I love this. This is the "Art Of" she'll never get. You covered the most important things, even the extra ending lag of the smashes on shield. The only relevant thing missing is the angle of dabk changing on grounded /aerial opponents.
I think another thing to mention is that Bayonetta has poor frame data in comparison to the rest of the cast, meaning she is generally slower and some of her moves (most notably her Smash attacks) will clash with the moves of other characters, including weaker moves like jabs and tilts. Like Witch Time, you want to save these when kills are confirmed. Her Smash attack charge modifier is weaker than the rest of the roster's (along with Mega Man and Olimar's Smash attacks), reinforcing the fact that you should use these attacks when you know you will capitalize off of them without receiving hard punishment/whiff them due to bad frame data (also, do take note that she is no longer a midweight character and that she is now a lightweight character, meaning that she is more susceptible to spikes, etc./generally dies more quickly). Speaking of Witch Time, it is much laggier than it was in Smash 4, meaning that you have to use it preemptively rather than at the last second of enemy attacks since it takes an awfully long time for its active frames to work... it does have much more end-lag now, so do make sure to use it in ways that won't get you punished if you fail to activate it (such as off-stage below a character with a spiking down-air or next to an opponent charging a Smash attack). Also, successfully countering an opponent doesn't stop their attack/negate their priority, so if Witch Time lasts long enough, you want to either use a weaker move, like a jab or tilt, to cancel their active frames before punishing or charge up a Smash attack to wait out their active frames. The final thing I want to mention about Witch Time is that it is much more reliable when countering projectiles now than it was before and that it will turn certain enemy projectiles into Bayonetta's (so it can damage enemies if they're in range of said countered projectile). Lastly, although it was mentioned in the video (albeit in a slightly negative connotation), Bayonetta's extended Bullet Arts do have some degree of hit-stun, meaning that some moves can completely derail an opponent's attempt at punishing you for certain things. For example, while using her down-air on shield is ill-advised, extending the move and using the Bullet Arts of it will occasionally force an opponent back if they drop their shield to approach you. This only works to a certain degree/inconsistently, so do use this carefully since it can be heavily punished if whiffed.
@@FrenzyLight Thanks! Your video is easily understandable and highly informative, so I thought to add my two cents (as a dedicated Bayonetta main/enthusiast) for those who enjoy reading comments/discussing as much as I do.
Yeah.Honestly my main pain is her frame data,and i don't main her.She has to play aggressive with like 9-10 frames(sometimes more) of start up on all her normals when other characters like sonic(my main) have MUCH faster and more consistent attacks and is still execuse for camping with "not good enough frame data"
A few things I should add: ~ Bayonetta's weight is one of her cons. While it may help her achieve combos, it still sends her flying on many different moves (which kinda doesn't make sense bc in her games she's like 500 pounds). ~ Bayonetta's Down Air can be used when you get launched to an upper corner of the screen. It's a good stalling move and also a quick way to send you closer to the stage. ~ Her down air can also remove landing lag (not recommended when you haven't used your 4 recoveries). ~ Her Side Smash can now kill a lot. ~ Down Throw can be combo'd into Neutral Air, and Side Tilt can be combo'd into Forward Air. ~ Bayonetta will not grab a ledge until one of her recovery moves is done. ~ Bayonetta's weakness is Pikachu and her advantage varies depending on how you play her.
I do not understand why this video deserves a single dislike. There was nothing wrong with it and it is very helpful. Maybe we have some baycists on TH-cam!
Very nice video guide. Despite how much I play this character, I feel like I still learn new things whenever I hear others discussing her and looking at different utilization of her combo game. I guess that's a testament to how wonderfully creative of a character she is in this game.
Fun fact about her counter: using it on projectiles can cause them to hit someone that isn't her or the opponent who used it, so it really only applies to no ff doubles like online games
As a Bayo player, this is an accurate explanation of the character. Intro saying weak neutral idk lol I feel she has a very strong neutral. While there are ridiculous exceptions on the roster, some on shield options are not safe period for any character. End lag aside and the fact she doesn't break shields. Pressuring someone out of shield is her unique form of shield pressure. What she does mentally to an opponent and how fast she can force you into Okizeme with proper positioning around your opponents shield. threatening on sheild and punishing out of sheild options becomes S tier with experience.
I agree, she needs more damage potential. The character has a high skill ceiling (imo) but I guess part of her kit is to tilt the other player. Who wouldn't get tilted getting ko'd by a bunch of follow up combos not being able to do anything about it.
Not to much though. Imo, her struggling to kill needs to be some sort of weakness of hers because of how quickly she can rack up damage off hitting one of her very fast specials, but the way it is rn is just absurd. She can’t kill until 170+ percent on average.
the montage at the end was pretty much just her comboing off the top, nothing very creative... but this guide as a whole is pretty good. bayonetta is surprisingly satisfying.
One thing I don't see anybody talk about regarding Bayonetta is her ledge jump. If she gets it, she can kill her opponent that basically any percent by following up with either a jump cancelled Witch Twist or an abk.
GreenThePhantom keep in mind that it’s fairly situational, as the time it takes to go through with the Witch Time animation is actually longer than your maximum landing lag. Really helpful against jugglers though.
5:55 I'm having trouble doing the Up+B -> Jump -> Up+B sequence. I'm too slow doing the 2nd Up+B. I don't know how to do the sequence much faster so it can all connect and looks fluent.
Imo setting trigger buttons ruins my gameplay as a Bayo player. For me (not most people), it's easier for me to turn off stick jump and use the X/Y buttons as my jump.
*note Witch twist jump cancelling is not directly after the first up into the second, it is actually directly (about 3 frames) BEFORE the second upb. So you can mix up recovery by uping, drifting down or side b, then jump cancelling witch twist to retain your second jump.
Actually, you can jump cancel twice. I recently learnt this when watching a Japanese bayo combo video. I couldn't understand why one of the combos wasn't working, till I looked closer and noticed that he was jump cancelling both up bs! It's hard to time, but it's so useful! And you can still keep the jump afterwards.
@@sorafowler4497 I'll try to find it! I noticed because I saw the animation of jump cancelling (the little white circles in the air) right before the first up b. I was shook! When I tried it, it actually makes the combos connect easier for some reason
@@sorafowler4497 I can't find the Japanese one as I don't remember what the title was. However, at 0:25 you can see how cap zack jump cancels the first up b and how his combo connects thanks to that. Hope you find it useful! th-cam.com/video/I-3-aK7yzT0/w-d-xo.html You can also jump cancel twice after using a full hop. Try it on training mode. You should full hop, up b (jump cancel), up b (jump cancel) and jump again. It'll take a few tries and I don't recommend doing it online due to the input lag. She also gains a bit of extra vertical reach when done successfully.
That I know, but: 1. If you land Ftilt 1, nothing is true after 2. If you Landed Ftilt in a situation, you should also have Landed Either Jab or Dtilt which does more and Dtilt can lead into combos. Though I actually would extremely want a buff for Bayo Ftilt.
The two things left are what stages you want to pick as Bayo, and which ones you want to ban (pls help) and possibly some Witch Time setups. Otherwise an excellent video! .. but, really, what about stages? I wish I had an idea.
Sorry you haven't gotten a response yet! Bayonetta is extremely good on Battlefield stages, stages with platforms that are above the stage, or stages with high ground. With her, your goal is to get your opponent(s) far away from the center as much as possible.
Now this was the kind of guide I've been searching for all this time. I know this is late, but thank you so much for the hard work! There's so much I've been lacking in knowledge that this has all uncovered for me with your help. If I may ask, how do you get those fancy slow mo moving still frames without the frame axis appearing in the middle?
Kintuse If you go on my channel and find «How to make Smash bros Cinematics» I’ve Made a video showing it. I’m Fully open for helping out people when it comes to editing so Ask away Buddy 🥳
Does anyone know how exactly to do witch twist-jump-witch twist as a combo? I can sometimes do it but not consistently. I’m just confused on how/what to input.
How do you link the last up-B into forward air (as a combo finisher)? Every time I try this, the up b has end lag and the opponent gets knocked out of range
Try not to hold down the B button. Holding it down gives the bullet arts variation of witch twist which has end lag. Just pushing up-B once and letting go quickly can allow you to follow up with a F-air quickly and pay attention to the mini-map when you and the opponent get into the blast zone.
@@darc5925 I figured it had something to do with that. Sometimes I'll get both moves to come out fast enough but the hitboxes just don't connect, but I think this has more to do with up B's knockback
Frenzy Light okay ty😄I’m trying to be good with bayo and it’s harder than I thought😭the witch time gets punished big time even if you land it tbh because it’s so short
i have a question. do u have stick jump on? i can't play without it, but it's also bothering me a lot when i want to recover or when i want to put an up tilt. she always jumps.
Attack with c stick. That way you can move to the side with your left stick and input attack with c. This way you can also move one way and input back air to the other.
Well, im not sure i can give a super in depth explanation, but ill tell you how to use bat within. There are 2 ways to use it, one way is a late Witch Time, where a little bit after activating Witch Time, and you get hit, Bat Within will activate and you'll avoid the attack for half the damage. The other way is, right when youre about to be hit by a move, spot dodge or just press shield. Thisll activate bat within, and whichever way you shielded/dodged, you'll reappear in that direction (i.e, if you spot dodge, youll bat within in place, while if you dodge to the left, youll appear. Well, to the left.) For half the damage as well. Hoped that helped :)
Why you're playing S4, I won't question. But its the same way you connect it in ultimate. Im assuming you're attempting to connect witch twist 2. A neat trick you can use while above the stage and comboing is: upb > side b > jump(very quickly) > side b > up b. You can also use: side b > up b > jump (quickly again) >side b, up b
I love this. This is the "Art Of" she'll never get.
You covered the most important things, even the extra ending lag of the smashes on shield. The only relevant thing missing is the angle of dabk changing on grounded /aerial opponents.
Truly the best Bayonetta guide I've ever seen
Shut up he just tells you what the moves do doesn’t even teach you how to combo or how it works
@@Drakedagoatnocap 4 months late but why so angry lol.
Bcuz it's one of the few ones out there lawl
I appreciate the note at the end of the description! Thanks for having me on, I'd be glad to do this again sometime in the future :)
Sonic guide when?
@@frisky6969 Lol
@@frisky6969 spam the b button
I think another thing to mention is that Bayonetta has poor frame data in comparison to the rest of the cast, meaning she is generally slower and some of her moves (most notably her Smash attacks) will clash with the moves of other characters, including weaker moves like jabs and tilts. Like Witch Time, you want to save these when kills are confirmed. Her Smash attack charge modifier is weaker than the rest of the roster's (along with Mega Man and Olimar's Smash attacks), reinforcing the fact that you should use these attacks when you know you will capitalize off of them without receiving hard punishment/whiff them due to bad frame data (also, do take note that she is no longer a midweight character and that she is now a lightweight character, meaning that she is more susceptible to spikes, etc./generally dies more quickly).
Speaking of Witch Time, it is much laggier than it was in Smash 4, meaning that you have to use it preemptively rather than at the last second of enemy attacks since it takes an awfully long time for its active frames to work... it does have much more end-lag now, so do make sure to use it in ways that won't get you punished if you fail to activate it (such as off-stage below a character with a spiking down-air or next to an opponent charging a Smash attack). Also, successfully countering an opponent doesn't stop their attack/negate their priority, so if Witch Time lasts long enough, you want to either use a weaker move, like a jab or tilt, to cancel their active frames before punishing or charge up a Smash attack to wait out their active frames. The final thing I want to mention about Witch Time is that it is much more reliable when countering projectiles now than it was before and that it will turn certain enemy projectiles into Bayonetta's (so it can damage enemies if they're in range of said countered projectile).
Lastly, although it was mentioned in the video (albeit in a slightly negative connotation), Bayonetta's extended Bullet Arts do have some degree of hit-stun, meaning that some moves can completely derail an opponent's attempt at punishing you for certain things. For example, while using her down-air on shield is ill-advised, extending the move and using the Bullet Arts of it will occasionally force an opponent back if they drop their shield to approach you. This only works to a certain degree/inconsistently, so do use this carefully since it can be heavily punished if whiffed.
mumsky the mums This is such a good thread, so I hope people Reads this comment
@@FrenzyLight Thanks! Your video is easily understandable and highly informative, so I thought to add my two cents (as a dedicated Bayonetta main/enthusiast) for those who enjoy reading comments/discussing as much as I do.
Yeah.Honestly my main pain is her frame data,and i don't main her.She has to play aggressive with like 9-10 frames(sometimes more) of start up on all her normals when other characters like sonic(my main) have MUCH faster and more consistent attacks and is still execuse for camping with "not good enough frame data"
A few things I should add:
~ Bayonetta's weight is one of her cons. While it may help her achieve combos, it still sends her flying on many different moves (which kinda doesn't make sense bc in her games she's like 500 pounds).
~ Bayonetta's Down Air can be used when you get launched to an upper corner of the screen. It's a good stalling move and also a quick way to send you closer to the stage.
~ Her down air can also remove landing lag (not recommended when you haven't used your 4 recoveries).
~ Her Side Smash can now kill a lot.
~ Down Throw can be combo'd into Neutral Air, and Side Tilt can be combo'd into Forward Air.
~ Bayonetta will not grab a ledge until one of her recovery moves is done.
~ Bayonetta's weakness is Pikachu and her advantage varies depending on how you play her.
How the fuck is she 500 pounds? She looks like 150 max
@@yungmuney5903 I think it’s because of her height.
I guess they updated it, it used to say 500 but now it says 210.
I do not understand why this video deserves a single dislike. There was nothing wrong with it and it is very helpful. Maybe we have some baycists on TH-cam!
WarlockObsessed Thank you so much ❤️
Theyre probably from people who got PTSD of Sm4sh Bayo.
What dislike
Very nice video guide. Despite how much I play this character, I feel like I still learn new things whenever I hear others discussing her and looking at different utilization of her combo game. I guess that's a testament to how wonderfully creative of a character she is in this game.
Fun fact about her counter: using it on projectiles can cause them to hit someone that isn't her or the opponent who used it, so it really only applies to no ff doubles like online games
Cool it did not know that. Because I hardly use witch time.
Holy m...
This video is so well done.
All the screenshots between are sooooo good
Wow, very impressive guide. I did not expect to see a good Bayonetta guide that Id approve of. Outstanding job the both of you
tysm for the montage 😍 keep up the good work
Great guide. Straight guys playing bayo in ultimate are also a rare sight ^^
Izaw thought he had “art of” videos monopolized. The comp is here
I'd like to see an updated version of this video (because Bayo is buffed)
Yeah, her side smash can kill pretty early now
OMG I just noticed that he got 0 dislikes !!!
This is the proof that you are the BEST !!!
This is amazing oml
Yeah, this is very Useful
As a Bayo player, this is an accurate explanation of the character. Intro saying weak neutral idk lol I feel she has a very strong neutral. While there are ridiculous exceptions on the roster, some on shield options are not safe period for any character. End lag aside and the fact she doesn't break shields. Pressuring someone out of shield is her unique form of shield pressure. What she does mentally to an opponent and how fast she can force you into Okizeme with proper positioning around your opponents shield. threatening on sheild and punishing out of sheild options becomes S tier with experience.
This is a great guide to Bayo. It's also fucking beautiful. I don't understand why this has 13 dislikes.
down throw can combo into a fair1 and fair 2 chain at like 35%
Bayo needs a buff... Gifs her some kill options im tired of having to chase people down and +120 for a kill while i get killed at 60
She really needs more power.
Her smash attacks are so weak compared to the rest of the characters.
I agree, she needs more damage potential. The character has a high skill ceiling (imo) but I guess part of her kit is to tilt the other player. Who wouldn't get tilted getting ko'd by a bunch of follow up combos not being able to do anything about it.
Not to much though. Imo, her struggling to kill needs to be some sort of weakness of hers because of how quickly she can rack up damage off hitting one of her very fast specials, but the way it is rn is just absurd. She can’t kill until 170+ percent on average.
8.0 👌
the montage at the end was pretty much just her comboing off the top, nothing very creative... but this guide as a whole is pretty good. bayonetta is surprisingly satisfying.
That's the point I think,killing of the top is her main kill option.
One thing I don't see anybody talk about regarding Bayonetta is her ledge jump. If she gets it, she can kill her opponent that basically any percent by following up with either a jump cancelled Witch Twist or an abk.
I didn't know that down b cancels landing lag ok I'll use that more often then
GreenThePhantom keep in mind that it’s fairly situational, as the time it takes to go through with the Witch Time animation is actually longer than your maximum landing lag. Really helpful against jugglers though.
Witch time has 66 frames of endlag,LMAO.
@@resean2727 It's better if you use it higher in the air
this's super good thx
5:55 I'm having trouble doing the Up+B -> Jump -> Up+B sequence. I'm too slow doing the 2nd Up+B. I don't know how to do the sequence much faster so it can all connect and looks fluent.
Stop holding the B button. Let go of it after you hit the first up and then you can mash it again to immediately link the 2nd one.
Set one of the trigger buttons to jump. That way your thumb can stay on the B button the whole time
Imo setting trigger buttons ruins my gameplay as a Bayo player. For me (not most people), it's easier for me to turn off stick jump and use the X/Y buttons as my jump.
Thanks, good tips!
*note Witch twist jump cancelling is not directly after the first up into the second, it is actually directly (about 3 frames) BEFORE the second upb. So you can mix up recovery by uping, drifting down or side b, then jump cancelling witch twist to retain your second jump.
Actually, you can jump cancel twice. I recently learnt this when watching a Japanese bayo combo video. I couldn't understand why one of the combos wasn't working, till I looked closer and noticed that he was jump cancelling both up bs! It's hard to time, but it's so useful! And you can still keep the jump afterwards.
@@nicolegalhardi7452 Is that how mklep essentially did the 4 jumps at the invitational? Can you link the video?
@@sorafowler4497 I'll try to find it! I noticed because I saw the animation of jump cancelling (the little white circles in the air) right before the first up b. I was shook! When I tried it, it actually makes the combos connect easier for some reason
@@sorafowler4497 I can't find the Japanese one as I don't remember what the title was. However, at 0:25 you can see how cap zack jump cancels the first up b and how his combo connects thanks to that. Hope you find it useful! th-cam.com/video/I-3-aK7yzT0/w-d-xo.html
You can also jump cancel twice after using a full hop. Try it on training mode. You should full hop, up b (jump cancel), up b (jump cancel) and jump again. It'll take a few tries and I don't recommend doing it online due to the input lag. She also gains a bit of extra vertical reach when done successfully.
i was watching this expecting to know everything but damn i had no idea down b cancels landing lag thanks for this guide
I haven't tested it yet but I think her Down air cancels landing lag (if she lands properly)
if its one thing i want, its witch time to have faster startup, and either last longer or make her not be able to be hit after activation
One thing not mentioned but helpful to know is that you can cancel the first hit of Ftilt into another move.
That I know, but:
1. If you land Ftilt 1, nothing is true after
2. If you Landed Ftilt in a situation, you should also have Landed Either Jab or Dtilt which does more and Dtilt can lead into combos.
Though I actually would extremely want a buff for Bayo Ftilt.
I would be so happy if you could do one on Cloud
thanks
The two things left are what stages you want to pick as Bayo, and which ones you want to ban (pls help) and possibly some Witch Time setups. Otherwise an excellent video!
.. but, really, what about stages? I wish I had an idea.
Sorry you haven't gotten a response yet!
Bayonetta is extremely good on Battlefield stages, stages with platforms that are above the stage, or stages with high ground. With her, your goal is to get your opponent(s) far away from the center as much as possible.
Im watching this until it makes my brain go numb
Now this was the kind of guide I've been searching for all this time. I know this is late, but thank you so much for the hard work! There's so much I've been lacking in knowledge that this has all uncovered for me with your help. If I may ask, how do you get those fancy slow mo moving still frames without the frame axis appearing in the middle?
Kintuse If you go on my channel and find «How to make Smash bros Cinematics» I’ve Made a video showing it. I’m Fully open for helping out people when it comes to editing so Ask away Buddy 🥳
Bayo needs a buff
Agreed
She got buffs yay
Not gonna mention holding the attacks activates guns?
Fun fact: F-Tilt is a viable move now
Please elaborate
@@skybubbles2637 A while back the made F tilt a bit faster which makes it abit easier to follow up
Bayonetta discord? Can I get the invite link?
Does anyone know how exactly to do witch twist-jump-witch twist as a combo? I can sometimes do it but not consistently. I’m just confused on how/what to input.
after the first witch twist you have to jump and input witch twist 1-3 frames in. takes some muscle memory
@coldramen okay thanks. I’ve just been mashing jump and up-b and it sometimes works
How do you link the last up-B into forward air (as a combo finisher)? Every time I try this, the up b has end lag and the opponent gets knocked out of range
I have the same issue, if someone knows please let us know
Try not to hold down the B button. Holding it down gives the bullet arts variation of witch twist which has end lag. Just pushing up-B once and letting go quickly can allow you to follow up with a F-air quickly and pay attention to the mini-map when you and the opponent get into the blast zone.
@@darc5925 I figured it had something to do with that. Sometimes I'll get both moves to come out fast enough but the hitboxes just don't connect, but I think this has more to do with up B's knockback
Thumbs up
Do one for Sonic next
How to you turn around in mid air ????
U didn't explain how hard up air is to use 🤷♀️
It's easy to use
Can you do a tutorial on when to witch time? Pls
I can write it down for you 😊 Might make it in the future, but I currently have some projects ongoing
Frenzy Light okay ty😄I’m trying to be good with bayo and it’s harder than I thought😭the witch time gets punished big time even if you land it tbh because it’s so short
Richard N Rios yeah
No one:...
Smash : GAAME
I wanna be really good but i dont use tilts
Switch your control setting so that the stick will input tilts instead of Smash attacks
i have a question. do u have stick jump on? i can't play without it, but it's also bothering me a lot when i want to recover or when i want to put an up tilt. she always jumps.
How do you manage to connect up airs as bayo consistently?
Attack with c stick. That way you can move to the side with your left stick and input attack with c. This way you can also move one way and input back air to the other.
@@slipknotfya Thanks
@@slipknotfya oooooh. I never thought of that.
@@janmarcoperezbatres2203 ;v
play smash 4
Cons super light weight
1:32 how ?
Uair and bair how ? Me ever fair
Can someone please give a more in depth explanation of what/how to use bat within?
Well, im not sure i can give a super in depth explanation, but ill tell you how to use bat within. There are 2 ways to use it, one way is a late Witch Time, where a little bit after activating Witch Time, and you get hit, Bat Within will activate and you'll avoid the attack for half the damage. The other way is, right when youre about to be hit by a move, spot dodge or just press shield. Thisll activate bat within, and whichever way you shielded/dodged, you'll reappear in that direction (i.e, if you spot dodge, youll bat within in place, while if you dodge to the left, youll appear. Well, to the left.) For half the damage as well.
Hoped that helped :)
How do you do witch twist twice while going up
It’s a tight input but you need to UpB immedietly on your second jump
How do you do the side special going downwards in the air I'm never able to do it
⬇️↘️➡️ + B
You press down right before or after using your side b
I am training, Can someone explain to me how connetc the witch twist in SSB4
Why you're playing S4, I won't question. But its the same way you connect it in ultimate. Im assuming you're attempting to connect witch twist 2. A neat trick you can use while above the stage and comboing is: upb > side b > jump(very quickly) > side b > up b.
You can also use: side b > up b > jump (quickly again) >side b, up b
@@sorafowler4497 I do not have a Switch yet that is why and I tried to say the heel twist I think I can not complete a combo
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this is hard :(
Worst character in ultimate. Inconsistent combos and no kill moves on top of bad hitboxes
She’s not great but she’s definitely not the worst lol
No you
That’s also because you can’t play her too
salt
So why people now put her in mid tier?
That song was unnecessary