Happy St. Patricks Day! Nice upgrades! I really do like the look of red planes in the air. That color scheme is perfect against the blue sky. Time for you to get that Messerschmitt 163 or one of those MIGs :)
Hey Robert! Yes red is good especially the checkerboard. It's really easy to keep track of this one in the sky. Man I'd like to get a lot of planes that are out there, but have to pick and choose.
I definitely hear ya. I have already had one big purging to make room for new remote control things in the garage. I need to be more picky these days. Hopefully you have room for an 1/8th scale buggy :)
That thing floats like a leaf. I get the impression it is a very light plane. It looks great! I like how it climbs. Just goes to show you,thinking outside the box is a great idea. I have a balsa 300 Extra electric that I crashed last year,the damn thing was not a good flyer in my book anyways. Heavy as all hell. I have been staying away from sport planes because of that plane.
hey Scott - this plane has a really nice range especially with the 4 cell. Open the throttle and it really grooves, slow it down, drop the flaps and it crawls in. Forget that Extra, there are good ones out there :)
Commander is a sweet flying plane and on 4 cells is about perfect with a huge range of speed between full throttle and slow, full flaps flying. Can't go wrong with it.
Love the way it flies I'm not sure but My Rare Bear has 70 amp esc with a 1200kv .15 motor and I fly it on 4s to 6s the 900Kv .15 should be fine for with a 4s Thanks for the video!
First, OMG, great to see this on 4s and your advice on running it this way. Would be interesting to see if the stock ESC would handle or cook under load.
If you use the stock definitely prop it down and put it on a wattmeter first to see what you are pulling static. That esc just looks cheap and sketchy to me.
Have you had any issues with the stock servos? I LOVE the looks of this plane, but reading the discussion about it on RCG, it seems several people have had servo failures.
You can get an inbetween power level with just upgrading the motor to a BL15 1260kv on 3s with 11x6 prop or for more speed 10x10 ...the stock esc can handle it for full throttle in bursts
Nice upgrade to a well designed plane. One question. The 60 amp esc is apparently mounted beside the battery. Is it in some kind of holder? And how did you lengthen the output wire to the motor? Thanks again for your videos. Larry
Hi I just upgraded my ESC to an Aerostar 50amp to take the 4S battery . Do you think 50amp is enough ? Do you think I can keep the prop or I should get an 11x7 prop ? Thanks
Yes I think that was with flaps and pretty much dead stick - normally though I would use a little power with full flaps down. It worked that time though.
I have both and both are great planes. I love my Valiant, it definitely is much easier to fly and still highly capable of maneuvers. The commander is great as well just a little more advanced, with the plane being a little more touchy. Both plains are incredible just depends on your skill level and comfort.
Mister Kenova cool, thanks for the response, I would say I'm a solid intermediate pilot looking to get into sport flying and aerobatics, I think I'm gonna get a Commander first but I'll probably wind up with both eventually lol
Is there any other prop you would suggest trying with the stock ESC and 3S batteries? Something that would give it more speed but still have good torque.
You'll probably get better performance just going to an apc e prop that is the same 12x8 as stock. I did end up needing an extra collet I had laying around and a different spinner with the apc on 4 cells.
Nope completely stock other than the battery I had about. 20mph wind going that day to, but since then on days with no wind I have gotten 100+mph on it.
Discover RC Thanks Buddy..👍 Other than the ring adapter and spacers was there anything else you needed to do to the prop to make it work with the stock spinner? Sorry about all the questions.. I have everything needed to do this upgrade on the way just didn't want to run into any issues.
Thank you so much for doing this video! Because of this, my Eflite Commander is set up this way as well and I also gave you credit in my Info Description in my Flight Video: th-cam.com/video/fGUCanhVv-A/w-d-xo.html
Im running a 10x8 Xaor on stock system and its much better than the 12x4, have you checked the motor temp after a run, you might be close to losing a magnet like the damn CZ motors are know for.
Discover RC yeah it's not like it would be a big loss laugh out loud I don't understand what's wrong with the CZ motor five minute mild flight in 75° weather and I can't leave my finger on it it's so hot. I'm setting up a sig cadet senior sport with a Hobby King motor that I may replace the carbon cub's with
my buddy's cz cub motor crapped a few magnets on the stock system. you would think this would have come up in qc at some point :(. Maybe I'll see if I have an old Hacker motor the right size - that would make the plane purr.
I think the stock CZC motor was drawing too many amps on the stock prop, 14x7 on it now stays nice and cool. Been flying the Commander with a 2200 4s and its doing great.
High Amps will kill motors ... loosen up magnets and bearings...those stock BL motors they put in this plane as well as the pulse 15e are pure garbage ....the other BL motors seem to be reliable
Great video man. Thanks for posting. Greetings from Slovenia, Pilot Robert
thanks Robert! Greetings to you!
Great flight. The Commander looks fast. Smooth and nice landing! 👌
thanks RA! very happy with it! :)
The 4c really makes the commander fly beautifully. Great job DRC.
it really comes alive with it :). Makes me wonder if it would just be better coming as a 4 cell plane out of the box. :)
Happy St. Patricks Day! Nice upgrades! I really do like the look of red planes in the air. That color scheme is perfect against the blue sky. Time for you to get that Messerschmitt 163 or one of those MIGs :)
Hey Robert! Yes red is good especially the checkerboard. It's really easy to keep track of this one in the sky. Man I'd like to get a lot of planes that are out there, but have to pick and choose.
I definitely hear ya. I have already had one big purging to make room for new remote control things in the garage. I need to be more picky these days. Hopefully you have room for an 1/8th scale buggy :)
Ive had quite a few Servos fail in this plane. Rudder Servo especially
That thing floats like a leaf. I get the impression it is a very light plane. It looks great! I like how it climbs. Just goes to show you,thinking outside the box is a great idea. I have a balsa 300 Extra electric that I crashed last year,the damn thing was not a good flyer in my book anyways. Heavy as all hell. I have been staying away from sport planes because of that plane.
hey Scott - this plane has a really nice range especially with the 4 cell. Open the throttle and it really grooves, slow it down, drop the flaps and it crawls in. Forget that Extra, there are good ones out there :)
scott firman this is just over 4 lbs
Jon I'll been thinking of buying this model to replace my Apprentice 15e. Still flying the Opterra though.
Commander is a sweet flying plane and on 4 cells is about perfect with a huge range of speed between full throttle and slow, full flaps flying. Can't go wrong with it.
Love the way it flies I'm not sure but My Rare Bear has 70 amp esc with a 1200kv .15 motor and I fly it on 4s to 6s the 900Kv .15 should be fine for with a 4s Thanks for the video!
nice - yeah I think it should be good. I've got better motors so if it fails will swap it out.
First, OMG, great to see this on 4s and your advice on running it this way. Would be interesting to see if the stock ESC would handle or cook under load.
If you use the stock definitely prop it down and put it on a wattmeter first to see what you are pulling static. That esc just looks cheap and sketchy to me.
@@DiscoverRC I ran 4s on my pulse 15e same motor and stock 40amp esc and it can take it but you have to prop down to a 10x7 pulls about 50amps
discover rc can you please show or tell me how to install the apc 11x7 prop!
Thanks. Again, great video. L
Have you had any issues with the stock servos? I LOVE the looks of this plane, but reading the discussion about it on RCG, it seems several people have had servo failures.
been fine so far. Haven't had any issues so far with e-flite servos. But I am sure a bad one does occasionally find it's way into a plane.
The thing to do is hog out the Batt. compartment with your Dremel & rub some Epoxy over the cuts, adding strength.
why - the battery compartment is plenty big already and there is no need to add strength in that area.
I'm going to have to try a 4s. The plane is really underpowered imo on 3s.
yeah it comes alive with the 4 cell.
You can get an inbetween power level with just upgrading the motor to a BL15 1260kv on 3s with 11x6 prop or for more speed 10x10 ...the stock esc can handle it for full throttle in bursts
Nice upgrade to a well designed plane. One question. The 60 amp esc is apparently mounted beside the battery. Is it in some kind of holder? And how did you lengthen the output wire to the motor? Thanks again for your videos. Larry
Hi Larry - the esc is just velcroed in place. The wires are just as they come - nothing lengthened.
Hi
I just upgraded my ESC to an Aerostar 50amp to take the 4S battery .
Do you think 50amp is enough ?
Do you think I can keep the prop or I should get an 11x7 prop ?
Thanks
Hello, does the switch to 4S affect the motor? I just found one secondhand and have a Spare 80amp esc in my toolbox.....:-))))))
nice landing. ...were flaps used?....dead stick or some power ?
Yes I think that was with flaps and pretty much dead stick - normally though I would use a little power with full flaps down. It worked that time though.
I'm on the fence about getting the Commander or the Valiant....which do you prefer?
well I would say the Commander - such a solid plane. Set it up on 4s and it rips!
I have both and both are great planes. I love my Valiant, it definitely is much easier to fly and still highly capable of maneuvers. The commander is great as well just a little more advanced, with the plane being a little more touchy. Both plains are incredible just depends on your skill level and comfort.
Mister Kenova cool, thanks for the response, I would say I'm a solid intermediate pilot looking to get into sport flying and aerobatics, I think I'm gonna get a Commander first but I'll probably wind up with both eventually lol
Sweet! Can't go wrong with either :)
Do you think the 60amp esc you upgraded to will work with a 6cell lipo?
What's the largest 4s that you can put in this and have it CG correctly and fly with
Is there any other prop you would suggest trying with the stock ESC and 3S batteries? Something that would give it more speed but still have good torque.
You'll probably get better performance just going to an apc e prop that is the same 12x8 as stock. I did end up needing an extra collet I had laying around and a different spinner with the apc on 4 cells.
What collet and spinner did you use?
I USED A PROP ADAPTER COLLET AND THE ORIGINAL SPINNER I HAD TO SHAVE JUST SLIGHTLY TO GET THE 11X7 IN THERE.
You can use a 10x10 on 3s if you want more top end speed
nice video, but I have to ask did the 15 size motor get really hot when you flew it
it doesn't get too hot; flown it quite a few times on 4 cells with no problems.
Why did you go down in prop size?
45 Amp is more than Adequate for a 4s Battery
Could you tell me what spinner set up you used to work with that prop??
Ever find out how many amps this setup is pulling?
I just clocked my commander doing 116mph on 4s!
No way with the stock motor ....maybe if you put a 1200+ kv with a 9x9 prop
Nope completely stock other than the battery I had about. 20mph wind going that day to, but since then on days with no wind I have gotten 100+mph on it.
did you have any trouble installing the apc prop? my apc prob is not as thick as the stock one.
I think I needed to use one of the ring adapters and a small spacer to get it in front of the cowl.
Discover RC Does the ring adapter come with the E- prop?
yes APC E props come with ring adapters
Discover RC Thanks Buddy..👍 Other than the ring adapter and spacers was there anything else you needed to do to the prop to make it work with the stock spinner? Sorry about all the questions.. I have everything needed to do this upgrade on the way just didn't want to run into any issues.
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Thank you so much for doing this video! Because of this, my Eflite Commander is set up this way as well and I also gave you credit in my Info Description in my Flight Video: th-cam.com/video/fGUCanhVv-A/w-d-xo.html
checked it out - grooving nicely man! Awesome stuff!
what are the specs and brand
of the new esc ?
Do you think you could tell me the exact esc and prop you used?
esc is an e-flite 60 amp pro SB (EFLA1060B) and prop is 11x7 APC E.
Thank you!
Running stock A330R servos?
yes
I wanna buy one. maybe they`ll sell me one, for the price of two? best deals.. :-Dnice mods. cheers!
i get even better deals now, price of 3! I know you must be jealous...it's ok. ;)
Im running a 10x8 Xaor on stock system and its much better than the 12x4, have you checked the motor temp after a run, you might be close to losing a magnet like the damn CZ motors are know for.
just did the one short flight so far - will keep an eye on the motor as it is the only weak link now. I do have better motors in case it falls apart.
Discover RC yeah it's not like it would be a big loss laugh out loud I don't understand what's wrong with the CZ motor five minute mild flight in 75° weather and I can't leave my finger on it it's so hot. I'm setting up a sig cadet senior sport with a Hobby King motor that I may replace the carbon cub's with
my buddy's cz cub motor crapped a few magnets on the stock system. you would think this would have come up in qc at some point :(. Maybe I'll see if I have an old Hacker motor the right size - that would make the plane purr.
I think the stock CZC motor was drawing too many amps on the stock prop, 14x7 on it now stays nice and cool. Been flying the Commander with a 2200 4s and its doing great.
High Amps will kill motors ... loosen up magnets and bearings...those stock BL motors they put in this plane as well as the pulse 15e are pure garbage ....the other BL motors seem to be reliable