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Soooooo happy to hear the enthusiasm in Johns voice regarding VR.
It’s nice to see the enthusiasm. But sad to see him explaining basic VR features and mechanics as if they haven’t been around for the past 7 years. It’s amazing now just as it was then and more people should realize that.
@@mattman6886 The reluctance people have towards VR is the most baffling thing I’ve experienced in the tech world. It’s like a portal to the future popped up and people were like "nah, I’m gonna get a portable PC so I can play pc games on a tiny screen"…
Something went wrong somewhere for us to end up here. Either that or people just like games much less than I thought.
@@mattman6886 Yes he's very late to the party, just like game streaming, again late the party while NVIDIA got best at it for years.
@@JimmyNuisance I've noticed that a lot of the gaming community are scared of change. They want to play the same, familiar games over and over until the heat death of the universe. You show them a new piece of hardware that is mostly only capable to playing styles of games that have never existed before, and they curl up into the foetal position and start rocking back and fourth.
@@fireaza Yeah, same here. I've been playing games since the early 80s, and something happened around 2008-2010.. Once Uncharted came out, an enormous amount of 3rd person action games kinda started going down the exact same path.. By 2013 all the action games played either like Uncharted or similarly to the quick-time event driven Assassin's Creed/Arkham.. That kept going for a long while... And people seemingly never grew bored even though those games kinda play themselves..
During that same era, the FPS game was pretty much perfected with Call of Duty MW.. Then we got CoD MW clones from different eras over and over and over again forever.. On top of the yearly CoD games that all play the same..
Since 2016 it's just gone straight to hell. Every game is exactly the same copy of something else. Soulslikes are now so plentiful that you could pretty much just stick to that one genre.. They all play pretty much the same..
Gaming used to be HELLA DIVERSE in terms of genres and new innovations. Gaming has never been this stale before. Indies are literally totally alone in making innovations in games.
Didn't use to be like this.. Capitalistic greed ruined large games. There's too much money in gaming right now for this to go any other way than the movie business, just puking out clones over and over and over.
Do more VR stuff. It's getting pretty good. Spent the last few days playing Doom 3 on the Quest 3 stand alone. It's mind boggling that the game runs so well with HD textures and hardly any jank. Touching the PDA screen and all the buttons is just how we always imagined it finally being realized.
Very old game, no wonder it runs so well.
Good hardware but terrible company who makes it. Meta is a demonic company and their DRM is shit and buying games and giving money to them each time is always a downside of the quest.
Check out Doom 3 on Quest 3, it now has dynamic shadows and that is crazy good in VR!!
And running standalone - so much fun!
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Well I got PSVR2 by the idea of playing these older games with the shadow and even raytracing like I saw Portal (the game) has now, sounds awesome
@@zapmando None of these older games work on Playstation unfortunately without an official release. Doom 3 on VR is essentially a Modded project that you sideload off PC.
RT on console VR no way not today at least..
Playing it and loving every minute of it. Movement is excelent and feeling of actualy been assassin is very real. I wish everyone could play this amazing game.
Assassin's Creed isn't perfect, but it tries so damn hard and the devs clearly just love all of the things that make VR fun. I truly truly hope they make a follow up, just to have a chance to show how much they've learned in the process.
I think we could be in for an update to a lot of games once the more stable V60 comes out in December, they want to stabilize this in time for christmas to sell bucketloads
99% chance we won't get another one. Ubisoft only make spinoff like this. The portable assassin's creed never got expanded, neither have a lot of other smaller projects
@@wile123456 I really hope you're wrong, but I'm hard pressed to think of a reason that you wouldn't be. It's unfortunate. The devs clearly put a lot of heart into it, but Ubisoft doesn't have its shitty reputation for nothing.
Just finished AC Nexus VR, it's criminally underrated if you ask me! I haven't enjoyed this franchise since Black Flag and I think I enjoyed Nexus more than even that.
Are any game developers listening to this? VR is the future. We need more AAA VR games. Even old AAA games in VR feel fresh and amazing.
I finally got virtual desktop for my quest 3 last night and set encoder av1 10bit and I was pretty floored at what I had been missing out on for the last few weeks just using link cable. Stoked for the future
In what way is it different to using the link cable through the Quest natively?
I don’t wanna pay for it lol
@@RetroBacon1it costs 15 bucks.
@@RayzaNCIirc, Virtual Desktop has way less compression artifacts and offers lower latencies.
@@RayzaNC it uses AV1 for the video codec for a much higher IQ.
It's so nice to hear how happy he is with wireless VR. I got my Quest 2 two years ago, and I can't go back to wired VR. The freedom of wireless is far too good to accept anything less.
The fact that it works perfectly with a PC is wonderful. That's why I haven't bought a PSVR2. Even though I want to play Resident Evil in VR.
It's overrated considering you can get suspended wired holders for years on your ceiling that is like wireless, I've had it since Oculus Rift, wired is lower latency and higher bandwidth
@@retrowrath9374 It's not even close to being overrated. The image quality and low latency are so good that they're almost undetectable.
Unlike a dumb wire being suspended over your head that you are absolutely aware of the entire time. Not to mention having a dedicated wire drooping down from your ceiling. Unsightly when in use or not.
The advantages of being truly wireless far outweigh those when being wired.
That's the opposite of being overrated.
@@retrowrath9374sorry but the idea of installing nonsense into my living room ceiling rather than just being able to walk downstairs with the headset isn’t really that appealing.
@@retrowrath9374nobody wants to set that up just to play a game🤦🏾♂️😂 just accept the future is wireless its the natural progression on vr
@@retrowrath9374 Whats the deal with PCVR enthusiasts and their claim for "lower latency" and higher bandwidth
The latency for display port is still about roughly 10ms, the latency for Oculus link is 20ms to 30ms AT MOST. This is impossible to notice without a chart up.
Bandwidth on the other hand, is only going to become a problem if you're playing a game like Skyrim with max foliage on. Its an extremely niche issue that 90% of people are not going to experience and the blurriness only really gets bad streaming the game via airlink.
You guys should do more VR content it’s amazing to have a great channel like yours talking about VR in details.
Would be awesome if you guys did a video comparing the different PCVR methods on quest for quality/latency. Eg. Link cable vs Air Link vs Virtual Desktop
AC Nexus so far is fantastic! Just got my Quest 3 yesterday so I need to play more! I was already really impressed with it on Quest 2, but Quest 3 blows that version out of the water!
Is the resolution better? I've been trying to find out what the differences are
@@TheSparkynuts resolution is considerably higher and the pancake lenses preserve the quality of the pixels better than fresnel.
@@TheSparkynuts resolution to me looked higher and the frame rate looked much smoother compared to Quest 2 imo
@@TheSparkynuts Quest 3 is something around 30%-40% more resolution and is up to 120hz.
VR is amazing right now
Honestly I find it hard to play Doom on flatscreen anymore. Been playing it obsessively since i managed to get a hold of it in 1994, and I swear to god QuestZDoom has just changed the game again. Absolutely killer port, zero notes.
More than ray traced voxel DOOM?
@@Taijifufu QuestZDoom has voxel mods too. And pretty much every mainstream mod and total conversion.
@@Taijifufu I mean that is definitely fun as well, but for portable fun I take my Quest everywhere I go whereas the desktop stays home.
Yes, it’s great to hear John talk about VR! I never would have guessed I’d sell my $1000 Index for a $500 Quest 3, but it just does so many things right like he mentions. Now I’m ready for John to share some of his tips and tricks and hidden gems that he discovers with us! :)
Maybe Digital Foundry supporting VR will be the push that VR needs, to push it mainstream
Quest 2 sold 22 million in 2 years
@@robarmstrong5404 yup
@@robarmstrong5404 And has enough triple A titles to fill one hand, with three fingers left. DF can bring clout
@robarmstrong5404 Quest 2 also released around the time people were stuck inside thanks to covid and it was verry cheap. I don't see Q3 get those numbers
@kevinbuchanan67 DF isn't going to make VR mainstream though. There aren't millions watching this
Hope they do more VR coverage. So far the only VR yt channel out there that goes in depth into VR the way DF go in depth with flatscreen games is Without Parole's channel. No other yt VR channel comes even close. Without Parole never puts any sauce on nothing no sugarcoat nothing he keeps it 100% real to save people money from buying the garbage games which unfortunately there are more of than the good games. He praises the games that deserve it and doesnt hesitate at all to call out the mid and trash VR games. He does livestreams every Monday/Wed/Friday with other VR dudes and there are even VR devs joining these livestreams so the community is very solid. Highly reccomend anyone check out Without Parole for the best VR coverage
Virtual foundry!
Tbh Virtual foundry sounds lame. However DF VR sounds awesome
John you have to try the quest games optimizer on quest 3 it's a game changer, it's amazing how high you can crank the resolution and framerate on this new hardware quest 3 is far more capable than what we are seeing now!!!! The optimizer gives you that glimpse into the future of standalone vr.
We love you guys. Glad dark1x did like QuestzDoom so much. We love Doom in VR too. Brutal Doom or Doom 64 is just so fun in VR. It is indeed forever!
I honestly believe that the devs who are making games for VR are very passionate and excited to work and its like 2005-12 when devs were excited to make new games and now it’s just corps forcing them to monitize every single thing in the games
Quest platform is underrated. John I highly recommend you looking more into team beef ports. Jedi outcast is AMAZING.
Whoop whoop 🙌
there are absolute hidden gems on Quest if you're retro gamer. Team Beef ports like Doom, Quake and SW Jedi Knight among them, but also things like Myst, Rez, 7th Guest and even original stuff like Path of the Warrior which basically pit you inside a Streets of Rage/Final Fight alike... also check Journey of the Gods - it was made by a team in Turtle Rock studios, feels like a compact PS1 Zelda alike with with charm on its own... AC Nexus, just like RE4 or Medal of Honor, are top stuff to check on Quest...
Modded SkyrimVR is amazing, I got 240 plugins loaded for mods, texture mods, vrik, plank, higgs for full body interaction.
Other than the constant stuttering on Assassin’s Creed Nexus on Quest 3 😕, I agree.
John dabbing into VR is great. More VR content please. He needs to try Star Wars Rogue Squadron. First time sitting inside an X-wing or Tie fighter in VR is an experience I will never forget.
I built a PC bought the Yaw VR 1 and got into VR as a whole when Squadrons was announced. That game will probably never get a sequel, but it is one of the most impressive things in VR still
Anyone know how to get Doom VR on the Quest 3?
VR murder simulation is weird.
Try RE4 and Red Matter 2. FOR REAL
just got done playing doom 3 bfg edition in VR. so much fun.
It’s crazy that people are just now talking about GZDoom. This was on Quest through side quest for about 2 years now.
Not played AC Nexus obviously but John is describing the VR experience in general. Doing things not just button pressing. I haven’t played flat games since February after getting the headset. I want to load guns and swing the racket and climb. Crafting items and grab stuff. Haptics and headset rumble, choosing items on menus by looking at instead of thumb sticks. Can’t go back. Wire doesn’t bother me at all but I think chasing batteries would but to each his own. Excited for the titles and experiences going forward as developers get more out of the hardware. Way to get on board DF! Ubisoft needs to bring this to all VR platforms.
I must say that the MR part really was eyeopening and by far one of the best implemented mixed reality I‘ve ever seen. Very well made.
VR train. Woo woo!
Haven't used my Quest 2 in a while, mainly because my left controller's joystick is drifting, and my current pair of glasses turned out to be a bit too wide to comfortably fit inside the headset. Does anyone know if the Quest 3 has more "space" for your eyes than Quest 2?
You can get prescription lenses for your current headset if that would help
Quest 3 has a thing that moves the lenses in and out and comes with prescription lenses inserts for like $50. If your controller is drifting it’s likely easily fixed with wd40 electrical contact cleaner and some blasting.
to be honest I am fine with graphics but this standalone games need to dumb down the physics too...that what bothers me
The Quest 3 is the best technology purchase I did since... Idk... ever? No, seriously, it ruined flat screen videogames for me.
battery life is what keeps me from buying wireless..I have PC VR and PSVR2 ..VR games are so fun.
More vr content
I'm loving Doom VR on the Quest 3, its a really nice improvement over the Quest 2. Doom VR with the Brutal mod and 3D weapons is amazing.
Doom in VR is truly something to behold for people of a certain age. I bought the Quest 2 on release partly because I wanted to try my favorite old games from the 90s. Quake 1 2 and ESPECIALLY 3 are amazing on the quest. The railgun shots I can hit in Quake 3 is astounding. Some weapons are super OP in VR while pretty hard to use on a screen, such as the plasma blaster thingie and the lightning guns. In VR they're so easy to aim, you just point at the thing. With a mouse they're unwieldy.
I really hope that more devs realize that the old classics work in VR for those of us who have VR legs. For the vast majority it's gonna take a week or so, and then you can play stuff like Quake and Doom and all that good stuff.
Then jump into Contractors VR and play some Team Fortress 2 in VR. It is _the best_
Assassin's Creed Nexus VR is the primal VR game of Ubisoft but superpower by nice code
What? Assassin’s Creed didn’t pause to show a popup ad for Coca Cola or something? You do surprise me! I am looking forward to your, “showdown,” next year. I’m thinking of investing in a VR set, but have no clue how to go about it. I’m not a tech wiz. That’s why I rely on you guys.
Assassin's Creed Nexus is NOT great. Reprojection and stuttering kills it.
I've played the version of AC Nexus mentioned here, and I'd say the graphics are of similar quality to that of HL: Alyx with Low settings. It doesn't sound that impressive, until you realise it's entirely generated within the helmet itself. PCVR is a solution that's starting to look just a little clunky.
Assassin's creed vr makes me want a new Thief game on the quest. Ideally with explorable hub levels but I'd be happy with anything
On the Quest 3 you have to try Gran Turismo PSP! Runs at 4000x4000 at 72 FPS with PPSSPP VR! 👋
Climbing in VR is counterproductive and comes across as lazy what is the point of doing something that's repetitive and requires no skill how is any of that being conceived as enjoyable comes across more like a manual load in screen LOL
Do more VR stuff!!! Please get VR more in the spot light. Doubt care if it's psvr or PCVR we need bigger outlets to cover it.
Can you guys review red matter 2? There's a lot of reflections in that game
Quest 3 is awesome.
The quests dim depressing lcds and mobile graphics are a dealbreaker. I'll take gt7 on psvr2 all day
Now can we get gta v in vr
I'm loving my Quest 3! Can't wait to try classic DOOM in vr!
I definitely recommend the Walking Dead Saints and Sinners games for a lot of the immersion described here.
Quake 3 Arena is fun as hell on Q3 and Quake 4 is coming too. Doom 3 awesome.
If the Quest wasn't a Meta/FB product, I'd be all over it. Not into giving that company money though. Plus, they should have put OLED lenses in it.
OLED and pancake lenses don’t play nicely and something like micro OLED puts the price out of the range they want.
Looks awesome 👌 I love my psvr2!
But I wanna get a quest 3 at some point
Oh it's time to play Blade and Sorcery John.
Sword combat in Nexus is dreadful.
Luckily you can avoid it and the stealth/parkour makes up for it.
John, try brutal doom with voxel mods in VR.
Still pushing VR gaming?... what year is it?.
Got to try half life 2 on wireless pc vr. Is the best port ever , it’s like the game was made for vr.
You tried TeamBeef doom in VR and you did not try it with the Voxel Doom Mod? :o
Our PCs are ready for next-gen wireless VR
We will be there in a few years everyone, just hang on.
Wasn't this dude shitting on wireless VR
You need to play into the radius 😁
Holy crap I did not know about Doom VR. Just got a meta quest 3 over the weekend and been having a blast with all the usual classics like hl:a, beat saber, super hot, etc. can't wait to try out AC and doom now thx!
I had an hp reverb g2 and the quest 3 is way better. Wireless pcvr is where it's at
I love how theres things im still discovering in the game 7 hours in.
Holdinga weapon, holding trigger and flicking your hand changes the way you hold the weapon.
Holding your trigger and thumb down and moving your hand to your mouth whistles!
And flicking your hands in the proper motion to pull up your hood 🤘🤘🤘🤘
Hope you guys do more VR content, nothing is more bleeding edge that tests the limits of available hardware than VR and flat2VR modding.
You gotta try Portal 2 VR!
Sounds like the actual talents at Ubisoft got to stretch their legs with this project. - It's usually when a Ubisoft-studio gets to do a more unusual and quirky project, LIKE say the modern 2D Rayman-games, or the "Rabbids" stuff, the "South Park" games, that "Gods & Monsters" game, or "Riders Republic", or even the more spin-off type "Far Cry" stuff like "Blood Dragon" and "Primal", that they shine as they get to show what they can do. - This is why I still root for Ubisoft. I mean, sure, some of their big mainline games are fine, I played the crap out of "AC: Valhalla" or whatever. But the Ubisoft-execs should have more faith in the more unusual stuff and really push THAT more. Like it's sad how the "Gods & Monsters" game didn't get a sequel, or there hasn't been another 2D artsy "Rayman"-game... Things like that. - But at least... this "AC: Nexus" game seems to be a bit like their "Alyx", in that at least they're trying something different and genuine, even IF it had to be attached to one of their big "brands" to sell it. As long as it's genuinely fresh and good.
Nice to have my impulse decision to 'upgrade' from my original HTC Vive to a Quest 3, reaffirmed. I got my Q3 yesterday and I'm super impressed by the clarity and freedom of wireless. I'm currently looking into streaming my Steam VR-based games to the Quest via my router's 5G, but haven't yet got it working. I can use Air-Link successfully and see the Windows Desktop, browse my Steam Library (Very clear), but when for example, I launch 'The Rose & I' demo, it loads into my Quest, but then I guess, the differences in hardware kicks in. I can't seem, as the app suggests, to successfully 'Stare at Start, or press Select to begin'. 🤔
nice so see VR on DF.... I have to say, QuestZDoom is amazing, playing the classics dooms in VR is something trully awesome. Those Team BEEF guys do god's work on VR.
Kinda seems to me like "Assassin's Creed" turned into "Thief" all of a sudden, in a good way! - Also, this is why, to me, "AC" does indeed make more sense in first-person, at least for the stealth-stuff, and I'd argue that something like "Mirror's Edge", as much as people wouldn't want to hear this, would make more sense in third-person. - Don't get me wrong, when the first game of that came out, I was totally into anything first-person, and I loved that it was a freerunning/parkour game they did in first-person. But in practice, it's just such an obscured view that you often can't see what you're actually doing, especially in tighter spaces. - OK, maybe it would benefit from VR in a way, I've never had the opportunity to try one of those early mods. But if "ME" just had Faith in front of you like "AC", I think that would be a good way for a next game (if ever). It may seem like it would make it unoriginal, but I genuinely think it could be awesome (AND useful) to SEE your character do the parkour, a la "AC", and be in more control and also appreciate it more, probably even expand on the abilities even more. I imagine it would also be a bit like "Prince of Persia", sans the magical powers of course. - Then again, if they'd make a VR-title out of it, just like "AC: Nexus" here, that might be a very good way to bring it back as well. - But anyway, a tangent, I know...
I was also surprised at how well the hand-tracking works on the Quest. I figured they had to be fudging it a bit by recording my real hands and putting an outline on them, but no! The in-game hands are a lot smaller than my real hands, they're 3D models, not video footage!
Ngl.. climbing to the top of a mast of a ship as Connor, was one of the coolest things I've experienced in gaming, and I'm old, heh. It literally took my breath away and gave me that wobbly feeling in my legs... it was awesome, haha. The sensation of being up high is the same as real life, for me. It's so intense and I wholeheartedly recommend any gamer and especially AC fans to experience it. Is it the best VR game with no jank in any way... haha no.. no it's not, but Ubisoft made a fantastic first run, no doubt!
PSVR2 feels so outdated with its cable and its fresnel lenses after the Quest 3. Comfort is great on PSVR2 and so is the eye tracking. But all that is worthless due to the lack of Sony's Software Support.
Sony made some odd choices with that headset for sure.
That is your opinion. When it comes to graphics quality it is still miles better then a Q3. The fresnel lenses were chosen to bring out the HDR, with flat lenses the image quality wouldn't be as good. Also got my cable hanging from the ceiling, the cable isn't a down side for me. Better graphics and less latency.
@solid_justice5855 you play VR standing mostly still then. The quest 3 works outside. I've played blade and sorcery in a private yard before. I'm rather annoyed I have to wait until summer to fully utilize my device again. I'll toss graphics out the window for the ability to physically charge at the enemies.
@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 I either sit or stand. Wich most VR games require anyway. Lol why would you want to run outside? You don't have a room? I can move a few feet in my room while playing standing. Don't need to go outside to play VR
@@solid_justice5855 “Lol why would you want to run outside?”
/dies in endurance runner
More VR content 🙏
The Half Life 1 vr mod is amazing as well. Definitely worth a playthrough
Big endorsement, the tech has been really good for a couple years, the software and ux updates have just too far apart so hopefully they can keep this wave going
I am afraid of heights, but I wouldn’t use any settings to dilute the experience! I want to feel the rush of fear and go for it!
Doom really is one of the greatest games ever released. I had an awesome experience playing through the PCVR port a few years ago and I've recommended it to anyone who would listen since.
I just barely tried VR earlier this year after having played games for four decades, and it still blows me away every time.
Cries in psvr2
Really does feel like a watershed moment for VR even if the Quest 3 itself is an iterative release. I'm loving my time with it thus far.
Pray for VR
tried out quest 3 red matter 2 demo at best buy, hand tracking was awesome, makes it very believable like u are there in the game
It is qmazingggg
DF VR video gets a automatic thumbs up from me!
Play my game
I've been very impressed with Nexus
Also Doom3 in vr.
John keeps mentioning wireless VR. The first Oculus is wireless too...
The Rift? No it wasn't
The first Quest was, not the first VR they made: Oculus rift
The "oculus go" and the "Quest 1" were more like prototypes that few had. The quest 2 was the budget beast of the pandemic that sold 20+ million units. The quest 3 is full color AR device, as well as enhanced mobile VR, making it the most practical device.
@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 I never liked AR, when I want to play games with a VR headset on me I want to be in that game. Not see any environment I see every day. Also Q3 won't be a big succes like the Q2 I am sure
In the words of the late, great Ryan Davis:
"Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh"
What is he saying that Half Life Alyx hasn't already done and perfected? VR has terribly outtdated game design and no one has outdone Alyx.
Quest 3 seems like a downgrade from my PSVR-1, graphics wise. Play Resident Evil 7 to understand
How so?...it is in every way more advanced that PSVR1...Res 7 on that looks horrific compared to native quest 3 games
Quest 3 is so overrated. Pancake lens wont help much if the graphics arent near as sharp and detailed as PSVR2 that plus no OLED lenses like PSVR2. Once you try OLED thers no way you go back to LCD! Also why does it matter how clear or blurry the edges of your periphary vision are when all you will see clearly is where you look at directly anyway. We don't have pupils on the sides of our eyes lol. Quest 3 doesnt even do foveated rendering
Also add to the fact that wired headsets are way better than wireless bc you dont have any latency or image compression. Not sure why so many jumped the Quest 3 bandwagon when it's pretty mid tbh
@@Dd-fb2tj resolution & graphics are two very different things
@@CheckmateStallioN even psvr1 has OLED
@@CheckmateStallioN I think he couldn't get past the mura on the OG headset. It's a shame because re7 is the most terrifying experience on earth, hands down. Got it hooked to my PS5 using the duel sense
John is becoming so insufferable. His technical analysis is so basic.
He's trying to convey VR with words. It's not really easy, especially for a first-time user.
Get a life
DF in general is becoming lame, I think a lot of us got enthusiastic about hardware and software, binged a bunch of nerds telling us how things work and now we've outgrown them because John is talking like he just came out of a VR best buy demo. Has he lost all his memory of Half Life Alyx? Did he even play that? Alyx has done everything VR is doing still today which is why the platform is not grabbing anyone, a platform that has to wait in Valve time for the next experience because the rest of the industry doesn't care.
Salty xbot with no games to play 🤣🤣🤣
Meta Quest the best. PSVR2 sucks. Too limited.
Lol both are great