Zero aye yeah I have always been horrible with numbers(dyslexic). But this game somehow made me struggle through, still difficult for me but my brain recoils less in the opposite direction.
I played Eve when it first started, I remember when the general server load was 200 people and it was a huge deal when we reached the 500 and 1000 player server load. I did let my subscription lapse a few years ago and I have looked at the free to play. I couldnt do much with my character, couldnt fly all my fun ships, but it was good to have a look and see whats changed.
Nice overview of EVE Shipwreck. I tried EVE a long time ago, not sure of the year, but it was before Aura and the starting tutorials. I found myself in a capsule wondering WTF do I do now? Then I got bored in Elite Dangerous at the edge of the Galaxy last year, and happened on Scott Manley's Intro series from a few years back. It is the complexity of the game, and the fact that you have to MAKE YOUR OWN GAME that hooked me this time. Is it any easy game? Far from it. But I have always found people in the game willing to help me along the way. Even gankers. One my first forays into a wormhole I got blapped by Wingspan. And I got an EVE Mail from them explaining the exploration life style, and why the Sleeper Site I was at was a bad idea for character that was less than a month old. My first Procurer was possible because one player got out his Orca and fleet of alt miners and cleared a high sec belt and gave me the ore. EVE is a reflection of the best and the worst of the world today. New players hopefully can get past the a-holes in the game, and enjoy the rest. Find a good corp, Yumping Amok is gone, but there are others out there. It is the people of EVE that has kept the game alive so long, and what keeps the long time players playing.
Still looking for a corp, haven't really played much EVE lately, and have been playing Far Cry Primal for some mindless fun. Still subbed on Randir and Ronda training up the skills I put off for stuff I needed/wanted atm, and will figure out something soon. Probably Providence, or deep null, or maybe restart EverQuest... LOL.. Keep the content rolling, and will probably see you out there.
oh, Wingspan. they reckt Meritoc Industries(the corp im in) for some days in our WH. now a big WH corp showed up and got them off our WH but we suspect some Wingspan spies are in our corp cause they ask a lot and dont do anything
Been playing for 6 days and loving it the rookie help chat has been a great way to learn and I have found myself a small yet supportive corp in lo sec I really hope this game stays around for years to come as I can see myself sticking around as a paid subscriber....Great video informative really entertaining and very original enjoyed every second of it
@@ABadShowForBadPeople this video came back up in my feed and i was kind of surprised seeing my comment in the last 6 years of playing eve i have gone from an explorer in wh space running data and relic sites as a newbie to a director in a very large c5 corp i have made a ton of friends still play with a few players from when i 1st posted the above comment i basically went from a care bear to a very active pvp player who enjoys large wormhole brawls or solo and small gang content i like to think that videos like yours helped to keep me engaged in eve over the years even though i picked it up 6 years ago i was still super excited to travel to iceland for last years fan fest and met and hung out with 2 guys from corp and a heap of really cool players i can see myself playing eve for a long time to come or at least until the servers die and count content like yours in the begining to make that happen
"Dont fly around loot pinatas. You'll probably be fine" New players should join CAS NPC corps before moving onto a player one unless you have friends in game already.
The human centipede thumbnail brought me in but i loved the video. Also this video is so true, i saw a video of this big battle that supposedly happened a year or two ago and that got me hooked, but lol, so far I've mainly been chaining my skill training. Great video!!
I wanted to explore in EVE and made several attempts, but was always chased or killed for daring to look at a planet or enjoy the sites. Now I just play Elite Dangerous. The galaxy is big enough for true exploration and pirates are actually fun to contend with. A proper strategy and they can't get you. However I wish they would take a large chunk of EVE and inject it into ED.
Yeah that was exactly my problem as well with EVE. People can't take out their frustrations in real life so they take them out on you in the game, and you can't do anything fun or go anywhere without a constant fear of loosing everything.
That’s why you gotta get involved with a group of people that do the same thing and you can work with each other . You can only do so much alone in eve
I wouldn't walk into the wilderness alone naked unless I was in a game. lol You are fish food and there are bigger fish so group up like a school of fish. Work those instincts. Then you can nibble at the big fish or poison it and get a nice meal. Or realize its a game then work the system.
exactly elite good eve.....not so good, Seriously though Elite Dangerous is very much my favorite game and I think it is much better than this one. Also..the people that made eve did so by bankrupting White Wolf Gaming studios...so...they can all roast in the lake of fire while being forced to read every Changling rulebook...(seriously..Changling was freakn' awful....I liked the Vampires and Mages though)
Look! The moon light shows us for what we really are... We're not among the care bears and noobs. Niether are we 1337 PvP. For too long have I sat at gates in low sec and only shot noob ships. Too long have I shot down cyno ships and station camped with not even a hot drop. Too long without flying my Drake. I feel nothin! Not the solar wind on my face nor the spray of a gas giant... nor the warmth of an exploding Raven. Ya best start believing in Eve is dying memes, Miss Turner. You're in one.
But you won't want to as the prices just keep rising to the point where if you don't invest literally all of your time into the game you won't be able to pay for it with in game money.
But what you can do especially with the new Alpha model is save up and buy enough plex to go Omega every couple of months to improve your skills and then you get to use those that fall under the expanded Alpha umbrella. Even if you are above the alpha training SP cap. Just avoid none alpha skills or they still get locked out.
I've tried to get into Eve several times. I love that it's like it's own ecosystem--like a virtual biodome--where we can simulate what an anarchistic period of space exploration might become. But that's also why I could never stick with it. It's too much like a second life. It really feels like you have to make Eve your one-and-only hobby. If you want to make progress, you can't play any other games, you can't go to the gym, you can't ride your bike, you can't play with your dog, you can't do anything but go to work and come home and play Eve. I'm being hyperbolic, of course, but it really demands a lot of time, especially since it's so player-driven. That common MMO issue of "The guild wants you to be online at this specific time to do this raid/battle/whatever" still exists. Yes, many players are much more mature in Eve than most other MMOs and won't bitch at you because you have to pick up your mom from the hospital that day or because you wanna bang your girlfriend instead, but the fact still remains that if you want to actually, truly have fun in EVE, you have to set aside real-world time to dedicate to special player events in Eve. When I tried to play Eve, I had a pretty fulfilling life already and wasn't looking for a means to feel powerful or successful (not that my life made me feel that way--it didn't--but those were never priorities in my life). And I had friends that none of them would be interested in Eve, so I never had much incentive to use it for social interaction. But... I *wanted* to want all those things from Eve, because the premise and execution of the game is so absolutely fucking awesome. Also, I wanted to be able to manually pilot my own ship. Due to the MMO nature of Eve, this isn't really possible. Things need to be on timers and ship strategic positioning can't really factor to a wide degree since there is a massive amount of "ping" when you have a bunch of people connected to the same server. Eve has to be a turn-based game under the guise of being real-time--like most MMOs--to make things work. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, especially once you appreciate what Eve is really about (the meta game), but I have always loved space combat sims and wished Eve provided me that sim feeling along with a persistent,. player-driven universe. (Not sure what the state of Valkerie is and how it relates to the larger game at this time). Anyway. Then Elite: Dangerous came out and was exactly what I wanted: A persistent and changing world with a real economy that, while not player-driven, was player-influenced and *I* *could* *manually* *pilot* *my* *own* *ship* *with* *a* *HOTAS*!!! People complain that Elite is too shallow and there isn't enough player-agency in terms of the larger meta-game. They've added a lot of features to address that, but it will always seem infinitesimal in contast to Eve. But I like it because I can log in whenever I want and not worry too much about the game universe changing drastically. I've taken large breaks and they have implemented things during those breaks like PowerPlay, Engineers, and Aliens, but it doesn't really change how I play the game unless I want it to. I can neglect the game for months, then jump in and tear up a mining site and collect bounties and make enough credits playing for a couple hours a day for a few days to vastly modify my ship or even buy a better one. It's not really possible to play Eve like that; one needs constant engagement. It's interesting to think about, in a way. CCP has stated that the original Elite/Frontier games were their primary inspiration for Eve Online. The premise was basically: What if Frontier: Beyond Elite was a massively multiplayer game with a persistent, player-driven universe. Eve Online is their answer to that. Frontier Developments had a similar idea, but approached it differently: What if we made the original Elite in 2015 and made it multiplayer and let people fly their ships with a HOTAS? (No one seems to bring it up, but in a way Eve and Elite are sisters, or at least cousins: very different personalities, but they come from the same genetics.)
Played Eve off and on for a couple years now and I love it. Eve's player count is on the rise as well. It's at a 1 year high back at the 40,000 player average almost. Finally on the rise again.
Peak players on the average weekday only at about 5,000 players, most often less by a third. This isn't a dying game? News to me. www.eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Yeah i want space dogfighting too not just battleship. Smallest ones I've seen do ok but still. Now if that added planetside 2 to it like that dust whatever they had going and boarding parties and station raids I'd jump in for those.
Well EVE is celebrating it's 15 years anniversary, which means that a lot of people (me as well) enjoying it's complexity, it's by far one of the strongest EVE points, the only thing EVE lacking - a bit more action, sometimes it's really intensive and sometimes it is not.
No game that I have ever played has been as intense as EVE, including myself and two brothers screaming at each other in Super Smash Bros on the N64. It's more often then not quieter (completely depends on what your doing and where you are), but when combat probes show up on D-scan and you didn't spit them out...
EVE has all kinds of action if you're in the right corp. Half the time I log in, I immediately find friendlies calling up fleets or hostiles in-system. Failing that, something interesting almost invariably happens within an hour.
I'm an Eve Uni graduate, I spend my time with exploration and make my isk selling what I find at scanned sites. You can also buy pilots licence with in game currency and get some Omega status for a time. It will be a hard grind, but the best player don't need to open their wallets to play
Liked your video.. good brake down of the game, but if you want to get really simple as to what is Eve Online is.... IT's A GAME FOR ADULTS. Its that simple. The game requires.... time patience and money... and you have to study due to the depth of the game.. If your an adult looking for game/hobby (that's online)... this is it. The variety of people (adults) playing this game is astounding... From billionaire bankers to old bikers like me. The main problem with EVE Online is marketing.... cause they keep trying to market an adult game.... like its just any other kids game. Like this guy said. its a niche game... for adults.. and kids with patience, knowhow (ability to learn) and determination.
Fantastic video man. Subscribed! You spoke about the content of eve that is the most accessible for everyone and I really enjoyed everything you did say about the game. 10/10. Also, I enjoy your humor.
Great video, I've been looking at Eve for a while wondering if I should give it a go, and your video has finally convinced me I think! I want to try and get into doing some exploration, flying around the dangerous places , finding loot and avoiding the bad guys (or maybe killing them!) sounds like a pretty sweet way of whiling away my time (unsociable hours job!), just wondering , how much time/week do I need to dedicate to the game to have a goos experience? Also how long will it take to train to get into cloaky exploration ships? (I know I would have to have an Omega account to train stealth skills) Thanks for any response, will try and pluck up courage and plunge in. p.s. loved the scene from Freaks at the end, one of my fave films!
Q1- Well, there's no hard answer for this one. It just depends on what you want to do and how expensive your tastes are. You'll need at least a free hour or two to actually have a productive play session, but how frequently you play is entirely up to you. Once again, skills train passively, so your character will still be progressing even when you're not logged on. Regardless, if you can only play once a week, you can still earn some isk, do some PvP, and have some fun (it's especially easy to do all three as an explorer). And if you want to play everyday, there's plenty of stuff to keep you occupied.
Q2- It's actually possible to get into an exploration ship within your first play session. Do the New Player Experience (or skip it), and then find the nearest Exploration Career Agent (wiki.eveuniversity.org/Career_Agents#Tutorial_Systems_in_EVE) and complete his 5 missions in order to get your first exploration frigate. Of course, you won't be able to fit a cloak to it as an alpha, but you can at least get started doing some exploration in highsec. I believe the Caldari have the best T1 exploration frigate, but it might be a better choice to play as Amarr or Gallente, as their skills overlap quite a bit with the Sisters of Eve exploration ships.
Wow, thanks very much for the prompt and detailed replies, great info. Have got some time tomorrow, time to go for it. One plump and juicy new target entering space!
hey there, welcome to eve! ive done plenty of exploration over the years, and im happy to help a newbro learn the ropes... if youre still in, just let me know and we'll get you going
Sold it yes, but not for that much lol. Even though its not supposed to be allowed, Eve chars selling at various prices and have been for many years, but beware, if you get found out by CCP..................
@A Bad Show (For Bad People) Nice review but I would like to note that you missed the third free to play option that all new players should know of, that has been around well before alpha clones and is the main/original purpose of PLEX. A player can use his hard earned ISK (in game currency) to purchase PLEX to fund a subscription and become an OMEGA clone. It's a system in place that allows others to fund another players subscription through PLEX in return for that players ISK.
Is there a tutorial somewhere to show what you wrote? Do you absolutely need a rich friend who already play the game to do that? I don't care to subscribe for a couple of months, the only thing I don't like is the moment you stop paying you can't even access what you already unlock, I am used to pay an amount of money then owning the game for life and everything I found in it.
You can now unlock and retain access to a larger selection of items and ships. See for community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/clone-states-the-next-steps/. You can also pay for your subscription by using the in-game currency to buy plex from the market. Unfortunately, Plexing your account, is pretty difficult for new players to do. Regardless, I feel similarly to you. I'd rather pay full price for a game, than deal with microtransactions or monthly subscription fees. However, I can't say that I don't get my money's worth when it comes to eve. Considering how much I play, no other form of entertainment comes close to offering the same hours / dollar spent for me.
no mmo of any sort could truly operate as a pay once for the game and that's it, costs money to keep those servers up, to keep adding to the game to maintain and fix issues , they would be broke months after launch
Wow, this kind of reminds me of when I started to play League back in the day. All this insane amount of stuff and information you couldn't even grasp, but would start to understand and learn over time and so much to do and to explore!
14:51 *Triggered* Taiwanese can't really play on Serenity, because the account requires their civilian identity or local phone number to register(which we don't have, unless you fake their ID, not like it's hard anyway), the fact is, we just like rest of the world, the EVE Online is on the Steam market(with third world sub plan, price is great lol), and we can also paid the game on the CCP site, just like anyone actaully Well, I know it's some dumb information that no one cares, and there are surely having bunch of players here plays their version(because their friends, or because they can't read English), I mean, typical Taiwanese stuff right, really can't resist to said these xD
Nothing really special about it, just some dumb international situation made many of us really cares about the world map and such informations, it's typical because you can except literally every single incorrect labeled map or misinformation had at least one Taiwanese comments about it, and we so care about it, that even when 3 frames of wrong info can bring this topic up, and of the opposite, this kind of topic usually triggers the *cough**glorious*cough* PRC dudes that think the info is actually correct(of course the argument will never have a result), it's like after a EVE BR, only thing left will be a text wall of cancerous 8000m deep salty wrecks and everyone that not speak chinese will be hell confuse about it. This can be inside any kind of videos, like a chicken recipe vid, a tech review, kid playing toys, inside a random funny news that you will never except that it is even topic related(news said the footage is from __insert wrong place__), and can also be in the EVE Online tutorial xD Personally felt this is quite cancerous though, but guess it's hard to resist to comment about it lol The major problem might be we are so afraid to being disappeared by other mean force I think
Ninjas always win, Fleet ops suck, but, are also the most exciting part of the game. You will camp a gate with a kitchen sink fleet. You will be bored until the heat arrives.
It's hours upon hours of boredom gate camping until some target shows up then your interdictor pops his warp bubble, the target evaporates (if they suck), the loots scooped up then you head back to tumblr/youtube/gify.
It's neat how certain scams were literally built into the game mechanics. For example the way you can set up something like a play time item (Pilots License) as both the item being SOLD and part of the COST, so the seller sells the license, then immediately gets it back, along with all the ISPs the buyer gives him, ostensibly for the license. This "Boomerang Contract" scam could have been disallowed by simply coding the price to be checked before the transaction goes through, so an item could not be boomeranged back as part of the contract, but nope, the devs actually wanted Boomerang License sales to be a valid thing.
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While you try to argue eve is not play to win. Your argument is invalid. Bc the pay to win question is If a player faced off against himself who had paid for skills or ships, are the odds 50 50 he would win or lose. And the answer is NO, the odds arn't thus eve is P2W bc players can pay for an advantage. There is no counter arguement. Eve is P2W
Before people spam rage, I'm not saying Eve isn't worth playing or a great game. Yes to both of those, but the fact of the matter is simply it is P2W, it's always been that way. There's no since in lying about it.
First, thanks for your comment. Second, it is my hope that discussions, not arguments, occur in the comment sections of my videos. This is the internet, however, so we'll see how that goes. Third, your argument assumes all other things being equal. I mean sure, if you fought your pay-to-win doppelganger in an honorable one-v-one, then yes, he would have the advantage. The thing is, it tends to be the less skilled players who buy plex with cash, and then try to use it to gain an advantage. And they inevitably get their dicks knocked in the dirt by more skilled players, because ultimately, player skill is the biggest determining factor for fight outcomes. Money can be turned in to skill points, items, and ships, but it can't buy player skill. Thus, it functions more as a poor shortcut, rather than a mechanism for buying otherwise unobtainable advantages. After all, money can't be used to buy anything that can't be obtained normally through play. The purist will probably find any mechanism for turning money into an advantage to be unacceptable. And that's a sentiment that I can sympathize with. But, I also think that CCP has come up with a decent compromise. CCP keeps the lights on, some players get to play for free, some players get their crappy shortcuts, and everyone else gets to play the game they love. And ultimately, at the end of day, Eve still FEELS fair (btw, feeling fair is more important than being objectively fair, but I'll leave that argument for Extra Credits to make). Anyway, that last point is certainly subjective. Thus, I'm interested how many people feel the same way? So how about an unscientific survey. We're going to get some major selection bias with our sample, but I still hope that we get some responses. (1) Does Eve online feel fair? (2) Do you believe that Eve Online is objectively fair? (3) Have you ever turned real money into characters, skill points, items, and/or ships? (4a) If no, do you feel at a disadvantage for not doing so? (4b) If yes, do you feel like it gave you an unfair advantage? s2.quickmeme.com/img/5f/5f9555324320d315ace17b466ab7c67ff4b24c42f9a9a9b2527ff123b7bea65e.jpg
Many games have F2P models and are not p2w in anyway though. Still this isn't the biggest issue I feel Plagues eve. Eve's biggest issue is regrowing a playerbase, being its old. Its a very beautiful and well done game for the most part however, the early game.... Is a different story. And its that early game new players will be seeing first. The many bugs and glitches that will not only screw up the games tutorial but also the carear missions as well by doing something as simple as logging off. Is very very bad for player growth. New players haven't developed a love or loyality for eve yet, and 90-100% are F2P. So they don't care to wait and submit a ticket for mission reset, they rather quit and just not come back. This is directly against what the dev's want. I've been a gamer for 30 years, Its what I would normally do for most games. If the tutorial has bugs its not worth playing. I'm new to eve and found countless ones. As far as the P2W, limitations I hate it, tbh. I'm saying that and I plan on going omega later, much later. Why? because I know how to get around p2w and win in most anygame threw the years I've spent playing. That experence is the only reason I didn't quit eve when seeing basic bugs in the tutorial bc while buggy I knew eve tobe old and could see hints of more depth there. Just means the Dev's are lazy, its the only excuse for having a bugged forced early game. They simply were lazy when they made it, and didn't care about devolping a player base then. Until its fixed they are gonna have a hard time building one. Beause most will simply quit.
The problem with your if that you assume that they will have the same learning experiences. They won't. Right out the gate, the player that can buy ships, character skills and such with real life currency will usually have a more aggressive tendency, since he can easily replace anything he lost. Because of that it may cause him to explore less areas of combat, why bother when you can afford to replace ships and just need more DPS and tanking capacity. The player that has to train however, will be forced to analyze, research, study and otherwise find every single edge he can to victory, because of the fact that every time he loses a ship, it hurts, it was time and effort that just blew up. It creates a more calculating person rather than a hotshot, having to analyze every enemy, every strength and weakness in order to determine if it's worth the risk. So, in a sense, P2W is a thing in EVE, but it will only get you so far, and is in fact detrimental in the long run, as you will be hotshot rather than cold blooded. Sure sometimes you'll have someone who while paying, is by nature cold blooded so he'll still learn everything... But no system is perfect.
Well it took me a couple years to see this video lol. Very well done! I will use this to help all friends and family understand why I have been playing this game since 04. "Eve IS a harsh Mistress," and I'm so into that kinda thing!
Good wrap-up. I once played Eve, some years 2006-2012, almost skilled my account to a mothership (errr, supercarrier?), was a member of some old and long forgotten corporations or alliances (non-existent anymore). I would like to share of one of my first and oldest experiences from Eve-Online. I joined a corporation soon after starting to play eve, I had a 45 days old account whe the corporation joined a 0.0 PvP alliance. Anybody remembers Curse Alliance? ;) Anyway, to make this short: There was this war we joined, 2 bigger alliances fighting eachother, ISS vs IAC. We were on the IAC side. ISS had some major forces in the fight. This was the first time I have seen a mothership in EvE. Wow, it was a so f...n huge comparing to my Armageddon class battleship. I remember we ganged up on it and we dropped a few bubbles and tried to kill it, but all we achieved was a good laugh on local chat from its pilot. And he was out of the system after killing our Interdictors. After that fight, I logged out in a safespot in space - I had to do some grocery shopping. I was back 1 hour later and guess what. My flee went home. All the way back to Great WIldlands, forty something jumps. So I went on alliance chat. Asked for some help. Nothing. After a while I was asked: Do you have an updated clone? Obvious answer: O fcourse I do. Then no bid deal. Curse Alliance had a refund programs for ships lost in combat, so I wasn't scared. And so I started my slow and long journey home. After about 5 jumps I seen a few "reds" on local - but mostly "ratting" (killing PvE in asteroid belts), then after another 10 jumps or so, a sudden fear. A few guys arrived at same gate I just landed. Few seconds of terror, then... oooohhhhh. Relief - they were blue. They helped me get back home, we talked some on TS. I moved to their corp shortly after. Firetech Inc was the name. Small but friendly, good atmosphere. I stayed with the corp for a very long time. Why I told you about this is because if you are new to EvE Online, I wish you find a corp like I did. It was like an incubator for an IT guy - an environment where he can focus on things that are most important for him Be it PvE, PvP or even mining. Get an advice from old retired EvE player - get a corp, newbie ;)
There is a thing called EHP. A tornado costs 100 mil and does ~10k dmg in one shot (reload is so long it gets destroyed by the police before firing again, most of the time), drop chance is 50%. So transporting something worth more than 200mil in a ship with less than 10k EHP is a bad idea. The attacker wants to make profit and will probably scan your ship and cargo before committing. I assume it's high security space as the term "ganking" is reserved for suicide operations, not to regular pvp outside of it (there my formula doesn't work, you might get in trouble even with no cargo).
have to disagree with the "newbies dont get ganked" statement.. first is because they are new.. they will go places or do things that will get them killed.. like wandering into low or null sec.. taking loot from yellow ships or cargo boxes... ext... then theres the second gank reason.. because the are newbies... yup theres reason number two... sure sticking in high sec helps lots of newbs survive a bit longer.. sure the NPC police factions detere some ganking.. but if some asshat in a shiney ship decides to.. he/she can gank newbies to thier hearts content.. and some do it despite the fact that Concord will come blast their ship to pieces as well... some gankers even know how to avoid Concord... but the fact remains.. its that type of universe/game.... but for the love of the game.. please dont lie to newbies...they should know that being ganked IS part of the game.. they may not get ganked every day or every trip they take.. heck it is possible they will never be ganked.. but the truth is the possibility is ALWAYS there...
Okay, there's a lot to unpack here. First, I agree that newbies can a do get ganked. However, ganking newbies in starting systems is considered in violation of the Terms of service -see support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203209712-Rookie-Griefing. Anyway, that's what I specifically said. Second, evading concord by any means is considered an exploit, and subject to disciplinary action. More importantly, however, is whether or not I'm giving new players a false impression about the nature of the game. I believe that Eve is a brutal, PvP-centric game, with a harsh death mechanic, and that it can be rough on new players. But I also believe, that the biggest threat to new players is the new player quagmire. Thus, I tried to accurately represent what I believe the game to be, but also to try and address what I felt was the biggest thing standing in the way of them enjoying the game. You may disagree with me, but hopefully you believe that I'm being honest when I say that I don't think that gankers, or other turds, pose that much of a threat to new player enjoyment. I hate to give you a link, and say, "here, read/watch this because it supports my point." But, this post is getting pretty long, and I'm trying to finish my next video. th-cam.com/video/A92Ge2S8M1Y/w-d-xo.html. Anyway, thanks for your comment. -Oh, I'm being serious here. I know tone doesn't always come across correctly with text. Key & Peele - Text Message Confusion - th-cam.com/video/naleynXS7yo/w-d-xo.html
I played EVE a loooong time ago for 3 months or so, then quit playing for 2 years. When I went back to try again I used the same account and people were holding me up trying to ransom me saying "well your account is 2 years old you must have loads of money" and I couldn't get through to them that I was poor and still a newb and didn't know what I was doing lol - so I still got ganked. I quit again because the whole game was too hostile for my likings. I already have to deal with too many assholes in real life, last thing I want is to deal with it online too while trying to find my footing.
i just started 3 weeks ago .. and i only got ganked once .. well i was in low sec on my mining ship and i tried to fight back instead of warping away .. so ofcourse i died .. but if you are a newbie in high sec i dont think that you will die often atleast if you stick to PVE for the beginning
the game itself is not complex, or hard, or deep. The community makes the game that way. The game itself is barren, boring and lacking in depth. There is literally one thing to do and that is fly around and do missions. Everything else is just player interaction. The game itself is surprisingly bare bones and really just a waste of time.
Here speaks a person who has never spent a year or two in a wh corp, mining, exploration, PI, industry and research alone keep you busy. Then there's the fun of hunting down interlopers who were fool enough to come into your wormhole alone. Play the game for a few years before you start knocking it.
Yea, people still buy blinged out ships because CCP lets people buy isk. It WAS a great mechanic, but they really fucked that up. They had an opportunity to make industrialists and PVPers work together for mutual benefit. One group needs money, the other needs protection. But these days it's even harder for industrialists, now these guys can pour money into the game, buy fleets upon fleets of ships, and send them into a grinder without having to feel the same loss as the people that would rather earn everything in-game. This is a massive unbalance, and just more evidence that in-game purchases and microtransactions that give advantages to players are a terrible idea.
People can pour money into skills as well. I remember when I first started, not only did I not have that option, but we had learning skills, and you could lose SP. It took even longer to do dope shit, unless you didn't mess around with leaning skills too much, but then things would take longer in the long-run. (I pulled way ahead of someone who was too impatient to get them all to 5) Of course, when they did away with learning skills, I had soooo much SP to allocate into other skills. It was wonderful.
You realize that most people don't buy their isk. I can easily make billions a month doing ingame shit. Running DEDs, doing PI, doing market trading, looting wrecks from the people I kill. The richest people in Eve don't buy their isk. That would cost thousands of dollars. I don't really think you know what you're talking about.
It doesn't matter how many people do it, being able to buy an advantage in any game is a shitty feature. I never said anything about the richest people in Eve buying thousands of dollars of isk. YOU don't know what I'm talking about. If you can do better making money in game than by pouring money into it, that's super fantastic for you, gold star, but that's entirely irrelevant to the point I made. Earning money in game is the way it *should* be, and working up to that point makes it more worth the time and effort of playing the game. EDIT: I just realized you said billions per month. LOL. Are you aware that at minimum wage, someone that just started playing could pick up a couple extra hours and buy a billion isk? It used to be, moving that 10th digit up another notch kept me excited about playing. Now it bugs me that I could've just forked over 15 bucks for that..
Eve is full of annoying redditors these days. Also the company keeps making it harder and harder to PVP. It's becoming carebear farmville online. I'll come back when they make wardec evasion a bannable offense!
And right after they remove nos to make it so you can't just hold a guy down and beat the hell out of him like a gang of cowards. I'll come back ONLY once that happens.
Stormlord how contrare, id you are pointed, and they stuck the power out of your ship, there is nothing different then a fight where you are held down and choked to death unable to move to fight back.
Technically you can mitigate the effectiveness of NOS-modules by utilizing Cap Boosters or Cap Batteries (unless they recently removed the Nos resist from them).
MY 2 years of eve(unlikely i'd come back). Noob-->carebear--->Incursions--->wormholes---->nullsec---->wormholes--->bored and fed up. Also wormhole space did require maintenance. We'd have a fat ship at the pos for plugging holes every day as they spawned, leaving them with too little mass left to let any real threats through. WM space offered a tome down of the size of battles, we often built large ships in situ and top tier sleeper loot was lucrative af. But given the needed "passive" PVP loadouts we made sure to plug holes before running sleepers and had a few guys scanning.
I had an ALPHA account and spent months just logging in daily, improving skills until I maxed out every skill Alpha's are allowed. I had a mining ship, the best I could fly. I went on some quests and one wanted a particular ore, I found that in a low sec area, mined and ran and was killed by a pirate. After months of maxing every skill I lasted 47 minutes.
eve has a learning curve so steep you'll start the game and come out of it 3 years later with a degree in theoretical physics with a minor in quantum mechanics
Just had this show up on my recommendations randomly. I have heard a lot about EVE but never really looked into it. After seeing it laid out it definately is a game that I would not enjoy, but this was a well constructed and educational video.
I started out 3 weeks ago. I was going to a combat site the other day and this random person was helping me out surprisingly the other player helped and gave me 20mil isk... The online community are great n so hopefully. Love playing it.
You need make more videos like this like a 1 hour video, you can talk about any stuff but make sure you maintain your beautiful unmotivated voice because working people like me needs it for sleeping 🛌
You may want to add an annotation that the Aplha clone skill set has been expanded. You can use up to Battle ships now and even select small and medium T2 weapons. :)
TIME TO STRAP YOURSELVES IN TO A MEME ROLLERCOASTER THAT YOUR NOT PREPARED FOR BOIZ
zkill guide to Eve reviewing when.
Thanks man. You made my day.
Your fan from South Korea. thank you for your contents. I am waiting for your next vid.
Hi rhiload
my body has been ready since the TIDI in 9-4 bent my brain over and revived the boredom boner.
If you've watched the whole video without falling asleep, u are qualified to play this game.
I can almost hear the clinical depression in this man's voice...
Sounds Plinkett-ish
He sounds like that guy with a mullet from The Walking Dead
what do you mean almost?
Is everything in place?
HAHAHAHA! Im sorry i was just thinking that.
The monotone dead inside voice really lets me know you play eve :)
Chances are he's fc large fleets, 0.0 leadership roles sucks the out of you.
I can tell you've been playing Eve for a long time because all joy and energy have been sucked out of your voice.
Joseph Bissett 😂
Can I bring a Drake?
Add in a couple more dick jokes and this guy could be my CEO. =D
Lol best obe
EVE learning curve is so steep that you will have a Ph.D. in Economics by the time you're done with it.
Zero aye yeah I have always been horrible with numbers(dyslexic). But this game somehow made me struggle through, still difficult for me but my brain recoils less in the opposite direction.
"Done." I consider EVE a lifelong learning experience after the Ph. D., lol.
Yup
What if I told you I learned economics and corporate strategies from Eve.
I like Yahtzee's short and simple description of EVE.
"A secondary job that you pay for"
Accurate!
As long as there are Nerds in this world, EVE is where they will finally gather.
I had no interest in Eve before, I have no interest in Eve now, but I keep coming back to this video just because of his style of explaining stuff
This was honestly a much more accurate description of how EvE works than most videos, good job on that.
Haha that blurred out Warframe footage when you start to talk about grinding
Desgax Wow i sure would love EVE, because it turns out, im really into games like warframe, with an unending grind.
Desgax Warframe is my favourite game evarr, and i have 50 to choose from.
aka space fashionshow.
Play eve and love your points... what got me to watch even tho i already play was the human centipede thumbnail tho
yep me too
exactly
what has it got to do with the video?
facts
@@GazDaLad look at it again, several features that CCP eats up from person to person and together they shit out EVE.
Eve online, the best looking Excel sheet of all time... Haah good times
I played Eve when it first started, I remember when the general server load was 200 people and it was a huge deal when we reached the 500 and 1000 player server load. I did let my subscription lapse a few years ago and I have looked at the free to play. I couldnt do much with my character, couldnt fly all my fun ships, but it was good to have a look and see whats changed.
this is a drug dealer tactic lol
@@kronoscamron7412 tellin me i can find drug dealers that'll gimme free samples? Where do you live? I'm packing up as we speak
Nice overview of EVE Shipwreck.
I tried EVE a long time ago, not sure of the year, but it was before Aura and the starting tutorials. I found myself in a capsule wondering WTF do I do now?
Then I got bored in Elite Dangerous at the edge of the Galaxy last year, and happened on Scott Manley's Intro series from a few years back. It is the complexity of the game, and the fact that you have to MAKE YOUR OWN GAME that hooked me this time.
Is it any easy game? Far from it. But I have always found people in the game willing to help me along the way. Even gankers. One my first forays into a wormhole I got blapped by Wingspan. And I got an EVE Mail from them explaining the exploration life style, and why the Sleeper Site I was at was a bad idea for character that was less than a month old.
My first Procurer was possible because one player got out his Orca and fleet of alt miners and cleared a high sec belt and gave me the ore.
EVE is a reflection of the best and the worst of the world today. New players hopefully can get past the a-holes in the game, and enjoy the rest. Find a good corp, Yumping Amok is gone, but there are others out there. It is the people of EVE that has kept the game alive so long, and what keeps the long time players playing.
Still looking for a corp, haven't really played much EVE lately, and have been playing Far Cry Primal for some mindless fun. Still subbed on Randir and Ronda training up the skills I put off for stuff I needed/wanted atm, and will figure out something soon. Probably Providence, or deep null, or maybe restart EverQuest... LOL..
Keep the content rolling, and will probably see you out there.
Hey Tony. If you want to join a pretty good new player/vet friendly corp you can give Ascendance a go.(ascee.apps.goonswarm.org/) :)
Tony Kruchas Brave Newbies! Very active & new player friendly.
Starting anywhere between 2003-2007 was like being a fuckin pioneer.
oh, Wingspan. they reckt Meritoc Industries(the corp im in) for some days in our WH. now a big WH corp showed up and got them off our WH but we suspect some Wingspan spies are in our corp cause they ask a lot and dont do anything
Been playing for 6 days and loving it the rookie help chat has been a great way to learn and I have found myself a small yet supportive corp in lo sec I really hope this game stays around for years to come as I can see myself sticking around as a paid subscriber....Great video informative really entertaining and very original enjoyed every second of it
Glad to have you aboard.
Frets. Losec rools
@@ABadShowForBadPeople this video came back up in my feed and i was kind of surprised seeing my comment in the last 6 years of playing eve i have gone from an explorer in wh space running data and relic sites as a newbie to a director in a very large c5 corp i have made a ton of friends still play with a few players from when i 1st posted the above comment i basically went from a care bear to a very active pvp player who enjoys large wormhole brawls or solo and small gang content i like to think that videos like yours helped to keep me engaged in eve over the years even though i picked it up 6 years ago i was still super excited to travel to iceland for last years fan fest and met and hung out with 2 guys from corp and a heap of really cool players i can see myself playing eve for a long time to come or at least until the servers die and count content like yours in the begining to make that happen
*Pauses at **0:08* They're all NOUNS! I've cracked the code! *Leaves*
And then everyone clapped
That last one was a pronoun ;)
"Eve is BDSM for Gamers"
Dam, this was by far the best game review i have ever seen.
2:12 most accurate description of EVE ive ever seen summed up in one image
What's really weird, is that TH-cam recommended this video to me and a mere minute later, I get a notification that my EVE skill queue is now empty.
Dude your voice reminds me of Mr. Plinkett this shit is funny and great. good video
"Dont fly around loot pinatas. You'll probably be fine"
New players should join CAS NPC corps before moving onto a player one unless you have friends in game already.
The human centipede thumbnail brought me in but i loved the video. Also this video is so true, i saw a video of this big battle that supposedly happened a year or two ago and that got me hooked, but lol, so far I've mainly been chaining my skill training.
Great video!!
Solar Jetman and moo2 music Awesome! Ive played eve and got grieved out, so i came here to check out your channel/review and enjoyed it thoroughly.
I wanted to explore in EVE and made several attempts, but was always chased or killed for daring to look at a planet or enjoy the sites.
Now I just play Elite Dangerous. The galaxy is big enough for true exploration and pirates are actually fun to contend with. A proper strategy and they can't get you.
However I wish they would take a large chunk of EVE and inject it into ED.
Yeah that was exactly my problem as well with EVE. People can't take out their frustrations in real life so they take them out on you in the game, and you can't do anything fun or go anywhere without a constant fear of loosing everything.
That’s why you gotta get involved with a group of people that do the same thing and you can work with each other . You can only do so much alone in eve
I wouldn't walk into the wilderness alone naked unless I was in a game. lol You are fish food and there are bigger fish so group up like a school of fish. Work those instincts. Then you can nibble at the big fish or poison it and get a nice meal. Or realize its a game then work the system.
exactly elite good eve.....not so good, Seriously though Elite Dangerous is very much my favorite game and I think it is much better than this one. Also..the people that made eve did so by bankrupting White Wolf Gaming studios...so...they can all roast in the lake of fire while being forced to read every Changling rulebook...(seriously..Changling was freakn' awful....I liked the Vampires and Mages though)
Lucas Smith fuckin what!?
Look! The moon light shows us for what we really are... We're not among the care bears and noobs. Niether are we 1337 PvP. For too long have I sat at gates in low sec and only shot noob ships. Too long have I shot down cyno ships and station camped with not even a hot drop. Too long without flying my Drake. I feel nothin! Not the solar wind on my face nor the spray of a gas giant... nor the warmth of an exploding Raven. Ya best start believing in Eve is dying memes, Miss Turner. You're in one.
I'll check the game out, I think this is what I was hoping Elite:Dangerous was going to be. Excellent video btw
I like the overall feel of this channel. Good job dude. Your voice made this funnier than it has any right to be.
you forgot you can buy plex in game isk
But you won't want to as the prices just keep rising to the point where if you don't invest literally all of your time into the game you won't be able to pay for it with in game money.
But what you can do especially with the new Alpha model is save up and buy enough plex to go Omega every couple of months to improve your skills and then you get to use those that fall under the expanded Alpha umbrella. Even if you are above the alpha training SP cap. Just avoid none alpha skills or they still get locked out.
his depressed voice just sounds like Dyrus :D
Good video, thank you! Just started today and noticed what a commitment this game is. Contemplating about diving in! :)
lol love your style. subbed so I can learn more! Will try it one day. My research is exactly why I'm patient and don't wanna get hooked lol
I've tried to get into Eve several times. I love that it's like it's own ecosystem--like a virtual biodome--where we can simulate what an anarchistic period of space exploration might become. But that's also why I could never stick with it. It's too much like a second life. It really feels like you have to make Eve your one-and-only hobby. If you want to make progress, you can't play any other games, you can't go to the gym, you can't ride your bike, you can't play with your dog, you can't do anything but go to work and come home and play Eve.
I'm being hyperbolic, of course, but it really demands a lot of time, especially since it's so player-driven. That common MMO issue of "The guild wants you to be online at this specific time to do this raid/battle/whatever" still exists. Yes, many players are much more mature in Eve than most other MMOs and won't bitch at you because you have to pick up your mom from the hospital that day or because you wanna bang your girlfriend instead, but the fact still remains that if you want to actually, truly have fun in EVE, you have to set aside real-world time to dedicate to special player events in Eve. When I tried to play Eve, I had a pretty fulfilling life already and wasn't looking for a means to feel powerful or successful (not that my life made me feel that way--it didn't--but those were never priorities in my life). And I had friends that none of them would be interested in Eve, so I never had much incentive to use it for social interaction. But... I *wanted* to want all those things from Eve, because the premise and execution of the game is so absolutely fucking awesome.
Also, I wanted to be able to manually pilot my own ship. Due to the MMO nature of Eve, this isn't really possible. Things need to be on timers and ship strategic positioning can't really factor to a wide degree since there is a massive amount of "ping" when you have a bunch of people connected to the same server. Eve has to be a turn-based game under the guise of being real-time--like most MMOs--to make things work. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, especially once you appreciate what Eve is really about (the meta game), but I have always loved space combat sims and wished Eve provided me that sim feeling along with a persistent,. player-driven universe. (Not sure what the state of Valkerie is and how it relates to the larger game at this time).
Anyway. Then Elite: Dangerous came out and was exactly what I wanted: A persistent and changing world with a real economy that, while not player-driven, was player-influenced and *I* *could* *manually* *pilot* *my* *own* *ship* *with* *a* *HOTAS*!!! People complain that Elite is too shallow and there isn't enough player-agency in terms of the larger meta-game. They've added a lot of features to address that, but it will always seem infinitesimal in contast to Eve. But I like it because I can log in whenever I want and not worry too much about the game universe changing drastically. I've taken large breaks and they have implemented things during those breaks like PowerPlay, Engineers, and Aliens, but it doesn't really change how I play the game unless I want it to. I can neglect the game for months, then jump in and tear up a mining site and collect bounties and make enough credits playing for a couple hours a day for a few days to vastly modify my ship or even buy a better one. It's not really possible to play Eve like that; one needs constant engagement.
It's interesting to think about, in a way. CCP has stated that the original Elite/Frontier games were their primary inspiration for Eve Online. The premise was basically: What if Frontier: Beyond Elite was a massively multiplayer game with a persistent, player-driven universe. Eve Online is their answer to that. Frontier Developments had a similar idea, but approached it differently: What if we made the original Elite in 2015 and made it multiplayer and let people fly their ships with a HOTAS? (No one seems to bring it up, but in a way Eve and Elite are sisters, or at least cousins: very different personalities, but they come from the same genetics.)
lol it funny my eve dust 514 toon is in that mandalore video he talking about apparently im used to depict the end of dust lol
Bitter vet here to tell you this is the best introductory video I have seen yet!!
Played Eve off and on for a couple years now and I love it. Eve's player count is on the rise as well. It's at a 1 year high back at the 40,000 player average almost. Finally on the rise again.
Eve isn't hard, it just demands a shit ton of time.
And also a lot of dedication. So much so, that it becomes a 2nd job.
You just said the deffinition lf "hard" with enough time, any difficult task cam be done...
Eve is dying is a meme. Not a legit thing lol
tbh there is talk of ea possibly buying it which has a high potential of actually killing the game ^^
Except for the part about continuously declining sub numbers.
I assume if EA buys the game, the player base will start playing the new "Eve vs EA" game...
Peak players on the average weekday only at about 5,000 players, most often less by a third. This isn't a dying game? News to me. www.eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
are you looking at right graph, bruh?
elite dangerous is where i go for exploration, eve where i go for crying, and star citizen for pure bliss
Hey thanks for making this video. I have started Alpha thanks to you and have used the link. I plan on going omega soon. Enjoy your plex!
16:50 Why I don't play EVE. That gameplay though... and the UI has icons and buttons and stats and everything! GLHF
Yeah i want space dogfighting too not just battleship. Smallest ones I've seen do ok but still. Now if that added planetside 2 to it like that dust whatever they had going and boarding parties and station raids I'd jump in for those.
Well EVE is celebrating it's 15 years anniversary, which means that a lot of people (me as well) enjoying it's complexity, it's by far one of the strongest EVE points, the only thing EVE lacking - a bit more action, sometimes it's really intensive and sometimes it is not.
No game that I have ever played has been as intense as EVE, including myself and two brothers screaming at each other in Super Smash Bros on the N64. It's more often then not quieter (completely depends on what your doing and where you are), but when combat probes show up on D-scan and you didn't spit them out...
EVE has all kinds of action if you're in the right corp. Half the time I log in, I immediately find friendlies calling up fleets or hostiles in-system. Failing that, something interesting almost invariably happens within an hour.
I have been told Eve oddly mirrors the real world. Its hours, days, WEEKS of nothing. Then minutes of raw panic and pounding adrenaline.
It really depends. You can get the adrenaline rush almost every day if you go looking for it in the right places.
Nicely done mate. A very nice, brief and surprisingly concise overview of a very complex game.
Excellent stuff.
I'm an Eve Uni graduate, I spend my time with exploration and make my isk selling what I find at scanned sites. You can also buy pilots licence with in game currency and get some Omega status for a time. It will be a hard grind, but the best player don't need to open their wallets to play
Liked your video.. good brake down of the game, but if you want to get really simple as to what is Eve Online is.... IT's A GAME FOR ADULTS.
Its that simple. The game requires.... time patience and money... and you have to study due to the depth of the game..
If your an adult looking for game/hobby (that's online)... this is it. The variety of people (adults) playing this game is astounding... From billionaire bankers to old bikers like me. The main problem with EVE Online is marketing.... cause they keep trying to market an adult game.... like its just any other kids game.
Like this guy said. its a niche game... for adults.. and kids with patience, knowhow (ability to learn) and determination.
Breakdown*
You mean "requires autism". No adult wants to stare at spreadsheets all day.
Non autistic person here, i like to stare at spreadsheets. EvE is still pretty scary to me.
le get off my lawn maymay xd
Ostrich160 like he said, its good for the weekend
Do you always sound like you're slowly dying in a pool of boredom?
Fantastic video man. Subscribed! You spoke about the content of eve that is the most accessible for everyone and I really enjoyed everything you did say about the game. 10/10. Also, I enjoy your humor.
Loved the chrono trigger and master of orion 2 sounds you used!
Great video, I've been looking at Eve for a while wondering if I should give it a go, and your video has finally convinced me I think!
I want to try and get into doing some exploration, flying around the dangerous places , finding loot and avoiding the bad guys (or maybe killing them!) sounds like a pretty sweet way of whiling away my time (unsociable hours job!), just wondering , how much time/week do I need to dedicate to the game to have a goos experience? Also how long will it take to train to get into cloaky exploration ships? (I know I would have to have an Omega account to train stealth skills)
Thanks for any response, will try and pluck up courage and plunge in.
p.s. loved the scene from Freaks at the end, one of my fave films!
Q1- Well, there's no hard answer for this one. It just depends on what you want to do and how expensive your tastes are. You'll need at least a free hour or two to actually have a productive play session, but how frequently you play is entirely up to you. Once again, skills train passively, so your character will still be progressing even when you're not logged on. Regardless, if you can only play once a week, you can still earn some isk, do some PvP, and have some fun (it's especially easy to do all three as an explorer). And if you want to play everyday, there's plenty of stuff to keep you occupied.
Q2- It's actually possible to get into an exploration ship within your first play session. Do the New Player Experience (or skip it), and then find the nearest Exploration Career Agent (wiki.eveuniversity.org/Career_Agents#Tutorial_Systems_in_EVE) and complete his 5 missions in order to get your first exploration frigate. Of course, you won't be able to fit a cloak to it as an alpha, but you can at least get started doing some exploration in highsec. I believe the Caldari have the best T1 exploration frigate, but it might be a better choice to play as Amarr or Gallente, as their skills overlap quite a bit with the Sisters of Eve exploration ships.
Wow, thanks very much for the prompt and detailed replies, great info.
Have got some time tomorrow, time to go for it.
One plump and juicy new target entering space!
hey there, welcome to eve! ive done plenty of exploration over the years, and im happy to help a newbro learn the ropes... if youre still in, just let me know and we'll get you going
If u need help mate, message Parobro ingame :)
Is it true that an Eve player a while back sold his huge mining operation for over half a million real dollars?
Sold it yes, but not for that much lol. Even though its not supposed to be allowed, Eve chars selling at various prices and have been for many years, but beware, if you get found out by CCP..................
John Wignall
Who cares if you sell the account first ;)
thank you for the work and humor in all of this, 10/10 fun to listen to, well done
I can sense the joy of life in your voice.
Would experience from Elite Dangerous translate over to EVE?
No
Just stay in ED
Jacob Nugent not in the slightest, might even be a hindrance.
@A Bad Show (For Bad People)
Nice review but I would like to note that you missed the third free to play option that all new players should know of, that has been around well before alpha clones and is the main/original purpose of PLEX.
A player can use his hard earned ISK (in game currency) to purchase PLEX to fund a subscription and become an OMEGA clone. It's a system in place that allows others to fund another players subscription through PLEX in return for that players ISK.
Thanks for the info. I'll probably have to make a video about plex at some point.
Is there a tutorial somewhere to show what you wrote? Do you absolutely need a rich friend who already play the game to do that? I don't care to subscribe for a couple of months, the only thing I don't like is the moment you stop paying you can't even access what you already unlock, I am used to pay an amount of money then owning the game for life and everything I found in it.
You can now unlock and retain access to a larger selection of items and ships. See for community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/clone-states-the-next-steps/. You can also pay for your subscription by using the in-game currency to buy plex from the market. Unfortunately, Plexing your account, is pretty difficult for new players to do. Regardless, I feel similarly to you. I'd rather pay full price for a game, than deal with microtransactions or monthly subscription fees. However, I can't say that I don't get my money's worth when it comes to eve. Considering how much I play, no other form of entertainment comes close to offering the same hours / dollar spent for me.
no mmo of any sort could truly operate as a pay once for the game and that's it, costs money to keep those servers up, to keep adding to the game to maintain and fix issues , they would be broke months after launch
Wow, this kind of reminds me of when I started to play League back in the day. All this insane amount of stuff and information you couldn't even grasp, but would start to understand and learn over time and so much to do and to explore!
I have played Eve for 9 years, and I must say. This video was absolutely hilarious. Great job, spot on.
14:51 *Triggered* Taiwanese can't really play on Serenity, because the account requires their civilian identity or local phone number to register(which we don't have, unless you fake their ID, not like it's hard anyway), the fact is, we just like rest of the world, the EVE Online is on the Steam market(with third world sub plan, price is great lol), and we can also paid the game on the CCP site, just like anyone actaully
Well, I know it's some dumb information that no one cares, and there are surely having bunch of players here plays their version(because their friends, or because they can't read English), I mean, typical Taiwanese stuff right, really can't resist to said these xD
"Well, I know it's some dumb information that no one cares" - Not at all. Thanks for your comment.
Tell me more about "typical Taiwanese stuff", my interest is peaqued.
Nothing really special about it, just some dumb international situation made many of us really cares about the world map and such informations, it's typical because you can except literally every single incorrect labeled map or misinformation had at least one Taiwanese comments about it, and we so care about it, that even when 3 frames of wrong info can bring this topic up, and of the opposite, this kind of topic usually triggers the *cough**glorious*cough* PRC dudes that think the info is actually correct(of course the argument will never have a result), it's like after a EVE BR, only thing left will be a text wall of cancerous 8000m deep salty wrecks and everyone that not speak chinese will be hell confuse about it. This can be inside any kind of videos, like a chicken recipe vid, a tech review, kid playing toys, inside a random funny news that you will never except that it is even topic related(news said the footage is from __insert wrong place__), and can also be in the EVE Online tutorial xD
Personally felt this is quite cancerous though, but guess it's hard to resist to comment about it lol
The major problem might be we are so afraid to being disappeared by other mean force I think
Taiwan is apart of China don’t think you aren’t
China doesn’t want a war with the US yet so you should be fine
Ninjas always win, Fleet ops suck, but, are also the most exciting part of the game. You will camp a gate with a kitchen sink fleet. You will be bored until the heat arrives.
I have been killed by "blues" more than known hostiles or neutrals. So, when boredom strikes, kill your FC.
It's hours upon hours of boredom gate camping until some target shows up then your interdictor pops his warp bubble, the target evaporates (if they suck), the loots scooped up then you head back to tumblr/youtube/gify.
Small Gang >>> Fleet but if you have the balls and skill for it Solo is the most exciting.
Can we take a moment to thank the op for the time invested in making this vid. Respect.
It's neat how certain scams were literally built into the game mechanics. For example the way you can set up something like a play time item (Pilots License) as both the item being SOLD and part of the COST, so the seller sells the license, then immediately gets it back, along with all the ISPs the buyer gives him, ostensibly for the license.
This "Boomerang Contract" scam could have been disallowed by simply coding the price to be checked before the transaction goes through, so an item could not be boomeranged back as part of the contract, but nope, the devs actually wanted Boomerang License sales to be a valid thing.
Will Star Citizen become a 1st person Eve?
Mandalore on Star Citizen - th-cam.com/video/IHUbzzKJXBc/w-d-xo.html
Downward Thrust on Star Citizen - th-cam.com/video/aL_eJJZxEXQ/w-d-xo.html
Star Citizen has the potential to be both, one of the most amazing games of all time, and one of the biggest disappointments in the history of gaming. I have my suspicions as to which one it will end up as, but my opinion on the matter is highly speculative. I will say that I don't actually think it's a scam, I was just being cheeky with my reference.
A Bad Show (For Bad People) i will watch them right away, thanks!
Want important material on SC? Explained here on the project being put together - th-cam.com/video/vLGucMKTUt8/w-d-xo.html
Dispelling dumb rumors about the company - th-cam.com/video/M5YbKcLc370/w-d-xo.html
The developers are making it sound like it will, but we’ll see
Alberto Castellanos maybe it will, but we will all be dead long before then
While you try to argue eve is not play to win. Your argument is invalid. Bc the pay to win question is If a player faced off against himself who had paid for skills or ships, are the odds 50 50 he would win or lose. And the answer is NO, the odds arn't thus eve is P2W bc players can pay for an advantage. There is no counter arguement. Eve is P2W
Before people spam rage, I'm not saying Eve isn't worth playing or a great game. Yes to both of those, but the fact of the matter is simply it is P2W, it's always been that way. There's no since in lying about it.
First, thanks for your comment. Second, it is my hope that discussions, not arguments, occur in the comment sections of my videos. This is the internet, however, so we'll see how that goes.
Third, your argument assumes all other things being equal. I mean sure, if you fought your pay-to-win doppelganger in an honorable one-v-one, then yes, he would have the advantage. The thing is, it tends to be the less skilled players who buy plex with cash, and then try to use it to gain an advantage. And they inevitably get their dicks knocked in the dirt by more skilled players, because ultimately, player skill is the biggest determining factor for fight outcomes. Money can be turned in to skill points, items, and ships, but it can't buy player skill. Thus, it functions more as a poor shortcut, rather than a mechanism for buying otherwise unobtainable advantages. After all, money can't be used to buy anything that can't be obtained normally through play.
The purist will probably find any mechanism for turning money into an advantage to be unacceptable. And that's a sentiment that I can sympathize with. But, I also think that CCP has come up with a decent compromise. CCP keeps the lights on, some players get to play for free, some players get their crappy shortcuts, and everyone else gets to play the game they love. And ultimately, at the end of day, Eve still FEELS fair (btw, feeling fair is more important than being objectively fair, but I'll leave that argument for Extra Credits to make).
Anyway, that last point is certainly subjective. Thus, I'm interested how many people feel the same way? So how about an unscientific survey. We're going to get some major selection bias with our sample, but I still hope that we get some responses.
(1) Does Eve online feel fair?
(2) Do you believe that Eve Online is objectively fair?
(3) Have you ever turned real money into characters, skill points, items, and/or ships?
(4a) If no, do you feel at a disadvantage for not doing so?
(4b) If yes, do you feel like it gave you an unfair advantage?
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Many games have F2P models and are not p2w in anyway though. Still this isn't the biggest issue I feel Plagues eve. Eve's biggest issue is regrowing a playerbase, being its old. Its a very beautiful and well done game for the most part however, the early game.... Is a different story. And its that early game new players will be seeing first. The many bugs and glitches that will not only screw up the games tutorial but also the carear missions as well by doing something as simple as logging off. Is very very bad for player growth.
New players haven't developed a love or loyality for eve yet, and 90-100% are F2P. So they don't care to wait and submit a ticket for mission reset, they rather quit and just not come back. This is directly against what the dev's want. I've been a gamer for 30 years, Its what I would normally do for most games. If the tutorial has bugs its not worth playing. I'm new to eve and found countless ones. As far as the P2W, limitations I hate it, tbh. I'm saying that and I plan on going omega later, much later. Why? because I know how to get around p2w and win in most anygame threw the years I've spent playing. That experence is the only reason I didn't quit eve when seeing basic bugs in the tutorial bc while buggy I knew eve tobe old and could see hints of more depth there. Just means the Dev's are lazy, its the only excuse for having a bugged forced early game. They simply were lazy when they made it, and didn't care about devolping a player base then. Until its fixed they are gonna have a hard time building one. Beause most will simply quit.
(1) No because of the option to pay real money for a leg up.
(2) No for the same reason as (1).
(3) No
(4a) Yes
(4b) N/A
The problem with your if that you assume that they will have the same learning experiences. They won't.
Right out the gate, the player that can buy ships, character skills and such with real life currency will usually have a more aggressive tendency, since he can easily replace anything he lost. Because of that it may cause him to explore less areas of combat, why bother when you can afford to replace ships and just need more DPS and tanking capacity.
The player that has to train however, will be forced to analyze, research, study and otherwise find every single edge he can to victory, because of the fact that every time he loses a ship, it hurts, it was time and effort that just blew up. It creates a more calculating person rather than a hotshot, having to analyze every enemy, every strength and weakness in order to determine if it's worth the risk.
So, in a sense, P2W is a thing in EVE, but it will only get you so far, and is in fact detrimental in the long run, as you will be hotshot rather than cold blooded. Sure sometimes you'll have someone who while paying, is by nature cold blooded so he'll still learn everything... But no system is perfect.
Well it took me a couple years to see this video lol. Very well done! I will use this to help all friends and family understand why I have been playing this game since 04. "Eve IS a harsh Mistress," and I'm so into that kinda thing!
Good wrap-up.
I once played Eve, some years 2006-2012, almost skilled my account to a mothership (errr, supercarrier?), was a member of some old and long forgotten corporations or alliances (non-existent anymore). I would like to share of one of my first and oldest experiences from Eve-Online.
I joined a corporation soon after starting to play eve, I had a 45 days old account whe the corporation joined a 0.0 PvP alliance. Anybody remembers Curse Alliance? ;)
Anyway, to make this short:
There was this war we joined, 2 bigger alliances fighting eachother, ISS vs IAC. We were on the IAC side. ISS had some major forces in the fight.
This was the first time I have seen a mothership in EvE. Wow, it was a so f...n huge comparing to my Armageddon class battleship.
I remember we ganged up on it and we dropped a few bubbles and tried to kill it, but all we achieved was a good laugh on local chat from its pilot.
And he was out of the system after killing our Interdictors.
After that fight, I logged out in a safespot in space - I had to do some grocery shopping.
I was back 1 hour later and guess what.
My flee went home.
All the way back to Great WIldlands, forty something jumps.
So I went on alliance chat. Asked for some help. Nothing. After a while I was asked: Do you have an updated clone?
Obvious answer: O fcourse I do. Then no bid deal. Curse Alliance had a refund programs for ships lost in combat, so I wasn't scared.
And so I started my slow and long journey home.
After about 5 jumps I seen a few "reds" on local - but mostly "ratting" (killing PvE in asteroid belts), then after another 10 jumps or so, a sudden fear. A few guys arrived at same gate I just landed. Few seconds of terror, then... oooohhhhh. Relief - they were blue. They helped me get back home, we talked some on TS.
I moved to their corp shortly after. Firetech Inc was the name. Small but friendly, good atmosphere.
I stayed with the corp for a very long time.
Why I told you about this is because if you are new to EvE Online, I wish you find a corp like I did.
It was like an incubator for an IT guy - an environment where he can focus on things that are most important for him
Be it PvE, PvP or even mining.
Get an advice from old retired EvE player - get a corp, newbie ;)
Got Ganked with Raitaru on board worth 700 Mil Isk in 0.8 Sec, that's the risk of EVE anyhthing can happen and can cost you
Hey suffer that last month. Feel your pain friend
Well, you flew a loot pinata.
Nice, can you let me know the next time you will be doing that?
did you feel some miniluv :)
There is a thing called EHP. A tornado costs 100 mil and does ~10k dmg in one shot (reload is so long it gets destroyed by the police before firing again, most of the time), drop chance is 50%. So transporting something worth more than 200mil in a ship with less than 10k EHP is a bad idea. The attacker wants to make profit and will probably scan your ship and cargo before committing. I assume it's high security space as the term "ganking" is reserved for suicide operations, not to regular pvp outside of it (there my formula doesn't work, you might get in trouble even with no cargo).
"Is Eve pay to win?" "No"
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FUCK THIS GAME SOUNDS GOOD, gonna try to join a gang and become a pirate stealing other's cargo, love games like this man! great video aswell
If you told me John Goodman was reading Huckleberry Fin but in the eve universe, I would totally believe it.
6:56 "If we zoom-out and take a more microscopic look"
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have to disagree with the "newbies dont get ganked" statement.. first is because they are new.. they will go places or do things that will get them killed.. like wandering into low or null sec.. taking loot from yellow ships or cargo boxes... ext... then theres the second gank reason.. because the are newbies... yup theres reason number two... sure sticking in high sec helps lots of newbs survive a bit longer.. sure the NPC police factions detere some ganking.. but if some asshat in a shiney ship decides to.. he/she can gank newbies to thier hearts content.. and some do it despite the fact that Concord will come blast their ship to pieces as well... some gankers even know how to avoid Concord... but the fact remains.. its that type of universe/game.... but for the love of the game.. please dont lie to newbies...they should know that being ganked IS part of the game.. they may not get ganked every day or every trip they take.. heck it is possible they will never be ganked.. but the truth is the possibility is ALWAYS there...
Okay, there's a lot to unpack here. First, I agree that newbies can a do get ganked. However, ganking newbies in starting systems is considered in violation of the Terms of service -see support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203209712-Rookie-Griefing. Anyway, that's what I specifically said. Second, evading concord by any means is considered an exploit, and subject to disciplinary action.
More importantly, however, is whether or not I'm giving new players a false impression about the nature of the game. I believe that Eve is a brutal, PvP-centric game, with a harsh death mechanic, and that it can be rough on new players. But I also believe, that the biggest threat to new players is the new player quagmire. Thus, I tried to accurately represent what I believe the game to be, but also to try and address what I felt was the biggest thing standing in the way of them enjoying the game. You may disagree with me, but hopefully you believe that I'm being honest when I say that I don't think that gankers, or other turds, pose that much of a threat to new player enjoyment. I hate to give you a link, and say, "here, read/watch this because it supports my point." But, this post is getting pretty long, and I'm trying to finish my next video.
th-cam.com/video/A92Ge2S8M1Y/w-d-xo.html.
Anyway, thanks for your comment.
-Oh, I'm being serious here. I know tone doesn't always come across correctly with text.
Key & Peele - Text Message Confusion - th-cam.com/video/naleynXS7yo/w-d-xo.html
I played EVE a loooong time ago for 3 months or so, then quit playing for 2 years. When I went back to try again I used the same account and people were holding me up trying to ransom me saying "well your account is 2 years old you must have loads of money" and I couldn't get through to them that I was poor and still a newb and didn't know what I was doing lol - so I still got ganked. I quit again because the whole game was too hostile for my likings. I already have to deal with too many assholes in real life, last thing I want is to deal with it online too while trying to find my footing.
i just started 3 weeks ago .. and i only got ganked once .. well i was in low sec on my mining ship and i tried to fight back instead of warping away .. so ofcourse i died .. but if you are a newbie in high sec i dont think that you will die often atleast if you stick to PVE for the beginning
Covert ops cloak would largely fix your issue. :) Or just explore highsec.
I've played for 6 years and never been ganked in anything other than null and wormhole. If you are careful youre fine.
This is a great video. Took the last 6months off after 3+ years of Eve. Definitely got me itching to play again, so well done with the video.
I played eve for like 5 years just about everyday, still one of the greatest gaming experiences but it is like having a job if you get into it.
Where's the God Emperor of Mankind? What kind of blaspheme is this?
the game itself is not complex, or hard, or deep. The community makes the game that way. The game itself is barren, boring and lacking in depth. There is literally one thing to do and that is fly around and do missions. Everything else is just player interaction. The game itself is surprisingly bare bones and really just a waste of time.
LouSaydus
So, just like life?
Here speaks a person who has never spent a year or two in a wh corp, mining, exploration, PI, industry and research alone keep you busy. Then there's the fun of hunting down interlopers who were fool enough to come into your wormhole alone. Play the game for a few years before you start knocking it.
LouSaydus A sandbox is also just a pile of dirt but still, you enjoyed it as a child. Why is that?
Adventure Quest is also still up and running. Ahhh... childhood.
This delivered way more than I expected. As a bitter vet I would love to see this use as a promo to get new bros interested.
Yea, people still buy blinged out ships because CCP lets people buy isk. It WAS a great mechanic, but they really fucked that up.
They had an opportunity to make industrialists and PVPers work together for mutual benefit. One group needs money, the other needs protection. But these days it's even harder for industrialists, now these guys can pour money into the game, buy fleets upon fleets of ships, and send them into a grinder without having to feel the same loss as the people that would rather earn everything in-game. This is a massive unbalance, and just more evidence that in-game purchases and microtransactions that give advantages to players are a terrible idea.
People can pour money into skills as well. I remember when I first started, not only did I not have that option, but we had learning skills, and you could lose SP. It took even longer to do dope shit, unless you didn't mess around with leaning skills too much, but then things would take longer in the long-run. (I pulled way ahead of someone who was too impatient to get them all to 5)
Of course, when they did away with learning skills, I had soooo much SP to allocate into other skills. It was wonderful.
You realize that most people don't buy their isk.
I can easily make billions a month doing ingame shit. Running DEDs, doing PI, doing market trading, looting wrecks from the people I kill.
The richest people in Eve don't buy their isk. That would cost thousands of dollars. I don't really think you know what you're talking about.
It doesn't matter how many people do it, being able to buy an advantage in any game is a shitty feature.
I never said anything about the richest people in Eve buying thousands of dollars of isk. YOU don't know what I'm talking about. If you can do better making money in game than by pouring money into it, that's super fantastic for you, gold star, but that's entirely irrelevant to the point I made. Earning money in game is the way it *should* be, and working up to that point makes it more worth the time and effort of playing the game.
EDIT: I just realized you said billions per month. LOL. Are you aware that at minimum wage, someone that just started playing could pick up a couple extra hours and buy a billion isk? It used to be, moving that 10th digit up another notch kept me excited about playing. Now it bugs me that I could've just forked over 15 bucks for that..
Eve is full of annoying redditors these days. Also the company keeps making it harder and harder to PVP. It's becoming carebear farmville online. I'll come back when they make wardec evasion a bannable offense!
right after they fix broken wardec mechanics and neutral logi, thanks.
And right after they remove nos to make it so you can't just hold a guy down and beat the hell out of him like a gang of cowards. I'll come back ONLY once that happens.
that's... not what a nos does. At all.
Stormlord how contrare, id you are pointed, and they stuck the power out of your ship, there is nothing different then a fight where you are held down and choked to death unable to move to fight back.
Technically you can mitigate the effectiveness of NOS-modules by utilizing Cap Boosters or Cap Batteries (unless they recently removed the Nos resist from them).
I was a little over a month old when the game came out. I feel younger than normal now.
these new Plinkett reviews are pretty good
Great review. This is probably the best description of the game I've found so far.
MY 2 years of eve(unlikely i'd come back). Noob-->carebear--->Incursions--->wormholes---->nullsec---->wormholes--->bored and fed up. Also wormhole space did require maintenance. We'd have a fat ship at the pos for plugging holes every day as they spawned, leaving them with too little mass left to let any real threats through. WM space offered a tome down of the size of battles, we often built large ships in situ and top tier sleeper loot was lucrative af. But given the needed "passive" PVP loadouts we made sure to plug holes before running sleepers and had a few guys scanning.
Interesting thing of eve, you can take a break and come back and there is so much new things
I had an ALPHA account and spent months just logging in daily, improving skills until I maxed out every skill Alpha's are allowed. I had a mining ship, the best I could fly. I went on some quests and one wanted a particular ore, I found that in a low sec area, mined and ran and was killed by a pirate. After months of maxing every skill I lasted 47 minutes.
eve has a learning curve so steep you'll start the game and come out of it 3 years later with a degree in theoretical physics with a minor in quantum mechanics
probably the most accurate video on eve.
Just had this show up on my recommendations randomly. I have heard a lot about EVE but never really looked into it. After seeing it laid out it definately is a game that I would not enjoy, but this was a well constructed and educational video.
667 dislikes! The ENTIRE (non bot) Eve community has seen this video :O
Your Eve famous!
Well first time I played Hoi4 or EU4 I also was totally overwhelmed by all the mikromanagment, but now I enjoy it
ive not played eve in years, but i like your salt. you have a subscriber
Don't know why I enjoyed the inclusion of the pitch drip experiment picture so much.
I watched this video, I joined, and now I can't stop. Thanks man
First 16 seconds of video were enough for me to sub to your channel. Thank you for the video!
I started out 3 weeks ago. I was going to a combat site the other day and this random person was helping me out surprisingly the other player helped and gave me 20mil isk... The online community are great n so hopefully. Love playing it.
You had me at Eve and you got a subscription with the Explorers callback.
You need make more videos like this like a 1 hour video, you can talk about any stuff but make sure you maintain your beautiful unmotivated voice because working people like me needs it for sleeping 🛌
I like your in depth explanation, and making it relatable
You may want to add an annotation that the Aplha clone skill set has been expanded. You can use up to Battle ships now and even select small and medium T2 weapons. :)
I regret not playing this game from the start. I tried it out 10 years later, but even then, I was completely sucked it. Such a beautiful game.