Excellent. The trinity is a concept that has never been difficult to understand for me. And, I see it all over the Bible. Most people error in thinking it needs to be a teaching in the Bible to be something we should believe in. The doctrine of the Trinity is simply an explanation of the revelation of the Being and relationship between God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit which most definitely is expressed in the Bible.
@@gimel77 That's right. It's not. - In GOD’S reality, *Trinitarians and NON-Trinitarians WILL BOTH BE SAVED,* *cleansed of their sins* by the sin-atoning *blood* of Jesus, *IF* they both have repented of their sins and have their faith anchored in Jesus Christ, trusting JESUS to save them based on what He did for us at the cross when He died and paid for our sins.
@@VAIO294 it most certainly is a salvation issue. If Jesus isn’t the second person of the Godhead, we are all without Hope. Only God in flesh could make a propitiation for us.
@@twelve5church- *(Part 1)* - If Jesus was just *an ordinary human,* "we are all without Hope." Yes, I agree. - But I'm *not* saying Jesus is just an ordinary human. - I'm saying, that nowhere in the Bible is a confession of faith in the Trinity doctrine said to be a salvation requirement. -- Even when Jesus asked His disciples WHO they believed He is, Peter gave a simple non-trinitarian answer, as we see in the verses below: -->Matthew 16:15-17 ~ _“He (Jesus) said to them, _*_‘But who do you say that I am?*’ Simon Peter answered, *‘You are THE CHRIST, the Son of the living God.’_*_ And Jesus said to him, _*_‘BLESSED are you, Simon Barjona,_*_ because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.’”_
Aha!! Amen and amen about Rasing Canes! Only found in Louisiana as it was founded by an LSU student. I did come across one in Virginia in 2010. Don’t know how much they’ve expanded since then. But we’re proud of our Canes.
Because 90% of people I have tried to explain this too get confused. Even those who thought they understood it seems to be off the mark. The problem is that it has no bearing on everyday life. People like James White can't seem to fathom it. He's a intellectual, so the theological intricacies are far more relevant to his biblical approach than to mom and pop sitting in the pew. I stopped grappling with this issue because the mystical and philosophical aspect of this doctrine interfered with my relationship with God. Hard to explain but my forefathers who was saved at the Battle of Blood River did not pray to a Trinity. And yet, a miracle happened. Same with Vegkop and numerous other incidents where God intervened for us. The Voortrekkers didn't even understand the concept because there was no theologian to explain it to them. When they left the Cape all they had were their Bibles and faith in their simple and personal God. The reformed (strangely enough) church actually cursed them for leaving. Okay, I'm rambling a bit. But remember, tens of thousands of saved souls never understood the doctrine and many more will not. Some like Bart Erhman that do, turn apostate.
@@snaphaan5049 Well, I think the battle for souls rages on. The JWs need salvation too and this one of the many false beliefs in their camp that is a big roadblock. It is used to create another Jesus thus the necessity of bible scholars to gently explain not only their position but the biblical position as well. I will look the link to Dr. White's teaching on how to witness to JWs, if I can find it. Trinity, if you are to witness to them takes a centre stage.
He has a good doctrine that is not explained these days in Christian churches. I, as a Christian who at some point studied with the Jehova Witnesses, was very confused on this subject for many years and only found the explanation of trinity on TH-cam after much study and prayers because many Christian pastors not only don't know how to explain it, but also feel scandalized when a relative new christian is confused about the deity of Christ. My only advice to Dr. White would be to be more direct on his explanation, and not to jump back and forth out of the subject because instead of making my attention on him, it was getting me lost. His explanation (at least for me) required all my attention, and every time he would step out to talk about the sandwich store, Florida, etc, I just got lost. It took me about 6 hours to listen to this video repeatedly in order to undertand some details. It may be a simple speach fir theology, but for people who are not, it's not simple at all. Thank you.
I’m actually an ex Jw elder disassociated for awhile now. The union between the father,son and Holy Spirit can be seen when Jesus is baptized,the fathers voice is heard,a dove comes down as the Holy Spirit and the son Jesus Christ is baptized and there we see all three in union. Jesus is also called Jehovah in revelation chapter 1 and also Jesus is called god in many scriptures including John chapter 20 verse 28 where doubting Thomas calls Jesus my lord and my god meaning he has just become a believer.
If there is only one God and Father who is in us all, and He is a Spirit, and we are all in that one Spirit, and that one Spirit is the one Lord God, where is there another spirit who is distinctly different from Him? Ephesians 4:6 KJV *_One God and Father of all,_* who is above all, and through all, *_and in you all._* 1 Corinthians 6:17 KJV But he that is joined unto the Lord *_is one spirit._* 2 Corinthians 3:17 KJV *_Now the Lord is that Spirit:_* …
John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. Matthew 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son (and) of the HOLY SPIRIT, John 14:16-17 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. Ephesians 1:13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, John 15:26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.
God is not nor should He be easily explained. But yet, it's His great desire to make Himself known to us. He is ONE God, yes, but with 3 distinct and separate Persons. This He also explained to Israel in the Old Testament. We see the trinity in how God instructed the building of the temple...ONE temple/tabernacle, but with 3 divisions. ONE Ark of the Covenant, but 3 things on the inside. Noah's ark was ONE vessel but with 3 levels. In the OT God declares "I, the Lord your God is ONE God." When you look that up in the Hebrew, the word "Lord" used there is the plural form. In Genesis 1: 1-3 We read of God, the Spirit of God and the Word of God which speaks and says "Let their be light". Jesus (the Son) IS the Word. In the New Testament, John writes: "In the beginning was the WORD, and the word IS God. Jesus refers to Himself as the Son. And he speaks of His Father, and He speaks of the Holy Spirit whom will come. We don't understand. God is not asking us to "understand", just to KNOW.
@@twelve5church Notice below that Jesus spoke of Himself often “in the third person”, not about a third person being another god. Jesus said “He” is the Spirit of Truth, He is the Comforter (He told us that in John 14:18), He said He is going away and won't be found - except His followers will find Him, and will see Him, because He will manifest Himself to us, and come to live in each believer. These are all clarifying truths of who the Holy Spirit is - it is the Spirit of the Lord, which He gave to Jesus upon His Ascension (Acts 2:33). This is the glory that they shared together for all of eternity - the Spirit of the invisible, immortal Almighty God. Jesus first poured out this promise of the Father (His Holy Spirit), upon believers at Pentecost (Luke 24:49; Acts 1:4). This same “promise of the Father” that Jesus received, and every believer receives, is a portion of the Father's Spirit (Apostle Paul calls it the Father's “SELFSAME” Spirit (1Cor 12:11), meaning no other God, or no other person's Spirit, but only the Spirit belonging to the one being identified as having the Spirit, which is the Father, so there can be no third person god who takes the Spirit away from the Father). The Father divides a portion of His selfsame Spirit among His children, through Christ (Gal 4:6). (2Cor 3:17) *_Now the Lord is that Spirit:_* ... (John 14:16) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that *_he may abide with you for ever;_* (John 14:17) [Even] *)_the Spirit of truth;_* whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: *_but ye know him;_* for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. (John 14:18) I will not leave you comfortless: *_I will come to you._* (John 14:19) Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; *_but ye see me:_* because I live, ye shall live also. (John 14:20) At that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, *_and I in you._* (John 14:21) He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and *_I will love him, and will manifest myself to him._* (John 14:22) Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? (John 14:23) Jesus answered and said unto him, *_If a man love me,_* he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and *_we will come unto him, and make our abode with him._* MORE OF JESUS SPEAKING OF HIMSELF IN THE THIRD PERSON: (John 4:10) Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and *_he would have given thee living water._* Mark 9:31 For he taught his disciples, ...The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, *_and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day._* John 3:13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, *_but he that came down from heaven,_* even the Son of man which is in heaven. John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; *)but that the world through him might be saved._* 18 *_He that believeth on him is not condemned:_* ... John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; *_so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;_* John 5: 27 And *_hath given him authority_* to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.”
@@kristenspencer9751 You have taken a presupposition of a 3-person godhead and inserted into Scripture. What is the image of God in His Creation? Mankind, which He named Adam, and Adam is two - the male and female (who become one). Almighty God in the Old Testament is two who are one - Almighty God and the Word. In the New Testament, there are two in the Godhead - the invisible God, who is a Spirit, and Jesus Christ, the Word of God (Who was God in the Old Testament), and Who became a visible man. In both Testaments, God is two who are one, in one Spirit (not two gods who are both spirits, totaling three) but one God, who is one Spirit. If God is three, then His image would have been three, and three who become one. But Jesus never stated He was one with three, and He never prayed that His followers would be one with three of them. The true God is exactly what Apostle John told us in 1John 5:20, the Father and the Son only (and they share the one Spirit, who is the Lord God - Acts 2:33). You will find nowhere in the New Testament Epistles that describes a third person god having God's spirit (1John 5:7 in the King James was “discovered” in the 17th Century, it is not in the original manuscript, and no other translations insert it, because it's not true). No third person ever appears on the throne of God in either Testament, including on the throne of God and the Lamb in the eternal Kingdom. The Father made a Son, He never duplicated Himself, rather He claims there is NONE other than Himself. These are all rather glaring omissions below, even from Jesus Himself, if it is true there is a third god. (Gen 1:27) *_So God created man_in his [own] image,_* in the image of God created he him; *_male and female created he them._* (Gen 5:2) *_Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam,_* in the day when they were created. (John 10:30) *_I and [my] Father are one._* (John 17:21) *_That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:_* t... (1John 5:20) And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that *_we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life._* (1John 1:3) … *_truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ._* (Rev 22:3) And there shall be no more curse: but *_the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:_*
Dr James White is an awesome teacher who teaches the original languages and knows his Bible. We need to remember that if God has not given someone a new heart then the truth of the Trinity will be foolishness to them and they will never understand it. If they are not made alive by the gospel then all you're trying to do is teach a corpse.
The doctrine of the Trinity is believed by Christians to be biblical, and those who believe it cite Matthew 28:18-20, or 1 John 5:7, “And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, ‘All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” These verses are the modern-day rendition identifying an interpolation, and so the question must be asked, “Did Christ in fact speak every word found in these verses?” The first Church Historian Eusebius (quotes Matthew 28:19 as it appeared in the early 4th century, Christ said, “Go and make disciples of all nations in My name” (Matthew 28:19, as it was originally quoted, Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, Penguin Classics, 1965). Note, He never said, “...baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.” Which commandment did the disciples hear? It appears the latter quoted by Eusebius from an original manuscript of the NT, for there is no instance of the disciples ever baptizing anyone “In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost,” according to the New Testament! On baptisms specifically were done in the name of {YAHSHUA}, Martin Luther notes, “The apostles certainly used this formula in baptizing in the name of Christ only, as we read in the Acts of the Apostles,’ citing Acts 2:38; 10:48; and 19:5” (Erik H. Herrmann, Paul W. Robinson, The Annotated Luther, Volume 3: Church and Sacraments. Fortress Press. p. 66, 2016). In a documented sermon, Martin Luther made this astonishing statement, “It is indeed true that the name ‘Trinity’ is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man” (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, 1988, p. 406). The disciples of Christ, in the first two or more centuries, did not know of any doctrine of the Trinity. Historically, “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from him” (H. G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499, 1920). The so-called Great Commission, as written is an interpolation: "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19, the words in italics were added centuries later). The disciples were to make disciples in His name and they were only baptizing in the name of Christ, as the NT gives evidence. The formula is mentioned in the Didache (7:1-3), and it is mostly accepted as authentic due to its supporting manuscript evidence (Everett Ferguson, Baptism in the Early Church, 2013, pp. 134-5). Nevertheless, some scholars have held the view that the passage in the Didache is an interpolation as it is absent from the first few centuries of early Christian quotations, in which case it is believed it would be part of an apostolic or early Christian oral tradition from which both the received texts of Matthew and the Didache emerged, however, the conclusion is the church only baptized in the name of Christ. The view of the passage as an interpolation was in recent times maintained, and this particular line of opposing arguments by Trinitarians is pure eisegesis, meaning the process of interpreting a text in such a way as to introduce one's presuppositions, agendas, or biases, that artificially supports the Trinitarian formula, and based on interpolated verses added to the New Testament. Catholics and Protestants would agree with Protestant Theologian James White, who writes, “We hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine…We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully completely Christian” (The Forgotten Trinity, pp. 14-15). And yet most other scholars know that the Trinity is beyond human understanding, “The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who has tried to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind, but he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul” (Harold Lindsell and Charles Woodbridge, A Christian Handbook, pp. 51-52, 1953). Nowhere in the New Testament is believing in the Trinity a prerequisite for one’s salvation. Nowhere in the Bible did the LORD ever reveal Himself as a Trinity, or Triune God. Interpolations exist in the New Testament, which are words added later to prove the Trinity. Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7 are proven interpolations, and therefore not of the original Scriptures. 1 John 5:7 is known as “The Johannine comma,” due to a sequence of extra words in 1 John 5:7-8 which appear in later versions of the Bible, but not in earlier Scriptures. Compare these words below in italics in the KJV and the same verse from the newer ESV. "For there are three that bear record (witness) in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one" (1 John 5:7-8 KJV). "For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree" (1 John 5:7-8, ESV). These extra words are generally absent from the early Greek manuscripts. They only appear in the text in late medieval manuscripts, which were done by Trinitarians to bolster the man-made doctrine of the Trinity. The Trinitarian doctrine only existed since the 4th century! A religion unexamined is not worth having. Besides, most Christians when questioned about the Trinity prove to be Modalists, not Trinitarians (The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). Christians have given examples of the Trinity, and one is the steam, water, and ice, which is not a good example for it only proves modalism. The Trinity is not so much a mystery as it is the doctrine of confusion, and we know that God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33).
- No one has to believe in the Trinity doctrine to be a Christian and have God's salvation. - *Faith in JESUS and faith in His sin-atoning BLOOD is our salvation* - not faith in the Trinity doctrine.
@@VAIO294 The Trinity is the Father fully God, the Son (Christ) fully God, and the Holy Ghost fully God, however, the Father is not the Son, nor is the Son the Father, and the Spirit is not the Son, nor is the Spirit the Father. They are all distinct from each other. Yet there are not three Gods (elohim), but One God (Eloah). How is it that not one verse in the Bible states: “God is One in three persons”? It is common among Christians who tend to think and believe that the Trinity is established in the Bible, who insist on the belief of the Trinity of three co-equal, co-eternal Persons in the One God is biblical. And yet increasingly, many very well-known Bible Scholars do not think Christ is God in a Trinitarian sense, based on the lack of evidence in the Old and New Testaments. Therefore, many distinguished scholars maintain that the doctrine of the Trinity is not taught anywhere in the Bible. Trinitarians promote two verses, which are Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7, however, these two pillars of Trinitarianism are proven interpolations, that is words that were added to Scripture much later into the original biblical text. While the doctrine of the Trinity is not taught in the New Testament and never revealed by God in the Old Testament, it was first formulated by Christian bishops in the 4th century, that is three hundred years after Christ, and who attempted to understand the relationship between Christ and the Father in three main Church Councils, The Council of Nicaea (325), The Council of Constantinople (381), and The Council of Ephesus (431). Those men who participated in three councils sought to define God on their terms without one thus says the LORD, and not one provable proof text . History does not reveal that the apostles ever knew of the Trinity Doctrine, that is: “The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three gods (elohim), one God (eloah), equally important, the Father is not the Son, and the Son is not the Holy Ghost, therefore, each is a separate Person of the Godhead.” Trinitarians have placed two major interpolations in the New Testament to artificially establish the Trinity. To sum up the findings of historians, H.G. Wells stated, “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from him” (THE OUTLINE OF HISTORY, Vol. 2, p. 499). “Primitive (Apostolic) Christianity did not have an explicit doctrine of the Trinity such as was subsequently elaborated in the creeds of the early (4th century) church” (see “God”, THE NEW INTERNATIONAL DICTIONARY of NEW TESTAMENT THEOLOGY, Vol. 2, 1976, p. 84). First interpolation: 1 John 5:7-8. Modern Biblical scholarship agrees that 1 John 5:7 seen in Latin and Greek texts after the 4th century and found in later translations such as the King James Bible Translation, cannot be found in the oldest Greek and Latin texts. Verse 7 is known as the Johannine Comma, an interpolation, which most scholars agree to be a later addition by a later Trinitarian copyist, also classified as a textual gloss, but not part of the original text. This verse reads: “Because there are three in Heaven that testify - the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit - these three are one.” This verse is absent from the original Aramaic, Syriac, Slavic, early Armenian, Georgian, Ethiopian, and Arabic translations of the Greek New Testament. It is primarily found in later Latin manuscripts, although some Greek, Slavonic, and late Armenian manuscripts contain it. Second Interpolation: Matthew 28:19. States, Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit…” Matthew 28:19 is quoted by Trinitarians as evidence for the Trinity. However, it is an interpolation into the Text. Respected Bible scholars say that the formula was an insertion and that it originally stated: “Go and make disciples of all nations in my name.” Matthew 28:19 is the only verse in the entire New Testament with the “Trinity” formula.” All other verses point to baptism being performed in the Name of Christ alone. Take for example Apostle Peter in Acts, who promoted baptisms in the name of the Lord. See the following verses: Acts 2:38 - “Then Peter said to them, “Repent and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 8:16 - For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Acts 10:48 - So Peter ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus the Messiah. Then they asked him to stay there for several days. If Matthew 28:19 is true and genuine, and Jesus did command His disciples to baptize ”in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,” then why would Peter go against a commandment and baptize only in His name? Well, the answer lies in the Text.
The Trinity is not the ultimate understanding of who God is but on the other hand, it's our understanding of God in His mysterious operations! Hence, no Pastor/Preacher/Teacher/Evangelist/Scholar can/will say they have absolute comprehension of the Trinity! So, it's not our absolute understanding of God but our best understanding of Him!
Thank you for your very well phrased answer. I agree with what you say. We only know in part whilst here on earth ( 1 Cor.13) but despite our limited understanding of the Trinity we know by faith that there is only one Saviour - Jesus Christ and through Him we have eternal life.
Who coined the word trinitas or trinity and who formulated the doctrine of the trinity? "The doctrine of one God is the oldest doctrine known to man. It's as old as God himself."~Lee Stoneking
@wjdyr6261 Good day. If you look in any Byble which contains a concordance, and look for Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit, you will "see" the Trinity of God. It does not have to be written in explicit words "Trinity" to understand the concept. Jesus says in 1John that He is going to the Father but that He will send another Comforter to be with us forever. How can He go to Himself, and send Himself back? Regards.
@@jskok3280 I asked a question. It has nothing to do with a concordance which are deceptive. Again, who coined the word trinitas or trinity and who formulated the doctrine of the trinity?
@wjdyr6261 So, according to the Bible verses mentioned in there , those verses when you read it in the Bible itself are all lies! Then you might as well throw the whole New Testament out of the window.
@@elnewPC NOT the word trinity. Whatever you see this ideology was made up by men. You can trust men or the word of GOD. take your pick. I will pick the word of GOD.
@stevemarks9820 can you show me where more than 2 verses where Jesus is Michale the arcangel, like you belive? I can show you multiple verses where Jesus sits on God's throne and even in the center of the throne. If you can't show me then you lose. 😇
@@elnewPC What are you talking about . Never would I say thAt. I get on the jw for this . JESUS is not vrated for one thing and He was never an angel His name is the highest in the universe They must now down to Jesus. I quit the Jw on the spot when they said they did not worship Jesus. JESUS is my life and I love Him more than anyone or anything you are mistaken.
If Dr.White is clear then Jesus is not all, by saying the Father is the only true God. If the Father is the only true God then there cannot be another.
Things are not what they seem. Trinitarians dominate Christianity so much so that they would have you believe that if you are not a Trinitarian, you are not a Christian. This is not true. Historically, Christianity has not always been controlled by the Trinitarians or their Doctrine. There was no defined Trinitarian doctrine for the first three hundred years of the history of the Christian Church. But to listen to Trinitarians, you would think Christ taught His disciples the Trinity, or at the very least God revealed the Doctrine of the Trinity to the church from the beginning. No such teaching or revelation from God was ever given, nor was the Trinity made essential for believers according to the Bible. Yet, according to Trinitarians, the doctrine of the Trinity is considered sacred and fundamental, and most Trinitarians view it as the litmus test for defining who is and is not a Christian. Only ignorance would allow such a thing. The audacity of the Trinitarians to threaten one’s very salvation! James White has publicly stated, “We (Trinitarians) hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine… We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully and completely Christian” (The Forgotten Trinity, pp. 14-15). And yet, no one can understand the Trinity. Scholars have acknowledged this, “The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who has tried to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind; but he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul” (Harold Linsell and Charles Woodbridge, A Handbook of Christian Truth, pp. 51). This Trinitarian Doctrine produces confusion, and this confusion is not from the God of the Bible (1 Corinthians 14:33). Where did this doctrine of the Trinity come from? “The term ‘Trinity’ is not itself found in the Bible. It was first used by Tertullian at the close of the 2nd century but received wide currency and formal elucidation only after the 4th and 5th centuries” (see “Trinity,” New Bible Dictionary, 1996). “Precisely what that doctrine is, or rather precisely how it is to be explained, Trinitarians are not agreed among themselves” (see “Trinitarians,” A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge). Biblically, God never revealed the Doctrine of the Trinity, then how did the church come to accept it? From history, we get the answer, “The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and many controversies…It was not until the 4th century that the distinctness of the three and their unity were brought together in a single orthodox doctrine of one essence and three persons” (The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 11, p. 928, 1985 ed.). “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from Him” (H.G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499, 1920). Over 3 hundred years after Christ, this doctrine of God being Triune took over the church as essential to our salvation! What of all the believers who accepted Christ before the 4th century, but had no idea that belief in the Trinity was a requirement for their salvation? Is the demand by Trinitarians that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation a form of legalism? What is legalism? Have not Trinitarians laid down the law that one must believe in the Trinity to be saved? In Christian theology, "legalism" is a pejorative term applied to the idea that "by doing good works or by obeying the law, a person earns and merits salvation." If men, whether by popular belief or by group or clergy, place a prerequisite, a stipulation, or insist upon a certain belief upon one so that they would receive salvation is this not a form of legalism? Only Christ, by the will of the Father, can place prerequisites, stipulations, and beliefs upon one to receive salvation without falling under “legalism.” Therefore, Christ made no requirement that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation, then it follows that the stipulation that one must believe in the Trinity would be a form of legalism caused by Trinitarians. There is no requirement by Christ that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation. Where did the idea of the Trinity come from since God never revealed the concept of the Trinity? Edward Gibbon, a noted historian, gives this answer, “If paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. The pure Deism of the first Christians…was changed by the Church…into the incomprehensible dogma of the Trinity” (The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, p. xvi, 1883). The Trinity finds its birth in the West according to Pagan Greek philosophy. Were we not warned about this by the apostle Paul, who wrote, “Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ” (Colossians 2:8). Rise up in truth all Christians and throw off this heavy yoke of Trinitarian bondage to a false doctrine never revealed by Christ. It is false that one must believe in the Trinity to be saved. Christ is God because His God and Father gave Him all things, and all things are committed to Him. Christ said, “All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him” (Matthew 11:27).
@@rosslewchuk9286 Yes, God the Father is the all and all God, who gave all things to the Son of God YAHSHUA (1 Corinthians 15:20-28). Omni=all. Because all things were given to the Son, He alone is our God, for His God and Father gave Him all power, all dominion over us until sin and death are no more. When sin and death are no more, then our Lord God and Savior, the Son of God, by His revealed name YAHSHUA, will turn all things back over to His Father and God, who gave Him all things (Matthew 11:27). YAH=I AM, as Christ YAHSHUA told the people, that He is YAH, "the I AM" (John 8:58), HaYAH, not ehyeh. YAH=I AM, shua=my help, as in my "salvation." Behold the revealed name of the Savior, "YAHSHUA!" YAHSHUA=I AM Salvation YAH is "the name which is above every name" (Philippians 2:9-11). YAH is Christ, and this is why the Savior's name is YAHSHUA, "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). "Behold, God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid; ‘For YAH, the Lord, is my strength and song; He also has become my salvation’” (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV). The traditions of men say, "Jesus," but the revelation of God says, "YAHSHUA!" Since there is no other name by which we must be saved, the names Jesus, Iesus, and Iesous are counterfeit names based on the Transliteration of Yeshua, and the transformations of Iesus and Jesus. What happens if I reject the very revealed name from heaven, YAHSHUA? “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God" (John 3:18). Believe in the name of YAHSHUA and live! There is only one name by which we must be saved, however, few there be that find it. YAHSHUA said, “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and [d]difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it" (Matthew 7:13-14). Many say, "I speak English, so I say, 'Jesus.' And I have seen demons cast out in the name of Jesus, and many wonders. My prayers have been answered in the name of Jesus." And will you stand by a name, Jesus, never revealed by God? Do you not know that God is good to both the good and the bad? Are you prepared to be told, "I Never Knew You"? In Matthew 7:21-23, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’" Many priest and pastors teach the name Jesus, which was never revealed by God, and this makes them workers of lawlessness.
_”O people of the Scripture! Do not transgress in your beliefs, nor speak about God but the truth! The Messiah Jesus son of Mary is only God’s messenger, and His Word which He cast into Mary, and a spirit from Him! So believe in God and His messengers, and do not speak of ‘three’ (a trinity); Stop-it is for your own good! God is one sole divinity, who is far above having a son! He owns everything in the heavens and everything on earth. And God is enough to sustain all things on His own!”_ ~ The Qur’an 4:171
@@jesuschristiskingofkingslo2023 Good grief man, of course theres a point. How can the mediator between God and man .........also be God. The man in the middle cannot be either of the other two. The trinity is not biblical.
Explain John 5: 17-24. In that explanation, consider the equality of Jesus to God: 1. in His nature (v17) 2. in His works (v19) 3. in His power (v21) 4. in His authority (v22) 5. in His honour (v23) 6. in His truth (v24) Can you argue He is not God given all those glaring claims from His mouth? Have you read the Scriptures or just copied and pasted emotions of those who are perishing?
Jesus is God because of his name and Spirit. Not because of his flesh that has the title 'Son'. Mary birthed flesh, not Spirit. And the flesh carries the name of the Father. The proof is in Joh.n 17:11.
@@normanmcdermid1951 if Jesus is not God, then the Apostle John got it wrong? John 1 says the word was God, verse 14 says the Word took on flesh. Did I miss something in grammar class? Is this not Jesus that John is writing about?
The Trinity belongs to Supernatural (revealed) religion, it is therefore a revealed teaching. We can know a truths that can lead is closer to knowing a truth of the mystery through natural religion but it still is, in a sense from Supernatural religion
At least this preacher admits there is an issue with the understanding of the Trinity. Surely the fault is in the teaching though and not in all the believers. Faith in one God should be a simple thing & the teaching of the Trinity is filled with confusion. What most Christians have in common is that we believe in God the Father who empowers us with His Spirit who sent Jesus His son as our messiah and sacrifice for our sins. As soon as we bring in other concepts such as co-equal & 3 persons one being confusion comes in and it doesn't need to be that way.
@@MrDragpics no because they already understood the trinity and Paul knew that they already presupposed the trinity so it would have been redundant to explain the trinity in a room full of trinitarians
@@boosminogstatus6460 You do know that All liars will have their place in the Lake of Fire, Second Death, right? "Hear O Israel, the Lord thy God is One God."--- Jesus
In the New testament, during Jesus's baptism, you got Jesus being baptized , you got the spirit of God descending on him like a dove, you got the father speaking from heaven stating"this is my Son in whom I am well pleased"think about that, that is all three persons of the trinity that are there. God the Father, God the Son, and God the holy Spirit. All three persons of the Godhead present and accounted for. The word Trinity may not be in the Bible, but the idea of it is clearly present throughout scripture.
No one has to believe in the Trinity doctrine to be a Christian and have God's salvation. - Faith in JESUS and faith in His sin-atoning BLOOD is our salvation - not faith in the Trinity doctrine.
@@VAIO294You need to believe in the right Jesus whose father is God and filled and led by God The Holy Spirit. You may not understand the trinity but the right Jesus is essential for salvation. If I believe Jesus is an angel or gay or married to Mary Magdalene then I believe in a made-up Jesus, a fake and I’m not saved.
@@blackcoffee2 - Believing in the Trinity doctrine is not a requirement for a person to have "the right Jesus." - A person can simply believe Jesus is the Son of GOD and place their faith in Him, just as most people confessed in the scriptures. - Belief in the Trinity doctrine is not a salvation requirement.
@@blackcoffee2- No, I'm not a JW. - I believe in the same Jesus Peter believed in. The CHRIST, the Son of the living God. -->Matthew 16:15-17 ~ _“He (Jesus) said to them, _*_‘But who do you say that I am?’ Simon Peter answered, You are THE CHRIST, the Son of the living God.’_*_ And Jesus said to him, _*_‘BLESSED are you, Simon Barjona,_*_ because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.’”_
Can someone please explain this?? A fellow who was chosen to be a consultant to our church says this about the Trinity on his web site: "too many to be one; but too one to be many". What the heck does that mean?
It means the doctrine of the trinity is a lie. Jesus clearly taught as does the rest of the Bible that the Father alone is God. Jesus is the son of God.....the Christ or Messiah
It seems like a very bad attempt at explaining the Trinity in a tongue-in-cheek kinda way. I think he was trying to say, 'Too many [Persons] to be one [Person]; but too one [God] to be many [Gods].’.
@@vaughnmadsen7966 Christ was God in the flesh, the express image of God… the word sent forth…But God in His perfectness showed us that “the Son”, makes himself of no reputation - perfect in every way… because it took a Devine sacrifice, that only God could make to take away our sins. ❤🙏🏼
“Jehovah…” (Yehovah) It is widely used in many churches. It is considered by many Christians to be hollowed, and many beautiful hymns also endear it, however, this name “Jehovah” is a concoction of man. Therefore, it is a “mongrel,” a “hybrid,” and it is “fantastic,” a fantasy, and it is “monstrous!” There is something very wrong with this euphonious name Jehovah. Therefore, the name of Jehovah was a name never revealed by the LORD. The facts have only to be known to justify this verdict. What are the facts? Ever since the Babylonian invasion of the Kingdom of Judea, and the enforced diaspora of its noble class in 597 BCE, the Jews have had a strong penchant for hiding the name of the LORD (YHWH) from the Gentiles, thus preventing them from potentially profaning the LORD’s name revealed to Moses (specifically the name of YAH, “HaYAH”, as found in Exodus 3:13-15). YAH is “the name which is above every name.” Readers in the synagogues would inadvertently attempt to pronounce the LORD’s name, as there were no vowels in the Hebrew words within the Hebrew Bible [or known as “The Old Testament”] when coming upon God’s name: YHWH. Later, the Jewish clergy developed the practice, around the 1100s of adding Hebrew vowels created by the Masoretes, to the Tetragrammaton [Gr. word for the four consonant letters of the LORD's name]. The vowels were taken from at least three other Hebrew words, namely, Adonay (meaning Lord, with the vowels of a-o-ai causing the hybrid name YaHoWaiH, or later shortened to YAHWEH), Eloah (meaning God, with the vowels of e-o-a causing YeHoWaH later Jehovah or Yehovah), and Elohim (meaning Gods, with the vowels of e-o-i causing YeHoWiH, as shown in Strong’s Dictionary of Bible Words # 3069). These hybrid names were never meant to form any legitimate name for the LORD but were placed there to remind the readers in the synagogues to say, “Adonay” instead of attempting to pronounce the LORD’s actual name. How was this euphonious name, Jehovah, propagated? Later in Medieval times, the Roman Catholic Church was known to raid Jewish synagogues, take their gold, and the Hebrew Scriptures [the Old Testament], and persecute Jews. Raymondus Martini was a 13th century Dominican friar and theologian. He is remembered for his book called “Pugio Fidei” (in the year 1270 CE). Finding the absconded Hebrew Scriptures in the Dominican Library, and believing he had discovered the name of God, he used the name Iehovah (or Iehova) in his book not understanding that these vowels were not original to the LORD’s actual name. The name and pronunciation of “Jehovah,” (and also the name Jesus unknown until the 17th century) were essentially unknown in the years before 1520 CE, when introduced and propagated by Peter, Galatinus (1450-1540), he held the office of penitentiary under pope Leo X. His chief work De Arcanis Catholicae Veritatis, a book, written at the request of the pope, the emperor, and other dignitaries, in the year 1516 CE, as he also used the name Iehovah in his book. The name Iehovah was altered with the addition of the letter J, which was a recent addition to the English alphabet in the 17th century. Galatinus also did not know of the Jewish practice of adding vowels from an entirely different word. He did not know that the vowels found around the Tetragrammaton YeHoWaH were from the Hebrew word Eloah, and if he did, he did not care. Noted Bible scholar J. B. Rotherham, essentially stated, “To give YHWH (Latin: IHVH and later JHVH) the vowels of the word (ELOAH) to remind the Jewish reader to say, ‘Adonay,’ and to be pronounced by the Christians, ‘Jehovah,’ is about as hybrid a combination as it would be to spell the name of Germany with the vowels of Portugal-viz., Gormuna” (The Emphasized Bible, J. B. Rotherham, Kregel Publication, 1994, Pp. 24-25). Jehovah in its present hybrid form has only existed since the 17th century. Fact: The LORD’s essential name is YAH, and Bible scholars have acknowledged YAHWEH (see Strong’s #3050), as in “Praise YAH,” Hebrew: “Halleluyah!” The English “Hallelujah” is a misnomer. YAH is “the name which is above every name” (Philippians 2:9), and YAHSHUA is the only name by which we must be saved (Acts 4:12), and this name is to be known among every language, and tongue, as the essential revealed name of the LORD according to the Gospel (Philippians 2:11), YAH, as in HaYAH (the I AM). The Savior identified His name as “I AM” (YAH, see John 8:58). The prophet Isaiah identified the name of salvation as YAH (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV). And “shua” means “my help”, as in “my salvation.” To reject the revealed name of YAHSHUA, which was given by the angel (Matthew 1:21) is to stand condemned (John 3:18). YAHSHUA is shortened from the name YAHOSHUA, which is commonly spelled Yehoshua largely due to the Jewish practice of hiding the name YAH, by adding vowels to YHWH, the Tetragrammaton, from the Hebrew vowels of Eloah, which caused the false Yeh, as a result, scholars would consider YAHOSHUA a philological impossibility, however, they are mistaken. What does the name Jehovah mean in Hebrew? Je-hovah, “hovah” in Hebrew means, “Ruin, Mischief, and Calamity” (see Strong’s #1942, #1943). The Jewish Encyclopedia, states, under the name “Jehovah,” “This name is commonly represented in modern translations by the form Jehovah, which, however, is a philological impossibility” (p. 160). The Jehovah’s Witnesses admittedly make a similar reference that the name Jehovah is inferior, in their book: Let Your Name Be Sanctified (p. 16). Undoubtedly, the name Jehovah is not the revealed name of the LORD! Many Christian clergy know the truth that the name Jehovah is bogus. Still, due to their tradition, or the fact that this name erroneously appears in the King James Version of the Bible, they hold to this euphonious name for the sake of their tradition, which makes void the revelation of God (Mark 7:6-7). The Lord has a warning for them, “And now, O priests (pastors and teachers), this commandment is for you. If you will not hear, and if you will not take it to heart, to give glory to My name,” says the LORD of hosts, “I will send a curse upon you, Yes, I have cursed them already, because you do not take it to heart” (Malachi 2:1-2). Satan is deceiving the whole world (Revelation 12:9). Despite being told the truth of the one name of salvation, YAHSHUA, they will hold to the name Jesus and Jehovah, despite never having been revealed by the LORD. Many will reject the name YAHSHUA leaving only a few, and being of the many despite the admonishment: “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it” (Matthew 7:13-14). The name Jesus was never revealed by the LORD, or an angel of the Lord, and history proves this, as eminent historian Ernest Renan acknowledged that the Savior was never in His lifetime called “Jesus” (The Life of Jesus, p. 90). The name Jesus, in its present form, has only existed since the 17th century. Many on the path to the wide gate of destruction have sought to justify their faith in the substitute (counterfeit name) of Jesus, for they say, “I have seen wonders in the name of Jesus, and demons cast out in the name of Jesus, however, the Lord YAHSHUA has this to say to them, as given in Matthew 7:21-23, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’” Those who think that demons were cast out as a basis for holding onto a name that God never revealed will find the Lord saying “Depart from Me,” for they are workers of lawlessness! As the apostle Peter said, "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). This means that all these names Jesus, Iesus, Iesous, and all the names that come from these three names are counterfeits! Halleluyah, Praise YAH! Praise YAHSHUA!
@@sandman9390 True YAHSHUA is YAH, but He is not the Father, who is His God and Father. The doctrine of the Trinity is believed by Christians to be biblical, and those who believe it cite Matthew 28:18-20, or 1 John 5:7, “And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, ‘All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” These verses are the modern-day rendition identifying an interpolation, and so the question must be asked, “Did Christ in fact speak every word found in these verses?” The first Church Historian Eusebius (quotes Matthew 28:19 as it appeared in the early 4th century, Christ said, “Go and make disciples of all nations in My name” (Matthew 28:19, as it was originally quoted, Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, Penguin Classics, 1965). Note, He never said, “...baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.” Which commandment did the disciples hear? It appears the latter quoted by Eusebius from an original manuscript of the NT, for there is no instance of the disciples ever baptizing anyone “In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost,” according to the New Testament! On baptisms specifically were done in the name of {YAHSHUA}, Martin Luther notes, “The apostles certainly used this formula in baptizing in the name of Christ only, as we read in the Acts of the Apostles,’ citing Acts 2:38; 10:48; and 19:5” (Erik H. Herrmann, Paul W. Robinson, The Annotated Luther, Volume 3: Church and Sacraments. Fortress Press. p. 66, 2016). In a documented sermon, Martin Luther made this astonishing statement, “It is indeed true that the name ‘Trinity’ is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man” (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, 1988, p. 406). The disciples of Christ, in the first two or more centuries, did not know of any doctrine of the Trinity. Historically, “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from him” (H. G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499, 1920). The so-called Great Commission, as written is an interpolation: "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19, the words in italics were added centuries later). The disciples were to make disciples in His name and they were only baptizing in the name of Christ, as the NT gives evidence. The formula is mentioned in the Didache (7:1-3), and it is mostly accepted as authentic due to its supporting manuscript evidence (Everett Ferguson, Baptism in the Early Church, 2013, pp. 134-5). Nevertheless, some scholars have held the view that the passage in the Didache is an interpolation as it is absent from the first few centuries of early Christian quotations, in which case it is believed it would be part of an apostolic or early Christian oral tradition from which both the received texts of Matthew and the Didache emerged, however, the conclusion is the church only baptized in the name of Christ. The view of the passage as an interpolation was in recent times maintained, and this particular line of opposing arguments by Trinitarians is pure eisegesis, meaning the process of interpreting a text in such a way as to introduce one's presuppositions, agendas, or biases, that artificially supports the Trinitarian formula, and based on interpolated verses added to the New Testament. Catholics and Protestants would agree with Protestant Theologian James White, who writes, “We hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine…We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully completely Christian” (The Forgotten Trinity, pp. 14-15). And yet most other scholars know that the Trinity is beyond human understanding, “The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who has tried to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind, but he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul” (Harold Lindsell and Charles Woodbridge, A Christian Handbook, pp. 51-52, 1953). Nowhere in the New Testament is believing in the Trinity a prerequisite for one’s salvation. Nowhere in the Bible did the LORD ever reveal Himself as a Trinity, or Triune God. Interpolations exist in the New Testament, which are words added later to prove the Trinity. Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7 are proven interpolations, and therefore not of the original Scriptures. 1 John 5:7 is known as “The Johannine comma,” due to a sequence of extra words in 1 John 5:7-8 which appear in later versions of the Bible, but not in earlier Scriptures. Compare these words below in italics in the KJV and the same verse from the newer ESV. "For there are three that bear record (witness) in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one" (1 John 5:7-8 KJV). "For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree" (1 John 5:7-8, ESV). These extra words are generally absent from the early Greek manuscripts. They only appear in the text in late medieval manuscripts, which were done by Trinitarians to bolster the man-made doctrine of the Trinity. The Trinitarian doctrine only existed since the 4th century! A religion unexamined is not worth having. Besides, most Christians when questioned about the Trinity prove to be Modalists, not Trinitarians (The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). Christians have given examples of the Trinity, and one is the steam, water, and ice, which is not a good example for it only proves modalism. The Trinity is not so much a mystery as it is the doctrine of confusion, and we know that God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33).
Let me explain.... If you understood the Hebrew translation of what you are saying then you would understand exactly what's going on here. In the prayer the shema the Hebrew prayer it says hero Israel the Lord our God is one but the word used for one in Hebrew there is "ACHAD" which means a compound union. It's the same exact word for one used when a husband and wife get married and it says the two become One flesh the word their used is "ACHAD" as well..... It means a compound Union.... Meaning Father Son and Holy Spirit equal one God
It doesn’t mean that Jesus is not God, it means that The Son, living as man, submitted to God the Father. Jesus was man AND God, and since He is a perfect man, He needed to have perfect submission to God. In order to do that, He would need to acknowledge God in the first place. Hence, the Son acknowledges the Father as God.
@@thatonechristian2487- The Bible does *not* say Jesus' subordination to God is limited to only while Jesus was in the fleshly body. Actually, even in His spirit form Jesus is subordinated to The FATHER as in the verses below; -->1 Corinthians 15:28 ~ *_"And when all things have been subjected to Him (Jesus), then the Son Himself will be made SUBJECT to Him (God-YAHWEH) who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all."_* -->1 Corinthians 11:3 ~ _“But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; the head of the woman is the man; _*_and THE HEAD of Jesus Christ is GOD.”_* Also, Jesus Himself said *_"The FATHER is GREATER than I."_* (John 14:28) - Jesus did *not* add any qualifier to that statement such as _"for only as long as I'm in the fleshly body."_
@@thatonechristian2487 Jesus still calls the Father his God in Revelation. And before you say it's just because he's in a mediatorial role, 1 Corinthians 15:28 says the Son will be subject to the Father after the period of mediation is complete. So if the Father is Jesus' God right now, he will still be after 1 Corinthians 15:28 takes place.
@@gimel77 you are purposely ignoring all of the verses let people have quoted explaining how your position is wrong. Like when God the Father calls Christ the son Lord and then says this day I have begotten you..... Begotten not made....
The book of Revelation settles all Trinity/Oneness debates in the first 5 chapters. I advise all of you who read this to read those chapters. Do it slowly and meticulously. Study the language used. Especially chapters 1, 4 and 5. The truth is there! Look for how many "persons" John sees. Look for how many thrones there are. Look at who heaven worships. May. God give you revelation!
@@DP-bx5fg Yes, ONLY THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD, according to His own Son: John 17:1-3: "THESE WORDS SPAKE JESUS, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, FATHER, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And THIS IS LIFE ETERNAL, THAT THEY MIGHT KNOW THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." THE ONLY TRUE GOD IS THE FATHER ALONE. JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF THE ONLY TRUE GOD. There is no such person as "the Third Person of the Trinity". TRINITY IS A LIE FROM SATAN. ONENESS MODALISM IS ANOTHER LIE FROM SATAN.
Some see the Trinity in 3 leafed clover, some see it as an egg. Some see it as the forms of water, steam liquid and solid. It depend if you think like Socratise, Plato, Aristotle etc. No one thinks of Trinity when thinking of Jesus
There are no Trinity. That is a post-biblical idea and doctrine that arose in the Catholic Church long after Jesus and the apostles had gone. As history shows us. The 3 Gods pantheon was not fully established before 381 AD as I have come to understand it. In the Catholic Church. Jesus, and the Apostles, all said that the Father is the only true God. John 17:3 / 1 Corinthians 8:6 Clearly they know the eternal truth. Ask yourself this question and ponder it, is there any contradiction in God and His word? Was what Jesus and the Apostles said the truth? Or did they not know the truth? If we cannot receive what Jesus said, and embrace and stand with that, how are we Christian(followers of Christ) ? Aren't that what Christians are supposed to do? To receive what Jesus said and taught.
"Hear O Israel, YHVH our God is one Lord." (Deuteronomy 6:4) And the Israelite Jesus confirmed the eternal truth, Mark 12:29 "And Scripture cannot be set aside." John 10:35 At the Council of Constantinople in AD 381, Theodosius, emperor of the eastern Roman empire, issued a decree in which all his subjects were required to subscribe to a belief in the Trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This edict defined "Christian" orthodoxy and brought to an end a lively and wide-ranging debate about the nature of God; all other interpretations were now declared heretical. ...And so the horrific persecutions began in earnest. What a horror story for the ages.
@Grey ....Trinitarians cannot be honest about their own beliefs I have found, again and again and again. They believe in 1 God, consisting of 3 persons, all 3 also being God, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. I know what they teach. You can go do your spin elsewhere it does not work with me.
Right on... Trinitarians dominate Christianity so much so that they would have you believe that if you are not a Trinitarian, you are not a Christian. This is not true. Historically, Christianity has not always been controlled by the Trinitarians or their Doctrine. There was no defined Trinitarian doctrine for the first three hundred years of the history of the Christian Church. But to listen to Trinitarians, you would think Christ taught His disciples the Trinity, or at the very least God revealed the Doctrine of the Trinity to the church from the beginning. No such teaching or revelation from God was ever given, nor was the Trinity made essential for believers according to the Bible. Yet, according to Trinitarians, the doctrine of the Trinity is considered sacred and fundamental, and most Trinitarians view it as the litmus test for defining who is and is not a Christian. Only ignorance would allow such a thing. The audacity of the Trinitarians to threaten one’s very salvation! James White has publicly stated, “We (Trinitarians) hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine… We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully and completely Christian” (The Forgotten Trinity, pp. 14-15). And yet, no one can understand the Trinity. Scholars have acknowledged this, “The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who has tried to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind; but he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul” (Harold Linsell and Charles Woodbridge, A Handbook of Christian Truth, pp. 51). This Trinitarian Doctrine produces confusion, and this confusion is not from the God of the Bible (1 Corinthians 14:33). Where did this doctrine of the Trinity come from? “The term ‘Trinity’ is not itself found in the Bible. It was first used by Tertullian at the close of the 2nd century but received wide currency and formal elucidation only after the 4th and 5th centuries” (see “Trinity,” New Bible Dictionary, 1996). “Precisely what that doctrine is, or rather precisely how it is to be explained, Trinitarians are not agreed among themselves” (see “Trinitarians,” A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge). Biblically, God never revealed the Doctrine of the Trinity, then how did the church come to accept it? From history, we get the answer, “The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and many controversies…It was not until the 4th century that the distinctness of the three and their unity were brought together in a single orthodox doctrine of one essence and three persons” (The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 11, p. 928, 1985 ed.). “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from Him” (H.G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499, 1920). Over 3 hundred years after Christ, this doctrine of God being Triune took over the church as essential to our salvation! What of all the believers who accepted Christ before the 4th century, but had no idea that belief in the Trinity was a requirement for their salvation? Is the demand by Trinitarians that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation a form of legalism? What is legalism? Have not Trinitarians laid down the law that one must believe in the Trinity to be saved? In Christian theology, "legalism" is a pejorative term applied to the idea that "by doing good works or by obeying the law, a person earns and merits salvation." If men, whether by popular belief or by group or clergy, place a prerequisite, a stipulation, or insist upon a certain belief upon one so that they would receive salvation is this not a form of legalism? Only Christ, by the will of the Father, can place prerequisites, stipulations, and beliefs upon one to receive salvation without falling under “legalism.” Therefore, Christ made no requirement that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation, then it follows that the stipulation that one must believe in the Trinity would be a form of legalism caused by Trinitarians. There is no requirement by Christ that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation. Where did the idea of the Trinity come from since God never revealed the concept of the Trinity? Edward Gibbon, a noted historian, gives this answer, “If paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. The pure Deism of the first Christians…was changed by the Church…into the incomprehensible dogma of the Trinity” (The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, p. xvi, 1883). The Trinity finds its birth in the West according to Pagan Greek philosophy. Were we not warned about this by the apostle Paul, who wrote, “Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ” (Colossians 2:8). Rise up in truth all Christians and throw off this heavy yoke of Trinitarian bondage to a false doctrine never revealed by Christ. It is false that one must believe in the Trinity to be saved. Christ is God because His God and Father gave Him all things, and all things are committed to Him. Christ said, “All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him” (Matthew 11:27).
Yup mystery Babylon Catholics Mother of harlots and abominations of the earth Protestant daughters. They push this doctrine and God says to come out of her my people and worship the one true God. Not Three. Christ is the mediator between us and God he is the Messiah but not in same authority as the Father
That's not hard to do when most people couldn't even read and the RCC dominated control of the Bible for the first 1500 years. If I was the only one who could read the Bible and then teach it to a few hundred each week and they couldn't even read it to challenge me I could have them believing dang near anything. We take our ability to read for granted, it was not normal thoughout most of history.
Jesus as human had to be bestowed with the HS. You should always be considering is where did Jesus come from & what he had prior to the incarnation. Phil 2:4-8 speaks about Jesus having the FORM of God but then taking on A HUMAN FORM. The two verbs "having" & "taking" denotes possession of one innately but putting on another bc he never had it before.
@davidmoorman7062 You're misunderstanding the text & ignoring other verses. The argument about Jesus is about Homoousios (of similar substance) & Homoiousios (of the same substance). Phil 2 tells us that Jesus had the form of God and that he took upon the human form. Also, it tells us that when Jesus had the form of god that he did not consider equality with God to be something that was to be grasped. Here in John 12:41 ESV "Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory and spoke of him." We need to ask ourselves who did Isaiah see in Isaiah 6? John is telling us that Isaiah saw the glory of the LORD. He is also telling us that who he saw was Jesus. Jesus is YHWH.
@@JesusPPK Men's terms right? Not Biblical right? It's cool you bringing up Phil. 2:5-8 but seriously Phil 1:2, 2:11, 13 that slays the Roman Catholic Trinity doctrine/creed. Who works in you? Philippians 2:13 KJV [13] For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. How does Our Heavenly Father accomplish this? By His Holy (set apart, sanctified) Spirit.
The doctrine of the Trinity is believed by Christians to be biblical, and those who believe it cite Matthew 28:18-20, or 1 John 5:7, “And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, ‘All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” These verses are the modern-day rendition identifying an interpolation, and so the question must be asked, “Did Christ in fact speak every word found in these verses?” The first Church Historian Eusebius (quotes Matthew 28:19 as it appeared in the early 4th century, Christ said, “Go and make disciples of all nations in My name” (Matthew 28:19, as it was originally quoted, Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, Penguin Classics, 1965). Note, He never said, “...baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.” Which commandment did the disciples hear? It appears the latter quoted by Eusebius from an original manuscript of the NT, for there is no instance of the disciples ever baptizing anyone “In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost,” according to the New Testament! On baptisms specifically were done in the name of {YAHSHUA}, Martin Luther notes, “The apostles certainly used this formula in baptizing in the name of Christ only, as we read in the Acts of the Apostles,’ citing Acts 2:38; 10:48; and 19:5” (Erik H. Herrmann, Paul W. Robinson, The Annotated Luther, Volume 3: Church and Sacraments. Fortress Press. p. 66, 2016). In a documented sermon, Martin Luther made this astonishing statement, “It is indeed true that the name ‘Trinity’ is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man” (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, 1988, p. 406). The disciples of Christ, in the first two or more centuries, did not know of any doctrine of the Trinity. Historically, “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from him” (H. G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499, 1920). The so-called Great Commission, as written is an interpolation: "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19, the words in italics were added centuries later). The disciples were to make disciples in His name and they were only baptizing in the name of Christ, as the NT gives evidence. The formula is mentioned in the Didache (7:1-3), and it is mostly accepted as authentic due to its supporting manuscript evidence (Everett Ferguson, Baptism in the Early Church, 2013, pp. 134-5). Nevertheless, some scholars have held the view that the passage in the Didache is an interpolation as it is absent from the first few centuries of early Christian quotations, in which case it is believed it would be part of an apostolic or early Christian oral tradition from which both the received texts of Matthew and the Didache emerged, however, the conclusion is the church only baptized in the name of Christ. The view of the passage as an interpolation was in recent times maintained, and this particular line of opposing arguments by Trinitarians is pure eisegesis, meaning the process of interpreting a text in such a way as to introduce one's presuppositions, agendas, or biases, that artificially supports the Trinitarian formula, and based on interpolated verses added to the New Testament. Catholics and Protestants would agree with Protestant Theologian James White, who writes, “We hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine…We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully completely Christian” (The Forgotten Trinity, pp. 14-15). And yet most other scholars know that the Trinity is beyond human understanding, “The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who has tried to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind, but he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul” (Harold Lindsell and Charles Woodbridge, A Christian Handbook, pp. 51-52, 1953). Nowhere in the New Testament is believing in the Trinity a prerequisite for one’s salvation. Nowhere in the Bible did the LORD ever reveal Himself as a Trinity, or Triune God. Interpolations exist in the New Testament, which are words added later to prove the Trinity. Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7 are proven interpolations, and therefore not of the original Scriptures. 1 John 5:7 is known as “The Johannine comma,” due to a sequence of extra words in 1 John 5:7-8 which appear in later versions of the Bible, but not in earlier Scriptures. Compare these words below in italics in the KJV and the same verse from the newer ESV. "For there are three that bear record (witness) in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one" (1 John 5:7-8 KJV). "For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree" (1 John 5:7-8, ESV). These extra words are generally absent from the early Greek manuscripts. They only appear in the text in late medieval manuscripts, which were done by Trinitarians to bolster the man-made doctrine of the Trinity. The Trinitarian doctrine only existed since the 4th century! A religion unexamined is not worth having. Besides, most Christians when questioned about the Trinity prove to be Modalists, not Trinitarians (The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). Christians have given examples of the Trinity, and one is the steam, water, and ice, which is not a good example for it only proves modalism. The Trinity is not so much a mystery as it is the doctrine of confusion, and we know that God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33).
That was a very long very insightful post but the fact of the matter is is that God said he would preserve his word down through time and so we have to take into consideration that God is sovereign and if he is sovereign he did not allow the holy scriptures to be so polluted that we would be confused about something as important as who God is So when those verses say that we baptize you in the name of God the Father God the son and God the Holy Spirit you can be sure that is exactly what Christ said otherwise God has failed to do his job and is now a liar and if he is a liar he cannot be God
Not to mention I hate to tell you this but your viewpoint on that whole entire process is garbage.... You yourself have just introduced an incredible amount of agenda and eisogesis and your own presuppositions while complaining that you believe that trinitarians have done the very same thing. The fact of the matter is, the scripture refers to God the Father God the son and God the Holy Spirit and would not do so if there were not such a thing. We have all three members of the Trinity there when Jesus is baptized Jesus is in the water, the father speaks from heaven and said this is my son and whom I am well pleased, and the spirit ascends upon him like a dove now you can choose not to believe that if you want but all of that babble bull hockey you just said about the church and everything else means that God is not capable of preserving the most important doctrine of All in His holy scriptures for believers leaving out nearly the entire last 2000 years of so-called believers on their way to hell for worshiping a false god and if that's how you think God decides he's going to give humanity an opportunity to serve him then you are out of your mind. No sir!!!! God preserved his word down through time and we have as close to the original manuscripts as we need in order to ensure the salvation of all who read the scriptures and believe the gospel and the fact of the matter is if we were wrong about the Trinity then we would have a different God and the gospel would be useless
@@BenDeRaps1 “For ‘whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved’” (Romans 10:13). What is “the name which is above every name”? The answer is given by the prophet Isaiah. “Behold, God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid; ‘For Yah, the Lord, is my strength and song; He also has become my salvation’” (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV). Where did the name YAH come from? First, did you know that the name Jesus has only existed since the 17th century? Therefore, God never revealed the name Jesus, nor did the apostles ever know Him by the name Jesus. But what of the name YAH? We look to Moses. “Then Moses said to God, ‘Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?’ And God said to Moses, “HaYAH Ashar HaYAH” [meaning: “I AM WHO I AM”]. And He said, ‘Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM {YAH} has sent me to you.’ Moreover, God said to Moses, ‘Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations’” (Exodus 3:13-15). “HaYAH” means “the I AM” YAH is “the name which is above every name.” YAH, I AM, in Hebrew is יָהּ Therefore, it is HaYAH, “The I AM.” Not Ehyeh. Yeh, or Jehovah are false names never revealed by God. Since the apostles never knew the name Jesus, which was placed by man into the New Testament, and not according to the revelation of God, we need to put back the revealed name of the Savior. Is this name YAH a part of the Savior’s name? The apostle Paul assures us of “the name which is above every name,” as part of Christ’s name. He testified, “While thus occupied, as I journeyed to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests, at midday, O king, along the road I saw a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, shining around me and those who journeyed with me. And when we all had fallen to the ground, I heard a voice speaking to me and saying in the Hebrew language, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’ So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am YAHSHUA, whom you are persecuting. But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me’” (Acts 26:12-18). Christ told Paul His name in Hebrew. And this is what Paul wrote to the Philippians, “Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him ‘the name which is above every name,’ that at the name of YAHSHUA, every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that YAHSHUA the Christ is LORD, to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2:9-11). Christ, Himself told the people that He is YAH, meaning “I AM.” Our Savior said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM {YAH}.” The expression “I AM”, means YAH. We praise our God and Savior with this expression: “Halleluyah, Praise YAH!” Shua means “my help,” as in “salvation.” YAHSHUA means, “I AM Salvation.” And the apostle Peter testified, “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” When the Sanhedrin (Jewish Court) heard the name YAHSHUA, as the name YAH is the very name given to Moses, and they recognized the very name YAH, that they sought to hide from the Gentiles, for fear that the Gentiles would profane the name, the Sanhedrin forbid the apostle from preaching in this name, “YAHSHUA” (Acts 4:17-18). However, when the apostles preached in the name of YAHSHUA, the people did not hear it, instead, they heard the name Yeshua (a common name among the Jews at that time), and unless one was part of the Way, the Nazareans, the name YAHSHUA was not well known. Yeshua, an Aramaic name, was a common name in the 1st century. Those who reject the name YAHSHUA need to take warning, “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God” (John 3:18). Why is this important revealed name, YAHSHUA, not better known? The answer is given by YAHSHUA, He said, “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it” (Matthew 7:13-14). “Few there be who find it.” The Aramaic name Yeshua was transliterated into Greek and became an entirely different name Iesous. Iesous (ee-sous) transformed into Iesus (ee-sus, as seen in the 1611 KJV Bible). Iesus was later transformed into the name Jesus (gee-sus) when the letter J became officially incorporated into the English Alphabet in the 17th century. According to the testimony of the apostle Peter, "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). No other name, so which is the one name given under heaven by which we must be saved? Yeshua, Iesous, Iesus, or Jesus? Is the name of salvation based on the revelation of God, or by the changing languages according to the tongues of mankind? The prophet Isaiah tells us the name of salvation, he says, "Behold, God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid; ‘For Yah, the Lord, is my strength and song; He also has become my salvation’ ” (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV, as found in Hebrew Scriptures Yod-Hey יָהּ). Is YAH the name of Salvation? Did the Savior identify Himself with the name YAH, which means "I AM." Christ said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58 NKJV). Is YAH "the name which is above every name"? When Moses asked for God's name, did God reveal the name YAH, as in "I AM?" "Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?” And God said to Moses, "HaYAH Ashar HaYAH" [“I AM WHO I AM”]. And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM {YAH} has sent me to you.’ ” Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations’" (Exodus 3:13-15). Does this make YAH [I AM] "the name which is above every name"? When the apostle Paul was on the road to Damascus and encountered the Lord, did he hear the Lord give his name in Hebrew, as found in Acts 26:12-18, and so did he hear "the name which is above every name"? Did the apostle Paul hear the name given to Moses, the very name "YAH"? Is not the revealed name of YAH, "the name which is above every name"? The apostle Paul wrote this, "Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him 'the name which is above every name'..." (Philippians 2:9). Therefore, is it not reasonable to see that "YAH" is "the name which is above every name," and that YAH is part of our Savior's revealed name? Therefore, the apostle Paul would have originally written: "Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him 'the name which is above every name,' that at the name of YAHSHUA, every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that YAHSHUA the Christ is LORD, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:9-11). Therefore, based on the above, YAHSHUA is the only name by which we must be saved. What if I do not believe in the name YAHSHUA, and stay with the name Jesus, even though it came to be by the tongue of man, and not by the revelation of God? Well, “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God" (John 3:18). In answer to your question, according to the New Testament, you will stand condemned...
@@BenDeRaps1 And yet, the apostles did not do what the Savior asked regarding how to baptize. 1 John 5:7 is a proven interpolation. Trinitarians dominate Christianity so much so that they would have you believe that if you are not a Trinitarian, you are not a Christian. This is not true. Historically, Christianity has not always been controlled by the Trinitarians or their Doctrine. There was no defined Trinitarian doctrine for the first three hundred years of the history of the Christian Church. But to listen to Trinitarians, you would think Christ taught His disciples the Trinity, or at the very least God revealed the Doctrine of the Trinity to the church from the beginning. No such teaching or revelation from God was ever given, nor was the Trinity made essential for believers according to the Bible. Yet, according to Trinitarians, the doctrine of the Trinity is considered sacred and fundamental, and most Trinitarians view it as the litmus test for defining who is and is not a Christian. Only ignorance would allow such a thing. The audacity of the Trinitarians to threaten one’s very salvation! James White has publicly stated, “We (Trinitarians) hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine… We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully and completely Christian” (The Forgotten Trinity, pp. 14-15). And yet, no one can understand the Trinity. Scholars have acknowledged this, “The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who has tried to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind; but he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul” (Harold Linsell and Charles Woodbridge, A Handbook of Christian Truth, pp. 51). This Trinitarian Doctrine produces confusion, and this confusion is not from the God of the Bible (1 Corinthians 14:33). Where did this doctrine of the Trinity come from? “The term ‘Trinity’ is not itself found in the Bible. It was first used by Tertullian at the close of the 2nd century but received wide currency and formal elucidation only after the 4th and 5th centuries” (see “Trinity,” New Bible Dictionary, 1996). “Precisely what that doctrine is, or rather precisely how it is to be explained, Trinitarians are not agreed among themselves” (see “Trinitarians,” A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge). Biblically, God never revealed the Doctrine of the Trinity, then how did the church come to accept it? From history, we get the answer, “The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and many controversies…It was not until the 4th century that the distinctness of the three and their unity were brought together in a single orthodox doctrine of one essence and three persons” (The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 11, p. 928, 1985 ed.). “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from Him” (H.G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499, 1920). Over 3 hundred years after Christ, this doctrine of God being Triune took over the church as essential to our salvation! What of all the believers who accepted Christ before the 4th century, but had no idea that belief in the Trinity was a requirement for their salvation? Is the demand by Trinitarians that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation a form of legalism? What is legalism? Have not Trinitarians laid down the law that one must believe in the Trinity to be saved? In Christian theology, "legalism" is a pejorative term applied to the idea that "by doing good works or by obeying the law, a person earns and merits salvation." If men, whether by popular belief or by group or clergy, place a prerequisite, a stipulation, or insist upon a certain belief upon one so that they would receive salvation is this not a form of legalism? Only Christ, by the will of the Father, can place prerequisites, stipulations, and beliefs upon one to receive salvation without falling under “legalism.” Therefore, Christ made no requirement that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation, then it follows that the stipulation that one must believe in the Trinity would be a form of legalism caused by Trinitarians. There is no requirement by Christ that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation. Where did the idea of the Trinity come from since God never revealed the concept of the Trinity? Edward Gibbon, a noted historian, gives this answer, “If paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. The pure Deism of the first Christians…was changed by the Church…into the incomprehensible dogma of the Trinity” (The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, p. xvi, 1883). The Trinity finds its birth in the West according to Pagan Greek philosophy. Were we not warned about this by the apostle Paul, who wrote, “Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ” (Colossians 2:8). Rise up in truth all Christians and throw off this heavy yoke of Trinitarian bondage to a false doctrine never revealed by Christ. It is false that one must believe in the Trinity to be saved. Christ is God because His God and Father gave Him all things, and all things are committed to Him. Christ said, “All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him” (Matthew 11:27).
@@S.R.M. your big long goofy post is absolutely false and not a word of it is true. Yes of course the word Trinity was not found in the pages of scripture however Christ spoke of the father and of the paraclete, the Holy Spirit when she spoke to them just before he left and said he was sending the spirit in his place and he mentioned it other places throughout the scriptures as well. Just because something isn't directly spoken of such as the word Trinity does not mean that the doctrine was not taught and all of that garbage you just said for about 2000 words about how the first 300 years it was never mentioned, first of all, I'm sorry were you there for the first 300 years? You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about...... Since we don't have any first century documents except for a timely little leaflet piece of the book of matthew...... Everything else that we have is from the second and third century.... But the fact still remains that Christ spoke of the father and he spoke of the spirit in multiple places and you'll find it in every gospel and you'll find it and all of the Epistles and so for us to assume that it was not spoken of by Christ is just completely ignorant of the facts and just because you don't want to believe in the Trinity yet you want to call yourself a christian, that's up to you.. and of course you're not a Christian if you don't believe in the father son and spirit because they are one God and if you don't believe in God as he is then you're believing in a different God aren't you because you don't believe in the correct God.... You believe in the Jesus as a historical figure but you do not believe in Jesus who is the son who has a father and has a spirit, a triune being that makes up one God which is the God of the Bible the God that we serve..... And that doesn't sit well with you and I really don't give a crap how it sits because it is nevertheless true. I'm not here to cuddle your emotions or make your little feelings feel better I'm here to tell you the truth and if you don't like the truth that's your own problem not mine... You have to be completely ignorant of the facts, by simply turning a blind eye to what the scripture say if you would like to do that that's on you and one day you'll stand before God and you'll answer for that. You don't have to stand before me and answer for anything but to say that the father son and spirit are not found in scripture is just absolutely a false statement and it only takes a 5-year-old reading level to be able to tell that Christ spoke of his father and of the spirit who would come in his place the second paraclete in the Greek.... Jesus even spoke of the spirit to Nicodemus and we know that by textual criticism because the word Spirit and the word wind are the same word in the Greek but when you follow contextual criticism we know that Jesus wasn't talking about the wind because of how he used it in the sentence..... In other words, through contextual criticism we realize he was talking about a person not a thing..... Had he simply been talking about wind he would have described it like you would describe wind not like you would describe a person with a personality.... Anyway I'm not going to continue to have this conversation with you because there are all kinds of fake religions that believe in Jesus they just believe in the Jesus of their own creation not that Jesus of the Bible..... And you are absolutely correct that we trinitarians believe that if you don't believe in the Jesus of the Bible then you believe in a false Jesus and you will not be saved by a false jesus. It's called The Gospel and it's the only way that man can be saved because it's the power of God unto salvation
In the Old Testament it mentions about God, And Jesus in someway was implied or mentioned. In the New Testament were concerned that they will be left by themselves after Jesus' ascension. Then Jesus told them that He will send back the Holy Spirit to them. So my questions are: Why basing on what Jesus said, it brought out the doctrine of Trinity, 5he three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. But why in the Old Testament it did not say that there are two persons? Another question: Is the Spirit of God in the Old Testament actually the one being referred to by Jesus? Just because God is the Father and Jesus is the Son and when Jesus comforted His disciples with the promise of the Holy Spirit, or God's Spirit that brought about the Trinity, the three distinct persons
Do you think the reason why most Christians don’t understand the doctrine of Trinity is because the Bible doesn’t actually teach it? It’s something that has to be taught to you.
🎯Yup! It's false doctrine like almost all the false doctrine videos on TH-cam. Acts 2:38 saves. Acts 16:30-33; Acts 9:17-18; Mark 16:15-16; John 14:15 AKJVNT
@@bruhmingo Actually, it didn’t and came from piecing together, scriptures to try to come up with it. And it’s funny how some doctrine that they say is so highly essential comes from trying to ping-pong, back-and-forth between old and New Testament to figure out who Jesus is. However, Jesus directly tells us who he is and the apostles did. 👉And this is eternal life, that they may know YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 17:3 👉 ”yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him.“ 1 Corinthians 8:6 ASV 👉 ”For there is one God, one mediator also between God and men, himself man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a ransom for all; the testimony to be borne in its own times;“ 1 Timothy 2:5-6 ASV 👉 ”There is one body, and one Spirit, even as also ye were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism ”one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all.“ Ephesians 4:5-6 👉He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of MY GOD, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of MY GOD, and the name of the city of MY GOD, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from MY GOD, and mine own new name. Revelation 3:12 ASV
What one believes is meaningless if is not the truth. The trinity is not the truth. It is a doctrine adapted in 381 AD at the First Council of Constantinople. Jesus is the name of God. When God is seen that is Jesus. Matthew 28:18 Jesus said " All power in heaven and in earth has been given unto Me." Jesus is The Everlasting Father as stated in Isaiah. There is no trinity, just confused people who believe that men can change The Word of God.
Isaiah 9: 6-7 " For to us a child is given, and the government shall be on His shoulders, And He will becalled , Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, , Prince of Peace." There are several reasons that Jesus condemned the catholic church in Revelation chapter 17. Her daughters are also wrong about Jesus.
Nope! There is NOT 3 gods. There's Only One God, and He is JESUS CHRIST, God in the flesh. The Omnipotent Holy Spirit is the Father. If you see Jesus Christ, you see God. "Hear O Israel, the Lord thy God is One God." -- Jesus Christ. (Mark 12:29-31). (John 1:1-5; John 14:6-7; Rev. 1:8,18).
@grey7987 I did represent their beliefs correctly; they're wrong. There's Only One God. (John 1:1-5; John 4:24; John 14:6-7; Matt. 28:18-20; Rev. 1:8,18; Rev. 22 AKJVNT.
@@goodday23456 true, I’m one being with 3 distinct persons. My soul is not my mind is not my body, but I’m one being. One human person(person in this case refers to being).
@@boosminogstatus6460 If you all want to be blind then go on and be blind; you'll all fall into the ditch. That's ridiculous to say your walking around as three persons in one. It's stupid. I don't think I can fix stupid. I'm just shaking my head at nonsense.
I think History bears this out. Trinitarians dominate Christianity so much so that they would have you believe that if you are not a Trinitarian, you are not a Christian. This is not true. Historically, Christianity has not always been controlled by the Trinitarians or their Doctrine. There was no defined Trinitarian doctrine for the first three hundred years of the history of the Christian Church. But to listen to Trinitarians, you would think Christ taught His disciples the Trinity, or at the very least God revealed the Doctrine of the Trinity to the church from the beginning. No such teaching or revelation from God was ever given, nor was the Trinity made essential for believers according to the Bible. Yet, according to Trinitarians, the doctrine of the Trinity is considered sacred and fundamental, and most Trinitarians view it as the litmus test for defining who is and is not a Christian. Only ignorance would allow such a thing. The audacity of the Trinitarians to threaten one’s very salvation! James White has publicly stated, “We (Trinitarians) hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine… We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully and completely Christian” (The Forgotten Trinity, pp. 14-15). And yet, no one can understand the Trinity. Scholars have acknowledged this, “The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who has tried to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind; but he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul” (Harold Linsell and Charles Woodbridge, A Handbook of Christian Truth, pp. 51). This Trinitarian Doctrine produces confusion, and this confusion is not from the God of the Bible (1 Corinthians 14:33). Where did this doctrine of the Trinity come from? “The term ‘Trinity’ is not itself found in the Bible. It was first used by Tertullian at the close of the 2nd century but received wide currency and formal elucidation only after the 4th and 5th centuries” (see “Trinity,” New Bible Dictionary, 1996). “Precisely what that doctrine is, or rather precisely how it is to be explained, Trinitarians are not agreed among themselves” (see “Trinitarians,” A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge). Biblically, God never revealed the Doctrine of the Trinity, then how did the church come to accept it? From history, we get the answer, “The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and many controversies…It was not until the 4th century that the distinctness of the three and their unity were brought together in a single orthodox doctrine of one essence and three persons” (The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 11, p. 928, 1985 ed.). “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from Him” (H.G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499, 1920). Over 3 hundred years after Christ, this doctrine of God being Triune took over the church as essential to our salvation! What of all the believers who accepted Christ before the 4th century, but had no idea that belief in the Trinity was a requirement for their salvation? Is the demand by Trinitarians that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation a form of legalism? What is legalism? Have not Trinitarians laid down the law that one must believe in the Trinity to be saved? In Christian theology, "legalism" is a pejorative term applied to the idea that "by doing good works or by obeying the law, a person earns and merits salvation." If men, whether by popular belief or by group or clergy, place a prerequisite, a stipulation, or insist upon a certain belief upon one so that they would receive salvation is this not a form of legalism? Only Christ, by the will of the Father, can place prerequisites, stipulations, and beliefs upon one to receive salvation without falling under “legalism.” Therefore, Christ made no requirement that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation, then it follows that the stipulation that one must believe in the Trinity would be a form of legalism caused by Trinitarians. There is no requirement by Christ that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation. Where did the idea of the Trinity come from since God never revealed the concept of the Trinity? Edward Gibbon, a noted historian, gives this answer, “If paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. The pure Deism of the first Christians…was changed by the Church…into the incomprehensible dogma of the Trinity” (The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, p. xvi, 1883). The Trinity finds its birth in the West according to Pagan Greek philosophy. Were we not warned about this by the apostle Paul, who wrote, “Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ” (Colossians 2:8). Rise up in truth all Christians and throw off this heavy yoke of Trinitarian bondage to a false doctrine never revealed by Christ. It is false that one must believe in the Trinity to be saved. Christ is God because His God and Father gave Him all things, and all things are committed to Him. Christ said, “All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him” (Matthew 11:27).
Most Christians are not passionate about the trinity, because deep down they know its not true. It's historical but not part of the history of the teaching of jesus or the apostles. It's confusing, & no wonder because it doesn't make sense nor is it taught in the bible! The doctrine of the trinity turns people away from belief in Christianity because it is a mystery to the teachers of Christianity, let alone the church goers! Time to get rid of this ridiculous doctrine & find out the truth & power of the word of God in jesus christ the Son of God!
@@solidground338 I'm not sure what you're saying. However just to put it plainly every child has to have a father & mother, that includes jesus. His Father was God in heaven, his mother was the human Mary chosen by God. His other earthly guardian was Joseph
@pper93 Thank you for exposing the ignorance of your god allah, your imaginary god thought that Jesus is literally/Biological son of God. God is One in essence express Himself as Father Son and Holy Spirit, your imaginary god couldn't comprehend it. Lol🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hi Brethren, Truth is bitter whilst the Gospel Truth is very bitter to the hypocrites. Now, Moses put on Christ and gained the knowledge of the Oral Torah, which is His Word that Christ Jesus came to deliver but they hated Him and in the end, killed Him too for no fault but exposing the hypocrite by the power of His Word. So, Light came among his own people of the Juda tribe but they loved Darkness to keep carrying on fleecing the people. The Temple Priests knew that Jesus is the Christ, the Heir of the Complex (Parable of the Winepress, the Jerusalem School of Theology) and they planned to kill him to occupy the Temple, which they did by Crucifying Him. This they did to show the characteristics of the Eleven Patriarchs who wanted to kill Joseph for telling the Truth to Father Jacob. John, the Baptist was an Angel called Prophet Elijah (My god is the demiurge Potter Yahweh), a witness to the Light, a true Rabbi in whose name Christ Jesus had 70 outer circle Labourers, Witnesses, to the True Light = His Word = Oral Torah and they went in pairs to baptise the Jewish men in water in the name of Abraham, making them faithful sons of Abraham and Yahweh as the Samaritans were who with the knowledge of His Word picked up the wounded person in Agape and looked after him with the divine Love “Agape”, which is far greater than the tribal love Eros that Moses created in the wilderness and no more fighting among them called lifting up the Satan snake that caused a rift among them. So, under Agape, we should be international Peace Makers lifting the Cobras among the Nations. But most of the Churches employ Priests as the Councils employ the Policemen in uniform. These hireling Dog-Collared Priests work for Mammon and not God. They are Thieves of the order of Judas Iscariot stealing money from the Church Purse and not working as Tent Makers as St. Paul demonstrated and working for God devoted to delivering the Bitter Life-Giving Gospel Truth Sermons that set people free of Mammon devoted to Mammon-Free God rather than delivering the sugar-coated sermons of falsehoods to please their Masters in Mammon and attract more customers into their Anti-Christ business of prayer and fasting as the Disciples of the blind Jewish Rabbis were promoting and creating spiritually blind people hating Christ Jesus. It is the Gospel Truth that creates Philia Love and Peace in Society whereas the Falsehoods create sectarian riots such as Catholics and Protestants. Jesus had clearly stressed that in God, we have One Fold, the Church of God headed by One Mammon-Free Shepherd Christ Jesus and His Apostle Friends, the Saints. Thus, the Churches asking for donations employ the hireling Dog-Collared Priests spiritually dead in the letters, the old wine as the University Professors are today and they create the sectarian riots. So, please think twice before you donate money to the Churches who’s Priests live lavishly on widow's mites. Calling Jesus a Lord that has spiritually slave Disciples is the sign of the Anti-Christ. In Christ Jesus, we have One Father and we are all Brethren in spirit and not physically. Thus, in the Church of God headed by Christ Jesus, we are all Brethren representing and glorifying our Father in honour of Christ Jesus. That is what Christ Jesus Said, "There is niether male nor female, Jew or Gentile, etc. of the physical secular world but Brethren in our spiritual Celestial World of Sadhu Melchizedek". We are the Predestined Royal Priests of our Mammon-Free Royal King Whose Regime in Agape has no end. The secular kings have commandments whilst our Royal King has none to bind you. The Philia Love in which you Preach the Gospel from the Roof-Tops pleases our Father and He will take you into His Fold where we enjoy Storge Love in which there is neither giving nor taking, the Seventh Husband of the woman whose six husbands died without binding her to the secular world of families as the Sadhus do not have the secular ties. Mary Magdalene was a typical example who was Free of the Seven Demons, the rituals represented by the seven candles of Menorah. Much more in my other videos if you are interested; channel One God One Faith. I do not pray or fast as Supernatural Father Elohim, Allah, Parbrahm, etc. from Above the natural world that you can see, greater than the one in heaven, demiurge creator of male and female = Potter, Yahweh, Khuda, Brahma, etc. did in the past alienated under the Rabbis, lives in His Temple and I am a Christ, the Royal Priest dishing His Treasure Free-of-charge and not a Christian of the dead letters, Jewish Leaven. My Father is no more alienated like the demiurge Yahweh, Brahma, Khuda, etc. in heaven but Real Elohim, Allah, Parbrahm, etc. and He lives with me in his Temple and teaches me directly to proclaim to the world in honour of our Bridegrooms Christ Jesus and His Second coming Satguru = Christ Nanak Dev Ji of India. I am Christ from Above where Jesus and His Second coming Nanak, the True Vines are Planted by our Father - John 3v11. Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have perceived through logical reasoning that Brew “Logo = His Word” but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12 I have spoken to you of earthly things such as a Jew is one who is “inwardly - spiritual” and not outwardly in Abraham otherwise the people of Ishmael would be Jew as well - not a single Jew died in the Holocaust but the tribal people misled by their blind guides, the Rabbis and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of ABOVE heavenly things? And Nanak, the second coming of Jesus is and not below people reading the Scriptures and vomiting them out called Christians and Sikhs of beard and turban of appearances and not of heart. Thus, Christs =Satgurus are known to the Christs = Satgurus of the holy spirit, which is common sense called Surti in Hindi and not to the Christians of the Bible = Milk for the once-born babies, the Disciples that are disciplined by the Rabbi. This is what Jesus told the Pharisees and Sadducees who asked His Labourers, "Why don't you pray and fast as the Disciples, the once-born that were disciplined by teaching the moral laws of Moses, of John, the Baptist, an Angel Prophet Elijah that works for the demiurge creator of male and female John, the Baptist, Rabbis, etc. do?" To this our Anointed Elder Brother and Bridegroom Christ Jesus replied "They will do so when Christ, son of God Elohim, Allah, Parbrahm, etc. and of our Mother Holy Spirit, is gone from their hearts and they have become Christians of the dead Scriptures worse than these Rabbis - Matt 12v43-45, then they will pray and fast". Jesus by His Sacrifice as the innocent Lamb of God of Righteousness got rid of the Middle Men, the Rabbis, Pharisees, Pope, Dog-Collared Priests, etc. These hirelings in the Churches steal money from the Church Purse as their salaries and for working for Mammon and not God, they teach you the dead letters of the Scriptures which they had learnt from the Universities and Colleges to get the Licence that binds you in the dead letters as did the slave to the High Priest Rabbis. Their customers are so dead that they still think our Father God is still in heaven alienated and not within us the Temples of God. Such Christians become great blasphemers in their workplaces doing injustices and killing people as Tony Blair and Bush did Saddam Hussein that he had WMD but none were found by a Major General who is running a Ministry in the name of Christ Jesus. He won't proclaim from the Rooftop that Tony Blair and Bush, the War Criminals, were Blasphemers against the Holy Spirit worse than the temple priests who killed our anointed Elder Brother Christ Jesus. Blasphemy is not forgivable and this righteous man of God will PUNISH them soon. So, wake up and use your common sense to know the Gospel Truth and proclaim it from the Rooftops. In Agape, I will make a TH-cam video to glorify God in honour of my Elder Brother Christ Jesus and His second coming Christ Nanak. God blesses people according to their hearts; righteous or unrighteous. Christ Jesus said that if someone misleads a child-like innocent person, then a millstone is tied around his neck and he should be drowned in the deep sea. Now, the USA, the U.K. and other western countries destroyed the homes of people in Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, Syria, etc. on false accusations such as the WMD in Iraq but none were found. This is called hypocrisy/Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and it is not forgivable. Such calamities are expected for people to repay for their atrocities. th-cam.com/video/lbqLQZN_hsQ/w-d-xo.html
Moses gave us the written Torah, the oral Torah is what was used to reject Messiah. That’s why Jesus said search the scriptures for it is they that speak of me. Except for Isaiah 53 had they gone to the written Torah they would have found him there, but none the less the words of the prophet had to be for filled. Rev. Roger Clyde Las Vegas, NV
Ignore the first commandment, so Jesus can be made into god? Without, the trinity, Jesus cannot be god. So the trinity has to be invented. How convenient!!!
Actually Jesus is a god. It means mighty being (cf Psalms 82:1,6). Jesus was an angel before changing into human form (Philippians 2:7). However, Jesus is NEVER ALMIGHTY GOD. That is why Jesus commanded that DISCIPLES be made. (John 13:35) By this all will know that you are my disciples-if you have love among yourselves.” The Trinity was a fulfillment of this prophecy. (Acts 20:30) and from AMONG YOU yourselves men will rise and SPEAK TWISTED THINGS to draw away the disciples after themselves.
No YESHUA is I AM Who I AM YESHUA Is The Father And The Son And The Holy Spirit YESHUA IS Almighty YAHWEH ELOHIM GOD In The Flesh Thank You Pastor And Evangelist Brian Newton
Dr. James White offers "The three foundations," which are presuppositions. There are other alternatives The Biblical Foundation of The Centrality of Christ as God. Foundation One: Monolatrism "God is the God of gods..." (Deuteronomy 10:17). Foundation Two: All things have been given to the Son of God from His God and Father. And He alone is our Rock (Isaiah 44:6-8; 1 Corinthians 10:1-4). Foundation Three: "You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I" (John 14:28).
The Bible says that Jesus is the son of God, not God the son, and not God the Father, The son of God! There's plenty of evidence that the doctrine of the trinity is pagan
Yes he’s the Son of God but he’s of the same nature as the Father. Just because the exact phraseology God the Son doesn’t appear in scripture, it doesn’t disprove it.
@dualtags4486 but the Bible says that Jesus was a man, now what? So he's also got your nature, but furthermore, the Bible does day that Jesus is inferior than God, so the same nature as you call it doesn't mean he's the almighty
@@franciscogutierrez3095 ofc Jesus is a man. I don’t contest that, but he’s more than just a man. How come in Mark 1:1-4, mark quotes two Old Testament prophecies of Yahweh and applies them to Jesus. Also Jesus is never said to be ontologically inferior to the Father, he’s only lower than him because he took on the status of a human servant (Philippians 2:5-8). He’s positionally lower, not ontologically.
With this video I learned.. Against Oneness.. saying the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost is One God.. If One then The Father was Also Crucified even the Holy Spirit.. make sense.. there is ONE GOD, The Father, His Word, And His Spirit.. Genesis 1:26 [26]Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
The Father came in the form of flesh and the flesh was crucified and not the spirit. The Father Himself is that Spirit and that Spirit is the Holy Spirit.
@@Just_in_Rich I'm disagree that the Father Himself was took the Human flesh... It is His Son his Word who took the Human Flesh.. if The Christ is the The Father Himself it's problematic theology when The Father said to Christ 'This is My Son' For God so loved the world that HE SENT HIS ONLY SON'... Therefore I believed that there is the Father, and the Son is the 👉EXACT IMAGE of the Father..
@@nicoleela2617 Is the Spirit of God the Father different and distinct from the Spirit of Jesus, the Son? How many mighty God do we have? How many Everlasting Fathers do we have? Who is Isa 9: 6 prophesied about - God or the Son? To understand, we need to understand what God is. We cannot understand Him like humans. If we call them all distinct persons, then we are saying that all three have/are distinct spirits.
@@Just_in_Rich Isaiah spoke about the Son... He shall be 👉 'called' . The Everlasting Father.. for He is the Image of the Everlasting Father.. 'IMAGE of the Father' there's distinction between the Image and the Origin of the Image itself.. Trinity believed in ONE GOD.. The Father', His Word, His Spirit. The Father' Sent His Son, His Word who made Flesh, it is not the Father' who took the form of a servant..
@@nicoleela2617 Do you mean to say that because He is just the "IMAGE of the Father" He is not THE Father? Isa 54:5 also uses the word "called". Does that mean that God is the image of another God? There is only one "EVERLASTING" Father and there is only one "MIGHTY GOD". No one BECOMES a mighty God and then He is called so. The definition of God itself proves the eternal quality of the Being. So, neither this Godhood can be passed on to someone else nor can the title be earned. Jesus is the essence of the Father and hence the expressed image of the Father. By Him ALL things were made. He is the Creator. Anything that is not God is created by Him, whether seen or unseen and there is just One God. If you believe that these are 3 distinct persons and are equal with God then are there 3 distinct Gods? You don't find it anywhere in the scriptures. Either you have to believe that Jesus is a lesser God or He is God or there are more than one God, in that case. You cannot say there is only one God and then say there are three distinct persons, which itself defeats the claim of oneness. When the scriptures say the "Word was God", does it mean the same God the Father or a different God? We cannot understand the three - Father, Son and the Holy Spirit but to the best of my knowledge, the closest illustration I can give you is the river. River is God, water is the Son and the force of it is the Holy Spirit. When I say 'river' then I surely include water and the power with which it flows.
The Trinity is simple. The scriptures have to be twisted, taken out of context, word matching used to convince people. (John 8:40) But now you are seeking to kill me (ie. Jesus), A MAN who has told you the truth that I HEARD FROM GOD. Then again, what would Jesus know about himself.
@tongakhan230 is only a fool will pick up a sentence in a book and decide to establish doctrine while the beginning of that book has already told you whom that person really is. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.
I am amazed with the ad hominen comments in this section. You all should have respect for a fellow human. That being said, i have to remind some of you that all you critics here would not last 5 minutes in a debate with Dr. White, wich have as of now, done more than 180 debates with some of the most prominent debaters in the world, from various denominations and religions of the world. God bless you Dr.White, and thank you for clarifying this very important doctrine for us.
You are honoring a man who deceived you into believing that the Father is not the only true God and made Jesus a liar in John 17:3, by claiming that there are two other persons that are not the Father and are also GODS. As you already know, the Father is not 3 persons, but God is. It is clear from John 17:3 that Jesus didn't teach this, and Paul confirmed it in 1 Corinthians 8:6. It's time to acknowledge and accept the truth.
The trinity is NOT taught in OT Scripture nor was it taught by Messiah, nor was it taught by the Apostles. Tertullian who was a stoic philosopher before turning to christianity introduced the false doctrine of the trinity and was not excepted by the church until the late 300's.
Psalm 110:1 The LORD says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.” Matthew 22:41-45 Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question: “What do you think about the Christ, whose son is He?” They said to Him, “The son of David.” He said to them, “Then how does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying, ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Until I put Your enemies beneath Your feet”’? If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his son?” .....there are many references to The Father, The Son & The Holy Spirit in the New Testament though!...and that Jesus IS GOD.❤️✝️
Isaiah 6:8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" Then I said, "Here am I. Send me" Isaiah 54:5 For your Maker is your husband, the LORD of hosts is his name; the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer, the God of the whole earth he is called... The word translated, "Maker" is plural in Hebrew..which is a second Hebrew word that is plural that is used of God. Isaiah 48:16-17 Come near me and listen to this: "From the first announcement I have not spoken in secret; at the time it happens, I am there. "And now the Sovereign LORD has sent me, with his Spirit. This is what the LORD says - your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: "I am the LORD your God, who teaches you what is best for you, who directs you in the way you should go....anyone who studies Isaiah knows that it is prophecy about Christ. In this scripture we should recognize this is God the Son speaking. What difference does it make What Tertullian was before his conversion? Moses was a murderer....Paul persecuted Christians, we were all confused & sinners before conversion. Ignatius lived 30-107 a.d. and wrote the following: “Study, therefore, to be established in the doctrines of the Lord and the apostles, that so all things, whatsoever ye do, may prosper both in the flesh and spirit; in faith and love; in the Son, and in the Father, and in the Spirit. . . . Be ye subject to the bishop, and to one another, as Jesus Christ to the Father, according to the flesh, and the apostles to Christ, and to the Father, and to the Spirit.” Although he viewed God the Father as "the one true God" he also wrote,(whoever) “declares that there is but one God, only so as to take away the divinity of Christ, is a devil.”....and also he recorded, "“To the church . . . elected through the true passion by the will of the Father, and Jesus Christ our God.” “For our God, Jesus Christ was, according to appointment of God conceived in the womb of Mary . . . God Himself being manifested in human form for the renewal of eternal life.” So, to say that the doctrine(teaching) of the "Trinity" was not around until the 300's is simply not true...it would be fair to say that the word "Trinity" or "Triune" may not have been recorded, but it was certainly understood. Justin Martyr & Irenaeus also wrote on the deity of Christ & The Holy Spirit. Why would Jesus say : Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (Mt. 28:19) instead of just YHWH???🤔
THE TRINITY IS THROUGHOUT THE BIBLE: *All three persons of the Trinity were present at the conception, The FATHER, the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT* : Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, *The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee*, AND *the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee*: therefore ALSO *that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God*. *And at the creation of man*: Gen 1:26 And God said, *Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness*: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. ( plural) Gen 1:27 *So God created man in HIS own image*, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (yet singular) (one God, three personages) 1Jo 5:7 For there are THREE that bear record in heaven, *the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost*: and *these THREE ARE ONE*. Joh 1:1 *In the beginning was the Word*, and the Word was with God, *and the Word was God*. Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. Joh 1:14 And *the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us*, (and *we beheld his glory*, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Col 2:9 *For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the GODHEAD bodily*. Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 1Ti 3:16 And without controversy *great is the mystery of godliness*: *God was manifest in the flesh*, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, *preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory*. Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. “GLORIFY ME WITH THINE OWN SELF” (MEANING TOGETHER AS THEY WERE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS (IN THE BEGINNING) A PLURAL AND SINGULAR GOD: Gen 1:26 And God said, *Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness*: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. ( plural) Gen 1:27 *So God created man in HIS own image*, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (yet singular) (one God, three personages) Joh 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. Joh 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. HE GOES TO THE CROSS TO SANCTIFY TO US THROUGH HIM. Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. HE IS REFERRING TO THE INDWELLING OF GOD THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT (THIRD PERSON OF THE TRINITY) WHO IS THE SPIRIT OF BOTH JESUS AND GOD AS THEY ARE ALL ONE. 1Jo 5:7 For there are THREE that bear record in heaven, *the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost*: and *these THREE ARE ONE*. ROM 8:9 BUT YE ARE NOT IN THE FLESH, BUT IN THE SPIRIT, IF SO BE THAT THE *SPIRIT OF GOD* DWELL IN YOU. NOW IF ANY MAN HAVE NOT THE *SPIRIT OF CHRIST*, HE IS NONE OF HIS. Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: THE GLORY JESUS IS GIVEN TO US IS THE INDWELLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. JESUS HAS SHARED THE TRUTH OF GOD AND IS SANCTIFYING US BY HIS BLOOD SO THAT WE CAN RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT MAKING US ONE WITH THE FATHER AND THE SON. Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. Joh 14:18 *I will not leave you comfortless*: *I will come to you.* THE COMFORTER PROMISED IS THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD, THE FATHER AND JESUS (THIRD PERSON OF THE TRINITY) Joh 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, *and will manifest myself to him*. (THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT) THE GLORY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT: 2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the *children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away*: 2Co 3:8 *How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious*? 2Co 3:9 *For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory*. 2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, *by reason of the glory that excelleth*. 2Co 3:11 *For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious*. 2Co 3:12 *Seeing then that we have such hope*, we use great plainness of speech: 2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: 2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; *which vail is done away in Christ*. 2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 2Co 3:16 *Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away*. 2Co 3:17 *Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty*. 2Co 3:18 *But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord*. THE GLORY OF GOD’S SPIRIT FILLED THE TABERNACLE: Exo 40:34 Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and the *glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle*. Exo 40:35 And *Moses was not able to enter into the tent of the congregation, because the cloud abode thereon, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle*. 1Co 3:16 *Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you*? 1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; *for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are*.
Thats blasphemy what your saying. Just like the Pharisees. Don't Believe Jesus is the Messiah. God the Father , Jesus is God. Holy Spirit that is the Holy Trinity 3 in 1
I don’t understand why “all authority has been given to Jesus in heaven and on earth” shows He is God. Wouldn’t God HAVE authority? Why would it need to be given to Him by another person of the Godhead? (the Father) . Can someone help me on this ?
@@vettelover695 of course I can help you with it.... The scripture say that when Jesus became flesh.... He made himself lower than the angels.... And he set aside his authority..... He gave his authority back to the father..... And the father gave it back to him after he completed his work.... Remember Jesus was God but he was clothed in human flesh and as such he had limitations. It wasn't that his deity was taken away but rather that humanity was added to him..... Now if you're asking me to explain exactly how that worked LOL, find me anyone who can exactly explain God..... But that is what this particular verse means and the loud mouth in the comment below is never going to see that unless the Holy Spirit reveals it to him because the bottom line is, he hates Christ the son and because of that he will perish in his sins
bro, he literally came down as a man to be the perfect example for us in how to follow and do the will of the Father. He basically capped his power level for a bit till he was resurrected.
@@bobbyjoe373 I love that verse. It does still stir in me the question Does being with God make Jesus God? In other words, could it be that He was always the Son?
John : 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Jesus Is Equal with God Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. The Authority of the Son Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. Joh 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. Joh 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Philippians 2: 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Colossians 1:15-20 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. The Rider on a White Horse Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
In John 1:1, the Greek word _theos_ (“god”) appears twice, but there’s a key grammatical difference between them. The first _theos_ has the definite article ho (“the”) before it, which points to a specific identity-in this case, Almighty God. The second _theos,_ referring to the Word, doesn’t have that definite article, making it indefinite. So, without the article, _theos_ is describing a characteristic or quality of the Word, not saying the Word is Almighty God. This shows that the Word is “divine,” “a god,” or “god-like,” but not the same as _ho theos_ (“the God”). Also, John 1:1 says “the Word was with God.” If the Word was _with_ God, then the Word can’t be God at the same time. The New American Standard Bible translates Philippians 2:6 this way: "did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped". The English Standard Version renders it: "did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped," and the Good News Bible says, "he did not think that by force he should try to become equal with God." The Greek noun "harpagmos" in Philippians 2:6 comes from the verb "harpazo", which means to "seize hastily", "carry off", "overpower". It means taking or seizing something that does not belong to you. While in heaven before becoming a man, Jesus never considered usurping God's authority thus becoming equal to him. Jesus set an example for us by being humble and obedient to God. How could Jesus be equal with God since Philippians 2:9 says that after his resurrection, “God also hath highly exalted him”? The ultimate purpose for Jesus being exalted is to bring glory to God the Father. (Philippians 2:11) Colossians 1:15 and 16 says that by means of the Son, the firstborn of every creature, all things were created. When it says "all things", does that mean Jesus is God because nothing existed before Jesus? No. Verse 16 says that all things were created _by_ Jesus Christ, or _through_ Jesus Christ. When it says "all things were created by him", it is understood that this does not include God himself. Paul said something similar in 1 Corinthians 15:27, 28. There it states that God put all things under Jesus' feet. Paul clarifies in verse 27: "But when he says all things have been subjected, it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him." It is clear from these verses that Jesus is not Almighty God himself.
@@jollyrancher521 I think you said the same thing I did but dug a little deeper. The Word Became Flesh Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Joh 1:1 InG1722 the beginningG746 wasG2258 theG3588 Word,G3056 andG2532 theG3588 WordG3056 wasG2258 withG4314 God,G2316 andG2532 theG3588 WordG3056 wasG2258 God.G2316 G3056 - λόγος / logos / log'-os From G3004; something said (including the thought); by implication a topic (subject of discourse), also reasoning (the mental faculty) or motive; by extension a computation; specifically (with the article in John) the Divine Expression (that is, Christ): - account, cause, communication, X concerning, doctrine, fame, X have to do, intent, matter, mouth, preaching, question, reason, + reckon, remove, say (-ing), shew, X speaker, speech, talk, thing, + none of these things move me, tidings, treatise, utterance, word, work. Total KJV occurrences: 330 G2316 θεός / theos / theh'-os Of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with G3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively a magistrate; by Hebraism very: - X exceeding, God, god [-ly, -ward]. Total KJV occurrences: 1343 The Creation of the World Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Gen 1:1 In the beginningH7225 GodH430 createdH1254 (H853) the heavenH8064 and the earth.H776 H430 אֱלֹהִים / 'ĕlôhı̂ym / el-o-heem' Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty. Total KJV occurrences: 2601 I use e-Sword Bible program for the Syrongs numbers.
Trinity is false doctrine/philosophy. How can you say Jesus is fully God and fully man, but claim that he's not the father?? That would make Jesus partially God.
@@Mike34006 you're using your human intellect to try to understand.... You are a finite being trying to understand an infinite God with your finite. Intellect..... If God is all-powerful meaning he has all of the power...... Then it stands to reason if he chooses to exist as one essence but in three persons which all make up one God..... Then he can do so..... It's not even that complicated you have a soul and a body..... You are one person with three essence..... One body One soul and one spirit...... God is different from anyone and therefore he is three persons in one essence which make up one God and make him different and set apart from any other being
People having fallen prey for the apostate church Trinity doctrine need a saviour. In come these so-called teachers who give them what they want to hear. If God was multi personality then shouldn't the Bible clearly spell it out? These ruses are on how to make Jesus into God. It being a duality and not a trinity. 'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME' cannot be any clearer that Jesus who was SEEN was NEVER God. (1 John 4:12)
1 Corinthians 14:33 God is not confusing , but the trinity is . With each person there is something different to remember . So I Looked into it myself , so here's what I found , without all those fancy degrees . I believe God is the Father , he created us , me anyway , Jesus the Son is God man in flesh , and I believe in the Holy Spirit , the presence , and power of God . If they were 3 persons , when you get to heaven you would see 3 bodies . No they have 3 roles that are necessary for our salvation , allow me to explain ; only a true human could die for our sins , and could take our place , and shed his blood . So Jesus had to be the Son of God in order to die for our sins , but in order for the Son to be born , no human could do that , God had to be the Father of that baby , born in the womb of a virgin , and salvation is not just because of what happened 2000 years ago , it has to be applied to our lives today . How does that happen ; God comes to us by his Spirit , so God is not eternally 3 persons named Father , Son , and Holy Spirit . But God has operated in our lives as Father , Son , Spirit for the specific purpose of redeeming us ,or saving us from sin . So with that as a background 3 persons but 1 God would be a distortion because it interjects this idea that in the nature of God there is some distinction , or separation , or division , which is not practical for these reasons , who are we praying to we need to know for sure . Are we praying to 1 , or to 3 . When we get to heaven who are we going to see 1 , are we going to see 3 . That makes a difference who our faith is in , and the significance of the name of Jesus . We need to understand because when we pray in the name of Jesus : we expect demons to be cast out , ( Acts 19;13 - 15 ) , and people to be delivered , and healed ( Matthew 9:2 , 22 ; Acts 3:6 ) , and receive the Holy Spirit ( John 20:22 ; Acts 2:4 ) . But if the emphasis is on Father , Son , Holy Spirit then the name of Jesus is not magnified , we don't receive what God wants to give us . So there are a lot of practical reasons why we need to know the answer to this question , and if there is any message in scripture that God is 1 that's stated in ( Deuteronomy 6:4 ) Hear o Israel the Lord your God is 1 Lord ; Jesus repeated it in ( mark 12:29 ) , and if Jesus said it , you have to get it right , we need to talk about it . If I'm going to teach what the Bible teaches , I have to emphasize what the Bible emphasizes .
Jesus in prayer to the Father said "3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." [John17:3]. Paul said "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." [1Corinthians 8:6]. Jesus said the Father is the only true God. Paul said there is one God who is the Father and from him are all things (including the Word). I believe what the Lord and Paul are saying. Check to see if you also believe them.
@@kardiognostesministries8150 No matter what the divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ is, he is contingent upon the Father who is contingent upon no one according to the scriptures. Jesus is the Word of God whose author is the Father.
@@kardiognostesministries8150 Rationally, we should use clear scripture with no ambiguity to throw light on what is obscured and confusing and not the other way round. My emphasis is on the contingency of the Son or the Word upon the Father according to John, Paul and the Lord himself. By the way, what is the meaning of YHWH?
@@yasaaley Applying a text about YWH in direct reference to Jesus is more than enough. Throw in the fact that it is also a passage that is about praying to YHWH makes the case even stronger since prayer is due unto God alone.
Wait, near 11:10 he is saying that Christians "can't have fellowship with" other Christians who aren't Trinitarians? This is one of the most unbiblical, divisive ways of handling disagreements among believers I've ever heard spoken by a prominent Christian. It's unbiblical because the Bible specifically tells us to NOT act like that way when handling disagreements among believers. It says to do so with love, tolerance, and *understanding of the differing views* Now, how are we supposed to obtain an understanding of the differing views if even just fellowship isn't allowed with fellow Christians who don't believe exactly as you do for every single issue like this? Or does he genuinely believe that Trinitarianism is a salvation issue? If so, I would question if he's understanding a word written in the Bible to be honest.
Jesus did say this -"I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.” I believe the "he' there is added, so the idea is Jesus is referencing the I AM who spoke to Moses. So in that way, it might be a salvific issue, though I get your points, we certainly need to flip the doctrine pyramid like the food pyramid with love being at the top, however, love must me tied to scripture, so it makes it difficult, but too many Christians just dismiss others way too quickly instead of taking the time to really understand them. Good comment!
@@flamingswordapologetics The verse you're referring to is John 8:24 from the New Testament. Here's the context: In John 8, Jesus is having a conversation with the Pharisees. He is speaking about his identity and mission. Jesus warns them that they do not know where he is going and that they are not following him. Specifically, John 8:24 says: "I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins." In this context, Jesus is emphasizing the necessity of believing in him as the Messiah (the "I am he" refers to his identity as the promised Savior) for salvation. He is addressing the issue of disbelief and its consequences, suggesting that failure to recognize and believe in him as the Messiah will result in remaining in sin and its ultimate consequences. The broader passage includes Jesus declaring himself as the light of the world and offering spiritual truths and teachings that challenge the existing religious norms and understandings of the time. So, when the context is included, the "if you don't believe I am he" part is referring to those who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah / Savior.
@@lightbeforethetunnel Thanks, I see that is possible, but the "he" I'm pretty sure is not in the Greek, and the context of the I AM statements in the same chapter seem to be pointing back to the I AM that sent Moses, which we all identify as Yahweh. If this was the only verse taught alluded to the Divinity of Christ, it would be more difficult, but it seems the Unitarians take a position that is less likely and simply does not fit the context. Yes, they must believe He is the Messiah, but that the Messiah is the I AM from the Old T. That is my conundrum, because I am very open to accepting those who disagree with me as brothers/sisters on many issues.
Why don't Christians believe the words of Jesus? => "...the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life. " (John 6:63) Note: my cat has 3 kittens 😸 😸 😸 (a "trinity") but not "gods". Amen?!
The same people who say Lord Jesus is just a man or just a prophet would charge you with blasphemy and behead you if you said half of what Lord Jesus said.
@@JesusistheonetrueGod 🤣 ... not what I heard from a Unitarian preacher; he says that the Trinity comes from the Latin word "trinitas" [which has the definition of "collection of 3"].
@kardiognostesministries8150 that's an assumption and nothing more, Read this verse and note that Yahweh is not Jesus, Acts 5:30 if you believe for some reason this verse is not talking about 2 separate beings, let me know why!!!
The trinity isnt a dogma that must be believed in for salvation. Its not necessary or sane to think you have God all figured out and put into a nice little box. Stick with what the scriptures say and dont go further trying to put something beyond your understanding into a simplistic artificial model that is probably incorrect.
STOP calling GOD a MADE UP NAME that is BENEATH HIM AND INSULTING in your puny efforts to "understand" HIM! We are NOT called to "understand" GOD as much as to TRUST GOD...MYSTERIES and all. "I AM THAT I AM"!
@gimel77 foreknowledge? Let me guess 🙄 you're a unitarian/oneness or a member of The Way International, right? How can a thought/idea have glory before the world was, if he wasn't present next to the Father?
Your trinity is only found in Revelations 16:13. All apostles baptized in the Name of Jesus. Acts 2:38; Acts 4:12; Acts 10; Acts 19:1-5; Romans 6:3-4. Nobody in the New Testament was EVER baptized in your false titles. Nobody. Further, if you do some research, we do find ONENESS in Ephesians chapter 4. Strongs Reference will refute this false doctrine of trinity (yes, lower caps).
Absolutely cannot believe this guy doesn’t know who Voodie Bauchman and Paul Washer are??????????? That’s like being a country music artist and saying I don’t know who George Strait and Garth Brooks are 😂…
Here are some historical facts. Trinitarians dominate Christianity so much so that they would have you believe that if you are not a Trinitarian, you are not a Christian. This is not true. Historically, Christianity has not always been controlled by the Trinitarians or their Doctrine. There was no defined Trinitarian doctrine for the first three hundred years of the history of the Christian Church. But to listen to Trinitarians, you would think Christ taught His disciples the Trinity, or at the very least God revealed the Doctrine of the Trinity to the church from the beginning. No such teaching or revelation from God was ever given, nor was the Trinity made essential for believers according to the Bible. Yet, according to Trinitarians, the doctrine of the Trinity is considered sacred and fundamental, and most Trinitarians view it as the litmus test for defining who is and is not a Christian. Only ignorance would allow such a thing. The audacity of the Trinitarians to threaten one’s very salvation! James White has publicly stated, “We (Trinitarians) hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine… We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully and completely Christian” (The Forgotten Trinity, pp. 14-15). And yet, no one can understand the Trinity. Scholars have acknowledged this, “The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who has tried to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind; but he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul” (Harold Linsell and Charles Woodbridge, A Handbook of Christian Truth, pp. 51). This Trinitarian Doctrine produces confusion, and this confusion is not from the God of the Bible (1 Corinthians 14:33). Where did this doctrine of the Trinity come from? “The term ‘Trinity’ is not itself found in the Bible. It was first used by Tertullian at the close of the 2nd century but received wide currency and formal elucidation only after the 4th and 5th centuries” (see “Trinity,” New Bible Dictionary, 1996). “Precisely what that doctrine is, or rather precisely how it is to be explained, Trinitarians are not agreed among themselves” (see “Trinitarians,” A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge). Biblically, God never revealed the Doctrine of the Trinity, then how did the church come to accept it? From history, we get the answer, “The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and many controversies…It was not until the 4th century that the distinctness of the three and their unity were brought together in a single orthodox doctrine of one essence and three persons” (The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 11, p. 928, 1985 ed.). “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from Him” (H.G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499, 1920). Over 3 hundred years after Christ, this doctrine of God being Triune took over the church as essential to our salvation! What of all the believers who accepted Christ before the 4th century, but had no idea that belief in the Trinity was a requirement for their salvation? Is the demand by Trinitarians that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation a form of legalism? What is legalism? Have not Trinitarians laid down the law that one must believe in the Trinity to be saved? In Christian theology, "legalism" is a pejorative term applied to the idea that "by doing good works or by obeying the law, a person earns and merits salvation." If men, whether by popular belief or by group or clergy, place a prerequisite, a stipulation, or insist upon a certain belief upon one so that they would receive salvation is this not a form of legalism? Only Christ, by the will of the Father, can place prerequisites, stipulations, and beliefs upon one to receive salvation without falling under “legalism.” Therefore, Christ made no requirement that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation, then it follows that the stipulation that one must believe in the Trinity would be a form of legalism caused by Trinitarians. There is no requirement by Christ that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation. Where did the idea of the Trinity come from since God never revealed the concept of the Trinity? Edward Gibbon, a noted historian, gives this answer, “If paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. The pure Deism of the first Christians…was changed by the Church…into the incomprehensible dogma of the Trinity” (The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, p. xvi, 1883). The Trinity finds its birth in the West according to Pagan Greek philosophy. Were we not warned about this by the apostle Paul, who wrote, “Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ” (Colossians 2:8). Rise up in truth all Christians and throw off this heavy yoke of Trinitarian bondage to a false doctrine never revealed by Christ. It is false that one must believe in the Trinity to be saved. Christ is God because His God and Father gave Him all things, and all things are committed to Him. Christ said, “All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him” (Matthew 11:27).
@@S.R.M. Thanks for your above post. I just read through it. I was late, but better late than never! I've noticed a lot of Christians don't seem to realize how absurdly dogmatic and intolerant they are about Trinitarianism. They treat it as though it's a salvation issue when there's no reason why it would be.
@@lightbeforethetunnel Thank you. Jesus is a counterfeit name. (2 Timothy 4:1-22) I charge you in the presence of God and of the Messiah YAHSHUA, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His Kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, and fulfill your ministry.” (2 Corinthians 10:5) “We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ…” Strong’s Dictionary of Bible Words (Hebrew) Hawah- modernized Hebrew word: havah, means “to be” (Strong’s #1933). “To exist,” (Strong’s #1934). Part of God’s name YAH-a-wah, YAHAWAH means “I AM Everpresent,” revealed to Moses. Hovah- means “Ruin, Mischief, and Calamity,” (Strong’s #1942, #1943). Part of the name Je-hovah, which means “Ruin, Mischief, and Calamity.” Jehovah is a concoction of the Hebrew vowels of the Hebrew word for God, “Eloah” (e-o-a), and these vowels are placed onto the Tetragrammaton YHWH, Anglo-Latinized to JHVH, thus causing the name of JeHoVaH. God never revealed this name: “Jehovah.” The name Jehovah, or Yehovah, is a euphonious name, a counterfeit name, and in the name of God’s Truth must be discarded! YAH - Means “I AM,” as opposed to Jah, due to the Hebrew having no corresponding letter for ‘J’. Therefore Jah is inconsistent with YAH. Halleluyah means “Praise YAH.” The following is incorrect: Jah and Iah. The Hebrew letter Yod corresponds to the English letter “Y.” YAH is correct, as in Halleluyah! Strong's Hebrew: 3050. יָהּ (YAH=I AM) -- the name of the God of Israel: YAH is “the name which is above every name” (Philippians 2:9). Halleluyah means “Praise YAH!” “Behold, God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid; ‘For Yah, the Lord, is my strength and song; He also has become my salvation’” (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV). “Sing to God, sing praises to His name; Extol Him who rides on the clouds, By His name Yah, and rejoice before Him” (Psalm 68:4 NKJV). The Messiah has “the name which is above every name”, which is, “YAH.” YAHSHUA said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). I AM=YAH. YAHSHUA means, “I AM Salvation.” “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). To reject the name YAHSHUA, or disbelieve this name, is to be condemned (John 3:18). Unfortunately, there are few who will find the way, the name, of salvation (Matthew 7:13-14). The priests, pastors, teachers, and evangelists, who preach, and teach, in the counterfeit names of Jehovah, Yehovah, or Jesus, are workers of lawlessness (Matthew 7:21-23; Malachi 2:2). HAYAH - meaning, “the I AM.” To exist, (Strong’s #1961). God answers Moses, “[the I AM] HaYAH [Who] Ashar [the I AM] HaYAH” (Exodus 3:14). God did not say, ‘Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh.’ HAYAH - Has been mistakenly tied to the name Jehovah, the erroneous, euphonious, name: For God (see Strong’s # 1962). Therefore the words ruin, and mischief are false definitions and not related to the definition of HaYAH, however, Jehovah does mean ruin, mischief, and calamity. Jehovah - is a Latinization of the HebrewTetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), this name (Yehovah) is an improper name of the God of Israel and has no place in the Hebrew Scriptures, or any Bible, whether Hebrew, Greek, Latin, or English. The Hebrew letters Yod, Hey, Waw, Hey, (YHWH) the Tetragrammaton יהוה is the name of God in Hebrew and a form of God's name in Christianity with the essential name YAH. YAHAWAH was revealed to Moses and appears in English Bibles as LORD. LORD in all caps is a cover-up for YHWH, a practice by man, and not God. The growing consensus among scholars is that the historical vocalization of the Tetragrammaton at the time of the redaction of the Torah (6th century BCE) is most likely Yahawah. The pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton came to be avoided, being substituted with Adonai ('LORD'). The Hebrew vowel points of Eloah (e-o-a) were added to the Tetragrammaton by Jewish scribes to remind the readers in the synagogues not to attempt to pronounce the name of God but to say, “Adonai,” instead. Thus around the 12th century CE, Roman Catholic clerics, being ignorant of the practice, inaccurately transliterated the Tetragrammaton with these added vowels from another word causing the hybrid name Iehovah. Thus, the derived forms Iehouah, and Iehovah, first appeared in the 12th century. In the 17th century, the name of Jehovah became known, and today has been modified, in some circles, to Yehovah (see Strong’s #3068). Yehovih - (see Strong’s #3069) This is the Tetragrammaton יהוה With the vowels of Elohim (e-o-i), which caused Yehovih. From: Word + Vowels = Modified name for God Adonai + a-o-ai = YaHoWaiH shortened to YAHWEH. Elohim + e-o-i = Yehovih (appears in the Hebrew Scriptures 305x) Eloah + e-o-a = Yehovah (appears in the Hebrew Scriptures over 2,000X) Scholars know that the name Jehovah is considered historically inaccurate as it emerged from combining the Hebrew consonants YHWH and the vowels (e-o-a) of the word Eloah to make the name YeHoVaH. The hybrid name, therefore, does not reflect the divine name as it was used in ancient times or its pronunciation. This presents linguistic differences as The name Jehovah fails to follow the rules of the Hebrew language, which does not have the letter “j.” Therefore, combining “J” and “jeh” to form a word cannot be found in Hebrew, where the divine name originates. YAH is part of the beginning of God’s original name, hence Halleluyah, Praise YAH. Jah, Jeh, Ieh, and Yeh are inconsistencies. Stop using concocted, hybrid, counterfeit names for the LORD!
(1 Timothy 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, The last I checked, a Mediator cannot be part of either party he mediates BETWEEN. Thus, neither could Jesus be God nor the chosen ones among humans. Jesus' words to show that he was never God. (John 8:40) But now you are seeking to kill me, A MAN who has told you the truth that I HEARD FROM GOD. Then again, what would Jesus know about himself. These video charlatans seem to know better.
@Grey : Where did Jesus ever call himself any 'I am'? The Greek is 'ego eimi'. Tons of people used it. It is just a state of being. The discussion was about Jesus' AGE and not his name. (John 8:57) Then the Jews said to him: “You are not yet 50 years old, and still you have seen Abraham?” (John 8:58) Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” (or I existed). (John 8:59) So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid and went out of the temple. Are we to believe that Almighty God who created this energy blasting Universe ran and hid from the Jews????? Come come! Surely!. How about a bit of rational thinking. If someone is a Mediator BETWEEN two parties, he cannot be connected to either party. A Mediator should be a NEUTRAL. Check a dictionary. Jesus cannot be a Mediator between HIMSELF (as God) and HIMSELF (as a man). How would that make any sense? 1 Timothy 2:5 clearly states BETWEEN and that Jesus was a MAN. If someone is BETWEEN two others, what does it mean?
@@boosminogstatus6460: Adam, Enoch, Noah were all there before Abraham. Jesus, however was alive in heaven. He being an angel son of God. John 8:23 'Jesus' went on to say to them: “You are from the realms below; I am from the realms above. You are from this world; I am not from this world.
Read John 17, see how many times he speaks of being one......if we fail to understand God's Word, His Truth, it is often because we overthink and overcomplicate foundational Truth. Sometimes we can question God's Truth because we think we are too smart to fall for nonsense. There is a clear difference between a paradox and a contradiction. The Trinity is a contradiction to those who cannot see through the apparent paradox....
So a rock exists, but it's not a person. Jesus exists and he's a person. God the father exists because he created everything in existence, except Jesus and the Holy Spirit. We can picture God the father as a wise yet stern whitebeard sitting on a cloud. But if the Holy Spirit is a person, how is that? We can't imagine what it looks like, and unlike a rock, it doesn't exist.
@@boosminogstatus6460 It's an interesting idea certainly, like shakti: some sort of invisible energy that we feel sometimes coursing through our body. Like adrenalin. God the Father can be glimpsed in the Old Testament chatting to Lot, and Jesus gets about a bit in the New Testament being seen and so on. But we never see the Holy Ghost: strange. Perhaps the Holy Ghost is an emanation of God - the three-personed God. Like God, he can't be seen or described, just indicated.
Jesus Christ pbuh was never a part of Trinity because Jesus Christ pbuh was a human being Hosea 11: 9, 1 Timothy 2 vs3-5 and Act 2 vs22 and John 20 vs 17, Matthew 23 vs 9-10, Matthew 19:17-18, mark 10:17-18, Luke 18:18-19, John 17 vs3, John 13:16, John 14 vs 28, John 20 vs 17.
The verse shows God never spoke in the Son in the Old Testament. It happened in the New Testament, which means the Son had a beginning. If he had a beginning, he would not be eternal. This is confirmed in Luke 24:39.
@@DP-bx5fgNot so--Daniel 3:25 shows that the person fulfilling the roll as the Son, was present in 606 B.C.! Also read Proverbs 30:4 where Solomon points out that in his day this same person was fulfilling this same roll as Jehovah's Son!
@philjackson5387 You need to reconsider your statement. Your belief that the Son physically appeared in the Old Testament is flawed. You are pointing to a verse that contains the prophecy, prototype, and shadow of the Messiah, which were all fulfilled in the New Testament. However, your understanding of the scripture is influenced by the Trinity teaching rather than the Holy Spirit, which causes you to compromise other scriptures, as you did with Hebrews 1:1-3. It is impossible for the Son to already be present if he was not yet begotten. This means that Paul lied in Hebrews 1:1-3 when he stated that the Father spoke in the Son in the last days and did so in the days of the prophets. You must address this dilemma, and you cannot blame the spirit of the Trinity for putting you in this predicament, you accepted it, without discerning it.
The origins of our behavior need to be explored and pagan habits purged. We are trained to disobey the eternal Covenant by the bulk of Christian pastors, but to be the bride, we need to obey the Commandments. Look into how the CRUX became the symbol of Constantine's new religion, adopted from his Sun worship. It never was used by the first Natsarim followers of Yahusha. Yahusha said, "I am the Vine; you are the Natsarim." (Yn. 15:5) #natsarim
The Trinity is the Father fully God, the Son (Christ) fully God, and the Holy Ghost fully God, however, the Father is not the Son, nor is the Son the Father, and the Spirit is not the Son, nor is the Spirit the Father. They are all distinct from each other. Yet there are not three Gods (elohim), but One God (Eloah). How is it that not one verse in the Bible states: “God is One in three persons”? It is common among Christians who tend to think and believe that the Trinity is established in the Bible, who insist on the belief of the Trinity of three co-equal, co-eternal Persons in the One God is biblical. And yet increasingly, many very well-known Bible Scholars do not think Christ is God in a Trinitarian sense, based on the lack of evidence in the Old and New Testaments. Therefore, many distinguished scholars maintain that the doctrine of the Trinity is not taught anywhere in the Bible. Trinitarians promote two verses, which are Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7, however, these two pillars of Trinitarianism are proven interpolations, that is words that were added to Scripture much later into the original biblical text. While the doctrine of the Trinity is not taught in the New Testament and never revealed by God in the Old Testament, it was first formulated by Christian bishops in the 4th century, that is three hundred years after Christ, and who attempted to understand the relationship between Christ and the Father in three main Church Councils, The Council of Nicaea (325), The Council of Constantinople (381), and The Council of Ephesus (431). Those men who participated in three councils sought to define God on their terms without one thus says the LORD, and not one provable proof text . History does not reveal that the apostles ever knew of the Trinity Doctrine, that is: “The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three gods (elohim), one God (eloah), equally important, the Father is not the Son, and the Son is not the Holy Ghost, therefore, each is a separate Person of the Godhead.” Trinitarians have placed two major interpolations in the New Testament to artificially establish the Trinity. To sum up the findings of historians, H.G. Wells stated, “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from him” (THE OUTLINE OF HISTORY, Vol. 2, p. 499). “Primitive (Apostolic) Christianity did not have an explicit doctrine of the Trinity such as was subsequently elaborated in the creeds of the early (4th century) church” (see “God”, THE NEW INTERNATIONAL DICTIONARY of NEW TESTAMENT THEOLOGY, Vol. 2, 1976, p. 84). First interpolation: 1 John 5:7-8. Modern Biblical scholarship agrees that 1 John 5:7 seen in Latin and Greek texts after the 4th century and found in later translations such as the King James Bible Translation, cannot be found in the oldest Greek and Latin texts. Verse 7 is known as the Johannine Comma, an interpolation, which most scholars agree to be a later addition by a later Trinitarian copyist, also classified as a textual gloss, but not part of the original text. This verse reads: “Because there are three in Heaven that testify - the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit - these three are one.” This verse is absent from the original Aramaic, Syriac, Slavic, early Armenian, Georgian, Ethiopian, and Arabic translations of the Greek New Testament. It is primarily found in later Latin manuscripts, although some Greek, Slavonic, and late Armenian manuscripts contain it. Second Interpolation: Matthew 28:19. States, Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit…” Matthew 28:19 is quoted by Trinitarians as evidence for the Trinity. However, it is an interpolation into the Text. Respected Bible scholars say that the formula was an insertion and that it originally stated: “Go and make disciples of all nations in my name.” Matthew 28:19 is the only verse in the entire New Testament with the “Trinity” formula.” All other verses point to baptism being performed in the Name of Christ alone. Take for example Apostle Peter in Acts, who promoted baptisms in the name of the Lord. See the following verses: Acts 2:38 - “Then Peter said to them, “Repent and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 8:16 - For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Acts 10:48 - So Peter ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus the Messiah. Then they asked him to stay there for several days. If Matthew 28:19 is true and genuine, and Jesus did command His disciples to baptize ”in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,” then why would Peter go against a commandment and baptize only in His name? Well, the answer lies in the Text.
Im always puzzled.. the more the trinitarians attemp to prove Jesus and The Father are the same. ... the more they DISPROVE trinity. Ie 1+1= 2 not three! Further ..take time to look at your own trinity embolem. The father IS NOT jesus, Jesus is not the Father. Even Jerry Springer knows that!! 😅
@@AstariahJWhow are they false teachers? I’m not arguing with you, I am simply interested in what you specifically base your statement on about these two pastors being false teachers. Thank you.
@@chrisinf-11b10 yes anybody that supports apostasy is a false teacher Apostate christianity been teaching lies for centuries Unbiblical teachings they teach is trinity. Hellfire. Immortality of the soul. Rapture. Purgatory. Once saved always saved Etc Plus Christendom worship pagan holidays Christmas Easter holloween The list goes on Christendom adopted paganism
The divine name, represented by the four Hebrew letters YHWH, is usually translated to English as Jehovah or Yahweh (Psalm 83:18). It's an English translation just as "Jesus" is an English translation as well as every personal name in the English Bible (i.e. Jehoshaphat, Jehoram, Jehu, Judah, Joab, etc.) The letter "J" does not exist in Hebrew but it does in English. Psalm 83:18 in the King James Version, probably the most well-known and influential Bible translation in English, says, "That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth."
@@kardiognostesministries8150 Matt 28:19 does not say God is Father, son and spirit. Just counting three doesn't make them one God. And it doesn't refute anything. Jesus is still not a Trinitarian. Jesus has a God, is his God three persons?
@@kardiognostesministries8150 again you avoid my initial point and question. If this were an actual debate you would be losing it. Either way if I even granted your understanding of "name," which name is it? Cause every time you see the apostles baptizing they baptize in Jesus' name. Are you oneness? I suppose not being on this video. So what name are you imposing on that verse? Because in reality name can refer to authority and it makes perfect sense that one is baptized in the authority of God, God's son, and in God's spirit.
@@droptozro The Name is YHWH. I don't care about your initial point and question because it fails to take into account that the singular Name encompasses all three.
Why wasn't Acts 2:38 corrected in the NAB to say ; Peter said to them, Repent & be baptized, every 1 of you, in the name of the Father, & the Son, & the holy Spirit for the forgiveness of your sins; & you will receive the 3rd person of the trinity, the holy Spirit ? How do you teach the trinity when in Galatians you bump heads with Paul when he says in 1:8-9 pg.277 ;But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach (to you) a gospel other than the 1 that we preached to you, let that 1 be accursed! As we have said before, & now I say again, if any 1 preaches to you a gospel other than the 1 that you received, let that 1 be accursed! (NAB) 2nd Peter 1:20-21 pg. 362 n t Know this 1st of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God. The trinity was introduced by Tertullian , here is your if any 1 ! I was baptized Acts 2:38, it's no to late for you
The passage you quote in Galatians is accurate, but baptism isn't the gospel. Paul is saying he preached the Gospel, and they corrupted that Gospel, and there is no other Gospel. Then he explains where he received the Gospel and how he verified the Gospel with James, Peter, and John. Then he tells them what the Gospel is and how they corrupted it (2:15-21). Then he explains how they changed the Gospel (chapter 3). The Gospel isn't "go and be baptized," the Gospel is that we are saved by grace through faith - not works. Galatians is very clear about this.
@@theopneustos3712 What about other scriptures like: Mark 16:16: "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned." Galatians 3:27: "For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ." Romans 6:3-4: "Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life." 1 Peter 3:21: "And this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also-not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ." Even where the Bible says that they believed and were saved, it still shows that they were baptized: Acts 16:30-33: "He then brought them out and asked, 'Sirs, what must I do to be saved?' They replied, 'Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved-you and your household.' Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. At that hour of the night, the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized." Faith is essential but Faith without any action is not enough: James 2:26: For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Because Mt. 28: 19-20 is the formula for Acts 2:38 in the Name “ singular usage here” this is confirmed by Acts 4:12 for there is none other name again singular here. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are titles not names, they are all described in the name Jesus being interpreted Jehovah Savior. Or to say as the Scripture says God our Savior. Hope this helps your understanding. Rev. Roger Clyde Las Vegas,NV
Just a note more. Peter never said be baptized father,son and Holy Spirit. Peter said in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin, ...... KJV. The NSB IS A altered version made to push a false agenda, a further attempt to dilute the word until the truth is lost.
@gimel77 Is rapture a scriptural term? How about theology, monotheism, etc? Are you ok with those? If so, why? You see, we explain things in detail to combat heresy. That's what creeds are for. The Trinity is biblical. If you don't think so, then you don't understand scripture very well at all. It's everywhere
@@Thinking-Biblically Oh, I understand Scripture. You don’t however. For example, you think John 17:5 is talking about two divine persons standing next to each other when the worlds were made. You think Philippians 2 is about an eternal Son becoming a human Son. Etc.
@gimel77 We can talk about how it specifically says the Father sent the Son and how it doesn't say the Father sent Himself, but let's deal with this. Please exegete this passage. Hebrews 10: 5 Therefore when He comes into the world, He says, “YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED SACRIFICE AND OFFERING, BUT YOU HAVE PREPARED A BODY FOR ME" I ask who is the YOU and who is the ME in this passage?
Another question: In relation to 1 Corinthians 11:3 Jesus Christ is subordinate to His Heavenly Father. Who is this so-called 'third person' of the Godhead subordinate to?
There's no subordination spiritually bc that would make the deity of Jesus lesser than the Father. It would lead to HOMOOUSIOS (similar substance) rather than HOMOIOUSIOS (same substance)
@@davidmoorman7062 nope. That's not what happened to us or to Jesus. The Triune God created man from the earth. Jesus always was & is existing before & after the incarnation.
@@JesusPPK- Actually, there *is* subordination spiritually, with Jesus being *spiritually* subordinated to The FATHER as in the verses below; -->1 Corinthians 15:28 ~ *_"And when all things have been subjected to Him (Jesus), then the Son Himself will be made SUBJECT to Him (God-YAHWEH) who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all."_*
Trinity = Tri-unity - expressed in the Bible? Yes, check. There is only one God - expressed in the Bible? Yes, check God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit - expressed in the Bible? Yes, check. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are in unity and operate in harmony? - expressed in the Bible? Yes, check. Doctrine of the Trinity as an explanation of the nature of God? - expressed in the Bible? Yes, check.
Instead of the first 30 minutes of James White rambling, I want to see footage of his cats ripping up his Bibles and him losing his mind screaming at the cats.
Excellent. The trinity is a concept that has never been difficult to understand for me. And, I see it all over the Bible. Most people error in thinking it needs to be a teaching in the Bible to be something we should believe in. The doctrine of the Trinity is simply an explanation of the revelation of the Being and relationship between God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit which most definitely is expressed in the Bible.
However, belief in the Trinity doctrine is not a salvation requirement.
@@VAIO294 That's because it is not taught or revealed in Scripture.
@@gimel77 That's right. It's not. - In GOD’S reality, *Trinitarians and NON-Trinitarians WILL BOTH BE SAVED,* *cleansed of their sins* by the sin-atoning *blood* of Jesus, *IF* they both have repented of their sins and have their faith anchored in Jesus Christ, trusting JESUS to save them based on what He did for us at the cross when He died and paid for our sins.
@@VAIO294 it most certainly is a salvation issue. If Jesus isn’t the second person of the Godhead, we are all without Hope. Only God in flesh could make a propitiation for us.
@@twelve5church- *(Part 1)* - If Jesus was just *an ordinary human,* "we are all without Hope." Yes, I agree. - But I'm *not* saying Jesus is just an ordinary human. - I'm saying, that nowhere in the Bible is a confession of faith in the Trinity doctrine said to be a salvation requirement. -- Even when Jesus asked His disciples WHO they believed He is, Peter gave a simple non-trinitarian answer, as we see in the verses below:
-->Matthew 16:15-17 ~ _“He (Jesus) said to them, _*_‘But who do you say that I am?*’ Simon Peter answered, *‘You are THE CHRIST, the Son of the living God.’_*_ And Jesus said to him, _*_‘BLESSED are you, Simon Barjona,_*_ because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.’”_
1 Peter 4:8 “And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.”
God bless you
When all is said and done, there’s only going to be One Name , one Throne, one Face one God
Excellent
Aha!! Amen and amen about Rasing Canes! Only found in Louisiana as it was founded by an LSU student. I did come across one in Virginia in 2010. Don’t know how much they’ve expanded since then. But we’re proud of our Canes.
I can't believe this very important message has only 500 views!
With only 119 subscribers of the channel. I've shared it to my resource where there close to 3k subscribers, let's see if views here increase.
Because 90% of people I have tried to explain this too get confused. Even those who thought they understood it seems to be off the mark. The problem is that it has no bearing on everyday life. People like James White can't seem to fathom it. He's a intellectual, so the theological intricacies are far more relevant to his biblical approach than to mom and pop sitting in the pew.
I stopped grappling with this issue because the mystical and philosophical aspect of this doctrine interfered with my relationship with God. Hard to explain but my forefathers who was saved at the Battle of Blood River did not pray to a Trinity. And yet, a miracle happened. Same with Vegkop and numerous other incidents where God intervened for us. The Voortrekkers didn't even understand the concept because there was no theologian to explain it to them. When they left the Cape all they had were their Bibles and faith in their simple and personal God. The reformed (strangely enough) church actually cursed them for leaving.
Okay, I'm rambling a bit. But remember, tens of thousands of saved souls never understood the doctrine and many more will not. Some like Bart Erhman that do, turn apostate.
@@snaphaan5049 Well, I think the battle for souls rages on. The JWs need salvation too and this one of the many false beliefs in their camp that is a big roadblock. It is used to create another Jesus thus the necessity of bible scholars to gently explain not only their position but the biblical position as well. I will look the link to Dr. White's teaching on how to witness to JWs, if I can find it. Trinity, if you are to witness to them takes a centre stage.
@@snaphaan5049 th-cam.com/video/Pw6xBm91zMQ/w-d-xo.html
The trinity is a false doctrine that contradicts the clear teaching of the Bible. James White is a false teacher.
That is why it is called as the group of the annointed one or the church of christ
He has a good doctrine that is not explained these days in Christian churches. I, as a Christian who at some point studied with the Jehova Witnesses, was very confused on this subject for many years and only found the explanation of trinity on TH-cam after much study and prayers because many Christian pastors not only don't know how to explain it, but also feel scandalized when a relative new christian is confused about the deity of Christ. My only advice to Dr. White would be to be more direct on his explanation, and not to jump back and forth out of the subject because instead of making my attention on him, it was getting me lost. His explanation (at least for me) required all my attention, and every time he would step out to talk about the sandwich store, Florida, etc, I just got lost. It took me about 6 hours to listen to this video repeatedly in order to undertand some details. It may be a simple speach fir theology, but for people who are not, it's not simple at all. Thank you.
I’m actually an ex Jw elder disassociated for awhile now. The union between the father,son and Holy Spirit can be seen when Jesus is baptized,the fathers voice is heard,a dove comes down as the Holy Spirit and the son Jesus Christ is baptized and there we see all three in union. Jesus is also called Jehovah in revelation chapter 1 and also Jesus is called god in many scriptures including John chapter 20 verse 28 where doubting Thomas calls Jesus my lord and my god meaning he has just become a believer.
If you believe in the trinity, you have been deceived.
RC Sproul has a great concise explanation on his channel. He's no longer living, but his teaching series is excellent & relevant.
@MichaelTheophilus906 do you believe Psalm 102 is speaking to & about the LORD (YHWH)?
@@JesusPPK That is what it says. "Oh, Yahweh, hear my prayer."
If there is only one God and Father who is in us all, and He is a Spirit, and we are all in that one Spirit, and that one Spirit is the one Lord God, where is there another spirit who is distinctly different from Him?
Ephesians 4:6 KJV
*_One God and Father of all,_* who is above all, and through all, *_and in you all._*
1 Corinthians 6:17 KJV
But he that is joined unto the Lord *_is one spirit._*
2 Corinthians 3:17 KJV
*_Now the Lord is that Spirit:_* …
John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son (and) of the HOLY SPIRIT,
John 14:16-17
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.
Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
John 15:26
“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.
God is not nor should He be easily explained. But yet, it's His great desire to make Himself known to us. He is ONE God, yes, but with 3 distinct and separate Persons. This He also explained to Israel in the Old Testament. We see the trinity in how God instructed the building of the temple...ONE temple/tabernacle, but with 3 divisions. ONE Ark of the Covenant, but 3 things on the inside. Noah's ark was ONE vessel but with 3 levels. In the OT God declares "I, the Lord your God is ONE God." When you look that up in the Hebrew, the word "Lord" used there is the plural form. In Genesis 1: 1-3 We read of God, the Spirit of God and the Word of God which speaks and says "Let their be light". Jesus (the Son) IS the Word. In the New Testament, John writes: "In the beginning was the WORD, and the word IS God. Jesus refers to Himself as the Son. And he speaks of His Father, and He speaks of the Holy Spirit whom will come. We don't understand. God is not asking us to "understand", just to KNOW.
@@twelve5church Notice below that Jesus spoke of Himself often “in the third person”, not about a third person being another god. Jesus said “He” is the Spirit of Truth, He is the Comforter (He told us that in John 14:18), He said He is going away and won't be found - except His followers will find Him, and will see Him, because He will manifest Himself to us, and come to live in each believer. These are all clarifying truths of who the Holy Spirit is - it is the Spirit of the Lord, which He gave to Jesus upon His Ascension (Acts 2:33). This is the glory that they shared together for all of eternity - the Spirit of the invisible, immortal Almighty God. Jesus first poured out this promise of the Father (His Holy Spirit), upon believers at Pentecost (Luke 24:49; Acts 1:4). This same “promise of the Father” that Jesus received, and every believer receives, is a portion of the Father's Spirit (Apostle Paul calls it the Father's “SELFSAME” Spirit (1Cor 12:11), meaning no other God, or no other person's Spirit, but only the Spirit belonging to the one being identified as having the Spirit, which is the Father, so there can be no third person god who takes the Spirit away from the Father). The Father divides a portion of His selfsame Spirit among His children, through Christ (Gal 4:6).
(2Cor 3:17) *_Now the Lord is that Spirit:_* ...
(John 14:16) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that *_he may abide with you for ever;_*
(John 14:17) [Even] *)_the Spirit of truth;_* whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: *_but ye know him;_* for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
(John 14:18) I will not leave you comfortless: *_I will come to you._*
(John 14:19) Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; *_but ye see me:_* because I live, ye shall live also.
(John 14:20) At that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, *_and I in you._*
(John 14:21) He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and *_I will love him, and will manifest myself to him._*
(John 14:22) Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
(John 14:23) Jesus answered and said unto him, *_If a man love me,_* he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and *_we will come unto him, and make our abode with him._*
MORE OF JESUS SPEAKING OF HIMSELF IN THE THIRD PERSON:
(John 4:10) Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and *_he would have given thee living water._*
Mark 9:31 For he taught his disciples, ...The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, *_and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day._*
John 3:13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, *_but he that came down from heaven,_* even the Son of man which is in heaven.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; *)but that the world through him might be saved._*
18 *_He that believeth on him is not condemned:_* ...
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; *_so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;_*
John 5: 27 And *_hath given him authority_* to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.”
@@kristenspencer9751 You have taken a presupposition of a 3-person godhead and inserted into Scripture. What is the image of God in His Creation? Mankind, which He named Adam, and Adam is two - the male and female (who become one). Almighty God in the Old Testament is two who are one - Almighty God and the Word. In the New Testament, there are two in the Godhead - the invisible God, who is a Spirit, and Jesus Christ, the Word of God (Who was God in the Old Testament), and Who became a visible man. In both Testaments, God is two who are one, in one Spirit (not two gods who are both spirits, totaling three) but one God, who is one Spirit. If God is three, then His image would have been three, and three who become one. But Jesus never stated He was one with three, and He never prayed that His followers would be one with three of them. The true God is exactly what Apostle John told us in 1John 5:20, the Father and the Son only (and they share the one Spirit, who is the Lord God - Acts 2:33). You will find nowhere in the New Testament Epistles that describes a third person god having God's spirit (1John 5:7 in the King James was “discovered” in the 17th Century, it is not in the original manuscript, and no other translations insert it, because it's not true). No third person ever appears on the throne of God in either Testament, including on the throne of God and the Lamb in the eternal Kingdom. The Father made a Son, He never duplicated Himself, rather He claims there is NONE other than Himself. These are all rather glaring omissions below, even from Jesus Himself, if it is true there is a third god.
(Gen 1:27) *_So God created man_in his [own] image,_* in the image of God created he him; *_male and female created he them._*
(Gen 5:2) *_Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam,_* in the day when they were created.
(John 10:30) *_I and [my] Father are one._*
(John 17:21) *_That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:_* t...
(1John 5:20) And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that *_we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life._*
(1John 1:3) … *_truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ._*
(Rev 22:3) And there shall be no more curse: but *_the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:_*
@@kristenspencer9751Jesus explained God very easily......not hard to understand or mystery. The Father alone is God
That was very helpful. Thank you!
An amazing truth that the gospel is Trinitarian.Thanks Dr White!
@michaeljohncampher4544 You're thanking a man who deceives you that the Father is not the only true God. THINK.
Dr James White is an awesome teacher who teaches the original languages and knows his Bible. We need to remember that if God has not given someone a new heart then the truth of the Trinity will be foolishness to them and they will never understand it. If they are not made alive by the gospel then all you're trying to do is teach a corpse.
The doctrine of the Trinity is believed by Christians to be biblical, and those who believe it cite Matthew 28:18-20, or 1 John 5:7, “And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, ‘All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” These verses are the modern-day rendition identifying an interpolation, and so the question must be asked, “Did Christ in fact speak every word found in these verses?” The first Church Historian Eusebius (quotes Matthew 28:19 as it appeared in the early 4th century, Christ said, “Go and make disciples of all nations in My name” (Matthew 28:19, as it was originally quoted, Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, Penguin Classics, 1965). Note, He never said, “...baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.” Which commandment did the disciples hear? It appears the latter quoted by Eusebius from an original manuscript of the NT, for there is no instance of the disciples ever baptizing anyone “In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost,” according to the New Testament! On baptisms specifically were done in the name of {YAHSHUA}, Martin Luther notes, “The apostles certainly used this formula in baptizing in the name of Christ only, as we read in the Acts of the Apostles,’ citing Acts 2:38; 10:48; and 19:5” (Erik H. Herrmann, Paul W. Robinson, The Annotated Luther, Volume 3: Church and Sacraments. Fortress Press. p. 66, 2016). In a documented sermon, Martin Luther made this astonishing statement, “It is indeed true that the name ‘Trinity’ is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man” (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, 1988, p. 406).
The disciples of Christ, in the first two or more centuries, did not know of any doctrine of the Trinity. Historically, “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from him” (H. G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499, 1920). The so-called Great Commission, as written is an interpolation: "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19, the words in italics were added centuries later). The disciples were to make disciples in His name and they were only baptizing in the name of Christ, as the NT gives evidence.
The formula is mentioned in the Didache (7:1-3), and it is mostly accepted as authentic due to its supporting manuscript evidence (Everett Ferguson, Baptism in the Early Church, 2013, pp. 134-5). Nevertheless, some scholars have held the view that the passage in the Didache is an interpolation as it is absent from the first few centuries of early Christian quotations, in which case it is believed it would be part of an apostolic or early Christian oral tradition from which both the received texts of Matthew and the Didache emerged, however, the conclusion is the church only baptized in the name of Christ. The view of the passage as an interpolation was in recent times maintained, and this particular line of opposing arguments by Trinitarians is pure eisegesis, meaning the process of interpreting a text in such a way as to introduce one's presuppositions, agendas, or biases, that artificially supports the Trinitarian formula, and based on interpolated verses added to the New Testament. Catholics and Protestants would agree with Protestant Theologian James White, who writes, “We hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine…We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully completely Christian” (The Forgotten Trinity, pp. 14-15). And yet most other scholars know that the Trinity is beyond human understanding, “The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who has tried to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind, but he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul” (Harold Lindsell and Charles Woodbridge, A Christian Handbook, pp. 51-52, 1953). Nowhere in the New Testament is believing in the Trinity a prerequisite for one’s salvation. Nowhere in the Bible did the LORD ever reveal Himself as a Trinity, or Triune God. Interpolations exist in the New Testament, which are words added later to prove the Trinity. Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7 are proven interpolations, and therefore not of the original Scriptures. 1 John 5:7 is known as “The Johannine comma,” due to a sequence of extra words in 1 John 5:7-8 which appear in later versions of the Bible, but not in earlier Scriptures. Compare these words below in italics in the KJV and the same verse from the newer ESV.
"For there are three that bear record (witness) in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one" (1 John 5:7-8 KJV).
"For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree" (1 John 5:7-8, ESV).
These extra words are generally absent from the early Greek manuscripts. They only appear in the text in late medieval manuscripts, which were done by Trinitarians to bolster the man-made doctrine of the Trinity. The Trinitarian doctrine only existed since the 4th century! A religion unexamined is not worth having. Besides, most Christians when questioned about the Trinity prove to be Modalists, not Trinitarians (The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). Christians have given examples of the Trinity, and one is the steam, water, and ice, which is not a good example for it only proves modalism. The Trinity is not so much a mystery as it is the doctrine of confusion, and we know that God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33).
- No one has to believe in the Trinity doctrine to be a Christian and have God's salvation. - *Faith in JESUS and faith in His sin-atoning BLOOD is our salvation* - not faith in the Trinity doctrine.
@@VAIO294 The Trinity is the Father fully God, the Son (Christ) fully God, and the Holy Ghost fully God, however, the Father is not the Son, nor is the Son the Father, and the Spirit is not the Son, nor is the Spirit the Father. They are all distinct from each other. Yet there are not three Gods (elohim), but One God (Eloah). How is it that not one verse in the Bible states: “God is One in three persons”?
It is common among Christians who tend to think and believe that the Trinity is established in the Bible, who insist on the belief of the Trinity of three co-equal, co-eternal Persons in the One God is biblical. And yet increasingly, many very well-known Bible Scholars do not think Christ is God in a Trinitarian sense, based on the lack of evidence in the Old and New Testaments. Therefore, many distinguished scholars maintain that the doctrine of the Trinity is not taught anywhere in the Bible. Trinitarians promote two verses, which are Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7, however, these two pillars of Trinitarianism are proven interpolations, that is words that were added to Scripture much later into the original biblical text.
While the doctrine of the Trinity is not taught in the New Testament and never revealed by God in the Old Testament, it was first formulated by Christian bishops in the 4th century, that is three hundred years after Christ, and who attempted to understand the relationship between Christ and the Father in three main Church Councils, The Council of Nicaea (325), The Council of Constantinople (381), and The Council of Ephesus (431). Those men who participated in three councils sought to define God on their terms without one thus says the LORD, and not one provable proof text
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History does not reveal that the apostles ever knew of the Trinity Doctrine, that is: “The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three gods (elohim), one God (eloah), equally important, the Father is not the Son, and the Son is not the Holy Ghost, therefore, each is a separate Person of the Godhead.” Trinitarians have placed two major interpolations in the New Testament to artificially establish the Trinity. To sum up the findings of historians, H.G. Wells stated, “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from him” (THE OUTLINE OF HISTORY, Vol. 2, p. 499).
“Primitive (Apostolic) Christianity did not have an explicit doctrine of the Trinity such as was subsequently elaborated in the creeds of the early (4th century) church” (see “God”, THE NEW INTERNATIONAL DICTIONARY of NEW TESTAMENT THEOLOGY, Vol. 2, 1976, p. 84).
First interpolation: 1 John 5:7-8. Modern Biblical scholarship agrees that 1 John 5:7 seen in Latin and Greek texts after the 4th century and found in later translations such as the King James Bible Translation, cannot be found in the oldest Greek and Latin texts. Verse 7 is known as the Johannine Comma, an interpolation, which most scholars agree to be a later addition by a later Trinitarian copyist, also classified as a textual gloss, but not part of the original text. This verse reads: “Because there are three in Heaven that testify - the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit - these three are one.”
This verse is absent from the original Aramaic, Syriac, Slavic, early Armenian, Georgian, Ethiopian, and Arabic translations of the Greek New Testament. It is primarily found in later Latin manuscripts, although some Greek, Slavonic, and late Armenian manuscripts contain it.
Second Interpolation: Matthew 28:19. States, Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit…” Matthew 28:19 is quoted by Trinitarians as evidence for the Trinity. However, it is an interpolation into the Text. Respected Bible scholars say that the formula was an insertion and that it originally stated: “Go and make disciples of all nations in my name.”
Matthew 28:19 is the only verse in the entire New Testament with the “Trinity” formula.” All other verses point to baptism being performed in the Name of Christ alone. Take for example Apostle Peter in Acts, who promoted baptisms in the name of the Lord. See the following verses:
Acts 2:38 - “Then Peter said to them, “Repent and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:16 - For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 10:48 - So Peter ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus the Messiah. Then they asked him to stay there for several days.
If Matthew 28:19 is true and genuine, and Jesus did command His disciples to baptize ”in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,” then why would Peter go against a commandment and baptize only in His name? Well, the answer lies in the Text.
This is unbiblical and borderline insane to act like Trinitarianism is a salvation issue.
@@lightbeforethetunnel It is time for Christians to throw off the Trinitarian tyranny! The God of the Bible is not Triune!
The Trinity is not the ultimate understanding of who God is but on the other hand, it's our understanding of God in His mysterious operations!
Hence, no Pastor/Preacher/Teacher/Evangelist/Scholar can/will say they have absolute comprehension of the Trinity!
So, it's not our absolute understanding of God but our best understanding of Him!
Thank you for your very well phrased answer. I agree with what you say. We only know in part whilst here on earth ( 1 Cor.13) but despite our limited understanding of the Trinity we know by faith that there is only one Saviour - Jesus Christ and through Him we have eternal life.
Who coined the word trinitas or trinity and who formulated the doctrine of the trinity?
"The doctrine of one God is the oldest doctrine known to man. It's as old as God himself."~Lee Stoneking
@wjdyr6261 Good day. If you look in any Byble which contains a concordance, and look for Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit, you will "see" the Trinity of God. It does not have to be written in explicit words "Trinity" to understand the concept. Jesus says in 1John that He is going to the Father but that He will send another Comforter to be with us forever. How can He go to Himself, and send Himself back? Regards.
@@jskok3280 I asked a question. It has nothing to do with a concordance which are deceptive.
Again, who coined the word trinitas or trinity and who formulated the doctrine of the trinity?
@wjdyr6261 So, according to the Bible verses mentioned in there , those verses when you read it in the Bible itself are all lies! Then you might as well throw the whole New Testament out of the window.
The trinity can be found in John 17 1-26.
Side note, the Holy spirit is omnipresent because it's God's spirit and it's present in all life forms.
@@elnewPC NOT the word trinity. Whatever you see this ideology was made up by men. You can trust men or the word of GOD. take your pick. I will pick the word of GOD.
@@elnewPC JAMES WHITE I USUALLY AGREE BUT THE TRINITY IS NOT BO LIVAL IT IS OF HUMANS AND RIGHT NOW YOU ARE THINKING LIKE A HUMAN. WHO KNOW NOTHING.
@stevemarks9820 ignorance of scriptures and its authority stance is ignorance to Christ.
@stevemarks9820 can you show me where more than 2 verses where Jesus is Michale the arcangel, like you belive? I can show you multiple verses where Jesus sits on God's throne and even in the center of the throne. If you can't show me then you lose. 😇
@@elnewPC What are you talking about . Never would I say thAt. I get on the jw for this . JESUS is not vrated for one thing and He was never an angel His name is the highest in the universe
They must now down to Jesus. I quit the Jw on the spot when they said they did not worship Jesus. JESUS is my life and I love Him more than anyone or anything you are mistaken.
Most beneficial and clearly presented! Thank you, Dr. White!🙏📖
If Dr.White is clear then Jesus is not all, by saying the Father is the only true God. If the Father is the only true God then there cannot be another.
Things are not what they seem. Trinitarians dominate Christianity so much so that they would have you believe that if you are not a Trinitarian, you are not a Christian. This is not true. Historically, Christianity has not always been controlled by the Trinitarians or their Doctrine. There was no defined Trinitarian doctrine for the first three hundred years of the history of the Christian Church. But to listen to Trinitarians, you would think Christ taught His disciples the Trinity, or at the very least God revealed the Doctrine of the Trinity to the church from the beginning. No such teaching or revelation from God was ever given, nor was the Trinity made essential for believers according to the Bible.
Yet, according to Trinitarians, the doctrine of the Trinity is considered sacred and fundamental, and most Trinitarians view it as the litmus test for defining who is and is not a Christian. Only ignorance would allow such a thing. The audacity of the Trinitarians to threaten one’s very salvation! James White has publicly stated, “We (Trinitarians) hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine… We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully and completely Christian” (The Forgotten Trinity, pp. 14-15). And yet, no one can understand the Trinity. Scholars have acknowledged this, “The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who has tried to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind; but he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul” (Harold Linsell and Charles Woodbridge, A Handbook of Christian Truth, pp. 51). This Trinitarian Doctrine produces confusion, and this confusion is not from the God of the Bible (1 Corinthians 14:33).
Where did this doctrine of the Trinity come from? “The term ‘Trinity’ is not itself found in the Bible. It was first used by Tertullian at the close of the 2nd century but received wide currency and formal elucidation only after the 4th and 5th centuries” (see “Trinity,” New Bible Dictionary, 1996). “Precisely what that doctrine is, or rather precisely how it is to be explained, Trinitarians are not agreed among themselves” (see “Trinitarians,” A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge).
Biblically, God never revealed the Doctrine of the Trinity, then how did the church come to accept it? From history, we get the answer, “The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and many controversies…It was not until the 4th century that the distinctness of the three and their unity were brought together in a single orthodox doctrine of one essence and three persons” (The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 11, p. 928, 1985 ed.). “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from Him” (H.G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499, 1920). Over 3 hundred years after Christ, this doctrine of God being Triune took over the church as essential to our salvation! What of all the believers who accepted Christ before the 4th century, but had no idea that belief in the Trinity was a requirement for their salvation?
Is the demand by Trinitarians that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation a form of legalism? What is legalism? Have not Trinitarians laid down the law that one must believe in the Trinity to be saved? In Christian theology, "legalism" is a pejorative term applied to the idea that "by doing good works or by obeying the law, a person earns and merits salvation." If men, whether by popular belief or by group or clergy, place a prerequisite, a stipulation, or insist upon a certain belief upon one so that they would receive salvation is this not a form of legalism? Only Christ, by the will of the Father, can place prerequisites, stipulations, and beliefs upon one to receive salvation without falling under “legalism.” Therefore, Christ made no requirement that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation, then it follows that the stipulation that one must believe in the Trinity would be a form of legalism caused by Trinitarians. There is no requirement by Christ that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation.
Where did the idea of the Trinity come from since God never revealed the concept of the Trinity? Edward Gibbon, a noted historian, gives this answer, “If paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. The pure Deism of the first Christians…was changed by the Church…into the incomprehensible dogma of the Trinity” (The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, p. xvi, 1883). The Trinity finds its birth in the West according to Pagan Greek philosophy. Were we not warned about this by the apostle Paul, who wrote, “Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ” (Colossians 2:8). Rise up in truth all Christians and throw off this heavy yoke of Trinitarian bondage to a false doctrine never revealed by Christ. It is false that one must believe in the Trinity to be saved. Christ is God because His God and Father gave Him all things, and all things are committed to Him. Christ said, “All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him” (Matthew 11:27).
@@S.R.M. Is God omnipresent?
@@rosslewchuk9286 Yes, God the Father is the all and all God, who gave all things to the Son of God YAHSHUA (1 Corinthians 15:20-28).
Omni=all. Because all things were given to the Son, He alone is our God, for His God and Father gave Him all power, all dominion over us until sin and death are no more.
When sin and death are no more, then our Lord God and Savior, the Son of God, by His revealed name YAHSHUA, will turn all things back over to His Father and God, who gave Him all things (Matthew 11:27).
YAH=I AM, as Christ YAHSHUA told the people, that He is YAH, "the I AM" (John 8:58), HaYAH, not ehyeh. YAH=I AM, shua=my help, as in my "salvation." Behold the revealed name of the Savior, "YAHSHUA!" YAHSHUA=I AM Salvation
YAH is "the name which is above every name" (Philippians 2:9-11).
YAH is Christ, and this is why the Savior's name is YAHSHUA, "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).
"Behold, God is my salvation,
I will trust and not be afraid;
‘For YAH, the Lord, is my strength and song;
He also has become my salvation’” (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV).
The traditions of men say, "Jesus," but the revelation of God says, "YAHSHUA!" Since there is no other name by which we must be saved, the names Jesus, Iesus, and Iesous are counterfeit names based on the Transliteration of Yeshua, and the transformations of Iesus and Jesus.
What happens if I reject the very revealed name from heaven, YAHSHUA?
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God" (John 3:18). Believe in the name of YAHSHUA and live! There is only one name by which we must be saved, however, few there be that find it.
YAHSHUA said, “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and [d]difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it" (Matthew 7:13-14).
Many say, "I speak English, so I say, 'Jesus.' And I have seen demons cast out in the name of Jesus, and many wonders. My prayers have been answered in the name of Jesus." And will you stand by a name, Jesus, never revealed by God? Do you not know that God is good to both the good and the bad?
Are you prepared to be told, "I Never Knew You"?
In Matthew 7:21-23, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’"
Many priest and pastors teach the name Jesus, which was never revealed by God, and this makes them workers of lawlessness.
@@S.R.M. Is God omniscient?
_”O people of the Scripture! Do not transgress in your beliefs, nor speak about God but the truth! The Messiah Jesus son of Mary is only God’s messenger, and His Word which He cast into Mary, and a spirit from Him! So believe in God and His messengers, and do not speak of ‘three’ (a trinity); Stop-it is for your own good! God is one sole divinity, who is far above having a son! He owns everything in the heavens and everything on earth. And God is enough to sustain all things on His own!”_ ~ The Qur’an 4:171
Jesus himself told us to pray to the Father, in his name. This is because he is the mediator between God and man.
Do you have a point????
@@jesuschristiskingofkingslo2023 Good grief man, of course theres a point. How can the mediator between God and man .........also be God. The man in the middle cannot be either of the other two. The trinity is not biblical.
Explain John 5: 17-24.
In that explanation, consider the equality of Jesus to God:
1. in His nature (v17)
2. in His works (v19)
3. in His power (v21)
4. in His authority (v22)
5. in His honour (v23)
6. in His truth (v24)
Can you argue He is not God given all those glaring claims from His mouth?
Have you read the Scriptures or just copied and pasted emotions of those who are perishing?
Jesus is God because of his name and Spirit. Not because of his flesh that has the title 'Son'. Mary birthed flesh, not Spirit. And the flesh carries the name of the Father. The proof is in Joh.n 17:11.
@@normanmcdermid1951 if Jesus is not God, then the Apostle John got it wrong? John 1 says the word was God, verse 14 says the Word took on flesh. Did I miss something in grammar class? Is this not Jesus that John is writing about?
The Trinity belongs to Supernatural (revealed) religion, it is therefore a revealed teaching. We can know a truths that can lead is closer to knowing a truth of the mystery through natural religion but it still is, in a sense from Supernatural religion
At least this preacher admits there is an issue with the understanding of the Trinity. Surely the fault is in the teaching though and not in all the believers. Faith in one God should be a simple thing & the teaching of the Trinity is filled with confusion. What most Christians have in common is that we believe in God the Father who empowers us with His Spirit who sent Jesus His son as our messiah and sacrifice for our sins. As soon as we bring in other concepts such as co-equal & 3 persons one being confusion comes in and it doesn't need to be that way.
Did Paul teach the trinity I think not.
Amen
@@MrDragpics no because they already understood the trinity and Paul knew that they already presupposed the trinity so it would have been redundant to explain the trinity in a room full of trinitarians
@@boosminogstatus6460 You do know that All liars will have their place in the Lake of Fire, Second Death, right?
"Hear O Israel, the Lord thy God is One God."--- Jesus
If you see Jesus Christ, you see God. John 14:6-7 AKJVNT
In the New testament, during Jesus's baptism, you got Jesus being baptized , you got the spirit of God descending on him like a dove, you got the father speaking from heaven stating"this is my Son in whom I am well pleased"think about that, that is all three persons of the trinity that are there. God the Father, God the Son, and God the holy Spirit. All three persons of the Godhead present and accounted for. The word Trinity may not be in the Bible, but the idea of it is clearly present throughout scripture.
No one has to believe in the Trinity doctrine to be a Christian and have God's salvation. - Faith in JESUS and faith in His sin-atoning BLOOD is our salvation - not faith in the Trinity doctrine.
@@VAIO294You need to believe in the right Jesus whose father is God and filled and led by God The Holy Spirit. You may not understand the trinity but the right Jesus is essential for salvation. If I believe Jesus is an angel or gay or married to Mary Magdalene then I believe in a made-up Jesus, a fake and I’m not saved.
@@blackcoffee2 - Believing in the Trinity doctrine is not a requirement for a person to have "the right Jesus." - A person can simply believe Jesus is the Son of GOD and place their faith in Him, just as most people confessed in the scriptures. - Belief in the Trinity doctrine is not a salvation requirement.
@@VAIO294 Which Jesus do you believe in? Are you a JW?
@@blackcoffee2- No, I'm not a JW. - I believe in the same Jesus Peter believed in. The CHRIST, the Son of the living God.
-->Matthew 16:15-17 ~ _“He (Jesus) said to them, _*_‘But who do you say that I am?’ Simon Peter answered, You are THE CHRIST, the Son of the living God.’_*_ And Jesus said to him, _*_‘BLESSED are you, Simon Barjona,_*_ because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.’”_
Can someone please explain this?? A fellow who was chosen to be a consultant to our church says this about the Trinity on his web site: "too many to be one; but too one to be many". What the heck does that mean?
It means the doctrine of the trinity is a lie. Jesus clearly taught as does the rest of the Bible that the Father alone is God. Jesus is the son of God.....the Christ or Messiah
It seems like a very bad attempt at explaining the Trinity in a tongue-in-cheek kinda way.
I think he was trying to say, 'Too many [Persons] to be one [Person]; but too one [God] to be many [Gods].’.
JÉSUS LE DIT EN JEANS 4 VERSET 23ET24 LES VRAIS ADORATEURS ADODRERA LE PÈRE CÉLESTE EN ESPRIT ET VÉRITÉ PAR LE CHRIST LE RÉDEMPTEUR et ex ma VUE
@@vaughnmadsen7966 Christ was God in the flesh, the express image of God… the word sent forth…But God in His perfectness showed us that “the Son”, makes himself of no reputation - perfect in every way… because it took a Devine sacrifice, that only God could make to take away our sins. ❤🙏🏼
@soundlycreative if Jesus was God what was the sacrifice? God cannot die. So what happened to Jesus on the cross? Did he die?
If Jehovah God is a TRINITY God, why would He say that He is only one in DEUTERONOMY 6:4; PSALMS 83:18; ISAIAH 43:10-12; ISAIAH 45:5,6???
One Essence....Yaweh is Spirit (John 4:24) Jesus is Yaweh manifest in the Flesh (John 1:14, Matthew 1:20-23, John 10:30-38, John 14:7-11)
“Jehovah…” (Yehovah) It is widely used in many churches. It is considered by many Christians to be hollowed, and many beautiful hymns also endear it, however, this name “Jehovah” is a concoction of man. Therefore, it is a “mongrel,” a “hybrid,” and it is “fantastic,” a fantasy, and it is “monstrous!” There is something very wrong with this euphonious name Jehovah. Therefore, the name of Jehovah was a name never revealed by the LORD. The facts have only to be known to justify this verdict. What are the facts?
Ever since the Babylonian invasion of the Kingdom of Judea, and the enforced diaspora of its noble class in 597 BCE, the Jews have had a strong penchant for hiding the name of the LORD (YHWH) from the Gentiles, thus preventing them from potentially profaning the LORD’s name revealed to Moses (specifically the name of YAH, “HaYAH”, as found in Exodus 3:13-15). YAH is “the name which is above every name.” Readers in the synagogues would inadvertently attempt to pronounce the LORD’s name, as there were no vowels in the Hebrew words within the Hebrew Bible [or known as “The Old Testament”] when coming upon God’s name: YHWH. Later, the Jewish clergy developed the practice, around the 1100s of adding Hebrew vowels created by the Masoretes, to the Tetragrammaton [Gr. word for the four consonant letters of the LORD's name]. The vowels were taken from at least three other Hebrew words, namely, Adonay (meaning Lord, with the vowels of a-o-ai causing the hybrid name YaHoWaiH, or later shortened to YAHWEH), Eloah (meaning God, with the vowels of e-o-a causing YeHoWaH later Jehovah or Yehovah), and Elohim (meaning Gods, with the vowels of e-o-i causing YeHoWiH, as shown in Strong’s Dictionary of Bible Words # 3069). These hybrid names were never meant to form any legitimate name for the LORD but were placed there to remind the readers in the synagogues to say, “Adonay” instead of attempting to pronounce the LORD’s actual name.
How was this euphonious name, Jehovah, propagated?
Later in Medieval times, the Roman Catholic Church was known to raid Jewish synagogues, take their gold, and the Hebrew Scriptures [the Old Testament], and persecute Jews. Raymondus Martini was a 13th century Dominican friar and theologian. He is remembered for his book called “Pugio Fidei” (in the year 1270 CE). Finding the absconded Hebrew Scriptures in the Dominican Library, and believing he had discovered the name of God, he used the name Iehovah (or Iehova) in his book not understanding that these vowels were not original to the LORD’s actual name. The name and pronunciation of “Jehovah,” (and also the name Jesus unknown until the 17th century) were essentially unknown in the years before 1520 CE, when introduced and propagated by Peter, Galatinus (1450-1540), he held the office of penitentiary under pope Leo X. His chief work De Arcanis Catholicae Veritatis, a book, written at the request of the pope, the emperor, and other dignitaries, in the year 1516 CE, as he also used the name Iehovah in his book. The name Iehovah was altered with the addition of the letter J, which was a recent addition to the English alphabet in the 17th century. Galatinus also did not know of the Jewish practice of adding vowels from an entirely different word. He did not know that the vowels found around the Tetragrammaton YeHoWaH were from the Hebrew word Eloah, and if he did, he did not care. Noted Bible scholar J. B. Rotherham, essentially stated, “To give YHWH (Latin: IHVH and later JHVH) the vowels of the word (ELOAH) to remind the Jewish reader to say, ‘Adonay,’ and to be pronounced by the Christians, ‘Jehovah,’ is about as hybrid a combination as it would be to spell the name of Germany with the vowels of Portugal-viz., Gormuna” (The Emphasized Bible, J. B. Rotherham, Kregel Publication, 1994, Pp. 24-25). Jehovah in its present hybrid form has only existed since the 17th century. Fact: The LORD’s essential name is YAH, and Bible scholars have acknowledged YAHWEH (see Strong’s #3050), as in “Praise YAH,” Hebrew: “Halleluyah!” The English “Hallelujah” is a misnomer. YAH is “the name which is above every name” (Philippians 2:9), and YAHSHUA is the only name by which we must be saved (Acts 4:12), and this name is to be known among every language, and tongue, as the essential revealed name of the LORD according to the Gospel (Philippians 2:11), YAH, as in HaYAH (the I AM). The Savior identified His name as “I AM” (YAH, see John 8:58). The prophet Isaiah identified the name of salvation as YAH (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV). And “shua” means “my help”, as in “my salvation.” To reject the revealed name of YAHSHUA, which was given by the angel (Matthew 1:21) is to stand condemned (John 3:18). YAHSHUA is shortened from the name YAHOSHUA, which is commonly spelled Yehoshua largely due to the Jewish practice of hiding the name YAH, by adding vowels to YHWH, the Tetragrammaton, from the Hebrew vowels of Eloah, which caused the false Yeh, as a result, scholars would consider YAHOSHUA a philological impossibility, however, they are mistaken.
What does the name Jehovah mean in Hebrew?
Je-hovah, “hovah” in Hebrew means, “Ruin, Mischief, and Calamity” (see Strong’s #1942, #1943). The Jewish Encyclopedia, states, under the name “Jehovah,” “This name is commonly represented in modern translations by the form Jehovah, which, however, is a philological impossibility” (p. 160). The Jehovah’s Witnesses admittedly make a similar reference that the name Jehovah is inferior, in their book: Let Your Name Be Sanctified (p. 16). Undoubtedly, the name Jehovah is not the revealed name of the LORD! Many Christian clergy know the truth that the name Jehovah is bogus. Still, due to their tradition, or the fact that this name erroneously appears in the King James Version of the Bible, they hold to this euphonious name for the sake of their tradition, which makes void the revelation of God (Mark 7:6-7). The Lord has a warning for them, “And now, O priests (pastors and teachers), this commandment is for you. If you will not hear, and if you will not take it to heart, to give glory to My name,” says the LORD of hosts, “I will send a curse upon you, Yes, I have cursed them already, because you do not take it to heart” (Malachi 2:1-2). Satan is deceiving the whole world (Revelation 12:9). Despite being told the truth of the one name of salvation, YAHSHUA, they will hold to the name Jesus and Jehovah, despite never having been revealed by the LORD. Many will reject the name YAHSHUA leaving only a few, and being of the many despite the admonishment: “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it” (Matthew 7:13-14). The name Jesus was never revealed by the LORD, or an angel of the Lord, and history proves this, as eminent historian Ernest Renan acknowledged that the Savior was never in His lifetime called “Jesus” (The Life of Jesus, p. 90). The name Jesus, in its present form, has only existed since the 17th century.
Many on the path to the wide gate of destruction have sought to justify their faith in the substitute (counterfeit name) of Jesus, for they say, “I have seen wonders in the name of Jesus, and demons cast out in the name of Jesus, however, the Lord YAHSHUA has this to say to them, as given in Matthew 7:21-23, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’” Those who think that demons were cast out as a basis for holding onto a name that God never revealed will find the Lord saying “Depart from Me,” for they are workers of lawlessness! As the apostle Peter said, "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). This means that all these names Jesus, Iesus, Iesous, and all the names that come from these three names are counterfeits! Halleluyah, Praise YAH! Praise YAHSHUA!
@@sandman9390 True YAHSHUA is YAH, but He is not the Father, who is His God and Father. The doctrine of the Trinity is believed by Christians to be biblical, and those who believe it cite Matthew 28:18-20, or 1 John 5:7, “And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, ‘All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” These verses are the modern-day rendition identifying an interpolation, and so the question must be asked, “Did Christ in fact speak every word found in these verses?” The first Church Historian Eusebius (quotes Matthew 28:19 as it appeared in the early 4th century, Christ said, “Go and make disciples of all nations in My name” (Matthew 28:19, as it was originally quoted, Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, Penguin Classics, 1965). Note, He never said, “...baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.” Which commandment did the disciples hear? It appears the latter quoted by Eusebius from an original manuscript of the NT, for there is no instance of the disciples ever baptizing anyone “In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost,” according to the New Testament! On baptisms specifically were done in the name of {YAHSHUA}, Martin Luther notes, “The apostles certainly used this formula in baptizing in the name of Christ only, as we read in the Acts of the Apostles,’ citing Acts 2:38; 10:48; and 19:5” (Erik H. Herrmann, Paul W. Robinson, The Annotated Luther, Volume 3: Church and Sacraments. Fortress Press. p. 66, 2016). In a documented sermon, Martin Luther made this astonishing statement, “It is indeed true that the name ‘Trinity’ is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man” (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, 1988, p. 406).
The disciples of Christ, in the first two or more centuries, did not know of any doctrine of the Trinity. Historically, “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from him” (H. G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499, 1920). The so-called Great Commission, as written is an interpolation: "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19, the words in italics were added centuries later). The disciples were to make disciples in His name and they were only baptizing in the name of Christ, as the NT gives evidence.
The formula is mentioned in the Didache (7:1-3), and it is mostly accepted as authentic due to its supporting manuscript evidence (Everett Ferguson, Baptism in the Early Church, 2013, pp. 134-5). Nevertheless, some scholars have held the view that the passage in the Didache is an interpolation as it is absent from the first few centuries of early Christian quotations, in which case it is believed it would be part of an apostolic or early Christian oral tradition from which both the received texts of Matthew and the Didache emerged, however, the conclusion is the church only baptized in the name of Christ. The view of the passage as an interpolation was in recent times maintained, and this particular line of opposing arguments by Trinitarians is pure eisegesis, meaning the process of interpreting a text in such a way as to introduce one's presuppositions, agendas, or biases, that artificially supports the Trinitarian formula, and based on interpolated verses added to the New Testament. Catholics and Protestants would agree with Protestant Theologian James White, who writes, “We hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine…We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully completely Christian” (The Forgotten Trinity, pp. 14-15). And yet most other scholars know that the Trinity is beyond human understanding, “The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who has tried to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind, but he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul” (Harold Lindsell and Charles Woodbridge, A Christian Handbook, pp. 51-52, 1953). Nowhere in the New Testament is believing in the Trinity a prerequisite for one’s salvation. Nowhere in the Bible did the LORD ever reveal Himself as a Trinity, or Triune God. Interpolations exist in the New Testament, which are words added later to prove the Trinity. Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7 are proven interpolations, and therefore not of the original Scriptures. 1 John 5:7 is known as “The Johannine comma,” due to a sequence of extra words in 1 John 5:7-8 which appear in later versions of the Bible, but not in earlier Scriptures. Compare these words below in italics in the KJV and the same verse from the newer ESV.
"For there are three that bear record (witness) in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one" (1 John 5:7-8 KJV).
"For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree" (1 John 5:7-8, ESV).
These extra words are generally absent from the early Greek manuscripts. They only appear in the text in late medieval manuscripts, which were done by Trinitarians to bolster the man-made doctrine of the Trinity. The Trinitarian doctrine only existed since the 4th century! A religion unexamined is not worth having. Besides, most Christians when questioned about the Trinity prove to be Modalists, not Trinitarians (The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). Christians have given examples of the Trinity, and one is the steam, water, and ice, which is not a good example for it only proves modalism. The Trinity is not so much a mystery as it is the doctrine of confusion, and we know that God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33).
Let me explain.... If you understood the Hebrew translation of what you are saying then you would understand exactly what's going on here. In the prayer the shema the Hebrew prayer it says hero Israel the Lord our God is one but the word used for one in Hebrew there is "ACHAD" which means a compound union. It's the same exact word for one used when a husband and wife get married and it says the two become One flesh the word their used is "ACHAD" as well..... It means a compound Union.... Meaning Father Son and Holy Spirit equal one God
@@BenDeRaps1 One "essence"? Compound unity? That's nonsense.
Hi James, I have a question. Why Jesus called His Father His God. Jesus has a God like us. Can you explain this to me. Thanks
It doesn’t mean that Jesus is not God, it means that The Son, living as man, submitted to God the Father. Jesus was man AND God, and since He is a perfect man, He needed to have perfect submission to God. In order to do that, He would need to acknowledge God in the first place. Hence, the Son acknowledges the Father as God.
@@thatonechristian2487- The Bible does *not* say Jesus'
subordination to God is limited to only while Jesus was in the fleshly body.
Actually, even in His spirit form Jesus is subordinated to The FATHER as in the verses below;
-->1 Corinthians 15:28 ~ *_"And when all things have been subjected to Him (Jesus), then the Son Himself will be made SUBJECT to Him (God-YAHWEH) who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all."_*
-->1 Corinthians 11:3 ~ _“But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; the head of the woman is the man; _*_and THE HEAD of Jesus Christ is GOD.”_*
Also, Jesus Himself said *_"The FATHER is GREATER than I."_* (John 14:28) - Jesus did *not* add any qualifier to that statement such as _"for only as long as I'm in the fleshly body."_
@@thatonechristian2487 Jesus still calls the Father his God in Revelation. And before you say it's just because he's in a mediatorial role, 1 Corinthians 15:28 says the Son will be subject to the Father after the period of mediation is complete. So if the Father is Jesus' God right now, he will still be after 1 Corinthians 15:28 takes place.
@@gimel77 you are purposely ignoring all of the verses let people have quoted explaining how your position is wrong. Like when God the Father calls Christ the son Lord and then says this day I have begotten you..... Begotten not made....
@@BenDeRaps1 “Begotten” refers to a point of origin in a Father. The word “begotten” completely goes against your position.
The book of Revelation settles all Trinity/Oneness debates in the first 5 chapters.
I advise all of you who read this to read those chapters. Do it slowly and meticulously. Study the language used. Especially chapters 1, 4 and 5. The truth is there! Look for how many "persons" John sees. Look for how many thrones there are. Look at who heaven worships. May. God give you revelation!
There are only two: GOD AND THE LAMB (THE LAMB = JESUS THE ANNOINTED SON OF GOD)
@@jjog3185Yes sir! Agree!
Trinity is a teaching of three gods. Either the Father is the only true God, or He is not.
@@DP-bx5fg Yes, ONLY THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD, according to His own Son:
John 17:1-3: "THESE WORDS SPAKE JESUS, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, FATHER, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And THIS IS LIFE ETERNAL, THAT THEY MIGHT KNOW THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
THE ONLY TRUE GOD IS THE FATHER ALONE.
JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
There is no such person as "the Third Person of the Trinity".
TRINITY IS A LIE FROM SATAN.
ONENESS MODALISM IS ANOTHER LIE FROM SATAN.
Rev 1.5-6, Rev 3.12.
The Trinity is a Catholic invention. Though shall have no other Gods before me.
The Lord our God he is one.
Amen. YHVH, The ONE Lord God of Israel. There is no other God than He.
Some see the Trinity in 3 leafed clover, some see it as an egg. Some see it as the forms of water, steam liquid and solid. It depend if you think like Socratise, Plato, Aristotle etc. No one thinks of Trinity when thinking of Jesus
There are no Trinity. That is a post-biblical idea and doctrine that arose in the Catholic Church long after Jesus and the apostles had gone. As history shows us. The 3 Gods pantheon was not fully established before 381 AD as I have come to understand it. In the Catholic Church.
Jesus, and the Apostles, all said that the Father is the only true God. John 17:3 / 1 Corinthians 8:6 Clearly they know the eternal truth.
Ask yourself this question and ponder it, is there any contradiction in God and His word? Was what Jesus and the Apostles said the truth? Or did they not know the truth?
If we cannot receive what Jesus said, and embrace and stand with that, how are we Christian(followers of Christ) ? Aren't that what Christians are supposed to do? To receive what Jesus said and taught.
"Hear O Israel, YHVH our God is one Lord." (Deuteronomy 6:4) And the Israelite Jesus confirmed the eternal truth, Mark 12:29
"And Scripture cannot be set aside." John 10:35
At the Council of Constantinople in AD 381, Theodosius, emperor of the eastern Roman empire, issued a decree in which all his subjects were required to subscribe to a belief in the Trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This edict defined "Christian" orthodoxy and brought to an end a lively and wide-ranging debate about the nature of God; all other interpretations were now declared heretical. ...And so the horrific persecutions began in earnest. What a horror story for the ages.
Thank you for speaking up!
@Grey ....Trinitarians cannot be honest about their own beliefs I have found, again and again and again. They believe in 1 God, consisting of 3 persons, all 3 also being God, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. I know what they teach. You can go do your spin elsewhere it does not work with me.
Right on... Trinitarians dominate Christianity so much so that they would have you believe that if you are not a Trinitarian, you are not a Christian. This is not true. Historically, Christianity has not always been controlled by the Trinitarians or their Doctrine. There was no defined Trinitarian doctrine for the first three hundred years of the history of the Christian Church. But to listen to Trinitarians, you would think Christ taught His disciples the Trinity, or at the very least God revealed the Doctrine of the Trinity to the church from the beginning. No such teaching or revelation from God was ever given, nor was the Trinity made essential for believers according to the Bible.
Yet, according to Trinitarians, the doctrine of the Trinity is considered sacred and fundamental, and most Trinitarians view it as the litmus test for defining who is and is not a Christian. Only ignorance would allow such a thing. The audacity of the Trinitarians to threaten one’s very salvation! James White has publicly stated, “We (Trinitarians) hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine… We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully and completely Christian” (The Forgotten Trinity, pp. 14-15). And yet, no one can understand the Trinity. Scholars have acknowledged this, “The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who has tried to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind; but he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul” (Harold Linsell and Charles Woodbridge, A Handbook of Christian Truth, pp. 51). This Trinitarian Doctrine produces confusion, and this confusion is not from the God of the Bible (1 Corinthians 14:33).
Where did this doctrine of the Trinity come from? “The term ‘Trinity’ is not itself found in the Bible. It was first used by Tertullian at the close of the 2nd century but received wide currency and formal elucidation only after the 4th and 5th centuries” (see “Trinity,” New Bible Dictionary, 1996). “Precisely what that doctrine is, or rather precisely how it is to be explained, Trinitarians are not agreed among themselves” (see “Trinitarians,” A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge).
Biblically, God never revealed the Doctrine of the Trinity, then how did the church come to accept it? From history, we get the answer, “The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and many controversies…It was not until the 4th century that the distinctness of the three and their unity were brought together in a single orthodox doctrine of one essence and three persons” (The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 11, p. 928, 1985 ed.). “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from Him” (H.G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499, 1920). Over 3 hundred years after Christ, this doctrine of God being Triune took over the church as essential to our salvation! What of all the believers who accepted Christ before the 4th century, but had no idea that belief in the Trinity was a requirement for their salvation?
Is the demand by Trinitarians that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation a form of legalism? What is legalism? Have not Trinitarians laid down the law that one must believe in the Trinity to be saved? In Christian theology, "legalism" is a pejorative term applied to the idea that "by doing good works or by obeying the law, a person earns and merits salvation." If men, whether by popular belief or by group or clergy, place a prerequisite, a stipulation, or insist upon a certain belief upon one so that they would receive salvation is this not a form of legalism? Only Christ, by the will of the Father, can place prerequisites, stipulations, and beliefs upon one to receive salvation without falling under “legalism.” Therefore, Christ made no requirement that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation, then it follows that the stipulation that one must believe in the Trinity would be a form of legalism caused by Trinitarians. There is no requirement by Christ that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation.
Where did the idea of the Trinity come from since God never revealed the concept of the Trinity? Edward Gibbon, a noted historian, gives this answer, “If paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. The pure Deism of the first Christians…was changed by the Church…into the incomprehensible dogma of the Trinity” (The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, p. xvi, 1883). The Trinity finds its birth in the West according to Pagan Greek philosophy. Were we not warned about this by the apostle Paul, who wrote, “Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ” (Colossians 2:8). Rise up in truth all Christians and throw off this heavy yoke of Trinitarian bondage to a false doctrine never revealed by Christ. It is false that one must believe in the Trinity to be saved. Christ is God because His God and Father gave Him all things, and all things are committed to Him. Christ said, “All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him” (Matthew 11:27).
If you deny the trinity, then you believe God let the entirely of his church commit the highest form of blasphemy for 2000 years.
Yup mystery Babylon Catholics Mother of harlots and abominations of the earth Protestant daughters. They push this doctrine and God says to come out of her my people and worship the one true God. Not Three. Christ is the mediator between us and God he is the Messiah but not in same authority as the Father
Trintarians are not God's church. Never have been.
That's not hard to do when most people couldn't even read and the RCC dominated control of the Bible for the first 1500 years. If I was the only one who could read the Bible and then teach it to a few hundred each week and they couldn't even read it to challenge me I could have them believing dang near anything. We take our ability to read for granted, it was not normal thoughout most of history.
The trinity is not taught or explained anywhere in the Bible.
True! God is one, Jesus Christ is the son of God & the Holy Spirit is the power of God.
@@masada2828 Amen !
@@masada2828 Nice guy but a false preacher.
THE TRINITY IS BIBICAL DOCTRINE
Doesn't teach God is omnipotent too but he is.
Question: In Acts 10:38 did Our Heavenly Father anoint Jesus with His Spirit or was it another spirit that went about in power doing good works?
Jesus as human had to be bestowed with the HS.
You should always be considering is where did Jesus come from & what he had prior to the incarnation.
Phil 2:4-8 speaks about Jesus having the FORM of God but then taking on A HUMAN FORM. The two verbs "having" & "taking" denotes possession of one innately but putting on another bc he never had it before.
@@JesusPPK That's not to say Jesus wasn't the only Begotten Son of the living God prior to coming to Earth as a man. John 3:16-19, 1 John 2:22-24
@@JesusPPK Acts 10:38 clearly tells us Jesus Christ was given His Father's Spirit.
@davidmoorman7062
You're misunderstanding the text & ignoring other verses. The argument about Jesus is about Homoousios (of similar substance) & Homoiousios (of the same substance).
Phil 2 tells us that Jesus had the form of God and that he took upon the human form. Also, it tells us that when Jesus had the form of god that he did not consider equality with God to be something that was to be grasped.
Here in John 12:41 ESV
"Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory and spoke of him."
We need to ask ourselves who did Isaiah see in Isaiah 6? John is telling us that Isaiah saw the glory of the LORD. He is also telling us that who he saw was Jesus. Jesus is YHWH.
@@JesusPPK Men's terms right? Not Biblical right?
It's cool you bringing up Phil. 2:5-8 but seriously Phil 1:2, 2:11, 13 that slays the Roman Catholic Trinity doctrine/creed.
Who works in you?
Philippians 2:13 KJV
[13] For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
How does Our Heavenly Father accomplish this? By His Holy (set apart, sanctified) Spirit.
I wish he wouldn't waffle so much, but just get on with it.
I think it is called 'stalling for time' simply because he doesn't understand 'the Trinity doctrine' he claims to believe.
The doctrine of the Trinity is believed by Christians to be biblical, and those who believe it cite Matthew 28:18-20, or 1 John 5:7, “And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, ‘All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” These verses are the modern-day rendition identifying an interpolation, and so the question must be asked, “Did Christ in fact speak every word found in these verses?” The first Church Historian Eusebius (quotes Matthew 28:19 as it appeared in the early 4th century, Christ said, “Go and make disciples of all nations in My name” (Matthew 28:19, as it was originally quoted, Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, Penguin Classics, 1965). Note, He never said, “...baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.” Which commandment did the disciples hear? It appears the latter quoted by Eusebius from an original manuscript of the NT, for there is no instance of the disciples ever baptizing anyone “In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost,” according to the New Testament! On baptisms specifically were done in the name of {YAHSHUA}, Martin Luther notes, “The apostles certainly used this formula in baptizing in the name of Christ only, as we read in the Acts of the Apostles,’ citing Acts 2:38; 10:48; and 19:5” (Erik H. Herrmann, Paul W. Robinson, The Annotated Luther, Volume 3: Church and Sacraments. Fortress Press. p. 66, 2016). In a documented sermon, Martin Luther made this astonishing statement, “It is indeed true that the name ‘Trinity’ is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man” (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, 1988, p. 406).
The disciples of Christ, in the first two or more centuries, did not know of any doctrine of the Trinity. Historically, “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from him” (H. G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499, 1920). The so-called Great Commission, as written is an interpolation: "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19, the words in italics were added centuries later). The disciples were to make disciples in His name and they were only baptizing in the name of Christ, as the NT gives evidence.
The formula is mentioned in the Didache (7:1-3), and it is mostly accepted as authentic due to its supporting manuscript evidence (Everett Ferguson, Baptism in the Early Church, 2013, pp. 134-5). Nevertheless, some scholars have held the view that the passage in the Didache is an interpolation as it is absent from the first few centuries of early Christian quotations, in which case it is believed it would be part of an apostolic or early Christian oral tradition from which both the received texts of Matthew and the Didache emerged, however, the conclusion is the church only baptized in the name of Christ. The view of the passage as an interpolation was in recent times maintained, and this particular line of opposing arguments by Trinitarians is pure eisegesis, meaning the process of interpreting a text in such a way as to introduce one's presuppositions, agendas, or biases, that artificially supports the Trinitarian formula, and based on interpolated verses added to the New Testament. Catholics and Protestants would agree with Protestant Theologian James White, who writes, “We hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine…We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully completely Christian” (The Forgotten Trinity, pp. 14-15). And yet most other scholars know that the Trinity is beyond human understanding, “The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who has tried to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind, but he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul” (Harold Lindsell and Charles Woodbridge, A Christian Handbook, pp. 51-52, 1953). Nowhere in the New Testament is believing in the Trinity a prerequisite for one’s salvation. Nowhere in the Bible did the LORD ever reveal Himself as a Trinity, or Triune God. Interpolations exist in the New Testament, which are words added later to prove the Trinity. Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7 are proven interpolations, and therefore not of the original Scriptures. 1 John 5:7 is known as “The Johannine comma,” due to a sequence of extra words in 1 John 5:7-8 which appear in later versions of the Bible, but not in earlier Scriptures. Compare these words below in italics in the KJV and the same verse from the newer ESV.
"For there are three that bear record (witness) in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one" (1 John 5:7-8 KJV).
"For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree" (1 John 5:7-8, ESV).
These extra words are generally absent from the early Greek manuscripts. They only appear in the text in late medieval manuscripts, which were done by Trinitarians to bolster the man-made doctrine of the Trinity. The Trinitarian doctrine only existed since the 4th century! A religion unexamined is not worth having. Besides, most Christians when questioned about the Trinity prove to be Modalists, not Trinitarians (The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). Christians have given examples of the Trinity, and one is the steam, water, and ice, which is not a good example for it only proves modalism. The Trinity is not so much a mystery as it is the doctrine of confusion, and we know that God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33).
That was a very long very insightful post but the fact of the matter is is that God said he would preserve his word down through time and so we have to take into consideration that God is sovereign and if he is sovereign he did not allow the holy scriptures to be so polluted that we would be confused about something as important as who God is So when those verses say that we baptize you in the name of God the Father God the son and God the Holy Spirit you can be sure that is exactly what Christ said otherwise God has failed to do his job and is now a liar and if he is a liar he cannot be God
Not to mention I hate to tell you this but your viewpoint on that whole entire process is garbage.... You yourself have just introduced an incredible amount of agenda and eisogesis and your own presuppositions while complaining that you believe that trinitarians have done the very same thing. The fact of the matter is, the scripture refers to God the Father God the son and God the Holy Spirit and would not do so if there were not such a thing. We have all three members of the Trinity there when Jesus is baptized Jesus is in the water, the father speaks from heaven and said this is my son and whom I am well pleased, and the spirit ascends upon him like a dove now you can choose not to believe that if you want but all of that babble bull hockey you just said about the church and everything else means that God is not capable of preserving the most important doctrine of All in His holy scriptures for believers leaving out nearly the entire last 2000 years of so-called believers on their way to hell for worshiping a false god and if that's how you think God decides he's going to give humanity an opportunity to serve him then you are out of your mind. No sir!!!!
God preserved his word down through time and we have as close to the original manuscripts as we need in order to ensure the salvation of all who read the scriptures and believe the gospel and the fact of the matter is if we were wrong about the Trinity then we would have a different God and the gospel would be useless
@@BenDeRaps1 “For ‘whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved’” (Romans 10:13).
What is “the name which is above every name”?
The answer is given by the prophet Isaiah. “Behold, God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid; ‘For Yah, the Lord, is my strength and song; He also has become my salvation’” (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV). Where did the name YAH come from? First, did you know that the name Jesus has only existed since the 17th century? Therefore, God never revealed the name Jesus, nor did the apostles ever know Him by the name Jesus.
But what of the name YAH? We look to Moses. “Then Moses said to God, ‘Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?’ And God said to Moses, “HaYAH Ashar HaYAH” [meaning: “I AM WHO I AM”]. And He said, ‘Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM {YAH} has sent me to you.’ Moreover, God said to Moses, ‘Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations’” (Exodus 3:13-15). “HaYAH” means “the I AM” YAH is “the name which is above every name.” YAH, I AM, in Hebrew is יָהּ Therefore, it is HaYAH, “The I AM.” Not Ehyeh. Yeh, or Jehovah are false names never revealed by God.
Since the apostles never knew the name Jesus, which was placed by man into the New Testament, and not according to the revelation of God, we need to put back the revealed name of the Savior.
Is this name YAH a part of the Savior’s name? The apostle Paul assures us of “the name which is above every name,” as part of Christ’s name. He testified, “While thus occupied, as I journeyed to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests, at midday, O king, along the road I saw a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, shining around me and those who journeyed with me. And when we all had fallen to the ground, I heard a voice speaking to me and saying in the Hebrew language, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’ So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am YAHSHUA, whom you are persecuting. But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me’” (Acts 26:12-18). Christ told Paul His name in Hebrew. And this is what Paul wrote to the Philippians, “Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him ‘the name which is above every name,’ that at the name of YAHSHUA, every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that YAHSHUA the Christ is LORD, to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2:9-11). Christ, Himself told the people that He is YAH, meaning “I AM.” Our Savior said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM {YAH}.” The expression “I AM”, means YAH. We praise our God and Savior with this expression: “Halleluyah, Praise YAH!”
Shua means “my help,” as in “salvation.” YAHSHUA means, “I AM Salvation.” And the apostle Peter testified, “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” When the Sanhedrin (Jewish Court) heard the name YAHSHUA, as the name YAH is the very name given to Moses, and they recognized the very name YAH, that they sought to hide from the Gentiles, for fear that the Gentiles would profane the name, the Sanhedrin forbid the apostle from preaching in this name, “YAHSHUA” (Acts 4:17-18). However, when the apostles preached in the name of YAHSHUA, the people did not hear it, instead, they heard the name Yeshua (a common name among the Jews at that time), and unless one was part of the Way, the Nazareans, the name YAHSHUA was not well known. Yeshua, an Aramaic name, was a common name in the 1st century.
Those who reject the name YAHSHUA need to take warning, “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God” (John 3:18). Why is this important revealed name, YAHSHUA, not better known? The answer is given by YAHSHUA, He said, “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it” (Matthew 7:13-14). “Few there be who find it.”
The Aramaic name Yeshua was transliterated into Greek and became an entirely different name Iesous. Iesous (ee-sous) transformed into Iesus (ee-sus, as seen in the 1611 KJV Bible). Iesus was later transformed into the name Jesus (gee-sus) when the letter J became officially incorporated into the English Alphabet in the 17th century. According to the testimony of the apostle Peter, "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). No other name, so which is the one name given under heaven by which we must be saved? Yeshua, Iesous, Iesus, or Jesus?
Is the name of salvation based on the revelation of God, or by the changing languages according to the tongues of mankind?
The prophet Isaiah tells us the name of salvation, he says, "Behold, God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid; ‘For Yah, the Lord, is my strength and song; He also has become my salvation’ ” (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV, as found in Hebrew Scriptures Yod-Hey יָהּ). Is YAH the name of Salvation?
Did the Savior identify Himself with the name YAH, which means "I AM."
Christ said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58 NKJV).
Is YAH "the name which is above every name"?
When Moses asked for God's name, did God reveal the name YAH, as in "I AM?"
"Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?” And God said to Moses, "HaYAH Ashar HaYAH" [“I AM WHO I AM”]. And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM {YAH} has sent me to you.’ ” Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations’" (Exodus 3:13-15). Does this make YAH [I AM] "the name which is above every name"?
When the apostle Paul was on the road to Damascus and encountered the Lord, did he hear the Lord give his name in Hebrew, as found in Acts 26:12-18, and so did he hear "the name which is above every name"? Did the apostle Paul hear the name given to Moses, the very name "YAH"?
Is not the revealed name of YAH, "the name which is above every name"?
The apostle Paul wrote this, "Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him 'the name which is above every name'..." (Philippians 2:9).
Therefore, is it not reasonable to see that "YAH" is "the name which is above every name," and that YAH is part of our Savior's revealed name?
Therefore, the apostle Paul would have originally written: "Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him 'the name which is above every name,' that at the name of YAHSHUA, every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that YAHSHUA the Christ is LORD, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:9-11).
Therefore, based on the above, YAHSHUA is the only name by which we must be saved.
What if I do not believe in the name YAHSHUA, and stay with the name Jesus, even though it came to be by the tongue of man, and not by the revelation of God?
Well, “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God" (John 3:18). In answer to your question, according to the New Testament, you will stand condemned...
@@BenDeRaps1 And yet, the apostles did not do what the Savior asked regarding how to baptize. 1 John 5:7 is a proven interpolation. Trinitarians dominate Christianity so much so that they would have you believe that if you are not a Trinitarian, you are not a Christian. This is not true. Historically, Christianity has not always been controlled by the Trinitarians or their Doctrine. There was no defined Trinitarian doctrine for the first three hundred years of the history of the Christian Church. But to listen to Trinitarians, you would think Christ taught His disciples the Trinity, or at the very least God revealed the Doctrine of the Trinity to the church from the beginning. No such teaching or revelation from God was ever given, nor was the Trinity made essential for believers according to the Bible.
Yet, according to Trinitarians, the doctrine of the Trinity is considered sacred and fundamental, and most Trinitarians view it as the litmus test for defining who is and is not a Christian. Only ignorance would allow such a thing. The audacity of the Trinitarians to threaten one’s very salvation! James White has publicly stated, “We (Trinitarians) hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine… We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully and completely Christian” (The Forgotten Trinity, pp. 14-15). And yet, no one can understand the Trinity. Scholars have acknowledged this, “The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who has tried to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind; but he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul” (Harold Linsell and Charles Woodbridge, A Handbook of Christian Truth, pp. 51). This Trinitarian Doctrine produces confusion, and this confusion is not from the God of the Bible (1 Corinthians 14:33).
Where did this doctrine of the Trinity come from? “The term ‘Trinity’ is not itself found in the Bible. It was first used by Tertullian at the close of the 2nd century but received wide currency and formal elucidation only after the 4th and 5th centuries” (see “Trinity,” New Bible Dictionary, 1996). “Precisely what that doctrine is, or rather precisely how it is to be explained, Trinitarians are not agreed among themselves” (see “Trinitarians,” A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge).
Biblically, God never revealed the Doctrine of the Trinity, then how did the church come to accept it? From history, we get the answer, “The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and many controversies…It was not until the 4th century that the distinctness of the three and their unity were brought together in a single orthodox doctrine of one essence and three persons” (The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 11, p. 928, 1985 ed.). “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from Him” (H.G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499, 1920). Over 3 hundred years after Christ, this doctrine of God being Triune took over the church as essential to our salvation! What of all the believers who accepted Christ before the 4th century, but had no idea that belief in the Trinity was a requirement for their salvation?
Is the demand by Trinitarians that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation a form of legalism? What is legalism? Have not Trinitarians laid down the law that one must believe in the Trinity to be saved? In Christian theology, "legalism" is a pejorative term applied to the idea that "by doing good works or by obeying the law, a person earns and merits salvation." If men, whether by popular belief or by group or clergy, place a prerequisite, a stipulation, or insist upon a certain belief upon one so that they would receive salvation is this not a form of legalism? Only Christ, by the will of the Father, can place prerequisites, stipulations, and beliefs upon one to receive salvation without falling under “legalism.” Therefore, Christ made no requirement that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation, then it follows that the stipulation that one must believe in the Trinity would be a form of legalism caused by Trinitarians. There is no requirement by Christ that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation.
Where did the idea of the Trinity come from since God never revealed the concept of the Trinity? Edward Gibbon, a noted historian, gives this answer, “If paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. The pure Deism of the first Christians…was changed by the Church…into the incomprehensible dogma of the Trinity” (The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, p. xvi, 1883). The Trinity finds its birth in the West according to Pagan Greek philosophy. Were we not warned about this by the apostle Paul, who wrote, “Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ” (Colossians 2:8). Rise up in truth all Christians and throw off this heavy yoke of Trinitarian bondage to a false doctrine never revealed by Christ. It is false that one must believe in the Trinity to be saved. Christ is God because His God and Father gave Him all things, and all things are committed to Him. Christ said, “All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him” (Matthew 11:27).
@@S.R.M. your big long goofy post is absolutely false and not a word of it is true. Yes of course the word Trinity was not found in the pages of scripture however Christ spoke of the father and of the paraclete, the Holy Spirit when she spoke to them just before he left and said he was sending the spirit in his place and he mentioned it other places throughout the scriptures as well. Just because something isn't directly spoken of such as the word Trinity does not mean that the doctrine was not taught and all of that garbage you just said for about 2000 words about how the first 300 years it was never mentioned, first of all, I'm sorry were you there for the first 300 years? You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about...... Since we don't have any first century documents except for a timely little leaflet piece of the book of matthew...... Everything else that we have is from the second and third century....
But the fact still remains that Christ spoke of the father and he spoke of the spirit in multiple places and you'll find it in every gospel and you'll find it and all of the Epistles and so for us to assume that it was not spoken of by Christ is just completely ignorant of the facts and just because you don't want to believe in the Trinity yet you want to call yourself a christian, that's up to you.. and of course you're not a Christian if you don't believe in the father son and spirit because they are one God and if you don't believe in God as he is then you're believing in a different God aren't you because you don't believe in the correct God.... You believe in the Jesus as a historical figure but you do not believe in Jesus who is the son who has a father and has a spirit, a triune being that makes up one God which is the God of the Bible the God that we serve..... And that doesn't sit well with you and I really don't give a crap how it sits because it is nevertheless true. I'm not here to cuddle your emotions or make your little feelings feel better I'm here to tell you the truth and if you don't like the truth that's your own problem not mine... You have to be completely ignorant of the facts, by simply turning a blind eye to what the scripture say if you would like to do that that's on you and one day you'll stand before God and you'll answer for that. You don't have to stand before me and answer for anything but to say that the father son and spirit are not found in scripture is just absolutely a false statement and it only takes a 5-year-old reading level to be able to tell that Christ spoke of his father and of the spirit who would come in his place the second paraclete in the Greek.... Jesus even spoke of the spirit to Nicodemus and we know that by textual criticism because the word Spirit and the word wind are the same word in the Greek but when you follow contextual criticism we know that Jesus wasn't talking about the wind because of how he used it in the sentence..... In other words, through contextual criticism we realize he was talking about a person not a thing..... Had he simply been talking about wind he would have described it like you would describe wind not like you would describe a person with a personality.... Anyway I'm not going to continue to have this conversation with you because there are all kinds of fake religions that believe in Jesus they just believe in the Jesus of their own creation not that Jesus of the Bible..... And you are absolutely correct that we trinitarians believe that if you don't believe in the Jesus of the Bible then you believe in a false Jesus and you will not be saved by a false jesus. It's called The Gospel and it's the only way that man can be saved because it's the power of God unto salvation
Dude is a nice person with a big ego.
A super (large) ego😢!
Count the number of times the pronoun "I" James White used referring to himself. That speaks volumes!@@juerbert1
@@narragarrathunder-rider8146 🤔Hmmmm? So, have you ever counted how many times Paul said I?
@@sandman9390 you missed the boat . It’s ok
@@michaelbruce9197 😂🤣thankfully, you are NOT the final authority 😂🤣
In the Old Testament it mentions about God, And Jesus in someway was implied or mentioned.
In the New Testament were concerned that they will be left by themselves after Jesus' ascension. Then Jesus told them that He will send back the Holy Spirit to them.
So my questions are: Why basing on what Jesus said, it brought out the doctrine of Trinity, 5he three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
But why in the Old Testament it did not say that there are two persons?
Another question: Is the Spirit of God in the Old Testament actually the one being referred to by Jesus?
Just because God is the Father and Jesus is the Son and when Jesus comforted His disciples with the promise of the Holy Spirit, or God's Spirit
that brought about the Trinity, the three distinct persons
Do you think the reason why most Christians don’t understand the doctrine of Trinity is because the Bible doesn’t actually teach it? It’s something that has to be taught to you.
Most Christian’s do not study the Bible, it’s recommend as you grow to educate yourself in the Bible
🎯Yup! It's false doctrine like almost all the false doctrine videos on TH-cam. Acts 2:38 saves. Acts 16:30-33; Acts 9:17-18; Mark 16:15-16; John 14:15 AKJVNT
@@boosminogstatus6460 I suppose you're speaking for yourself too? Acts 2:38 saves. AKJVNT
The doctrine of the trinity came from people reading their bibles.
@@bruhmingo
Actually, it didn’t and came from piecing together, scriptures to try to come up with it. And it’s funny how some doctrine that they say is so highly essential comes from trying to ping-pong, back-and-forth between old and New Testament to figure out who Jesus is. However, Jesus directly tells us who he is and the apostles did.
👉And this is eternal life, that they may know YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
John 17:3
👉 ”yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him.“
1 Corinthians 8:6 ASV
👉 ”For there is one God, one mediator also between God and men, himself man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a ransom for all; the testimony to be borne in its own times;“
1 Timothy 2:5-6 ASV
👉 ”There is one body, and one Spirit, even as also ye were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism
”one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all.“
Ephesians 4:5-6
👉He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of MY GOD, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of MY GOD, and the name of the city of MY GOD, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from MY GOD, and mine own new name.
Revelation 3:12 ASV
What one believes is meaningless if is not the truth. The trinity is not the truth. It is a doctrine adapted in 381 AD at the First Council of Constantinople. Jesus is the name of God. When God is seen that is Jesus. Matthew 28:18 Jesus said " All power in heaven and in earth has been given unto Me." Jesus is The Everlasting Father as stated in Isaiah. There is no trinity, just confused people who believe that men can change The Word of God.
Jesus is not God. Jesus is not the Father. Jesus is the son of God, a man. John 8.39-40, Act 2.22, Acts 17.31, etc.
Isaiah 9: 6-7 " For to us a child is given, and the government shall be on His shoulders, And He will becalled , Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, , Prince of Peace." There are several reasons that Jesus condemned the catholic church in Revelation chapter 17. Her daughters are also wrong about Jesus.
Nope! There is NOT 3 gods. There's Only One God, and He is JESUS CHRIST, God in the flesh. The Omnipotent Holy Spirit is the Father. If you see Jesus Christ, you see God. "Hear O Israel, the Lord thy God is One God." -- Jesus Christ. (Mark 12:29-31). (John 1:1-5; John 14:6-7; Rev. 1:8,18).
@grey7987 I did represent their beliefs correctly; they're wrong. There's Only One God. (John 1:1-5; John 4:24; John 14:6-7; Matt. 28:18-20; Rev. 1:8,18; Rev. 22 AKJVNT.
So anyways boss, there is 1 God. God the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit
@@boosminogstatus6460 Do you have a mind, soul, and body? Are you 3 separate people? I don't think so.
@@goodday23456 true, I’m one being with 3 distinct persons. My soul is not my mind is not my body, but I’m one being. One human person(person in this case refers to being).
@@boosminogstatus6460 If you all want to be blind then go on and be blind; you'll all fall into the ditch. That's ridiculous to say your walking around as three persons in one. It's stupid. I don't think I can fix stupid. I'm just shaking my head at nonsense.
I think History bears this out. Trinitarians dominate Christianity so much so that they would have you believe that if you are not a Trinitarian, you are not a Christian. This is not true. Historically, Christianity has not always been controlled by the Trinitarians or their Doctrine. There was no defined Trinitarian doctrine for the first three hundred years of the history of the Christian Church. But to listen to Trinitarians, you would think Christ taught His disciples the Trinity, or at the very least God revealed the Doctrine of the Trinity to the church from the beginning. No such teaching or revelation from God was ever given, nor was the Trinity made essential for believers according to the Bible.
Yet, according to Trinitarians, the doctrine of the Trinity is considered sacred and fundamental, and most Trinitarians view it as the litmus test for defining who is and is not a Christian. Only ignorance would allow such a thing. The audacity of the Trinitarians to threaten one’s very salvation! James White has publicly stated, “We (Trinitarians) hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine… We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully and completely Christian” (The Forgotten Trinity, pp. 14-15). And yet, no one can understand the Trinity. Scholars have acknowledged this, “The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who has tried to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind; but he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul” (Harold Linsell and Charles Woodbridge, A Handbook of Christian Truth, pp. 51). This Trinitarian Doctrine produces confusion, and this confusion is not from the God of the Bible (1 Corinthians 14:33).
Where did this doctrine of the Trinity come from? “The term ‘Trinity’ is not itself found in the Bible. It was first used by Tertullian at the close of the 2nd century but received wide currency and formal elucidation only after the 4th and 5th centuries” (see “Trinity,” New Bible Dictionary, 1996). “Precisely what that doctrine is, or rather precisely how it is to be explained, Trinitarians are not agreed among themselves” (see “Trinitarians,” A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge).
Biblically, God never revealed the Doctrine of the Trinity, then how did the church come to accept it? From history, we get the answer, “The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and many controversies…It was not until the 4th century that the distinctness of the three and their unity were brought together in a single orthodox doctrine of one essence and three persons” (The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 11, p. 928, 1985 ed.). “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from Him” (H.G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499, 1920). Over 3 hundred years after Christ, this doctrine of God being Triune took over the church as essential to our salvation! What of all the believers who accepted Christ before the 4th century, but had no idea that belief in the Trinity was a requirement for their salvation?
Is the demand by Trinitarians that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation a form of legalism? What is legalism? Have not Trinitarians laid down the law that one must believe in the Trinity to be saved? In Christian theology, "legalism" is a pejorative term applied to the idea that "by doing good works or by obeying the law, a person earns and merits salvation." If men, whether by popular belief or by group or clergy, place a prerequisite, a stipulation, or insist upon a certain belief upon one so that they would receive salvation is this not a form of legalism? Only Christ, by the will of the Father, can place prerequisites, stipulations, and beliefs upon one to receive salvation without falling under “legalism.” Therefore, Christ made no requirement that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation, then it follows that the stipulation that one must believe in the Trinity would be a form of legalism caused by Trinitarians. There is no requirement by Christ that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation.
Where did the idea of the Trinity come from since God never revealed the concept of the Trinity? Edward Gibbon, a noted historian, gives this answer, “If paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. The pure Deism of the first Christians…was changed by the Church…into the incomprehensible dogma of the Trinity” (The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, p. xvi, 1883). The Trinity finds its birth in the West according to Pagan Greek philosophy. Were we not warned about this by the apostle Paul, who wrote, “Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ” (Colossians 2:8). Rise up in truth all Christians and throw off this heavy yoke of Trinitarian bondage to a false doctrine never revealed by Christ. It is false that one must believe in the Trinity to be saved. Christ is God because His God and Father gave Him all things, and all things are committed to Him. Christ said, “All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him” (Matthew 11:27).
Most Christians are not passionate about the trinity, because deep down they know its not true. It's historical but not part of the history of the teaching of jesus or the apostles. It's confusing, & no wonder because it doesn't make sense nor is it taught in the bible! The doctrine of the trinity turns people away from belief in Christianity because it is a mystery to the teachers of Christianity, let alone the church goers! Time to get rid of this ridiculous doctrine & find out the truth & power of the word of God in jesus christ the Son of God!
I know a person writing this is someone who believes his god cannot have a son without a consort
@@solidground338 and???
@@pper93 you're worshipping a god I myself is better of.
@@solidground338 I'm not sure what you're saying. However just to put it plainly every child has to have a father & mother, that includes jesus. His Father was God in heaven, his mother was the human Mary chosen by God. His other earthly guardian was Joseph
@pper93 Thank you for exposing the ignorance of your god allah, your imaginary god thought that Jesus is literally/Biological son of God. God is One in essence express Himself as Father Son and Holy Spirit, your imaginary god couldn't comprehend it. Lol🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hi Brethren,
Truth is bitter whilst the Gospel Truth is very bitter to the hypocrites. Now, Moses put on Christ and gained the knowledge of the Oral Torah, which is His Word that Christ Jesus came to deliver but they hated Him and in the end, killed Him too for no fault but exposing the hypocrite by the power of His Word. So, Light came among his own people of the Juda tribe but they loved Darkness to keep carrying on fleecing the people. The Temple Priests knew that Jesus is the Christ, the Heir of the Complex (Parable of the Winepress, the Jerusalem School of Theology) and they planned to kill him to occupy the Temple, which they did by Crucifying Him. This they did to show the characteristics of the Eleven Patriarchs who wanted to kill Joseph for telling the Truth to Father Jacob.
John, the Baptist was an Angel called Prophet Elijah (My god is the demiurge Potter Yahweh), a witness to the Light, a true Rabbi in whose name Christ Jesus had 70 outer circle Labourers, Witnesses, to the True Light = His Word = Oral Torah and they went in pairs to baptise the Jewish men in water in the name of Abraham, making them faithful sons of Abraham and Yahweh as the Samaritans were who with the knowledge of His Word picked up the wounded person in Agape and looked after him with the divine Love “Agape”, which is far greater than the tribal love Eros that Moses created in the wilderness and no more fighting among them called lifting up the Satan snake that caused a rift among them. So, under Agape, we should be international Peace Makers lifting the Cobras among the Nations. But most of the Churches employ Priests as the Councils employ the Policemen in uniform. These hireling Dog-Collared Priests work for Mammon and not God. They are Thieves of the order of Judas Iscariot stealing money from the Church Purse and not working as Tent Makers as St. Paul demonstrated and working for God devoted to delivering the Bitter Life-Giving Gospel Truth Sermons that set people free of Mammon devoted to Mammon-Free God rather than delivering the sugar-coated sermons of falsehoods to please their Masters in Mammon and attract more customers into their Anti-Christ business of prayer and fasting as the Disciples of the blind Jewish Rabbis were promoting and creating spiritually blind people hating Christ Jesus. It is the Gospel Truth that creates Philia Love and Peace in Society whereas the Falsehoods create sectarian riots such as Catholics and Protestants. Jesus had clearly stressed that in God, we have One Fold, the Church of God headed by One Mammon-Free Shepherd Christ Jesus and His Apostle Friends, the Saints. Thus, the Churches asking for donations employ the hireling Dog-Collared Priests spiritually dead in the letters, the old wine as the University Professors are today and they create the sectarian riots. So, please think twice before you donate money to the Churches who’s Priests live lavishly on widow's mites. Calling Jesus a Lord that has spiritually slave Disciples is the sign of the Anti-Christ. In Christ Jesus, we have One Father and we are all Brethren in spirit and not physically. Thus, in the Church of God headed by Christ Jesus, we are all Brethren representing and glorifying our Father in honour of Christ Jesus. That is what Christ Jesus Said, "There is niether male nor female, Jew or Gentile, etc. of the physical secular world but Brethren in our spiritual Celestial World of Sadhu Melchizedek". We are the Predestined Royal Priests of our Mammon-Free Royal King Whose Regime in Agape has no end. The secular kings have commandments whilst our Royal King has none to bind you. The Philia Love in which you Preach the Gospel from the Roof-Tops pleases our Father and He will take you into His Fold where we enjoy Storge Love in which there is neither giving nor taking, the Seventh Husband of the woman whose six husbands died without binding her to the secular world of families as the Sadhus do not have the secular ties. Mary Magdalene was a typical example who was Free of the Seven Demons, the rituals represented by the seven candles of Menorah. Much more in my other videos if you are interested; channel One God One Faith.
I do not pray or fast as Supernatural Father Elohim, Allah, Parbrahm, etc. from Above the natural world that you can see, greater than the one in heaven, demiurge creator of male and female = Potter, Yahweh, Khuda, Brahma, etc. did in the past alienated under the Rabbis, lives in His Temple and I am a Christ, the Royal Priest dishing His Treasure Free-of-charge and not a Christian of the dead letters, Jewish Leaven. My Father is no more alienated like the demiurge Yahweh, Brahma, Khuda, etc. in heaven but Real Elohim, Allah, Parbrahm, etc. and He lives with me in his Temple and teaches me directly to proclaim to the world in honour of our Bridegrooms Christ Jesus and His Second coming Satguru = Christ Nanak Dev Ji of India. I am Christ from Above where Jesus and His Second coming Nanak, the True Vines are Planted by our Father - John 3v11. Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have perceived through logical reasoning that Brew “Logo = His Word” but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12 I have spoken to you of earthly things such as a Jew is one who is “inwardly - spiritual” and not outwardly in Abraham otherwise the people of Ishmael would be Jew as well - not a single Jew died in the Holocaust but the tribal people misled by their blind guides, the Rabbis and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of ABOVE heavenly things? And Nanak, the second coming of Jesus is and not below people reading the Scriptures and vomiting them out called Christians and Sikhs of beard and turban of appearances and not of heart. Thus, Christs =Satgurus are known to the Christs = Satgurus of the holy spirit, which is common sense called Surti in Hindi and not to the Christians of the Bible = Milk for the once-born babies, the Disciples that are disciplined by the Rabbi. This is what Jesus told the Pharisees and Sadducees who asked His Labourers, "Why don't you pray and fast as the Disciples, the once-born that were disciplined by teaching the moral laws of Moses, of John, the Baptist, an Angel Prophet Elijah that works for the demiurge creator of male and female John, the Baptist, Rabbis, etc. do?" To this our Anointed Elder Brother and Bridegroom Christ Jesus replied "They will do so when Christ, son of God Elohim, Allah, Parbrahm, etc. and of our Mother Holy Spirit, is gone from their hearts and they have become Christians of the dead Scriptures worse than these Rabbis - Matt 12v43-45, then they will pray and fast". Jesus by His Sacrifice as the innocent Lamb of God of Righteousness got rid of the Middle Men, the Rabbis, Pharisees, Pope, Dog-Collared Priests, etc. These hirelings in the Churches steal money from the Church Purse as their salaries and for working for Mammon and not God, they teach you the dead letters of the Scriptures which they had learnt from the Universities and Colleges to get the Licence that binds you in the dead letters as did the slave to the High Priest Rabbis. Their customers are so dead that they still think our Father God is still in heaven alienated and not within us the Temples of God. Such Christians become great blasphemers in their workplaces doing injustices and killing people as Tony Blair and Bush did Saddam Hussein that he had WMD but none were found by a Major General who is running a Ministry in the name of Christ Jesus. He won't proclaim from the Rooftop that Tony Blair and Bush, the War Criminals, were Blasphemers against the Holy Spirit worse than the temple priests who killed our anointed Elder Brother Christ Jesus. Blasphemy is not forgivable and this righteous man of God will PUNISH them soon. So, wake up and use your common sense to know the Gospel Truth and proclaim it from the Rooftops. In Agape, I will make a TH-cam video to glorify God in honour of my Elder Brother Christ Jesus and His second coming Christ Nanak. God blesses people according to their hearts; righteous or unrighteous.
Christ Jesus said that if someone misleads a child-like innocent person, then a millstone is tied around his neck and he should be drowned in the deep sea. Now, the USA, the U.K. and other western countries destroyed the homes of people in Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, Syria, etc. on false accusations such as the WMD in Iraq but none were found. This is called hypocrisy/Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and it is not forgivable. Such calamities are expected for people to repay for their atrocities. th-cam.com/video/lbqLQZN_hsQ/w-d-xo.html
Moses gave us the written Torah, the oral Torah is what was used to reject Messiah. That’s why Jesus said search the scriptures for it is they that speak of me. Except for Isaiah 53 had they gone to the written Torah they would have found him there, but none the less the words of the prophet had to be for filled.
Rev. Roger Clyde
Las Vegas, NV
Ignore the first commandment, so Jesus can be made into god? Without, the trinity, Jesus cannot be god. So the trinity has to be invented. How convenient!!!
Actually Jesus is a god. It means mighty being (cf Psalms 82:1,6). Jesus was an angel before changing into human form (Philippians 2:7).
However, Jesus is NEVER ALMIGHTY GOD.
That is why Jesus commanded that DISCIPLES be made.
(John 13:35) By this all will know that you are my disciples-if you have love among yourselves.”
The Trinity was a fulfillment of this prophecy.
(Acts 20:30) and from AMONG YOU yourselves men will rise and SPEAK TWISTED THINGS to draw away the disciples after themselves.
@@tongakhan230 So ignore the first commandment with all these verses?
@@yeshuagl6282 : What is the First Commandment one is referring to. Please!
No YESHUA is I AM Who I AM YESHUA Is The Father And The Son And The Holy Spirit YESHUA IS Almighty YAHWEH ELOHIM GOD In The Flesh Thank You Pastor And Evangelist Brian Newton
@@PastorBrianShaneNewton45 : Is this about a schizophrenic?
'No man has SEEN God AT ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12,20. Wasn't Jesus SEEN?
Dr. James White offers "The three foundations," which are presuppositions.
There are other alternatives
The Biblical Foundation of The Centrality of Christ as God.
Foundation One: Monolatrism "God is the God of gods..." (Deuteronomy 10:17).
Foundation Two: All things have been given to the Son of God from His God and Father. And He alone is our Rock (Isaiah 44:6-8; 1 Corinthians 10:1-4).
Foundation Three: "You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’
for My Father is greater than I" (John 14:28).
The Bible says that Jesus is the son of God, not God the son, and not God the Father, The son of God! There's plenty of evidence that the doctrine of the trinity is pagan
Yes he’s the Son of God but he’s of the same nature as the Father. Just because the exact phraseology God the Son doesn’t appear in scripture, it doesn’t disprove it.
@dualtags4486 the same nature? What nature is that??
@@franciscogutierrez3095 Gods divine nature. I’m my father’s son. I’m not less human. Plus the trinity is in the Old Testament.
@dualtags4486 but the Bible says that Jesus was a man, now what? So he's also got your nature, but furthermore, the Bible does day that Jesus is inferior than God, so the same nature as you call it doesn't mean he's the almighty
@@franciscogutierrez3095 ofc Jesus is a man. I don’t contest that, but he’s more than just a man. How come in Mark 1:1-4, mark quotes two Old Testament prophecies of Yahweh and applies them to Jesus. Also Jesus is never said to be ontologically inferior to the Father, he’s only lower than him because he took on the status of a human servant (Philippians 2:5-8). He’s positionally lower, not ontologically.
With this video I learned..
Against Oneness.. saying the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost is One God..
If One then The Father was Also Crucified even the Holy Spirit.. make sense.. there is ONE GOD, The Father, His Word, And His Spirit..
Genesis 1:26
[26]Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
The Father came in the form of flesh and the flesh was crucified and not the spirit. The Father Himself is that Spirit and that Spirit is the Holy Spirit.
@@Just_in_Rich I'm disagree that the Father Himself was took the Human flesh... It is His Son his Word who took the Human Flesh.. if The Christ is the The Father Himself it's problematic theology when The Father said to Christ 'This is My Son'
For God so loved the world that HE SENT HIS ONLY SON'... Therefore I believed that there is the Father, and the Son is the 👉EXACT IMAGE of the Father..
@@nicoleela2617 Is the Spirit of God the Father different and distinct from the Spirit of Jesus, the Son? How many mighty God do we have? How many Everlasting Fathers do we have? Who is Isa 9: 6 prophesied about - God or the Son? To understand, we need to understand what God is. We cannot understand Him like humans. If we call them all distinct persons, then we are saying that all three have/are distinct spirits.
@@Just_in_Rich Isaiah spoke about the Son... He shall be 👉 'called' . The Everlasting Father.. for He is the Image of the Everlasting Father..
'IMAGE of the Father' there's distinction between the Image and the Origin of the Image itself.. Trinity believed in ONE GOD..
The Father', His Word, His Spirit.
The Father' Sent His Son, His Word who made Flesh, it is not the Father' who took the form of a servant..
@@nicoleela2617 Do you mean to say that because He is just the "IMAGE of the Father" He is not THE Father? Isa 54:5 also uses the word "called". Does that mean that God is the image of another God? There is only one "EVERLASTING" Father and there is only one "MIGHTY GOD". No one BECOMES a mighty God and then He is called so. The definition of God itself proves the eternal quality of the Being. So, neither this Godhood can be passed on to someone else nor can the title be earned. Jesus is the essence of the Father and hence the expressed image of the Father. By Him ALL things were made. He is the Creator. Anything that is not God is created by Him, whether seen or unseen and there is just One God. If you believe that these are 3 distinct persons and are equal with God then are there 3 distinct Gods? You don't find it anywhere in the scriptures. Either you have to believe that Jesus is a lesser God or He is God or there are more than one God, in that case. You cannot say there is only one God and then say there are three distinct persons, which itself defeats the claim of oneness.
When the scriptures say the "Word was God", does it mean the same God the Father or a different God?
We cannot understand the three - Father, Son and the Holy Spirit but to the best of my knowledge, the closest illustration I can give you is the river. River is God, water is the Son and the force of it is the Holy Spirit. When I say 'river' then I surely include water and the power with which it flows.
The trinity is a lie.
Coming from someone who's ignorant
Amen
The Trinity is simple. The scriptures have to be twisted, taken out of context, word matching used to convince people.
(John 8:40) But now you are seeking to kill me (ie. Jesus), A MAN who has told you the truth that I HEARD FROM GOD.
Then again, what would Jesus know about himself.
@tongakhan230 is only a fool will pick up a sentence in a book and decide to establish doctrine while the beginning of that book has already told you whom that person really is.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.
@@tongakhan230 Trinity folks don’t want to hear what Jesus said. Great post !
I am amazed with the ad hominen comments in this section. You all should have respect for a fellow human. That being said, i have to remind some of you that all you critics here would not last 5 minutes in a debate with Dr. White, wich have as of now, done more than 180 debates with some of the most prominent debaters in the world, from various denominations and religions of the world.
God bless you Dr.White, and thank you for clarifying this very important doctrine for us.
His doctrine of God is wrong. The trinity is pagan and man-made doctrine. The doctrine of demons
You are honoring a man who deceived you into believing that the Father is not the only true God and made Jesus a liar in John 17:3, by claiming that there are two other persons that are not the Father and are also GODS. As you already know, the Father is not 3 persons, but God is. It is clear from John 17:3 that Jesus didn't teach this, and Paul confirmed it in 1 Corinthians 8:6. It's time to acknowledge and accept the truth.
Dr. White is a very confused man. Pray for him to find the truth.
The trinity is NOT taught in OT Scripture nor was it taught by Messiah, nor was it taught by the Apostles. Tertullian who was a stoic philosopher before turning to christianity introduced the false doctrine of the trinity and was not excepted by the church until the late 300's.
Lot more to it then that but your right on.
@@rogerclyde2720 let's hear it brother .....
Psalm 110:1
The LORD says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”
Matthew 22:41-45
Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question: “What do you think about the Christ, whose son is He?” They said to Him, “The son of David.” He said to them, “Then how does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying, ‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Until I put Your enemies beneath Your feet”’? If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his son?”
.....there are many references to The Father, The Son & The Holy Spirit in the New Testament though!...and that Jesus IS GOD.❤️✝️
@@sandman9390 does the Set Apart Breath come from the Father only, or does the Set Apart Breath come from both Father and the Son ?
Isaiah 6:8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" Then I said, "Here am I. Send me"
Isaiah 54:5 For your Maker is your husband, the LORD of hosts is his name; the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer, the God of the whole earth he is called...
The word translated, "Maker" is plural in Hebrew..which is a second Hebrew word that is plural that is used of God.
Isaiah 48:16-17 Come near me and listen to this: "From the first announcement I have not spoken in secret; at the time it happens, I am there. "And now the Sovereign LORD has sent me, with his Spirit. This is what the LORD says - your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: "I am the LORD your God, who teaches you what is best for you, who directs you in the way you should go....anyone who studies Isaiah knows that it is prophecy about Christ. In this scripture we should recognize this is God the Son speaking.
What difference does it make What Tertullian was before his conversion? Moses was a murderer....Paul persecuted Christians, we were all confused & sinners before conversion.
Ignatius lived 30-107 a.d. and wrote the following:
“Study, therefore, to be established in the doctrines of the Lord and the apostles, that so all things, whatsoever ye do, may prosper both in the flesh and spirit; in faith and love; in the Son, and in the Father, and in the Spirit. . . . Be ye subject to the bishop, and to one another, as Jesus Christ to the Father, according to the flesh, and the apostles to Christ, and to the Father, and to the Spirit.”
Although he viewed God the Father as "the one true God" he also wrote,(whoever) “declares that there is but one God, only so as to take away the divinity of Christ, is a devil.”....and also he recorded, "“To the church . . . elected through the true passion by the will of the Father, and Jesus Christ our God.” “For our God, Jesus Christ was, according to appointment of God conceived in the womb of Mary . . . God Himself being manifested in human form for the renewal of eternal life.”
So, to say that the doctrine(teaching) of the "Trinity" was not around until the 300's is simply not true...it would be fair to say that the word "Trinity" or "Triune" may not have been recorded, but it was certainly understood.
Justin Martyr & Irenaeus also wrote on the deity of Christ & The Holy Spirit.
Why would Jesus say :
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (Mt. 28:19) instead of just YHWH???🤔
Does anybody know if these guys get paid for debates?
The doctrine of the trinity is a lie. God is not that mysterious. He is indivisibly One.
The doctrine of the trinity is biblical
You are a heretic, repent and trust in the LORD Jesus Christ 🙏✝️
THE TRINITY IS THROUGHOUT THE BIBLE:
*All three persons of the Trinity were present at the conception, The FATHER, the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT* :
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, *The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee*, AND *the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee*: therefore ALSO *that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God*.
*And at the creation of man*:
Gen 1:26 And God said, *Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness*: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. ( plural)
Gen 1:27 *So God created man in HIS own image*, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (yet singular) (one God, three personages)
1Jo 5:7 For there are THREE that bear record in heaven, *the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost*: and *these THREE ARE ONE*.
Joh 1:1 *In the beginning was the Word*, and the Word was with God, *and the Word was God*.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Joh 1:14 And *the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us*, (and *we beheld his glory*, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 *For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the GODHEAD bodily*.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy *great is the mystery of godliness*: *God was manifest in the flesh*, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, *preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory*.
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
“GLORIFY ME WITH THINE OWN SELF” (MEANING TOGETHER AS THEY WERE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS (IN THE BEGINNING)
A PLURAL AND SINGULAR GOD:
Gen 1:26 And God said, *Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness*: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. ( plural)
Gen 1:27 *So God created man in HIS own image*, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (yet singular) (one God, three personages)
Joh 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
Joh 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
HE GOES TO THE CROSS TO SANCTIFY TO US THROUGH HIM.
Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
HE IS REFERRING TO THE INDWELLING OF GOD THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT (THIRD PERSON OF THE TRINITY) WHO IS THE SPIRIT OF BOTH JESUS AND GOD AS THEY ARE ALL ONE.
1Jo 5:7 For there are THREE that bear record in heaven, *the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost*: and *these THREE ARE ONE*.
ROM 8:9 BUT YE ARE NOT IN THE FLESH, BUT IN THE SPIRIT, IF SO BE THAT THE *SPIRIT OF GOD* DWELL IN YOU. NOW IF ANY MAN HAVE NOT THE *SPIRIT OF CHRIST*, HE IS NONE OF HIS.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
THE GLORY JESUS IS GIVEN TO US IS THE INDWELLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. JESUS HAS SHARED THE TRUTH OF GOD AND IS SANCTIFYING US BY HIS BLOOD SO THAT WE CAN RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT MAKING US ONE WITH THE FATHER AND THE SON.
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 *I will not leave you comfortless*: *I will come to you.*
THE COMFORTER PROMISED IS THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD, THE FATHER AND JESUS (THIRD PERSON OF THE TRINITY)
Joh 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, *and will manifest myself to him*.
(THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT)
THE GLORY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT:
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the *children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away*:
2Co 3:8 *How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious*?
2Co 3:9 *For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory*.
2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, *by reason of the glory that excelleth*.
2Co 3:11 *For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious*.
2Co 3:12 *Seeing then that we have such hope*, we use great plainness of speech:
2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; *which vail is done away in Christ*.
2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2Co 3:16 *Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away*.
2Co 3:17 *Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty*.
2Co 3:18 *But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord*.
THE GLORY OF GOD’S SPIRIT FILLED THE TABERNACLE:
Exo 40:34 Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and the *glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle*.
Exo 40:35 And *Moses was not able to enter into the tent of the congregation, because the cloud abode thereon, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle*.
1Co 3:16 *Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you*?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; *for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are*.
John 5:37
Thats blasphemy what your saying. Just like the Pharisees. Don't Believe Jesus is the Messiah. God the Father , Jesus is God. Holy Spirit that is the Holy Trinity 3 in 1
1 hour mark for JW
Some see the Trinity in passages like Isaiah 63, Exodus 33, and partly in the Sodom, Exodus,
I don’t understand why “all authority has been given to Jesus in heaven and on earth” shows He is God. Wouldn’t God HAVE authority? Why would it need to be given to Him by another person of the Godhead? (the Father) . Can someone help me on this ?
Exactly. The Trinity doctrine is *not* accurate.
@@vettelover695 of course I can help you with it.... The scripture say that when Jesus became flesh.... He made himself lower than the angels.... And he set aside his authority..... He gave his authority back to the father..... And the father gave it back to him after he completed his work.... Remember Jesus was God but he was clothed in human flesh and as such he had limitations. It wasn't that his deity was taken away but rather that humanity was added to him..... Now if you're asking me to explain exactly how that worked LOL, find me anyone who can exactly explain God.....
But that is what this particular verse means and the loud mouth in the comment below is never going to see that unless the Holy Spirit reveals it to him because the bottom line is, he hates Christ the son and because of that he will perish in his sins
bro, he literally came down as a man to be the perfect example for us in how to follow and do the will of the Father. He basically capped his power level for a bit till he was resurrected.
John 17:5
And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I HAD with YOU BEFORE the world existed.
@@bobbyjoe373 I love that verse. It does still stir in me the question Does being with God make Jesus God? In other words, could it be that He was always the Son?
John : 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Jesus Is Equal with God
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath,
but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
The Authority of the Son
Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do:
for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Joh 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Joh 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Philippians 2: 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Colossians 1:15-20 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and
that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead;
that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross,
by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
The Rider on a White Horse Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True,
and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written,
that no man knew, but he himself. Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
In John 1:1, the Greek word _theos_ (“god”) appears twice, but there’s a key grammatical difference between them. The first _theos_ has the definite article ho (“the”) before it, which points to a specific identity-in this case, Almighty God. The second _theos,_ referring to the Word, doesn’t have that definite article, making it indefinite. So, without the article, _theos_ is describing a characteristic or quality of the Word, not saying the Word is Almighty God. This shows that the Word is “divine,” “a god,” or “god-like,” but not the same as _ho theos_ (“the God”). Also, John 1:1 says “the Word was with God.” If the Word was _with_ God, then the Word can’t be God at the same time.
The New American Standard Bible translates Philippians 2:6 this way: "did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped". The English Standard Version renders it: "did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped," and the Good News Bible says, "he did not think that by force he should try to become equal with God." The Greek noun "harpagmos" in Philippians 2:6 comes from the verb "harpazo", which means to "seize hastily", "carry off", "overpower". It means taking or seizing something that does not belong to you. While in heaven before becoming a man, Jesus never considered usurping God's authority thus becoming equal to him. Jesus set an example for us by being humble and obedient to God. How could Jesus be equal with God since Philippians 2:9 says that after his resurrection, “God also hath highly exalted him”? The ultimate purpose for Jesus being exalted is to bring glory to God the Father. (Philippians 2:11)
Colossians 1:15 and 16 says that by means of the Son, the firstborn of every creature, all things were created. When it says "all things", does that mean Jesus is God because nothing existed before Jesus? No. Verse 16 says that all things were created _by_ Jesus Christ, or _through_ Jesus Christ. When it says "all things were created by him", it is understood that this does not include God himself. Paul said something similar in 1 Corinthians 15:27, 28. There it states that God put all things under Jesus' feet. Paul clarifies in verse 27: "But when he says all things have been subjected, it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him." It is clear from these verses that Jesus is not Almighty God himself.
@@jollyrancher521 I think you said the same thing I did but dug a little deeper.
The Word Became Flesh
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:1 InG1722 the beginningG746 wasG2258 theG3588 Word,G3056 andG2532 theG3588 WordG3056 wasG2258 withG4314 God,G2316 andG2532 theG3588 WordG3056 wasG2258 God.G2316
G3056
- λόγος / logos / log'-os
From G3004; something said (including the thought); by implication a topic (subject of discourse), also reasoning (the mental faculty) or motive; by extension a computation; specifically (with the article in John) the Divine Expression (that is, Christ): - account, cause, communication, X concerning, doctrine, fame, X have to do, intent, matter, mouth, preaching, question, reason, + reckon, remove, say (-ing), shew, X speaker, speech, talk, thing, + none of these things move me, tidings, treatise, utterance, word, work.
Total KJV occurrences: 330
G2316
θεός / theos / theh'-os
Of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with G3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively a magistrate; by Hebraism very: - X exceeding, God, god [-ly, -ward].
Total KJV occurrences: 1343
The Creation of the World
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:1 In the beginningH7225 GodH430 createdH1254 (H853) the heavenH8064 and the earth.H776
H430
אֱלֹהִים / 'ĕlôhı̂ym / el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Total KJV occurrences: 2601
I use e-Sword Bible program for the Syrongs numbers.
Trinity is false doctrine/philosophy. How can you say Jesus is fully God and fully man, but claim that he's not the father?? That would make Jesus partially God.
@@Mike34006 you're using your human intellect to try to understand.... You are a finite being trying to understand an infinite God with your finite. Intellect..... If God is all-powerful meaning he has all of the power...... Then it stands to reason if he chooses to exist as one essence but in three persons which all make up one God..... Then he can do so..... It's not even that complicated you have a soul and a body.....
You are one person with three essence..... One body One soul and one spirit......
God is different from anyone and therefore he is three persons in one essence which make up one God and make him different and set apart from any other being
People having fallen prey for the apostate church Trinity doctrine need a saviour.
In come these so-called teachers who give them what they want to hear.
If God was multi personality then shouldn't the Bible clearly spell it out?
These ruses are on how to make Jesus into God. It being a duality and not a trinity.
'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME' cannot be any clearer that Jesus who was SEEN was NEVER God. (1 John 4:12)
If in John 6:63 words are spirit(John 1:1,14 John 2:21 John 4:24) then the third Person of the Godhead should be called as Holy WORDS(John 6:63) ???
1 Corinthians 14:33 God is not confusing , but the trinity is . With each person there is something different to remember . So I Looked into it myself , so here's what I found , without all those fancy degrees . I believe God is the Father , he created us , me anyway , Jesus the Son is God man in flesh , and I believe in the Holy Spirit , the presence , and power of God . If they were 3 persons , when you get to heaven you would see 3 bodies . No they have 3 roles that are necessary for our salvation , allow me to explain ; only a true human could die for our sins , and could take our place , and shed his blood . So Jesus had to be the Son of God in order to die for our sins , but in order for the Son to be born , no human could do that , God had to be the Father of that baby , born in the womb of a virgin , and salvation is not just because of what happened 2000 years ago , it has to be applied to our lives today . How does that happen ; God comes to us by his Spirit , so God is not eternally 3 persons named Father , Son , and Holy Spirit . But God has operated in our lives as Father , Son , Spirit for the specific purpose of redeeming us ,or saving us from sin . So with that as a background 3 persons but 1 God would be a distortion because it interjects this idea that in the nature of God there is some distinction , or separation , or division , which is not practical for these reasons , who are we praying to we need to know for sure . Are we praying to 1 , or to 3 . When we get to heaven who are we going to see 1 , are we going to see 3 . That makes a difference who our faith is in , and the significance of the name of Jesus . We need to understand because when we pray in the name of Jesus : we expect demons to be cast out , ( Acts 19;13 - 15 ) , and people to be delivered , and healed ( Matthew 9:2 , 22 ; Acts 3:6 ) , and receive the Holy Spirit ( John 20:22 ; Acts 2:4 ) . But if the emphasis is on Father , Son , Holy Spirit then the name of Jesus is not magnified , we don't receive what God wants to give us . So there are a lot of practical reasons why we need to know the answer to this question , and if there is any message in scripture that God is 1 that's stated in ( Deuteronomy 6:4 ) Hear o Israel the Lord your God is 1 Lord ; Jesus repeated it in ( mark 12:29 ) , and if Jesus said it , you have to get it right , we need to talk about it . If I'm going to teach what the Bible teaches , I have to emphasize what the Bible emphasizes .
Jesus in prayer to the Father said "3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." [John17:3]. Paul said "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." [1Corinthians 8:6]. Jesus said the Father is the only true God. Paul said there is one God who is the Father and from him are all things (including the Word). I believe what the Lord and Paul are saying. Check to see if you also believe them.
Jesus, the Lord (1 Corinthians 8:6) is YHWH (Romans 10:13).
@@kardiognostesministries8150 No matter what the divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ is, he is contingent upon the Father who is contingent upon no one according to the scriptures. Jesus is the Word of God whose author is the Father.
@@yasaaley Jesus being YHWH has been, is now and will always be YHWH.
@@kardiognostesministries8150 Rationally, we should use clear scripture with no ambiguity to throw light on what is obscured and confusing and not the other way round. My emphasis is on the contingency of the Son or the Word upon the Father according to John, Paul and the Lord himself. By the way, what is the meaning of YHWH?
@@yasaaley Applying a text about YWH in direct reference to Jesus is more than enough. Throw in the fact that it is also a passage that is about praying to YHWH makes the case even stronger since prayer is due unto God alone.
Wait, near 11:10 he is saying that Christians "can't have fellowship with" other Christians who aren't Trinitarians? This is one of the most unbiblical, divisive ways of handling disagreements among believers I've ever heard spoken by a prominent Christian. It's unbiblical because the Bible specifically tells us to NOT act like that way when handling disagreements among believers. It says to do so with love, tolerance, and *understanding of the differing views*
Now, how are we supposed to obtain an understanding of the differing views if even just fellowship isn't allowed with fellow Christians who don't believe exactly as you do for every single issue like this?
Or does he genuinely believe that Trinitarianism is a salvation issue? If so, I would question if he's understanding a word written in the Bible to be honest.
Jesus did say this -"I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.” I believe the "he' there is added, so the idea is Jesus is referencing the I AM who spoke to Moses. So in that way, it might be a salvific issue, though I get your points, we certainly need to flip the doctrine pyramid like the food pyramid with love being at the top, however, love must me tied to scripture, so it makes it difficult, but too many Christians just dismiss others way too quickly instead of taking the time to really understand them. Good comment!
@@flamingswordapologetics The verse you're referring to is John 8:24 from the New Testament. Here's the context:
In John 8, Jesus is having a conversation with the Pharisees. He is speaking about his identity and mission. Jesus warns them that they do not know where he is going and that they are not following him. Specifically, John 8:24 says:
"I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins."
In this context, Jesus is emphasizing the necessity of believing in him as the Messiah (the "I am he" refers to his identity as the promised Savior) for salvation. He is addressing the issue of disbelief and its consequences, suggesting that failure to recognize and believe in him as the Messiah will result in remaining in sin and its ultimate consequences.
The broader passage includes Jesus declaring himself as the light of the world and offering spiritual truths and teachings that challenge the existing religious norms and understandings of the time.
So, when the context is included, the "if you don't believe I am he" part is referring to those who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah / Savior.
@@lightbeforethetunnel Thanks, I see that is possible, but the "he" I'm pretty sure is not in the Greek, and the context of the I AM statements in the same chapter seem to be pointing back to the I AM that sent Moses, which we all identify as Yahweh. If this was the only verse taught alluded to the Divinity of Christ, it would be more difficult, but it seems the Unitarians take a position that is less likely and simply does not fit the context. Yes, they must believe He is the Messiah, but that the Messiah is the I AM from the Old T. That is my conundrum, because I am very open to accepting those who disagree with me as brothers/sisters on many issues.
Yes ,you are Indeed correct. Great answer
Almost 15 minutes in and he still hasn’t gotten to the message.
Why don't Christians believe the words of Jesus?
=> "...the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life. " (John 6:63)
Note: my cat has 3 kittens 😸 😸 😸 (a "trinity") but not "gods". Amen?!
The same people who say Lord Jesus is just a man or just a prophet would charge you with blasphemy and behead you if you said half of what Lord Jesus said.
@@JesusistheonetrueGod => do not lose sleep over what people think about the TRUTH.
=> Your job is to declare the TRUTH.
@@Desire_of_Ages Amen
Not a trinity, just three kittens. A trinity would imply that they are three kittens but one cat.
@@JesusistheonetrueGod 🤣 ... not what I heard from a Unitarian preacher; he says that the Trinity comes from the Latin word "trinitas" [which has the definition of "collection of 3"].
Trinitarians call Jesus the God man, how can they come up with such non sense!
Jesus is YHWH (Acts 2:21).
@kardiognostesministries8150 that's not what the verse says!
@kardiognostesministries8150 who was the God of our ancestors? Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham? Can you name him? YAHWEH!
@@franciscogutierrez3095 Peter applies YWH from Joel 3:5 (Septuagint) in reference to Jesus being the Lord in Acts 2:21.
Thus, Jesus is YHWH.
@kardiognostesministries8150 that's an assumption and nothing more, Read this verse and note that Yahweh is not Jesus, Acts 5:30 if you believe for some reason this verse is not talking about 2 separate beings, let me know why!!!
When you you Christ the annointed by God the father God is not anointed he is the hìghest authority
The trinity isnt a dogma that must be believed in for salvation. Its not necessary or sane to think you have God all figured out and put into a nice little box. Stick with what the scriptures say and dont go further trying to put something beyond your understanding into a simplistic artificial model that is probably incorrect.
Trinity teaches that the Father is not the only true God. FACTS
If the Godhead is not Triune then there is no salvation for sinners
STOP calling GOD a MADE UP NAME that is BENEATH HIM AND INSULTING in your puny efforts to "understand" HIM! We are NOT called to "understand" GOD as much as to TRUST GOD...MYSTERIES and all. "I AM THAT I AM"!
How to have the knowledge required in John 14:17 if you cannot have even the knowledge required in John 17:3 ?.
Stopping at verse 3 in John 17 you're missing something. Continue reading.
@@JesusPPK What, you mean verse 5? No Trinity there. That's God's foreknowledge, and you can prove that Scripturally.
@gimel77 foreknowledge? Let me guess 🙄 you're a unitarian/oneness or a member of The Way International, right?
How can a thought/idea have glory before the world was, if he wasn't present next to the Father?
@@JesusPPK Look in verse 24 of the same chapter and tell me your thoughts.
@gimel77 thanks for not answering the question I posed to you.
takes about 25 minutes of him talking before he gets into the subject matter
Isaiah 6:8 in the Septuagint is in the SINGULAR. There is no plural. Same word is used in Gn 3:22.
Dr amazing GBU
I believe its biblically true, but i atruggle with the Father ..just a vagueness to me now...
Your trinity is only found in Revelations 16:13. All apostles baptized in the Name of Jesus. Acts 2:38; Acts 4:12; Acts 10; Acts 19:1-5; Romans 6:3-4. Nobody in the New Testament was EVER baptized in your false titles. Nobody. Further, if you do some research, we do find ONENESS in Ephesians chapter 4. Strongs Reference will refute this false doctrine of trinity (yes, lower caps).
Absolutely cannot believe this guy doesn’t know who Voodie Bauchman and Paul Washer are??????????? That’s like being a country music artist and saying I don’t know who George Strait and Garth Brooks are 😂…
Voodie Bauchman? So, you don't know Voddie Baucham either 😂🎉
Who is Jesus Christ's God? The Bible has many verses in which Jesus Christ is referring to his God.
It seems to me that Jesus Christ (described in the Bible as the begotten son of God), has the same God that saved born-again Christians have.
Here are some historical facts. Trinitarians dominate Christianity so much so that they would have you believe that if you are not a Trinitarian, you are not a Christian. This is not true. Historically, Christianity has not always been controlled by the Trinitarians or their Doctrine. There was no defined Trinitarian doctrine for the first three hundred years of the history of the Christian Church. But to listen to Trinitarians, you would think Christ taught His disciples the Trinity, or at the very least God revealed the Doctrine of the Trinity to the church from the beginning. No such teaching or revelation from God was ever given, nor was the Trinity made essential for believers according to the Bible.
Yet, according to Trinitarians, the doctrine of the Trinity is considered sacred and fundamental, and most Trinitarians view it as the litmus test for defining who is and is not a Christian. Only ignorance would allow such a thing. The audacity of the Trinitarians to threaten one’s very salvation! James White has publicly stated, “We (Trinitarians) hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine… We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully and completely Christian” (The Forgotten Trinity, pp. 14-15). And yet, no one can understand the Trinity. Scholars have acknowledged this, “The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who has tried to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind; but he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul” (Harold Linsell and Charles Woodbridge, A Handbook of Christian Truth, pp. 51). This Trinitarian Doctrine produces confusion, and this confusion is not from the God of the Bible (1 Corinthians 14:33).
Where did this doctrine of the Trinity come from? “The term ‘Trinity’ is not itself found in the Bible. It was first used by Tertullian at the close of the 2nd century but received wide currency and formal elucidation only after the 4th and 5th centuries” (see “Trinity,” New Bible Dictionary, 1996). “Precisely what that doctrine is, or rather precisely how it is to be explained, Trinitarians are not agreed among themselves” (see “Trinitarians,” A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge).
Biblically, God never revealed the Doctrine of the Trinity, then how did the church come to accept it? From history, we get the answer, “The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and many controversies…It was not until the 4th century that the distinctness of the three and their unity were brought together in a single orthodox doctrine of one essence and three persons” (The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 11, p. 928, 1985 ed.). “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from Him” (H.G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499, 1920). Over 3 hundred years after Christ, this doctrine of God being Triune took over the church as essential to our salvation! What of all the believers who accepted Christ before the 4th century, but had no idea that belief in the Trinity was a requirement for their salvation?
Is the demand by Trinitarians that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation a form of legalism? What is legalism? Have not Trinitarians laid down the law that one must believe in the Trinity to be saved? In Christian theology, "legalism" is a pejorative term applied to the idea that "by doing good works or by obeying the law, a person earns and merits salvation." If men, whether by popular belief or by group or clergy, place a prerequisite, a stipulation, or insist upon a certain belief upon one so that they would receive salvation is this not a form of legalism? Only Christ, by the will of the Father, can place prerequisites, stipulations, and beliefs upon one to receive salvation without falling under “legalism.” Therefore, Christ made no requirement that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation, then it follows that the stipulation that one must believe in the Trinity would be a form of legalism caused by Trinitarians. There is no requirement by Christ that one must believe in the Trinity to receive salvation.
Where did the idea of the Trinity come from since God never revealed the concept of the Trinity? Edward Gibbon, a noted historian, gives this answer, “If paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. The pure Deism of the first Christians…was changed by the Church…into the incomprehensible dogma of the Trinity” (The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, p. xvi, 1883). The Trinity finds its birth in the West according to Pagan Greek philosophy. Were we not warned about this by the apostle Paul, who wrote, “Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ” (Colossians 2:8). Rise up in truth all Christians and throw off this heavy yoke of Trinitarian bondage to a false doctrine never revealed by Christ. It is false that one must believe in the Trinity to be saved. Christ is God because His God and Father gave Him all things, and all things are committed to Him. Christ said, “All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him” (Matthew 11:27).
@@S.R.M. Thanks for your above post. I just read through it. I was late, but better late than never!
I've noticed a lot of Christians don't seem to realize how absurdly dogmatic and intolerant they are about Trinitarianism. They treat it as though it's a salvation issue when there's no reason why it would be.
@@lightbeforethetunnel Thank you. Jesus is a counterfeit name. (2 Timothy 4:1-22) I charge you in the presence of God and of the Messiah YAHSHUA, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His Kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, and fulfill your ministry.”
(2 Corinthians 10:5) “We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ…”
Strong’s Dictionary of Bible Words (Hebrew)
Hawah- modernized Hebrew word: havah, means “to be” (Strong’s #1933).
“To exist,” (Strong’s #1934). Part of God’s name YAH-a-wah,
YAHAWAH means “I AM Everpresent,” revealed to Moses.
Hovah- means “Ruin, Mischief, and Calamity,” (Strong’s #1942, #1943).
Part of the name Je-hovah, which means “Ruin, Mischief, and
Calamity.” Jehovah is a concoction of the Hebrew vowels of the Hebrew
word for God, “Eloah” (e-o-a), and these vowels are placed onto the Tetragrammaton YHWH, Anglo-Latinized to JHVH, thus causing the name of JeHoVaH. God never revealed this name: “Jehovah.” The name Jehovah, or Yehovah, is a euphonious name, a counterfeit name, and in the name of God’s Truth must be discarded!
YAH - Means “I AM,” as opposed to Jah, due to the Hebrew having no corresponding letter for ‘J’. Therefore Jah is inconsistent with YAH. Halleluyah means “Praise YAH.”
The following is incorrect: Jah and Iah. The Hebrew letter Yod corresponds to the English letter “Y.” YAH is correct, as in Halleluyah!
Strong's Hebrew: 3050. יָהּ (YAH=I AM) -- the name of the God of Israel:
YAH is “the name which is above every name” (Philippians 2:9).
Halleluyah means “Praise YAH!”
“Behold, God is my salvation,
I will trust and not be afraid;
‘For Yah, the Lord, is my strength and song;
He also has become my salvation’” (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV).
“Sing to God, sing praises to His name;
Extol Him who rides on the clouds,
By His name Yah, and rejoice before Him” (Psalm 68:4 NKJV).
The Messiah has “the name which is above every name”, which is, “YAH.”
YAHSHUA said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). I AM=YAH.
YAHSHUA means, “I AM Salvation.” “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).
To reject the name YAHSHUA, or disbelieve this name, is to be condemned (John 3:18). Unfortunately, there are few who will find the way, the name, of salvation (Matthew 7:13-14).
The priests, pastors, teachers, and evangelists, who preach, and teach, in the counterfeit names of Jehovah, Yehovah, or Jesus, are workers of lawlessness (Matthew 7:21-23; Malachi 2:2).
HAYAH - meaning, “the I AM.” To exist, (Strong’s #1961). God answers
Moses, “[the I AM] HaYAH [Who] Ashar [the I AM] HaYAH”
(Exodus 3:14). God did not say, ‘Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh.’
HAYAH - Has been mistakenly tied to the name Jehovah, the erroneous, euphonious,
name:
For God (see Strong’s # 1962). Therefore the words ruin, and
mischief are false definitions and not related to the definition of
HaYAH, however, Jehovah does mean ruin, mischief, and calamity.
Jehovah - is a Latinization of the HebrewTetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), this name (Yehovah) is an improper name of the God of Israel and has no place in the Hebrew Scriptures, or any Bible, whether Hebrew, Greek, Latin, or English. The Hebrew letters Yod, Hey, Waw, Hey, (YHWH) the Tetragrammaton יהוה is the name of God in Hebrew and a form of God's name in Christianity with the essential name YAH. YAHAWAH was revealed to Moses and appears in English Bibles as LORD. LORD in all caps is a cover-up for YHWH, a practice by man, and not God. The growing consensus among scholars is that the historical vocalization of the Tetragrammaton at the time of the redaction of the Torah (6th century BCE) is most likely Yahawah. The pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton came to be avoided, being substituted with Adonai ('LORD'). The Hebrew vowel points of Eloah (e-o-a) were added to the Tetragrammaton by Jewish scribes to remind the readers in the synagogues not to attempt to pronounce the name of God but to say, “Adonai,” instead. Thus around the 12th century CE, Roman Catholic clerics, being ignorant of the practice, inaccurately transliterated the Tetragrammaton with these added vowels from another word causing the hybrid name Iehovah. Thus, the derived forms Iehouah, and Iehovah, first appeared in the 12th century. In the 17th century, the name of Jehovah became known, and today has been modified, in some circles, to Yehovah (see Strong’s #3068).
Yehovih - (see Strong’s #3069) This is the Tetragrammaton יהוה
With the vowels of Elohim (e-o-i), which caused Yehovih.
From: Word + Vowels = Modified name for God
Adonai + a-o-ai = YaHoWaiH shortened to YAHWEH.
Elohim + e-o-i = Yehovih (appears in the Hebrew Scriptures 305x)
Eloah + e-o-a = Yehovah (appears in the Hebrew Scriptures over 2,000X)
Scholars know that the name Jehovah is considered historically inaccurate as it emerged from combining the Hebrew consonants YHWH and the vowels (e-o-a) of the word Eloah to make the name YeHoVaH. The hybrid name, therefore, does not reflect the divine name as it was used in ancient times or its pronunciation. This presents linguistic differences as The name Jehovah fails to follow the rules of the Hebrew language, which does not have the letter “j.” Therefore, combining “J” and “jeh” to form a word cannot be found in Hebrew, where the divine name originates. YAH is part of the beginning of God’s original name, hence Halleluyah, Praise YAH.
Jah, Jeh, Ieh, and Yeh are inconsistencies. Stop using concocted, hybrid, counterfeit names for the LORD!
Choose consultants wisely....
(1 Timothy 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,
The last I checked, a Mediator cannot be part of either party he mediates BETWEEN.
Thus, neither could Jesus be God nor the chosen ones among humans.
Jesus' words to show that he was never God.
(John 8:40) But now you are seeking to kill me, A MAN who has told you the truth that I HEARD FROM GOD.
Then again, what would Jesus know about himself. These video charlatans seem to know better.
@Grey : Where did Jesus ever call himself any 'I am'?
The Greek is 'ego eimi'. Tons of people used it. It is just a state of being.
The discussion was about Jesus' AGE and not his name.
(John 8:57) Then the Jews said to him: “You are not yet 50 years old, and still you have seen Abraham?”
(John 8:58) Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” (or I existed).
(John 8:59) So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid and went out of the temple.
Are we to believe that Almighty God who created this energy blasting Universe ran and hid from the Jews????? Come come! Surely!. How about a bit of rational thinking.
If someone is a Mediator BETWEEN two parties, he cannot be connected to either party. A Mediator should be a NEUTRAL.
Check a dictionary.
Jesus cannot be a Mediator between HIMSELF (as God) and HIMSELF (as a man). How would that make any sense?
1 Timothy 2:5 clearly states BETWEEN and that Jesus was a MAN.
If someone is BETWEEN two others, what does it mean?
@@tongakhan230 before Abraham was I am, meaning he was around before Abraham, because he is God
@@boosminogstatus6460: Adam, Enoch, Noah were all there before Abraham.
Jesus, however was alive in heaven. He being an angel son of God.
John 8:23 'Jesus' went on to say to them: “You are from the realms below; I am from the realms above. You are from this world; I am not from this world.
Read John 17, see how many times he speaks of being one......if we fail to understand God's Word, His Truth, it is often because we overthink and overcomplicate foundational Truth. Sometimes we can question God's Truth because we think we are too smart to fall for nonsense. There is a clear difference between a paradox and a contradiction. The Trinity is a contradiction to those who cannot see through the apparent paradox....
So a rock exists, but it's not a person. Jesus exists and he's a person. God the father exists because he created everything in existence, except Jesus and the Holy Spirit. We can picture God the father as a wise yet stern whitebeard sitting on a cloud. But if the Holy Spirit is a person, how is that? We can't imagine what it looks like, and unlike a rock, it doesn't exist.
The holy spirit does exist boss
@@boosminogstatus6460 It's an interesting idea certainly, like shakti: some sort of invisible energy that we feel sometimes coursing through our body. Like adrenalin. God the Father can be glimpsed in the Old Testament chatting to Lot, and Jesus gets about a bit in the New Testament being seen and so on. But we never see the Holy Ghost: strange. Perhaps the Holy Ghost is an emanation of God - the three-personed God. Like God, he can't be seen or described, just indicated.
Jesus Christ pbuh was never a part of Trinity because Jesus Christ pbuh was a human being Hosea 11: 9, 1 Timothy 2 vs3-5 and Act 2 vs22 and John 20 vs 17, Matthew 23 vs 9-10, Matthew 19:17-18, mark 10:17-18, Luke 18:18-19, John 17 vs3, John 13:16, John 14 vs 28, John 20 vs 17.
Does anyone know if Jim White believes in the 'eternal Son of God'; that is, the Son (Jesus Christ) has always been or fulfilling the 'Son' roll!
If the Son was eternal, then Hebrews 1:1-3 is a lie.
@@DP-bx5fg Why?
The verse shows God never spoke in the Son in the Old Testament. It happened in the New Testament, which means the Son had a beginning. If he had a beginning, he would not be eternal. This is confirmed in Luke 24:39.
@@DP-bx5fgNot so--Daniel 3:25 shows that the person fulfilling the roll as the Son, was present in 606 B.C.!
Also read Proverbs 30:4 where Solomon points out that in his day this same person was fulfilling this same roll as Jehovah's Son!
@philjackson5387 You need to reconsider your statement. Your belief that the Son physically appeared in the Old Testament is flawed. You are pointing to a verse that contains the prophecy, prototype, and shadow of the Messiah, which were all fulfilled in the New Testament. However, your understanding of the scripture is influenced by the Trinity teaching rather than the Holy Spirit, which causes you to compromise other scriptures, as you did with Hebrews 1:1-3. It is impossible for the Son to already be present if he was not yet begotten. This means that Paul lied in Hebrews 1:1-3 when he stated that the Father spoke in the Son in the last days and did so in the days of the prophets. You must address this dilemma, and you cannot blame the spirit of the Trinity for putting you in this predicament, you accepted it, without discerning it.
The origins of our behavior need to be explored and pagan habits purged.
We are trained to disobey the eternal Covenant by the bulk of Christian pastors, but to be the bride, we need to obey the Commandments.
Look into how the CRUX became the symbol of Constantine's new religion, adopted from his Sun worship. It never was used by the first Natsarim followers of Yahusha. Yahusha said,
"I am the Vine; you are the Natsarim." (Yn. 15:5)
#natsarim
The Trinity is the Father fully God, the Son (Christ) fully God, and the Holy Ghost fully God, however, the Father is not the Son, nor is the Son the Father, and the Spirit is not the Son, nor is the Spirit the Father. They are all distinct from each other. Yet there are not three Gods (elohim), but One God (Eloah). How is it that not one verse in the Bible states: “God is One in three persons”?
It is common among Christians who tend to think and believe that the Trinity is established in the Bible, who insist on the belief of the Trinity of three co-equal, co-eternal Persons in the One God is biblical. And yet increasingly, many very well-known Bible Scholars do not think Christ is God in a Trinitarian sense, based on the lack of evidence in the Old and New Testaments. Therefore, many distinguished scholars maintain that the doctrine of the Trinity is not taught anywhere in the Bible. Trinitarians promote two verses, which are Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7, however, these two pillars of Trinitarianism are proven interpolations, that is words that were added to Scripture much later into the original biblical text.
While the doctrine of the Trinity is not taught in the New Testament and never revealed by God in the Old Testament, it was first formulated by Christian bishops in the 4th century, that is three hundred years after Christ, and who attempted to understand the relationship between Christ and the Father in three main Church Councils, The Council of Nicaea (325), The Council of Constantinople (381), and The Council of Ephesus (431). Those men who participated in three councils sought to define God on their terms without one thus says the LORD, and not one provable proof text
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History does not reveal that the apostles ever knew of the Trinity Doctrine, that is: “The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three gods (elohim), one God (eloah), equally important, the Father is not the Son, and the Son is not the Holy Ghost, therefore, each is a separate Person of the Godhead.” Trinitarians have placed two major interpolations in the New Testament to artificially establish the Trinity. To sum up the findings of historians, H.G. Wells stated, “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from him” (THE OUTLINE OF HISTORY, Vol. 2, p. 499).
“Primitive (Apostolic) Christianity did not have an explicit doctrine of the Trinity such as was subsequently elaborated in the creeds of the early (4th century) church” (see “God”, THE NEW INTERNATIONAL DICTIONARY of NEW TESTAMENT THEOLOGY, Vol. 2, 1976, p. 84).
First interpolation: 1 John 5:7-8. Modern Biblical scholarship agrees that 1 John 5:7 seen in Latin and Greek texts after the 4th century and found in later translations such as the King James Bible Translation, cannot be found in the oldest Greek and Latin texts. Verse 7 is known as the Johannine Comma, an interpolation, which most scholars agree to be a later addition by a later Trinitarian copyist, also classified as a textual gloss, but not part of the original text. This verse reads: “Because there are three in Heaven that testify - the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit - these three are one.”
This verse is absent from the original Aramaic, Syriac, Slavic, early Armenian, Georgian, Ethiopian, and Arabic translations of the Greek New Testament. It is primarily found in later Latin manuscripts, although some Greek, Slavonic, and late Armenian manuscripts contain it.
Second Interpolation: Matthew 28:19. States, Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit…” Matthew 28:19 is quoted by Trinitarians as evidence for the Trinity. However, it is an interpolation into the Text. Respected Bible scholars say that the formula was an insertion and that it originally stated: “Go and make disciples of all nations in my name.”
Matthew 28:19 is the only verse in the entire New Testament with the “Trinity” formula.” All other verses point to baptism being performed in the Name of Christ alone. Take for example Apostle Peter in Acts, who promoted baptisms in the name of the Lord. See the following verses:
Acts 2:38 - “Then Peter said to them, “Repent and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:16 - For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 10:48 - So Peter ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus the Messiah. Then they asked him to stay there for several days.
If Matthew 28:19 is true and genuine, and Jesus did command His disciples to baptize ”in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,” then why would Peter go against a commandment and baptize only in His name? Well, the answer lies in the Text.
It's obvious He doesn't have the spirit of revelation
Im always puzzled.. the more the trinitarians attemp to prove Jesus and The Father are the same. ... the more they DISPROVE trinity. Ie 1+1= 2 not three! Further ..take time to look at your own trinity embolem. The father IS NOT jesus, Jesus is not the Father. Even Jerry Springer knows that!! 😅
"Some guy name Voddie Baucham and Paul Washer" both are who are PHENOMENAL preahers!!
Both are false teachers
@@AstariahJWhow are they false teachers? I’m not arguing with you, I am simply interested in what you specifically base your statement on about these two pastors being false teachers. Thank you.
@@chrisinf-11b10 yes anybody that supports apostasy is a false teacher
Apostate christianity been teaching lies for centuries
Unbiblical teachings they teach is trinity. Hellfire. Immortality of the soul. Rapture. Purgatory. Once saved always saved
Etc
Plus Christendom worship pagan holidays Christmas Easter holloween
The list goes on
Christendom adopted paganism
Apsu and Tiamat preexisted creation in the Babylonian myth
Ive never seen the word Jehovah in the old testament. Its not there
it never was, they took the Hebrew Yahweh and misrepresented the letters. It's just Yahweh. Jehovah is Yahweh.
The divine name, represented by the four Hebrew letters YHWH, is usually translated to English as Jehovah or Yahweh (Psalm 83:18). It's an English translation just as "Jesus" is an English translation as well as every personal name in the English Bible (i.e. Jehoshaphat, Jehoram, Jehu, Judah, Joab, etc.) The letter "J" does not exist in Hebrew but it does in English. Psalm 83:18 in the King James Version, probably the most well-known and influential Bible translation in English, says, "That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth."
Psalms 83:18 KJV, ASV
18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.
Move over Tertullian, Tom is in the house in the name of Jesus
White John Smith Kenneth Jackson Dorothy
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Jesus is not a Trinitarian.
See Matthew 28:19 which refutes your outlandish assertion.
@@kardiognostesministries8150 Matt 28:19 does not say God is Father, son and spirit. Just counting three doesn't make them one God. And it doesn't refute anything. Jesus is still not a Trinitarian. Jesus has a God, is his God three persons?
@@droptozro The one SINGULAR 'Name' encompasses all three.
@@kardiognostesministries8150 again you avoid my initial point and question. If this were an actual debate you would be losing it.
Either way if I even granted your understanding of "name," which name is it? Cause every time you see the apostles baptizing they baptize in Jesus' name. Are you oneness? I suppose not being on this video. So what name are you imposing on that verse? Because in reality name can refer to authority and it makes perfect sense that one is baptized in the authority of God, God's son, and in God's spirit.
@@droptozro The Name is YHWH. I don't care about your initial point and question because it fails to take into account that the singular Name encompasses all three.
Why wasn't Acts 2:38 corrected in the NAB to say ; Peter said to them, Repent & be baptized, every 1 of you, in the name of the Father, & the Son, & the holy Spirit for the forgiveness of your sins; & you will receive the 3rd person of the trinity, the holy Spirit ? How do you teach the trinity when in Galatians
you bump heads with Paul when he says in 1:8-9 pg.277 ;But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach (to you) a gospel other than the 1 that we preached to you, let that 1 be accursed! As we have said before, & now I say again, if any 1 preaches to you a gospel other than the 1 that you received, let that 1 be accursed! (NAB) 2nd Peter 1:20-21 pg. 362 n t Know this 1st of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence
of God. The trinity was introduced by Tertullian , here is your if any 1 ! I was baptized Acts 2:38, it's no to late for you
The passage you quote in Galatians is accurate, but baptism isn't the gospel. Paul is saying he preached the Gospel, and they corrupted that Gospel, and there is no other Gospel. Then he explains where he received the Gospel and how he verified the Gospel with James, Peter, and John. Then he tells them what the Gospel is and how they corrupted it (2:15-21). Then he explains how they changed the Gospel (chapter 3). The Gospel isn't "go and be baptized," the Gospel is that we are saved by grace through faith - not works. Galatians is very clear about this.
@@theopneustos3712 What about other scriptures like:
Mark 16:16: "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."
Galatians 3:27: "For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ."
Romans 6:3-4: "Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life."
1 Peter 3:21: "And this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also-not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ."
Even where the Bible says that they believed and were saved, it still shows that they were baptized:
Acts 16:30-33: "He then brought them out and asked, 'Sirs, what must I do to be saved?' They replied, 'Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved-you and your household.'
Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house.
At that hour of the night, the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized."
Faith is essential but Faith without any action is not enough:
James 2:26: For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Because Mt. 28: 19-20 is the formula for Acts 2:38 in the Name “ singular usage here” this is confirmed by Acts 4:12 for there is none other name again singular here. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are titles not names, they are all described in the name Jesus being interpreted Jehovah Savior. Or to say as the Scripture says God our Savior. Hope this helps your understanding.
Rev. Roger Clyde
Las Vegas,NV
@@julioswat79 Unless you believe that I Am He, you shall die in your sins. Hope this helps.
Rev. Roger Clyde
Las Vegas, NV
Just a note more. Peter never said be baptized father,son and Holy Spirit. Peter said in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin, ...... KJV. The NSB IS A altered version made to push a false agenda, a further attempt to dilute the word until the truth is lost.
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Confused doctrine, confused believer. Period !
It only confuses the unsaved because it is foolishness to them
@@Thinking-Biblically No, it confuses the saved with manmade doctrines and terms that are not Scriptural.
@gimel77 Is rapture a scriptural term? How about theology, monotheism, etc? Are you ok with those? If so, why? You see, we explain things in detail to combat heresy. That's what creeds are for. The Trinity is biblical. If you don't think so, then you don't understand scripture very well at all. It's everywhere
@@Thinking-Biblically Oh, I understand Scripture. You don’t however. For example, you think John 17:5 is talking about two divine persons standing next to each other when the worlds were made. You think Philippians 2 is about an eternal Son becoming a human Son. Etc.
@gimel77 We can talk about how it specifically says the Father sent the Son and how it doesn't say the Father sent Himself, but let's deal with this. Please exegete this passage. Hebrews 10: 5 Therefore when He comes into the world, He says, “YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED SACRIFICE AND OFFERING, BUT YOU HAVE PREPARED A BODY FOR ME" I ask who is the YOU and who is the ME in this passage?
Another question: In relation to 1 Corinthians 11:3 Jesus Christ is subordinate to His Heavenly Father. Who is this so-called 'third person' of the Godhead subordinate to?
There's no subordination spiritually bc that would make the deity of Jesus lesser than the Father. It would lead to HOMOOUSIOS (similar substance) rather than HOMOIOUSIOS (same substance)
@@JesusPPK Jesus isn't His Father... Two separate individuals...
@@JesusPPK Kind begets kind. God brought forth of His own substance.
@@davidmoorman7062 nope. That's not what happened to us or to Jesus. The Triune God created man from the earth. Jesus always was & is existing before & after the incarnation.
@@JesusPPK- Actually, there *is* subordination spiritually, with Jesus being *spiritually* subordinated to The FATHER as in the verses below;
-->1 Corinthians 15:28 ~ *_"And when all things have been subjected to Him (Jesus), then the Son Himself will be made SUBJECT to Him (God-YAHWEH) who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all."_*
This is so wrong its funny he's not 3 persons or people 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Talking too much and not getting to the point 🤦♀️
He does that all the time. He has over reached his wisdom and went beyond the bible
Trinity = Tri-unity - expressed in the Bible? Yes, check.
There is only one God - expressed in the Bible? Yes, check
God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit - expressed in the Bible? Yes, check.
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are in unity and operate in harmony? - expressed in the Bible? Yes, check.
Doctrine of the Trinity as an explanation of the nature of God? - expressed in the Bible? Yes, check.
Instead of the first 30 minutes of James White rambling, I want to see footage of his cats ripping up his Bibles and him losing his mind screaming at the cats.
What an unfortunate teaching