Listen to "Gimme Shelter" Original UK Pressing on the $370K Wilson-Benesch GMT One Turntable
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- Listen to Gimme Shelter” off an original U.K. Decca pressing of “Let It Bleed”. Well sorry of. I explain in this video how a first lacquer ended up on the second “Decca in a box” label and how this pressing, sourced using the 6th lacquer ended up with the original FFSS Decca label. And more… but this pressing sounds best of the ones I have.
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A great song and that LP still sounds pretty darn good. Every time I hear this song and Merry Clayton lets loose the hair stands up on the back of my neck. I couldn't imagine it without her awesome voice.
Not to mention "Whooo!" coming from the control room right after that vocal. Listen closely and you'll never not hear it again.
@@mikep8683So true. After hearing it for the first time, I hear it every time now. Her voice cracks and then there it is. Awesome song.
Her voice just cuts right through that beefy mid range. So awesome. I got SHIVERS for sure!
The night her manager called her for this session she didn't know who The Rolling Stones were . She was pregnant at the time . Laid down her track and went back home to bed .
The best Stones song, on the best medium, played on the best(?) turntable in the world.
And I'm listening to it on a free Android phone. Good times!
It's fascinating how this video attracts both bitter trolls with no understanding of the tech involved here or why it matters (because the review explain it has yet to be published) and people who appreciate how it sounds despite the TH-cam compression.
Michael your a @$#@ ,when you ruined George Warren that's when I knew what a #__$$+_# of #__#__-++&$ you really are
Trolls turn up because of jealous envy, or just wanting to rain on someone's parade, at least it's not as bad as the cable naysayers especially the so called electrical engineers they just won't give up. Oh well they are entitled to their opinions even if they are wrong.
@@staceymangham yes. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and they should be presented as such
@@stevieg2755 Now, something may have gotten lost in translation, but is there a possibility you have anger issues?
Don’t bother as there are always jealous and bitter people.
The comments are always a good read, comedy gold.
Sounds great to me. Dynamic and punchy, drums have great impact with a nice cymbal decay. I don’t think recordings have gotten that much better in 55 years.
1963 Was an AMAZING year for me. I was 13 and we left our wee tiny island in Shetland to arrive in Detroit, Michigan. The very day before we left for America I heard the most amazing music! So AMAZING I decided I had to learn to play the guitar, an instrument I never saw, for real, outside of a magazine; being from Shetland I played FIDDLE! My friend who had a wind-up victorla, who loved Rock-n-Roll -- I hated R-n-R -- played me THE BEATLES!!!! OMG! They were/are still AMAZING. We lived in Detroit -- where I heard the next music that was AMAZING, MOTOWN! -- for almost a year, then moved out to our farm. Five years later I was in Vietnam -- that was AMAZING in a totally different way. Back then, kids didn't have money. You would look for bottles so you could get the bottle deposit money. Because of those DAMN BEATLES kids really became very interested in music. Not everyone had a record player. Not everyone could find enough bottles to buy a 45 let alone an LP. BUT, because of that your Mum and Da knew who you were hanging out with because when one of your friends would get a record all of those friends would go to that friends house and that kids Mum and Da would be able to see your friends and how you all acted. We missed SO MUCH of CULTURE when all that stopped. When we lost the actual ARTIFACT we lost our way! I still remember as if it WAS yesterday, the sounds, smells, the direction of the wind, EVERYTHING about the first moment of hearing The Beatles. That SPLASH sound as the record players arm and needle his the plastic, every pop and crackle of dust in the grooves, all of that made listening to records so much fun! I miss records.
370,000 is completely ridiculous.
So is buying a 200mph super car for a million pounds that you can only legally drive at 70mph..
@@pew32 you got that right
Thanks so much Mr. Fremer. My wife and I just sat down to listen to this recording you did and we both agreed the clarity and musicality was something we’ve never heard in this song. Truly appreciate you doing this series of recordings and putting them up on youtube. Looking forward to what you put up next.
Ps…it was great to hear definitively that it’s just a kiss away, not its just a piss away which seems to happen with this song on the radio
The "end game" sacd must have used INCOMPETENT mastering (as with many of those)
Skip to 8:15
370k ..... must be cool to be dumb
Michael Fremer! Lord of all that is vinyl! Thank you for sharing this marvelous pressing! Merry sounds amazing. Sure beats the hell out the portable record player we had in the dorm back in 1970!
370K. The law of diminishing returns in action.
Damn Oligarchs
There’s new billionaires every year, might as well make a turntable for them
less resale value than any boat. Over production at it's most apparent. There are elements of this table that could be stripped away, not affecting performance. For example, the fancy lighting that surrounds the platter.
@@rixvspinner your total ignorance makes your comment highly entertaining!
@@PluralofvinylisvinylsMost ultra wealthy people are not audiophiles…they like Bose or Sonos.
Isn't this just MP3 sound being provided by TH-cam? Am i missing something here?
It is. And it’s awful. I compared this upload to a Spotify Premium version on electrostatic headphones. Spotify kills this. No fault of the turntable or Mikey. It’s the limitations of this modest mp3 upload system on TH-cam.
This upload is the equivalent of putting 83 octane gas ⛽️ in your new Lamborghini and expecting something good to happen.
You are at the mercy of TH-cam upload bitrates and whatever else funky algorithms they have going on.
Sounds like trash, as it should. Spotify premium (high bit) level matched in real time back and forth A/B/A there is absolutely no comparison.
Spotify premium for the win 🏅 $14.99/mo 😊
Michael...I remember getting this record in December '69 (age 14) and hearing Keith's menacing opening notes for the first time. Fantastic album...and that beautiful turntable again!
Most of the guitar you hear is Mick Taylor. Taylor was a giant in those days. Keith is very modest about his own contributions to the albums that the Stones made with genius producer Jimmy Miller. Most of the good stuff is Taylor. It was indeed a very exciting time to be a Stones fan. The first four records that they did with Miller are breathtaking to this day.
Thank you Michael for your on going enthusiasm and commitment to vinyl.
Stuff like this, is just “audiophiles” and their nonsense run amuck. But hey, to each their own.
Michael - I’m as deeply involved in analog audio as you, but you left me in the dust many years ago. Thanks for continuing to share!
Wow - what a waste of time and money $370K for a turntable - am I supposed to be impressed? i am really not!
My lord that Wilson Benesch turntable is a horrible and gaudy looking monstrosity. Thank christ it sounds good. There has to be some upside to warrant the sheer resources involved!
It looks like the inside of Donald Trump’s bathroom.
Sounds nearly as good as my Cambridge audio BD752 blue ray player playing it on CD
$370K for a turntable and your room is the epitome of what a clean sound room is not and you wax poetic about the sound with no regard to the importance of the room. I get it: you rolled many joints on the LP covers and you are nostalgic about it. But in terms of sound, for the money, spend it on cleaning up your room and go from there.
370 what? Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
when you have money to throw away, you also have an excuse for why you did it
Listening to this vs. Spotify Premium (high bit rate). Levels matched. Beyerdynamic Electrostatic headphones ($530). Douk P1 tube headphone amp ($125). My little bed system for late night listening. I have much much much more expensive gear but it’s not necessary for this.
Not even close. Spotify crushes it. Much fuller, cleaner and less bloated and “confused” during heavy passages. Better top end and deeper bass on Spotify premium.
So where does that leave us? Nowhere. Because unless we do this same comparison without all the compression TH-cam recording Mikey is uploading to, it won’t be fair.
On the plus side, most of us just saved $370k! Unless you’re on the lunatic fringe. Then I’d recommend to proceed with caution ⚠️!
You’re welcome! ☺️
Amazing how those commenting love the sound of a 128kbps MP3 file 🤡
My thoughts exactly!! 😅
Very well done Michael, perhaps the greatest song that the Stones ever recorded. There is a version by Keith that was released in Japan in the early nineties that must be heard. Much more ominous sounding.
Wow. Never heard this track so clear with that fat portion of energy. I wonder, cause there is the TH-cam-compression with its sound-limitations. Tomorrow I will compare it with my own copy of that song. Thank you for that audiophile event.
Sounds just like my CD.
Waaay worse! Try it! Your cd 💿 will destroy this low bit rate mp3 upload. Not sure his point doing this other than click bait.
Pre digital recordings never sound right to me on digital formats.The uploaded sound is low quality and compressed.
@@davidspendlove5900 this whole mess is digital.
I agree otherwise. It did go A-D-MP3 in theory though.
doing an A_B with spotify, I prefer Spotify because its cleaner and more dynamic.
It sounds rather narrow anf thin to me Michael - with the vocals recessed into the main track rather than fully forward in the mix....is this what the originals sounded like compared the the modern ABKO re-issues?
No, the problem is the turntable.
Added compression and a little hotter around 3khz describes the last 20 years' reissues.
@@pjjmsn you are the problem.
I agree with you about the vocals sounding recessed. That was my very first thought when he starts singing. May be how it was intended but never heard it that way before. ?? Always thought the vocals were more forward in the mix.
BTW....totally digging these pressing uploads so thanks!! That Babylon Sisters was incredible!!
Sounds like a 192kbps mp3.....
Does that pressing still have the distortion on the choir singing , on ''You Can't Always Get What You Want''? That anomaly was cleaned up on the 2002 revist to the best quality masters The Stones Archive ABKO could find, in the vaults in the US and here in the UK. ❤'Gimme Shelter', so cool. Their best album for me anyway.
I’ll go back and listen
What a beautiful turntable. Wow!
A record made for playing on whatever you had, even if it was a portable, played here on an obscenely expensive piece of gear, and shown off on TH-cam, is somewhat laughable.
It didn’t sound as good as Goucho.
Do these early Decca releases require DECCA phono EQ, as opposed to RIAA? I have an early Decca Stones record that seems flat to my ear, and wondering if requires special pre-amplifier consideration
Sounds so average.
Okay, Fremer... something us old school collectors have to understand: Doesn't matter what you get or how you play it. Just be glad someone saved it. Remember how Joe Bussard found all those rare Black Patti discs under that bed! BTW, I'd be nice to have a chat with you....
I'd like to hear Can't You Hear Me Knocking. Is it on these special pressings?
Michael i enjoy your videos
But the internet is not the best place to demonstrate audiophile sound unless u r directly streaming from tidal or similar
Man, the bitterness and jealousy in the comments! I can’t afford it but if I could, would I really not replace my LP12 with one? Of course I would. I’d spend whatever it took to play my albums at their best 🎶🎵
YT does not give justice to this recording on the old record. It needs much higher resolution, depth and correct clock. But, thank You for sharing the experience with us regardless of it sounding 20% of what You have heard.
Oh yeah something like a CD that costs $3
@@zorglubmagnus455 Old recordings were mastered to sound correct on a record, but they rarely sound good on a modern compressed digital formats. So to sound similar as an old record it's modern copy must be in very hi res format, not 128kbps MP3. Again, thank You to Michael for demonstrating this monster to us. And to add to Your point, take a listen of this song from modern remastered SACD.
Makes me want to go find my ABKO CD issue and play it on my vintage 1989 Realistic 16 bit player!
WOW! Sounds great on my TCL 4G phone!
I enjoy the Tracking Angle videos, the knowledge Michael brings regarding records and turntables, as well as the fun of hearing these rips from the expensive turntables. Sounds quite nice. (My only complaint is that the opening of all these videos..."don't try to sneak in to your room like that..." is for some reason the most unfunny obnoxious opening of any youtube channel. It absolutely grates on me, and especially upon repetition...but I usually try to skip it).
What's funny is that I produced a video without that opening and I got more complaints with people asking me to put it back. So you can't please everyone...
@@trackingangle929 Fair enough!
Listening on my phone, I thought my SACD sounded better.
Keith Richards began writing the music for ‘Gimme Shelter’ in the autumn of 1968, because - he felt like he was on the outside looking in - when his main squeeze, Anita Pallenberg was filming nude sex scenes with Mick Jagger on the film set of *Performance* in October 1968. 🛏✨🎞
I’m more impressed about the pristine, 1969 copy of Let It Bleed. Cool turntable too though. I can’t act like I wouldn’t have one if I were super wealthy.
Sounds great you should record it again with your own rig so we can hear a comparison?
Thank you Michael for your fabulous personality and a great passion for music. Greetings from Poland. 👍
Sounds like the same as the version on TH-cam Original. free, but thanks Jerry S.
Exactly. I have Spotify Premium (high bit rate). It puts this low quality mp3 in the garbage. As it should!
Sounds better on Tidal. & yes I'm playing this thru valve driven Tannoy Golds at full res. via a ladder DAC (edit: it's a remaster)
lol. Sounds different that’s for sure. I have the remaster. Very good but when Ms. Clayton sings “rape fire” the original cuts through you. On the remaster not so much…
I remember... I bought that LP new on release. We danced to it all the summer of '70. It sounded great, but who had any real gear back then? It was a very strong record.
I much prefer the streamed version to this. Digital lets you hear the original analog grit of the recording whereas this recording is marred by the grit of the playback medium - no matter how expensive the turntable 😢.
Wow! That thing ought to have nouveau riche sprayed all over it in gold paint. Makes me want to go and buy a zebra skin sofa for the front room and an onyx cigarette lighter the size of a baby elephant. Brilliant history of the record though.
The sound on this album no doubt has aged like fine wine!
Even through TH-cam, this sounds so vibrant and clear. I am really intrigued by this turntable and can't wait to read your thoughts on it's performance.
This is the first time looking at a working turntable where it hurts my eyes.
Really appreciate the knowledge and background on the pressing. But do you really need a 300k turntable to enjoy a OG UK Stones? Absolutely not. The condition of the LP has much more effect on the sound. Save your $$ for clean originals, which will bring much more joy than an expensive turntable IMHO
I'm curious how much better this pressing sounds compared to my first pressing on the London label (credits the the London Bach Choir, btw) which I think sounds fantastic on my $5k table. I can only imagine how your pressing sounds on the Wilson-Benesch in person.
enjoy your knowledge
That record is the same age as me. I was born in 1968. Gimme Shelter is my favourite Stones track. Unlike the other recordings you made on that turntable this one is sounding quite worn and showing its age - just like me. Still sounds very good though.
I would put my Linn up against that but it does prove - for the kiddies in the audience - that turntables actually matter.....
I'm sorry, but I really can't accept the way you treat the inner sleeve (and the cover)... :-(
Not as impressed as I was with Babylon Sister and Walk on the Wild Side. Solid r&r, but no 'hidden' sounds that suddenly appear or stand out due to better sound quality.
Thank you very much for this video, the record sounds beautiful, good for at least another 55 years.
Would not the tonearm be way more important than the actual turntable itself.
I mean the job of the turntable is to turn the record at a precise speed without wow or flutter. I think if the platter is heavy enough, and the motor is decent, and the electronics is certainly should be pretty Elementary ,this could be obtained with any to $300 turntable
Hahahaha. What a waste of money, that system is. 😂😂😂
O remaster de 2019 é melhor! O Vinil suga os médios e adiciona coloração ao som.
Pegue o remaster, mexa nas frequências médias e adicione um pouco de distorção/ coloração. Você tem exatamente esse som
would be nice to listen to that stereo on a $370,000 sailboat. That would not buy a big fancy carbon sailboat, but you should be able to find one with an electrical system for that amount of money.
There's a reason why the civilized world, the folks without magical Golden Ears, abandoned turntables in the 1980s.
When I’m faced with dithering a 370K sound system through an iPad DAC, well, I go climb back under my lo-fi rock.
You’re way better off with a cd 💿 of this. No comparison to the low bit mp3 trash TH-cam allows via upload.
Sounds so real I thought I was in Vietnam 😉 👍
The sound trough youtube is amazing 😂😂😂 play the record on a Crosley with the same setup and post that on youtube and lets hear how much of a difference it is😁👍🏻
I’m also confused as to what he’s actually trying to accomplish. Put on your $3 cd 💿 or stream Apple or Spotify plus (high bit). They send this mp3 to the trash. 🗑️
I was privileged to hear it live on the 7th - Mick and the Stones still have it going on!
Chanel Haynes gave an incredible performance for this song.
Is that turntable 370 times better then my project x1? Anyway for 370k I have to work 10 yrs 🤷
It's like anything else; is a 2024 Porsche 911 S/T 300% better than a standard 911? Probably not.
But for some the percentage it IS better is worth the $200K more it costs over the price of a standard 911.
Now, if I had $370K to spend on SOMETHING, would I put it towards something like this turntable as opposed to the Porsche? Probably, as I'd get more use out of the turntable, as fun as it would be to own the 911 S/T.
Gimme money
Great video from both a historical and sentimental perspective. I'm sure the $370K sounds incredible but the source material is at the highest level of creativity, performance and technical perfection. How did they do it over 55 years ago? Talent and dedication to name just a few. Thanks for posting.
Zwaar onder de indruk: van 370k naar 320 kB, dat hoor je!
I've been chasing the audiophile dragon for decades and there's nothing more fun than ripping through old favorites on a new rig. Nicely done
Especially dark for the Stones. They fire Brian and then he dies tragically /mysteriously. 5 months later, Meredith Hunter is killed at the Rolling Stones at Altomont.
As for the record, sounds great Few ticks early on but holding up great. My old man has an original Canadian pressing from 69 that I got from him when he passed and it sounds great as well. Long love the Stones on vinyl.
Would love to have heard Let it Loose...
Thanks for sharing Mr Fremer. So many trolls so little time.
Freakin' fantastic, Mr. Fremer! One of my top 5 favourite Stones songs !!
Michael, I’m enjoying these. Yes, some information you share is old news for some, but not for everyone. But you are also sharing other details that even some of us seasoned collectors have not heard. Keep it going. Thanks.
Disposable income I guess?
What a work of art that table is. The Stones deserve to be played over something like that!
Not a candle t Gaucho sonically.
Maybe spend money on mics instead of recording a 370k turntable with a phone mic..😢
it wasn't recorded using any microphones.
This is why I buy lottery tickets
God I love this track.
Good , but not worth $370,000.
Wow that sounds bucking beautiful!
Oiy Gevalt !!! Ya gotta be Meshuganah... Say hi to the Doggies, Mikey !!
What is that turntable Michael?
I think it’s the needle😂
Hey Michael you ever just recall when a Goldmund was 17k and was considered obscene price wise. At least it looked the part. I don’t care how much the inflation calculator is up since then. Nothing on earth could make spinning an lp worth more than 17k even in today’s money and with all markups. The hobby I once loved in 60s,70s,80s is long dead to me.
The hobby today offers more great products at every price point than ever before. There will always be sky high costly products that "push the envelope" as this one does, but now there's more great sounding very affordable gear. I do not know why the hobby is dead to you. As for this product, you should read the review on The Absolute Sound website where you'll read the years of R&D that went into this and what accounts for the costs involved to produce.
You’re missing my point back then all the the great ones Oracle Linn Sota Goldmund we’re all somewhat within reach and not the price of a home. It was something we could all participate in even if you weren’t rich you could actually save for these products and get them those days at least for the great stuff. I’m not talking consumer stuff I mean the better stuff.
@@quadspeak The audio market reflects the economic realities: we have many more super rich people as the middle class takes a hit. What's happening in audio is also true in the automotive field. Top end cars ae super costly beyond what most people can save for or dream about but what's affordable today is way better and higher tech than what was once considered the top....And I'm not missing your point. I understand it fully. I just disagree with it...
Nat King Cole UHQR box?
In fairness I think it sounds good and maybe even better than I've heard this album before, but it still isn't great in my opinion. The version of Gimme Shelter that Merry Clayton does on her own albun is better to my ears. Her backing performance on this Stones version is wonderful but Mick sounds like he was in a different studio!!!
I like the mix better than the SACD, it's muddier but it's the stones and maybe it's supposed to sound that way. I have some high res mono that's my preferred way to listen, up to Goat's Head Soup I think it's the best I've heard but I bet with a more direct feed without the TH-cam modification to sound yours would sound better.
The high end turntable and first UK pressing sounds clearer and more defined that the Canadian pressings I grew up on. You can here all the guitar layers much clearer. That's just on TH-cam. Can't imagine what it sounds like live. Like the original Master Tape.
Remember the good old days of vinyl, let's run through some turntables from the past - Garrard the pioneer, Transcriptors Hydraulic Reference, the futuristic; Gale the modernistic; Pink Triangle for neutrality; Linn Sondek LP12 for musicality; Logic DM101 for class; Roksan Xerxes for detail; Oxford Acoustics Crystal Reference for beauty; Manticore Mantra the pretty one; Voyd the one with three motors?!!; SME Model 30 the one that insisted it was best; VPI TNT the one with the separate motor; Oracle Delphi the one by which the others shall be judged; Townshend Rock Reference, the one that tells the truth; and Wilson Benesch, the ultra expensive product of a wonderfully (maiden) named high end turntable manufacturer