EDIT: Yards PLXC is in stock RIGHT NOW, it's going to be gone ASAP. Sorry for the delay. This video is over 3mo old. FYI: I'm still using this scope now (along side the scope switch). It really is my favorite LPVO. Just be sure to focus the diopter to the 1x, and I think you'll be impressed as well An no, I bought this scope with my own money.
I'm really thinking that this lpvo with the mil reticle will suit me well on my ak103. It's light weight, has a good 1x and really just checks all the boxes im looking for in my first lpvo. Although I do want to get a 4x posp to mess around with a test out for myself, since there really aren't any good reviews on it.
Brass Facts has 2 moods: - Easy to follow, realistically minded gear review, with minimal bias and an understanding of what normal people can afford. - "DOG"
I have 3 aces red dots I like everything about them I have a aimpoint is it clearer yes better built probably but it's just a dot and I think aimpoint needs to step up their game for the price they are charging , and my mro It's really my least favorite all i see is a cluster of dots . I just got Daniel defense I'm planning on getting one of these for I just like the reticle.
@@odysseussonoflaertes6457 that would be the ACSS reticle designer. seriously, half of the ACSS reticle flavors are labeled as "ACSS CQB M1/2/3" or some variation of that.
I’ve been using the EOtech vudu 1-10 SR5 for a few months now, ≈1,200rds at this point with about 35% at 1X, 30% 3-6X, 35% at 10X. Most of the shots are at a flat range but I’ve used the vudu hiking in the woods, when on the 1X I now have to search for the distortion otherwise I guess my brain has grown to it and learned to disregard it
No argument here. Likewise C_Does agrees with you. Yes the Primary Arms 1-8x24 PLx-c is an outstanding scope for anyone that is interested in spending over 1,500 dollars. I’m waiting to see what Primary Arms does with an improved GLx-c version. Long story short - love the scope, but hate the price.
I own 2 of these with the Griffin mil reticles. One on top of my 14.5” AR15 and one on top of my 16” AR10. Both are outstanding and perform really well. Would not hesitate recommending it to anyone looking for an excellent LPVO.
Yes this is THE BEST option out there in my opinion. I love mine!! The bezel is also amazing because the glass just floats out front. With no massive ring glaring into periphery
Get the Meters bdc if you want a bigger horseshoe at 1x over the other two options. I believe its double the size in width, its alot less busy at higher mag and less in the way of your target then the mil griffin and yards bdc.
Great vid Brass Facts! I had the griffin mil version of the PLxC 1-8. I liked it, but returned it because I was losing illumination on recoil (SR-15 Upper). Simple defect I assume. When I had it, I compared it to my buddy's Vortex Razor 1-6SFP Gen II-e and the Vortex was more comfortable to get behind and more usable for me. As C_DOES and BF have mentioned the slight difference between the scope focus at 1 vs 8 power bothered me enough to look for other options. This was my first LPVO to provide some context, but I figured I would put this comment up here. Overall its a cool scope (weight & price) but I wasn't in love with it. PA customer service was awesome and I look forward to getting more products from them.
As a PLXc enjoyer, I’m looking forward to watching this on my break. Nothing like a bit of purchase validation as a treat. Edit: I’ve watched it. I agree on all points. The reticle and illumination is the only thing keeping this thing from perfection. If it had the FCDMX reticle and the illumination of a Nightforce, it would be 10/10. That said, the reticle is still totally usable and I was able to get very consistent hits at 380m with my 14.5”.
I ended up with the Trijicon TR-24 something or another…it’s good enough for my gamer gun. I have been saving up for a MK5hd for my long range rifle, here in Calizuela the PRS/NRL game is just about the only game we have available with any reasonable regularity.
I miss my razor 1-6 e , but I sold them both for NV and finishing my Hk416 and I’m happy but now that I’m back in the market for an LPVO this one consistently keeps coming up as something that is worth buying for sure. I keep hearing great things about this thing and I really want one, everyone I’ve seen with it seems to LOVE it
@@TheBawbSagethigher end stuff sells pretty easily and close to msrp surprisingly. Just go look at the people buying anything aimpoint on gafs for 5 dollars less than new prices. Why wouldn’t I sell to some sucker like you so I can try new things while my eyes are still young
I think one of the reasons that LPVOs are so ideal on a 5.56 AR is that the ideal range for a 1-8 LPVOs is 25-600 yards. (Really more 50 yards on the low but who cares) this also lines up really well 5.56 ballistically where 25-500 is going to be relatively flat shooting and still have enough energy on target. You can push it to 700 with the rounds and a 1-8 but it's going to struggle.
@shaolinwarriormark but then you have the issue of the round loosing ft/lbs. In ideal conditions 77gr 5.56 @700 yards has about as much energy as 9mm. At 800 its less than a .38 sw. So at those ranges outside of the effective range of a 1-8 that you loose effective energy on target.
@shaolinwarriormark @1100 yards 77gr 5.56 has ~150ft/lbs of energy and ~60 MOA rise, just because you can punch paper at those ranges doesn't mean that it's effective for combat. For context, at that range, 77gr 5.56 is slower than .22lr at point blank with only ~20 more ft/lbs of energy.
@@davidlong6796I have both of these scopes and it doesn't bother me at all because I know that the technology in the two scopes is very different. FFP vs sfp illumination is just different. It's way easier to make a super bright while still affordable optic using sfp. FFP can be made bright but it's expensive and the battery life is crap anyway.
After seeing your review on the Primary Arms SLX I bought one for $305 with mount. I’m new to LPVOs and this was my first one. I’m very happy with it especially with the Nova reticle. I guess the PLX is the gold standard now and maybe one day I’ll have one. Optic technology is moving fast and it’s expensive trying to keep up.
100 % right . Plx c with the M8 raptor is the best. I was saying a year ago. The complex M8 reticle is the only reason why I would use an lpvo. If I wanted something simple, I would just stay with the Red Dot with the 6X magnifier. In that case I can remove the magnifier at night for a lighter gun. If I'm going to carry a pound and a half on top of the gun, it better have a complex reticle that gives me lots of information.
Thanks again for the excellent video. If it weren't for the current geopolitical circumstances I would look forward to a future when we can design and apply our own reticles and have different ones for different ranges and conditions on the same scope.
@@chadwik4000 I don't imagine that the "world will end" but I do very much fear that war, economic decoupling, and debt crises will cause a severe depression and supply chain disruption to the point where new tech products, at the very least, may no longer be available (to me anyway). I don't believe or not believe anything though. I just assign varying degrees of vague and changing probability to events and notions.
@@chadwik4000 I am a long time history and economics buff. I'll admit that I have been reading books like The End of the World is Just the Beginning" (written before the beginning of the war and is perhaps still a bit hyperbolic on some points) which is about the effects of possible if not probable de-globalization. I am old enough to remember doom saying like that that Paul Ehrlich and his being completely wrong. I thought he was a twit when he was on Johnny Carson's Tonight Show. I have long been a cornucopian rather than Malthusian but events and trends of recent history have me rattled a bit.
Really like mine, meter version. Only tiny complaint is I wish the BDC verticle reticle was thinner. Had good experience with their warranty after moisture got in a 5X prism scope I bought years ago
Ive taken this scope(meter version) out to 539yds on a 6arc and it did great. Plan was to replace it with a NF 3-18 but as well as it did im not going to change it out. I swapped out the top cap with the optional dial and im glad i did.
That BDC works perfectly for both my 77gr TMK when ranging in yards on my personal rifle, and also with M855A1 when using meters on my work M4. It works with a good number of people. Maybe it doesn’t work for 55gr. Don’t know, don’t use that stuff beyond plinking within 200 yards and so I haven’t checked the drops. But I bet it would still be pretty damned close out to 400 yards/meters.
I got lucky snagging one of these a short bit ago and one of the best things I don't think you got to mention was how good the 1x is on these. It really is fantastic.
Have had mine almost 2 months and I’m loving it. I got the yards reticle and used strelok for holds and it works like a charm. I was going to buy an offset but there is no point, the 1x is perfect. This scope will ruin your other LPVOS
I cant help but think that your over all impression may have been different with the Meters version vs the yards. The meters reticle is much cleaner and easier to use at range.
When i was looking for an lpvo my main purpose was to replace a red dot and magnifier combo. I ended up with the Trijicon accupoint 1-4 with the simple triangle post reticle and it has served me very well. The eyebox is generous, the 1x is great, its super light at just over 14oz, and the tritium fiberoptic combo is bright as shit when you need it and is dialable when you don't (no electricle tape required).
For an lpvo, I prefer sfp. I do really like my razor gen 2-e. If they could put a better reticle in there with the same illumination and then magically knock it down to 15-18 oz, that would be as close to perfect as an lpvo can get.
I'm just sticking with my PST gen II. Little heavy, but I love it. Super fast on 1x and super passable to 400yds, and I much prefer SFP. Super clear, great eyebox, I just dig it.. and it was $450 on sale lol
@@cgarza1260 the viper is king of budget class optics that's for sure Honestly tho my mindset has changed a bit. I wonder how if I'd be better off with a more useful reticle like an ACSS of some sort. I've come to the conclusion I don't NEED daylight bright 1x of the PST since I have an offset 509T and instead a more viable longer range reticle with wind holds/ranging capability and a finer aiming point seems a better setup for taking a 14.5 to 500yds or even just more precision at 200yds. As I start to shoot more at further ranges I realize the lack of usefulness of the PST reticle. It reigns supreme for fast 1x but reticle leaves a bit to be desired at longer range ESPECIALLY with wind in the mix. I'm torn a bit lol
Good stuff. I think the weak illumination deserves a mention in context of 1x performance. Like you point out in the beginning, folks want LPVOs to function as an 'almost red dot' on 1x. The reticle features that help draw your eye to the center are useful, but a super bright dot is useful-er. I had a NX8 for a while and couldn't get over some of its flaws, but really appreciated the brightness of the reticle. I'm not a huge Vortex fan, but the Razors shine in the brightness feature, which is a huge plus at 1x. In this price bracket, I think I'd still opt for a Gen 2-e over the PLXC for the 1x performance + brightness. The weight savings and extra 2x are big pluses for the PA, but I can get over an LPVO being SFP as I'm typically gonna crank up to max mag on an LPVO if I'm shooting far enough to need hold data.
@@BrassFactsNo, but if you’re going to claim a product to be the best, it has to be the best in critical categories. Even though LPVOs are magnified optics, 1X performance and usability (cough cough daylight capable red dot) in 1X is a critical category. For this reason I bit the bullet and purchased the NF ATACR 1-8. For assurance I also mounted a FDE Aimpoint ACRO P2 on a Arisaka 45 degree offset.
@@Peezy71421 agreed. Whenever I consider an LPVO, I put it up against my Steiner P4Xi. 1x, illumination, weight, clarity, eye box. It has everything I want other than the magnification. If I'm going to upgrade, I don't want to downgrade any of these critical factors.
That giant chevron (and chevrons in general) just ruin it for me. It blocks so much of your sight picture when trying to shoot in the 200-300 yard/meter range with wind. But I do appreciate that PA finally added tall crosshairs that help you find the center on 1x without illumination.
Maybe it was just my PLx but from 0-10 yards I couldn’t adjust the diopter correctly to have both the reticle and the lens image clear at 1x. Went to the NX8 and it’s 1x benefits outweigh the eye box negatives with zero blurry image.
Trying to decide between this and the Razor Gen III 1-10.. right now I'm thinking that the PLXc's strengths don't really make up for where it's lacking. Like one strength you pointed out is how it has a great 1x field of view and stadia that extend all the way out, BUT the illumination is not bright enough to match a red dot. Another is how it has 8x power BUT its reticle is really busy and most likely annoying to use. In my mind, if I'm getting an LPVO to replace my more traditional setup, which is an acog/piggybacked red dot combo, it NEEDS to have three key things: -a great 1x that is bright enough to be on par with red dots. if it can be that bright, then to me that gives it enough advantage (through allowing a full cheekweld rather than having to chinweld my piggyback) that it is worth the trade of having to work a magnification dial every time I want to change my view. Same reasoning behind that as people like yourself's reason for liking Elcan Spectres. If it isn't going to be red dot bright, I would much rather use piggyback red dot for close range, personally. I want as little delay in aquiring the center of the reticle as is possible since 1x and red dots are for up close and personal, where speed comes first in gunfights. And nothing beats a red dot as far as the eye's speed in finding it. -a good high magnification view that makes it desirable over my acog on all points; more zoom that allows me to see better at distance--meaning close or equal glass clarity as Trijicon is needed, and a FFP BDC reticle that is still fairly usable at full power (I can be a little forgiving of a tighter eyebox at max magnification) -more useful info provided through the reticle than an acog does (WITHOUT being busy) including a quick autorange silhouette measuring reference, BDC lines and wind holds.
💯% agree about the modern PA’s reticles being a victim of feature creep and waaay too busy. I love PA’s stuff, especially their prism scopes, but yeah………….
By far my favorite LPVO. I think the glass quality is excellent throughout. LPVO's always come with compromises. The main issue that is draws complaints about this LPVO is the lack of daylight brightness. True - the illumination is pretty bad. I dont find it necessary to be daylight bright in most applications. With that said I have an offset red dot on both of my rifles with the PA PLX-C. So I have redundant 1x.
While your breakdown of what an LPVO should be used for makes a lot of sense, I slightly disagree for my own personal use case. The 1x effectively functions as an "in case" option. I typically keep my 1-8x locked in at 4x with a top dot for when I need to break off of magnification and make quick shots. This probably comes from mg experience as a deer hunter 🤷♂️ even on my bolt action, I've run a top mounted dot over a 4-12x duplex scope for years, and I've shot more bucks within 35 yards using the dot than I have through the scope beyond that. The only time I crank down to 1x is if I'm training CQB, and my scope's 1x is really more of a 0.9x. If I'm using it for CQB, I'll have time to adjust precisely to a true 1x 🤷♂️ if I dont have that time, I'm using the top dot. The 8x is obviously for distance shooting. Self explanatory. I also believe FFP is wasted on an LPVO. A good horseshoe + chevron/dot SFP reticle with a minimalist BDC/ranging tree accurate at max magnification is more than enough, and SFP scopes also tends to cut cost. By a lot. My training rifle runs the UTG 1-8x SFP BG4 LPVO, and aside from the weak illumination, I find it every bit as useful as the Vortex and Primary Arms LPVOs I have on my safe queens. A top dot isnt a fix for a piss poor 1x, but for the weight penalty you pay and the benefits you get in return, everyone should run one. Especially once you start playing around with your zeroes, factoring in the additional height over bore. I run a +5" height top dot on my SPR build with a PA SLX 4-14x44, 20" barrel. Running M193, I routinely make 9-10/10 shots on 12x12 steel targets as far out as 300 yds using a 75 yd zero. Its almost a cheat code. Whatever your dot touches anywhere from 0 to 300, with that zero, you're hitting in the vitals box.
@Lost_Achaean a little more harsh than I would have put it, but yes. I agree. Plus he's selling a product, and focusing on its strong points. Not that I know or care if there's anything transactional between him and Primary Arms, I just assume all product reviews are trying to sell something 🤷♂️ I get a lot of good info from this channel, but I disagree heavily with his LPVO philosophy. Doesn't necessarily mean he's wrong, it might work well for him. Rifles are tools. Set your tools up to work best for you. 🤷♂️
@Lost_Achaean Appreciate it bud. Both times I deployed, my unit mostly ran ACOGs or dots. I found the piggyback dot to be very effective. Honestly, if I had to recommend a good budget setup to someone looking for a jack of all trades optics lineup, I'd steer them towards a Shepherd Optics Rugged 3-9x40 in R22 reticle. You're looking at roughly a $250-300 scope with a very usable reticle, great glass for the money and just short of Nightforce, Swarovski or Zeiss tier optic quality. Their Rugged 1-8x LPVO in R-Mil is a great scope for the $350-$400 range as well. With their 3-9x, a solid budget mount and a Holosun 407c X2, you're up and running for $600 or so. That 3-9x, for the price, beats out any 2.5-10x I've had my hands on.
@Lost_Achaean I just realized I posted this in the wrong comments section 🤣 I'm currently working on an ultralight build using a TN Arms Co polymer lower, moe fixed stock, SWFA ultralight 2.5-10x and a Midwest Industries ultra lightweight 12.6" handguard. I'll be running an ballistic advantage 14.7" pencil profile, pinned & welded with a YHM T2 Turbo flash hider/suppressor combo. I'm debating on which light to run. I've had good luck on my trainer with an Inforce dual output light, and with it being a polymer housing, it'd fit in well with the lightweight build. It'd also save me about $300 over a Surefire haha. I'll most likely run a top mounted Holosun 407c x2. The whole rifle, loaded, should weigh around 8-8.5 lbs with the can. I could probably squeeze it down to < 8 lbs by ponying up for some titanium parts, like the BCG and gas block... and running a carbine weight buffer. but I'm pretty happy with how it handles without the suppressor as it is. Frankly, I wish my M4 had been build just like it. Even if the optic doesn't have the best glass.
I'm doing a fairly high end 14.5" build and was going to just get a budget end sub $500 Lvpo just to get shooting. Was considering the Arken Ep-8 or one of the cheaper Primary Arms models but stumbled across the Athlon Ares ETR FFP 1-10-24 Lvpo on Optics Planet 28% off for about $750. My Dad has one of their high end long range optics and that thing is crispy. Definitely excited and hoping to get some good price/performance out of the Athlon.
See this scope was made for people like me, im weird because i like reticles that most people would call "busy" and im not a fan of very barebones reticles. Your main gripe is my biggest selling point. It gives me a "donut of death" on a good 1x and then if i dial in for a more precise shot i have the reticle to assist in that extra precision. It also helps that i live in a *VERY* green world instead of a reddish-brown one so i dont need as much contrast to highlight my reticle. This might be the "perfect" LPVO for people who do live in a "green" world.
As an owner of the older PLX 1-8, the PLXc is very compelling, especially in that weight category with a 30mm body. But I think I'll wait for the inevitable PLX Nova before I go for one or the other.
PLX-C nova would likely just be a 8x 1-6x Razor HD-E Which is actually quite "meh" The thing to look out for is the PLX-C with a different type of daylight illum they teased verbally. Will cost about 500 bucks more though.
i feel that the aurora is the best compromise for their reticles sans going to a mill grid and do-doing M A T H... lol if they DROP THE CHEVRON AND GIVE US THE AURORA DOT imo it would be the best
I have the predecessor 1-8 plx acss griffin. I prefer it. Its not as busy its built for dialing and crystal clear. It is longer and heavier but i dont mind that for my purposes.
Ok, so I just got my plxc mounted and zeroed today. Holy crap what a 1x. I ordered both the Razor Gen 2 e and the plxc to compare. The plxc is way more true of a 1x than the razor. Idk if I got a razor lemon, or my eyes just dont like it. Indoors the razor sucks and a lot of fish eye inside of 15 to 20 ft. The plxc is the best 1x I've seen yet no fish eye even at like 10ft. Even indoors, it looks pretty good. The eye box on 8x js not nearly as tight as I expected. Its about the same as the nova 1-6 on 6x. Im returning the razor and keeing thr nova 1-6 and plxc 1-8.
I’m so glad you mentioned the elcan. When I hear you say “THE F***ING ONE EXXXXXXX” combined with “i spent most of my time at 3-4x,” my very first thought was …. Why don’t companies try to make an elcan ? Rather, why not a vortex razor 1x / 4x elcan competitor, why not a Trijicon Acog with a 1x hidden inside that Thang? Also, why not use the Acog glass in a magnifier? I held my TA31 up to my UH-1 gen 2 and was blown away at how much better it looked than any other magnifier i had ever seen (the crooked half upside down bit I could see made the holographic reticle look ridiculously good with that Japanese glass, and we could get such a high quality magnifier image to solve this perpetual 1x + 3-4x problem if other companies won’t emulate the elcan specter d.r., which is seriously like cherry picking the very best parts out of the very best LPVO you’ve ever seen and putting them in one optic, or maybe think of it like an ACOG with a great variant of the crosshair reticle with a daylight bright dot, that also magically retains that same ACOG glass quality and reticle when it shrinks back to 1x. All roads lead back to elcan despite my rambling. Surely though, you see my point about how you essentially highlighted the ways it’s like an Elcan as the selling points, then sort of gave us the bad news about how it’s actually an Lpvo outside of its 1x and 3-4x, but with a worse reticle. And with no discounts and a Scalarworks mount, it’s gonna be pretty GOL DURN close to the $1900 Eurooptics price on the elcan. I still want to try this now but ACOGs, Elcans, and EXPS3’s/UH1’s with nice magnifiers have solidified my confusion about why we love LPVO’s so much. I Got a 1-10 vudu and I disliked it so much that I literally remember feeling like my first Lpvo (when I thought I was about to love them and almost did because it was( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°), a vortex viper PST 1-6 , which was way better than the vudu 1-10 from all my memories. I guess I’m just saying I wish that the elcan wasn’t one off and that companies would recognize what you’re saying about LPVO’s- we want them to have red dot / reflex optic quality 1x, and a usable mid range magnification power, like a TA31/TA11. I’m rambling still. Elcan elcan elcan (acog+509T) elcan elcan elcan
Your video editing skills have come quite a long ways. It would be great for you to do a video on your video editing skills, what you use and how you put it all together because some of us out here would like to make videos but don't know anything about putting it all together.
I wish i had seen your review of their nova before I jumped. I bought 3 of them based on other reviews. They made it seem like it was compared to the razor for 370 bucks. For those 3, i eas basically at the cost of the plxc. That looks amazing, though. I've been horribly disappointed with the SLX.
I'm no longer a "believer" in the LPVO. IMO they're the sort of thing which SEEMS like it should answer all questions, but I don't believe practical reality supports that. First, they "want" to do all jobs, but a single optic SIMPLY CANNOT accomplish that. Thus, they're crappy as a substitute red dot, and crappy as a substitute longer range scope. Add the fact that you really MUST have some sort of back-up sighting system -- and a good example of which is an offset red dot. But then, with THAT, you no longer need the 1X scope. My vote is for a 3x to 5x prism scope, with an offset red dot.Then, you CAN do most things you want, within 300-400 yards, and yes, while it takes two optics, they're only a slight "swivel" away, and DO NOT REQUIRE taking your hands off the rifle. Plus, you already have a back-up sight, too. If that's not enough, then replacing the 3x to 5x prism with something like....the Athlon Helos BTR 2-12 x 44 FFP scope will allow you to range, focus/parallax, and holdover/turret WITH full illumination for ranging and holdovers in low light -- and again, you still have your back-up. Oh, and one more thing: it's much trickier to trust your LPVO as a "real" red dot because none of them have the battery life (or, mostly, the brightness) on which to base your confidence.
EDIT: Its an LPVO. Not meant for SPR setups, but does a great job for a GPR setup is essentially what video states. Also, have you tested out the new GLX 3-18 or the old GLX 2x prism? Would be interested to hear your assessment of them. Finally, is the Scopeswitch worth it or nah?
the 2x is nice, the large apparent FOV makes it feel like a much high mag scope. never owned one though. the 3-18 is currently being reviewed, also decent the scope switch is WIP. See instagram for a initial observation
@@BrassFacts wanted to give you a heads up. TH-cam did not notify me of your response. Secondly, is your IG under the same name? I cant find it in search.
The part when you showed the 1x performance felt like literal magic, it almost looked like a red dot sight. Also for some reason there's some slight buzzing/hissing sound jn the background audio.
I have a PLx-C and really like it, although it kind of sucks above 6x. AO would fix that, but only the March compact has that for 2x the price. My other favorite scope is a Vector Continental 1 - 6 x 24, it's really good and doesn't need AO due to excellent glass.
ACSS like all innovations are subject to “cramming” - sticking in “features” nobody asked for but engineering can do. My fave long black rifle reticle for sure but don’t overshoot market expectations just to get upgrades.
I'm using the vortex razor 1x6 gen 2 e I believe it will do what I need it to do the first focal plan thing don't bother me because if I'm shooting out to 200 were I have it zero it's going to hit were I aim on any power any thing over 200 I just jump it straight to 6 then all my drops are the same hold all the time as to were I have done figured my holds out so it's all good as long as that thing keeps its zero
I spent some money and got this LVPO for the already expensive rifle I bought… no regrets happy with the purchase but I have a few gripes. The ranging on the reticle is funky. I wish they did a dot than a chevron, just my preference. And you lose the image pretty easy on 8x based on your eye position. It’s growing on me. The image quality is great and the 1x is the best I’ve ever seen through an LVPO. But I feel I could have gone with a lower budget PA and I would have been just as happy. Good review as always.
I'll never spend over a grand on a scope that isn't for Hunting/ precision purposes. I think I only have one scope that's over 1k. It's sitting on my waypoint. I have zero issues hitting out to 700+ yards with my $300 dollar, gen 3 slx 1-6. I guess if I ever have to worry about the 1x on it, which is highly unlikely, I'll switch over to my sidearm.
With all those stadia lines, i feel like if you were looking from a distance into heavy brush or a tree line, it may be difficult to detect slight movements due to not being able to recognize actual movement because it may look like something is moving if a line/lines move by a branch or shadow. Now that im done with that run on sentence, id say its way too busy. It may work for bench rest shooters but not practical for defense
If primary arms is listening: make a LPVO with these qualities and will be an absolute game changer: 1. Same excellent 1x 2. Same size and weight 3. Aimpoint bright!! 4. Top magnification of 4x! That is plenty and will help eyebox / scope performance. Magnification wars of LPVOs are losing sight of what the purpose is to the detriment of the performance. 5. Less busy reticle. Preferably the horseshoe with bdc drops. 6. Capped turrets 7. Clear cross hairs like the schmidt and bender 8. Oh yeah and must be FFP
EDIT: Yards PLXC is in stock RIGHT NOW, it's going to be gone ASAP.
Sorry for the delay. This video is over 3mo old.
FYI: I'm still using this scope now (along side the scope switch). It really is my favorite LPVO.
Just be sure to focus the diopter to the 1x, and I think you'll be impressed as well
An no, I bought this scope with my own money.
Oh no he bought the scope switch
Will you have a review on the patrol 6HD?
I'm really thinking that this lpvo with the mil reticle will suit me well on my ak103. It's light weight, has a good 1x and really just checks all the boxes im looking for in my first lpvo. Although I do want to get a 4x posp to mess around with a test out for myself, since there really aren't any good reviews on it.
Is the Scope switch good?
is it the Antimatter Industries comes the ScopeSwitch? When is the video review on the scope switch coming out?
-
Thanks for the content
Brass Facts has 2 moods:
- Easy to follow, realistically minded gear review, with minimal bias and an understanding of what normal people can afford.
- "DOG"
Also yeah the CQB or whatever ACSS reticle is my favorite, simple, useable, helpful, fast, clear.
I have 3 aces red dots I like everything about them I have a aimpoint is it clearer yes better built probably but it's just a dot and I think aimpoint needs to step up their game for the price they are charging , and my mro It's really my least favorite all i see is a cluster of dots . I just got Daniel defense I'm planning on getting one of these for I just like the reticle.
@@odysseussonoflaertes6457 that would be the ACSS reticle designer. seriously, half of the ACSS reticle flavors are labeled as "ACSS CQB M1/2/3" or some variation of that.
I’ve been using the EOtech vudu 1-10 SR5 for a few months now, ≈1,200rds at this point with about 35% at 1X, 30% 3-6X, 35% at 10X. Most of the shots are at a flat range but I’ve used the vudu hiking in the woods, when on the 1X I now have to search for the distortion otherwise I guess my brain has grown to it and learned to disregard it
Same. Big fan I think it's under rated
No argument here. Likewise C_Does agrees with you. Yes the Primary Arms 1-8x24 PLx-c is an outstanding scope for anyone that is interested in spending over 1,500 dollars. I’m waiting to see what Primary Arms does with an improved GLx-c version. Long story short - love the scope, but hate the price.
It's a 1-8 bud....
@@BigTeeze corrected - Thanks
The price is fair in the market imo.
It’s actually a pretty fair deal. Compared to options from NF or Khales etc.
Is there any news on a GLX-C?
I own 2 of these with the Griffin mil reticles. One on top of my 14.5” AR15 and one on top of my 16” AR10. Both are outstanding and perform really well. Would not hesitate recommending it to anyone looking for an excellent LPVO.
My top 2 for my AR 308 are either this or the Vudu 1-10 that I know Brock looooooves in 1x 🙃
Yes this is THE BEST option out there in my opinion. I love mine!! The bezel is also amazing because the glass just floats out front. With no massive ring glaring into periphery
Get the Meters bdc if you want a bigger horseshoe at 1x over the other two options. I believe its double the size in width, its alot less busy at higher mag and less in the way of your target then the mil griffin and yards bdc.
I believe you are right. Having messed with the other reticle I believe it's slightly superior.
@@BrassFacts agreed, my bro-in-law has the yards, I definitely prefer my meters reticle on all magnifications
Came here to saw exactly this. Meters reticle seems like the best of the 3 options if you can get past the unit difference.
@@BrassFactsweaver tactical 1-5 cert all the way
@@BrassFacts Better than the mil reticle even?
Great vid Brass Facts!
I had the griffin mil version of the PLxC 1-8. I liked it, but returned it because I was losing illumination on recoil (SR-15 Upper). Simple defect I assume.
When I had it, I compared it to my buddy's Vortex Razor 1-6SFP Gen II-e and the Vortex was more comfortable to get behind and more usable for me. As C_DOES and BF have mentioned the slight difference between the scope focus at 1 vs 8 power bothered me enough to look for other options. This was my first LPVO to provide some context, but I figured I would put this comment up here.
Overall its a cool scope (weight & price) but I wasn't in love with it. PA customer service was awesome and I look forward to getting more products from them.
As a PLXc enjoyer, I’m looking forward to watching this on my break. Nothing like a bit of purchase validation as a treat.
Edit: I’ve watched it. I agree on all points. The reticle and illumination is the only thing keeping this thing from perfection. If it had the FCDMX reticle and the illumination of a Nightforce, it would be 10/10. That said, the reticle is still totally usable and I was able to get very consistent hits at 380m with my 14.5”.
me watching videos for every product i own because theyre 'the best'
I ended up with the Trijicon TR-24 something or another…it’s good enough for my gamer gun.
I have been saving up for a MK5hd for my long range rifle, here in Calizuela the PRS/NRL game is just about the only game we have available with any reasonable regularity.
@@ninjasquirrels you won’t be dissatisfied. I’ve got a mk5hd illum 3.6-18 on my 6.5 creed. It’s amazing in all regards.
Elcan still better
@@balanar3223 elcan is overpriced and I own several. Bought them used, cause tactical Timmy’s are daft and buy overpriced shit.
I miss my razor 1-6 e , but I sold them both for NV and finishing my Hk416 and I’m happy but now that I’m back in the market for an LPVO this one consistently keeps coming up as something that is worth buying for sure. I keep hearing great things about this thing and I really want one, everyone I’ve seen with it seems to LOVE it
Selling shit to afford other expensive shit is the lifestyle of poors
@@TheBawbSagetWell most of us are poors
@@TheBawbSagethigher end stuff sells pretty easily and close to msrp surprisingly. Just go look at the people buying anything aimpoint on gafs for 5 dollars less than new prices.
Why wouldn’t I sell to some sucker like you so I can try new things while my eyes are still young
I think one of the reasons that LPVOs are so ideal on a 5.56 AR is that the ideal range for a 1-8 LPVOs is 25-600 yards. (Really more 50 yards on the low but who cares) this also lines up really well 5.56 ballistically where 25-500 is going to be relatively flat shooting and still have enough energy on target. You can push it to 700 with the rounds and a 1-8 but it's going to struggle.
Thats whete 2-10, 2-12, and 2.5-15
Come in
@@shaolinwarriormarkit’s also a limitation of the round at those distances as well not just the optic
@shaolinwarriormark but then you have the issue of the round loosing ft/lbs. In ideal conditions 77gr 5.56 @700 yards has about as much energy as 9mm. At 800 its less than a .38 sw. So at those ranges outside of the effective range of a 1-8 that you loose effective energy on target.
@@roseprecision they took 5.56 out to 1100 yards b4
@shaolinwarriormark @1100 yards 77gr 5.56 has ~150ft/lbs of energy and ~60 MOA rise, just because you can punch paper at those ranges doesn't mean that it's effective for combat. For context, at that range, 77gr 5.56 is slower than .22lr at point blank with only ~20 more ft/lbs of energy.
PLXc user here. Not watched yet but I agree. I like it more than my Vortex 1-10. Only problem is daylight bright reticle.
Exactly, so doesnt it piss you off that their cheapest lpvo has one?
@@davidlong6796I have both of these scopes and it doesn't bother me at all because I know that the technology in the two scopes is very different. FFP vs sfp illumination is just different. It's way easier to make a super bright while still affordable optic using sfp. FFP can be made bright but it's expensive and the battery life is crap anyway.
@@beardly0121 i didnt realize their high end lpvo was ffp only. I will adjust my comment to say that all sfp lpvos should be this bright.
After seeing your review on the Primary Arms SLX I bought one for $305 with mount. I’m new to LPVOs and this was my first one. I’m very happy with it especially with the Nova reticle. I guess the PLX is the gold standard now and maybe one day I’ll have one. Optic technology is moving fast and it’s expensive trying to keep up.
100 % right . Plx c with the M8 raptor is the best. I was saying a year ago.
The complex M8 reticle is the only reason why I would use an lpvo. If I wanted something simple, I would just stay with the Red Dot with the 6X magnifier. In that case I can remove the magnifier at night for a lighter gun. If I'm going to carry a pound and a half on top of the gun, it better have a complex reticle that gives me lots of information.
Thanks again for the excellent video. If it weren't for the current geopolitical circumstances I would look forward to a future when we can design and apply our own reticles and have different ones for different ranges and conditions on the same scope.
Don't live your life based on what politicians say is right and wrong
@fullfofire why does the current geopolitical circumstance make a difference then?
Vic you really think the world's going to end, I didn't think THATs what you were saying
@@chadwik4000 I don't imagine that the "world will end" but I do very much fear that war, economic decoupling, and debt crises will cause a severe depression and supply chain disruption to the point where new tech products, at the very least, may no longer be available (to me anyway). I don't believe or not believe anything though. I just assign varying degrees of vague and changing probability to events and notions.
@@chadwik4000 I am a long time history and economics buff. I'll admit that I have been reading books like The End of the World is Just the Beginning" (written before the beginning of the war and is perhaps still a bit hyperbolic on some points) which is about the effects of possible if not probable de-globalization. I am old enough to remember doom saying like that that Paul Ehrlich and his being completely wrong. I thought he was a twit when he was on Johnny Carson's Tonight Show. I have long been a cornucopian rather than Malthusian but events and trends of recent history have me rattled a bit.
I’ve been a PA fan for several years and they continue to impress
Really like mine, meter version. Only tiny complaint is I wish the BDC verticle reticle was thinner. Had good experience with their warranty after moisture got in a 5X prism scope I bought years ago
Ive taken this scope(meter version) out to 539yds on a 6arc and it did great. Plan was to replace it with a NF 3-18 but as well as it did im not going to change it out. I swapped out the top cap with the optional dial and im glad i did.
Best LPVO on the market in any price range in my opinion. Good vid.
I love when ScopeFacts uploads new video
A simple crosshair instead with moa or mil hashes should be the norm for scopes because no one has the same setup as what the bdc is set for
Bdc is mostly about close enough
That BDC works perfectly for both my 77gr TMK when ranging in yards on my personal rifle, and also with M855A1 when using meters on my work M4. It works with a good number of people. Maybe it doesn’t work for 55gr. Don’t know, don’t use that stuff beyond plinking within 200 yards and so I haven’t checked the drops. But I bet it would still be pretty damned close out to 400 yards/meters.
Good thing there’s a mil version
@@pb7087 55gr when zeroed per instruction is on out to 700
The griffin mil would be your happy medium between the meter/ yard versions with bdc’s. Use your mil grid and adjust…
I got lucky snagging one of these a short bit ago and one of the best things I don't think you got to mention was how good the 1x is on these. It really is fantastic.
Did you even watch the video? He literally speaks about the 1x for about 2 minutes of the 14 minute video.
Have had mine almost 2 months and I’m loving it. I got the yards reticle and used strelok for holds and it works like a charm. I was going to buy an offset but there is no point, the 1x is perfect. This scope will ruin your other LPVOS
I love the Chevron. It allows you to get on target quickly with pinpoint accuracy at the tip.
I cant help but think that your over all impression may have been different with the Meters version vs the yards. The meters reticle is much cleaner and easier to use at range.
I've used both. The meters is cleaner, but we're kidding ourselves if we think it's "clean"
I do need a meter one though, all my shits in meters haha.
When i was looking for an lpvo my main purpose was to replace a red dot and magnifier combo. I ended up with the Trijicon accupoint 1-4 with the simple triangle post reticle and it has served me very well. The eyebox is generous, the 1x is great, its super light at just over 14oz, and the tritium fiberoptic combo is bright as shit when you need it and is dialable when you don't (no electricle tape required).
I love my accupoint but my god is the 4x horrid...
@@TerminalM193 yeah...there was a reason I didn't mention it😂 but it definitely beats the hell out of my 3x vortex magnifier.
I went with the steiner p4xi, but thats a good red dot mag replacement also
I genuinely look forward to your vids
Happy Friday
thanks man, means a lot.
Glad to be part of your friday.
For an lpvo, I prefer sfp. I do really like my razor gen 2-e. If they could put a better reticle in there with the same illumination and then magically knock it down to 15-18 oz, that would be as close to perfect as an lpvo can get.
I'm just sticking with my PST gen II. Little heavy, but I love it. Super fast on 1x and super passable to 400yds, and I much prefer SFP. Super clear, great eyebox, I just dig it.. and it was $450 on sale lol
Decided to upgrade personally... its definitely better, worth the upgrade imo. Got my plx-c for 1k so theres that.
@@XinthisisIs it possible to learn this power?
i have both.. well i have the PST gen 2 and the plx C nova in SFP . PLX is 2.5x more and alot lighter, but the viper may still be king.
@@cgarza1260 the viper is king of budget class optics that's for sure
Honestly tho my mindset has changed a bit. I wonder how if I'd be better off with a more useful reticle like an ACSS of some sort.
I've come to the conclusion I don't NEED daylight bright 1x of the PST since I have an offset 509T and instead a more viable longer range reticle with wind holds/ranging capability and a finer aiming point seems a better setup for taking a 14.5 to 500yds or even just more precision at 200yds.
As I start to shoot more at further ranges I realize the lack of usefulness of the PST reticle. It reigns supreme for fast 1x but reticle leaves a bit to be desired at longer range ESPECIALLY with wind in the mix.
I'm torn a bit lol
My next optic! I’ll buy that rail-mounted zoom adjuster too for the heck of it.
That rail zoom thing looks frikken awesome! Not cheap though! But I wouldnt trust it if it were $100, ya know?
That rail zoomer looks silly and gimmicky
Its an amazing scope! I have the meters version on my 14.5 and plan on getting a second one.
I have the older Gen version that I really like. The 1x reticle adjustments they did on this version look fantastic.
Good stuff. I think the weak illumination deserves a mention in context of 1x performance. Like you point out in the beginning, folks want LPVOs to function as an 'almost red dot' on 1x. The reticle features that help draw your eye to the center are useful, but a super bright dot is useful-er. I had a NX8 for a while and couldn't get over some of its flaws, but really appreciated the brightness of the reticle. I'm not a huge Vortex fan, but the Razors shine in the brightness feature, which is a huge plus at 1x. In this price bracket, I think I'd still opt for a Gen 2-e over the PLXC for the 1x performance + brightness. The weight savings and extra 2x are big pluses for the PA, but I can get over an LPVO being SFP as I'm typically gonna crank up to max mag on an LPVO if I'm shooting far enough to need hold data.
so red dot or bust huh.
@@BrassFactsNo, but if you’re going to claim a product to be the best, it has to be the best in critical categories. Even though LPVOs are magnified optics, 1X performance and usability (cough cough daylight capable red dot) in 1X is a critical category.
For this reason I bit the bullet and purchased the NF ATACR 1-8. For assurance I also mounted a FDE Aimpoint ACRO P2 on a Arisaka 45 degree offset.
@@Peezy71421 agreed. Whenever I consider an LPVO, I put it up against my Steiner P4Xi. 1x, illumination, weight, clarity, eye box. It has everything I want other than the magnification. If I'm going to upgrade, I don't want to downgrade any of these critical factors.
@@ForOrAgainstUs Indeed! Also Steiner is criminally underrated in the optics game.
I think the reticle is far more important than the illumination. As long as it draws your eye in nbd. Also with a offset or top dot. Then it’s moot
Good dog at the end. Put a smile on my face seeing it enjoy the snow.
This optic is outstanding I'm slowly getting rid of my other lpvo's and ordering the PLX-C.
If they come out with a day light bright one like their newest SLX that they just released, I'll be first in line to snag one.
That giant chevron (and chevrons in general) just ruin it for me. It blocks so much of your sight picture when trying to shoot in the 200-300 yard/meter range with wind. But I do appreciate that PA finally added tall crosshairs that help you find the center on 1x without illumination.
Maybe it was just my PLx but from 0-10 yards I couldn’t adjust the diopter correctly to have both the reticle and the lens image clear at 1x. Went to the NX8 and it’s 1x benefits outweigh the eye box negatives with zero blurry image.
I wish I had people like you that lived around me. I get so bored doing this all on my own.
for the requirement of magnification and 1x the best options right now are probably this Primary Arms LPVO or a TA31 Acog with red dot mounted on top.
It's so hot outside, this video gives me much needed chills.
Trying to decide between this and the Razor Gen III 1-10.. right now I'm thinking that the PLXc's strengths don't really make up for where it's lacking.
Like one strength you pointed out is how it has a great 1x field of view and stadia that extend all the way out, BUT the illumination is not bright enough to match a red dot. Another is how it has 8x power BUT its reticle is really busy and most likely annoying to use.
In my mind, if I'm getting an LPVO to replace my more traditional setup, which is an acog/piggybacked red dot combo, it NEEDS to have three key things:
-a great 1x that is bright enough to be on par with red dots. if it can be that bright, then to me that gives it enough advantage (through allowing a full cheekweld rather than having to chinweld my piggyback) that it is worth the trade of having to work a magnification dial every time I want to change my view. Same reasoning behind that as people like yourself's reason for liking Elcan Spectres. If it isn't going to be red dot bright, I would much rather use piggyback red dot for close range, personally. I want as little delay in aquiring the center of the reticle as is possible since 1x and red dots are for up close and personal, where speed comes first in gunfights. And nothing beats a red dot as far as the eye's speed in finding it.
-a good high magnification view that makes it desirable over my acog on all points; more zoom that allows me to see better at distance--meaning close or equal glass clarity as Trijicon is needed, and a FFP BDC reticle that is still fairly usable at full power (I can be a little forgiving of a tighter eyebox at max magnification)
-more useful info provided through the reticle than an acog does (WITHOUT being busy) including a quick autorange silhouette measuring reference, BDC lines and wind holds.
I loved their older simple reticle. They are out of control now
Thanks for the video, I agree about the 1x and bought an SLX NOVA because I didn't want to run a 1x scope and have to run a red dot too.
Press-ALL notifications. Love your videos. I tell myself you don’t live in a house. You live among the topography.
💯% agree about the modern PA’s reticles being a victim of feature creep and waaay too busy.
I love PA’s stuff, especially their prism scopes, but yeah………….
1x reticle is the main reticle on an LPVO imo.. it should be setup as such with good clarity, reticle to the user, and then a useable 6x/8x
Have you looked at the Marsh one to 10 Shorty dual plane?
Best part was your dog pulling his best SCARFACE impersonation.😂
COCAINE
You’re videos keep getting better and better brother
That reticle fade from real time to overview was beautiful
By far my favorite LPVO. I think the glass quality is excellent throughout. LPVO's always come with compromises.
The main issue that is draws complaints about this LPVO is the lack of daylight brightness. True - the illumination is pretty bad. I dont find it necessary to be daylight bright in most applications.
With that said I have an offset red dot on both of my rifles with the PA PLX-C. So I have redundant 1x.
While your breakdown of what an LPVO should be used for makes a lot of sense, I slightly disagree for my own personal use case.
The 1x effectively functions as an "in case" option. I typically keep my 1-8x locked in at 4x with a top dot for when I need to break off of magnification and make quick shots.
This probably comes from mg experience as a deer hunter 🤷♂️ even on my bolt action, I've run a top mounted dot over a 4-12x duplex scope for years, and I've shot more bucks within 35 yards using the dot than I have through the scope beyond that.
The only time I crank down to 1x is if I'm training CQB, and my scope's 1x is really more of a 0.9x. If I'm using it for CQB, I'll have time to adjust precisely to a true 1x 🤷♂️ if I dont have that time, I'm using the top dot. The 8x is obviously for distance shooting. Self explanatory.
I also believe FFP is wasted on an LPVO. A good horseshoe + chevron/dot SFP reticle with a minimalist BDC/ranging tree accurate at max magnification is more than enough, and SFP scopes also tends to cut cost. By a lot.
My training rifle runs the UTG 1-8x SFP BG4 LPVO, and aside from the weak illumination, I find it every bit as useful as the Vortex and Primary Arms LPVOs I have on my safe queens.
A top dot isnt a fix for a piss poor 1x, but for the weight penalty you pay and the benefits you get in return, everyone should run one. Especially once you start playing around with your zeroes, factoring in the additional height over bore.
I run a +5" height top dot on my SPR build with a PA SLX 4-14x44, 20" barrel. Running M193, I routinely make 9-10/10 shots on 12x12 steel targets as far out as 300 yds using a 75 yd zero. Its almost a cheat code. Whatever your dot touches anywhere from 0 to 300, with that zero, you're hitting in the vitals box.
@Lost_Achaean a little more harsh than I would have put it, but yes. I agree.
Plus he's selling a product, and focusing on its strong points. Not that I know or care if there's anything transactional between him and Primary Arms, I just assume all product reviews are trying to sell something 🤷♂️
I get a lot of good info from this channel, but I disagree heavily with his LPVO philosophy. Doesn't necessarily mean he's wrong, it might work well for him.
Rifles are tools. Set your tools up to work best for you. 🤷♂️
@Lost_Achaean Appreciate it bud.
Both times I deployed, my unit mostly ran ACOGs or dots. I found the piggyback dot to be very effective.
Honestly, if I had to recommend a good budget setup to someone looking for a jack of all trades optics lineup, I'd steer them towards a Shepherd Optics Rugged 3-9x40 in R22 reticle.
You're looking at roughly a $250-300 scope with a very usable reticle, great glass for the money and just short of Nightforce, Swarovski or Zeiss tier optic quality. Their Rugged 1-8x LPVO in R-Mil is a great scope for the $350-$400 range as well.
With their 3-9x, a solid budget mount and a Holosun 407c X2, you're up and running for $600 or so. That 3-9x, for the price, beats out any 2.5-10x I've had my hands on.
@Lost_Achaean
I just realized I posted this in the wrong comments section 🤣
I'm currently working on an ultralight build using a TN Arms Co polymer lower, moe fixed stock, SWFA ultralight 2.5-10x and a Midwest Industries ultra lightweight 12.6" handguard. I'll be running an ballistic advantage 14.7" pencil profile, pinned & welded with a YHM T2 Turbo flash hider/suppressor combo.
I'm debating on which light to run. I've had good luck on my trainer with an Inforce dual output light, and with it being a polymer housing, it'd fit in well with the lightweight build. It'd also save me about $300 over a Surefire haha.
I'll most likely run a top mounted Holosun 407c x2.
The whole rifle, loaded, should weigh around 8-8.5 lbs with the can.
I could probably squeeze it down to < 8 lbs by ponying up for some titanium parts, like the BCG and gas block... and running a carbine weight buffer. but I'm pretty happy with how it handles without the suppressor as it is.
Frankly, I wish my M4 had been build just like it. Even if the optic doesn't have the best glass.
I'm doing a fairly high end 14.5" build and was going to just get a budget end sub $500 Lvpo just to get shooting. Was considering the Arken Ep-8 or one of the cheaper Primary Arms models but stumbled across the Athlon Ares ETR FFP 1-10-24 Lvpo on Optics Planet 28% off for about $750. My Dad has one of their high end long range optics and that thing is crispy. Definitely excited and hoping to get some good price/performance out of the Athlon.
See this scope was made for people like me, im weird because i like reticles that most people would call "busy" and im not a fan of very barebones reticles. Your main gripe is my biggest selling point. It gives me a "donut of death" on a good 1x and then if i dial in for a more precise shot i have the reticle to assist in that extra precision.
It also helps that i live in a *VERY* green world instead of a reddish-brown one so i dont need as much contrast to highlight my reticle.
This might be the "perfect" LPVO for people who do live in a "green" world.
As an owner of the older PLX 1-8, the PLXc is very compelling, especially in that weight category with a 30mm body. But I think I'll wait for the inevitable PLX Nova before I go for one or the other.
PLX-C nova would likely just be a 8x 1-6x Razor HD-E
Which is actually quite "meh"
The thing to look out for is the PLX-C with a different type of daylight illum they teased verbally. Will cost about 500 bucks more though.
@@BrassFacts When did they tease this?
@@BrassFacts that could be $500 well spent. Saving you another $500 for an Aimpoint and mount along with the extra weight.
@@BigTeeze verbally in a couple interviews.
i feel that the aurora is the best compromise for their reticles sans going to a mill grid and do-doing M A T H... lol if they DROP THE CHEVRON AND GIVE US THE AURORA DOT imo it would be the best
I have the predecessor 1-8 plx acss griffin. I prefer it. Its not as busy its built for dialing and crystal clear. It is longer and heavier but i dont mind that for my purposes.
Ok, so I just got my plxc mounted and zeroed today. Holy crap what a 1x. I ordered both the Razor Gen 2 e and the plxc to compare. The plxc is way more true of a 1x than the razor. Idk if I got a razor lemon, or my eyes just dont like it. Indoors the razor sucks and a lot of fish eye inside of 15 to 20 ft. The plxc is the best 1x I've seen yet no fish eye even at like 10ft. Even indoors, it looks pretty good. The eye box on 8x js not nearly as tight as I expected. Its about the same as the nova 1-6 on 6x. Im returning the razor and keeing thr nova 1-6 and plxc 1-8.
Red dot and magnifier gang rise up!!
Magnified Prism's, way to go.
ACOGs son
They need a gen2 with daylight brightness like the nova.
It's _so_ close.
I definitely view it as the best civilian optic. Does very well the closer you are but handles long range reasonably and is incredibly light weight.
What's it lacking vs Military and LEO?
@45calibermedic lol nothing, don't t know what he's talking about. There is a rumored vortex 1-10x compact out there, tho
Have you looked at the March 1-10? I'm really interested in it as it's an lpvo with parallax adjustment.
I've been wanting to see their 1.5-15 compared to others in the 'spr optic' category.
I’m extremely satisfied with mine.
I’m so glad you mentioned the elcan. When I hear you say “THE F***ING ONE EXXXXXXX” combined with “i spent most of my time at 3-4x,” my very first thought was …. Why don’t companies try to make an elcan ? Rather, why not a vortex razor 1x / 4x elcan competitor, why not a Trijicon Acog with a 1x hidden inside that Thang? Also, why not use the Acog glass in a magnifier? I held my TA31 up to my UH-1 gen 2 and was blown away at how much better it looked than any other magnifier i had ever seen (the crooked half upside down bit I could see made the holographic reticle look ridiculously good with that Japanese glass, and we could get such a high quality magnifier image to solve this perpetual 1x + 3-4x problem if other companies won’t emulate the elcan specter d.r., which is seriously like cherry picking the very best parts out of the very best LPVO you’ve ever seen and putting them in one optic, or maybe think of it like an ACOG with a great variant of the crosshair reticle with a daylight bright dot, that also magically retains that same ACOG glass quality and reticle when it shrinks back to 1x.
All roads lead back to elcan despite my rambling. Surely though, you see my point about how you essentially highlighted the ways it’s like an Elcan as the selling points, then sort of gave us the bad news about how it’s actually an Lpvo outside of its 1x and 3-4x, but with a worse reticle. And with no discounts and a Scalarworks mount, it’s gonna be pretty GOL DURN close to the $1900 Eurooptics price on the elcan. I still want to try this now but ACOGs, Elcans, and EXPS3’s/UH1’s with nice magnifiers have solidified my confusion about why we love LPVO’s so much. I
Got a 1-10 vudu and I disliked it so much that I literally remember feeling like my first Lpvo (when I thought I was about to love them and almost did because it was( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°), a vortex viper PST 1-6 , which was way better than the vudu 1-10 from all my memories.
I guess I’m just saying I wish that the elcan wasn’t one off and that companies would recognize what you’re saying about LPVO’s- we want them to have red dot / reflex optic quality 1x, and a usable mid range magnification power, like a TA31/TA11. I’m rambling still. Elcan elcan elcan (acog+509T) elcan elcan elcan
5/5 bonus doggo footage
Review was excellent too, as always!
Finished work, and now it's time to feed the algorithm.
I wish theyd make this scope with the ACSS M2 reticle, the 3x I currently run has it and I generally find it to be a nicer reticle than the M8.
Your video editing skills have come quite a long ways. It would be great for you to do a video on your video editing skills, what you use and how you put it all together because some of us out here would like to make videos but don't know anything about putting it all together.
I wish i had seen your review of their nova before I jumped. I bought 3 of them based on other reviews. They made it seem like it was compared to the razor for 370 bucks. For those 3, i eas basically at the cost of the plxc. That looks amazing, though. I've been horribly disappointed with the SLX.
I'm no longer a "believer" in the LPVO. IMO they're the sort of thing which SEEMS like it should answer all questions, but I don't believe practical reality supports that. First, they "want" to do all jobs, but a single optic SIMPLY CANNOT accomplish that. Thus, they're crappy as a substitute red dot, and crappy as a substitute longer range scope. Add the fact that you really MUST have some sort of back-up sighting system -- and a good example of which is an offset red dot. But then, with THAT, you no longer need the 1X scope. My vote is for a 3x to 5x prism scope, with an offset red dot.Then, you CAN do most things you want, within 300-400 yards, and yes, while it takes two optics, they're only a slight "swivel" away, and DO NOT REQUIRE taking your hands off the rifle. Plus, you already have a back-up sight, too. If that's not enough, then replacing the 3x to 5x prism with something like....the Athlon Helos BTR 2-12 x 44 FFP scope will allow you to range, focus/parallax, and holdover/turret WITH full illumination for ranging and holdovers in low light -- and again, you still have your back-up. Oh, and one more thing: it's much trickier to trust your LPVO as a "real" red dot because none of them have the battery life (or, mostly, the brightness) on which to base your confidence.
EDIT: Its an LPVO. Not meant for SPR setups, but does a great job for a GPR setup is essentially what video states.
Also, have you tested out the new GLX 3-18 or the old GLX 2x prism? Would be interested to hear your assessment of them. Finally, is the Scopeswitch worth it or nah?
the 2x is nice, the large apparent FOV makes it feel like a much high mag scope. never owned one though.
the 3-18 is currently being reviewed, also decent
the scope switch is WIP. See instagram for a initial observation
@@BrassFacts wanted to give you a heads up. TH-cam did not notify me of your response. Secondly, is your IG under the same name? I cant find it in search.
@@Xinthisis it's linked in the description
This has been on my radar for ages. Well not ages, but when they released em.
Well I sought out a PST Gen II MRAD on your constant recommendation, 350 on UTG, tossed it in a sweet Reptilia AUS and I love it.
Have you tried the Kahles yet? I love the K16, hoping to check out the K18 this summer.
Been waiting for this review, gracias!
Mine is out for delivery right now per your recommendation a while back! Took 5 weeks on back order.
The part when you showed the 1x performance felt like literal magic, it almost looked like a red dot sight. Also for some reason there's some slight buzzing/hissing sound jn the background audio.
Thumbs-up for adorable dog in snow footage. I think you said something about a scope too.
You, Hop, and Deltathirtyfour have such stellar info. You all need 10m subs
I have a PLx-C and really like it, although it kind of sucks above 6x. AO would fix that, but only the March compact has that for 2x the price. My other favorite scope is a Vector Continental 1 - 6 x 24, it's really good and doesn't need AO due to excellent glass.
ACSS like all innovations are subject to “cramming” - sticking in “features” nobody asked for but engineering can do. My fave long black rifle reticle for sure but don’t overshoot market expectations just to get upgrades.
I got the griffin MIL version. Just took it out last weekend to zero it and use it for the first time. I was blown away by it.
I'm using the vortex razor 1x6 gen 2 e I believe it will do what I need it to do the first focal plan thing don't bother me because if I'm shooting out to 200 were I have it zero it's going to hit were I aim on any power any thing over 200 I just jump it straight to 6 then all my drops are the same hold all the time as to were I have done figured my holds out so it's all good as long as that thing keeps its zero
Good review! Just wrapping up mine. I love that reticle though... But I'm a griffin fan boy haha -Walsh
To make it perfect, take aluminum black to the logo. It takes a while but it looks badass.
Thanks. You convinced me to buy a scope that requires me to buy another rifle.
I spent some money and got this LVPO for the already expensive rifle I bought… no regrets happy with the purchase but I have a few gripes.
The ranging on the reticle is funky. I wish they did a dot than a chevron, just my preference. And you lose the image pretty easy on 8x based on your eye position.
It’s growing on me. The image quality is great and the 1x is the best I’ve ever seen through an LVPO. But I feel I could have gone with a lower budget PA and I would have been just as happy.
Good review as always.
I'll never spend over a grand on a scope that isn't for Hunting/ precision purposes.
I think I only have one scope that's over 1k.
It's sitting on my waypoint.
I have zero issues hitting out to 700+ yards with my $300 dollar, gen 3 slx 1-6. I guess if I ever have to worry about the 1x on it, which is highly unlikely, I'll switch over to my sidearm.
They got the nova now so best of both worlds the sun as a reticle and an amazing 1x
oh that wonderful consistent trigger control.
Firing on all joke cylinders, lack of brass facts, 1X autism... Pure gold
Razor/Kahles>Delta Stryker/Trijicon Credo 1-6>PA PLXc>PST Gen2.
Keep up the no-nonsense video + cute dog shots. We'll even overlook your LARPing intro 😂
Try looking at the discovery optics. Insane quality and adjustable parallax. Just heavy and meh illuination
Currently still running their budget 1-8 sfp. Been thinking of upgrading but haven’t nailed down what i want. This is pretty close on the list
With all those stadia lines, i feel like if you were looking from a distance into heavy brush or a tree line, it may be difficult to detect slight movements due to not being able to recognize actual movement because it may look like something is moving if a line/lines move by a branch or shadow.
Now that im done with that run on sentence, id say its way too busy. It may work for bench rest shooters but not practical for defense
I shall be purchasing this. Thanks for the affirmation
If primary arms is listening: make a LPVO with these qualities and will be an absolute game changer:
1. Same excellent 1x
2. Same size and weight
3. Aimpoint bright!!
4. Top magnification of 4x! That is plenty and will help eyebox / scope performance. Magnification wars of LPVOs are losing sight of what the purpose is to the detriment of the performance.
5. Less busy reticle. Preferably the horseshoe with bdc drops.
6. Capped turrets
7. Clear cross hairs like the schmidt and bender
8. Oh yeah and must be FFP