EVE Fanfest 2015: Confessions of an EVE Trillionaire
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- Presenter:
Angelica Everstar
Ever wondered what goes on behind the curtains in Jita, or how people turn 20m into 1t profits ? Here is your chance to have a peek behind the curtains through a personal take and experience of EVEnomics. - Angelica Everstar, Angel Consortium
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I feel like anyone who can make trillions in EVE can figure out how to make a lot of money in real life. But they don't. Because they're busy making money in EVE.
yeah. trading in Eve is like buy low and selling high. The best example is eBay. You contact the manufacture and ask to produce and deliver the product to you. Once you receive the product, you then market it and list it on eBay. This supply chain model is call wholesaling. Companies like Target, Walmart, Sears, Macy do the exact same thing.
Eve is a true free market. Normal nations have massive restrictions on banking and trade which stifles growth, but protects those who could easily be exploited. It's a trade off that is either worth it, or oppressive, depending on your political bent.
In a way that's true, but pretending it's as easy to make money in the real world as in eve is ridiculous. Making money in the real world requires a lot more hard work and a higher initial investment cost, as well as a large number of other considerations. For instance, if someone gave me 70,000 dollars, I'd immediately invest all of it and just by using Google could have a reliable investment portfolio that might make me another 10-20,000 dollars in 1-3 months. I'd then reinvest that and make 30,000 the next three months. And keep going until I get a good amount built up and make some long term investments while living off the dividends etc. That's basically what I did with my high school investment portfolio project, made me realize how easy trading can be.
The problem is, you need 70,000 dollars in liquid cash. Who the fuck has that except people who are already rich? These people find that they are able to maintain their jobs, maintain a comfortable standard of living, and have a shit ton of fun in EVE and be space rich. Not a bad deal at all. Meanwhile, if they invested all that EVE time into the real world, sure they'd have a lot more money! But it would take YEARS for them to really start making the big cash. The only way to get rich quick is a combination of hard work, intelligence, and an obscene amount of luck. Bill Gates didn't know he'd become what he is now. He worked his ass off learning to code, and decided to make a new operating system because he thought current ones were shit. Turns out he had some damn good ideas, and his company ballooned up around him.
***** Obviously it isn't as easy to make money in real life as it is in EVE. All I'm saying is that the richest people in EVE have shown that they can read markets, predict market trends, find a niche, invest correctly, etc. If they could take all the time and effort they've spent playing EVE and instead dedicated it to day trading or starting a business, they'd be better off in life than they are now, that's for sure.
Games are fun, but they're just games. None of it translates back to the real world, and I tend to see massive achievements like being the richest person in EVE online as a monumental waste of time and effort.
That's the reason I never played the game past the free trial. It felt too much like a second life to juggle with the first. I'd much rather spend my days improving my real life than improving a false one.
IAN 4000 Or he can do both.
If eve taught me anything, it's to never trust anybody, and to never become emotionally attached to other players so you can backstab them at the right time.
TheNukaColaQuantum It has taught me psychopaths like you should not be playing vidya :^)
Maurice Macouille
lol eejit
+TheNukaColaQuantum Or you can just not play with shitty people. That works too...
+TheNukaColaQuantum i agree with the don't get attached, but i don't backstab..i just don't get involved or attached..in otherwords don't trust. What i don't understand is why men/boys have to play as females?(female avatars)
+john banks that's a seriously dumb thing to ask
Playing EVE Online is like having a second job that you have to pay for.
+Nerdbuster He's still paying for it with his time.
Yeah... thats what people do when they play a game.
I was talking with him on Rookie Chat the other day.
Unless you bot lol
Nope
The grind start when you have a decent ship for ratting i guess
he got a good point on how market pvp in some instances makes you feel like you got power, doing damage without a single shot. I once for the hell of it controlled every single badger in Jita for a week. I could have cut and ran and made a nice profit, but decided i'd keep it up and bought every badger in the region that kept popping up , and any that undercut me in Jita...and then it happened..some dude dumped thousands of them at once..I sold all mine off and had to walk away a few million less from that adventure..but it was fun to do either way
In real life, you cannot warp away from trouble, you either win or not. No clones to return to when killed. Real life is like Eve with 1 character on permadeath. Hundred ways to die permanently and you cannot log off when you had enough. Even having fun or rest in real life gives no guarantee of safety. So, if you want to experience slice of life without the consequences, play Eve Online. See you in Low Sec.
Ah but re-incarnation is real in real life lol.
I left EVE when I one day came to a realization: "I've traded a real business for a pretend one. What am I doing?"
Ha lies
Outy Man It's easier to get starting capital in Eve than RL, which is why we do it.
Good job on the self-awareness! If you don't enjoy it (anymore), why bother doing it? :)
That was a entertaining brief with not much practical information.
What did you expect? lol
never watching somthing like this with head phones again i hear every lip smack and saliva movment DX
+platinum Angel
ayo hol up
*smacks lips
DX
Just need to wait a few more years for the Plex prices to crash xD
oddly enough ccp did that for us
Lmao plex price crash?
All time low
All time high @@michaelkaba7481
To be in this guys mind for 5 minutes would be interesting to say the least
Makes it sound so dull, but he seems happy. He reminds me of a stamp collector or a train hobbyist.
It is dull as fuck 😴
Interesting story man, some huge investment/profits there. Good to see it all payed off. o/
zaqq Can get cheap eve also from a good site , like buy4games.com
evans max lolol
+evans max ROFL more expensive to buy than plex.
I thought EVE was a sci-fi game about space exploration, aliens, fighting the bad guys in fancy space ships, not about opening market windows, checking product prices and doing profitable deals.
Borislav Mitev EVE is what you make it for yourself.
Borislav Mitev eve itself is a place to learn how to do business and learn economy
Borislav Mitev There aren't any aliens in Eve. Aside from that, it's a spread sheet game unless you just want to do the same handful of missions over and over for very little reward.
Borislav Mitev it is, just no aliens only mad russians and angry germans
+Borislav Mitev no EVE is marketed as a Sci-fi pew pew game, but in fact it's a spreadsheet simulation. I stoped playing because I do the same thing at work, and I prefer to earn real money than ISK or "prestige" from other players.
started with 4mil isks after tuturial missions, got to 220mil in less than 3 days while still on trial, trading in jita.
+Kevin Colt ive been playing eve for 5 years and only ever paid for 1 months subscription, its a brilliant :)
He'll really win when he decides he's done with the game and he sells all of his stuff to chinese ISK sellers.
He could really do that! Make a fortune on EVE again and repeat? Sounds like a fun hobby
Ahhh EVE online, Still more fun and cheaper than a girlfriend. LOL. (Been married twice) TRUST me, its more fun and cheaper.
Share with us what it feels like to be married
***** They don't call marriage an institution for no reason.
Nevertheless, i would like to get married someday. It's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.
As a married man, I don't share your point of view. A lot depends on the attitude one brings into it. With love, as with war, "The most committed wins."
yes loved and lost your kids home car 50+% of your $$$ etc etc. And what about LOVED you dont need to get married to love someone my grandparents were 72 and 68 and were just together for over 40 years never married yet they were happy.
100% Well done mate, nice presentation, thanks very much.. Hard work pays off. Best of luck for the future :-)
Being a recruiter in this game sucks man. No one wants to join unless you give them an all expenses paid trip to fucking Dubai. Or they're interstellar criminals looking for some protection.
If you want a guy who will not ask for shit like that you could recruit me. in-game name is Piraxiss.
Corbin Cavitt lmao true i only joined corps in the beginning because they were offering isk and ships but i got isk now so i join for fun
I am the Metal Scrap Dealer.
I buy Metal Scraps and convert them to Tritanium at the best possible rate.
I sell it at Jita in vast quantities.
I am the Metal Scrap dealer.
I took the "1 item" to a new level the other day. spent all I had (300mil) on a Sleipnir. Got to my last docking waypoint, got to station and was waiting for dock (Amarr)....got destroyed. Lost all my my money. Luckily I had mining assets and I'm going back to mining.
Your a effin idiot
Yeaqh, that is this game. Ganking and griefing.
Garbage people.
great presentation dude, thumbs up
p.s. i kinda wish i had the knowhow on trading so wouldn't be stuck on 1bil total all the time :)
Or just stay in a big hub and buy and sell stuff with good trade skills. I made billions off selling millions of units in trit at very low margins but huge volume
He missed the part where he invested some thousands of real dollars into the game, only to brag before a crowd of nerds.
The Reason that PLEX will always continue going up (Assuming subscriptions don't fall off the cliff) is because MORE ISK is being created by the game than is being DESTROYED in the game... hence its like the US RESERVE printing money. INFLATION of ISK. Soon it'll easily top 1Bil... great graph showing the price trend (green line)... also shows less trading happening meaning either of two things :D... Great presentation :D
+Selexya PLEX is now 1.15bil
Bruh, PLEX is at 2.5 Billion now.
How to start a presentation.
Once again, it all just comes down to "figure it out for yourself". I understand there isn't a 100% model, but at the same time, everybody is so generic with these "how to make money trading" spiels, that they are becoming redundant and useless because you never learn anything from them because you can't really teach this.
***** That's my whole point. People keep trying to make tutorials and panels about a subject that is summed up in "Buy low, sell high". This was a total waste of a panel. After 20 minutes, the crux of the thing was "Buy low, sell high." There's no need to reiterate that and make up 20 minutes of content that doesn't help anyone. Every article about trading, every video about trading, every panel about trading is the same damn message at the end of the day.
People think they are about to learn secrets to trading and there is no secret because it takes understanding the economy and knowing what affects what in-game (and external factors even) about PLEX and expansions and anticipate what people will want to do. All of which takes time to follow to understand the game and what people expect.
+Robert Burke Well... keep watch on dev blogs on upcoming changes. If you see an item that will change FOR THE BETTER, then you need to see if you can find sell orders or market orders in all the regions around you for the best price, and the most stock... buy as many as you can afford, without hurting your day to day activites, and sit on them until the changes happen. Watch the market spike, and throw them on the market for a bit less than what they're going for, but still more than you bought them for, and watch the ISK roll in.
I made 400M ISK in a week sitting in Amarr (system), because of how close it is to three different regions. I would buy in Amarr, bring them 10-12 jumps out to the other regions, and sell there for anywhere between 10-25% more. Big tip... there are a LOT of Caldari ships that use missles. There are only a couple of Amarr ships that use missiles. I would go to Jita, use Faction Points to buy Faction Missiles, cart them down to the Amarr area, and sell them for 40% more than Jita prices. There were tons of Crystals, but no missiles on the market. And because of how close Amarr is to Providence, I was able to make a killing from Provi-bloc buying their ammo from their only missile supplier... me.
The killer about the whole thing? Time wise?
Jita is only 17 jumps away from Amarr. Which is the reason I would only go 12 jumps from Amarr. Get too close to a major trading hub, and people will AVOID your trades, and go the extra 5 jumps to a place they know they can get it at a major discount.
1 billion isk is worth about $280 usd on the black market at current prices,so essentially this guy made $280,000 in a video game?
nah its not even close to 280 USD.... 1 bil can be bought for 10€ at illegal pages
When he introduce his game avatar as a female. I quickly jump right into the comments and see people's reactions XD
Best way of making money in EVE? Have a nice IRL job somewhere that can net you 2000$+ per month. Then stop smoking and drinking (bad for health) and invest the 500$ you save per month and buy plex = 30 bil per month easy.
Then PVP and have fun instead of updating orders every 5 mins like you are on a job :D
+Pupixario Or you can put that $500/month in your savings account, and take 2 vacations a year to other countries... because you have $3000 to spend, and can fly first class, stay at a nice hotel, and afford to buy stuff, and do things while there. You will also make interest on that savings.
+Pupixario This I don't understand. Nothing against you doing that, but making money in EVE is fun in and of itself. Dropping 500$ a month on a video game is ridiculous. Besides, paying for PVP doesn't cost even close to that much for most people. I don't even know how I'd spend 30 bil a month... Even if you had all the skills to fly those expensive ships, it would feel almost like cheating.
Basically playing P2W like that.
+Pupixario 2000 a month is pretty shit, my laptop cost more than that
+Dakarn Yeah I'd much rather vacations than in-game currency. idk what the fuck some people do be thinking.
Lol $2000 a month... i earn more than that in a week.
I don't get how collateral works.... You can only provide as much collateral as you can afford to buy so you may as well just sell your assets in the hope of being able them back later for the same price, or less.
I think working a job and investing in real life is easier than working in Eve Online. Great story though.
there is verry little information in this video. just a lot of boasting
The reason the price is going up and the trades are going down is because you guys have inflated it to a ridiculous price....now many people cant afford to plex their account...
+Donovan Goble "you guys have inflated.." That's what happens in a free market economy man. At the same time though, it is a lot easier to make billions of ISK than it once was.
@@polko59 EVE isnt a Free MArket tho, CCP messes with it all the time. SCARCITY is the newest way, they have fucked EVE up. PLEX is also 2.5 Billion ISk.
Imagine how much he could sell his account for in IRL cash...
A small loan of 2 billion isk.
Exactly, Give me 2b now to invest and I could make a shitload of ISK off the market aswell
@@SlavestoArmok You couldn't. Also 2b is super easy to make
@@electricant55 Yeah I could actually lol and I know it is not alot, I make billions often :p
@@SlavestoArmok Fair enough, I thought you were some salty noob who thinks 2b is a life changing amount
Just run L4's I usually get 10M for Navy missions for about 25-30min work.
Ratting in null can turn a good profit as well just don't be a moron and don't take any chances. Be respectful to the locals even if you are shooting at each other. It's surpising how many friends you can make just by being a good sport.
+Daniel Forsythe L4s are pretty garbage because they fuck faction standings.
whats the derivatives market look like in eve? also, does eve have banks?
+112233jjooee Almost every "bank" in EVE has fallen to thievery. The last time I logged in, a couple years ago, another bank had folded after one of the trustees ran off with ~600B ISK.
2005 I quit that game because CCP's interventions in pricing with the market. I never made this much money in game but I made deals to get hundreds of harvester drones. I started buying tons of units of various items and shipping them to other regions because of the price difference. I had no clue CCP would rape you for being good at what you do. I then turned to PVP lost some ships due to game glitches, proved there were certain systems that you could use a combination of certain mods and your ship would do crazy things. Battleships would move fast as a frigate, turn on a dime, my damage modifyer would never decrease when I changed out mods... I filmed it, sent these bug reports in proving how I lost my ship, I got raped by CCP again. I rage quit again in 07, 09, 11. They have not learned anything about customer service. If it were not for the nice community of players this game would have died a long time ago. Fk teh makers, programmers, and owners with their non-customer service asshat attitudes. All I ever got was NOPE, NOPE, NOPE, NOPE, NOPE. I hope they go bellyup. Remember folks, this is the same game that some devs played that would fly around and make changes in the parameters of some systems so they would have unfair advantages. Why would you play a game against a guy you did not know was a dev? You would be owned everytime. I hope that mechwarrior or another futuristic game could be somewhat like this.
19Mustang71 aww, poor baby, need a tissue?
19Mustang71 lol, I quit because of three characters t20
19Mustang71 How dare you give your testimony! Keep your fingers off your keyboard you punk ass bitch!
rofl! you sound like my buddy damn you make me want to play and get peed on by CCCP more :(
+19Mustang71 I'll take shit that never happened for 500, Alex.
A job? How about a hobby?
Oh it's WORK?!? OH NO! I don't want a hobby that has any work!!! I guess I'll just sit and stare at the grass on my neighbor's yard.
If you are new to EVE, watch closely:
This is one of the people that completely ruined the game.
So basically an in-depth look at a truly depressing life.
Hahaa
Notice how he only told us what he has done, and not was he is currently doing?
i thought this was going to be a parody, instead its all srsbiz.
Farming slave implants was best money I ever made, granted being in black legion at the the time was the only reason I was able to in between engagements of course.
pirahc i swear it was especially in preparation for big battles in null from different corps. these corps in null were paying top dollar 300% sometimes 400% price it was insane i made billions
i love eve online wish my isk was real money id be super rich
*I don't even play this fucking game and I'm as familiar with it's large conflicts and wars as I am with most large conflicts and wars in real fucking life*
EVE: online
Love it or Hate it
You gotta respect everything that it is
I actually haven't even watched this video, either
I just came here to pay my respects
You might see me on many other videos doing the same, because this is one of the coolest games- no, communities- no that's still not it.. _experiences?_ Yes.
This is one of the coolest- if not *the coolest* fucking *_experience_* you can be a part of, in the *entire realm of gaming*
But... Where is the settlement that needs help? Mark it on my map.
buy a vexor with faction berserkers, go to null sec and semi afk speed tank combat sites. average 200 mill a day depending on neuts.
+Brock Wheatley Not a good deal...
+Laurenan69 it's a great deal for a new player. sure it's no 10/10 or incursion, but easy semi afk money.
Gas harvesting. start with 27mil, end with 100 mil an hour.
Ratting, it's like mining but with explosions.
When i look back i wonder if i was missing out not playing EVE...answered my own question after seeing this lmao
He should've done this in real life in staid ^^
+Jonayofsweden How exactly? EVE's market mechanics don't represent real life very well.
BenKerman He certainly have some level of knowlage of economics, so even if it's not represented perfectly I still think he could make real money, if he spent as much time styddying the real market.
+Jonayofsweden
You're assuming he didn't so who are you to think he didn't? Got any evidences of him not doing it?
OldeFreedom ...
+OldeFreedom Right? People who are very good at EVE tend to be intelligent and see value in being challenged and working hard towards goals. The challenge in and of itself is fun.
People who think like that tend to do well for themselves IRL as well. Everybody fills their free time with hobbies, and if your hobby involves hard work (and you find that fun), you probably work hard at your job as well. Some people watch Netflix and jerk off when they get off work. Other people play EVE.
How people who do the former feel justified in calling EVE players losers and assume they don't have a real life is beyond me...
After playing a lot of MMOs, EVE is definitely the game where I've encountered the most successful adults with families and high paying jobs...
"Confessions of an EVE Trillionaire" .. dude doesn't confess anything, waste of 20mins
he confessed he was up to 4am drinking.... lol
Dude sounds like Yngwie Malmsteen :) Great talk.
ice became worthless and that then caused the plex sale crash
wait, like can that shit be traded for actuall currency?
Illegally yes
zeeman707 lmfao
yes
In game name Eren Kruger
All that work so you can look at a big number on a screen and buy some pixels with it.
You just described every videogame ever
***** Aha. wrong. that money can be turned into real money. it is illegal however. against CCP set rules. But you can still get real money out of it.
+richoz27 video games are for doing something that you enjoy that you are unable to do in real life... soooo.... yeah.
Sigma476
Not every video game, Eve is more work than fun and all you get for it is pixels. Id rather do real trading and make real money. If, however, CCP allowed real money trading so that players could set up industries and actually turn a real dollar, then the efforts of this guy would be worth it.
i do real trading also, i like both.
He's no orator, let's just put it that way. Neither is he providing any deep insight. He's kinda just what most capitalists are, tenacious and somewhat reckless. The profit is there for you to take, if you just keep at it like an obsessed nobhead.
this guy is a terrible public speaker IMO.
I play EVE and have fun. But to waste so much energy and knowledge just to make isk? And so many times he refer to isk as "money". He is lost in this game and take it far to serious.I trade for real money in real exchanges and make profit. But I am not an EVE Trillionaire.
How to make a potentially interesting topic boring.
You have to have more than one trillion to be considered a trillionaire.
Lefty Hara He made more than 8 trillion isk profits trading plex.
nice
this guy did show nothing
seriously plex going up forever
plex price= the amount of isk people can make from going from point a to point b+free plex ccp gives
but nobody will put hard worth to get plex in game if plex selling too high
mining+salvaging don't really generate plex you get it from other players
a trader take advantage of other inefficient traders
a trader dont try predict market trend just try get the best deal and sell for best deal
this was all publicity but not reality
to start competing in eve you need a 6 month's quest grind as alpha if you do efficiently just to have broker fees down to 1 otherwise you going to trade in citadels and really you cant have assets on player owned structures
500 quests for 9.99-10
having a trillion isk in eve you need more than just deal with other players you need to be better than all of them
and you need to have a system other people cant figure out what that system is they just will loose money if they try go against you
if you are large enough they can loose money just by trying to undercut you
This video was not helpful.
The fuuuuck is this.. talking like a real job. Feels and looks very serious.
+JLMetaMix it is actually very serious, people pay some srs money. One vessel in eve can go for 4000 dollars
>auto piloting at all
ishygadt
I don't want to play "stock market sim". I want to fly ships, fight aliens, destroy planets, create empires and so forth.
So do it. But remember it all takes money
This video was about nothing. There was no actual information in it. It was just some guy who can play while at work bragging about how much money he made on a virtual stock exchange. If you came to this video to learn how to make isk trading you have been sadly misled. I rarely thumb down a video. But this one was so lacking that I felt it necessary to do so. Please CCP. If you are going to have a presentation on a subject. Please provide enough time for something that provides more than a rudimentary outline of a subject.
It’s never a good thing when that many virgins are in one place...
be a bro and throw a new eve player a billion isk please
Scoggy what will he do with that ammount of money anyway appart from buying a titan and lose it
mansuy adrien exactly he might as well just give it to me so I can buy a titan and loose it haha
Scoggy you can' buy it though
RandomusFafus sorry "build"
with a billion you can't buy a titan according to all prices...i'd say a capital ship
superexterrestrialgame
i don't understand what this guy is babbling on about
wtf
This guy really has no life? He calls himself a CEO of an imaginary group...I can see if you can turn in isk for real cash, but come on. He's talking about this like it's a real thing.
***** Yes, I would say that
***** Eating or breathing doesn't make money. Maybe we should stop?
Savior Prime The in-game term is CEO.
Savior Prime that's because eve its real m8 duuuuh!
+Savior Prime there are plenty of "black market" deals in eve where people exchange in game shit for irl money. The reason people don't talk about it is because you can get banned but it is rare that CCP actually looks into those kinds of transactions.
Too much swearing form a ccp member
I think he did a decent job of self-censoring. In that respect most live presentations hold up well against amateur video posters.
Not sure I am supposed to be impressed by this. Having a bank full of money I just sell a couple thousand plex at well below market value and get my money that way. No working like a pleb chump.
Liar