How Rick Rubin Almost Ruined Eminem's Career
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ส.ค. 2024
- Across the storied pages of hip-hop history’s books, chemistry between two individuals has yielded no shortage of greatness. From Eric B and Rakim and DJ Premier and Guru through to Hov and Kanye or even 21 Savage and Metro Boomin today, finding the right groove between a producer and a rapper is akin to striking gold and, as plenty of people have learned over the years, can’t be forced. Likewise, if you’ve found that degree of synergy with one artist or beatmaking wizard behind the boards, there is no guaranteeing that you can repeat the feat.
One pairing that learned this the hard way and had to weather a whole host of criticism that besmirched their respective legacies is Eminem and Rick Rubin.
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Idc about Eminem rn Kendrick cooked Drake
😂😂😂😂🦾Dot went crazy
Right? It's been an hour and nobody is talking about it. Like wtf
That part
idk man, every Drake diss since Adidon feels kinda underwhelming 😂 dude had nothing to fight back, and Pusha seemed to have more ready to go. This feels more like WWE than UFC version of rap beef
Then why you here
Why does everyone forget about how good Em and The Bass Brothers chemistry was?
Yeah Superman and sing for the moment. Great production
THIS!
Em needs to make another record with those guys.
Musically they were great but unfortunately the vibe was always depending on the drugs. The brothers mentioned that in a interview that they understood why em walked away because it was feeding into his addictions.
I miss the Bass Brothers days
they get high when they work and em isnt cool with that. theres no beef
thats why dre and em are made for eachother man. no other producer or rapper can bring that chemistry that those two can
google Mark and Jeff Bass and be amazed who where behind the eminem we all love.
I'd like to hear Em and Just Blaze again
Gangstar and also Eric B and Rakim also had great chemistry. I’m sure there are more producer/rappers with great chemistry like Em and Dre.
Lies
@@vercettib_251 TOTALLY YES!!! Fly Away was a such good song
MMLP2 is outstanding. such an underrated gem
It’s 90% cringe. Couple great songs. Tons of terrible ones.
I agree
@@eddthewordsmith
What's cringe about it
Man those beats were so terrible I couldn’t even appreciate Em’s rhymes
@@WesleyWilkins-qf2ky what beats specifically
Mmlp 2 is a legit great rapping record it's a timeless classic
No
No
Hell no
@@RICO_SUAVE_86_ elaborate with ur stiff brain
No, my poor Stan.
Em can rap over any beat, we know that. The only reason MMLP2 is still looked at favorably is because Em was rapping at a phenomenal level. Most ppl can look past the beat selection.
Dude most of them beat was fire
MMLP2 was a masterclass in technical rapping.
@@taylorfenton3960i still go crazy when i hear evil twin or groundhogs day
Eminem lost it when he stopped using those kinda beats
Mmlp2 technically best eminem album and even Eminem writing was crazy all the track get like 5 minutes at least
Eminem produced most of his own biggest hits. He's an underrated producer, who writes his own lyrics. He produced "The Eminem show" himself, which went diamond, his most streamed, most famous album to date. He also produced for other people, and wrote a lot of Dr dres songs for him. Luis resto is Eminem's main producer not Dre like a lot of people are brainwashed to believe. Dr Dre has a lot of ghost producers and uses mostly samples where he just takes someone else's music Tweeks it a little, stamps it, puts his name on it and takes all the credit. The bass brothers and Eminem on production is what made his first 3 albums classics not Dre. Whenever your listening to an Eminem song check the song credits for who produced it, you'll see what I mean. The bass brothers (F.B.T) made the best version of Eminem with their production
Mel-man
Interesting
Only a true EM fan knows about the The bass brothers. The Slim Shady LP is still 🔥Listening to Brain Damage now.
But all the best songs off of MMLP are produced by Dre…and besides, there’s more to being a producer than just “making beats”…
@@francostrong202 Music is subjective. Eminem and F.B.T (bass brothers) produced most of that album 8 out of 14 songs Eminem has production credit on including the song"stan". The others were mel man and Dr Dre which a lot were samples. The song"kill you" from that album, Dre and Mel man produced. The beat was stolen and Dre ended up getting Eminem sued for copyright infringement. The first album the song"my name is" Dre sampled from labi siffres song "I got the".
That's horse shit Marshall mathers 2 was fire I love that album
It's mid by Em's catalogue. Some of those songs are some of his best (let's say top 100 songs) but the album as a whole was mid. Recovery as a complete project is better. MMLP2 probably comes right after.
The production on it wasn't great or rather it wasn't Eminem enough.
@@elemaire86recovery his best album after the first 3. It’s not even close
@@nelsonmercadojr2749 agreed
Me too
I loved the MMLP2, it’s still in my top 10 favorite
Rubin didn't "almost ruin" Shady's career, he brought a different perspective. God forbid an artist does something different. Crazy most people just shit on Eminem for these albums not being the same as his old ones. I bet if he sounded like old Eminem they'd say that he needs to "get with the times." I think this channel needs better narration and stronger argumentative aspects if you truly feel that Rubin "sabotaged" Eminem.
I agree Em's been different after he got of the drugs
@evilsworn2901 ppl say a lot of crap about drugs and mental illness but they can take the mind to whole different dimensions in a good way
@@bunnyluver2176 time to break sobriety
I'm not sure if you're bias or looked over the fact that Recovery had a different sound too. Imo this video's on the mark.
RR is overrated
say what you will about Revival but MMLP2 is easily the best post-Eminem Show album he's put out and is in my personal favorite album he's put out. I think lumping it in with Revival and blaming Rick Rubin is a real flimsy way of looking at it
I agree, MMLP2, from the songs I’ve heard, sounds way more focused than almost every single track on Revival. Even Don’t Front which isn’t even a main track on the album.
I Would say my favorite after the Eminem Show is MTBMB both sides but I definitely respect having MMLP2 as yours. Aside from Revival and Encore I think his other albums are pretty solid overall.
@@fatedsculpture2596 100% agree, MTBMB is a very close imo
Relapse. Top 5 Eminem imo
Your bias is showing
mmlp2 is an amazing album
I came here to say that just myself. Look revival sucked, but MMLP2 was some of his best material in the last 20 years like some of those songs are still on my daily playlists to this day! Not to mention everybody hates new m&m but kamikaze / music to be murdered by and side B is all fire. FIRE!
Headlights is my favorite song the album
@@cassandragee6589 nice pick
For me it's either Evil twin or brainless
Generally the album is packed with good songs
@@cassandragee6589 *hears song in head* *cries*
@@CMCmakesmusic Groundhog Day was a hidden gem for me, didn't love it at first but love it now. Legacy is great
It's a shame these two didn't work out. MMLP2 is probably my favorite Eminem album.
It is great but eminem show and mmlp for me. Mmlp2 could be 3.
@@turtleanton6539MMLP2 is amazing
That's crazy that album had 1 good song
@@bigroman1355 least obvious bait
Mmlp 2 had one good song which was legacy. The deluxe bonus songs were cool too. But the normal mmlp 2 is my least favorite album by em.. fuck rick ruben lol
Eminem blew up at the perfect time, because I don't really see another white rapper being able to achieve the levels of success that he has anytime soon
@@apaaaa Yup, also formulas change; hell I don't even want to listen to Eminem *now* because his raps are super dated and there's no more _pain_ in them
Writer #1 is the only one who has a chance in my opinion. His track “the prologue” and “having fun” are fucking nuts
Mac was getting there
Id argue Mac Miller was the better artist. Eminem is an amazing rapper, but some of his beats and songs can get a bit whiny/not hip hop
Its easy. All they need is a Dre cosign 🤷🏽♂️
Ngl, parts of Revival were so bad that I thought he was trolling us. I’ve been waiting over 6 years for him to tell us it was a joke…and that the real album is coming out soon
He made Kamikaze confirming Revival was a serious effort 😂
I don't get ALL the hate that album gets. It's got it's misses, but believe and offended are absolute bangers.
@@alexallen6286 maybe offended but believe only has a good beat other than those songs everything else was horrendous
@fredyalvarez1434
Did you forget that “Castle” and “Arose” are on Revival?
@@loganleatherman7647 you said it before I could say it!
Mmlp2 has some of Ems best work tbh
- So Much Better
- Rap God
- Survival
- Legacy
- Headlights
- Evil Twin
@@mjtubeme Yep, the songs that weren't produced by Rick Rubin.
I like "Rhyme or Reason", but not the other songs he had a hand in.
I still blame Rick Rubin to this day for what he did to _“Revival”_ (he also ruined Linkin park’s album 😒) imo if Eminem just did the production himself and kept ppl like Rick away so he wouldn’t have had his opinion skewed on what the album should’ve been or sounded, we would’ve gotten a way better project than what we got, because the subject matter was never the problem.
Edit: Also, MMLP2 was an amazing album!
Rick also produced MMLP 2 and that was way better. I don't know what went wrong with Revival.
In saying that there were a few hidden gems on there. Castle & Arose are 2 of the best songs he ever did imo and it's a damn shame they were so far into that album, a lot of people probably didn't hear them because of that. Got no doubt they would have been a lot bigger and more fondly remembered if they weren't. I also like Bad Husband, Walk On Water (I never got the hate behind that song), River and I don't mind Pink's hook on Need Me either.
LP's best albums were under Rubin. Revival was Em at his most thoughtful and mature.
Minutes to Midnight, A Thousand Suns & Living Things are all very strong albums and contain some of my favorite songs. But they are not their best albums, I love them, but the 1st 2 ARE LP's best albums & it isn't close.
Revival gets more hate than it should, although there are 1 or 2 track where (much like A Thousands Suns) where I wonder how they made it to the album.
@@Ethan-Entah Linkin Park got far better on their third album and even better on their fourth. The first two albums were too influenced by studio meddling.
@@PenneySounds now that’s cap. LP would have never been as big as they were without Hybrid Theory and Meteora. Those albums are monoliths.
Corey Taylor put Rick on blast about how lazy he was.
Lets not blame Rick for Revival tho. Theres alot that goes on into producing an album, alotta pple involved. Lets not just blame Rick Rubin for all of it but great video as always man.
MMLP 2 is great album
Mmlp2 was good Stop the Cap 🧢
It wasn’t selling like that
That doesn’t make it bad. It’s one of my favorite em albums
@@hammuel188it sold 4 million right ?
@@hammuel188 it's a classic and sold 792,000 first week - whatchu saying?
Nah it was terrible and every rick ruben track was absolute ass
Honesty mmlp2 is my favorite album of all time. Songs like bad guy, legacy, so far are storytelling masterpieces. I might be biased but give it another listen. Bless
Justin Timberlake? Rapper? Man ...what
He said in "hip-hop" and "artists". He never said rapper.
@@MostCharismaticEver mhmm
I’ll never understand why Em, knowing him and Dre make gems when they work, doesn’t work almost exclusively with Dre at this point. I like Rick, but Em and Dre have proved time and time again they’re incredible when they lock in together. Really hoping this next album has more Dre production.
I agree but I think it’s the thing of to much of a good thing could turn out bad. Atleast I think that’s what em thought, especially with how he said in one song that everyone wants him to work with Dre and others want him to work with new producers so Em has to find the middle ground. I personally would love a bass bros track or a Mel Man track with Em
Dre has had ghost producers for decades now
Well with the new album you got your wish
Dre is such a major recluse to the point his name is more popular; the legend of him is more popular than him the actual person. theirs also long been rumors that he hasn't actually produced the songs he claimed he did when at death row. studio engineers did the work and then put his name on it cause he was out due to drug habit but they needed his name to help promote.
I think Em wants to give more modern producers the spot
I was literally just in the middle of writing a comment about how Slipknot hated working with Rick Rubin, and blammo. There's the clip of Corey that I was in the middle of quoting.
That’s why you should always watch a video in its entirety before posting a comment.
@@rjdiggs738 a hurrr durrr thank u
I would like to hear Eminem do a whole album with Mike Dean (Scarface's producer).
This is one of the rarest times I have seen someone attach Mike Deans name to Scarface. A lot of people nowadays call him Travis Scott or Kanye West producer.
@moxictasculinity
Was just about to comment that. I associate him way more with Kanye and Travis
I was gonna say travis scott too😂😂😂😂 damn thats a deep and goes waaaay back, scarfaces producer has longevity and has evolved with the sound. Mike dean is known for working with travis scott and kanye😮
@@loganleatherman7647 word. Scarface from getoboys is like such a different lane from travis scott today, well mike dean has evolved with the times compared to rubin.😂
Eminem’s DJ, The Alchemist may have production of his new album.
As a fan of both rap and metal/rock, mmlp2 is fs in my top 3 Eminem albums, i felt like they worked together very well on the album, plus Eminem's rapping on it was probably his best ever rapping. The disaster happened on revival, but mmlp2 was really dope.
I had no idea about this story, aside that Em and Rubin worked together. Very informative, I loved the video! Keep it up
Think I’m the only one lying person who loves the work they did together 😂
I swear MMLP2 is so underrated!
I Love Rick Rubin.. ❤ His Vision and Approach, coupled with his Experience ans Passion for Blending Jenres is why I Admire his Input and Contributions to Cutting Edge music.. 👑😃👑 🕊🕊🕊
0:08 I'm nitpicking, but are we calling Justin Timberlake a rapper?
😂😂
I saw that too, & calling Em the most successful rapper of all time... I love Em but really??
@@blakjay011 don't try to change the subject underneath my post. This isn't Reddit. Make your own post about that.
@@blakjay011by numbers he is
@@blakjay011 Yes.
One of Ems best songs is "Bad Guy" MMLP2 is crazy
Rick rubin’s book is really good
MMLP2 is great. It was different than his past work, even including Relapse and Recovery (I'd personally say its the bridge between the middle era and modern era Em) but I enjoyed hearing him fully embrace the lyrical side of him while still maintaining some of the energy he had previously, something he does lack sometimes in his new stuff.
Bro I watched one of your videos now I can't stop, a new fan as of today 🤙🏾
Appreciate that man ❤️🔥
People need to stop saying Rick Rubin doesn't know how to work a board or play instruments. That's such showbiz myth shit
This is why i am excited for this new eminem album, bc 1. He is going back to storytelling and 2. He is going to be pushed by dre to do something different... hopefully
MMLP2 is a dope album. And there are some fire tracks on Revival.
That’s why when I heard Em’s Music To Be Murdered By; I swear I wanted cry. I screamed off the top of my fucking lungs 🫁--WELCOME BACK SLIM SHADY! Finally an album I didn’t have to skip all the way through.
Really? IMO that's his worse album. MMLP2 is a classic.
Agreed, imo MtBMB's his best album since Recovery.
Theres a mistake at 1:06. Mmlp2 is 2013 not 2014
Bezerk was my favorite em song
That song is ass
I don’t understand the hate for that song it’s great
Mmlp2 lackluster? Who believes that? That’s my favorite album of all time
yeah this video is some bs, revival was mid but mmlp 2 is an A tier album, people just be saying anything.
@@cmshadyyyea I feel like mmlp 2 was s tier
I wouldn't say lackluster either, but MMLP2 is mid to me because of a lot of the production.
MMLP2 is even one of ems number 4 albums by harsh critics standards.
MMLP2 is a dope album, Survival on the other hand when listening to it now n days was maybe to conscious for its time. Rick Rubin in my opinion is just a taste maker. And a damn good one
This is an insane take. MMPL2 was 🔥 because of Rubin.
MMLP2 was good in my opinion
I've been a fan of Em's since his first album came out, but I always find myself so confused over the hate for Revival. I thought it was really good 🤷🏽♂️
probably because it was a different sounding eminem. that everyone wasn't used to or prepared for. i honestly like how em sounds completely different in each of his albums. framed,castle,in your head, believe, chloraseptic, walk on water, tragic endings are my favourite revival songs.
Most people like an artists for specific things, Revival tried to give everyone something to like which ends up meaning that one person who is a fan of one specific thing likes maybe 2 or 3 tracks. And an Album where you like maybe 2 or 3 songs, and someone else likes 2-3 completely different songs, will still have you two agreeing that only 2 or 3 songs are good, which makes it a subjectively bad album.
Remind Me, Heat, and Need Me are the only Revival tracks I don't like. Rick produced the former two. Need Me should've been on a Pink album.
cuz youre bias and wont listen to other criticisms
@Spectrum0122 Are...are you being serious? See I learned long ago not to make confident statements like that about a person I've never talked to or met, because usually you don't just end up being wrong, you also end up looking stupid asf 😂
I said i had been a fan of his since his first album, just like I'm a fan of a lot of other artists. Being a fan of someone doesn't mean you pledge blind loyalty to them. I won't "listen to other criticisms"? You're right. Because I'm an adult who doesn't need someone else's opinion for me to decide if I like something or not. But on top of that, here's where you look like some immature, naive teenager:
I literally can't stand 'Encore' 'Relapse', 'Kamikaze', and both 'Music To Be...A & B'. I think they're pretty much garbage 🤷🏽♂️ But yeah, you hit the nail on the head bro...I'm so biased 🤣🤣🤣
This is the video ive been waiting forever for. Rick Rubin and Skyler Gray.
“Heavy duty like diarrhoea” - this whole era in a rhyme. 🤣
MMLP2 is my favorite Eminem album idgaf what everyone saying. This album is incredible.
100% agree. It was an actual masterpiece
What they are saying MMLP2 is off tho. That album is really cool and lyrically it's incredible.
My favorite Rick Ruben being out of touch story. He produced a Black Sabbath album and brought them a bunch of vintage tube amps to try out to try and "capture" their old sound and they were like wtf bro these amps aren't good and won't make any significant change.
I actually really liked Revival. I was at a point in my life where a lot of those songs/lyrics really hit me.
I think Rick Rubin did a great part being involved in MMLP2 which I believe to be EMs last great album and I still enjoy it till this day but what the hell was Rick and everybody around Em telling him during the creation of Revival?
MMLP2 was good but Revival was so terrible and I definitely blame Rick Rubin and everyone around Em involved with that project including Rosenberg. Like who thought any of those beats sounded good? Who thought that the album needed those pop artist features? It is the weirdest Eminem album for sure. Felt like no one actually cared to make something good. Thankfully Kamikaze after was amazing.
Im tired of pretending MMLP2 isnt a near masterpiece
The Best Album is SSLP
Because it was a poor eminem without money
He really make songs and you notice the hunger and how he feels like a normal person and not like a star
I just cant help but feel like the humour on that album has aged terribly. The ironic, hey look at me im so edgy and dont give a fuck. Kinda like NOT jokes that everyone used at the time. Oh your new shoes are fire! NOT! Hahahaha. It just sounds so dated now
I love MMLP2. Not a fan of the beats and production so much but I love the album overall still
MMLP2 was my favorite Em album after the first 3 of course.
EM was doing his best with bass brothers productions.
Literally everyone sleeps on MMLP2 and Revival. MMLP2 is just fantastic, and Revival took time to grow, but the lyricism is absolutely incredible throughout the entirety x
I loved Marshall Marhers LP 2!
Love the channel watermark! 💚💗💙
Marshall mathers LP 2 was awesome
MM2 Was pretty good.. I like Revieval.. Great 📹.. Respect.. 💐 💐 To the Greatest 👑 🐐. 🇸🇮. 🤘🏻
At first I was like damn am I the only one that liked MMLP2????Then I read the comment section… looks like you’re on your own on that one. 🤷🏻♂️
MMLP2 was amazing.
It’s crazy to think it’s been over 22 years since Eminem dropped his last classic album- the Eminem show
Some ppl will say recovery. I personally liked relapse. He was dark and hilarious on that one
@@WesleyWilkins-qf2kyI’m one of those people. Recovery absolutely is a classic to me it really helped me through similar struggles he faced & it’s full of motivational bangers start to end no skips. Plus it was last album all over MTV, the radio & TH-cam here in UK also was during his Era making 🔥 with Wayne on No love & drop the world, he bested 3 goats on forever, huge hits love the way you lie & monster with riri, rapgod def a classic single. Love kamikaze album too. Relapse def is cult classic amongst fans. Eminem show is Ems Magnus Opus but it isn’t his last classic by any means to most hiphop fans around the world.
@jessicarichter6436 The only em albums I really just haven’t cared for were MMLP2 and revival. Largely because of the production. I like recovery. He had some club type hits on there. 25 to life is my absolute fav on there. But relapse.. songs like same song and dance and stay wide awake.. and the other more darker content. Even beautiful
It's really difficult being an Eminem fan where the stuff that's most successful tends to be the stuff I dislike. MMLP2 is terrific, and the tracks Rhyme or Reason and So Far are great.
That was one of Em’s best albums ever! I love rap I love classic rock and I love how he blended it. Great stuff!
MMLP2 is the best Eminem album of 2010s. And also I don't think it matters but Fantano's highest rated Eminem album ever
I really enjoyed Berserk. I think it would’ve been really dope if I would’ve had the Beastie Boys on that track with him.
This man really said Justin Timberlake
I'll admit, I've been a huge fan of Rubin's since the 90s, when I realised he produced a lot of my favourite music from my whole life. He's a big reason why I got into audio engineering and eventually producing music for others. I got his book the week it came out. I read about 40 pages and gave up. I realised he's a wishy washy hippy with no real knowledge to impart on anybody. He was lucky and was around the right people at the right time. He was willing to put his efforts behind pushing a musical culture that had not been presented accurately on recordings at the time. He made a lot of exceptional albums letting artists be artists. He's not a music producer, he's a musician producer. But yeah, The Creative Act: A Way of Being is an overly pretentious and utterly useless guide to living your life in a creative way. If you watch a couple of long interviews with him, you'll hear the entire book in them.
MM2 sold 3.8 million...
MMLP2 is my third favourite
Mmlp2 was dope
MMLP 2 was a top tier album. You can play it from beginning to the end and maybe 1 or 2 songs out of 21 is skipable. Other than that the only criticism is why the deluxe songs was not included as they are 🔥.
But I guess there will always be criticism no matter who produces an Eminem album.
Rick ruined Deloused in the Comatorium. The loudness of the record makes it sound terrible and pops when you play it at certain volumes. I’d love to see the album re-mixed with better levels.
Before anyone says that it’s the job of the audio engineers and sound mixers, all of Rubin’s albums from that era sound that way and he is clearly singing off on them.
a minute or so in and i'm suddenly inspired to listen to two eminem albums.... eventually
Maybe Rubin really gets his perfectionist mindset on when it comes to producing rock cuz god damn there no better, perfect produced album than Smashing Pumpkins’ Siamese Dream.
I don't understand why people say that Em never has anything meaningful to say. It's misleading criticism.
Despite what you might think, Rick Rubin is OBJECTIVELY one of the greatest producers, across all genres of music, in all of human history. He undeniably helped pioneer, not just hip-hop, but a good amount of what became late 90's punk and metal, AND even some country albums (pretty much just posthumous Johnny Cash, whom everyone loves). Rick is genuinely a music god. I think him and Em N E E D to try again
burh what. MMLP2 a classic
Just so we are clear, MMLP2 is a classic. It has much more highlights. But I agree with a lot of points on this one. Rick Rubin did almost trap Em in my least favorite of styles.
MMLP2 WAS 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
The rock influenced sound worked for Em sometimes. White America is in my top 5 favorite Em songs.
TH-cam algorithm wins again 😂.. Good stuff
Bro those tracks were on point. I don't care what any of you say
Mmlp2 is great, idk what u mean
Bizerk was 🔥
MMLP2 was fuckn 🔥
Berserk was amazing
Never knew they worked together for so long I thought it was just mmlp2 which I loved that album
Rubin is basically a consultant, its the artists choice to listen to him. But Revival flopping was probably the best thing that could ve happened, because once he was angry enough again to stop catering to every type of fan he has, he made some of the best pure hip hop tracks he s ever done.
Berzerk sounded so weird to me the first time I heard it. It sounded like 3 songs on top of one another and I didn’t really understand what I was listening to :p
3:07 this what Kobe be picturing he be doing in his head when he telling those lies 😹😂
great commentary!
I respect the contributions of Rubin to rock AND hip hop, but I've been saying his work with Em was lackluster at best. They peaked with MMLP2 (not even all of it) and shoulda left it at that tbh.