I made a bet with thujan. He says that if this video gets over 500 likes, I have to make videos talking about individual components I've listened to over the years.
All the musicians i know love/own Yamaha and i know quite a few of them in my line of work...and i know it also has something to do with the fact they own musical instruments made by Yamaha. i highly doubt that Mcintosh suddenly became the musician's favorite.
I’ve watched you’re videos on a variety of equipment including the one you critiqued on the Devialet. Which is the reason I asked for you’re opinion being you’re final words were you thought it to be something to invest in, and I haven’t listened to a Mac in years.
I took a 4 hour drive to the McIntosh factory for a tour with my wife in 2015. The great thing about their components is they can service and restore any model from any year which is rare. They let me photograph anything I wanted which was a plus.
A little history lesson. The Carver transfer function amplifiers 1.0t and 1.5 t were not tailored to imitate McIntosh, they were tailored to imitate Mark Levinson and Conrad Johnson. I owned a 1.0t. Lastly Mcintosh simply uses basic electronic principles that have been around since the 50's and 60's and builds them like a tank. Physics then and physics now are the same. They simply build pretty boxes that provide very large amounts of currents without distorting the signal. There is no magic, just good fundamental engineering applied to uncompromising build quality. Its called craftsmanship. No reason to reinvent the wheel if the wheel you came up with is essentially perfect.
Great video. I've owned Mcintosh gear, amp and pre-amp, since 2008 and I love them. They sound has kept me happy and content since day one. And they are reliable work horses that I keep on all night every night and the only thing I change the tubes in the pre-,amp from time to time. Very happy owner 😊
I was getting ready to disagree with a post raving about McIntosh. Until I heard the order and comment you make about it. #1 Resale value. Great first reason since sound quality is not it! I can actually agree with this! Screw sound, it's a financial investment! #2 McIntosh sound. Yes, it is not about superior sonic performance. It is about the well known sonic anomalies expected. Something LIKE a good tube amp. If that is what you enjoy, knock yourself out! #3 "Your buying it for the meters". Almost spit my mouth full of coffee out on this one! I was a Rep back in the '70's for top branded Audio equipment travelling 6 states. One Mac shop I called on had the best explanation when asked why they sell it. It was a college town. When a guy with a trimmed beard walks in with patches on their sweater he leads them to the Macs, turns it on and when the big blue meters shine, the guy just pulls out his check book! #4 transformers. HK's Citation had a much wider bandwidth transformer. Dynaco's sounded better. Mac's screwed up the damping factor giving the fatter low end. And to intentionally do that to a solid state amp that not only does not need, but is worse with an output transformer just to give the "sound"? As I have gotten older, I find what I learned way back then to still be true. However I have become far more accepting with the concept that not everybody pursues the same subjects for the same reasons or with the same biases and desired end results. There is a reason McDonald's is the #1.
I’m a nube audiophile. Starting my search for a high end system. Every time I hear a Mac amp, I’m stopped in my tracks. This is how high end should sound is what I am thinking. I heard $2800 Sonus Faber speakers through the MA352 and I was in love.
You are a newbie I am a well season audio file If I would’ve just purchased Macintosh at the start, it would’ve save me 25 years of trying so many things and wasting so much money you get what you pay for. My search is over I’m done it’s that good.
I've also had the 352 & a pair of S-F Sonettos for 2 yrs. Love the sounds & the ability to vary my listening experiences, using the multi-band tone controls.
I love the content but I also really appreciate that you take the time to make you videos look and sound great. It's amazing how many audio related videos sound like crap.
I own a lot of Mc gear some inherited from my Dad. I agree with your comments. I have an MC2205 set up along side Pass Class A. There are so many reasons to own the Mc gear besides whether it sounds better than X. ... because, let’s face it, sometimes it doesn’t sound better.
Typically I don’t comment on videos. I don’t know this person. I should disclose we are a McIntosh Reference Platinum dealer for many years. As a McIntosh fan for 55 years I have enjoyed McIntosh and other very great brands. This commentary is a very good introduction to the McIntosh legacy. Very accurate overview.
Years ago Bob Carver made a challenge to the audio industry in general that he could make any one of his amplifiers sound like any other manufacturer's amplifier regardless of cost. I forget what the prize was if he lost the challenge was if he failed, but I recall it was a hefty sum. Many trials have been held and he never lost one comparison. The challenge stands to this day. Basically, he did it by measuring and employing the transfer function (or null comparisons) of the test amp and his amp. This is the short answer, there's more here: And here was Carver in 1985 cleverly showing that two amplifiers which measured reasonably well, sounded differently. We should also be in awe of Carver's ability to shape the transfer function on the fly. That's pretty remarkable too but not the scope of this post. My point is, really, Carver showed us a revolutionary way to examine differences between gear in 1985 and yet ... it did not become widespread. > As far as I know very few manufacturers of any bit of kit or cable took this technique up. We are still stuck in 1985 for specifications, measurements and lack of understanding of what measures cause what effects and end up cycling through cables and amps based on a great deal of uncertainty. Carver's approach was to feed a speaker via both amps at the same time using opposite terminals. The speaker itself was the measure of accuracy. Any difference in output between the two amplifiers would cause audible output. What's super important here is Carver invented a new way to measure the relative difference of amplifiers with a real load. My points, in summary: Most of what we consider state-of-the-art measurements are stuck in the 1970s. 1. There are a number of ways to improve upon them 2. No one has. 3. We should be a little more humble when asserting if it can't be measured it isn't audible because our measurements are not nearly comprehensive. I look forward to manufacturers or hobbyists to pursue new measurement and new insights into our hobby.
I have never regretted buying high quality anything, however, I have regretted several times buying low quality because I thought it would save me money, but it never did for more than a day, after the day you buy something on the cheap side, it starts to cost you. After years of dreaming about owning a McIntosh power amp, I finely got my chance, I bought some used gear and after a year, sold it and bought a new MC-602, 2 X 600 and then increased my Mac gear until my entire system is now McIntosh and I have loved it every day since and so does everyone that comes over, it's fun to show people what music can sound like, but I got it all for me. Save up, buy used at first if you need to, then move up to exactly what you want. I like the way I went with a big 2 channel amp for stereo listening and then got a 5 channel 5 X 200 for my surround sound movies and music, then a Mac sub woofer too. Found a MX 151 used for a great price, it can be done, if you really want it. They just don't break and hold value like nothing else out there. After 20 years, I can sale my amp for about what I paid for it new, but I never will.
I have a pair of MC30 monos I bought from the original owner in 1986 for $450 (which included a pair of EV Stereon 850s.) The Macs still make sumptuous music in 2022 (and worth between $3k to $4k today). Will purchase new C49 and MC152 gear this year. You can’t take it with you…but, perhaps the memories of those final delicious notes will linger. Great video, Jay! PS: Sorry, the MC30s are not for sale. 😎
Amazing! Mcintosh manufacture hi-fi components. Hi-fi components are primarily designed to faithfully reproduce audio. Yet, less than 8% of this video was dedicated to the Mcintosh sound. I’m damned glad I watched it at x2 speed. Bravo to TH-cam for that facility.
If you like that clean soft sound , McIntosh is the amp for you. If you prefer quick and punchy , Bryston might be a better choice. Sound is like food , everybody has different tastes.
Jay, I’ve got 2 vintage McIntosh amps. They are both from the mid 80s. MC2155 with output transformers (autoformers) and MC2002 direct coupled. Your description of the 2155 with the autoformer sounds exactly as you described. Luscious in the midrange and bass. The direct coupled 2002 is a bit different. It is very detailed and open. It’s bass is also a bit quicker too. It’s overall sound is still McIntosh because the midrange is still beautiful. Lastly, thanks for doing this video. McIntosh is rarely mentioned by TH-camrs.
In the 80’s I went to purchase a pair of speakers when I heard Macs for the first time, and I was instantly smitten. Still am today. I go to the stores, listen to other brands, come back home and turn on my Macs and I’m in heaven. Can’t imagine owning anything else
Nostalgia and innate (Bentley?) quality are my excuse for shelling out for the MA5300. I was introduced to Mc back in about 1959...and I guess they had been on the market for 10 years at that time. I thought they were beautiful to look at and beautiful to hear. Ironically, McIntosh "sound" is a very neutral and uncolored sound...you're hearing the truth of what is on the source material. I like that they are still almost hand made in New York...which alone makes them unique...Made in America is very very rare in the A/V industry. That fact that all the major electrical components are individually "auditioned" to be included in the box...very tight specs on components. It's just an anachronistic company and product...perhaps "expected" 50 or 60 years ago...but no longer. It took me over 60 years to reach the McIntosh pinnacle. I am not looking back.
Hey Jay, I got a good enough deal & purchased a McIntosh C49 entry-level Preamp & an MC152 Power Amp with Autoformers Output Transformers. I did not yet hear the power amp but I researched the heck out of it & it should drive my Qln Prestige Speakers quite well. Thanks Again, Regards, David-
I love your diagnosis. 😂 Let’s just say I bought a full McIntosh stereo system some years ago and it’s the best damn frigging money I’ve ever spent. No regrets here.
Hey Jay... Im 63 with involuntary "silver conductors" ... detail was much better in my 20/ 30/ 40's!!! Ive had "silver conductors" now for 15ish years... ??? Hopefully... I just need a little more "break in time"??? Enjoyed the Video!!!
Totally Agree, my dad owned MC2205 and C28, that's the best amplifier that he ever owned moreover Mcintosh can pretty much drive every speaker that I own It's can make it sing like never been before. My dad have Scansonic Speaker for many years but can't make it sing like he heard when it's on the store but when he hook it up with Mcintosh, It definitely nails it.
The thing I always heard decades ago was that doctors bought Mc. Well they could afford it after all. I may get a chance to get a Mc integrated amp some day. I had a Mc tuner once. And yes, I got it for the looks. As FM is a pretty secondary source now.
Yea, not a fan of Doctors owning Macs. I went into a Hi-Fi shop in fhe late 80's and saw a Mac 1700 receiver that I wanted so badly. I was young, did not have a lot of cash, the price was like $495 and I was told the Falmouth denist would not come down a penny on the price. Screw him. So now in 2022, I stumble upon a mint one at a steal. I waited 35+ years but happy to be the new owner of a Mac1700. I am glad it did not have a wood cabinet as the chrome and exterior are mint. I know the tuner throws off a lot of heat, and the cabinet ventalation is in the back so that does no justice. You don't really "own" the equipment, you are a caretaker for the next person in line..............
I'm not sure about the negative comments, colored, slow or whatever but my system sounds really and I mean really good, to me anyway. C2600, mono block mc275 mk vi, Tannoy Ardens, twin Rel s812's.
They’re just haters. Most people have negative comments shit they can’t afford and most have not even ever heard a McIntosh system. I love my McIntosh system. Could care less what anyone else says.
As a kid I recall laying on the floor of a local audio shop, listening to Mcintosh equipment playing on these huge speakers. Today it's Best Buy, thats it.
you mentioned Bob Carver, I own the Carver M500t power amp which I've had over 30 years. I would love to own a McIntosh amp but for now the Carver will have to do.
I don’t know, I enjoyed Mc gear for about 7 years but in the end cleared it out. I normally fall in love with gear and hang on to it for 20 years, not this time, firmware issues on a MA6600 drove me nuts, in my 60’s and was expected to keep dragging my 80lb. monster down to the dealership and leave it there for 4-6 weeks while they tried to find the problem. I replaced the Mc with a high end Luxman Class A intergraded and couldn’t be happier. I’m over the Flash that people are drawn to with McIntosh gear. 🤓
Hey Jay I think that your grey hair gives you a distinguished look that adds to your authority on all things McIntosh! Both have that vintage vibe that make them smooth operators! A tip of my hat to you for another excellent video! Thanks very much appreciated it.
My first "Audiophile" experience was a full set of McIntosh with a pair Illium. lol Yes, the Korean show "The Great and lonely God" had a nice Mac with 802 B&W.
@@robertbyington7715 If you're going to go by build quality alone, Hegel may be good, but they are not the best. Compared to Bryston's build quality, Hegel goes from a tank to a Jeep.
@@solarfall2728 You have to compare apples to apples based on overall cost and what you can expect for your money. What I’m saying is the Hegel 390 for $5600 will blow the doors off most amps costing 2/3 times as much and definitely has the build quality that can be lacking especially in MAC for 3/4 times the price. You kept taking about sound quality but that’s going to be just as apparent based on your cables and speakers as anything else. I still think the build quality on newer MACS just isn’t what it was 10/15 years ago. Most of the people who praised MACs have older equipment not the newer stuff. If you want to do a fair comparison open up the component and look at exactly what’s inside; instead of saying this sounds better. That’s what the Supreme Court said about pornography We don’t know what it is but we know it when we see it.
My Onkyo M504 purchased brand new for under $900.00 back in 1998 i still think is the most elegant looking amp ever made with the extra large meters, and fake rosewood side panels.... it may not sound like a Macintosh amplifier, but cost me far far less than anything like a Macintosh, and the M504 still looks nicer... however i would still like 1 of the older Technics amps with the even bigger meters than my Onkyo M504 lol...
Jay,the reasons you listed are dead on! It's why I owned Mac gear! Items owned in the past, Amps: Mc 240, 2505,2100,2105,2200,2205,2255,and two Mc 2300's.Preamps: MX 110,C 20,C 26,and C 28.Tuners: MR 74,78. So, I understand! The reason Mac stuff sounds different than most solid state gear is that they never abandoned the output transformer design only seen in tube amps,as you mentioned.It's also why they aren't as transparent as the well made direct coupled amps(class A or AB). I liquidated all my Mac gear 20 yrs ago.Most of it ended up in the Far East with all the vintage large JBL,Altec gear I sold. I ended up getting into Audio Research,Krell, Threshold,Dynaco, Heathkit,and for great bang for the buck amps(which I still use) Crown!
In your experience, why did you switch from McIntosh to other solid state brands? I’ve listened to the McIntosh MA5100 and I thought that the midrange was a bit recessed in comparison to/with my Parasound HCA-2205A. The parasound is superior! But the McIntosh has a very warm old school sound that is nice especially for LP’s. I can get the 5100 for about $800 right now if I want it but what would I use it for? I’m already addicted to the sound of my Parasound which is holographic and beautiful. It’s very powerful and sound absolutely incredible. I get the feeling that McIntosh is a good product but they are built on brand loyalty and HYPE. Am I correct? What are your opinions?
Even in my teens... There were women I wished I could have dated, there was audio equipment I wish I could have touched, owned and loved.... Yes... it was McIntosh.... big back side... and her meters were delicate and responsive.... She knew it... and her price was out of my reach... it still is.
Hi Jay I cannot comment about mackintosh gear however you did mention Bob Carver and I do have his Crimson 275 which I use to power B & W 803s which were formally run by a rotes or be 1080 which is 200 W per channel The difference was amazing and Carver just blew away the rotel and the rotel is really good Bob Carver also made a preamplifier which had his signature sonic holographic sound I also use this C-11 with the Carber amplifier and BNW speakers
I’m in the process of purchasing something relatively not too expensive, and was wondering what you thought about the Devialet rose gold Bluetooth speaker. I had a Macintosh years ago, but don’t remember what model I had, that’s how long ago it was. However I was thinking about possibly getting 2 of the Rose Gold Devialet’s at a little over $6,000 or maybe investing $10,000 for a Macintosh. What do you think about the comparisons in terms of sound n quality...? Would appreciate you’re input. Thanks in advance
The reason I ask is because if I get the Macintosh I’ll have to get good quality speakers to go with it, and I wouldn’t want to go over 12-13 thou for the both when I could get the 2 Devialet’s at half the price.
I have one of the early iterations of the gold phantoms. Love them for their sound, compactness (I was moving a lot when I bought them), versatility, simplicity, and the partner acceptance factor. I have had them for 4 plus years and other than wanting more phantoms - I would love to have a 5.5 setup - I have yet to suffer from “upgraditous,” Now, if I had no kids or older kids, was not moving, and had $12K to spend, I’d be looking for something other than the Devialet’s. I think.
@@willofomphalosgroomslll TBH, I have no idea because I would be trying all sorts of combinations, new/used, mono blocks tubes versus solid state stereo etc. and accordingly would likely defer to someone like Jay and rely upon his expertise and experience. That said, if I had $10K to dedicate just to an amp, I would be looking at the MC462.
Good and interesting points here. Interesting that the first point you made is resale value. Smooth, alluring, and liquid are terms you use, dark. Those are fine. The nostalgia aspect you mentioned is tradition. 3rd point is transformers and components related. Approved by musicians is slightly cult and tradition, but can be a warming good thing to be a part of, welcoming and seal of approval by other musicians. It is a bit like BMW and Porsche. Overall would love if you could talk more about the components and science. Gain knowledge of it, and ideas of circuitry, transformers.
One of the reason for the popularity is that being such an industry leader is so easy to research online. I only wish the styling wasn't so dated and garish, because it seems to be a product that fits my needs.
Jay. you should buy a copy of Forza 4,, purchase a Bentley and upgrade it. With four wheel drive the car is capable of 220 MPH. ( So what if it's just a game! You should trust alll of the downloadable games @ Microsoft.) And by the way, your videos are quite educational ! Keep up the Great work.
I guess I am getting a McIntosh cause obviously won't loose to much on resale but coming from u with all ur experience & u still like McIntosh guess it says something. Im a musician so I know a lot of albums aren't recorded well specifically alternative music so it does make sense to go for euphonic route rather than having to listen to bad recordings through neutral, precise sistem! Guess I'll still use my studio monitors for reference if needed. Thanks 👌
Hi Jay, Love the Channel. I’m looking for a headphone Amp/Dac for my iPhone. I was looking at the McIntosh MHA50 and like it. With the little knowledge I have, other than I hear McIntosh has a good rep, do you have an opinion on this subject? I’m looking to match it up with some headphones like Sennheiser. I’ll be doing some really long hikes and I’d like to have some good sounding music. Thanks for your time.
Very true, although I think your speaker choice has alot to do with it. Seem tube amps are paramount with turntable record collections. And solid state has more dynamic sound.
That would be hard to do. ARC doesn't have a consistent house sound. Personally, I feel you would have to evaluate individually because the sound varies quite a bit.
@@solarfall2728 perhaps, but the aesthetics, resale value and history are similar - I think most people would say ARC strives for an uncolored sound - maybe that's their house sound.
We old farts are the only group left that it is still politically correct to make jokes about. SNL knows this. It won't be fun when you are as old as you look.
Thanks Jay! Couldn't agree more. What speaker brands to you think pair favorably with McIntosh? I've seen a lot of Wilson, B&W, and Sonus Faber paired with them.
Second generation solid state amp which replaced the 2105 had the cool anticlip input. But the autoformer had a lot of ringing when tried at home before installing as a PA amplifier. Also, some doubt that repairing output transistors in the 1st generation no longer available kept the same sound. The CTS volume control on the C28 was marginable. And the push button switches also could get noisy with age. Parts quality was an annoying problem in the older days. And the earlier op amp preamps used chips that were lesser in sound quality than the discrete parts they replaced. So, I am sure that today the quality is far superior to those vintage pieces.
I, this past year, got a Mcintosh C200 preamp. Some guy at Stereophile called it "the best preamp Mcintosh knows how to make. " Where do I go from here?😅 The tube preamp, of course. I'm bragging here because who else can I brag to?
Let me just say this about MAC; years ago it was an industry standard but now it’s build quality is just not the same. They have an amp that costs over 20K and they use a $7 dollar volume control. Look at some of their remotes again in terms of build quality it looks and feels like a Walmart TV remote. I think Hegel beats MAC hands down just on their build quality alone. There remote is build out of a solid piece of metal. I have the 300 Hegel amp and if you want to know about build quality just try to pick it up. It’s built like a tank. I have the Hegel 300 the ATC 19s a Hegel DAC and Transparent Series 5 cables and I will put it up against anything costing 3 times as much MAC included.
I made a bet with thujan. He says that if this video gets over 500 likes, I have to make videos talking about individual components I've listened to over the years.
All the musicians i know love/own Yamaha and i know quite a few of them in my line of work...and i know it also has something to do with the fact they own musical instruments made by Yamaha. i highly doubt that Mcintosh suddenly became the musician's favorite.
A noble reason to hit the like button
You guys make bets with each other *all* *the* *time,* don't you? XD
@@wa2368 I’ve owned Yamaha amplifiers in the past, n I found the quality to be good, but it didn’t compare to the Mac.
I’ve watched you’re videos on a variety of equipment including the one you critiqued on the Devialet. Which is the reason I asked for you’re opinion being you’re final words were you thought it to be something to invest in, and I haven’t listened to a Mac in years.
I took a 4 hour drive to the McIntosh factory for a tour with my wife in 2015. The great thing about their components is they can service and restore any model from any year which is rare. They let me photograph anything I wanted which was a plus.
Not any more… By and large they have ceased supporting much of their equipment made many years ago.
I have an MC 2105 from late 60’s. Still rocking after all these years.
A little history lesson. The Carver transfer function amplifiers 1.0t and 1.5 t were not tailored to imitate McIntosh, they were tailored to imitate Mark Levinson and Conrad Johnson. I owned a 1.0t.
Lastly Mcintosh simply uses basic electronic principles that have been around since the 50's and 60's and builds them like a tank. Physics then and physics now are the same. They simply build pretty boxes that provide very large amounts of currents without distorting the signal. There is no magic, just good fundamental engineering applied to uncompromising build quality. Its called craftsmanship. No reason to reinvent the wheel if the wheel you came up with is essentially perfect.
Very well said
Great video. I've owned Mcintosh gear, amp and pre-amp, since 2008 and I love them. They sound has kept me happy and content since day one. And they are reliable work horses that I keep on all night every night and the only thing I change the tubes in the pre-,amp from time to time. Very happy owner 😊
I was getting ready to disagree with a post raving about McIntosh. Until I heard the order and comment you make about it.
#1 Resale value. Great first reason since sound quality is not it! I can actually agree with this! Screw sound, it's a financial investment!
#2 McIntosh sound. Yes, it is not about superior sonic performance. It is about the well known sonic anomalies expected. Something LIKE a good tube amp. If that is what you enjoy, knock yourself out!
#3 "Your buying it for the meters". Almost spit my mouth full of coffee out on this one! I was a Rep back in the '70's for top branded Audio equipment travelling 6 states. One Mac shop I called on had the best explanation when asked why they sell it. It was a college town. When a guy with a trimmed beard walks in with patches on their sweater he leads them to the Macs, turns it on and when the big blue meters shine, the guy just pulls out his check book!
#4 transformers. HK's Citation had a much wider bandwidth transformer. Dynaco's sounded better. Mac's screwed up the damping factor giving the fatter low end. And to intentionally do that to a solid state amp that not only does not need, but is worse with an output transformer just to give the "sound"?
As I have gotten older, I find what I learned way back then to still be true. However I have become far more accepting with the concept that not everybody pursues the same subjects for the same reasons or with the same biases and desired end results. There is a reason McDonald's is the #1.
Macs look gorgeous. There is a pride that comes from owning one.
I’m a nube audiophile. Starting my search for a high end system. Every time I hear a Mac amp, I’m stopped in my tracks. This is how high end should sound is what I am thinking. I heard $2800 Sonus Faber speakers through the MA352 and I was in love.
You are a newbie I am a well season audio file If I would’ve just purchased Macintosh at the start, it would’ve save me 25 years of trying so many things and wasting so much money you get what you pay for. My search is over I’m done it’s that good.
What line of Sonus Faber?
I've also had the 352 & a pair of S-F Sonettos for 2 yrs. Love the sounds & the ability to vary my listening experiences, using the multi-band tone controls.
I’m driving my JBL L300’s with a pair of MC-30’s & MX-110 Preamp. Loving the sound every time I fire it up!
got my c28/2105 used in 1972. am listening to them today, never been serviced.
I think it's cute Jay is copying Steve's hair, like father like son 🤗
Steve is Jay's granpa, not daddy!!
I love the content but I also really appreciate that you take the time to make you videos look and sound great. It's amazing how many audio related videos sound like crap.
jay, you nailed the reasons why i bought mcintosh gear
I own a lot of Mc gear some inherited from my Dad. I agree with your comments. I have an MC2205 set up along side Pass Class A. There are so many reasons to own the Mc gear besides whether it sounds better than X. ... because, let’s face it, sometimes it doesn’t sound better.
Thank you! My 2500 is at my friend's house because 1, doesn't beat my Parasound Halo gear and 2 the damn weight!
What do you think of the Pass Class A compared to your Mc?
Typically I don’t comment on videos. I don’t know this person. I should disclose we are a McIntosh Reference Platinum dealer for many years. As a McIntosh fan for 55 years I have enjoyed McIntosh and other very great brands. This commentary is a very good introduction to the McIntosh legacy. Very accurate overview.
Years ago Bob Carver made a challenge to the audio industry in general that he could make any one of his amplifiers sound like any other manufacturer's amplifier regardless of cost. I forget what the prize was if he lost the challenge was if he failed, but I recall it was a hefty sum. Many trials have been held and he never lost one comparison. The challenge stands to this day. Basically, he did it by measuring and employing the transfer function (or null comparisons) of the test amp and his amp. This is the short answer, there's more here: And here was Carver in 1985 cleverly showing that two amplifiers which measured reasonably well, sounded differently. We should also be in awe of Carver's ability to shape the transfer function on the fly. That's pretty remarkable too but not the scope of this post.
My point is, really, Carver showed us a revolutionary way to examine differences between gear in 1985 and yet ... it did not become widespread. >
As far as I know very few manufacturers of any bit of kit or cable took this technique up. We are still stuck in 1985 for specifications, measurements and lack of understanding of what measures cause what effects and end up cycling through cables and amps based on a great deal of uncertainty. Carver's approach was to feed a speaker via both amps at the same time using opposite terminals. The speaker itself was the measure of accuracy. Any difference in output between the two amplifiers would cause audible output.
What's super important here is Carver invented a new way to measure the relative difference of amplifiers with a real load.
My points, in summary:
Most of what we consider state-of-the-art measurements are stuck in the 1970s.
1. There are a number of ways to improve upon them
2. No one has.
3. We should be a little more humble when asserting if it can't be measured it isn't audible because our measurements are not nearly comprehensive.
I look forward to manufacturers or hobbyists to pursue new measurement and new insights into our hobby.
the combination of my MC462 amp and C1100 pre-amp is astounding! Astounding! Those extra transformers DO make a difference!
I have never regretted buying high quality anything, however, I have regretted several times buying low quality because I thought it would save me money, but it never did for more than a day, after the day you buy something on the cheap side, it starts to cost you. After years of dreaming about owning a McIntosh power amp, I finely got my chance, I bought some used gear and after a year, sold it and bought a new MC-602, 2 X 600 and then increased my Mac gear until my entire system is now McIntosh and I have loved it every day since and so does everyone that comes over, it's fun to show people what music can sound like, but I got it all for me. Save up, buy used at first if you need to, then move up to exactly what you want. I like the way I went with a big 2 channel amp for stereo listening and then got a 5 channel 5 X 200 for my surround sound movies and music, then a Mac sub woofer too. Found a MX 151 used for a great price, it can be done, if you really want it. They just don't break and hold value like nothing else out there. After 20 years, I can sale my amp for about what I paid for it new, but I never will.
Sounds like a journey of upgrades! What mcintosh products are you running atm?
It is "poor man's shoes story", quality is expensive to obtain, but cheap to own and it lasts 'forever'.
I have a pair of MC30 monos I bought from the original owner in 1986 for $450 (which included a pair of EV Stereon 850s.) The Macs still make sumptuous music in 2022 (and worth between $3k to $4k today). Will purchase new C49 and MC152 gear this year. You can’t take it with you…but, perhaps the memories of those final delicious notes will linger. Great video, Jay! PS: Sorry, the MC30s are not for sale. 😎
Amazing! Mcintosh manufacture hi-fi components. Hi-fi components are primarily designed to faithfully reproduce audio. Yet, less than 8% of this video was dedicated to the Mcintosh sound. I’m damned glad I watched it at x2 speed. Bravo to TH-cam for that facility.
If you like that clean soft sound , McIntosh is the amp for you. If you prefer quick and punchy , Bryston might be a better choice. Sound is like food , everybody has different tastes.
Macintosh and Magnaplanar ... my first real audiophile experience. Still burned into my memory 40 years later.
I hold a McMasters degree from McIntosh, their lab is pretty fun to experience. Charlie Randle and Ron Cornelius are great guys!
Jay, I’ve got 2 vintage McIntosh amps. They are both from the mid 80s. MC2155 with output transformers (autoformers) and MC2002 direct coupled. Your description of the 2155 with the autoformer sounds exactly as you described. Luscious in the midrange and bass. The direct coupled 2002 is a bit different. It is very detailed and open. It’s bass is also a bit quicker too. It’s overall sound is still McIntosh because the midrange is still beautiful. Lastly, thanks for doing this video. McIntosh is rarely mentioned by TH-camrs.
In the 80’s I went to purchase a pair of speakers when I heard Macs for the first time, and I was instantly smitten. Still am today. I go to the stores, listen to other brands, come back home and turn on my Macs and I’m in heaven. Can’t imagine owning anything else
I have a McIntosh MC462&C49 and the sound is unmatched.
For me their the best in sound and power.
hey Jay you should do a video and compare between the Mcintosh tube vs. solid state vs. hybrid amp. That would be awesome man . Thanks!
Nostalgia and innate (Bentley?) quality are my excuse for shelling out for the MA5300. I was introduced to Mc back in about 1959...and I guess they had been on the market for 10 years at that time. I thought they were beautiful to look at and beautiful to hear. Ironically, McIntosh "sound" is a very neutral and uncolored sound...you're hearing the truth of what is on the source material. I like that they are still almost hand made in New York...which alone makes them unique...Made in America is very very rare in the A/V industry. That fact that all the major electrical components are individually "auditioned" to be included in the box...very tight specs on components. It's just an anachronistic company and product...perhaps "expected" 50 or 60 years ago...but no longer. It took me over 60 years to reach the McIntosh pinnacle. I am not looking back.
Thanks for posting this thoughtful presentation Jay.
Hey Jay,
I got a good enough deal & purchased a McIntosh C49 entry-level Preamp & an MC152 Power Amp with Autoformers Output Transformers.
I did not yet hear the power amp but I researched the heck out of it & it should drive my Qln Prestige Speakers quite well.
Thanks Again,
Regards,
David-
I love your diagnosis. 😂 Let’s just say I bought a full McIntosh stereo system some years ago and it’s the best damn frigging money I’ve ever spent. No regrets here.
Hey Jay... Im 63 with involuntary "silver conductors" ... detail was much better in my 20/ 30/ 40's!!! Ive had "silver conductors" now for 15ish years... ??? Hopefully... I just need a little more "break in time"??? Enjoyed the Video!!!
"Involuntary" silver conductors. 😆
@@Hare_deLune ???
@@johnanderson8096
I just thought that was funny. It gave me a chuckle!
I have some "involuntary" silver conductors, myself. What's left of them...
Totally Agree, my dad owned MC2205 and C28, that's the best amplifier that he ever owned moreover Mcintosh can pretty much drive every speaker that I own It's can make it sing like never been before. My dad have Scansonic Speaker for many years but can't make it sing like he heard when it's on the store but when he hook it up with Mcintosh, It definitely nails it.
nice video , my system is all mac gear (275/c2300& mppv871 muliti format dvd/sacd/cd player speakers are klipsch LA Scalas. !! audio bliss brother
The thing I always heard decades ago was that doctors bought Mc. Well they could afford it after all. I may get a chance to get a Mc integrated amp some day. I had a Mc tuner once. And yes, I got it for the looks. As FM is a pretty secondary source now.
Yea, not a fan of Doctors owning Macs. I went into a Hi-Fi shop in fhe late 80's and saw a Mac 1700 receiver that I wanted so badly. I was young, did not have a lot of cash, the price was like $495 and I was told the Falmouth denist would not come down a penny on the price. Screw him. So now in 2022, I stumble upon a mint one at a steal. I waited 35+ years but happy to be the new owner of a Mac1700. I am glad it did not have a wood cabinet as the chrome and exterior are mint. I know the tuner throws off a lot of heat, and the cabinet ventalation is in the back so that does no justice. You don't really "own" the equipment, you are a caretaker for the next person in line..............
I'm not sure about the negative comments, colored, slow or whatever but my system sounds really and I mean really good, to me anyway. C2600, mono block mc275 mk vi, Tannoy Ardens, twin Rel s812's.
That is all that matters.
They’re just haters. Most people have negative comments shit they can’t afford and most have not even ever heard a McIntosh system. I love my McIntosh system. Could care less what anyone else says.
A lot of the people with negative views are people with much more expensive gear than McIntosh.
@@solomonstewart1025 As long as I never hear those systems ill be good with mine. I bet they sound great though.
Anyone know what size spade connectors work best with McIntosh's Solid Cinch binding posts? 6.5mm or 9.0mm?
You're fucking awesome! The first audio company that caught my attention is McIntosh :D
Great video jay been well acquainted with Mcintosh gear too
As a kid I recall laying on the floor of a local audio shop, listening to Mcintosh equipment playing on these huge speakers. Today it's Best Buy, thats it.
you mentioned Bob Carver, I own the Carver M500t power amp which I've had over 30 years. I would love to own a McIntosh amp but for now the Carver will have to do.
Got my HIFIMAN 400i 2020 ..very very nice!
How would they sound with Totem element metal speakers?
I don’t know, I enjoyed Mc gear for about 7 years but in the end cleared it out.
I normally fall in love with gear and hang on to it for 20 years, not this time, firmware issues on a MA6600 drove me nuts, in my 60’s and was expected to keep dragging my 80lb. monster down to the dealership and leave it there for 4-6 weeks while they tried to find the problem. I replaced the Mc with a high end Luxman Class A intergraded and couldn’t be happier. I’m over the Flash that
people are drawn to with McIntosh gear. 🤓
Have you heard the Cary 211 Mono Block Tube Amps and the Cary SLP-05 Tube Preamp? They don't seem to get the reviews
I think Koreans like these for aesthetic reasons, there are many being sold in Korea mentioned who installs systems in Korea for living
Love the hair color!
Ive never heard a McIntosh in the flesh. Visually they look fabulous.
Man you really don’t know what you missing. I hope you get to one day soon. 😊
Hey Jay I think that your grey hair gives you a distinguished look that adds to your authority on all things McIntosh! Both have that vintage vibe that make them smooth operators! A tip of my hat to you for another excellent video! Thanks very much appreciated it.
My first "Audiophile" experience was a full set of McIntosh with a pair Illium. lol Yes, the Korean show "The Great and lonely God" had a nice Mac with 802 B&W.
I find this guy entertaining and inquisitive
thank you!
I’m watching your videos Jay 😊
Ok, im asking about McIntosh but not amps,what are their cd transports like compared to say Rega for that analogue feel
How would you compare Mc's to Hegel ? And which do you prefer?
Hegel beats MAC hands down because of its build quality; Hegel is built like a tank.
@@robertbyington7715 If you're going to go by build quality alone, Hegel may be good, but they are not the best. Compared to Bryston's build quality, Hegel goes from a tank to a Jeep.
@@solarfall2728
You have to compare apples to apples based on overall cost and what you can expect for your money. What I’m
saying is the Hegel 390 for $5600 will
blow the doors off most amps costing 2/3 times as much and definitely has the build quality that can be lacking especially in MAC for 3/4 times the price. You kept taking about sound quality but that’s going to be just as apparent based on your cables and speakers as anything else. I still think the build quality on newer MACS just isn’t what it was 10/15 years ago. Most of the people who praised MACs have older equipment not the newer stuff. If you want to do a fair comparison open up the component and look at exactly what’s inside; instead of saying this sounds better. That’s what the Supreme Court said about pornography We don’t know what it is but we know it when we see it.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge! It's a huge help for me!
Nice job!
My Onkyo M504 purchased brand new for under $900.00 back in 1998 i still think is the most elegant looking amp ever made with the extra large meters, and fake rosewood side panels.... it may not sound like a Macintosh amplifier, but cost me far far less than anything like a Macintosh, and the M504 still looks nicer... however i would still like 1 of the older Technics amps with the even bigger meters than my Onkyo M504 lol...
Has anybody heard and compared the 2 upgradable DACs that McIntosh makes..the DA1,found in this M49 Preamp, and the newer DA2?
Jay,the reasons you listed are dead on! It's why I owned Mac gear! Items owned in the past, Amps: Mc 240, 2505,2100,2105,2200,2205,2255,and two Mc 2300's.Preamps: MX 110,C 20,C 26,and C 28.Tuners: MR 74,78. So, I understand! The reason Mac stuff sounds different than most solid state gear is that they never abandoned the output transformer design only seen in tube amps,as you mentioned.It's also why they aren't as transparent as the well made direct coupled amps(class A or AB). I liquidated all my Mac gear 20 yrs ago.Most of it ended up in the Far East with all the vintage large JBL,Altec gear I sold. I ended up getting into Audio Research,Krell, Threshold,Dynaco, Heathkit,and for great bang for the buck amps(which I still use) Crown!
In your experience, why did you switch from McIntosh to other solid state brands? I’ve listened to the McIntosh MA5100 and I thought that the midrange was a bit recessed in comparison to/with my Parasound HCA-2205A. The parasound is superior! But the McIntosh has a very warm old school sound that is nice especially for LP’s. I can get the 5100 for about $800 right now if I want it but what would I use it for? I’m already addicted to the sound of my Parasound which is holographic and beautiful. It’s very powerful and sound absolutely incredible. I get the feeling that McIntosh is a good product but they are built on brand loyalty and HYPE. Am I correct? What are your opinions?
Any experience or thoughts on the sound with the MC2152 Anniversary Amplifier?
Do you have a Spotify playlist?
Even in my teens... There were women I wished I could have dated, there was audio equipment I wish I could have touched, owned and loved....
Yes... it was McIntosh.... big back side... and her meters were delicate and responsive.... She knew it... and her price was out of my reach... it still is.
And did those women get better with age? I'll take the McIntosh
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Haha... they went on down the road.... Not sure about their value.
🤔🤔🤔🤫🤫🤫🤫
Even if they aren't the best, they are distinctive and have a 'sound".
Love the hair! 💙🤍
Hi Jay,
Is there a McIntosh amp(modern or vintage) that you would pair with the Maggie’s? Thank you
Hi Jay
I cannot comment about mackintosh gear however you did mention Bob Carver and I do have his Crimson 275 which I use to power B & W 803s which were formally run by a rotes or be 1080 which is 200 W per channel
The difference was amazing and Carver just blew away the rotel and the rotel is really good
Bob Carver also made a preamplifier which had his signature sonic holographic sound
I also use this C-11 with the Carber amplifier and BNW speakers
Carver B&W so much fun
Thanks
I’m in the process of purchasing something relatively not too expensive, and was wondering what you thought about the Devialet rose gold Bluetooth speaker. I had a Macintosh years ago, but don’t remember what model I had, that’s how long ago it was. However I was thinking about possibly getting 2 of the Rose Gold Devialet’s at a little over $6,000 or maybe investing $10,000 for a Macintosh. What do you think about the comparisons in terms of sound n quality...? Would appreciate you’re input.
Thanks in advance
The reason I ask is because if I get the Macintosh I’ll have to get good quality speakers to go with it, and I wouldn’t want to go over 12-13 thou for the both when I could get the 2 Devialet’s at half the price.
I have one of the early iterations of the gold phantoms. Love them for their sound, compactness (I was moving a lot when I bought them), versatility, simplicity, and the partner acceptance factor. I have had them for 4 plus years and other than wanting more phantoms - I would love to have a 5.5 setup - I have yet to suffer from “upgraditous,”
Now, if I had no kids or older kids, was not moving, and had $12K to spend, I’d be looking for something other than the Devialet’s. I think.
@@jaydee6268 just out of curiosity what Macintosh would you recommend for under 10k ?
@@willofomphalosgroomslll TBH, I have no idea because I would be trying all sorts of combinations, new/used, mono blocks tubes versus solid state stereo etc. and accordingly would likely defer to someone like Jay and rely upon his expertise and experience. That said, if I had $10K to dedicate just to an amp, I would be looking at the MC462.
@@jaydee6268 thanks bro
Where does someone buy mcintosh products in canada
Great video and review.
Mcintosh is the Harley-Davidson of the audio world....
Timeless...👌🎼🔊
hope not Harley has been loosing money for years.
@@glennewdick...they’ll come around, they always do.
Good and interesting points here. Interesting that the first point you made is resale value.
Smooth, alluring, and liquid are terms you use, dark. Those are fine. The nostalgia aspect you mentioned is tradition.
3rd point is transformers and components related.
Approved by musicians is slightly cult and tradition, but can be a warming good thing to be a part of, welcoming and seal of approval by other musicians. It is a bit like BMW and Porsche.
Overall would love if you could talk more about the components and science. Gain knowledge of it, and ideas of circuitry, transformers.
One of the reason for the popularity is that being such an industry leader is so easy to research online. I only wish the styling wasn't so dated and garish, because it seems to be a product that fits my needs.
Jay. you should buy a copy of Forza 4,, purchase a Bentley and upgrade it. With four wheel drive the car is capable of 220 MPH. ( So what if it's just a game! You should trust alll of the downloadable games @ Microsoft.) And by the way, your videos are quite educational ! Keep up the Great work.
What do you say about Bang and Olufsen?
I have a McIntosh ma6100...love it 😉👍
I guess I am getting a McIntosh cause obviously won't loose to much on resale but coming from u with all ur experience & u still like McIntosh guess it says something. Im a musician so I know a lot of albums aren't recorded well specifically alternative music so it does make sense to go for euphonic route rather than having to listen to bad recordings through neutral, precise sistem! Guess I'll still use my studio monitors for reference if needed. Thanks 👌
Composer Aaron Copeland reportedly used a McIntosh MC-240 power amplifier in his home audio system.
What do you guys think of the MC152 amp?
Hi Jay,
Love the Channel. I’m looking for a headphone Amp/Dac for my iPhone. I was looking at the McIntosh MHA50 and like it. With the little knowledge I have, other than I hear McIntosh has a good rep, do you have an opinion on this subject? I’m looking to match it up with some headphones like Sennheiser. I’ll be doing some really long hikes and I’d like to have some good sounding music. Thanks for your time.
A few great vintage pieces. All the old tuners from mr80 and earlier. Mc225. Mx110. Mc275. C20 ands 22 preamps.
What would be a good McIntosh Integrated amp for Klipsch La Scalla II's in a large room?
a small one
How are they changing the sound? Shouldn't it just be flat and low distortion? Not good if they are "designing" the sound.
Very true, although I think your speaker choice has alot to do with it.
Seem tube amps are paramount with turntable record collections.
And solid state has more dynamic sound.
Just got the Macintosh MC152. I think I made the right choice over the excellent Parasound A2+. The JC5 model is out of my price range
Can you tell me if you don't mine your honest opinion about Emotiva? Thank you
Are you familiar with the Naim muso music streamer by naim
I own McIntosh because the sound and green color is unique at night.
Great video - would love to see a similar one for Audio Research
That would be hard to do. ARC doesn't have a consistent house sound. Personally, I feel you would have to evaluate individually because the sound varies quite a bit.
@@solarfall2728 perhaps, but the aesthetics, resale value and history are similar - I think most people would say ARC strives for an uncolored sound - maybe that's their house sound.
After watching your video, I am one step closer to pull the trigger 😉
Great Job Jay!
Hi Jay, how would you compare Mcintosh integrated amps vs Pass Labs, Accuphase or Luxman??
They all crush McIntosh!
Luxman and Accuphase kinda sound like tube amps. They're very warm. Pass Labs sounds VERY solid state.
McIntosh also sounds very warm but in a slow, syrupy kind of way.
The hair color looks cool and audiophileish but I though you where Michio Kaku for a moment! LOL!!!!!!
We old farts are the only group left that it is still politically correct to make jokes about. SNL knows this. It won't be fun when you are as old as you look.
Thanks Jay! Couldn't agree more. What speaker brands to you think pair favorably with McIntosh? I've seen a lot of Wilson, B&W, and Sonus Faber paired with them.
Wilson benesch. 👍🇬🇧amazing
Second generation solid state amp which replaced the 2105 had the cool anticlip input. But the autoformer had a lot of ringing when tried at home before installing as a PA amplifier. Also, some doubt that repairing output transistors in the 1st generation no longer available kept the same sound. The CTS volume control on the C28 was marginable. And the push button switches also could get noisy with age. Parts quality was an annoying problem in the older days. And the earlier op amp preamps used chips that were lesser in sound quality than the discrete parts they replaced. So, I am sure that today the quality is far superior to those vintage pieces.
I, this past year, got a Mcintosh C200 preamp. Some guy at Stereophile called it "the best preamp Mcintosh knows how to make. "
Where do I go from here?😅
The tube preamp, of course.
I'm bragging here because who else can I brag to?
no such thing as 'best'...personally i was never impressed with them sonically. i do love your videos though..keep up the great work 🔥❤️
Let me just say this about MAC; years ago it was an industry standard but now it’s build quality is just not the same. They have an amp that costs over 20K and they use a $7 dollar volume control. Look at some of their remotes again in terms of build quality it looks and feels like a Walmart TV remote.
I think Hegel beats MAC hands down just on their build quality alone. There remote is build out of a solid piece of metal. I have the 300 Hegel amp and if you want to know about build quality just try to pick it up. It’s built like a tank.
I have the Hegel 300 the ATC 19s a Hegel
DAC and Transparent Series 5 cables and I will put it up against anything costing 3 times as much MAC included.
Not buying for the look,don't get me wrong awesome but its warm clarity my freind
I just like the blue meters.
They are cool 😎
I would actually be distracted by those
Story teller with style