I picked up the Leica M 10 Monochrom myself a couple of weeks ago and I must admit, I am enjoying the process so much that I gifted my primary "colour" camera to a colleague of mine. I absolutely love how it makes one a better photographer, I just love how it forces one to think twice about the light. Highly recommended.
Thank you for this. I get asked all the time why I shoot with a dedicated B&W camera (M10M)...and instead of trying to explain it to them, I'm just going to send them this video because you've done a way better job at doing it than I ever could.
I'm roughly a 95+% black and white shooter for over thirty years. I spotted the title on this video and initially avoided it feeling the last thing needed was another promotion of gear I can't afford. I'm glad your emphasis and fine examples had to do with the image making per se. I've been using an Olympus Pen F, set strictly on Monochrome setting with further settings established in camera. . . yellow filter, highlight and shadow 'S' curve setting, grain pattern (which like TriX is unique to each shot), etc. My post processing is at its barest minimum. I've been extremely satisfied with the results. Thank you for this V.
I was nervous dropping the money on a new Q2 Monochrome, but I had loved the original Q and was always curious about Leica’s monochrome cameras. I absolutely love it. I have a Leica orange filter and an b+w red filter that I change depending on my mood or how dark I want the sky in relation to the other parts of the frame. I love that the EVF forces me to see in monochrome and it makes composition easier. It takes some time to adapt to the new way of seeing, plenty of photos I might miss out on because they may only work in color, but that’s a trade off in more than happy to make. If color is necessary I can bring another camera along but I love monochrome. I hope you will opt for either Leica Monochrome camera, we have had some difficult years and it’s ok to treat yourself.
@Bryan so having 2 Q series cameras, do you find the Q2M more satisfying than shooting on your Q in b/w mode or editing color images in Lightroom? Talk me out of buying another $6k point and shoot.
@@t.breeze8659 Its early and I haven’t had my coffee so allow me to ramble a bit… If I told you that the Monochrome isn’t worth the money, that would be dishonest of me :) The shooting experience alone is wonderful knowing we are limited to black and white. The additional sharpness (although only slight) really is there. Something about the intentionality of using the filters is nice too. Of course, you can still adjust contrast during your edits but your exposure is essentially different altogether. Red filter for example are making the sky darker, closer to or maybe even darker than the elements in your frame that are not the sky. On a color camera it would be too bright if the dynamic range is too high (say shooting around mid day). The transition between tones is maybe the largest adventure that I none of us can get with a color to black and white conversion in post. ISO is also about a half a stop better than the Q3 color which I just got, and that had a more modern sensor. So a Q3 Monochrome would likely be 1 full stop better ISO than Q2 Monochrome and have slightly better autofocus. Personally I wouldn’t wait though, just get what you like now because life is so short.
@@Bryan-lu4du I just came across your reply. Thanks for your thoughts. I already own a Q2. If Leica releases a Q3 monochrom, I’ll consider. The Q2 is the camera I reach for most often
Not seeing you talk straight into the camera as usual was a bit surprising, but I like the format nonetheless. And I loved the photos you chose to show us. Cheers! -Rick
Blown away by how much I love the supermarket shot just after 1 min mark ... I've travelled all over to explore and capture and then something comes along to remind you that great pic opps are all around us
@@chilecayenne $9000 USD (+ import, tax, etc...) for a non primary camera is quite unreasonable for me (to be spending). I can see about $2-4k USD, but that's my limit unless I'm getting a GFX 100. Photography is a hobby for me, intensive, but all the same, I'm not making money on it atm.
@@luckeycat_ I didn't pay nearly that much for my M10M, I paid LESS than $8K. NIB. Where are you looking that they are that expensive? I bought mine almost a year ago, hard to imagine they increased in price that much. I bought online, so, no sales tax added. If you hunt and look, you can still get that deal at smaller places. Hint: Don't look big box stores. HTH FYI, I bought a used GFX100 for $7K. From B&H used and I could not tell it had every been used. Maybe floor model. I just save all the time and don't buy small crap...and drop coin on special things I really want from time to time. I'm far from wealthy.
This is a masterpiece. I've eyed the Leica Q2 Monochrom quite a bit and am planning on renting it alongside the original Q2 to put to the test/make a few videos about. But yeah, love the way this video flowed, beautifully done!
I think this has been one of my favorite videos of yours in a long time. Very well thought out, beautiful, and concise. As much as I would love a monochrome camera I really can't justify it. I feel like higher detail and better sensitivity is not enough reason for me to spend that amount of money to have less options creatively - although I guess that is part of the appeal - it is our constraints we impose upon ourselves that inspire creativity. Creatively though... detail and sensitivity are low on my list of things I care about with photography (if a photo is compelling it can be noisy, low in detail and even not entirely in focus). Don't get me wrong though.... I would definitely get one if money was no issue. If you do have a limited budget and want to inspire creativity - or just want to work out whether you like thinking in B&W - I would advise anyone who has a mirrorless camera to change your settings so you can see the viewfinder and back screen in B&W. I am finding I do it more often these days and I think I am ending up with better compositions.
I just recently picked up a used M Monochrom typ 246 for $3500 and it is in perfect condition. After questioning my sanity about buying a camera with a dedicated monochrome sensor I can honestly say it is exceeding my expectations. There really is something magical about seeing those files. Cheers!
An artist can express the most with the finest tools. The finest tool cannot create art, it requires symbiosis. This tool, the M10 and Q2, are among the finest and most prolific.
I've started a personal photography challenge where I regularly shoot and upload black and white 1:1 images, and what you said about the compositional effects monochrome has on photography rings astoundingly true. Taking black and white images is quite the thoughtful and enjoyable process! Excellent video, as always.
Ted, just watched this as I travel back to Norfolk from San Francisco on Amtrak. I took the train both ways and the only camera I have with me is the M10M. The choice is a personal one, but for me I’m happy I took the leap.
This is probably my favorite episode of yours so far. I’ve been shooting b&w about 90% of the time during my first 17 odd years in photography. However this calendar year I decided to challenge myself and for the first time dedicate all of my work to colour. This was extremely challenging at first but I eventually fell in love with FujiFilm’s film simulations, especially classic chrome. I’ve actually grown so attached to the X-T4 that is the first camera to curve my appetite for a Leica. However after viewing your video, I’m considering renting a monochrome Leica for a week to experience the image quality and overall performance for myself. Great video and very informative as always. Cheers!
Having purchased my Q2M just before the world turned surreal has been mentally nourishing. Add the easy menu setup, the confidence from the build quality and every picture, mundane or not puts a smile on my brain. I hope every photographer feels or gets to feel the same with their camera.
Excellent video, Ted! A huge advantage of a mirrorless monochrome camera is the ability to see the B&W image in real time as one composes the shot. You've really got me thinking now.
Great vid, Ted. I like when you do these vids where you get into the art and approach. Your series on great photographers was a huge help to me. Thanks for that
Greetings from 🇵🇰 Pakistan. i am long time canon and fuji shooter. Occasionally shoot sony a7III and on few occasions with my wife’s nikon too. However Q2 monochrom is my first leica. I really gave it a good thought as it is expensive. However you have exactly hit the nail on the head. The defining features are “higher sensitivity” and “ greater detail” . love it. I wish i could post few samples here. The are mind blowing for the two features you emphasized upon. Thanks for a great episode.
With an understanding of the whole idea behind the Leica Monochrom cameras, it was amazing to see your example images as even the ISO 100,000 image had grain that was actually somewhat *desirable* rather than unpleasant. Beautiful stuff.
Love my M10M. I’ve never been so excited about a camera. For dynamic range and low light performance, it’s hard to beat. M10M and a 50 1.4 Summilux are a match made in heaven. ❤
Ted as always nails it with carefully thought out discussion points, examples a plenty and sends us out to try out some of his ideas. Excellent thank you sir.
My “monochrome camera” is the Pen-F. With its mono/color dial you can choose ANY color B&W filter, in several intensities. I am currently experimenting with cyan and magenta B&W filters. With Olympus’ live view the EVF/LCD of the Pen-F instantly shows you the monochrome result as you dial in the filter color/intensity of your choice. So many options. With a monochrome-only camera you need to carry around a few pocketfuls of color filters of various intensities.
A very compelling case for monochromatic cameras. As an old guy that shot Leica M in 1990, I also understand the fetish. I was mentally shooting down what I thought you would say before I watched it. Your delivery was well received! Now about the cost… I will have to pretend I have enough with a Nikon D850, Nikon Z6 and some amazing glass that I won’t start looking into Leica again. I also got some Fujifilm X to fill my street shooting gaps. I just cannot bring myself to spend that much money for such a one trick pony. But if I was a richer man, you have sold me.
I doubt if I will ever afford a Leica but I do convert images to B&W fairly often so was interested in this video. Your comments on the problems introduced by the Bayer filter compared with a straight monochrome setup made me wonder about the use of Foveon sensors. They don't solve the problem of restrictions on ISO performance and limits on dynammic range but they do remove sme of the demosaicing issues. As it happens I had a Sigma DP1 Merrill sitting in my cupboard that I purchased about 7 years ago, I have not used it much because of its limited dynamic range, but under ideal conditions it captures impressive images. Having wathed your video I dug it out and have tried a few monochrome images - initial results are encouraging so I have a new project to keep me amused: thanks!
absolutely, YES! I used to convert most of my digital images to B&W - and always have BW rolls in my M2 - until i bought an M Monochrom (the original CCD sensor) a few years ago. Best decision I ever made when it comes to photography. Then about a year ago I made the worst decision and convinced myself that I "needed" a more versatile body, sold the MM and bought an SL. It is a wonderful piece of equipment and it takes fantastic photos, but i was missing the MM so much that I recently bought one again. It was like seeing an old friend after a long separation. I shoot with it most of the time now and reserve the SL for the rare occasions when I do need color images. I also even got a Sony RX1 converted to monochrome, instead of getting the excellent Q2M - which would have cost me WAY more....
There's a Leica store in my city. Whenever we get out of lockdown, it would be great to try these cameras out. I've long preferred black and white over colour, always shot black and white film and digital with monochrome presets. Didn't know that all cameras are technically monochrome. Very interesting video.
I always defer to Ralph Gibson, when asked if he likes color or black and white, said "I prefer to work in all three." Love the even-keel feel of your narration, and the pared-down minimal feel of your home or studio. Appreciate your comparison of the M-10 in color to the same scene with the Monochrom.
I have a Leica M4 film camera and I have forty + years shooting black and white film. Professionally I mainly shoot with a range of Sony cameras. I converted my Sony A7rII to a monochrome camera and the results are just incredible. I know it’s not the build quality of the Leica Monochromes but I’m incredibly pleased with the results.
I rented the Leica Q2M for two weeks. It was a fantastic user experience. The sensor is amazing. The overall sharpness and level of detail is out of this world. The sensor has so little noise as well. I can't way that I would ever purchase the camera, but it is an amazing fun rental camera.
I own the M10 Monochrome and honestly speaking that camera ignited my Love for photography like never before and it by far my favorite camera of all time - it is tough to deal with but once you nail it you will fall in love with it everyday - For anyone reading this if you are a wide angle shooter guy/girl (28mm) Q2M is a beast of camera for what it offers and ISO performance is head to head with the M10M with the fraction of the price.
My love for photography was ignited by a Kodak Brownie Six-20 that I had to wrench from my money conscious father as a Xmas gift in 1958 at age 12. I'd recommend buying a Holga, or a Leica M2, used Rolleiflex F or Nikon FM2 and shoot some Tri-X with them; then you will really get to *love* photography. For a fraction of the price (plus some times the *thinking* and effort) you will get a real accomplishment hard-on. Needed gear won't break anyone's piggy (a lightproof bag, developing tank and film scanner) or I will swap you my pro darkroom worth twice the price of an M10M for yours. Actually, go the Garry Winnogrand way, get yourself a M4 and a 21mm, tons of film and leave them for your heirs to curate. [ROTFL] 🤣
I concur. 👍 To include *_"B&W"_* in a conversation about photography you *must* be referring to film. With the exception of Solms/Wetzlar perversions all digital photography was captured in color and then comnverted. Not too long ago (but then I'm an old geezer) I carried anywhere two cameras, one loaded with color film and the other with b&W, plus lenses and *dozens* of rolls. It was not until early this century that I could "make do" with shooting just color, and then scanning; although the conversion to B&W was hideous. IMHO, yes, many digital images lend themselves to B&W rendition; the same way some drawings are better than watercolor. It takes, however, a trained brain to create in B&W; you need a Salgado, Erwitt, Winnogrand, Bresson or Maier for it. Most folks don't.
I could not agree more. There’s something dreamy and otherworldly about monochrome that grabs my eye more than color. I even love classic black and white movies. I am so tempted to get a Monochrom Q2 or M10.
I like this new inner monologue approach to the video!! Do it again!!! Lol. Also great content as usual. I’m trying to save enough money to get my hands on the Q2. Still up in the air in regards to if it’ll be the monochrom or color version and after seeing this I’m leaning towards monochrom 😁
I am doing a lot of infrared photography, and the quality of the high ISO settings on the M10M are so good, I could quite easily do handheld with a Hoya R72. It is the absence of a Bayer filter and a genuine panchromatic response that really does make it doable. That, and a f0.95 Noctilux ....
Wow...that's really interesting. You think the sensor in the M10M would be sensitive enough to IR light to make an image with the proper filter? I thought you had to specially alter sensors to get them to be sensitive to light not in the visible range specially in order to do IR photography....
@@chilecayenne All digital cameras have an UV/IR cut filter over the sensor that are not 100% efficient, making it possible to add an IR pass filter to the front of a lens - albeit with about 10 stops of neutral density. The result is a mixture of IR and the visible spectrum, and tends to be a bit soft. A modified sensor with the UV/IR filter removed has much faster light gathering capacity, and tends to be sharper in contrast. The Leica monochrome’s are different in that they have no Bayer colour filter array, which means that there is far less noise or dispersion of light between light wells, thus with an external IR pass filter there is a significantly better performance than a similarly equipped conventional colour digital camera. This is quite a complex subject and hope this helps.
@@williamcurwen7428 Oh thank you!! I may just pick up one of these filters and give it a try!! I love trying new filters and lenses on this thing all the time for different looks.
I bought the Q2 monochrome a while ago, I’ve not used film at all since then, I have two film cameras both medium format and some unopened film, my Q2 M is doing a great job, one thing about that wonderful the viewfinder is displayed in black and white non of the others including the Pentax Monochrome do.
There is also a potential case against monochrome. If you have two objects in the image that are, e.g., red and blue, but have the same luminance, you may not be able to separate them, or at the very least would need to think in advance to have a color filter to do so. With a color image, you can distinguish them readily in post.
I have an M10M. This year has pretty much been all monochrome - either film or digital. I've got so used to it that it's now hard to shoot in colour. I love colour, but I just love monochrome more.
I was born in 1965 in Kuwait, and during my high school years, I was able to shoot a roll of B&W. It wasn’t easy to buy B&W film or have it developed, especially with my allowance. I also remember I had difficulty selecting the correct color filter that made certain colors become more obvious on a B&W film. It was fun, but not easy to control all the variable (for me). So, I stayed with color & now digital color 😊
Kudos for not just extolling their virtues because you owned one/them. I couldn"t help but think as you described them why film cameras are so great for that purpose - the forcing to make you think - is the image is going to be truly how I want it, knowing that the next time you look at the scene again is sometime later, after the film has been developed.
I shoot low ISO Silvermax out of an F3/T. I would love to get an M10 Mono - but I dont have 10k to drop on a camera. . . I would be too afraid to take it out and at that point you are looking at Hassies and medium format cameras.
While the topic of this video are specifically about the Leica Monochrom cameras, your three points at the beginning resonate with me. I will sometimes set my in-camera previews to a black and white setting despite shooting raw on a color sensor (Fuji X-Trans in my case). Now I'm thinking about doing it more often, just to see what kind of an effect it has on my photography.
When I did my own black and white film, I used colour filters to get the look I wanted. When I got in to digital, i was using Lightroom and photoshop elements and when I’d want black and white I used Silver FX to process and apply the colour filters in post. With a monochrome sensor can do people use the colour filter on the lens like in the old days or will the filters I was used to using in Lightroom still function, or is it entirely different in post when dialing in contrast etc.
I love it. What about shooting a Fuji X100V in Black and white? While not as good as a B&W only sensor, it is better than converting from color to B&W in post?
The sensor is a color one so you are turning color data into BW data. To be fair, the sensors Fuji use are REALLY Good anyway so... use the camera you have! In a way you like! A Q2 will costs you over 4000 euros so... ahum yup. Use what you have!
I bought a Monochrom around August of 2020 (got my hands on a Leitz Wetzlar version!), I figured it'd be fun and I'd use it about half the time or so. No, it soon absolutely dominated my workflow. Paired with something like their classic lenses, especially the vignetting of the f1.2 Nocti or the f5.6 Summaron the results are gorgeous.
What’s the difference between a normal Leica and a “ Leitz Wetzlar version” ? Leicas are out of my comfort zone price wise so I don’t know the in and outs of the Leica line.
@@nurd45 They were a limited run (650 units) that had the old logo from the early 1930's ish on the top. Other than that, there was no difference, not even in price. I saved/budgeted for one, threw my name on a waitlist and hoped. They've done other such limited paint jobs, and will do again. Some are one offs and unique (such as the Lenny Kravitz cameras) others get revisited under new models (such as Leitz Wetzlar engravings or Safari editions) functionally though, they're always the same as the base camera.
You make some great points, but I think a lot depends on genre and whether one is shooting at higher ISO. The M10 or Monochrom has killer dynamic range at higher ISO, but closer to base ISO many cheaper and higher resolution cameras match it on dynamic range (e.g., Sony a7R4). The S2 Monochrom doesn't outperform many cheaper cameras even at higher ISO. The reason I shoot in colour and convert to B&W is creative control over the separate colour channels in post. That, for the kind of images I usually shoot, outweighs any noise advantages at higher ISO, especially with the stunning noise reduction software now available.
I own a Q2 monochrome and love it. The price tag is an ouch but I do feel this is a Leica I can justify. Yes it’s very specific but as you mentioned the sensor, low light capabilities and clarity are amazing. Additionally the fixed lens is a superb one and the macro ring floats my boat. I agree there is a bit of a learning curve to get good contrast right out of the camera but that isn’t a hindrance. I strongly recommend if you have a real love for monochrome images.
Most of my favourite photographers are BW shooters (Ansel Adams, Edward Weston, Michael Kena, etc). It's just I can't afford the M10 Monochrome. Well, already happy with what Nikon Df and Fuji XT-2 deliver. After all, post processing is your friend.
You nailed it once more! There's nothing like it. People make fun of me because I keep using the original Henri that came out in 2012 but when they look at the output they stop laughing. I had a chance to test out the Q2 Monochrom and it's obviously better but the only downside to it in my opinion is the 28mm. I'd rather have a 35mm or even a 24mm instead. And the M10 Monochrom is too expensive for me and I can't justify it professionally. But once you've tasted it, that's all you want to drink. My hope is that Fuji will come up with a true monochrome later on cause I don't see anybody else going for this in the near future. Thanks for your videos and enjoy it!
I’m not sure how this one slipped past me🤔. Everything is simply elegant in black and white. That’s all I shoot these days, black and white film. Great video!
Same here, but until then the guy who runs FujiXWeekly gives you some great film recipes and when using that setting you see in B&W in the viewfinder/sensor
@@MikeKleinsteuber Personally I'd be more interested in an APS-C version of it. The smaller form factor and the price would definitely be more appealing than a GFX medium format camera.
My monochrome leap was part of my choice of dSLR, a Sigma SD14, remove the IR Blocking filter and you have a monochrome with broad spectrum light response, add an IR filter, and I get an IR image. I since purchased a second SD14 that is dedicated to broad spectrum and no longer need to remove or insert the internal filter. I do need to get myself an UV pass filter My work horse camera is a Mamiya RB67 with multiple film backs, Color has Ektar, Cinestill 800T or 50D and I always carry monochrome backs for Ilford HP5+ or Rollei IR 400. Yes, the ability to shoot IR while blocking visible light is important to me. Here is a Question about the Leica - Is it's sensitivity broad spectrum, IR Visible, UV, and can you use an IR filter on it to yield a IR Image ?
The lack of filter is also why astronomical and industrial sensors and cameras also tend to stay B&W-native. I would love to pick up either of those. Glad to hear you can rent them - maybe I'll do just that.
I have carried my M 246 everyday in the last 2 weeks and really enjoy my B&W just for what you have mentioned in your video with better terms! And yesterday, I went to my friend's place and decided to pick up M10D and I had several moment thinking " Dame that I have a colour camera today"..... and that was really weird reaction for me... and know I probably know why thanks Ted.
I've only got a couple of cheap Canon DSLRs. But I do often put them in monochrome 'picture style'. It does make you think differently about the subject.
I'd love to shoot with a monochrom camera one day. I might never actually purchase one, but I believe the experience is going to be great. I sometimes use my A7C with b+w creative style on, and pair it with the zeiss loxia 50 for a simulated 50mm, full manual, b+w range finder experience. It's so much fun to use, especially on the streets.
If you use a Leica lens on a Sony A7riv body using an Voigtlander adapter what are the disadvantages? Do you use loose image quality as using an adapter changes the distance from of the lens from the sensor?
Some gorgeous images there Ted! The Leica monochrome cameras have always been out of my reach. I like to think I have the poverty version though, an old Pentax K-01 mirrorless that lives in "B&W mode" and 50mm f1.2. Image "quality" is no where near the Leica setup but I still have a B&W EVF image to get me thinking about light more then I just process the colour RAWs as I see fit. No higher detail and better sensitivity for me but lots of fun haha! :)
I'm a happy owner and user of a Leica M10 Monochrom and I can definitely enjoy the experience. Sony, Canon or other regular camera has come close to it. It has retaught me how to do photography and made me pay attention to all of the points you've made. The only issues I've struggled with is that it does worse than other cameras when the highlights are clipped, so in many situations I'm forced to underexposed. Other than that, after making a lot of black and white images, I feel the urge to make color photographs again, but I am so spoiled by the amazing image quality of the M10M that I cannot accept any cheap cameras anymore. I HAVE to buy a camera that can produce images that are equal or very close to the M10M (I'm waiting for Leica to release the M11, that's going to drain a lot of money!). So overall, once you get into the rabbithole of Leica Monochrome cameras, be prepared to get caught by the Leica version of GAS!
I always set my digital camera to black and white mode for composure! Then I have the raw image in color to work with also. I still prefer black and white film overall!
I'm also into monochrome for the same reasons and it makes up easily more than 3/4 of the pictures I make. Mostly I shoot film, but the l_monochrome_d output of my Panasonic Lumix GX9 (rangefinder) doesn't look too shabby either ;)
If you really love black and white but you're strapped for cash, an easy and cheap (and possibly even better) alternative is to make a jump to film. Gear, film and chemistry are all (relatively) inexpensive and the film look is unbeatable imo. I took up black and white film as a hobby at the start of the pandemic, and I absolutely fell head over heels for it. It's so gorgeous!
I am considering M246 as my entry point to monochrom. Since I already have M240 I thought I can share the batteries and accessories. Do you think it’s worth it or simply “take the leap” for the Q2m instead ?
@@kubowich That was my 1st B&W(M246). I ran the numbers and it seemed like the logical play. Unfortunately it was the "gateway drug"! Once I saw the images there was no going back! I I then found a "motivated seller" (guy with 2 small kids and wife} and acquired a Q2. Value wise I don't see a better option, 47M sensor, gorgeous 1.7 Summilux lenses and access to Leica photos app, EVF, 50K ISO. and last but not least autofocus! No brainer! Eventually found another seller who was Leica ambassador who was a dedicated film shooter and eschewed the digital experience and here I am with 3 monochrom cameras. The only down side for me in the M246 was having to physically transfer images. Image quality was to die for! Hope this helps. BTW I also have a Q2, CL and M10P so best of both worlds! Good luck!
@@noseycomic499 it doesn’t :D I am very tempted by M246 because I love the M….ocassional AF and mainly the close focus of Q2m though are very appealing. Actually, 47mpix I take as a downside. Need to buy new cards, more storage, maybe even new macbook :D
You may be the only person to be able to answer this question. I do platinum palladium printing and was torn between the monochrom m10 and the X1dii but nobody could tell me how many shades of grey the monochrom can capture vs what i could get from the 16bit X1dii and would my printer even be able to take advantage of whatever had the most shades when printing my digital negative. I emailed Leica and no reply. I went X1dii and I’m starting to learn subtractive be conversion in photoshop. The Leica is still intriguing but I really wanted to know this answer.
I had the Leica M 246 Monochrom that was so a joy to use. I sold it to fund a M. Now wondering which of the Monochroms- M246, M10 or M11 would be considered the most organic and film like (pardon the cliche). I mean like character. Seen some say the M11 files are amazing but needs a little work to bring life to files. I have used the M9 Mono and that had a little more character despite its older tech. I knows maybe CCD. Im not after such crazy iso and speed- but what is nice files as is?
Is the tonal range from black to white larger? Are there more subtle grey tones? Thoughts appreciated. In the finished product can you really tell a BW from a monochrome camera vs. a color camera?
I've shot with the Leica M Monochrome before, and the image is absolutely beautiful. So much better than the conversions I get from a colored sensor like the Leica SL2 I have
I told my wife a few years I absolutely would love to get the M10 Monochrome some day. She asked for the price 😬, and never spoke about it again 😂.
Your first mistake was asking.
My worst nightmare is that my partner will sell all my photography gear for what i told her i payed for it... 🤪
What’s the price?
@@marcokalle2452 lol
@@EDHBlvd lol first mistake was marriage
I always feel good when I see other “left eye” photographers. I always appreciate the content Ted thanks
Here's to the left eyed ;-) Thanks man…
Lefty here too. 👍
Same here :)
I didn't think that left eye was exclusive. I'm a lefty as well
My son is left eyed photographer.
I picked up the Leica M 10 Monochrom myself a couple of weeks ago and I must admit, I am enjoying the process so much that I gifted my primary "colour" camera to a colleague of mine. I absolutely love how it makes one a better photographer, I just love how it forces one to think twice about the light. Highly recommended.
Thank you for this. I get asked all the time why I shoot with a dedicated B&W camera (M10M)...and instead of trying to explain it to them, I'm just going to send them this video because you've done a way better job at doing it than I ever could.
For my 60th birthday, I treated myself to my first Leica, a Type 246 Monochrom. Best camera in my toolbox for the type of imagery that I enjoy.
Me too, but add 5 years😊
Lucky you!
I'm roughly a 95+% black and white shooter for over thirty years. I spotted the title on this video and initially avoided it feeling the last thing needed was another promotion of gear I can't afford. I'm glad your emphasis and fine examples had to do with the image making per se. I've been using an Olympus Pen F, set strictly on Monochrome setting with further settings established in camera. . . yellow filter, highlight and shadow 'S' curve setting, grain pattern (which like TriX is unique to each shot), etc. My post processing is at its barest minimum. I've been extremely satisfied with the results.
Thank you for this V.
I have a 246 Monochrom and I'm still in love with it. It's such a stunning camera.
I was nervous dropping the money on a new Q2 Monochrome, but I had loved the original Q and was always curious about Leica’s monochrome cameras. I absolutely love it. I have a Leica orange filter and an b+w red filter that I change depending on my mood or how dark I want the sky in relation to the other parts of the frame. I love that the EVF forces me to see in monochrome and it makes composition easier. It takes some time to adapt to the new way of seeing, plenty of photos I might miss out on because they may only work in color, but that’s a trade off in more than happy to make. If color is necessary I can bring another camera along but I love monochrome.
I hope you will opt for either Leica Monochrome camera, we have had some difficult years and it’s ok to treat yourself.
@Bryan so having 2 Q series cameras, do you find the Q2M more satisfying than shooting on your Q in b/w mode or editing color images in Lightroom? Talk me out of buying another $6k point and shoot.
@@t.breeze8659 Its early and I haven’t had my coffee so allow me to ramble a bit…
If I told you that the Monochrome isn’t worth the money, that would be dishonest of me :) The shooting experience alone is wonderful knowing we are limited to black and white. The additional sharpness (although only slight) really is there. Something about the intentionality of using the filters is nice too. Of course, you can still adjust contrast during your edits but your exposure is essentially different altogether. Red filter for example are making the sky darker, closer to or maybe even darker than the elements in your frame that are not the sky. On a color camera it would be too bright if the dynamic range is too high (say shooting around mid day). The transition between tones is maybe the largest adventure that I none of us can get with a color to black and white conversion in post. ISO is also about a half a stop better than the Q3 color which I just got, and that had a more modern sensor. So a Q3 Monochrome would likely be 1 full stop better ISO than Q2 Monochrome and have slightly better autofocus.
Personally I wouldn’t wait though, just get what you like now because life is so short.
@@Bryan-lu4du I just came across your reply. Thanks for your thoughts. I already own a Q2. If Leica releases a Q3 monochrom, I’ll consider. The Q2 is the camera I reach for most often
The Q2 Monochrom rocks. I had one, sold it, and miss it dearly.
This is the most illuminating peace about Leica's monochrome cameras I ever came across. Thank you🙏
Got my Q2M a few weeks ago an MAN is the image quality stunning. nothing I have ever seen before. I am in love :)
I really like the amount of contrast and darker tones you use. The images just look so rich!
Not seeing you talk straight into the camera as usual was a bit surprising, but I like the format nonetheless. And I loved the photos you chose to show us. Cheers! -Rick
Blown away by how much I love the supermarket shot just after 1 min mark ... I've travelled all over to explore and capture and then something comes along to remind you that great pic opps are all around us
My heart absolutely fell when I discovered the price. This is a beautiful camera.
@@chilecayenne $9000 USD (+ import, tax, etc...) for a non primary camera is quite unreasonable for me (to be spending). I can see about $2-4k USD, but that's my limit unless I'm getting a GFX 100. Photography is a hobby for me, intensive, but all the same, I'm not making money on it atm.
@@luckeycat_ I didn't pay nearly that much for my M10M, I paid LESS than $8K. NIB.
Where are you looking that they are that expensive? I bought mine almost a year ago, hard to imagine they increased in price that much.
I bought online, so, no sales tax added.
If you hunt and look, you can still get that deal at smaller places.
Hint: Don't look big box stores.
HTH
FYI, I bought a used GFX100 for $7K. From B&H used and I could not tell it had every been used. Maybe floor model.
I just save all the time and don't buy small crap...and drop coin on special things I really want from time to time.
I'm far from wealthy.
@@chilecayenne B&H, I live in Canada.
@@chilecayenne yes, that's the way to do it
This is a masterpiece. I've eyed the Leica Q2 Monochrom quite a bit and am planning on renting it alongside the original Q2 to put to the test/make a few videos about. But yeah, love the way this video flowed, beautifully done!
Hi Ted. I've been one of your many avid followers. I am glad you finally embraced using Leica. Thanks for the sharing all these years!
When I see a new video from Ted pop up in my subscriptions in box, I feel a big smile come on my face as I know I’m in for a treat.
I think this has been one of my favorite videos of yours in a long time. Very well thought out, beautiful, and concise. As much as I would love a monochrome camera I really can't justify it. I feel like higher detail and better sensitivity is not enough reason for me to spend that amount of money to have less options creatively - although I guess that is part of the appeal - it is our constraints we impose upon ourselves that inspire creativity. Creatively though... detail and sensitivity are low on my list of things I care about with photography (if a photo is compelling it can be noisy, low in detail and even not entirely in focus). Don't get me wrong though.... I would definitely get one if money was no issue. If you do have a limited budget and want to inspire creativity - or just want to work out whether you like thinking in B&W - I would advise anyone who has a mirrorless camera to change your settings so you can see the viewfinder and back screen in B&W. I am finding I do it more often these days and I think I am ending up with better compositions.
I just recently picked up a used M Monochrom typ 246 for $3500 and it is in perfect condition. After questioning my sanity about buying a camera with a dedicated monochrome sensor I can honestly say it is exceeding my expectations. There really is something magical about seeing those files. Cheers!
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An artist can express the most with the finest tools. The finest tool cannot create art, it requires symbiosis. This tool, the M10 and Q2, are among the finest and most prolific.
I've started a personal photography challenge where I regularly shoot and upload black and white 1:1 images, and what you said about the compositional effects monochrome has on photography rings astoundingly true. Taking black and white images is quite the thoughtful and enjoyable process!
Excellent video, as always.
Shoot Ilford HP5+, that will really teach you "the ropes". 😏
Ted, just watched this as I travel back to Norfolk from San Francisco on Amtrak. I took the train both ways and the only camera I have with me is the M10M. The choice is a personal one, but for me I’m happy I took the leap.
I just love my M10M. No matter what camera I may want to shoot with on a given day, I take a least two and the M10M is always one of them!!
Im doing a cross-state Amtrak trip soon as well and my only camera will be an M9 with 35mm lens. Wish I had a monochrome, but this will do. Stoked!
This is probably my favorite episode of yours so far. I’ve been shooting b&w about 90% of the time during my first 17 odd years in photography. However this calendar year I decided to challenge myself and for the first time dedicate all of my work to colour. This was extremely challenging at first but I eventually fell in love with FujiFilm’s film simulations, especially classic chrome. I’ve actually grown so attached to the X-T4 that is the first camera to curve my appetite for a Leica. However after viewing your video, I’m considering renting a monochrome Leica for a week to experience the image quality and overall performance for myself. Great video and very informative as always. Cheers!
Having purchased my Q2M just before the world turned surreal has been mentally nourishing. Add the easy menu setup, the confidence from the build quality and every picture, mundane or not puts a smile on my brain. I hope every photographer feels or gets to feel the same with their camera.
Excellent video, Ted! A huge advantage of a mirrorless monochrome camera is the ability to see the B&W image in real time as one composes the shot. You've really got me thinking now.
Great vid, Ted. I like when you do these vids where you get into the art and approach. Your series on great photographers was a huge help to me. Thanks for that
Greetings from 🇵🇰 Pakistan. i am long time canon and fuji shooter. Occasionally shoot sony a7III and on few occasions with my wife’s nikon too. However Q2 monochrom is my first leica. I really gave it a good thought as it is expensive. However you have exactly hit the nail on the head. The defining features are “higher sensitivity” and “ greater detail” . love it. I wish i could post few samples here. The are mind blowing for the two features you emphasized upon. Thanks for a great episode.
With an understanding of the whole idea behind the Leica Monochrom cameras, it was amazing to see your example images as even the ISO 100,000 image had grain that was actually somewhat *desirable* rather than unpleasant. Beautiful stuff.
Love my M10M. I’ve never been so excited about a camera. For dynamic range and low light performance, it’s hard to beat. M10M and a 50 1.4 Summilux are a match made in heaven. ❤
Ted as always nails it with carefully thought out discussion points, examples a plenty and sends us out to try out some of his ideas. Excellent thank you sir.
My “monochrome camera” is the Pen-F. With its mono/color dial you can choose ANY color B&W filter, in several intensities. I am currently experimenting with cyan and magenta B&W filters. With Olympus’ live view the EVF/LCD of the Pen-F instantly shows you the monochrome result as you dial in the filter color/intensity of your choice. So many options. With a monochrome-only camera you need to carry around a few pocketfuls of color filters of various intensities.
A very compelling case for monochromatic cameras. As an old guy that shot Leica M in 1990, I also understand the fetish. I was mentally shooting down what I thought you would say before I watched it. Your delivery was well received! Now about the cost… I will have to pretend I have enough with a Nikon D850, Nikon Z6 and some amazing glass that I won’t start looking into Leica again. I also got some Fujifilm X to fill my street shooting gaps. I just cannot bring myself to spend that much money for such a one trick pony. But if I was a richer man, you have sold me.
I got the M10 Monochrom for my anniversary and I absolutely love it. I've been shooting a lot of the family events with it
I doubt if I will ever afford a Leica but I do convert images to B&W fairly often so was interested in this video. Your comments on the problems introduced by the Bayer filter compared with a straight monochrome setup made me wonder about the use of Foveon sensors. They don't solve the problem of restrictions on ISO performance and limits on dynammic range but they do remove sme of the demosaicing issues.
As it happens I had a Sigma DP1 Merrill sitting in my cupboard that I purchased about 7 years ago, I have not used it much because of its limited dynamic range, but under ideal conditions it captures impressive images. Having wathed your video I dug it out and have tried a few monochrome images - initial results are encouraging so I have a new project to keep me amused: thanks!
absolutely, YES! I used to convert most of my digital images to B&W - and always have BW rolls in my M2 - until i bought an M Monochrom (the original CCD sensor) a few years ago. Best decision I ever made when it comes to photography. Then about a year ago I made the worst decision and convinced myself that I "needed" a more versatile body, sold the MM and bought an SL. It is a wonderful piece of equipment and it takes fantastic photos, but i was missing the MM so much that I recently bought one again. It was like seeing an old friend after a long separation. I shoot with it most of the time now and reserve the SL for the rare occasions when I do need color images. I also even got a Sony RX1 converted to monochrome, instead of getting the excellent Q2M - which would have cost me WAY more....
There's a Leica store in my city. Whenever we get out of lockdown, it would be great to try these cameras out. I've long preferred black and white over colour, always shot black and white film and digital with monochrome presets. Didn't know that all cameras are technically monochrome. Very interesting video.
I always defer to Ralph Gibson, when asked if he likes color or black and white, said "I prefer to work in all three." Love the even-keel feel of your narration, and the pared-down minimal feel of your home or studio. Appreciate your comparison of the M-10 in color to the same scene with the Monochrom.
It's good to see you back in what you do best!
I have a Leica M4 film camera and I have forty + years shooting black and white film. Professionally I mainly shoot with a range of Sony cameras. I converted my Sony A7rII to a monochrome camera and the results are just incredible. I know it’s not the build quality of the Leica Monochromes but I’m incredibly pleased with the results.
I rented the Leica Q2M for two weeks. It was a fantastic user experience. The sensor is amazing. The overall sharpness and level of detail is out of this world. The sensor has so little noise as well. I can't way that I would ever purchase the camera, but it is an amazing fun rental camera.
I own the M10 Monochrome and honestly speaking that camera ignited my Love for photography like never before and it by far my favorite camera of all time - it is tough to deal with but once you nail it you will fall in love with it everyday - For anyone reading this if you are a wide angle shooter guy/girl (28mm) Q2M is a beast of camera for what it offers and ISO performance is head to head with the M10M with the fraction of the price.
My love for photography was ignited by a Kodak Brownie Six-20 that I had to wrench from my money conscious father as a Xmas gift in 1958 at age 12.
I'd recommend buying a Holga, or a Leica M2, used Rolleiflex F or Nikon FM2 and shoot some Tri-X with them; then you will really get to *love* photography.
For a fraction of the price (plus some times the *thinking* and effort) you will get a real accomplishment hard-on. Needed gear won't break anyone's piggy (a lightproof bag, developing tank and film scanner) or I will swap you my pro darkroom worth twice the price of an M10M for yours.
Actually, go the Garry Winnogrand way, get yourself a M4 and a 21mm, tons of film and leave them for your heirs to curate. [ROTFL] 🤣
Beautiful. Simply stunning images and design.
As an avid film shooter who sees in hp5 b&w, I support this video.
Great work, Ted. Love the vibe.
I concur. 👍
To include *_"B&W"_* in a conversation about photography you *must* be referring to film. With the exception of Solms/Wetzlar perversions all digital photography was captured in color and then comnverted.
Not too long ago (but then I'm an old geezer) I carried anywhere two cameras, one loaded with color film and the other with b&W, plus lenses and *dozens* of rolls. It was not until early this century that I could "make do" with shooting just color, and then scanning; although the conversion to B&W was hideous.
IMHO, yes, many digital images lend themselves to B&W rendition; the same way some drawings are better than watercolor. It takes, however, a trained brain to create in B&W; you need a Salgado, Erwitt, Winnogrand, Bresson or Maier for it. Most folks don't.
Still shooting my M9Mono and loving it. This camera is fabulous.
I think you might have just produced a better argument for buying either of these than Leica will. Beautifully done . 👍
I could not agree more. There’s something dreamy and otherworldly about monochrome that grabs my eye more than color. I even love classic black and white movies. I am so tempted to get a Monochrom Q2 or M10.
I like this new inner monologue approach to the video!! Do it again!!! Lol. Also great content as usual. I’m trying to save enough money to get my hands on the Q2. Still up in the air in regards to if it’ll be the monochrom or color version and after seeing this I’m leaning towards monochrom 😁
Thanks Ted for an articulate and expressive essay on monochrome. Sorry, but I am still going to bat with the other team. Love your work, Peter.
I am doing a lot of infrared photography, and the quality of the high ISO settings on the M10M are so good, I could quite easily do handheld with a Hoya R72. It is the absence of a Bayer filter and a genuine panchromatic response that really does make it doable. That, and a f0.95 Noctilux ....
Wow...that's really interesting.
You think the sensor in the M10M would be sensitive enough to IR light to make an image with the proper filter? I thought you had to specially alter sensors to get them to be sensitive to light not in the visible range specially in order to do IR photography....
@@chilecayenne All digital cameras have an UV/IR cut filter over the sensor that are not 100% efficient, making it possible to add an IR pass filter to the front of a lens - albeit with about 10 stops of neutral density. The result is a mixture of IR and the visible spectrum, and tends to be a bit soft. A modified sensor with the UV/IR filter removed has much faster light gathering capacity, and tends to be sharper in contrast. The Leica monochrome’s are different in that they have no Bayer colour filter array, which means that there is far less noise or dispersion of light between light wells, thus with an external IR pass filter there is a significantly better performance than a similarly equipped conventional colour digital camera. This is quite a complex subject and hope this helps.
@@williamcurwen7428 Oh thank you!!
I may just pick up one of these filters and give it a try!!
I love trying new filters and lenses on this thing all the time for different looks.
@@chilecayenne You will do very well with a Hoya R72 filter - very effective, good luck!
Man what a great video. The production value is on point here Ted!
Some great classic photographs here, plus some modern classics from Ted! Great video.
I bought the Q2 monochrome a while ago, I’ve not used film at all since then, I have two film cameras both medium format and some unopened film, my Q2 M is doing a great job, one thing about that wonderful the viewfinder is displayed in black and white non of the others including the Pentax Monochrome do.
There is also a potential case against monochrome. If you have two objects in the image that are, e.g., red and blue, but have the same luminance, you may not be able to separate them, or at the very least would need to think in advance to have a color filter to do so. With a color image, you can distinguish them readily in post.
That works both ways 😅
If you have a messy colorful background that's distracting, the black and white will make it less distracting
I have an M10M. This year has pretty much been all monochrome - either film or digital. I've got so used to it that it's now hard to shoot in colour. I love colour, but I just love monochrome more.
I was born in 1965 in Kuwait, and during my high school years, I was able to shoot a roll of B&W. It wasn’t easy to buy B&W film or have it developed, especially with my allowance. I also remember I had difficulty selecting the correct color filter that made certain colors become more obvious on a B&W film. It was fun, but not easy to control all the variable (for me). So, I stayed with color & now digital color 😊
Beautiful photographs in this one. Amazing video as always Ted!
I was skeptical until I bought the Q2 Monochrom. It’s a game changer!
Kudos for not just extolling their virtues because you owned one/them. I couldn"t help but think as you described them why film cameras are so great for that purpose - the forcing to make you think - is the image is going to be truly how I want it, knowing that the next time you look at the scene again is sometime later, after the film has been developed.
I shoot low ISO Silvermax out of an F3/T.
I would love to get an M10 Mono - but I dont have 10k to drop on a camera. . . I would be too afraid to take it out and at that point you are looking at Hassies and medium format cameras.
The new filming space is coming along /quite/ nicely. Outstanding.
While the topic of this video are specifically about the Leica Monochrom cameras, your three points at the beginning resonate with me. I will sometimes set my in-camera previews to a black and white setting despite shooting raw on a color sensor (Fuji X-Trans in my case). Now I'm thinking about doing it more often, just to see what kind of an effect it has on my photography.
When I did my own black and white film, I used colour filters to get the look I wanted. When I got in to digital, i was using Lightroom and photoshop elements and when I’d want black and white I used Silver FX to process and apply the colour filters in post. With a monochrome sensor can do people use the colour filter on the lens like in the old days or will the filters I was used to using in Lightroom still function, or is it entirely different in post when dialing in contrast etc.
I love it.
What about shooting a Fuji X100V in Black and white? While not as good as a B&W only sensor, it is better than converting from color to B&W in post?
The sensor is a color one so you are turning color data into BW data.
To be fair, the sensors Fuji use are REALLY Good anyway so... use the camera you have! In a way you like!
A Q2 will costs you over 4000 euros so... ahum yup. Use what you have!
@Frank Silvers ok LoL
I bought a Monochrom around August of 2020 (got my hands on a Leitz Wetzlar version!), I figured it'd be fun and I'd use it about half the time or so. No, it soon absolutely dominated my workflow. Paired with something like their classic lenses, especially the vignetting of the f1.2 Nocti or the f5.6 Summaron the results are gorgeous.
What’s the difference between a normal Leica and a “ Leitz Wetzlar version” ? Leicas are out of my comfort zone price wise so I don’t know the in and outs of the Leica line.
@@nurd45 They were a limited run (650 units) that had the old logo from the early 1930's ish on the top. Other than that, there was no difference, not even in price. I saved/budgeted for one, threw my name on a waitlist and hoped. They've done other such limited paint jobs, and will do again. Some are one offs and unique (such as the Lenny Kravitz cameras) others get revisited under new models (such as Leitz Wetzlar engravings or Safari editions) functionally though, they're always the same as the base camera.
You make some great points, but I think a lot depends on genre and whether one is shooting at higher ISO. The M10 or Monochrom has killer dynamic range at higher ISO, but closer to base ISO many cheaper and higher resolution cameras match it on dynamic range (e.g., Sony a7R4). The S2 Monochrom doesn't outperform many cheaper cameras even at higher ISO. The reason I shoot in colour and convert to B&W is creative control over the separate colour channels in post. That, for the kind of images I usually shoot, outweighs any noise advantages at higher ISO, especially with the stunning noise reduction software now available.
Aside from the message this was a visually appealing video. Very inspiring.
I own a Q2 monochrome and love it. The price tag is an ouch but I do feel this is a Leica I can justify. Yes it’s very specific but as you mentioned the sensor, low light capabilities and clarity are amazing. Additionally the fixed lens is a superb one and the macro ring floats my boat. I agree there is a bit of a learning curve to get good contrast right out of the camera but that isn’t a hindrance. I strongly recommend if you have a real love for monochrome images.
I keep watching these videos. Been eyeing the Leica Q2 monochrome for a while. Maybe some day.
I'm on your page when it comes to shooting black and white. I set my Olympus E-PL6 to monochrome for my B&W work.
By far the best review for the M10M and Q2M. 🙌👏👍
Most of my favourite photographers are BW shooters (Ansel Adams, Edward Weston, Michael Kena, etc).
It's just I can't afford the M10 Monochrome.
Well, already happy with what Nikon Df and Fuji XT-2 deliver. After all, post processing is your friend.
You nailed it once more! There's nothing like it. People make fun of me because I keep using the original Henri that came out in 2012 but when they look at the output they stop laughing. I had a chance to test out the Q2 Monochrom and it's obviously better but the only downside to it in my opinion is the 28mm. I'd rather have a 35mm or even a 24mm instead. And the M10 Monochrom is too expensive for me and I can't justify it professionally. But once you've tasted it, that's all you want to drink. My hope is that Fuji will come up with a true monochrome later on cause I don't see anybody else going for this in the near future. Thanks for your videos and enjoy it!
I’m not sure how this one slipped past me🤔. Everything is simply elegant in black and white. That’s all I shoot these days, black and white film. Great video!
I sincerely wish Fuji would release something like these cameras.
Same here, but until then the guy who runs FujiXWeekly gives you some great film recipes and when using that setting you see in B&W in the viewfinder/sensor
Why not just shoot Acros or Mono film simulations?
GFX Mono will arrive soon
@@ronmasters751 Same reasons that Ted mentioned in the video, only in a smaller and more affordable package.
@@MikeKleinsteuber Personally I'd be more interested in an APS-C version of it. The smaller form factor and the price would definitely be more appealing than a GFX medium format camera.
My monochrome leap was part of my choice of dSLR, a Sigma SD14, remove the IR Blocking filter and you have a monochrome with broad spectrum light response, add an IR filter, and I get an IR image. I since purchased a second SD14 that is dedicated to broad spectrum and no longer need to remove or insert the internal filter. I do need to get myself an UV pass filter
My work horse camera is a Mamiya RB67 with multiple film backs, Color has Ektar, Cinestill 800T or 50D and I always carry monochrome backs for Ilford HP5+ or Rollei IR 400. Yes, the ability to shoot IR while blocking visible light is important to me.
Here is a Question about the Leica - Is it's sensitivity broad spectrum, IR Visible, UV, and can you use an IR filter on it to yield a IR Image ?
The lack of filter is also why astronomical and industrial sensors and cameras also tend to stay B&W-native. I would love to pick up either of those. Glad to hear you can rent them - maybe I'll do just that.
I have carried my M 246 everyday in the last 2 weeks and really enjoy my B&W just for what you have mentioned in your video with better terms! And yesterday, I went to my friend's place and decided to pick up M10D and I had several moment thinking " Dame that I have a colour camera today"..... and that was really weird reaction for me... and know I probably know why thanks Ted.
I've only got a couple of cheap Canon DSLRs. But I do often put them in monochrome 'picture style'. It does make you think differently about the subject.
Your move Fujifilm. I would love an X-T5 with a dedicated monochrome sensor… X-T5M?
I hear you. Although the Fuji Acros simulation is quite good. Alas…not the same as a dedicated sensor.
Very interesting idea!
I'd love to see a X-Pro monochrome.
Yes that would be wonderful! Xt or x-pro! Come on Fuji! 🙏✊
The x-pro3 is more comparable to the Leica
5:17 that is an incredible photo !!
I'd love to shoot with a monochrom camera one day. I might never actually purchase one, but I believe the experience is going to be great. I sometimes use my A7C with b+w creative style on, and pair it with the zeiss loxia 50 for a simulated 50mm, full manual, b+w range finder experience. It's so much fun to use, especially on the streets.
If you use a Leica lens on a Sony A7riv body using an Voigtlander adapter what are the disadvantages? Do you use loose image quality as using an adapter changes the distance from of the lens from the sensor?
Some gorgeous images there Ted! The Leica monochrome cameras have always been out of my reach. I like to think I have the poverty version though, an old Pentax K-01 mirrorless that lives in "B&W mode" and 50mm f1.2. Image "quality" is no where near the Leica setup but I still have a B&W EVF image to get me thinking about light more then I just process the colour RAWs as I see fit. No higher detail and better sensitivity for me but lots of fun haha! :)
I'm a happy owner and user of a Leica M10 Monochrom and I can definitely enjoy the experience. Sony, Canon or other regular camera has come close to it. It has retaught me how to do photography and made me pay attention to all of the points you've made. The only issues I've struggled with is that it does worse than other cameras when the highlights are clipped, so in many situations I'm forced to underexposed. Other than that, after making a lot of black and white images, I feel the urge to make color photographs again, but I am so spoiled by the amazing image quality of the M10M that I cannot accept any cheap cameras anymore. I HAVE to buy a camera that can produce images that are equal or very close to the M10M (I'm waiting for Leica to release the M11, that's going to drain a lot of money!). So overall, once you get into the rabbithole of Leica Monochrome cameras, be prepared to get caught by the Leica version of GAS!
The price tags on these cameras makes my head spin, they are amazing though.
I always set my digital camera to black and white mode for composure! Then I have the raw image in color to work with also. I still prefer black and white film overall!
When I shot film cameras with bw film, I used to add a red filter so the image I saw through the viewfinder was monotone.
I'm also into monochrome for the same reasons and it makes up easily more than 3/4 of the pictures I make. Mostly I shoot film, but the l_monochrome_d output of my Panasonic Lumix GX9 (rangefinder) doesn't look too shabby either ;)
If you really love black and white but you're strapped for cash, an easy and cheap (and possibly even better) alternative is to make a jump to film. Gear, film and chemistry are all (relatively) inexpensive and the film look is unbeatable imo. I took up black and white film as a hobby at the start of the pandemic, and I absolutely fell head over heels for it. It's so gorgeous!
I'm a photographer, not a lab rat. I ALWAYS have my film developed and scanned a a Pro lab.
I have the SL2, the CL and the Q2Mono. Guess which one is my favourite?
I own the Q2, the M10M and the M246 ! Needless to say I’m hooked. Thanks for the video.
I am considering M246 as my entry point to monochrom. Since I already have M240 I thought I can share the batteries and accessories. Do you think it’s worth it or simply “take the leap” for the Q2m instead ?
@@kubowich That was my 1st B&W(M246). I ran the numbers and it seemed like the logical play. Unfortunately it was the "gateway drug"! Once I saw the images there was no going back! I I then found a "motivated seller" (guy with 2 small kids and wife} and acquired a Q2. Value wise I don't see a better option, 47M sensor, gorgeous 1.7 Summilux lenses and access to Leica photos app, EVF, 50K ISO. and last but not least autofocus! No brainer! Eventually found another seller who was Leica ambassador who was a dedicated film shooter and eschewed the digital experience and here I am with 3 monochrom cameras. The only down side for me in the M246 was having to physically transfer images. Image quality was to die for! Hope this helps. BTW I also have a Q2, CL and M10P so best of both worlds! Good luck!
@@noseycomic499 it doesn’t :D I am very tempted by M246 because I love the M….ocassional AF and mainly the close focus of Q2m though are very appealing. Actually, 47mpix I take as a downside. Need to buy new cards, more storage, maybe even new macbook :D
whats the photo with the baseball player called?
You may be the only person to be able to answer this question. I do platinum palladium printing and was torn between the monochrom m10 and the X1dii but nobody could tell me how many shades of grey the monochrom can capture vs what i could get from the 16bit X1dii and would my printer even be able to take advantage of whatever had the most shades when printing my digital negative.
I emailed Leica and no reply. I went X1dii and I’m starting to learn subtractive be conversion in photoshop. The Leica is still intriguing but I really wanted to know this answer.
I had the Leica M 246 Monochrom that was so a joy to use. I sold it to fund a M. Now wondering which of the Monochroms- M246, M10 or M11 would be considered the most organic and film like (pardon the cliche). I mean like character. Seen some say the M11 files are amazing but needs a little work to bring life to files. I have used the M9 Mono and that had a little more character despite its older tech. I knows maybe CCD. Im not after such crazy iso and speed- but what is nice files as is?
Is there any difference from using any digital camera in B&W mode,? say fujifilm or Pentax film simulation , interns of quality?
Yea there is a difference for sure monochrome sensors will always be sharper, tonality is wider and iso performance always going to be superior
Is the tonal range from black to white larger? Are there more subtle grey tones? Thoughts appreciated. In the finished product can you really tell a BW from a monochrome camera vs. a color camera?
Ok. Any arguments for 'digital FF camera that shoots monochrome only costs about 8k euro' ?
what about the original monochrom? could be worth it today as the price settled?
The Nikon Z7/ Z7II have no sensor filter, so is that comparable to the Leica?
I've shot with the Leica M Monochrome before, and the image is absolutely beautiful.
So much better than the conversions I get from a colored sensor like the Leica SL2 I have