LEGO 10317 Land Rover Defender 90 build variations, features and comparison - review part 2
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- This is the second part of my detailed review about the 10317 Icons Classic Land Rover Defender 90. This episode is about the presentation and testing of all the features, the different build options, some measurements and tests, a comparison with other Creator Expert vehicles, some cool background information from the designer himself and my final verdict.
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Yes he is by far the best lego reviewer
🙋♂️ me too. Love RacingBrick. In depth, honest & funny
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I really like the way you give your fair opinion on these set, and take all your pro's and con's in consideration before buying a set, thank you for that...
You could change your name from Balasz to Balanced because your opinions are always so sensible, accurate, thorough, and they consider every possible angle and point of view. Keep doing your excellent work! 😊
Just as a kind FYI - it's written Balazs (Balázs) like as it is in my name too :)
@@andras.89 Sorry 😅
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No worries at all :) It happens - I get 8 out of 10 e-mails written to "BalaSZ" instead of Balazs :)
@@andras.89 I'm quite familiar with the name and with Hungarian pronunciation (I'm from Slovakia, hello) but I still get it wrong half of the time 😁
A good review, balanced and fair, and I think that Lego(and the designer) have really captured the iconic look of a Landrover Defender within the constraints of the bricks/materials available to them. If I was to be picky, I would have preferred the original, Series 1 Landrover, but that apart, it is a set that I would like to own and build. The biggest sticking point is the price, and the current £210 UK price tag makes this unaffordable at the present time. That said, I bought the Technic Ford GT, which was reduced to £89.99 by one online retailer, and it us a fantastic set that has many build features and even at its original Lego Store price was, I feel, priced appropriately.😮
I actually think they would do another series 1 (they have new gen defender, kindve late 80s / 90s defender, so doing a series 1 would make sense.
Thank you again for remaining objective, showing off all its strengths and weaknesses fairly without dwelling on one more than others
My dad is a huge fan of the Defender, he even owns that particular model, but in real life size! He had him for 20 years now. His bday is coming up soon and I will pick it up for him, looks like an excellent present for his 55th bday gift. Price is a bit high for my taste, especially in polish currency. Euro to PLN ratio isn't 5.0, but Lego does it at 5.0, which makes it a bit more expensive for us, tho managable. I'm more of a technic guy, so I prefer to put my money into those builds, but that Defender looks fantastic.
Awesome review, I absolutely love this channel and the approach to test every aspect of each LEGO set and all of angles are always covered. Thanks!
I absolutely love this set.
The play in the steering is realistic to the real thing
I love these icons cars, they really got into their stride the 68 Mustang, complex and well detailed mixes of Technic and system that can form multiple different versions of iconic vehicles
Once again an excellent, entertaining and informative review. Thanks
The cool thing is that the lego models could easily be improved by its owners. You showed us so many hints and winks. E.g. zetros…. Keep up the good work. Maybe the defender could get more attention if the color is tan. Ok, a connection to a cigarette brand isn’t helpful. But the camel trophy was a cool event.
The review is really good, even though I have the technical version, the new set looks more real and accurate in my opinion, the technical set that looks more like a toy than a display model, there is no doubt that Lego did something exceptional here
Just picked this set up today. So excited to put it on display!
Great overview and comparisons. Didn't expect it to scale much larger than the Classic pickup truck, but the height for it is impressively good. Also loved the many alterations that can be done. Didn't know the roll bar could be used without the top for a jungle explore look which IMO is really cool. Suspension also is a great inclusion though it looks somewhat messy/incomplete from the bottom. Definitely going to get this one at reduced price at some point. Going to get either the DeLorean or the Technic Ford GT before this one to rack up some VIP points.
Yes, it seems very fragile. But that would be something you build for just display. Very nicely detailed for it size. As you mentioned, get its bigger brother or the Traxxas to play with. As always, your builds and opinions are greatly appreciated.
I always watch your channel when im bored. I love your content ❤
Honestly , I´m positively surprised by the level of sophistication of the suspension. I would have expected a live axle layout with the spring/shock absorber unit, but not the trailing arm part. As always your analysis is concise and fair. After I got the Technic New Defender for 125 Euros on discount the overall value of the "Icons" classic version isn´t that great. But there is stil the chance to observe the price development and if it starts growing on me over time.
I just purchased the Defender set yesterday, started it last night, and got to bag 5. I'm really pleased with it so far. I also have the Technic version. I do like how they have managed to combine some technic elements and system build on the new one to allow some suppension and steering for a more realistic model. They both have faults, and nothing is perfect, referring to the annoying blue connectors on the technic version when it's a green ish model. Surely it's time lego could colour match them. As for this set, yes, it's system, and you do have to not handle it so hard or bits fall off. But these days, sets of both technic and system aimed at adults mainly end up as display peices and sit on shelves anyway, so I don't see the issues.
But if you're into the Lego cars of either system or technic, then this Classic Defender 90 is a must-have. It's going to look fantastic next to my technic version.
Like you hidden sets find, especially the open version within the scaffolding. Might have to get a second set!!!
Really detailed and nice review. Thank you!
Love from Hungary, comrade! 🇭🇺
‘If you turn the steering wheel, sooner or later the steering will respond’ is a pretty accurate description of the real defender as well.
Videos like these are helpful. Helps me decide if I should get it or not. This one is on my wish list. Thanks.
One detail I think that could’ve been a nice addition to the classic mode was benches instead of the full chairs in the back. Easy addition to make but still
6:10 Me and my 4yo daughter find that Duplo figures fit pretty nicely in Creator Expert vehicles, they look pretty cute lol
With the exception of the Time Machine, this is easily my favorite Icons-/Creator-Expert-scale car. It's like a revival of the Model Team sets back in the days...
There is another version you could do as well. Keep the spare wheel on the hood of the car and take the back off it look good
Best lego channel on TH-cam
i like how unique lookin' & i assume cheap this looks honestly with excellent speed.
Even as a Technic fan, I still like the LEGO Icons Classic Land Rover Defender 90. I really like all of the accessories and all the features of the LEGO car itself such as the steering wheel position option and the functional suspension. I think I made an another option, if I want something to be motorized, then I would simply motorize this LEGO Icons Land Rover Classic Defender 90 (which I'm planning to do that when I will get the set). In fact, due to its all of the accessories included in the set makes me feel that this LEGO Icons Land Rover Classic Defender 90 is ready for the off-road adventure. I know, the System pieces might get lost while off-roading but I would just drive carefully or do more modifications of the set.
no roof To show the seats is awesome. Really cool to be able to have all the Accessories without the roof
I like the defender, so I would want to get one.
The technic defender is the more modern version which is not my cup of tea, and I'm a lego fan at heart that really want a display model first, something that has some play features second.
Bought that set and to me the price is okay. My only frustration with this set being that it's probably the only Icons set that will have a working suspension, I would have loved to get one in something like the 911, even if it wouldn't have had much range in it.
Good review on that lego set and about the license plate if you look back in year 1950’s when that realcar defender released it is yellow license plate in California and on the steering. There is no power steering that year yet.
The price per piece metric isnt a water tight perspective for pricing.
However I do believe its a way to keep them honest. Makes it very clear when they're spiking the pricing. And its only a step removed from Price per weight in plastic. Which I believe is somewhat close to how LEGO themselves look at it, As its pretty much just all plastic mass it costs them to print.
Overall I think this is a good model. The playability of it is limited as it will fall apart, but for a LEGO collector looking for something nice to display, this is a great choice. As much as I like it, I'm still undecided if I want to spend $240 for it to sit on a shelf in my studio.
Thanks for the review. Nice véhicule but as you said: let's wait for a discount.
When I think I only paid 117 euros for ecto 1 back in the days.
Thank you. Quick question, are there any cars that fit the Technic Guy figures well? Maybe the Ferrari f40 or the old Mini cooper?
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thank you very much❤
The panhard rod would have really helped with the wiggly chassis. There is one problem however. The tuning of the panhard rod to prevent excessive sideways movement. Lego designers aren't known for their good suspension.
I think it's an awesome looking build, but I'm biased. I love the Creator Expert/Icons vehicles. This one will definitely be added to the collection once I get it at a discount. Around € 200 seems like a reasonable price.
Bro Lego Peugeot hypercar is coming, can't wait to see that 🎉
There is a saying where I live - Buy early, enjoy early. Buy late, enjoy discounts. There is NO need to rush to be one of the first to buy this set. Just wait for discounts if you find it expensive. Also, work harder/smarter/longer if you cannot afford it.
That steering is just like a real defender!
I liked the second version it better than the first version and also I might be getting the speed champions McLaren 2 pack in 19th April 2023
I will get it but I'll be waiting for it to go on sale. IMO the accessory pack should've been a separate thing. I want the classic version but I'll hate wasting that many pieces that I'll probably end up displaying it with add ons just so I don't feel like I'm wasting my money. Also, I hate that some of these newer vehicles like this and the T2 camper van are more fragile and don't seem to have the best build experience
For the color of the license plate it depends on the state where you got the plate and even the year in some cases
also on the price section: its kinda of fair price since the sand green color is the most expensive to produce if was desert tan or white/black would be cheaper
I use Traxxas for RC, when I saw the lego defender i lost my mind lol i need it
Some states have used yellow license plates. Oregon has one.
how does the roof fit to the front window? is there supposed to be a gap? :)
What is the height with all the roof rack and accessories mounted?
Can’t wait until someone makes a 4 door 110 of this
I cant wait to purchase this set as the defender90 is one of my fav vehicles ever. Do you know of anywhere i can purchase a lego figure that is in scale with playset? Thanks for the reviews!
I don't think there's a LEGO figure that'd be in scale
This was possibly your best review ever. Good,fair, and clearly took a lot of thought, effort and editing work. Yeah, I am one of the notoriously critical viewers and I despise LAN, but this was very good indeed, I must say. I am only into Display, and I think this is a VERY rare adult-looking LEGO display set..it just looks great. It is ridiculously overpriced, should be maybe 100 USD realistically for what it is and what it cost LEGO to produce and they would still make a decent profit..But it is LEGO, we know what's up, and I will get 2 of them when they are on sale in a year, because I want to display one with all the bells and whistles and one as an open minimalistic Jeep type car. Again, this was a very good review, thanks.
I'm glad you like the content. Yes, it was a lot of work to make these videos about the Defender. As for LAN, I think there's a lot of misunderstanding. LAN is a resource, a tool that allows us to create reviews for you as early as possible. I'm not a retailer, so I don't have sets in my inventory 2 months in advance like some other channels out there, and I don't have friends at LEGO stores like some other reviewers, so being recognized enables me to do early reviews. I don't think anyone should be judged by how they source their sets. For example, I wouldn't charge membership fees or Patreon support to make review videos, but I accept that exists as well. There are honest and hard-working reviewers among both LAN members and non-LAN members, and in both categories there are some who put less effort into their work.
@@RacingBrick Yes I can agree to all that, for sure, however it does not adress what I think is the 2 main reasons for most of us who do not support LAN. The first is that we simply can not, and for obvious reasons, trust reviews by LAN people, no matter how much each of you claim to express your own and true thoughts. You all have something to lose by being critical, and too many LAN members are very much uncritical or ignore obvious criticisms. Held Der Steine is the gold standard, if he can come up with several relevant criticisms of a set of which the LAN-reviewer mentions only one or none, they are either dishonest or just incompetent reviewers.
The second main point is that you are essentially marketing representatives for LEGO. How can it be healthy for a fan and consumer community that most of the big reviewers are working for the greedy megacorp?This includes the problems with LAN-members doing 'unboxings' and flaunting sets worth hundreds upon hundreds of Euros, on one hand normalising such expenditure in a community full of kids, making them feel 'out of the loop' if they can't have everything, and on the other hand normalising the prices among the reviewers themselves, making them numb to the fact that they are flaunting one plastic toy after the other that costs the same as a decent student laptop!
I do admit that some LAN-reviewers are taking some of this criticism and are improving ie becoming more critical, and I applaud this development, which is why I felt it my duty to post today to commend you for the excellent review, praise well deserved.
@@TheRealFeechLaManna I have to agree with this. There are a few LAN members like RacingBrick that can be a bit more fair. But then you get others that will show a $500+ set that they didn't pay for and say it's totally worth the money and won't mention the price at all. They're not spending that money so they can't be fully fair about it no matter how hard they claim. Plus like you said, there are a lot of them that aren't critical and only focus on the good things because they claim their channel is a "positive" place. People should take into account how reviewers get their sets. Someone like Jangbricks is seeing that money go out of their bank account when they buy a set and review it so they're going to understand how normal consumers like us will feel when we buy a set. Someone like Bricksie is getting a set for free so their bank account isn't being affected by them getting that set and they might not mention the price or feel like they need to take that into account for the review. They can claim to be fair and impartial but when you see criticisms being made by several other reviewers and being overlooked by LAN members, it is noticeable.
@@joevictor53 man that is so well said, and thank you for it! I am totally on your page here. And I know no worse words than 'Bricksie' and 'Emmasaurus'. These are like straight out enemies of sanity, decency and a reasonable philosophy of life. But that is just me, I am sure. Second more than anything, I hate the 'LAN unboxing!' videos, showing off stuff they got for free long before anyone else could buy it. And yes, they become insensitive to the expense normal people must pay for all these 2-500 USD sets. And if you only knew how the LEGO heirs are spending the billions we made them..seriously! It burns my heart to think of it. Race horses and failed business ventures for the elite all the way. Not like old Kirk himself for sure..and I could go on. But yes, Racing Bricks and even Tiago have listened (I feel) and have become more balanced, despite the risc of the overlord's ire. Jang ofcourse is showing the path, he always did, and Holly has never been better than after her fall from LAN's grace. And so, while I watch all Racing Bricks videos without posting angry bla bla all the time, I felt it was now I should post to show my undivided support of a great review like this one. I hope the fellow will take it with the good intentions it was written in, because I really do feel this guy seems like 'decent folk', if you know what I mean.
PS: Let us not mention the LAN reviewers who will promote expensive sets they know are a failure, like the Black Panther bust or Toy Story sets, while promoting buying the sets through their own referral links so they can make money from your purchase! That should be illegal, and likely is in civilised countries!
@@TheRealFeechLaManna I generally agree, I've been watching LEGO channels for many years, but found RackingBricks only a few months ago, by a total accident! I did realize quite fast that he's a LAN reviewer, however, I must say, I like his reviews the best out of all. I like his calm tone, he explains usually almost all details, flaws and discuss price. I like how he never tells you whether the set is worth it or not, which I think is the best aspect of his LAN reviews compared to others. You get a showcase, some explanation, build, but ultimately based on everything You see here, he never persuades you to buy, always leaving that decision to us. A bit of reverse psychology there, but nontheless it's the correct way.
I do enjoy reviewers who take longer time and spend their own cash, as their reviews are usually very in detail, but sometimes I just want a professional piece, ealier than launch to make up my mind and honestly, I pick this channel for it. For bigger purchases, something I've had my eye on for a while, I usually go to reviewers that test ins and outs of every segment of the build and pay attention to smallest details - but that's just my irk, I like to know if everything is fine down to the smallest details.
I see that RC car at the start 😂😂 Traxxas TRX4M! I have a red bronco and I love it.
An amazing little car, and very capable! Already got some upgrades to make it even better, I'm afraid I stepped on a dangerous path :D
@@RacingBrick it is a very addictive hobby, I would love to see some vids on it! I'm ordering £55 worth of upgrades for it at the end of the month
@@08KoolBoy there will be videos for sure!
@@RacingBrick thank you man
"If you turn the (steering) wheel at some point the front wheels move" - that is very prototypical. Calling the steering on a landie vague is a bit like calling a politician's promise definitive....One other small thing - I'm pretty certain the HVAC/radio sticker piece in the centre console is the wrong way up. The radio would be above the heater controls otherwise you couldn't reach the finer buttons because of the gear lever. I don't know if this is wrong in the manual as I don't have the set
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Pour certaines pièces qui ont tendance à se détacher,je les assemble avec une mini pointe de colle légère facile à éliminer en cas de changement de configuration!!
Great videos! I also Ike Lego!
"If you turn the steering wheel, sooner or later the front wheels will respond" - they've captured perfectly the driving and steering experience of a REAL Landrover 90 then!
Do you think someone could MOC this set into an open-top 1st Gen Ford Bronco (with only the set itself, no pieces outside of it)?
On page 7 of the instructions, it tells you that the bonnet bulge was added for the (4 cylinder) Ford Puma diesel engines. On Page 240, it tells you the engine you have built is a 5 cylinder turbo diesel (which must be the Land Rover TD5). It then suggests on the following page it suggests you build the bonnet bulge version for the ‘turbo diesel’. The fact is, both the V8 engine and TD5 engines that Lego provide, wouldn’t be fitted to a Defender with a bonnet bulge. Building this version, would be incorrect to either fitted engines provided.
I'll wait for it to go on sale for a good deal on aftermarket, or $200 or less in retail, which is the original price of the Ecto-1 before Lego's absurd price hikes last year.
and there I was checking the UK "is it taxed" (road legal) website to check whether the license plate was once real ;-)
Very good review ! I would like to know if it is possible to build the car with steering on the left side.
Yes, it was mentioned in the video :)
@@RacingBrick Yes - in Part 1 which I have not seen before asking my question... Better not miss one of your videos !
@@gfogerty54 true, apparently I made too many videos about the Defender... Couldn't really follow myself which one has that section, sorry :)
There is a choice which player can obtain both the accurate details and RC fun, the Boomracing 1/10 Defender D110.
I haven't looked at it in detail, but the amount of pieces for accessories and customisations seems to be growing... The price per piece is similar to the Ecto and Delorean, and better than the Camaro and the Porsche, but the total price is higher than all of them except the Ecto. The first few Creator Expert/ Icons cars were around €100, then there were a few around €170, and now we're going over €200. Will the next Icons car cost €250 and come with a ton of extras again? I hope not...
I would have been happy for this car to have few accessories, one engine and no suspension to get a price tag below €200. Like you said, it's a display piece. Steering is nice for 'posing', but suspension does nothing for a static display. Anyway, it's just a thought...
This right here. The T1 Camper Van was my "gateway" set into bigger Lego sets. It cost like £80 back then and that was a lot for me as a newcomer to adult Lego but I was okay with it. Then they went up to around £100 and then £150 and I thought it would stay at the price for a while before the next increase. I really wanted to display the regular version but I'm going to feel like I'm throwing money away by not having the accessories built with the car. I'd much rather it be a bit cheaper and they sold an accessory pack as a separate set. It was fine with the Ford Mustang and less so with the Porsche and Camaro but this has way too many optional things
This will be an exclusive set for the lego store? So I won’t find it on Amazon in the future (for discounts etc)?
Usually there's a 3 month exclusivity for LEGO, after it appears at all retailers
I hope it eventually goes to other places. Some sets are exclusive to Lego for a while before going to others but others stay exclusive to Lego
I really like the Defender. My only contra are the windows in the roof. I will buy and build it but only with discount and not for the 239,99 Euro. I don´t need the tools, the rack on the roof.....
I like it but I'd really prefer a 170 euro basic version with the add-on pack for those who want it.
By the way, is this the Land Rover they drive in Jurassic Park? I'd build that!
There are no Land Rovers in Jurassic Park. There are Ford Explorers and Jeep Wranglers though.
How is this mini figure, slightly larger than the traditional ones, called?"
If it is a proper Landrover then it will leak rain in and engine oil out, but pricey it is. Cheers
The steering is very much like the real old defender. Turn the wheel, and some time later, the vehicle does too. 😂
I wish I could find the Ecto-1 one sales, let alone 30%!
Are you in the UK? Zavvi currently have it on sale at £160 v rrp £210. Very cool car. It’s massive.
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The “USA” ones are not really that realistic sizing but the state of New York has Yellow plates like that with black letters and words.not sure what other states that come close to NY or the Land Rover
I'm wanting the defender so bad bit I'm not paying 200 I'll wait for a cheap ebay find or Amazon buy
What is the car above the ecto1? I thought it was the rally car but can't work it out
That's my RC version of 42077 with 2 buggy motors - th-cam.com/video/fyb1bznHoNE/w-d-xo.html
Great video but they aren’t really ‘hidden versions’, more like unofficial versions..Builders can choose to leave as much or as little on as they want
Sure, you can grab a wheel and call it a day :)
“if you then the steering wheel, eventually the wheels will respond” just like a deal defender then
Remove all the add-ons and drop it to about £150 and I'd happily have this sitting next to my Technic Defender.
Agreed. I'll still buy it but I'm waiting for a massive discount
Why use lincec plates in the first place why not let it be customised
I think the rack with all the accessories just make it look messy. I'd rather have the version with all of it off for $40 cheaper.
Nice model but all extras are too big in scale.
I was expecting $160, but lol. I still need to buy the airbus helicopter.
The set looks great but the price is too high.
Those aren't 90 build variations like you claimed in the title, just four.
*facepalm*
I got it for $120 because I know a guy who works at lego :)
This set is insanely expensive. I will pass this set. 😩
I thought Lego aren't allowed to make vehicles used in the military? 🤔
They don't do contemporary vehicles that are *only* used for military purposes, that's quite different. The Mercedes Zetros is also used by the military for example, but they still made a Technic set of it.
If only they made a 6x6 version 😭😂
I have seen indeed a couple reviews that the set is pretty fragile
Thank you for this very balanced and fair review. As the UK owner of a 1998 Land Rover Defender 90 I am bitterly disappointed with this design. The camper van windscreen is a cop-out. It surely would have been easy to use a flat piece of plastic and to create a door frame. A sticker for the A-frame pillars?? Rubbish! The A-frame design of the actual Defender is an iconic element of the character of the vehicle. From the side this model just looks wrong.
Your review of other options is good, but I would add the Tamiya RC Defender 90 to the list. It is very true to the design and is far better value for money. The Lego set will have to come down by 50% before I would consider it.
Wow im early
Way to expensive. I would consider it witt a price tag from 120 euro and then wait for discount. in the end it's worth about 90 euro.
I know you are hungarian
I know you are Hungarian, too :)
Who would even buy this set, when you can buy the bigger better technic land rover 42110?!?!
🤣 The population control 😂.
The steering is pretty life-like. The front wheels might as well have been connected by ropes and pulleys on the old Defender; it was rubbish!
Shame the technic set is of the horrible new defender.