cookout would form again when the goal of the cookout was to finally crown a black winner. They did that, and helped open the conversation for unconscious biases brought to the game to be erased. Knowing that Jasmin & Terrence did not like Taylor and that Nicole was a bully to her & Amariah(sorry idk how to spell) was gone and never working with Taylor was clear sigh s that there were not an alliance. Then to assume Joseph & Indy would be in it soley because they’re poc when the cookout was all black to ensure a black winner, was just chaotic thinking. I don’t think he hates poc, but he’s not very smart about these things, is quite ignorant & sheltered. Hopefully he learns and actually educates himself over the course of years throughout his life. Because unchecked micro aggressions can become dangerous overtime.
My man, you've got it mixed up. Kylers are the boogimen that sleep under the beds of Kyles... You're not only one letter away from them, they're only one letter away from YOU
After watching this when you were talking about BB CAN and BB USA made me think about what would be a potential dream season that would be sick is Canada Vs USA all stars, they can take 8 player from both BB CAN and BB USA and play it out. I’m Canadian so I would have to side with team Canada but BB US was what made me fall in love with this show.
My view point on Kyle is that he did what they said he did. Making him a victim does not prevent this from ever happening again. So what Brit and Michael used this as game, the fact of the matter is that Kyle gave them this bone. Those are two different situations that are not comparable.
thank you for explaining the bb24 kyle situation better, it wasn't fully clear from the edits how it was, but this helped. i didn't remember much of the cookout or why they formed but again this clarified what they did and why its so different
Not really, making an alliance using race as reference and for the sole reason of putting a chosen race first place is pointless since the win isn't earned. So a second cookout is possible because it is equally pointless.
@@peenoice5176 When Taylor told she won't eliminate a black woman it was ok but otherwise it was racism? US people are strange... Racism works both ways and Taylor was extremely racist and focused on being a first black woman to win BB, focusing entirely on her race, nothing else.
So like the thing with Kyle for me is that its kinda weird how he said he had unconscious thoughts about the minorities and stuff, but then in the leftovers 3 of the 7 members in the leftovers were minorities. This is even when Kyle had the biggest hand in putting this alliance together. Although Kyle has somewhat admitted to being racist, he also did some good things in the house (like protecting Taylor when it came to bullying and stuff) but also has done some very bad stuff in the house. I definitely think he can grow as a person and become better, and if Kyle can prove he's grown as a person then I would be willing to forgive his actions. I feel like thats a unpopular opinion right now though as most people act like you cannot change as a person.
Also, having unconscious biases doesn’t mean you won’t use poc to further your game by aligning with them. It means even after all the loyalty that was proven to him especially by Monte, Kyle still couldn’t fully trust him back and planned on backstabbing him
I have a very similar opinion about Kyle capener to you. I don’t think he is a bad person. He has racial biased and showed micro aggressions. This can be fixed with time. I also believe the he was truly sorry for the statements. He should be held accountable but what most people fail to understand is that there is a huge difference between being held accountable and being punished. Kyle I imagine went through hell on social media after bb24.
It is hilarious. Bbcan 10 Kyle Moore was on a lot of people's top picks to win the season. How embarrassing for them lol. Who had the worst hoh reign? Bbcan 10 Kyle or erratic Frenchie? That's a tough one.
The guy was freaking out about people labeling him a racist, both inside AND outside the house... People tend to say anything and everything in desperate situations
I’ve been meaning to suggest something like this! I’d love to see a “Successes and Failures of _____” I feel like there have been a bunch of Nicoles and Rachels
As a Canadian who watches both the Canadian and American versions of Big Brother I always appreciate seeing both show up in your videos. I am genuinely curious on your take for Big Brother Canada 11
Kyle Moore in BBCAN10 was actually my second favourite in that season. He was so messy, and it made the show entertaining. Yes, I know he’s a bad player.
Ethanimale,. thank you for everything you do. If there is one thing I appreciate, it's how well you tackle the more controversial social issues in BB. When it came to the cookout, you were able to recognize what amazing achievement it was, and not the racist event that people falsely make it out to be. When it comes to the Kyle Capener situation, I am glad you provided the same accurate insight here too! The thing is, I am appalled by all the people who claim Kyle did nothing wrong, whether it's because they think Kyle was justified in what he did due to the cookout (wrongfully) being racist, or because they felt his words were taken out of context, which they weren't. Look even as a cisgender white male, I am fully aware of how problematic Kyle's comments were, and it's insane to think that he did nothing wrong knowing he made several questionable assumptions during this season. If you think the cookout is racist but have not condemned the microaggressions that made it nearly impossible for Black players to win before season 23, please reevaluate your positions. If you think Kyle did nothing wrong, than you are either being disingenuous, or you don't follow the feeds, because assuming a cookout 2.0 is happening based on zero evidence and proposing an all white alliance to combat it is beyond problematic. That being said, a couple additional points from that season: 1. Michael and Brittany are being framed as worse than Kyle and while they definitely should have come clean with this info sooner, they are not worse than Kyle in any way. The fact that people think they are ruining Kyle's life is also absurd, because being held accountable will not ruin his life. Hell, even someone like Aaryn, who was arguably worse in BB15, she is supposedly worse now and she still has a life and career, so clearly he'll be fine either way. There is a conversation to be had surrounding Michael and Brittany's bad acts, but that should not take away from holding Kyle accountable! 2. Production tried desperately to hide Kyle's bad behavior. They never alluded to Kyle's comments until Michael and Brittany decided to expose him, and even when it happened, the edit made Kyle out to be way more sympathetic than he deserved, and it failed to show some of the gross comments he made about the POC houseguests, including calling Joseph a scumbag for trying to defend himself. Even worse, the feeds were down when everything about Kyle's comments was discussed, only showing what was said as an edit. The fact that production tried to make Michael and Brittany out to be the true villains and redeem Kyle is all sorts of wrong, even if they all messed up in this situation! So for those who want to defend Kyle and claim he did nothing wrong, I kindly suggest you rethink that position, because when you take all the facts into account, there is no excuse for how he acted!
OMG I loved the cookout!! I hope to see another alliance just like them in an upcoming season. I hope this time, all white players can achieve such greatness as the cookout did. They could name themselves "The Whiteouts"
@@Dystileryour fundamental misunderstanding of the cookout, combined with your failure to recognize that there is a difference between an all-white alliance and the cookout is absolutely gross, especially when you accuse them of using the Nazi playbook. Make no mistake, there is nothing racist about the cookout, because their goal was to crown the first black winner, not to shun all non-black players. They existed to right a wrong of no black winners for the first 22 seasons. Those who have a problem with the cookout are telling on themselves because they will be outraged about the cookout but not about all the black players who have been mistreated over the years! So thanks for outing yourself and your problematic behaviors 😂
I personally don't think Kyle is racist, but his reasoning for there to be a Cookout 2.0 just didn't make any sense. Terrance and Jasmine both despise Taylor, plus they already voted out both Ameerah and Nicole who are both POC. There was no way a Cookout 2.0 could form at any moment this season.
Wanting to segregate the house based on race is racist. And discriminatory let's call things what they are. He knew it wasnt no cookout 2.0 he literally just wanted to target p.o.c he sat with Terrance as terrance dragged Taylor everyday!!! How TF?!
@@tyraj1879 all because an elder you're related to is racist doesn't mean you are. Hell I had a racist relative still do but i'm not. Plus i 100% agree with you that playing on racial segregation is by default racist which is 100% what the cookout did. He got paranoid in a house all about paranoia. Kyle this season wasn't racist at all. His paranoia got the better of him that is all.
@@lloydm95 the cookout didn't segregate. And it means your inherently racist. Rather you admit it or not. Im not the one related to racist you are. So of course you have that ideology of the cookout being racist it plays into what you learned from your relative's. The all white alliances that happened every season weren't racist. Neither was the cookout. The basis on which kyle tried to form the all white alliance with the sole purpose to come for black people . And admitting that thought process was racist. And apologizing for it . And now your here defending actions he condemned. Yet your not like your relatives 😂
I feel a little bad for the most current Kyle. I understood him being paranoid about a Cookout 2.0 and his mistake was that he kept pushing it. But I do appreciate that the others allowed him to be educated and I really hope there isn’t too much backlash against him when he gets back out into the real world.
I had a whole conversation about “the power in a name” with someone and how you can ALWAYS tell what energy a person is giving based on their name; for example, all Greek-named people have chaotic energy, anyone with a Royal name tend to try and act “a certain way”- and now all Kyles are cursed 🤣
Taylor wouldn’t nom or vote out another black woman. What assumption would you make. It’s problematic to assume that a successful strategy might be tried again? Ffs. This reaction literally makes it impossible to go against an all black alliance.
Kyle's game in a nutshell: When you build a diverse alliance, then build another diverse alliance on top of said alliance to build even more diverse alliance to take out the strategic head of another diverse alliance via a blindside and then target the hated members of said diverse alliance while infiltrating said diverse alliance who builds another diverse alliance with you in it that you're already betraying, then the house splits and you expose your own diverse alliance to frame a member of both your first diverse alliance and pin the blame on them, but also form a counter anti-diverse diverse alliance that's technically diverse because you included a old black man to make it 25% diverse only for all the other members of your diverse alliance to start questioning what happened before and expose how you backstabbed the diverse alliance you built and having both diverse alliances still in the game turn their back on you. You can't make this stuff up. I love Big Brother, this season is nuts.
Kyle Capener did nothing wrong. A successful alliance that steamrolls their season always creates imitators. Keeping an ear to the ground for a potential cookout 2.0 wasn't a bad thing. You could say that Kyle was being paranoid or had a bad read of the game, and that alone could be an argument to get him out. You don't need to act as if he's committed some flavor of blasphemy and immediately assume the worst of him. Creating a precedent where some subjects are simply off the table and will get you punished for simply entertaining the thought is really unhealthy.
The only Kyle I like is the Kyle from Shrek 2. He’s a chad for riding that Carrage and carrying the Fairy God Mother… Oh wait this is a Big Brother video
i really didn't think kyle meant anything racist or malicious by his comment. i just think it was something he said without thinking it couldn't be the case(or at least hope) also and probably the main reason he thought that in the first place is that Joseph,monteand Taylor were very close and during taylors hoh week she mentioned she didn't want to put jasmine up because she was uncomfortable with it even tho jasmine had a clear indication she didn't ike Taylor. that probably made kyle think they were working together all in all i don't think he's a bad person. he seemed like he genuinely didn't realize that his comment comes off with racial bias.we can only hope he learns from this and grows as a person
Im upset since my mom and brother are casual viewers, meanwhile Im watching the 24 hours feeds and on bb twitter getting more updates. Yes its okay to be a casual, however when production decided to show kyles really flawed gameplay and morals, my mom and brother went on this "CANCEL CULTURE" alarm. They said big brother was canceling him for "doing nothing" and also "thinking somewhat correctly". Which is my absolute problem with the editing and production of BBUS now. It had put kyle up on this really weird pedestal, hadn't shown this information earlier in the game, and made me feel like Kyle had this good edit... taylor hadn't. Even after Taylor said that he isn't canceled in her eyes, my mom and brother immediately called it that simply for the fact this information about kyle was completely witheld from the rest of the show. The fact that kyle still has a chance to redeem himself in the future, shows he isn't cancelled, but that he can grow.
not you making Michael the "hero" cuz that is not true. Michael and Brittney sat on the info for 4 weeks and within those 4 weeks encouraged Kyle with this biased alliance. Then ONLY told the other house guest about it for their own game play. All three of them Kyle, Michael and Brittney are wrong period
Kyle Moore in BBCan9 finished in 11th Place because his season had 14 houseguests. Kyle Moore in BBCan10 finished in 13th Place because his season had 16 houseguests.
"Tell me how... Im waiting...." I must admit 2nd/1st Kyle Moore (whichever one you want to call him) he sure did keep his cool with the heat from L I must admit
Turner was in a predicament after Michael and Brittany told him about Kyle. Either keep someone who everyone perceives as racist in the house and be viewed as a racist by America or do Michael’s dirty work for him
Big brother CA looks so weird! It doesn’t look like a house, more like a mall. And why do they arrived so dressed up like they’re going to a nightclub/red carpet?!?! Lol 😆
I really hope that Kyle speaks out against the anti-woke mob that got him in the top 3 for AFP. I also hope that any effort he makes to rebuild the burnt bridge isn’t half assed. The man has a very difficult road ahead of him although it’s a road he put himself on.
I personally don’t think that Kyle has to apologize for anything. If anything he should sue for defamation. I wouldn’t call it the anti woke mob I would call it everyone who is in opposition of the woke mob.
Kyle from this most recent season was one of the saddest evictions from the show that i've seen in a long time. He was my pick,he seems like an amazing person. & even though I felt a little hurt when he did make his assumptions, but then COMMON SENSE kicked in & i was like, "wait! He actually right to speculate that & didn't do or say anything blatantly wrong for him to be treated/'exposed' this way"....i just know there was so much more they could've aired to not throw him under a bus that may effect his life for a very very long time. Smh,curse of the Kyles.
@barr4ckObama240 He did & he admit it. You can't tell his black fans we weren't hurt..we were(if ppl are hurt and offended in a majority, you probably did something a little wrong 😂). But i know he meant no harm & was a great BB contestant & person. So,I'm fine with the truth,he's fine with the truth...now, maybe you can get over it too. 😉
BBCAN8 Kyle was awful, you guys say BB24 Kyle was wrong, but if you watched BBCAN8 before it got canceled then he was WAY worst than BB24 Kyle, because BB24 Kyle may have gotten things all over his head, BBCAN 8 Kyle is absolutely a racist! When I watched BBCAN8 the cast was awful! but Kyle was the worst of them, and what Ethanimale just described of BBCAN8's Kyle was just the tip of the iceberg!
michael clearly is a little performative and only uses issues like racism when it benefits his game and brittany just goes along with whatever michael wants and does. they only exposed it because michael wanted his revenge. i’m glad it did get exposed but it’s weird
They did. Kyle got pushed back from Michael in that first conversation, and later Brittany told Kyle that she doesn’t want to be a part of it as shown on the show. Did you even watch the show? It’s always someone’s fault. Isn’t it?
@@maggie198333 - But not the beginning...They both 100% entertained it but when Kyle pitched to form a counter alliance incase a Cookout alliance did form, that's when Brittany felt it would look bad. Plus, Kyle absolutely stopped suspecting a Cookout alliance weeks before Michael & Brittany "exposed" Kyle. They twisted the truth & made it seem like Kyle was getting out blk people.
@@JZG88 Kyle got pushbacks from Michael during the FIRST conversation when Kyle mentioned Cook Out and named all the POC and named his counter alliance which is consist of all white players. Yes. No but. If you don't believe me, you can go back watch the LF. Kyle also proposed the white counter alliance to Alyssa even though she claimed he never mentioned it to her.
When last video you said about "Kyle having his own separate video" I didn't think of this, like im super shocked, I know people probably know way more of this things but I just don't have the time to watch the series :c
you wouldn’t have seen majority of it even you watched it lol, they hid majority of this until they were forced too and then they showed only the bare minimum and babied kyle
seems there's a lot of mental gymnastics needed to think the CO wasn't racist, but Kyle is for making a pretty obvious observation. An observation that came after Taylor said her peace about not voting out a black woman. this "greater good" narrative doesn't excuse blatant racism. I'm Gen X, so we were taught early to be colorblind and treat everyone equal. I also realize IXK and RD have done great work in propagating the notion of perpetual victimhood. It's everyone's choice. Be a forever victim or realize you're not the center of the universe and the world isn't out to get you. I say that having lost both parents early in my life and as someone who battled back from a heart attack, cancer, and a miscarriage. Life's not fair for anyone. Last year X or Tiffany could've easily won on their own. isn't X's win a little tainted beacuse he had half the house and BB production on his side? I'd rather not win it
You should also look into how “colorblindness” only further upholds racism by turning a blind eye to it. There are lots of articles and literature on the matter ✌️ Also, Survivors bias. You sound like you have been through a lot and have overcome incredible challenges in life and I genuinely hope you are healing from that trauma. You are incredibly strong. Often people turn callous as a way to cope and survive, which is understandable but not an excuse to invalidate others struggles
As a Kyle, I don't think I'll be auditioning for BB any time soon
Use your middle name 😂😂👍🏾
@@blind-sidelocc6052 I said the same thing.
My first name is Daniel, so don't feel too bad. Lol
What I'm MOST surprised about is that we had only ONE Kyle in the ENTIRE series of Big Brother US
The bbcan9/10 Kyle Moore situation is honestly one of the funniest "inside" jokes of BBCAN/US history
Kyle Capener in BB24 managed to do something that all four Kyles in BBCan couldn’t do. Make the jury.
Dang, that applause difference got me. Justice for Joseph. He didn't deserve what happened to him.
I was thinking a jury battle back would be on and then the Kyle fall out happened and now that’s not gonna be happening. Just apart of the game. Joseph got what the non cookout members got
Stay in your safe space, the world is cruel guys
Allegedly, the 25 person audience was told to do anything but boo, so they did nothing, and the only people clapping are producers/cbs staff (according to a tweet I saw so take it with a grain of salt, I’ll try to find the tweet if I can)
"Dang, that applause difference got me. Justice for Joseph. He didn't deserve what happened to him." As our lord and savior Julie Chen reminds us every Thursday, "Welcome to Big Brother." Backstabbing is a commonplace tactic in the game, it happens and nobody "deserves" or doesn't "deserve" it. That's how the game works.
Kyle went far with this. But it is ironic that no one is calling out Taylor for bring up race for not wanting to put up Jasmine. But if Kyle had won and said he didn’t want to put up Alyssa because she was white, the internet would be in a frenzy
You could also do "The blessing of the Kevins on Big Brother" (Kevin Martin, Kevin Jacobs, Kevin from BB11 and the old guy from BB19)
Oh I would love this, they always strike gold with casting Kevin's!!!!!!
I would love that
The big difference here (among others) would be that unlike the Kyles discussed here, the seasons these people played in would all require massive spoilers...
Please do it anyways @Ethanimale, as long as you tag that, no one would begrudge you for it.
OOH I got another one: The Joshes of Big Brother, Bringers of Chaos!
Seriously, you got Josh Souza, the first ever runner-up in Big Brother stateside, Josh Feinberg of BB3, Joshua Welch of BB9 (👎👎), Josh Martinez of BB19 (who already has a video made, but who cares), and then BBCAN has Josh Farnworth and Josh Nash of BBCans 9 and 10 respectively. This is some major clickbait material.
(I don't know anything about Josh Souza's game, never saw his season, but he deserves a shoutout too amongst this group of loudmouths and messy gameplay)
Should I apply for big brother if my name is Kevin
It's kind of surprising that despite how popular of a name Kyle is, there's only been one Kyle in BB US
It’s not actually that common
Man am I happy you showed Kyle Shore's speech after he got evicted, b/c it is basically the antithesis of how much of BBUS has acted over the years. Yes, some very good natured people have been on Big Brother, especially in BB23 and Taylor Hale from this current season, but the fact BBUS has so often been plagued by scandals of prejudice for so many different seasons is really disheartening. So seeing a speech like Kyle Shore's was really uplifting.
And it was so genuine, I can't believe I forgot about him during our initial discussion of Kyle's in BB! He really deserves to be remembered fondly!
Yes Taylor is a good person because….wait what has she done exactly?
@@reidye To answer that question, let's reverse that mentality. What has she done that would be deemed as *awful*? Pretty much nothing. The majority of the house has been cruel to her, either directly or indirectly, and rather than get angry back, which is what most people would do in that situation, she treats these people with at least more respect than they did to her. And not even by default either, which would be easy enough. Even when she took a dig at them, like Nicole during her eviction speech, it comes across less her being spiteful, and more her being kinda playful. When she quotes Rihanna as a superfan, it strikes me as more of a wink to the audience than actual disdain she's showing to the people around her.
No way ultranatic didn’t expect you to be on this vid, I knew you were a fan you had a picture of BB22 in I think a TDA vid and a veto on your wall I’m glad to hear your viewpoint this season and over the years any chance you’d ever make a big brother video?
@@Raccoon-Galaxy17 Been a TH-cam Member of Ethanamimale's for a while now, and proud to be one.
As far as me making a Big Brother video, I can't say for sure if I ever will. I have a lot on my plate, just sticking with Total Drama and Pop Music, so I can't say it'll happen in the near future. However, that doesn't mean I'll never make one, it'll just have to have a special set of circumstances and a freer schedule. The latter which I currently don't have. But you never know.
Ethan...i like your videos but...your take on American Kyle is one of THE BEST TAKES on the whole "Kyle" situation. Actually, not just the Kyle one but the understanding of the motivations behind The Cookout. BRAVO my man. Please explain this for more of the people who keep complaining how The Cookout was racist, how Taylor was racist and how Kyle was simply misunderstood.
I 100% disagree
Kyle 4Life
@@barr4ckObama240nuh uh
Your legit transphobic@@barr4ckObama240
How was the cookout not racist?
i personally would say the cookout is racist if it were to happen again but the reason behind it is what makes it’s completely fine they wanted the first black winner on there season, I dont think Taylor nor Kyle are racist I think taylor was being true to herself the whole season even though her finale speech did seem like if you have something against a woman of colour than youll vote against me but i could be completely wrong on that I really hated this season after what happened to kyle so I may have misread it at the time. Whereas kyle imo didnt say anything that crossed the line he simply pointed out that there could be a cookout as there was last season and some POC said they would never put another POC up so I think he just made a wrong assumption personally I would hold michael more to blame as he held that for weeks and let it go at the perfect time; If you know its that racist why hold onto it for so long and twist the words when you tell people. Its hard to have hope for a good big brother season in the future when everyone is so scared now to be condemned for anything they might say, so to sum it up I personally think none of the parties listed are racist some maybe just misread if you look at bb15 and some other seasons these people are all saints lol
anyone gonna talk about how kyle is 29 and unemployed? like when i first saw him i thoight he was like 22-23. and him being this naive at his age just means its gonna be awhile before he actuallt matures
I know this comment is old but I'm gonna assume his family being mormon had an influence
@@ezentsy3329that makes so much sense since he’s from utah and he’s “never been to a bar” which is a weird excuse to justify your prejudice. like brother, you can be sober and have life experiences.
I think you’re the only person who can explain the Kyle Capener situation perfectly. Thank you bro
Agreed 100%
Felt bad for Kyle he was just a blabbermouth, any fan of BB would always be on the lookout for another cookout.
@@peenoice5176 did u even watch the video
@@ezentsy3329 did you?
@@peenoice5176you clearly didn’t because you missed the point entirely.
The cookout was formed based on the goal of crowning the first black winner, they didn’t just say “hey we are all black so we have to work together!”
Because the goal of the cookout was achieved, there will never be another cookout, and any fears for another one happening are misplaced and unjustified!
That is why your comment is off base!
I felt so shitty when Monte teared up, you can tell how the whole situation affected him negatively
Hi, it's the person who found the wrong Kyle Moore here! I'll never forget the day that happened. I was frantically searching through Twitter to find his account, and I felt confident it was him because he was a white man from Canada who liked the hockey. Clearly, I didn't do a very good job going beyond that, lmao. I did not expect that to spread through BB Twitter as much as it did. People's default answer has always been "Oh, BB Twitter collectively found Kyle" but I truly believe if it wasn't for me, none of that would've happened!! Maybe someone else would've found the wrong account later, but we'll never know. At least BBCAN10 Kyle thanked me for finding him after things died down. It's such a silly thing to reminisce about, but I'm kind of proud myself for making an impact on BBCAN history. Thanks for showing my tweet!
I'm not even mad, that's amazing!
One segment to consider is the curse of the Unemployed Houseguest.
I don’t know if Canada has had HGs with Unemployed as their occupation, but in BB US we have Jessie (BB15), Zack (BB16), and Kyle (BB24). All three players make it to the jury but somehow end up becoming the 3rd or 4th jury member due to bad gameplay.
On BBCAN10, Summer was listed as unemployed and was the 4th juror, so you might be onto something…
I forgot one more from BB US: Frank (BB14). He was a power player and was America’s Favorite HG that season. But he ultimately became the 3rd juror that season.
@@AV-jh2ssfrank in the carrot costume with the title ‘unemployed’ in the confessionals kills me every rewatch ⚰️
Kyle Moore BBCAN10 was such a messy player and I love him for it. Gave us one of the most entertaining weeks in a phenomenal season and none of his messiness was icky or problematic, it was just bad gameplay.
Yeah that was refreshing to see. From a Kyle lmao
The devin/Frenchie of BBCAN. Hopefully bbcan11 is an all star season and we get him back
He actually ha been pushing a cookout type alliance was going on as well, which is why Moose then Josh were his targets. Marty took reign of that when he left pushing the poc were together
yeah, he wasn't unlikable, and you honestly hated to see him mess up because he really seemed like a good guy who could have made it fun. At least his flameout was spectacular to watch!
@@JRJuggernaut1 yep, I wanted him to do well simply because of his casting story. Wasn’t too upset that he went early because of how spectacular his flameout truly was
I feel like Kyle Capener is the perfect representation of people who got caught in their feelings over being angry about The Cookout alliance and swore "if I got on Big Brother, i'd make an all white alliance!" lol
I'd like to know how you would vote each season if you were a jury member
Different TH-camr, but TheMeranianReview has done a video on this (though it’s a bit outdated because it’s a couple years old and missing a couple seasons
this
He would vote for josh...
Every season
Nice idea, honestly. For BB9, I'd actually be very interested to know if he would be team Adam or team Ryan, and why.
Me:
2 - Will
3 - Danielle
4 - Alison
5 - Drew
6 - Maggie
7 - Boogie
8 - Dani
9 - Adam
10 - Dan
11 - Jordan
12 - Hayden
13 - Rachel? Idk
14 - Dan
15 - Andy
16 - Derrick
17 - Liz
18 - Nicole F
19 - Josh
20 - Tyler
21 - Holly
22 - Cody
23 - Xavier
CBB1 - Ross
CBB2 - Tamar
CBB3 - Miesha
BBOTT - Morgan
While it's not really my job to appreciate it, I think it's great that you give Kyle all the credit he deserves for recognizing what he did, but are still very sure to say that doesn't mean he's off the hook, or his actions are forgiven, or that there won't be repercussions on the outside. I hope this can serve as a reminder to people (very much including myself) to continue learning and unlearning and educating ourselves on how to do better, and treat people equittably.
I appreciate that he realized what he did. It’s not that people aren’t willing to forgive, they just want him to see how his impacts affected other black people in the house (and even joseph/indy). i think after the season, he’ll have a lot of time to deeply reflect and change fully
@@User-vd9hr I want to believe that but we all said that about Aaryn and she never truly changed after she left the house, same with Ginamarie. It also doesn't help that many think that while Kyle was crying in the DR room after being confronted, he was coached on what to say in response. It makes me wonder how much he truly understands what he did wrong, something we have seen with many of the evicted houseguests this season. I hope that he grows from the experience, but I am also annoyed at CBS for all the ways they mishandled this situation and how much the casual viewers won't see any of this!
@@JRJuggernaut1 Ahh very good points! It's good to be cautious with outright supporting Kyle, because we truly haven't actually seen how he'll act post-season, so it's good to wait and see.
And yes ughhhhh, I really wish CBS would be open and upfront when stuff like this happens, instead of waiting for the last possible moment to bring stuff up, and not even actually bringing up some of the more egregious stuff!!
If you can give us that overstuffed 2 hour episode, you can be open anout ypur houseguests' racism :/
@@TRGOTSVODS The most egregious part of CBS's mishandling was how they tried to make Michael and Brittany look worse than Kyle. Regardless of how much Michael and Brittany screwed up, it's insulting to make it seem like they ruined the season or that they twisted what Kyle said. it's infuriating how many takes I have seen along those lines. Kyle messed up, and Michael and Brittany should not have enabled his behaviors, but they were right to expose him and his actions were not taken out of proportion!
No chance they got two Kyle Moores in Canada 😭
I personally didn’t understand Kyle’s thinking that a cookout 2.0 existed because the house dynamics didn’t make sense for that to happen. I could see that being a worry in maybe the first or second week because of how successful that alliance was in the previous season, but after seeing the whole house going against Taylor, Terrance being put on the block every other week, and Monte being your closest ally, it didn’t really make a lot of sense.
I will say in his defense Taylor’s HOH was pretty bad with her changing the target every 5 minutes, and Kyle not being included in a lot of those conversations about the plans didn’t help things. However, the fact he through in Indy to that group even though she was really pissed at Taylor and wanted to make an all white alliance is the most damning for him in the end.
>I will say in his defense Taylor’s HOH was pretty bad with her changing the target every 5 minutes
Yes, Taylor said she wouldn't eliminate a black woman which raised some eyebrows but Taylor's first target was Terrance before other members of the leftovers started trying to change her mind to evict Indy instead. Kyle knowing that Terrance was Taylor's first target should also be more reason a Cookout 2.0 doesn't exist. Even if Joseph Taylor and Monte were possibly forming together to create an alliance that still isn't a Cookout 2.0 and doesn't warrant trying to recruit every white houseguest. He was just dumb and let his biases (whether subconscious or conscious) get in the way of logic.
This is why allowing the Cookout last year was dumb, it created a prejudice. Kyle may have been in the wrong, but it did happen last year. The production let a race-based alliance win a season for representation, but failed to see to consequences for years to come. I really hope race is not going be a recurrent topic. And, when you hear Taylor talking about black women... why black? and how much black is not okay? This race rhetoric is none sense and needs to stop. Aren't we against discrimination?
@@HMaxQc 100% agreed. They need to ban race based alliances altogether. If they had done that before this season started, this whole thing either wouldn't have been an issue OR Kyle would have actually deserved the "racist" accusations.
As it is, I mostly blame the producers 🤷
@@HMaxQc i hope u were this upset about the 20+ other seasons that had all white alliances
@@t.7746 Taylor's target changing wasn't even her doing. It was Brittney's.
You can find Kyle's behavior problematic while also finding the way Michael and Brittany conveniently weaponized their conversation from three weeks ago as equally problematic. It's a very thin line between gameplay and outside society that I'm probably not the person to speak on.
It was the best game move at that point.
Britney probably wouldn’t have brought it up if it wasn’t for Kyle denying all the stuff he said in the Bathroom when it was 1 on 1. Also Atleast Micheal and Britney told everyone instead of not saying anything.
Did micheal share it because he is a good person? Nope! He shared it because it bought him one more number.
Yep. If Michael and Brittany really were as upset about Kyle’s comments as they say they were, they would have said something the minute they heard it. The fact that they waited kind of showed their hand. Was it a good move for Michael? It’s still unknown right now. But, either way, I just hope that Kyle grows from this and becomes a better person.
It was better to tell than to keep silent forever, so idc
@@DM-wb1fn It was a good game move, just bad optics. Look at Terrance for example. When he said that he should've sent Joseph out based on the info it's true, since had he known about the info before his HOH he wouldn't have bothered saving Kyle. Now, he had to send his own number home, destorying his game, and now it's very likely he's gonna be sent out by the people who essentially weaponized his race.
No name has taken a hit as hard in the last two years as the name Kyle.
Karen??
Your views on Kyle & the comments made was spot on!! I’m an African American woman and this is exactly what I was saying about the situation. You can’t assume a cookout would form again when the goal of the cookout was to finally crown a black winner. They did that, and helped open the conversation for unconscious biases brought to the game to be erased.
Knowing that Jasmin & Terrence did not like Taylor and that Nicole was a bully to her & Amariah(sorry idk how to spell) was gone and never working with Taylor was clear sigh s that there were not an alliance. Then to assume Joseph & Indy would be in it soley because they’re poc when the cookout was all black to ensure a black winner, was just chaotic thinking. I don’t think he hates poc, but he’s not very smart about these things, is quite ignorant & sheltered. Hopefully he learns and actually educates himself over the course of years throughout his life. Because unchecked micro aggressions can become dangerous overtime.
Knowing Im only one letter away from being a Kyle is a little intimidating.
🤣
My man, you've got it mixed up. Kylers are the boogimen that sleep under the beds of Kyles... You're not only one letter away from them, they're only one letter away from YOU
After watching this when you were talking about BB CAN and BB USA made me think about what would be a potential dream season that would be sick is Canada Vs USA all stars, they can take 8 player from both BB CAN and BB USA and play it out. I’m Canadian so I would have to side with team Canada but BB US was what made me fall in love with this show.
My view point on Kyle is that he did what they said he did. Making him a victim does not prevent this from ever happening again. So what Brit and Michael used this as game, the fact of the matter is that Kyle gave them this bone. Those are two different situations that are not comparable.
thank you for explaining the bb24 kyle situation better, it wasn't fully clear from the edits how it was, but this helped. i didn't remember much of the cookout or why they formed but again this clarified what they did and why its so different
“Fundamental misinterpretation of the cookout in general”
Perfectly Put
:Bravo
Not really, making an alliance using race as reference and for the sole reason of putting a chosen race first place is pointless since the win isn't earned. So a second cookout is possible because it is equally pointless.
@@peenoice5176did you miss any history classes?
@@Jackdwling did you?
@@peenoice5176 racism towards poc has a history, it’s not rocket science
@@peenoice5176 When Taylor told she won't eliminate a black woman it was ok but otherwise it was racism? US people are strange... Racism works both ways and Taylor was extremely racist and focused on being a first black woman to win BB, focusing entirely on her race, nothing else.
AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENED TO THE KYLE IN BB25
Edit: Yes I know his name is Luke, BUT HE LOOKS LIKE AN EVIL VERSION OF KYLE FROM LAST SEASON!!
The average placement for players with the name Kevin in North America is
4.6 place
So like the thing with Kyle for me is that its kinda weird how he said he had unconscious thoughts about the minorities and stuff, but then in the leftovers 3 of the 7 members in the leftovers were minorities. This is even when Kyle had the biggest hand in putting this alliance together.
Although Kyle has somewhat admitted to being racist, he also did some good things in the house (like protecting Taylor when it came to bullying and stuff) but also has done some very bad stuff in the house. I definitely think he can grow as a person and become better, and if Kyle can prove he's grown as a person then I would be willing to forgive his actions. I feel like thats a unpopular opinion right now though as most people act like you cannot change as a person.
Everyone in the house is saying what you said. I think most people are waiting to see what he’s like outside of the show.. back in his “bubble”
Also, having unconscious biases doesn’t mean you won’t use poc to further your game by aligning with them. It means even after all the loyalty that was proven to him especially by Monte, Kyle still couldn’t fully trust him back and planned on backstabbing him
@@eclecticsteak Thats why I wanna see if he will actually grow as a person. Taylor said she would recommend some books and help Kyle be educated.
I have a very similar opinion about Kyle capener to you. I don’t think he is a bad person. He has racial biased and showed micro aggressions. This can be fixed with time. I also believe the he was truly sorry for the statements. He should be held accountable but what most people fail to understand is that there is a huge difference between being held accountable and being punished. Kyle I imagine went through hell on social media after bb24.
Another day being grateful to not be named Kyle
as a kyle who has been watching big brother my whole life... i just feel i need to go on and reverse the curse! (cue me getting first boot)
It is hilarious. Bbcan 10 Kyle Moore was on a lot of people's top picks to win the season. How embarrassing for them lol. Who had the worst hoh reign? Bbcan 10 Kyle or erratic Frenchie? That's a tough one.
It's tough but I'd say BBCAN 10 Kyle because Frenchie at least didn't put up his closest allies for no real reason.
“I’ve never been to a bar…” man whatever… Eff Kyle. He’s so easy to see through its embarrassing.
The guy was freaking out about people labeling him a racist, both inside AND outside the house...
People tend to say anything and everything in desperate situations
mans acting like a bar is the only place you’ll see black people
I got the gift of one liners and you’ve got the curse of Kyle
I’ve been meaning to suggest something like this! I’d love to see a “Successes and Failures of _____” I feel like there have been a bunch of Nicoles and Rachels
Joseph had SO MANY Fans I love it
It was stupid but it makes perfect sense why on the season post the cookout a recruit would worry
About a 2.0 forming
Most mind-blowing is that there has only been 1 Kyle in 24 seasons of BBUSA
It always sends me when Arisa did the fake out for the Steph vote 💀
12:56... So incredibly well stated, and thank you for saying it. Really great channel you got here bud.
The way you’re my new favorite TH-camr now these videos are everything
The Kyle and Adel stuff from BBCan2 was lovely at least.
Kyle from BBCan10 was unbelievable. I was even rooting for him but for making so many bad moves in just a week, it feels so crazy watching that.
Awe the first Kyle is so sweet!!
As a Canadian who watches both the Canadian and American versions of Big Brother I always appreciate seeing both show up in your videos. I am genuinely curious on your take for Big Brother Canada 11
Actually pretty high on it! Quite chaotic, and if you have an open mind there's so much to enjoy from it
Kyle Moore in BBCAN10 was actually my second favourite in that season. He was so messy, and it made the show entertaining. Yes, I know he’s a bad player.
Sooo if anyone ever goes on big brother don't align yourself with a Kyle
You can align with Kyle, but one of your HoH's will get used on getting him out
Can u do a video on biggest “bitter juries” in Big Brother?
Imo bitterest juries:
-BB2
-BB3
-BB4
-BB8
-BB14
-BB19
-BB20
-CBB1
-CBB3
Ethanimale,. thank you for everything you do. If there is one thing I appreciate, it's how well you tackle the more controversial social issues in BB. When it came to the cookout, you were able to recognize what amazing achievement it was, and not the racist event that people falsely make it out to be. When it comes to the Kyle Capener situation, I am glad you provided the same accurate insight here too! The thing is, I am appalled by all the people who claim Kyle did nothing wrong, whether it's because they think Kyle was justified in what he did due to the cookout (wrongfully) being racist, or because they felt his words were taken out of context, which they weren't. Look even as a cisgender white male, I am fully aware of how problematic Kyle's comments were, and it's insane to think that he did nothing wrong knowing he made several questionable assumptions during this season. If you think the cookout is racist but have not condemned the microaggressions that made it nearly impossible for Black players to win before season 23, please reevaluate your positions. If you think Kyle did nothing wrong, than you are either being disingenuous, or you don't follow the feeds, because assuming a cookout 2.0 is happening based on zero evidence and proposing an all white alliance to combat it is beyond problematic. That being said, a couple additional points from that season:
1. Michael and Brittany are being framed as worse than Kyle and while they definitely should have come clean with this info sooner, they are not worse than Kyle in any way. The fact that people think they are ruining Kyle's life is also absurd, because being held accountable will not ruin his life. Hell, even someone like Aaryn, who was arguably worse in BB15, she is supposedly worse now and she still has a life and career, so clearly he'll be fine either way. There is a conversation to be had surrounding Michael and Brittany's bad acts, but that should not take away from holding Kyle accountable!
2. Production tried desperately to hide Kyle's bad behavior. They never alluded to Kyle's comments until Michael and Brittany decided to expose him, and even when it happened, the edit made Kyle out to be way more sympathetic than he deserved, and it failed to show some of the gross comments he made about the POC houseguests, including calling Joseph a scumbag for trying to defend himself. Even worse, the feeds were down when everything about Kyle's comments was discussed, only showing what was said as an edit. The fact that production tried to make Michael and Brittany out to be the true villains and redeem Kyle is all sorts of wrong, even if they all messed up in this situation!
So for those who want to defend Kyle and claim he did nothing wrong, I kindly suggest you rethink that position, because when you take all the facts into account, there is no excuse for how he acted!
Exactly this. Well said.
OMG I loved the cookout!! I hope to see another alliance just like them in an upcoming season. I hope this time, all white players can achieve such greatness as the cookout did. They could name themselves "The Whiteouts"
@@Dystileryour fundamental misunderstanding of the cookout, combined with your failure to recognize that there is a difference between an all-white alliance and the cookout is absolutely gross, especially when you accuse them of using the Nazi playbook.
Make no mistake, there is nothing racist about the cookout, because their goal was to crown the first black winner, not to shun all non-black players. They existed to right a wrong of no black winners for the first 22 seasons. Those who have a problem with the cookout are telling on themselves because they will be outraged about the cookout but not about all the black players who have been mistreated over the years!
So thanks for outing yourself and your problematic behaviors 😂
I personally don't think Kyle is racist, but his reasoning for there to be a Cookout 2.0 just didn't make any sense. Terrance and Jasmine both despise Taylor, plus they already voted out both Ameerah and Nicole who are both POC. There was no way a Cookout 2.0 could form at any moment this season.
He's inherently racist. As he spoke about his grandma being racist.
Wanting to segregate the house based on race is racist. And discriminatory let's call things what they are. He knew it wasnt no cookout 2.0 he literally just wanted to target p.o.c he sat with Terrance as terrance dragged Taylor everyday!!! How TF?!
@@tyraj1879 all because an elder you're related to is racist doesn't mean you are. Hell I had a racist relative still do but i'm not. Plus i 100% agree with you that playing on racial segregation is by default racist which is 100% what the cookout did. He got paranoid in a house all about paranoia. Kyle this season wasn't racist at all. His paranoia got the better of him that is all.
@@lloydm95 the cookout didn't segregate. And it means your inherently racist. Rather you admit it or not. Im not the one related to racist you are. So of course you have that ideology of the cookout being racist it plays into what you learned from your relative's. The all white alliances that happened every season weren't racist. Neither was the cookout. The basis on which kyle tried to form the all white alliance with the sole purpose to come for black people . And admitting that thought process was racist. And apologizing for it . And now your here defending actions he condemned. Yet your not like your relatives 😂
@@tyraj1879 I can’t believe you used that yellow skin emoji, is your grandma racist?
kyle is too blame, no doubt, but i still find it extremely convenient for when micheal and brittany decided to share this information.
This just made me realize that what happened to Joseph happens to so many POC folks on Big Brother. Too often! 😢
I feel a little bad for the most current Kyle. I understood him being paranoid about a Cookout 2.0 and his mistake was that he kept pushing it. But I do appreciate that the others allowed him to be educated and I really hope there isn’t too much backlash against him when he gets back out into the real world.
I just wish houseguests could give Taylor the benefit of the doubt as much as they give Kyle. Ahem Terrance
Kyle Moore’s 😂 that’s sooo funny!
I had a whole conversation about “the power in a name” with someone and how you can ALWAYS tell what energy a person is giving based on their name; for example, all Greek-named people have chaotic energy, anyone with a Royal name tend to try and act “a certain way”- and now all Kyles are cursed 🤣
I'm really hoping you're just kidding around 😂
I would love to see more name based videos.
Kyle Shore is by far my favorite kyle! 💙
this is such a creative video topic, you never miss
Kyle did nothing wrong in my opinion at all whatsoever.
joseph > kyle
Taylor wouldn’t nom or vote out another black woman. What assumption would you make. It’s problematic to assume that a successful strategy might be tried again? Ffs.
This reaction literally makes it impossible to go against an all black alliance.
After watching your 3rd HOH video, it's hilarious how much Kyle Moore stunk at his BBCAN10 reign. I was rooting for him too, what a shame.
Well damn, I was gonna make a “Fuck you, Shoresy!” joke but it’s been a few years since I watched BBCAN2 and I forgot how sweet he was there.
I was so ecstatic when BB24 Kyle got evicted!
Kyle's game in a nutshell: When you build a diverse alliance, then build another diverse alliance on top of said alliance to build even more diverse alliance to take out the strategic head of another diverse alliance via a blindside and then target the hated members of said diverse alliance while infiltrating said diverse alliance who builds another diverse alliance with you in it that you're already betraying, then the house splits and you expose your own diverse alliance to frame a member of both your first diverse alliance and pin the blame on them, but also form a counter anti-diverse diverse alliance that's technically diverse because you included a old black man to make it 25% diverse only for all the other members of your diverse alliance to start questioning what happened before and expose how you backstabbed the diverse alliance you built and having both diverse alliances still in the game turn their back on you.
You can't make this stuff up. I love Big Brother, this season is nuts.
Kyle Capener did nothing wrong. A successful alliance that steamrolls their season always creates imitators. Keeping an ear to the ground for a potential cookout 2.0 wasn't a bad thing. You could say that Kyle was being paranoid or had a bad read of the game, and that alone could be an argument to get him out. You don't need to act as if he's committed some flavor of blasphemy and immediately assume the worst of him.
Creating a precedent where some subjects are simply off the table and will get you punished for simply entertaining the thought is really unhealthy.
The only Kyle I like is the Kyle from Shrek 2.
He’s a chad for riding that Carrage and carrying the Fairy God Mother…
Oh wait this is a Big Brother video
i really didn't think kyle meant anything racist or malicious by his comment. i just think it was something he said without thinking it couldn't be the case(or at least hope) also and probably the main reason he thought that in the first place is that Joseph,monteand Taylor were very close and during taylors hoh week she mentioned she didn't want to put jasmine up because she was uncomfortable with it even tho jasmine had a clear indication she didn't ike Taylor. that probably made kyle think they were working together
all in all i don't think he's a bad person. he seemed like he genuinely didn't realize that his comment comes off with racial bias.we can only hope he learns from this and grows as a person
Kyle: Mr Believes His Own Lies while Incapable of Troubleshooting why it doesn’t make sense
-4 + 7 means he still had position
Im upset since my mom and brother are casual viewers, meanwhile Im watching the 24 hours feeds and on bb twitter getting more updates. Yes its okay to be a casual, however when production decided to show kyles really flawed gameplay and morals, my mom and brother went on this "CANCEL CULTURE" alarm. They said big brother was canceling him for "doing nothing" and also "thinking somewhat correctly". Which is my absolute problem with the editing and production of BBUS now. It had put kyle up on this really weird pedestal, hadn't shown this information earlier in the game, and made me feel like Kyle had this good edit... taylor hadn't.
Even after Taylor said that he isn't canceled in her eyes, my mom and brother immediately called it that simply for the fact this information about kyle was completely witheld from the rest of the show. The fact that kyle still has a chance to redeem himself in the future, shows he isn't cancelled, but that he can grow.
All these Kyles finding new and bizarre ways to become spectacular disasters on Big Brother really give me "Dopefish" vibes.
not you making Michael the "hero" cuz that is not true. Michael and Brittney sat on the info for 4 weeks and within those 4 weeks encouraged Kyle with this biased alliance. Then ONLY told the other house guest about it for their own game play. All three of them Kyle, Michael and Brittney are wrong period
Ethanmale you are the best big brother TH-camr shhh 🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫DONT TELL PERIDIUM
as someone who almost married a kyle: thats how they be. no luck. super bad at making good deciions.
Kyle bb24 was anakin in episode III and again I've always said that's giving him too much credit hahaha
Can we get a video on the curses of Matt's?
Kyle Moore in BBCan9 finished in 11th Place because his season had 14 houseguests. Kyle Moore in BBCan10 finished in 13th Place because his season had 16 houseguests.
I'm still pissed about the split house twist sending Joseph out btw
they had to do it the one season I like the majority alliance
You should do the history of showmances voting each other off as your next video
"Tell me how... Im waiting...." I must admit 2nd/1st Kyle Moore (whichever one you want to call him) he sure did keep his cool with the heat from L I must admit
Turner was an idiot to put Kyle on the block, I would have put Monty up, Taylor goes home, and Kyle, Turner, Alyssa and Terrance are all still there
Turner was in a predicament after Michael and Brittany told him about Kyle. Either keep someone who everyone perceives as racist in the house and be viewed as a racist by America or do Michael’s dirty work for him
@@Ethang1103 nobody thought he was racist, they even said it
ok karen so you loved hid racial tones is obvious
In BBCAN they love casting Kyles lol
no your viewpoint is the correct viewpoint 🙂
There's always a Kyle, Alyssa, and Nicole
Big brother CA looks so weird! It doesn’t look like a house, more like a mall. And why do they arrived so dressed up like they’re going to a nightclub/red carpet?!?! Lol 😆
Big Brother literally made a video about racist things Kyle has said. Boy are they taking anything anynody says to make a profit.
18:47 BEST CLIPS OF THE SEASON
love joseph
if i had a nickel for every racist kyle on north american bb i would have 2 nickels which isn't much, but it's weird it happened twice
I really hope that Kyle speaks out against the anti-woke mob that got him in the top 3 for AFP. I also hope that any effort he makes to rebuild the burnt bridge isn’t half assed. The man has a very difficult road ahead of him although it’s a road he put himself on.
I personally don’t think that Kyle has to apologize for anything. If anything he should sue for defamation. I wouldn’t call it the anti woke mob I would call it everyone who is in opposition of the woke mob.
@@barr4ckObama240 You’re just looking to argue a point you know you’re making just to be annoying 👉🏻🚪
@@justschr I’m not the only one who thinks this. How did he get top 3 afp?
@@barr4ckObama240 You may not be but just because you’re able to find a group of people who agree with you doesn’t mean you’re right.
@@justschr it doesn’t mean that Kyle’s in the wrong
Kyle from this most recent season was one of the saddest evictions from the show that i've seen in a long time. He was my pick,he seems like an amazing person. & even though I felt a little hurt when he did make his assumptions, but then COMMON SENSE kicked in & i was like, "wait! He actually right to speculate that & didn't do or say anything blatantly wrong for him to be treated/'exposed' this way"....i just know there was so much more they could've aired to not throw him under a bus that may effect his life for a very very long time. Smh,curse of the Kyles.
Kyle is awesome he’s my favorite he did nothing wrong
@barr4ckObama240 He did & he admit it. You can't tell his black fans we weren't hurt..we were(if ppl are hurt and offended in a majority, you probably did something a little wrong 😂). But i know he meant no harm & was a great BB contestant & person. So,I'm fine with the truth,he's fine with the truth...now, maybe you can get over it too. 😉
BBCAN8 Kyle was awful, you guys say BB24 Kyle was wrong, but if you watched BBCAN8 before it got canceled then he was WAY worst than BB24 Kyle, because BB24 Kyle may have gotten things all over his head, BBCAN 8 Kyle is absolutely a racist! When I watched BBCAN8 the cast was awful! but Kyle was the worst of them, and what Ethanimale just described of BBCAN8's Kyle was just the tip of the iceberg!
Wouldn’t it be nice if one day a genuinely good Kyle won a Big Brother season?
Kyle’s cookout theory was stupid, but Michael and Brittany never tried to talk him out of it.
michael clearly is a little performative and only uses issues like racism when it benefits his game and brittany just goes along with whatever michael wants and does. they only exposed it because michael wanted his revenge. i’m glad it did get exposed but it’s weird
They did. Kyle got pushed back from Michael in that first conversation, and later Brittany told Kyle that she doesn’t want to be a part of it as shown on the show. Did you even watch the show? It’s always someone’s fault. Isn’t it?
@@maggie198333 - But not the beginning...They both 100% entertained it but when Kyle pitched to form a counter alliance incase a Cookout alliance did form, that's when Brittany felt it would look bad. Plus, Kyle absolutely stopped suspecting a Cookout alliance weeks before Michael & Brittany "exposed" Kyle. They twisted the truth & made it seem like Kyle was getting out blk people.
@@JZG88 Kyle got pushbacks from Michael during the FIRST conversation when Kyle mentioned Cook Out and named all the POC and named his counter alliance which is consist of all white players. Yes. No but. If you don't believe me, you can go back watch the LF. Kyle also proposed the white counter alliance to Alyssa even though she claimed he never mentioned it to her.
When last video you said about "Kyle having his own separate video" I didn't think of this, like im super shocked, I know people probably know way more of this things but I just don't have the time to watch the series :c
you wouldn’t have seen majority of it even you watched it lol, they hid majority of this until they were forced too and then they showed only the bare minimum and babied kyle
@@de-niall oh, I think that makes a ton more of sense now, thanks stranger.
Great video as always.
seems there's a lot of mental gymnastics needed to think the CO wasn't racist, but Kyle is for making a pretty obvious observation. An observation that came after Taylor said her peace about not voting out a black woman. this "greater good" narrative doesn't excuse blatant racism. I'm Gen X, so we were taught early to be colorblind and treat everyone equal. I also realize IXK and RD have done great work in propagating the notion of perpetual victimhood. It's everyone's choice. Be a forever victim or realize you're not the center of the universe and the world isn't out to get you. I say that having lost both parents early in my life and as someone who battled back from a heart attack, cancer, and a miscarriage. Life's not fair for anyone. Last year X or Tiffany could've easily won on their own. isn't X's win a little tainted beacuse he had half the house and BB production on his side? I'd rather not win it
No, it didn’t. He mentioned it before Taylor’s HOH. You obviously don’t watch feeds, so maybe fact-check first.
You should also look into how “colorblindness” only further upholds racism by turning a blind eye to it. There are lots of articles and literature on the matter ✌️
Also, Survivors bias. You sound like you have been through a lot and have overcome incredible challenges in life and I genuinely hope you are healing from that trauma. You are incredibly strong. Often people turn callous as a way to cope and survive, which is understandable but not an excuse to invalidate others struggles
Can you make a video of how popular the letter j is among house guest or how we have had so many Williams and Michaels