Great video man, you just earned a sub, I've been searching for a good tier list that makes sense and then I saw yours, that being said I just have an exception on one weapin combination which is GS/Staff, my brother here is making huge success with it in any pvp aspect thanks to ascending slash's prone charge, so I would recommand you to rethink about this one
@@nicolasmarin-k7t yeah I've mostly focused on large scale and tried to mention where a certain build might be stronger in small scale or duelling/pouncing. For even more structured breakdown (arena, GvG, ZvZ) you can also check out Kanon's (@KanonXO) "ranking lists"
Hmm I think you have the right impression. Wand makes you strong in 1v1 dueling of course, but as Healer it really shines when being in a party to spread their group healing. As an Offensive player - curses are most effective when spread to multiple people in bigger fights, Sleep Bomb is all about spreading it to large groups of enemies. A good Sleep is also valuable in small scale fights of course, so yeah it can still perform Solo to a degree, but I would say its a group-focused weapon.
I want to do great sword and wand so I can pick up the curse abilities to play kind of like a dark knight/ death knight but don’t know if I could pull it off
@@legitlvl10 you can curse and sleep people, slow burn them to death with curses while surviving a lot of damage, but it's very slow, immobile class. If you are ok with that, go for it
@@KaDis14 I would recommend this Bow/Staff guide from TheWhelps th-cam.com/video/Ay1uCMoW9jI/w-d-xo.html and if you still have more questions after, ask in my discord!
@@maikhelm1587 If you are new to Throne SNS Wand is stronger, only play GS Wand if you know exactly what you are doing in this game with previous experience
Yes I will prepare one for PVE, but in this game a build either works in PVE or it does not. I will think about how to make a good tier list so it's not just "YES" or "NO".
Yep.. in my eyes, a skilled player can defnitely carry these builds up a tier. From a New Player perspective though, it does really take some experience and knowledge to make these builds effective in actual combat
the differences are very minor, as you level up your weapon Mastery, some capstones you unlock only work when that weapon is in hand. For SNS GS though, if you are tanking, you want to use SNS in your main hand and also SNS Q block/parry ability!
People keep saying that staff bow will be weak at global release? why? I got recommended crossbow dagger to start out with and then play something later on. Can you explain why? Or what's your opinion on that?
Hmm I'm not sure why they say Staff Bow will be weak, but you do have to keep in mind its a very specific playstyle. You don't have stealth to escape, so you will have to be a master of correct positioning and that's hard to do until you had some time to lear the game. Maybe its because Staff Bow gets a lot of its strength from max range and we are expecting that to be nerfed for Global. Also note that Staff Bow and Crossbow Dagger are 2 completely different playstyles - fully ranged somewhat stationary dps vs VERY mobile mid-close range dps. Join the discord I'm happy to chat some more about this.
haha thanks for the comment! There's a dude on youtube that has 300,000,000 subscribers but not everyone is MrBeast or Asmon. That xbow player probably fully geared with Archboss weapon(s). As I mentioned, xbow dag is one of those volatile classes that can range from S to F depending on who you ask - I put it in high B tier and tried to explain my reasoning for it. For global, I can't recommend this build as S tier because a lot of people that pick it will not achieve "S tier" results and most S and A-tier builds are more consistent and less "player-dependent". Overall, as an exceptional player with top gear, you can absolutely pop off with xbow dagger!
Thanks! Yeah, my goal with content like this is to share solid general concepts and make people think for themselves. If someone is looking for a simple answer on "What is the absolute Strongest tank RIGHT NOW" - they can ask me on discord :D
@@Soaringeagle_82 haha all of those options sound fire 🔥 next weapon is expected to be Spear and I would also like to see Scythes added at some point.. imagine the skins!
I like range and melee. In games like wow and eso I was always very bursty high damage can take out people fast if they new and win 95% of fights even against good players. And even was able to 1v3 sometimes So idk what that would be. I’m looking for something that is very strong but I also don’t wanna be like low hp where I just get 1 shot by anyone I like range and melee but I also want to be good in pve dps Maybe even staff bow cuz it’s good for pve dps? But then isn’t it only good for mass pvp and gets beat a lot and killed in 1v1 and 3v3? So idk what to pick. I was thinking gs dagger or sns gs but my group has lots sns gs already and if we all sns gs when we do our pve content we will suck lol only good in pvp together lol I asked u something similar before. Just trying to really make sure I play the right weapon combo so I’m not wasting time and resources
Its hard to advise, because you seem to like any gameplay. I think GS Dagger fits your description very well. Dont be worried about PVE - you will have enough dps for T1 and before T2 comes out, the game might change a few times anyway. No class can GUARANTEE you 1v3, but GS Dagger probably has bigger chance than most other builds. Crossbow is high burst but you dont want to be low hp.. Bow Dagger is another option for you, but its very strong because of Flashwave and it is expected to be nerfed.. Have you seen my "What class to Play" video? I think it's GS Dagger for you - but happy to chat more on discord
This is exactly what Lineage 2 was about. Sword and Board was beast mode alongside Bows. NCSoft up to its old tricks... Lineage 2 was an awesome game though
@@crazy-trick Lineage 2 was one of my favorite MMOs despite it's glaring lack of quests/grinding issue. If this even has a little bit of nostalgia I'm in.
@@Gaxko haha it's really down to preference! Both are great, if you enjoy dashing around and slapping people in close ranged - pick GS Dagger. If you wanna kill from the distance - Staff Dagger
It Depends.. TNL has a rock-paper-scissors system. if your class (Magic for example) counters my build that only has Ranged and Melee defense, then you will dominate me as f2p. If you are f2p AND grind many many hours, then yes you can feel super strong even playing against p2w players. But this game is mostly about guild PVP so p2w guilds will be ahead of f2p guilds assuming they are of equal skill.
There are people that make GS Staff work in certain content and really enjoy it. Check out www.youtube.com/@Zardos00R content for more GS Staff gameplay
I wonder how seasoned you are in pve in regards to making a tier list. I imagine it is based on much hearsay and feeling, seeing as there is no damage meter. I still wonder how the DPS weapon combos really add up with the latest patch. People cling on to Xbow+Dagger as the strongest, even though Staff and Greatsword have received sooo much extra pve damage. You can't tell me this had no impact. :D (I just want staff+bow or staff+dagger to compete with the top combos in pve)
@@Gleandra I'm not a PVE veteran, but considering what content is out there, I should be able to make something that will help and not mislead new players. If you are looking for someone to debate current week-by-week power fluctuations in PVE, I'm not gonna be able to provide that at the moment. What I will say separately, for pushing Challenge tiers I'd rather take a good player that is making B tier weapons work than get jailed with a player who just switched to the next "meta" build.
Healer is extremely valuable in TnL! Wand is the main Healing weapon so most classes that use a Wand will be considered a healer - Wand classes start at 14:51 and also SNS + Wand can be played as Healer in some content (2:34)
ill go staff/want i want do some damage and self healing... because hp potion cd is 1min :) Im noob PVE and trie have some fun in pvp... So This class have skill Mana/HP looks perfect for me ^^
haha I felt what you are feeling before.. it's really gear dependent and even with good gear, the class is not having the best time right now. Stay strong, it has to get better! 🙏
Maybe skill issue??? EU is arena ladder and top guild zergs are dominated by xbow/daggers. :) GS is really bad in large scale in current range meta. Only viable proper frontline is wand/sns atm.
@@jackreacher4547 dagger pairings tend to be higher on PVP tier lists because it's strengths (stealth, evasion) are practically exclusive to PVP. In PVE you will have less benefit from stealth, evasion or mobility and so dagger combinations are going to rank lower overall. Even in PVP, after the Skill Expressions came out, a lot of non-dagger builds started to emerge and rank higher.
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Have I glossed over any Weapon Combo that was confusing? Just drop a comment here and I'll try to clarify my thoughts!
Great video man, you just earned a sub, I've been searching for a good tier list that makes sense and then I saw yours, that being said I just have an exception on one weapin combination which is GS/Staff, my brother here is making huge success with it in any pvp aspect thanks to ascending slash's prone charge, so I would recommand you to rethink about this one
Great video bro, loving the content, keep it up!
i think these tier list should be made more objectively depending on what type of pvp 1v1, 3v3 , mid scale and large scale
@@nicolasmarin-k7t yeah I've mostly focused on large scale and tried to mention where a certain build might be stronger in small scale or duelling/pouncing. For even more structured breakdown (arena, GvG, ZvZ) you can also check out Kanon's (@KanonXO) "ranking lists"
Love the content man, I've binge watched so many videos from you!
I'll be playing when the game launches in EU. Hope to see you in game!
yooo I'm hyped to hear you love the content! LETS GOOO
Do the wand builds only shine in pve and gvg? It seems like they cant do anything solo efficiently, pls correct me if i misunderstood.
Hmm I think you have the right impression. Wand makes you strong in 1v1 dueling of course, but as Healer it really shines when being in a party to spread their group healing. As an Offensive player - curses are most effective when spread to multiple people in bigger fights, Sleep Bomb is all about spreading it to large groups of enemies. A good Sleep is also valuable in small scale fights of course, so yeah it can still perform Solo to a degree, but I would say its a group-focused weapon.
I want to do great sword and wand so I can pick up the curse abilities to play kind of like a dark knight/ death knight but don’t know if I could pull it off
@@legitlvl10 you can curse and sleep people, slow burn them to death with curses while surviving a lot of damage, but it's very slow, immobile class. If you are ok with that, go for it
SnS/Wand is OP... not only because of survivability, they can put the whole group to sleep. This is the most broken thing I have seen so far.
To put gs/sns and wand/sns in same tier is wild.
gs/sns is really struggling in large scale icurrent eu meta.
TY SIR, your video finally make me decide what i want too play!
@@KaDis14 nice! What's it gonna be?
@@crazy-trick I will go definitely for BOW/STAFF, can u make a early gearing guide, like what stats and traits are good ?
@@KaDis14 I would recommend this Bow/Staff guide from TheWhelps th-cam.com/video/Ay1uCMoW9jI/w-d-xo.html and if you still have more questions after, ask in my discord!
Great guide mate, thank you!
Can u help me pls xd i dont know do i Play gs/Wand orsns/Wand Whats better for pvp ? (Large Scale and small scale) 😢
@@maikhelm1587 If you are new to Throne SNS Wand is stronger, only play GS Wand if you know exactly what you are doing in this game with previous experience
Perfect explanation great job
@@joseponce9567 thank you!
great video, i hope you do about PVE tier list in throne and liberty, thanks
Yes I will prepare one for PVE, but in this game a build either works in PVE or it does not. I will think about how to make a good tier list so it's not just "YES" or "NO".
excellent list, totally agree except Gs/Xbow i think its a solid A tier and SnS/Bow is the little sister of SnS/wand a very close sister imo ^^
Yep.. in my eyes, a skilled player can defnitely carry these builds up a tier. From a New Player perspective though, it does really take some experience and knowledge to make these builds effective in actual combat
I’m very new, what’s the difference if sns/gs or gs/sns?
What is the main hand changes? Or it doesn’t matter which one is main hand
the differences are very minor, as you level up your weapon Mastery, some capstones you unlock only work when that weapon is in hand. For SNS GS though, if you are tanking, you want to use SNS in your main hand and also SNS Q block/parry ability!
People keep saying that staff bow will be weak at global release? why? I got recommended crossbow dagger to start out with and then play something later on. Can you explain why? Or what's your opinion on that?
Hmm I'm not sure why they say Staff Bow will be weak, but you do have to keep in mind its a very specific playstyle. You don't have stealth to escape, so you will have to be a master of correct positioning and that's hard to do until you had some time to lear the game. Maybe its because Staff Bow gets a lot of its strength from max range and we are expecting that to be nerfed for Global. Also note that Staff Bow and Crossbow Dagger are 2 completely different playstyles - fully ranged somewhat stationary dps vs VERY mobile mid-close range dps. Join the discord I'm happy to chat some more about this.
Can you pls make a Bow/Wand gearing/skill guide pls?😊
Theres a dude that uses dagger xbow that in 70/70 is absolutely destroying literally eating anyone thats even slightly out of place
haha thanks for the comment! There's a dude on youtube that has 300,000,000 subscribers but not everyone is MrBeast or Asmon. That xbow player probably fully geared with Archboss weapon(s). As I mentioned, xbow dag is one of those volatile classes that can range from S to F depending on who you ask - I put it in high B tier and tried to explain my reasoning for it. For global, I can't recommend this build as S tier because a lot of people that pick it will not achieve "S tier" results and most S and A-tier builds are more consistent and less "player-dependent". Overall, as an exceptional player with top gear, you can absolutely pop off with xbow dagger!
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WHAT'S THAT ARMOR SET CALLED IN All THEM THUMB NAILS BRO
@@TopBoy-Gaming this particular rare drop is the Elite Irresistible Knight chestplate, Double-D tier 👀
@@crazy-trick THANKS APPRECIATE THE HEADS UP MATE LOOKING AMAZING GG
Every single week requires a new pvp tier list, since there are new patch notes in a weekly basis.
Great vídeo !
Thanks! Yeah, my goal with content like this is to share solid general concepts and make people think for themselves. If someone is looking for a simple answer on "What is the absolute Strongest tank RIGHT NOW" - they can ask me on discord :D
Wand and Long Bow for the win! This is also good for PVE. Honestly, it's all viable for PVE. You just gotta be smart about what you're doing.
where can i play this game ?
cant find it on steam
@@wei4538 It is out in Korea at the moment (Purple Launcher), but it will release Globally on Steam on October 1!
@@crazy-trick is this f2p or you have to purchase ?
@@wei4538 its f2p on Korea and will be free on Steam too!
We need a mace and war hammer added to the game along with axes
@@Soaringeagle_82 haha all of those options sound fire 🔥 next weapon is expected to be Spear and I would also like to see Scythes added at some point.. imagine the skins!
I’d rather see a glaive or spear or katana
@@Rambow808 you're in luck - spear coming soon
Bummer, your discord link isn't working
bummer indeed, thanks for letting me know! discord.gg/DdhkPB5NFp
What build are you going to play?
I have not decided yet probably will start with GS Dagger or Bow Dagger
I like range and melee. In games like wow and eso I was always very bursty high damage can take out people fast if they new and win 95% of fights even against good players. And even was able to 1v3 sometimes
So idk what that would be. I’m looking for something that is very strong but I also don’t wanna be like low hp where I just get 1 shot by anyone
I like range and melee but I also want to be good in pve dps
Maybe even staff bow cuz it’s good for pve dps? But then isn’t it only good for mass pvp and gets beat a lot and killed in 1v1 and 3v3? So idk what to pick. I was thinking gs dagger or sns gs but my group has lots sns gs already and if we all sns gs when we do our pve content we will suck lol only good in pvp together
lol I asked u something similar before. Just trying to really make sure I play the right weapon combo so I’m not wasting time and resources
Its hard to advise, because you seem to like any gameplay. I think GS Dagger fits your description very well. Dont be worried about PVE - you will have enough dps for T1 and before T2 comes out, the game might change a few times anyway. No class can GUARANTEE you 1v3, but GS Dagger probably has bigger chance than most other builds. Crossbow is high burst but you dont want to be low hp.. Bow Dagger is another option for you, but its very strong because of Flashwave and it is expected to be nerfed.. Have you seen my "What class to Play" video? I think it's GS Dagger for you - but happy to chat more on discord
This is exactly what Lineage 2 was about. Sword and Board was beast mode alongside Bows. NCSoft up to its old tricks... Lineage 2 was an awesome game though
@@campd73 yeah, I think this one can be awesome for a while too.. not for 20 years, but.. 🙏
@@crazy-trick Lineage 2 was one of my favorite MMOs despite it's glaring lack of quests/grinding issue. If this even has a little bit of nostalgia I'm in.
Gs dagger or staff dagger pvp
@@Gaxko haha it's really down to preference! Both are great, if you enjoy dashing around and slapping people in close ranged - pick GS Dagger. If you wanna kill from the distance - Staff Dagger
@@crazy-trick is gs dagger only good at 1v1?
@@Gaxko no, it's amazing in 3v3 also and in gvg riftstone boonstone and any small scale
@@crazy-trick don't you just jump in stun an die in large scale
@@Gaxko in Siege - yeah. But in gvg boonstones with a good team/good healer - no, you can make big plays as a group of GS Daggers
Can u play is a f2p and dominate?
It Depends.. TNL has a rock-paper-scissors system. if your class (Magic for example) counters my build that only has Ranged and Melee defense, then you will dominate me as f2p. If you are f2p AND grind many many hours, then yes you can feel super strong even playing against p2w players. But this game is mostly about guild PVP so p2w guilds will be ahead of f2p guilds assuming they are of equal skill.
There are 2 of the top 10 players that use dagger bow and dagger xbow....
Sad to see GS/Staff so low on the list.
There are people that make GS Staff work in certain content and really enjoy it. Check out www.youtube.com/@Zardos00R content for more GS Staff gameplay
Can you make a PVE tier list too please? Also great video btw.
thanks! I can't promise, but I will try to have it ready before Early Access 26 Sept
@@crazy-trick Thanks!
I wonder how seasoned you are in pve in regards to making a tier list. I imagine it is based on much hearsay and feeling, seeing as there is no damage meter. I still wonder how the DPS weapon combos really add up with the latest patch. People cling on to Xbow+Dagger as the strongest, even though Staff and Greatsword have received sooo much extra pve damage. You can't tell me this had no impact. :D (I just want staff+bow or staff+dagger to compete with the top combos in pve)
@@Gleandra I'm not a PVE veteran, but considering what content is out there, I should be able to make something that will help and not mislead new players. If you are looking for someone to debate current week-by-week power fluctuations in PVE, I'm not gonna be able to provide that at the moment. What I will say separately, for pushing Challenge tiers I'd rather take a good player that is making B tier weapons work than get jailed with a player who just switched to the next "meta" build.
Wand/dagger ftw
no healer in this game?
Healer is extremely valuable in TnL! Wand is the main Healing weapon so most classes that use a Wand will be considered a healer - Wand classes start at 14:51 and also SNS + Wand can be played as Healer in some content (2:34)
What you didn’t mention is that gs dagger has massive pve damage and tankiness and is easily the best melee for pve.
This is true, especially after the recent GS buffs! I'll make sure to include this when I get to making a PVE tier list / ranking
@@crazy-trick GS nerf soon lol :)
Wand/longbow
Amazing class!
ill go staff/want i want do some damage and self healing... because hp potion cd is 1min :)
Im noob PVE and trie have some fun in pvp...
So This class have skill Mana/HP looks perfect for me ^^
Staff/Wand is a great class to learn the game with! And later you have many options to start growing a 3rd weapon
@@crazy-trickyeah.. My 3rd weapom will be a bow 😊 im excited to play i dont played Kr, but watched alot videos to learn the game. Thx for help
Im playing with xbow dagger... Most useless build in smallscale and large scale pvp. GO with SNS + any and be happy!
haha I felt what you are feeling before.. it's really gear dependent and even with good gear, the class is not having the best time right now. Stay strong, it has to get better! 🙏
Maybe skill issue???
EU is arena ladder and top guild zergs are dominated by xbow/daggers. :)
GS is really bad in large scale in current range meta.
Only viable proper frontline is wand/sns atm.
Bruh this should be illegal to make such parody don't fool new players 50/50 correct
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It's kind of stupid that basically everything is paired with a dagger lol.
@@jackreacher4547 dagger pairings tend to be higher on PVP tier lists because it's strengths (stealth, evasion) are practically exclusive to PVP. In PVE you will have less benefit from stealth, evasion or mobility and so dagger combinations are going to rank lower overall. Even in PVP, after the Skill Expressions came out, a lot of non-dagger builds started to emerge and rank higher.