Is Antivirus Worth It?
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- To many advanced users, Antivirus IS worthless. That is because it uses system resources and provides more annoyances than benefits. However, for many users it is required as they will not know what is a virus or not.
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00:00 What I do with Antivirus for me
01:00 How to scan without Antivirus
01:45 False Positives
02:40 The Guide and what NOT to do
04:40 Code Signing and bypassing Antivirus
08:06 Bypassing ALL Antivirus
09:35 Recommended Antivirus programs .
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What about Quick heal... Kindly try and give your review please
What about Immunet?
- Google bought VirusTotal several years ago, so keep that in mind. Don't create an account, or use it in a sandboxed VM/profile or whatever to prevent Google from tracking what files you have.
- Some companies will specifically tell antivirus vendors to add files they don't like even if they aren't malware.
- Gotta love that bit about how individual devs get flagged as malware while corporations can pay to get a pass. 😒
Cracks are always detected as malware.
or use linux and be careful, to have protection from 95% of virus...
intezer analyze is a better version of virustotal.because it actually tells you what the programm does.
I mean giving up your data for a free antivirus doesnt actually sound that bad, a lot of us have used facebook whats the big problem?
@@yunfeichen9255 What's facebook?
I've been telling clients pretty much the same thing for a couple decades. It's good to see someone else saying it. And thank you for the de-bloat script. Fedora is my daily driver and I still use PS vs GIMP for graphics and it helped with my virtual Win10 box overhead.
As far as I can gather, McAfee was the first anti-virus software, created in 1986. ESET was first created in 1987.
I definitely wouldn't recommend McAfee though, and the late John McAfee didn't recommend it either in later years.
I mean, McAfee hadn't exactly been a stable, considered and trustworthy voice in anything for like 20, 25 years at the time of his death
@@TAP7a at all
McAfee and Norton were the end all be all in the DOS days and through the '90's. In my opinion ESET wasn't great till the late '90's. That being said I still occasionally use ESET and Trend Micro online tools.
I was unaware of John McAfee's death until your comment....RIP
@@TAP7a Why? Because he spoke the truth about the DEEP STATE?
Great video, Chris! Something else to keep in mind is to check for any pre-installed antivirus bloatware when buying a new computer.
I bought my laptop 7 years ago (I didn't switch to Linux yet back then). As soon as I bought it, I installed ESET Nod32 Antivirus, which slowed things to a crawl and made the laptop completely unusable. It took me 2 factory-resets before I realized that HP was bundling in some McAfee garbage with the laptop, and it was running in the background without any indication (no tray icon or anything). Removing that and leaving ESET's Nod32 Antivirus only solved the problem.
SUPERB GUIDE!
I hope this helps many people not get viruses and not get ripped off by using the wrong anti-virus software.
What are you thoughts on PC Matic? Would that be a poor choice and why or why not? Thanks for all your great work and information I've learned so much here.
Nice video, Chris!
Anti Virus that I've used never caught a virus, but I had to deal constantly with the Anti Virus pop-ups.
That would technicality be malware vs virus. Malware can lead someone to downloading a virus that causes true damage. However Malware is localized and just annoying to possibly yes the point of wanting to and someone’s at least temporarily pulling the plug. As to where a virus is replicating across media back in the day and more commonly in recent days across a local network, and the web if infected servers are accessed. There’s more details but that’s the nut shell.
With Avast : put it in silent mode and the popups stop. Other AV must also have a silent or gaming mode. I can't say I've seen a virus either, but the popups were infuriating.
Pardon for my horrible english: In my home we are using linux since years. Some friends use Windows I recommend them disable Windows Defender and use "Eset Scanner online", not background work, more resources but you must check in manual mode between 3 or 5 days... Good vídeo, cheers from Argentina!
7:39 - well, to be fair, the bar *should* be pretty high to do something that effectively bypasses antivirus. If it was easy to do, people who make malware / viruses would be much more inclined to do it.
It is easy to make viruses, They just need to be customly written so they won't be available on virus databases and thus undetectable. Coding them in rare/obscure programming languages helps in achieving that goal.
People write new malware and viruses every day. Especially nation state funded actors who understand enumeration and multiple languages. Combine that knowledge with some zero day, and you have a million dollar program in your pocket ready for sale to the highest bidder.
Great video Chris. Made me re-think.
You made my day: " I rather have a virus than "that"..... " 99% of this virus software is quiet annoying. Popups/messages, popups/messages, popups/messages... even popups/messages that you deactivated popups/messages.
First thing with a new computer: Deinstallation of any virus software which comes with the new computer.
@@hrmf32 I didn't say that the popups are malware. This popups I mentioned are from the anti virus software itself. Popup for news, popup for updates, popup for "you deactivated the popups", popups to buy a full version, popups to buy a professional version. Turn off Norton Command and Norton Commander will tell you every day with a popup that you turned Norton Command off.
Hi Chris, have u got chance to use F-Secure tools? I haven't seen those on the comparison table so maybe it's worth checking ;)
F-Secure is very good and fairly light too, so usually won't slow down a computer too much. But it can be more expensive than some other paid antiviruses.
Personally I’ve got bitdefender because I go web surfing on old school sites which are riddles with Injection scripts so it has helped me and I do have a use case. When I comes to downloading exes just use a package manager like scoop
Did you get Bitdefender AV or its security suite?
Can you please make a video about too many Razer process running in the background , you said you are going to make a video about this a year ago , that's why I'm asking !
Norton Internet Security is crippleware. I'm not a fan of AV, but I think there are plenty of people that should have AV software.
I turn of scheduled scans as I only need to do it once; every file I download or unpack is being scanned anyway, no need for Windows Defender to scan the same static files over and over.
Good info.
I use malwareBytes with real time security off, I manually start the service and scan if and when I want to.
Virus Total is a great service tbh, even though there are size restrictions to the files. It was created by a security company in my country, I was amazed to learn that lol
Good topic, but what for the average users? Do you think you were/are helping them?
Hey Chris! You look awesome with a beard!
Have you tested the bypass against McAfee ENS TP + ATP? Curious to see what the result would be.
Great vid! Maybe a "best" win defender config for a gaming and minimun safe web browsing, video would be nice. Its the only thing I use as I share my PC with my 8yr old son son no adult things on that PC lol
uBlock Origin stops you from connecting to dangerous domains, surely you don't need more
@@nelisezpasce yeah I got thos ad blockers. Cant remember if its ublock or adblock but I got it.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge
I'll second the recommendation for NOD32. NOD32 is the chad AV, if you really need to get a paid one... I've been using and recommending it (when necessary) for *years*. Their Smart Security suite used to be really good (was a breeze to manage client machines with the server software)... but it's gone the way of McAfee and Norton in the last decade. Also... Getting a code-signing cert is a total pain in the ass, I will agree... I think it took about a month or two the last time I needed one, and that was going through internal procurement for a very large tech company... it was also obscenely expensive, which made for a tough conversation when we presented our client with the bill for it. 😂
If you recommend ESET NOD32, why do you include MalwareBytes in your Windows Utility, but not NOD32? Would you recommend not using MWB?
My thought is that AntiVirus is still worth for general users. You can't expect a general person with security mind-set. However, the most reliable security tool is the "mind-set". My personal favourite is one from Romania - no ads here.
Honestly windows defender seems to do fine now for your average user. I have it on but it’s mostly annoying as I sometimes download ummm ‘suspect’ files and it always picks them as false positives. Either way I always have internet disconnected, make sure i Windows firewall everything that file installs and have glasswire firewall making programs ask to connect. At the end of the day though I’m happy to take the risks. Theres nothing on my computer worth stealing and i have it setup so a reinstall in a quick process.
I'm using Avast free on Windows 7. Avast is running in silent mode and there are no popups. I doubt that paid antivirus isn't selling you out just the same as the free version. Information is the currency and software is the vehicle used to acquire it. By that analogy Windows 10 would stop sending telemetry to Microsoft once it was activated.
Avast and AVG in Silent mode and Minimal configuration works for me and my clients...
I agree with you, but I also break some of your rules. I run Malwarebytes (legacy lifetime license, manual scans) along with NOD32, and best of all TinyWall as a whitelist firewall, I also use multiple ad/malware/cookie blockers/detectors, and I have an ever increasing list of permanently blocked addresses simply in my host file. They all do different things for me (yes, I'm a manual update guy - something often causes incompatibility or has a new exploit in it). If I was just a gamer, Windows Defender would be fine (and it's what I recommend to most), but I do too much work on my computer to risk trusting MS with everything (yes, I realise the irony of the risk potential by giving this much access/trust to other companies/people to my systems).
Only problem for most people ive noticed from av’s is the ram usage
Something as lightweight as "simplewall" does its job well! Just blocking unwanted domains from ever connecting to you is so effective!
well, this video is worth to watch for sure!
Words bypassing antivirus and ransom should not be ever put toogether in a youtube video
When I ran MS Windows on my systems I never installed any Antivirus software, They only drain your resources, People need to learn not to click on everything, Just like you stated, I used VirusTotal to scan websites that I was unsure about and Downloaded files. Very rarely did I have issues with Viruses/malware. Yet still got tired of MS and moved onto better things Linux for the daily driver.
I think 90% of all the problems can be resolved with a good adblocker in the browser, because there you have lots of pop-ups and stuff. The rest is common sense not to click and download shady applications. And no, you're not the proud winner of anything.
@@Sindarul Exactly, Also forgot I did use uBlock Origin. Well damn I was hoping to be a Proud winner of the Lottery lmao.
The best AV software is an adblocker. 95% of all infections come from visiting a website if you are smart enough not to click on anything. I used to be a HUGE advocate for AV 10 years ago because going to CNN can get your machine hosed. Today, browsers and adblockers are sooo much better.
I am using pfSense community edition[ for internet gateway ] along with a few packages like pfblockerng, snort configured to operate on my outgoing interface [ Lan ], and with firewall rule to use only Cloudflare dns to all my devices. All operating systems[ Windows / Linux ] for all my devices are hardened [ Credit to you for your excellent debloat script and your various video's ], also use ssl/tls for dns .
Benefits : 1. Not faced a single issue of virus / malware in last 3 years. 2. Since , I am not using any third part antivirus, all systems are reasonably responsive. 3. Saved unnecessary expenses in buying anti-virus software.
Problem is the internet security packages sell cheaper than the stock anti virus.
What are your ideas on NORTON, o have used it for years and it realy slows down my whole system.
I had Windows 98SE and didnt know about antivirus and surfed 56 KB without this. My PC became glacial speedwise. I was advised to get a virus bought Norton from a store, and it found 18 viruses, 20 malware, and 'countless' files.
Bitdefender is good, if I were to ever pay for a Windows antivirus I would use Malwarebytes. In my experience it has been very lightweight, low false positives, and high detection rate even where others fall short. That said I'd love to hear other opinions on Malwarebytes
My experience with Malwarebytes has been pretty good. I keep it on my PC and scan once a week or so and maybe adwcleaner. At my previous job the client had ESET rolled out and detected nothing on a slow PC. Yeah lol so I decided to run a scan with Malwarebytes and found 1500 PUPs plus two trojans. I just keep the free version and scan regularly as i've said. Cheers
@@slomosapien9243 this is generally exactly what I do. Back in the Win7 days I used Avast, but since Defender beefed up I use it for active protection + timely Malwarebytes scans to catch what slips by and it works well.
If I were to pay for one, like I said I'd use Malwarebytes but imo that's the best free setup you can have & since I'm on Linux most of the time it's not worth the $
I'm a cybersecurity major so definitely security conscious
@@hrmf32 Care to elaborate on that? Not starting a fight, genuinely curious what you mean.
Well, it honestly depends on what you do on the internet and how paranoid you are. If you like downloading stuff (not just programs, but stuff like game mods too) and visiting random sites to search for whatever then I do recommend an AV, or atleast Malwarebytes or something for on-demand scanning. I'd never trust Defender with keeping my PC 100% secure as it's not good enough for that imo. (I even found it turned off once for no apparent reason, even with tamper protection on. Meh)
TLDR Manually running a malicious program isn't the only way to get infected as there's plenty of exploits out there and sometimes a good AV can save your butt, so keep that in mind.
Shouldn't uBlock Origin and maybe some HOSTS files be enough to filter entire "deplorable" domains?
People already do it for you: They keep those lists updated to never make a single connection ever!
@@nelisezpasce Eh, if you wanna trust that method that's fine, but it wouldn't be enough for my case imo
@@nelisezpascebetter use some DNS filter, like nextDNS etc so it works on the entire computer or network.
@@marco31 Eh, it sounds like a good method, but I still doubt it'll keep you 100% safe. Trojans/exploits exist for a reason and I simply appreciate every extra layer of security, even if it means giving up on some data.
Don't download games from free cracked game sites Don't click on random links you see in comment sections Don't click on links in emails, check the address, even Amazon and google emails check that address. Don't go on unsecure sites, your browser tells you at the top left corner unsecure, means leave fast. Don't go on the noodie sites. Most people infect themselves, by not following simple, best practices. In all the years I have used Linux, I have never had a virus nor has any of my freinds. Best practices and strong Passwords=less viruses.
I really don't think that encrypted archive can bypass any average AV software because once you extract the file(write to FS) - it will be scanned by AV and then one more time if you decide to run it.
But I agree on other points.
I did wonder this. Once it was extracted should the anti-virus then see it?
I think that exercise was to get it past virustotal, but yeah once on your computer it'll get scanned. Same technique could be used when uploading stuff to the cloud and you don't want MS or Google to scan the archives.
Just kept McAffee for a year cause it came free with the laptop. Removed it once it expired. The expired notice pop-ups were really annoying.
Thanks for the video. Nod32 and Kaspersky are good.
How do you feel about Malwarebytes?
You told us about Microsoft Defender (I also use Eset)... but what about Linux?
Ok, I haven't done the transition yet, I'm learning it on my virtual box, and it's so much more logical than MS. Should I worry much about viruses on a Linux distribution?
Thank you for your videos.
No , you should not worry about viruses as mutch as a smaller attack vector and more security features then windoes
@@Endermen1094 Thank you
@@gabrielagheorghe87 but only you must worry about phishinh attack (phishing website / phishing emails ......etc )
@@mrpro2264 True
@@gabrielagheorghe87 no problem
Just a weird question but: why dont you have before video recording anymore??
I don't use any Antivirus on my computers, but I do have Sophos XG running on a spare PC which has built-in AV & Malware scanning, and works pretty damn good. Especially with TLS DPI turned on, so it can scan even encrypted traffic. But either way, I'm pretty smart about how I browse online + I use Linux, so I think I'm pretty good.
I was expecting a list of antivirus for Linux. haha Glad that I made the switch from Win10 to "I am on Arch btw" about 3 years ago. Thanks Chris
Sticking to ESET for almost my entire using of my systems (those who deserve proper AV, rest have MSDefender). I dont even know it is running in the background until the popup alerts me of its work, the slowdown is not even noticable. and for a "bootleg" licence for 1/10th of price that is still providing a full security (all im giving up is remote management and licence management which I dont need) it's best option you can get.
What do you think of Immunet.
Can I ask you about Malwarebytes ?
Very good video btw
Many people find that Microsoft Defender noticably slows down their computers. If it doesn't, it's a good option, but if it does it makes sense to replace it with something lighter. Kaspersky Security Cloud is no longer supported and has been replaced by Kaspersky Free Antivirus, which has similar functionality. While Kaspersky is an excellent antivirus and there are aren't actually any privacy issues with it, and no, there are no security issues with using it, on low end computers it may cause slowdowns. AVG and Avast (both are the same product under different names these days), have free versions which are fairly light. You can get easily rid of the advertising in them. If you run the uninstaller, it will give you the option to keep using the product, but without ads. If you have a low end system and need something that is exceptionally light, ESET, which you recommended, is an excellent option.
It actually has come to the point in which commercial anti virus solutions struggle to get on par with Microsoft Defender
Defender isn't very good, and generally about middle of the pack in AV solutions.
Its not bad though, just not very good either. Tons of false positives, but overall its effective.
I found when I ran Win10 that M$'s AV worked very well. I cross-checked with MalwareBytes and never found anything I didn't expect, and no malware.
I would not be so confident about Microsoft Defender capabilities. Both Kaspersky or Bitdefender FREE offer superior protection than defender. On fighting ransomware defender is sub par, especially if you are not connected to internet.
Dear Chris you are doing awesome job by spreading correct information.
At one time you have suggested ESET Security. What do you think of it now?
OK If watched more of the video my question is answer
We are on the same wave. Thak you.
should I get bit defender total security 3year 1pc for around 10$. getting it from amazon India, I need it for my work pc
totally agree, if you dont want to pay windows defender and the one I recommend and sell NOD32, great discussion video
Can VirusTotal be used to scan very large files (like a pirated game)?
If you have to use Windows and Windows only software I would suggest that users be careful what they do on those machines. This is the best way to avoid viruses. I remember 20 or 25 years ago people were crazy about Virus scanning but Windows was so insecure that computers still got viruses. Mainly things like browser scripts or users installing software from all sorts of dubious sources.
The main rules on Windows must be:
Don't install software (get someone who knows what they are doing to do it for you);
Be careful what you click on (if in doubt don't click it)
If anything asks for authorization or wants to install something don't allow it.
I have similar concerns about firewalls - they used to be a popular solution to computer security as well.
You told about eset I think 1 or 2 years before I am it from that time really good antivirus fast and stable just how it is
I stick with ESET NOD32 on my windows systems, it just stays out of the way and does it's thing and I've used it for 15 years. The irony with AV products is that the longer and better you get with computing as a whole the less you tend to lean on AV software because you are just more diligent. That said I still renew my ESET subscription annually for my Windows systems.
Back in the Windows 7 days I used ADWCleaner coupled with CCleaner and Windows Defender. These probably suck now but they worked like a charm back then. I would just uninstall the program when I was done scanning. Nowadays I don't really use Windows (Dual boot for occasional games / School programs that don't work on Linux) so my machines are pretty clean. I just use Windows Defender.
You say use Defender in order to not have your data mined as if Microsoft software itself isn't borderline spyware :)
Rather have 1 company seeing my stuff then 2
@@LordExcursius exactly
@@LordExcursius Hence I go for the zero option and use foss like gnu/linux anymore.
Don't develop software for Microsoft operating systems, Microsoft would steal everything of value even customers like data of lawyers is sold to Microsoft business partners. And Microsoft operating system will soon be a subscription based cloud os.
Windows is the virus😲
I have tried and used AVG, Avast and they do not do what you say they do. You just use Silent mode and the minimal recommendation and its footprint is negligible...
Thank you!
What's the best realtime antivirus for Linux? I've only found comodo and, it's not very good
I use Immunet since is based on ClamAV which is great on Linux, no bloatware no unnecessary resource hogging
I understand the false positive detection of many utilities like script and cracks, but I'd not underestimate a false positive. And worse, antivirus that does not detecting anything.
If I use a non admin account will that protect me?
Hi I'm a techie from Mumbai India and i have tried every brand in the market but I'm in full agreement when you say ESET was and is the best Antivirus software in the last 20 year's. I have only trusted my PC with ESET and none other.
Wow, The Lord of the Rings Online... Brings back memories.
Been using paid Sophos for years now. It stays totally out of the way and detection is great. I keep everything behind an Untangle firewall too.
I haven't used an AV for more than decade, it is useful only if you want a slower PC.
I mostly just scan things "as and when" and do the occasional system scan. Plus I'm careful what programs I use to do things on the internet, such as using a good web browser.
I think that mostly covers me OK as long as I'm careful.
Basically anyone being careful is safe enough. Aside for stupidity, the biggest risk to security is laziness.
"I can't be bothered to unplug/disable/cover my webcam right now, I'll just leave it" for example.
What about Clam Av for Linux?
What you think about immunet antivirus
You are wrong about the extended validation code signing certificate. It will not bypass micro$oft smart screen. That screen is based on reputation, some weird algorithm developed by m$. You could spend 800usd and still keep seeing the smart screen when you download your executable from the internet and try to execute it.
I use Microsloth but m$ looks better. :)
How about smadav antivirus ? Can you review
Thanks!..
I use Bitdefender Free Antivirus and I don't much have system bottleneck by it and no ads are poping up
Preventing infection by blocking unwanted connections to blacklisted domains will yield you the same results
That is uBlock Origin + HOSTS files that are updated by others, you don't need to worry about anything else
Defender is all you need, maybe with Malwarebytes additionally if the user is newb.
Antivirus seems great for various bloatware and script kiddie stuff removal and detection, real viruses would just go past it.
Firewall is the best protection but it's not easy to learn.
I use Windows Defender and Malware Bytes. they seem to work well.
I used free Avira for years. When I started using it, it was generally good.
Now it's just bundled with bloat and annoying pop ups that you can't disable. So just use Defender when I'm using Windoz. Other than that, I'm on Linux and generally don't need antivirus.
I bought a new laptop not long back that came bundled with Norton Antivirus (probably the 30 day demo). Obviously I uninstalled it and just set Defender to run. But this particular laptop (even though it's pretty fast) likes to freeze every so often running Windows 10 (like if you're moving files). I've got a feeling there's some fragments of Norton left (which I'll have to scan the registry). None of these issues running Linux though!
Once I install Norton security that forced me to reset windows 10 to get ride of it ...
I got an AVG suite for 3 years for 30-40 dollars and the VPN service is quite awesome for the use i have.
The antivirus is an added bonus. I do not see that is hogging alot of resources either. (less than 1% CPU and 130mb of memory)...
I am actually considering going back to defender but i will miss the VPN...
i use malwarebytes free version and it just work like a scan tool. pretty awesome
Chris i use webroot is nice?
Its pisses me off to no end that all major avs flag KMS Activators as some kind of "malware".
I got complacent and got hit with the MCcrash Trojan while installing a Kodi build. It was embedded in a Python script in one of the dependencies for the build and was in a "Shadow Copy" of Kodi but I couldn't find a shadow copy or know how to do that. I was using windows defender and no AV program. Defender flagged it and I had defender remove it but it apparently didn't. I had to buy a new Nvme to replace the one my Win10 OS was on. Is there a way to purge this Trojan from the Nvme? I can't use it as it is. I can't reformat it or access anything on it. Would Revo uninstaller have removed the Kodi Shadow Copy if I had used it to nuke the Kodi build?
I will toss it if necessary but I would prefer to find a way to purge it and reuse it or recover the data. I have the new Nvme installed and reinstalled Win10 and am sorting that out. I haven't installed any other drives that were in the PC until I'm sure they aren't infected also. So that's my sad tale of woe. I plan to try the 30 day free trial of ESET AV per your advice and see what I think of that. Thanks for the video. Your one of my "go to guys" for this stuff. Thanks for the debloat script also! 🙂
Can you not just put the nvme drive in an external usb enclosure and reformat it via a Linux distro installed on a different drive? That's what I would do
Definitely, I always camp out in front of Micro Center for the newest release of Norton Anti-Virus!
The only reason for an anti virus is when I am installing Pirated Games and Software.
So you're protecting yourself from those who steal other people's work, or scam those trying to steal other people's work??
@@markh.6687 I just want to play games without losing fps. I don't care what they want to do. I only have games on my windows PC.
Please do a performance testing with different AntiVirus softwares.
Why bother? He doesn't recommend free AV. Stick to WD or get some paid AV.
@@swarooprajpurohit110 all paid avs aren't good
Predicting they'll call Windows Defender "OneCare" in the future made me chuckle a little lmao
May i ask how to recover a hacked netflix account?
watch the youtube video interview with ESET NOD32 tech, (whom everybody uses daily without knowing it!)
on a french youtube tech channel... pretty interesting to have an honest voice !
As you say : if it's flagged by an antivirus firm does not mean its a virus.
as of 2023 best paid antivirus are ESET and Malwarebytes, both run very smooth together and i can only recommend
I saw an orange dot on tray, Jesus Christ, here we go again!
My computers all run Linux, no Antivirus. My parents are who in their mid 70's, running Windows 10. They have Malware Bytes.
After trying all anti virus programs I find that the free version of malwarebytes antimalware is the best. It does its job and does not bloat or hog your computer. I am not affiliated with them just my experience. I find a good firewall also very usefull.