It's also really great to have a critical view on fanservice rather than just "all fanservice bad, it makes me uncomfortable" not that it's invalid to feel uncomfortable with a lot of fanservice, it's just not great media literacy. Having someone explore and explain the history has made me gain a lot respect for the origins of fanservice, and an understanding as to why it's all so similar and boring now, it's almost the "safe" thing to create. I'm glad to see you mentioned Interspecies Reviewers as an example of GOOD fanservice, it may honestly be my favorite anime of the 2020's.
Speaking as a woman, I really appreciated the fanservice in My Dress Up Darling. Marin Kitagawa only ever shows off her body to the one guy she had a thing for. She's always in complete control of her body and the camera. She keeps her agency the entire time.
Agree 100%. I also love how much attention the show puts on her just being so damn happy about her cosplay. It shows enthusiasm, which is so important with any sexual stuff.
@@agramugliaThe fact that My Dress Up Darling's creator is a woman who based Marin off herself helps a lot. It's clearly an irl cosplayer having fun with vaguely bisexual vibes. Like, the love hotel scene was soooo spicy without them even doing anything, and that shit slapped harder than actual sex scenes that year (2022) Honestly a great way for people to stop complaining about fanservice shows is for the fanservice to be consensual between the characters, like in 100 Girlfriends, Hokkaido Gals, or even non-harem shows like Metallic Rouge (which is scifi mystery action more than it is about fanservice).
I think it comes down to the role of voyeurism. In so much fan service, the characters themselves seem to have no sexual feelings. They are entirely desexuallzed. However, the camera makes darn sure that we view them in a sexual way. We see their breasts, thighs, even panties center frame, while the character herself is presented as super awkward or some fake version of "wholesome." Marin is different. She knows exactly how good she looks, and she loves it.
As a person in my 30’s, I feel very heard with this essay, Ant. I remember always coming up with excuses for my interest in some of these fan service elements in my anime, at points creating my own self persecution complex that I need to examine narrative to justify certain elements. Yet, now when I get a glimpse of current running shows, I’m often filled in on the premise and gimmick, only to often be disappointed when nothing more is explored. I hate being that old guy in the room yelling at clouds about how the kids these days are missing out on what was good back in the day, and I often have an open mind to new trends painting over my nostalgic. But modern harem is both oversaturated and has less sticking power to the canvas. It just makes me sad to see my 80’s big boob, big haired, loud and proud women just be defaced by some whiny gatekeepers goo. I don’t expect that era to return, at least not in the time capsule it was buried under, but I do hope those current outliers are seen more, and stories and sex make better partners, than strange bedfellows after a one night stand.
Also in my 30s, and came to say the same thing. Well said. When I see what's hot and recommended on services like Crunchyroll, I'm just reminded that I'm not part of the target audience anymore, and I have to work a little harder to find something that suits my taste. I'm just grateful that we have better means to discover and acquire older and out-of-season shows than we did in years past. I grew up in the "You'll take what you get on Toonami and Adult Swim and deal with it" era, so to be able to watch good anime from years ago is something I don't take for granted.
Interspecies Reviewers was so good I read the manga. Real shame that the anime got dropped. I love how sex positive it is and goes over how different people like different things. One would expect an anime/manga that centers on reviewing and rating sexual encounters to have a hard streak of objectification and meanness about it yet it centers around joy, celebrating differences, tolerance, and has a few touching love stories. It even challenges you by going "hey this is gross, right?" and then completely immerses you in the opposite perspective. 10/10 I also love 100 Girlfriends since its mostly wholesome but the age gap stuff is creepy. And theres some ick moments in the manga. However I can also understand being young and wanting the older hot milf, college girl, or ethics teacher (incidentally they are my favorites and still would have been when I was in high school). One small adjustment I'd make is to add a few of those "this is a joke/fantasy. Dont actually do this/this person is wrong" notations that they do sometimes. 9.5/10 My Dress Up Darling is just a wonderfully wholesome romance with some kick to it. I do like how it somewhat challenges fan service in that it literally gives you Gojo's perspective and goes showing skin is not solely sexual, put that aspect of showing skin aside, there is a job to be done here. 10/10 Some of the anime mentioned I had little interest in ever watching but have now been filed under "never watch." This video gave a great perspective on the subject. 10/10
Your comment about watching a shojo and a fan servicey shonen back to back reminded me of when my college’s anime club played Love Hina and Gravitation back to back, now that was an amusing contrast.
Utena is here to make a difference with her whip. I'm on the edge of my seat to hear the uncensored audio on the BR release. How much did they push the envelope or is it just marketing? After six episodes I'm leaning towards the first possibility.
Tenchi Muyo was one of the most important anime of my life. It was the one I used to introduce my late spouse to anime and our shared viewings of it were high points in our relationship.
@@Kakaze1 Kill la Kill satirizes and plays with a bunch of tropes, but at the end of the day, I do feel it's earnest in what it's portraying. It's like how One Punch Man being a parody of X or Y doesn't make it any less of an action superhero shounen manga.
Please do make an Elfen Lied vid. I’ve been trying to come to terms with my relationship with that series now that I’m in my 20’s and I watched it as a 13 year old the summer before Freshman year of Highschool. I was so attached to the character Kaede (Lucy) and even now with my media perception has changed now being a film school graduate, I still find myself oddly drawn to the anime and lesser so the manga.
I dont remember much from watching Elfen Lied myself, what I do remember was my little sister at some point asking me about it. She was probably 10 at the time, she had been looking for music on youtube, and "elfen lied" just translates to "elf song" in Dutch. I am not sure what exactly she saw , but somehow I doubt it was appropriate for someone her age...
Do it as a follow-up. It would be interesting for younger characters have their arcs being diverted for poor taste. The seven-deadly sin artist had a lackluster golf story that was skipped for adaptation. It just gained an adaptation. So footage is plenty. Its a topic that should be analyzed.
I am going to say or in this case write it I remember High School of The Dead. I remember the twisted egomaniacal teacher they escape from and some saving the little girl. I remember Takashi's bad ass moment at the gas station when he saves Rei. I remember and I thought it was great show with a lot going for it but sadly the writer of the manga passes away before he could finish it.
Does anyone else here remember the cinnamon challenge? 21:30 also somehow Mr. Tomino has described my problem with the current lesbian online dating scene, like girl, it’s 2024 not the 1700’s you can stop with the pining and yearning. We are capable of stuff that definitely wouldn’t fit in in a Jane Austin novel here.
"I'd rather be upset with a piece of art, than feel nothing after finishing it." True words my friend. The opposite of a great show isn't a bad show, but a boring one.
Fan service is fine as long as it done right. Too much over saturation of one thing is not good for any thing... i grew in time when you had anime like Robotech, Speed Racer, Tranzor Z, Gundam ect. I see the change. Just like music.. there is lot same old recycled crap out there.. aka junk in my opinion. I like substance in my anime.
Like most complaints about how the past was better then the present this is based on selective memory. In 90s and early 2000s Anime the stuff that stood out is mostly call people remember, especially in the West where back then a lot less stuff got localized to begin with. And yet even though you know a few shows from back then you consider as stale and tame as all this modern Harem you don't like. In Another World With my Smartphone is a very memorable to me, it was clearly was too many, getting a second season 6 years later is not common. I've talked about it a lot on my Blog most recently in one about how it's still the best Poly representation in Anime. OreImo did not start the Incest trend, it wasn't even the only Incest show airing that season. But what really amazes me is how the narrative that it started this trend continues even though the existence of that already being a thing is literally part of the premise from episode 1.
It's been a minute since I've seen Wicked City, that ova was nuts. But I do want to see more unique series that handles themes and topics in a mature and serious way in a way eva did.
I'm sorry to say that, but Interviews with Monster Girls is not really a fanservice series and it's especially not a copy of Monster Musume or similar shows. It's strong exploration of living with disabilities and what we, as society, should do to accommodate needs of such people, by using supernatural characters' special traits as allegory for people with disabilities. It barely has any fanservice (and pretty much all of it is thankfully provided by female teacher succubus, not by students).
Simply we liked it as a kid, so when it became our turn to draw, we simply drew what we liked in the past. Which is why the trends seemed like everybody is copying and how there's gaps between trends. The audience are literally aging into their roles and drawing old and new stuff causing this loop. I don't think this is because they are lazy. Anyone lazy couldn't draw so well and get an Anime made.
As a person who does not really get anything out of anime fanservice, I really did not enjoy Konosuba. This might be less noticeable to people who enjoy the kind of titillation it focusses on, but even when it is focusing on situations that are entirely non-sexual, its framing of those situations is extremely leery, and that sort of framing is ubiquitous throughout the show. While that, on its own, isn't a good or bad thing, its a missed opportunity for the show from doing something interesting with its directing or character designs. It also made Darkness's overt sexuality more tiring than refreshing, given that the show had already been shoving that kind of content in my face from the start.
To be fair... Fanservice can be quite shady... Uhm... yeah? When it is grown up adult males loving underaged girls with no own agenda? Bru, the trope is called "born saxy yesterday". And the reverse is also true. No adult women should groom underaged boys! I know it is fiction, but there is a trend here we should keep our eyes on.
Prison school was tye peak fanservice becuase it not only titillated the audience, gives character moments, and pushes the plot forward. Also fan service shows are designed by committe instead of some weirdo savant.
I actually started reading Love Hina because I found the Newgrounds Dating Sim Game first and was curious about the source material. It was my first manga and so holds a special place to me, but I know it's not the best. On the topic of sexual fanservice, though, I do think it has gotten really egregious. There's a few manga I read for its fanservice, but there's been a couple where it's just excessive.
Even though i am not christian, in the name of ✝️, those little sister anime,s didn,t had any actual fanservice on the little sister right, it was just all outrageous wordplay right???? I mean, i remember eromamga sensei was banned in australia,so ...i am probably gonna be wrong but.... But how is this genre of little sis/bro so prevalent even though its supposed to be well risky & dangerous, you know why ,then how are there things like this known pretty easily by general public. And well i don.t think this genre should be developed, i don,t know what might come from this unholiness
Elfin lied I used to have fun times talking with the main character English voice actress on Twitter. But then people started harassing her. Also turns out the person who worked on Elfin lied also worked on queen’s blade the evil eye the more you know.
Chobits was my first non-kid anime. It was about 2010, I was 9 years old and just about to discover boobs. My brother told me not to watch it as I was scrolling through Netflix's catalogue, thus I had to do it. He made me into the filthy weeb I am today ✊ I then went on to watch Girls Bravo as my second one 🔥
If you wanna see a mid '00s shoujo isekai about a boy becoming the demon king and getting a harem, check out Kyou Kara Maoh! (King From Now On.) It's not perfect, (in fact I personally I prefer the manga and light novels,) but it's such a wild take on the genre in relation to everything that's ever come out since. It's definitely the kind of series you want to make fun of with a friend, but it's got more *balls* than any other isekai harem that's ever come out since.
@@agramuglia I tried checking it out again after a few decades, and I was kind of floored by how refreshingly blatant it was. - There's a scene where a drag queen beats up a New York cop and says that cops aren't welcome at Pride. - The main character accidentally gets engaged to another man and no one but him comments on it. He gets over it. - He and his male fiance adopt a daughter together. - One of the side characters is Black and drawn with normal human lips, and he's also an otaku and a doctor rather than a stereotype. There's stuff there I'd be surprised to see in any show period, regardless of the country of origin. To see it in a mid '00s isekai anime from before gay marriage was fully legal basically anywhere was a knock to the senses. (Also, it turns out that show was super popular in Japan. It had two video games and a few stage plays. It had its own radio show.)
Favorite example of bandwagon behavior, mon musu Exploded in popularity with its Monster girl twist And for a while we saw that Almost every bit of fan service for a while had a cast of women Where a plain vanilla straight up just a human was the token minority Character. Kinda like how dears followed chobits a year later.
I can compare this with some of the webcomics I'm still reading after years, like El Goonish Shive and GrrlPower. Both have very clear hornry elements. EGS with it's constant gender bending and transformation, but ironically the author has kept certain boundaries up specifically BECAUSE these characters are largely minors. But at the same time, the fanservice/kink stuff is often just an AVENUE by which these characters explore their feelings of both who they want to be with AND who they want to BE. GrrlPower can be a bit more shameless in the fanservice AT TIMES (hell, one of the patreon perks is getting full nude versions of the monthly vote reward), but it has a wacky super hero comic going on as the majority of pages. It even pokes fun at itself, like where a non-powered military woman has to stop for a moment on the facility tour to explain to the new recruit that "No one knows why, but all supers just LOOK LIKE THAT. You need to acknowledge this or it WILL give you a complex" as part of why every character looks like a god damn Greek God/dess. But it also has some actual sex in the plot, not overly voyeuristic (and as often setup for a joke), but everyone in the plot is an adult and not beholden to anyone (outside of one "sex for a favor" which WAS done by a villain). And this is definitely not just anime. "Everyone's hot, no one is horny" has been a Hollywood criticism for a while which, while slightly different in tenor, does feel like something connected. But after seeing Poor Things getting so much love, and actually just seeing Argylle which has it's own share of sexy zaniness, and a handful of others that managed to have some brand of overt sexiness (Bottoms, Freelance, Cyrano, Babylon, Three Thousand Years of Longing), that Hollywood is still CAPABLE of doing weird+horny.
You awakened my early teenage memories of watching Dears and Infinite Stratos late at night and being very disappointed by the end of each series. Solid video though, good points, and I think those early experiences are what leads me to love shows like Eva and such. At this point in my 20's, simple sexual attraction often decides between what anime I watch as of late even if it's between shows like Jujutsu Kaisen or Great Pretender or rewatching Gurren Laggan for the 4th time, each non-romantic shows, so I think this is honestly like an important topic to critique for the wider anime landscape. Good vid :)
Honestly with all the repitive predictable fanservice tropes,it would be more surprising to show young girl dressed modestly like a Hijab (there is a tiny Muslim community in Japan)
It's interesting you brought up dungeon meshi as a show that doesn't have fanservice. I'm a bit late to this conversation, so by now anime-onlies will know this too, but dungeon meshi gets very horny at times. Many people just don't recognise this (this was an entire discussion on tumblr when the anime wasn't out yet) because they're so used to "fanservice" meaning boring samey ahegao faced elves with big boobs and butts. Whereas dungeon meshi's eroticism is _genuine_, and often very uncomfortable. It hits all the things you complimented in this video. Monster girls, uncomfortable sexual scenarios, an adult cast, fanservice as spice tied into the plot, etc. It's a good show.
Well! That was a fun watch. Honestly we were expecting it to dive more into the relationship of Japan becoming more socially conservative in the late 80s and mid 90s to this as ultimately the way it handles fan service gets more conservative at roughly the same rate.
The problem there is that it's very hard to draw a correlation between the general politics of a country and the behavior of individual artists. It's easier to make an argument focused on how companies are capitalizing on trends that have been proven to work.
So there's one series I've liked for a long time that I feel pushed the envelope. So much so, that it's still unpleasant when compared to its contemporaries. However, I haven't done proper research so what I say is based on chatter amongst current fans of dating sims targeted at girls. This series is called Diabolik Lovers (dumb name I know). It's a reverse harem that glorifies principles of sadism and masochism. The source material is an otome that, for the most part, doesn't attempt to have the main characters fall in love. There's something so trashy about it, I mean the first scene involving the protagonist and one of the men has her pinned down and told "I'm going to take you of course". And the dialogue remains that crazy throughout. Each of the characters are so extreme that it's hilarious summarizing their stories while remembering how tasteless the depiction of them is. And yet, there's something captivating about this ridiculous thing. The visual novels become more tame as they go on and the characters go through journeys to overcome their traumatic pasts. It's so many things at once. I could never recommend it though, it's my guiltiest pleasure lol
ill never forget watching to love ru and being so frustrated that the story kept getting derailed because i had no idea the intention was just to be fanservice, the good storytelling literally blinded be from the fact that this show was supposed to be jerkbait 😂
Your arguments are based on selective memory and subtle bias to some degree which your own video all but admits to. All the shows you really praise from over 20 years ago have modern equivalents you don't seem aware of or that you write off possibly just because of your age and tastes now compared to when you were younger (you do seem to acknowledge this to be fair to some degree). Mushoku Tensei which you show a shot of you clearly haven't watched much of or you would have to acknowledge how it seems to argue against you to some degree at least especially when it comes to character writing. Most of your problems are just you being mad at the fact that the volume of anime is so much higher now so more of it is middle of the road just by the nature of statistics. Yet you don't seem to realize that should be your actual thesis. Case in point: you clearly mention a good number of shows from the last 10ish years that you still consider really good whereas you barely mentioned many more titles from the 2000s or older as good by comparison. One of those periods has nearly 10 times the number of anime you can watch compared to the other and it isn't the pre 2010s. And I think it's a lot more important to acknowledge how shows are actually better at tackling a lot of substantive subjects more recently that are at least fan service adjacent. Compare how many animes actually deal with characters in relationships having sex, hell even SAO itself helped to make it more mainstream. Harem anime in the 90s and older don't even touch that subject basically at all. Yuri shows are way better and more represented in recent anime. Gundam saw to that. Polyamory is clearly having a moment in anime, especially as of last week. You really do sound a bit too much like old man yelling at cloud.
Heh, I got my friend into Oreimo and he was almost ashamed (as was I, as we should have been to keep up with it weekly at the time) because it was such a damn disaster that you couldn't look away. Fun to see that wasn't just us. However, I did notice the uptick in incest stories around the time e.g. ImoCho and OniAi, and how little they really did. Never really thought about the timeline on Cutie Honey, but I did know Go Nagai was considered one of the pioneers of fan service in general. I know you are focusing on anime more specifically here, but I think that comes to a head with Kekko Kamen where it's parody of Kamen Rider with a suggestive twist and twisted further in self awareness. It's funny to bring up MGX as well (probably one of my favorite series), because I never really thought about the fan service much in that one, so much as how well the story portrayed the characters and their relationship and the growth thereof over time (even though in hind sight there is actually a decent amount of fan service). It goes right into your points about fan service taking a back seat to the plot, and especially in something so heavily focused on romance proper, it feels less forced and meaningful. Really enjoying your insights, can't wait to see what you talk about next. (I'll take another extended video about Elfen Lied. Tho I think I still have to finish hazel's take too... It really was everywhere in its time and it was something that probably either set expectations or absolutely broke them depending on where you were when you initially watched it.) P.S. A few audio cuts were a little unnaturally fast to start up again or possibly even had slight overlap. Easy example I just caught is at approximately 24:51-24:53. I know it's nitpicking but it's just something you might like pointed out for potential improvement!
Doing this analysis on anime sounds pointless because it's not a self suficient medium. Of those 60 seasonal titles you get like 10-30 amateur webnovel adaptations and 20-40 manga adaptations. Anime rarely does something intentional about itself. SAO showed the money on webnovels so Narou got funding and the isekai musou with huge titles boom resulted in the production conditions it set up. The overworked to dead fantasy retirement is a result of amateur salarymen writing what they knew, and teens with too much free time imitating them poorly. The anime industry had no say on those stories and they botch up to 20 adaptations a year maybe as a quiet revolt or maybe because they don't get the appeal. Anime by design has been trying to catch up with the industry shakers since the crash in the 90's. It's too expensive to experiment on animation when people will do it for free on webnovels and pixiv.
I completely agree. To be honest, I think fanservice of these older anime ovas also had a different purpose. Wicked City is basically a HR Giger esque horror without HR Giger directly being involved. There, the sex and gore stuff was more in the vein of Aliens type of Horror. Or like films like Tetsuo the Iron Man. Some Nudity in the Macross movie and that sex scene in the second Megazone 23 movie should basically show a moment of closeness in dire situations. And for example, Eve Tokimatsuri being nude in the third Megazone 23 was probably meant to symbolize that she was basically an otherworldly being. (Eve was basically the godess of the city, symbolically.) In Evangelion, nudity was often again rather the otherworldly stuff again or a sign of vulnerability/trauma. Today, many of the modern fanservice stuff is more like an incels escape from his harsh reality.
I don’t really see like that, if they want real fanservice there’s literally Hentai for the more risqué stuff, the fanservice now in some Anime’s is just so watered down and tame to the point why even put it in the Anime to begin with and I’m talking mainly about Shonen’s and Isekai’s, lately only two pure fanservice Anime’s have gotten some buzz which is 100 girlfriends and the Magical girl show which I forgot the name but anyway it doesn’t matter they got attention as both are comedies their actually enjoyable. I feel that if it was for (quote unquote) incels escape then a lot of these Fanservice Anime’s would have a lot more success then they get (Because let’s be honest super horny people I’ll call them “I hate modern buzz words” would be no doubt wanting more of that Fanservice Anime they wouldn’t let that Anime die out like the thousands of Ecchi Anime’s that have as 90% of them only have one season or 12 episodes being lucky to get s season 2. As a lot of purely fanservice Anime’s die out pretty damn quickly losing all traction because they become boring after a while unless they are the ones that have more to them like a story or is a comedy etc Kill La Kill and 100 girlfriends respectively.
Have you watched the anime "Fairy Ranmaru"? It has a lot of hentai-like fanservice you'd expect to see happening to women, except its mainly men being oversexualized. It's fun!
Great analogy, Code Geass is like one of my favorite fan service shows, mostly because of that cockpit design, it's such a small part of the show, it's not even close in fan service magnitude compared to many other shows, yet somehow it's one of the most hot to watch. It's just like spice in food, you gotta hit that perfect balance. In the case of waifu fan service, my thinking is you have to strike the balance between having a very well realized and likable character, and then show some of her fan service. If you show too much fan service you compromise the characterization, if I don't care about the character then no amount of fan service will matter. But if you go too hard the other way with not enough fan service, she does not maximize the sexual appeal. I just recently found this older show Cross Ange, it's likle Gundam Seed +Macross +Muv-Luv +AOT, and with a HEAVY dose of fan service. Every fan service opportunity is like exploited to the maximum degree possible, yet miraculously, the show is never distracted by the fan service. They only exploit the fan service opportunities, they do not create them without a good narrative reason. In comparison, modern Isekai trash where entire characters can exist just to fill some waifu archetype but serve no narrative purpose.
Great video. I like fanservice, but I do agree that modern shows do copy off each other, but I like to compare to see which ones are better and stand out more. Tench Muyo was my first encounter of a harem and it's one of the GOATs (if not THE GOAT) in that category. Also, glad you brought up Ai Yori Aoshi. Great anime. I like how you contrast between that and Love Hina. Also, KEIJO!! mention 👍🏾 Also, YES. Make a video about Elfen Lied.
As far as modern fanservice anime goes, Kill la Kill is my personal gold standard. Like, at first the fanservice is very tropey and by the numbers, with the main character getting stronger by doing the magical girl transformation and showing off more skin. But there's a moment fairly early on that really stuck out to me, when main character Ryuko is foing battle with the then main antagonist Satsuki who does the same transformation. Up until this point, Ryuko has been embarrassed by the battle bikini look, and that has been explicitly holding her back in fights, while Satsuki has no such issue. When pressed on the matter, Satsuki responds "If it means gaining the power of need to achieve my dreams, I would gladly bare my breasts to the world." That was the first hint that there was more to the show than just wacky Gainax hijinks with magical girl tropes, and indeed the show tsckles stuff like how society judges people based on appearances, how capitalism grinds people down into food for the ever consuming machine, history of trauma and sexual abuse, and how bonds of blood are more fragile than the family you chose, all done in the same boisterous irreverent tone that was present in TTGL, begging you to not look beneath the surface where all the real meat of the series really is. It is both a celebration of and condemnation of aspects of fanservice in ways that feel thoughtful in ways I was not expecting.
Kill la Kill is so brilliant that I genuinely regret not including it in the video. But if I started deconstructing how Kill la Kill explores fan service, the video would be an hour.
@@agramugliaand that’s an issue because? (Yes I know it would multiply your work load, so I know what that’s an issue, but if you were to, we’d all watch)
Honestly another show that needs to be brought up when talking about when dubs are superior to subs. The show was inherently trashy and often dumb to begin with, the dub just embraces it.
The constant barrage of "fan service" is a big part of why I basically stopped watching anime for years. To me, it usually just feels like the creators don't respect their female characters or their audience, and that's a great way to kill my interest.
I did torrent Bodacious Space Pirates (what felt like a wonderful exception at the time), and later watched Dragon Ball Super... because it's Dragon Ball... despite its occasionally uncomfortable focus on Bulma's body. Then Crunchyroll drew me back in with My Life as a Villainess, and after season 2 one show just cascaded into the next: Gundam TWFM, Spy X Family, Do It Yourself!!, Bocchi the Rock!, Birdie Wing, Trigun Stampede, MagiRevo, I'm in Love with the Villainess (which I was already reading), and most recently Frieren and Delicious in Dungeon. There were some others, too, but most of them I had mixed feelings about. Plus, I stumbled upon a few shows that'd already been out a while that I truly enjoyed, like Otherside Picnic.
What Anime’s and which genre’s were you watching because sounds like you were only watching Fanservice Anime’s like Ecchi, because mainly there isn’t that much Fanservice in the other genres like that.
@@Sage-H26 I don't even know. I think I watched mainly based on recommendations, and maybe I just got bad ones. Even today it's definitely present to some extent in a lot of shōnen. Maybe not a lot of it, but enough to make me back off.
@@JediMB Well let me ask this are we talking about Shonen, because you did say over barrage now with Ecchi Anime the Fanservice is the point of those kinds of Anime, but are we talking about the other ones like Shonen or Isekai where their trying to tell a story where the Fanservice is over taking it.
@@JediMB The only reason I’m asking is because I do agree that when a story is being told Shonen especially some of the older ones don’t know how to balance the Fanservice at times like for example Fire Force and Fairy Tail where it doesn’t really fit the scene where it happens in or will destroy the tension an intense moment had in Fairy Tail and especially Fire Force.
One of my favorite artists on Pixiv is drawing VTuber girls, but in a bit softer fashion. I myself enjoy the unusual kind of fanservice, both creating and consuming. It's more challenging and interesting than just drawing the same old stuff everyone else does. Also I sense a massive lack of "I want your molt", or whatever the lizard girl manga's name was.
Artists online are the real champions here, especially the ones who draw diverse character designs. It's amazing the hard work they put into their projects, and I always love seeing it when they become successful.
W video bro you got a new subscriber like damn even beside the actual video itself (the points and story of the video) I really love this and the other I just watched from you, the one about dubs, and I gotta say just the aesthetic is really great and kind of nostalgic. The biggest point being the flow you create with your voice, music choice, and editing style. I don't mean this in a rude way, really, but I want to be honest in saying you sound like you haven't been doing this for a while or any type of voice work for that matter, which is a good thing tho! Unlike how a lot of youtubers intentionally or moreso unintentionally put on a voice for others to hear and respond well too, I find your voice in this and the other video I watched to be very, how do I put it? Scraggily? Shaken? Pussy-Footed? (wow I really can't think of good words rn) But like I said I found it very pleasant to listen to, I would describe it to being similar to the stylings of freestyle solo's in old Bebop tapes.The only thing I didn't like, tho I don't type this to be mean or as an insult in anyway were the clips you used like bro them bitches was loud ahh hell 😭 tho of course I only make this comment to offer another perspective of watching your video. Not that I think you need one but it's certainly here for anyone to read. I don't mean anything rude in regards to the creator of the video or the video itself, I rather enjoyed the video quite a lot actually, more than most even.
If an Anime gives me fanservice of female AND male characters, okay fine go at it. But because most of fanservice animes are not made this way. (Not even to speak about most of the characters being underage and are maybe baiting with gross lolicon garbage and incest bait) and even more so if the camera is trying to catch the fanservice Characters in any non con angle possible... Yeah f that. Im not watching that utter trash 😂😂😂
I think ultimately the desire for more extreme fan service or fan service to be used as a spice is fair. I'm a fair bit away from the horny teen I was some years back. In my 20s now I'm not really seeking anything in particular with my fan service nor am I ever on the hunt for any ecchi series. Just that I usually don't seek it out if its either not caught my interest or has something else to offer. The former is usually just based on my personal preferences. This new Magical show airing this season and one about a dude that turns into a monster as a slave thing are hitting the former category for me. Albeit they have nice fights too. On the topic of shoujo. I don't really like em' in how they depict relationships either. Way too ideallic in most of my experiences or just riddled with annoying ridiculous drama. I often find the drama that's meant to draw away from the idea of it being ideallic is just there for spice and not genuine substance. A lot of shoujo for me just end up doing an uno reverse on annoying romcom anime with male MCs. The romance in shoujo can do the work to make me care for the characters, but it's Disney princess kinda love for me and not usually in a good way. Just dragged out a lot more (Like, at least they get married in like an hour and a half with those. I gotta sit on 50+ chapters to get some consesual hand holding if I'm lucky). It is what it is at the end of the day. I guess they just ain't for me. In time I'll try more shoujo. "Orange" is so far the best one I've seen, but the time travel stuff loses it's sauce in the final stretches. Ah, final thing. You should read Onani Master Kurosawa. Read it back in 2020 and loved it. Touches on the stuff in this video. Edit: Redo of Healer is an odd case. As, while it does in fact carry many negatives talked about in that segment it is mainly predominantly filled with a female reader base. Despite the manga also being quite brutal and extreme in hiw it treats women. Its a revenge rape fantasy story too. So I feel like there's more to say on the kinds of fan service women want or seek out as well.
I read many comments about you covering Elfen Lied, as if they are expecting you to praise that series. But in my opinion, it was never that good. In fact, I dare to say it's a terrible story that has aged like milk. It's just a simple message of tolerance that's missing behind tons of gore, naked girls, childhood trauma, rape and everything edgy teenagers in the early 2000's believed was mature.
Also queen’s blade had a crossover with high school of the dead a few weeks back on the browser game queen’s blade likes to explore nihilistic villains so of course in the crossover they fight a Saturday morning cartoon villain.
-You've become desensitized, all non-hentai fanservice is going to look dull when compared to Wicked City or Toshio Maeda's work -Would you rather have modern day harem anime be a bunch of Tenchi clones? (because I would, that would be far more interesting) -The original Rosario + Vampire manga was more of a generic action Shonen Jump manga with harem undertones (comparing it to Dragon Maid and Monster Musume is inane) -Most otaku who watch fan servicey anime watch it because it arouses them, not because it's interesting or for the plot (and most otaku don't want shocking, upsetting, unpleasant, disturbing but meaningful and intimacy) -100 Girlfriends is supposed to be a comical satire of the harem genre (I think) -Lum was more violent/abusive (would you be okay with Naru using a cattle prod?) -The intended demo watches it for the trash factor -Slavery isn't that weird wish fulfilment in my view (if you let women choose, they'd probably prefer someone who isn't an otaku) or wanting teenage girls for that matter -Giving a girl long ears, a reptilian tail or the lower half of a horse or spider isn't very creative in my view (but some otaku are desperate for female designs that break the mold) -Unfortunately (for you) most Japanese Otaku (or the ones that are most likely to spend it on merch) want to just mindlessly consume fanservice and want to the be main plot instead of just the spice
I actually cut out a whole segment on Yuri on Ice because i started going on about how, if they wanted to include more fanservice for women, they would have had more dad-bod Yuri shots. I realized though that might have been a weird tangent to go on.
I am surprised you know these anime shows. All of these i watch when i was a teenage. It crazy that i went back on my childhood but you know i was a big fan for Dragonball Z, Sailor Moon and Gundam. And I Call them Legend anime. Now if i want to watch anime they must have these traits. But then when i watch Tenchi Muyo i started to like fan service anime and harem anime so yeah this video really give me great vibe when i feel down. Thank you on making this video.
It's also really great to have a critical view on fanservice rather than just "all fanservice bad, it makes me uncomfortable" not that it's invalid to feel uncomfortable with a lot of fanservice, it's just not great media literacy.
Having someone explore and explain the history has made me gain a lot respect for the origins of fanservice, and an understanding as to why it's all so similar and boring now, it's almost the "safe" thing to create.
I'm glad to see you mentioned Interspecies Reviewers as an example of GOOD fanservice, it may honestly be my favorite anime of the 2020's.
Speaking as a woman, I really appreciated the fanservice in My Dress Up Darling.
Marin Kitagawa only ever shows off her body to the one guy she had a thing for. She's always in complete control of her body and the camera. She keeps her agency the entire time.
Agree 100%. I also love how much attention the show puts on her just being so damn happy about her cosplay. It shows enthusiasm, which is so important with any sexual stuff.
@@agramugliaThe fact that My Dress Up Darling's creator is a woman who based Marin off herself helps a lot. It's clearly an irl cosplayer having fun with vaguely bisexual vibes.
Like, the love hotel scene was soooo spicy without them even doing anything, and that shit slapped harder than actual sex scenes that year (2022)
Honestly a great way for people to stop complaining about fanservice shows is for the fanservice to be consensual between the characters, like in 100 Girlfriends, Hokkaido Gals, or even non-harem shows like Metallic Rouge (which is scifi mystery action more than it is about fanservice).
It's a bit ironic considering that most Redo of healer manga readers in Japan are female, the duality of a woman I guess...
I think it comes down to the role of voyeurism. In so much fan service, the characters themselves seem to have no sexual feelings. They are entirely desexuallzed. However, the camera makes darn sure that we view them in a sexual way. We see their breasts, thighs, even panties center frame, while the character herself is presented as super awkward or some fake version of "wholesome."
Marin is different. She knows exactly how good she looks, and she loves it.
@@agramugliaagreed. I love her cosplay and outfits. There is a reason why I see people drawing her in cute outfits
Basically I need my fanservice with something and you did a good job explaining it.
Before 100 girlfriends, the last good fanservice show I saw was Interspecies Reviewers. Sucks Sony forced Funimation to drop it.
You don't see many sex positive anime like Interspecies Reviewers. A shame.
@@sethimothyfor real
That's ecchi was great because it had fun characters and is hilarious
The first furry ecchi to ever live (I could be missing something but it felt like the first to me)
Interspecies revierwer is the most boundery pushing anime ever made
As a person in my 30’s, I feel very heard with this essay, Ant. I remember always coming up with excuses for my interest in some of these fan service elements in my anime, at points creating my own self persecution complex that I need to examine narrative to justify certain elements. Yet, now when I get a glimpse of current running shows, I’m often filled in on the premise and gimmick, only to often be disappointed when nothing more is explored.
I hate being that old guy in the room yelling at clouds about how the kids these days are missing out on what was good back in the day, and I often have an open mind to new trends painting over my nostalgic.
But modern harem is both oversaturated and has less sticking power to the canvas. It just makes me sad to see my 80’s big boob, big haired, loud and proud women just be defaced by some whiny gatekeepers goo.
I don’t expect that era to return, at least not in the time capsule it was buried under, but I do hope those current outliers are seen more, and stories and sex make better partners, than strange bedfellows after a one night stand.
Also in my 30s, and came to say the same thing. Well said. When I see what's hot and recommended on services like Crunchyroll, I'm just reminded that I'm not part of the target audience anymore, and I have to work a little harder to find something that suits my taste. I'm just grateful that we have better means to discover and acquire older and out-of-season shows than we did in years past. I grew up in the "You'll take what you get on Toonami and Adult Swim and deal with it" era, so to be able to watch good anime from years ago is something I don't take for granted.
Interspecies Reviewers was so good I read the manga. Real shame that the anime got dropped. I love how sex positive it is and goes over how different people like different things. One would expect an anime/manga that centers on reviewing and rating sexual encounters to have a hard streak of objectification and meanness about it yet it centers around joy, celebrating differences, tolerance, and has a few touching love stories. It even challenges you by going "hey this is gross, right?" and then completely immerses you in the opposite perspective. 10/10
I also love 100 Girlfriends since its mostly wholesome but the age gap stuff is creepy. And theres some ick moments in the manga. However I can also understand being young and wanting the older hot milf, college girl, or ethics teacher (incidentally they are my favorites and still would have been when I was in high school). One small adjustment I'd make is to add a few of those "this is a joke/fantasy. Dont actually do this/this person is wrong" notations that they do sometimes. 9.5/10
My Dress Up Darling is just a wonderfully wholesome romance with some kick to it. I do like how it somewhat challenges fan service in that it literally gives you Gojo's perspective and goes showing skin is not solely sexual, put that aspect of showing skin aside, there is a job to be done here. 10/10
Some of the anime mentioned I had little interest in ever watching but have now been filed under "never watch."
This video gave a great perspective on the subject. 10/10
Everything about Interspecies Reviewers is just so special, and you can tell it was made with complete love, and that's what we need more of.
Your comment about watching a shojo and a fan servicey shonen back to back reminded me of when my college’s anime club played Love Hina and Gravitation back to back, now that was an amusing contrast.
Utena is here to make a difference with her whip. I'm on the edge of my seat to hear the uncensored audio on the BR release. How much did they push the envelope or is it just marketing? After six episodes I'm leaning towards the first possibility.
Tenchi Muyo was one of the most important anime of my life. It was the one I used to introduce my late spouse to anime and our shared viewings of it were high points in our relationship.
Interesting to me that you don't even mention Kill La Kill, a fanservice anime that's so essayed about, it kinda feels wrong to not bring up.
Kill la Kill walks a really fine line between parody and being what it purports to parody. Years later, I'm still not sure what to make of it.
@@Kakaze1 Kill la Kill satirizes and plays with a bunch of tropes, but at the end of the day, I do feel it's earnest in what it's portraying. It's like how One Punch Man being a parody of X or Y doesn't make it any less of an action superhero shounen manga.
Please do make an Elfen Lied vid. I’ve been trying to come to terms with my relationship with that series now that I’m in my 20’s and I watched it as a 13 year old the summer before Freshman year of Highschool. I was so attached to the character Kaede (Lucy) and even now with my media perception has changed now being a film school graduate, I still find myself oddly drawn to the anime and lesser so the manga.
I dont remember much from watching Elfen Lied myself, what I do remember was my little sister at some point asking me about it.
She was probably 10 at the time, she had been looking for music on youtube, and "elfen lied" just translates to "elf song" in Dutch.
I am not sure what exactly she saw , but somehow I doubt it was appropriate for someone her age...
I'm halfway through, digging everything you're saying and it's making sense. I need to know your list! What to avoid and what to watch! Thanks!
Found your video in one of your tweets recommended to me on my news feed. Glad I discovered this channel, this is super underrated stuff.
Surprised this video did not criticize the fanservice being done on canonically underaged characters, which is the core problem non-anime fans have.
I mean, it does criticize it, albeit not directly
Do it as a follow-up. It would be interesting for younger characters have their arcs being diverted for poor taste. The seven-deadly sin artist had a lackluster golf story that was skipped for adaptation. It just gained an adaptation. So footage is plenty. Its a topic that should be analyzed.
I am going to say or in this case write it I remember High School of The Dead. I remember the twisted egomaniacal teacher they escape from and some saving the little girl. I remember Takashi's bad ass moment at the gas station when he saves Rei. I remember and I thought it was great show with a lot going for it but sadly the writer of the manga passes away before he could finish it.
Does anyone else here remember the cinnamon challenge?
21:30 also somehow Mr. Tomino has described my problem with the current lesbian online dating scene, like girl, it’s 2024 not the 1700’s you can stop with the pining and yearning. We are capable of stuff that definitely wouldn’t fit in in a Jane Austin novel here.
"I'd rather be upset with a piece of art, than feel nothing after finishing it." True words my friend. The opposite of a great show isn't a bad show, but a boring one.
Fan service is fine as long as it done right. Too much over saturation of one thing is not good for any thing... i grew in time when you had anime like Robotech, Speed Racer, Tranzor Z, Gundam ect. I see the change. Just like music.. there is lot same old recycled crap out there.. aka junk in my opinion. I like substance in my anime.
Like most complaints about how the past was better then the present this is based on selective memory. In 90s and early 2000s Anime the stuff that stood out is mostly call people remember, especially in the West where back then a lot less stuff got localized to begin with. And yet even though you know a few shows from back then you consider as stale and tame as all this modern Harem you don't like.
In Another World With my Smartphone is a very memorable to me, it was clearly was too many, getting a second season 6 years later is not common. I've talked about it a lot on my Blog most recently in one about how it's still the best Poly representation in Anime.
OreImo did not start the Incest trend, it wasn't even the only Incest show airing that season. But what really amazes me is how the narrative that it started this trend continues even though the existence of that already being a thing is literally part of the premise from episode 1.
The one two punch of referencing the trashy Love Hina dating Sim on Newgrounds and then GaiaOnline was like a full fromtal assault on my subconscious.
It's been a minute since I've seen Wicked City, that ova was nuts. But I do want to see more unique series that handles themes and topics in a mature and serious way in a way eva did.
I'm sorry to say that, but Interviews with Monster Girls is not really a fanservice series and it's especially not a copy of Monster Musume or similar shows. It's strong exploration of living with disabilities and what we, as society, should do to accommodate needs of such people, by using supernatural characters' special traits as allegory for people with disabilities.
It barely has any fanservice (and pretty much all of it is thankfully provided by female teacher succubus, not by students).
Simply we liked it as a kid, so when it became our turn to draw, we simply drew what we liked in the past.
Which is why the trends seemed like everybody is copying and how there's gaps between trends.
The audience are literally aging into their roles and drawing old and new stuff causing this loop.
I don't think this is because they are lazy.
Anyone lazy couldn't draw so well and get an Anime made.
As a person who does not really get anything out of anime fanservice, I really did not enjoy Konosuba. This might be less noticeable to people who enjoy the kind of titillation it focusses on, but even when it is focusing on situations that are entirely non-sexual, its framing of those situations is extremely leery, and that sort of framing is ubiquitous throughout the show. While that, on its own, isn't a good or bad thing, its a missed opportunity for the show from doing something interesting with its directing or character designs. It also made Darkness's overt sexuality more tiring than refreshing, given that the show had already been shoving that kind of content in my face from the start.
To be fair... Fanservice can be quite shady... Uhm... yeah? When it is grown up adult males loving underaged girls with no own agenda? Bru, the trope is called "born saxy yesterday". And the reverse is also true. No adult women should groom underaged boys! I know it is fiction, but there is a trend here we should keep our eyes on.
Heeey, it's the best writer of CBR now on youtube? I remember you from hanging out on Twitter, nice to see you on a slightly less toxic platform.
Prison school was tye peak fanservice becuase it not only titillated the audience, gives character moments, and pushes the plot forward.
Also fan service shows are designed by committe instead of some weirdo savant.
Thank you for mentioning hamefura, but also mentioning the uncomfortableness of fanservice and fanservice of minors
Please PLEASE do a video on Elfen Lied, that anime had a pretty big impact on me just because I saw it so young
2 things about Rosario Vampire:
1: the manga is 1000 times better than the anime
2: mizore is best girl
Yeah, agree on both points.
@@agramuglia rock on 🤘
Second one is a true statement. Haven't read the manga, but Season 1 of anime was...ok. Season 2 of the anime was baaaad!
Lol he is spitting facts.
I love both.
Please DO make an Elfen Lied video. I remember my mind being blown on the first ten minutes.
I actually started reading Love Hina because I found the Newgrounds Dating Sim Game first and was curious about the source material. It was my first manga and so holds a special place to me, but I know it's not the best.
On the topic of sexual fanservice, though, I do think it has gotten really egregious. There's a few manga I read for its fanservice, but there's been a couple where it's just excessive.
Sekirei is still one of my favorite shows.
Even though i am not christian, in the name of ✝️, those little sister anime,s didn,t had any actual fanservice on the little sister right, it was just all outrageous wordplay right????
I mean, i remember eromamga sensei was banned in australia,so ...i am probably gonna be wrong but....
But how is this genre of little sis/bro so prevalent even though its supposed to be well risky & dangerous, you know why ,then how are there things like this known pretty easily by general public.
And well i don.t think this genre should be developed, i don,t know what might come from this unholiness
That set of tapes that's mostly anime aimed at teen or adult audiences, a few actual hentai...and Challenge of the GoBots.
Just finished Beautiful Fighting Girl that book is a bit dated but this is very spot on
Elfin lied I used to have fun times talking with the main character English voice actress on Twitter. But then people started harassing her. Also turns out the person who worked on Elfin lied also worked on queen’s blade the evil eye the more you know.
I see what you mean with Isekai but woah don’t compare Shield Hero to something like Redo of Healer just no.
Chobits was my first non-kid anime. It was about 2010, I was 9 years old and just about to discover boobs. My brother told me not to watch it as I was scrolling through Netflix's catalogue, thus I had to do it. He made me into the filthy weeb I am today ✊
I then went on to watch Girls Bravo as my second one 🔥
If you wanna see a mid '00s shoujo isekai about a boy becoming the demon king and getting a harem, check out Kyou Kara Maoh! (King From Now On.) It's not perfect, (in fact I personally I prefer the manga and light novels,) but it's such a wild take on the genre in relation to everything that's ever come out since. It's definitely the kind of series you want to make fun of with a friend, but it's got more *balls* than any other isekai harem that's ever come out since.
Oh wow, just reading that name brought me back to AnimeNewsNetwork forums discussing that show as it aired...
@@agramuglia I tried checking it out again after a few decades, and I was kind of floored by how refreshingly blatant it was.
- There's a scene where a drag queen beats up a New York cop and says that cops aren't welcome at Pride.
- The main character accidentally gets engaged to another man and no one but him comments on it. He gets over it.
- He and his male fiance adopt a daughter together.
- One of the side characters is Black and drawn with normal human lips, and he's also an otaku and a doctor rather than a stereotype.
There's stuff there I'd be surprised to see in any show period, regardless of the country of origin. To see it in a mid '00s isekai anime from before gay marriage was fully legal basically anywhere was a knock to the senses. (Also, it turns out that show was super popular in Japan. It had two video games and a few stage plays. It had its own radio show.)
Favorite example of bandwagon behavior, mon musu Exploded in popularity with its Monster girl twist And for a while we saw that Almost every bit of fan service for a while had a cast of women Where a plain vanilla straight up just a human was the token minority Character. Kinda like how dears followed chobits a year later.
I can compare this with some of the webcomics I'm still reading after years, like El Goonish Shive and GrrlPower. Both have very clear hornry elements.
EGS with it's constant gender bending and transformation, but ironically the author has kept certain boundaries up specifically BECAUSE these characters are largely minors. But at the same time, the fanservice/kink stuff is often just an AVENUE by which these characters explore their feelings of both who they want to be with AND who they want to BE.
GrrlPower can be a bit more shameless in the fanservice AT TIMES (hell, one of the patreon perks is getting full nude versions of the monthly vote reward), but it has a wacky super hero comic going on as the majority of pages. It even pokes fun at itself, like where a non-powered military woman has to stop for a moment on the facility tour to explain to the new recruit that "No one knows why, but all supers just LOOK LIKE THAT. You need to acknowledge this or it WILL give you a complex" as part of why every character looks like a god damn Greek God/dess. But it also has some actual sex in the plot, not overly voyeuristic (and as often setup for a joke), but everyone in the plot is an adult and not beholden to anyone (outside of one "sex for a favor" which WAS done by a villain).
And this is definitely not just anime. "Everyone's hot, no one is horny" has been a Hollywood criticism for a while which, while slightly different in tenor, does feel like something connected. But after seeing Poor Things getting so much love, and actually just seeing Argylle which has it's own share of sexy zaniness, and a handful of others that managed to have some brand of overt sexiness (Bottoms, Freelance, Cyrano, Babylon, Three Thousand Years of Longing), that Hollywood is still CAPABLE of doing weird+horny.
You awakened my early teenage memories of watching Dears and Infinite Stratos late at night and being very disappointed by the end of each series. Solid video though, good points, and I think those early experiences are what leads me to love shows like Eva and such. At this point in my 20's, simple sexual attraction often decides between what anime I watch as of late even if it's between shows like Jujutsu Kaisen or Great Pretender or rewatching Gurren Laggan for the 4th time, each non-romantic shows, so I think this is honestly like an important topic to critique for the wider anime landscape. Good vid :)
Honestly with all the repitive predictable fanservice tropes,it would be more surprising to show young girl dressed modestly like a Hijab (there is a tiny Muslim community in Japan)
It's interesting you brought up dungeon meshi as a show that doesn't have fanservice. I'm a bit late to this conversation, so by now anime-onlies will know this too, but dungeon meshi gets very horny at times. Many people just don't recognise this (this was an entire discussion on tumblr when the anime wasn't out yet) because they're so used to "fanservice" meaning boring samey ahegao faced elves with big boobs and butts. Whereas dungeon meshi's eroticism is _genuine_, and often very uncomfortable. It hits all the things you complimented in this video. Monster girls, uncomfortable sexual scenarios, an adult cast, fanservice as spice tied into the plot, etc. It's a good show.
I haven't seen the show yet but what you said is interesting.
Interspecies Reviewers quickly becomes so insanely repetitive and uninventive tbh, the manga does at least
Well! That was a fun watch. Honestly we were expecting it to dive more into the relationship of Japan becoming more socially conservative in the late 80s and mid 90s to this as ultimately the way it handles fan service gets more conservative at roughly the same rate.
The problem there is that it's very hard to draw a correlation between the general politics of a country and the behavior of individual artists. It's easier to make an argument focused on how companies are capitalizing on trends that have been proven to work.
@@agramuglia that's fair
Bro I remembered that Love Hina dating sim! My anime progression was pretty much the same
So there's one series I've liked for a long time that I feel pushed the envelope. So much so, that it's still unpleasant when compared to its contemporaries. However, I haven't done proper research so what I say is based on chatter amongst current fans of dating sims targeted at girls.
This series is called Diabolik Lovers (dumb name I know). It's a reverse harem that glorifies principles of sadism and masochism. The source material is an otome that, for the most part, doesn't attempt to have the main characters fall in love. There's something so trashy about it, I mean the first scene involving the protagonist and one of the men has her pinned down and told "I'm going to take you of course". And the dialogue remains that crazy throughout. Each of the characters are so extreme that it's hilarious summarizing their stories while remembering how tasteless the depiction of them is. And yet, there's something captivating about this ridiculous thing. The visual novels become more tame as they go on and the characters go through journeys to overcome their traumatic pasts. It's so many things at once. I could never recommend it though, it's my guiltiest pleasure lol
So in other words... go watch Evangelion.
ill never forget watching to love ru and being so frustrated that the story kept getting derailed because i had no idea the intention was just to be fanservice, the good storytelling literally blinded be from the fact that this show was supposed to be jerkbait 😂
Your arguments are based on selective memory and subtle bias to some degree which your own video all but admits to. All the shows you really praise from over 20 years ago have modern equivalents you don't seem aware of or that you write off possibly just because of your age and tastes now compared to when you were younger (you do seem to acknowledge this to be fair to some degree). Mushoku Tensei which you show a shot of you clearly haven't watched much of or you would have to acknowledge how it seems to argue against you to some degree at least especially when it comes to character writing. Most of your problems are just you being mad at the fact that the volume of anime is so much higher now so more of it is middle of the road just by the nature of statistics. Yet you don't seem to realize that should be your actual thesis. Case in point: you clearly mention a good number of shows from the last 10ish years that you still consider really good whereas you barely mentioned many more titles from the 2000s or older as good by comparison. One of those periods has nearly 10 times the number of anime you can watch compared to the other and it isn't the pre 2010s.
And I think it's a lot more important to acknowledge how shows are actually better at tackling a lot of substantive subjects more recently that are at least fan service adjacent. Compare how many animes actually deal with characters in relationships having sex, hell even SAO itself helped to make it more mainstream. Harem anime in the 90s and older don't even touch that subject basically at all. Yuri shows are way better and more represented in recent anime. Gundam saw to that. Polyamory is clearly having a moment in anime, especially as of last week.
You really do sound a bit too much like old man yelling at cloud.
Complete agreement. Good work 🥰
Heh, I got my friend into Oreimo and he was almost ashamed (as was I, as we should have been to keep up with it weekly at the time) because it was such a damn disaster that you couldn't look away. Fun to see that wasn't just us. However, I did notice the uptick in incest stories around the time e.g. ImoCho and OniAi, and how little they really did.
Never really thought about the timeline on Cutie Honey, but I did know Go Nagai was considered one of the pioneers of fan service in general. I know you are focusing on anime more specifically here, but I think that comes to a head with Kekko Kamen where it's parody of Kamen Rider with a suggestive twist and twisted further in self awareness.
It's funny to bring up MGX as well (probably one of my favorite series), because I never really thought about the fan service much in that one, so much as how well the story portrayed the characters and their relationship and the growth thereof over time (even though in hind sight there is actually a decent amount of fan service). It goes right into your points about fan service taking a back seat to the plot, and especially in something so heavily focused on romance proper, it feels less forced and meaningful.
Really enjoying your insights, can't wait to see what you talk about next. (I'll take another extended video about Elfen Lied. Tho I think I still have to finish hazel's take too... It really was everywhere in its time and it was something that probably either set expectations or absolutely broke them depending on where you were when you initially watched it.)
P.S. A few audio cuts were a little unnaturally fast to start up again or possibly even had slight overlap. Easy example I just caught is at approximately 24:51-24:53. I know it's nitpicking but it's just something you might like pointed out for potential improvement!
Quick note: Kekko Kamen is actually a play on Gekko Kamen, a toku series from the 50s
Thank you! I'm not well versed in that genre at all, so I appreciate the correction.
Can you tell us why do you think oremio is bad ?
Doing this analysis on anime sounds pointless because it's not a self suficient medium. Of those 60 seasonal titles you get like 10-30 amateur webnovel adaptations and 20-40 manga adaptations. Anime rarely does something intentional about itself. SAO showed the money on webnovels so Narou got funding and the isekai musou with huge titles boom resulted in the production conditions it set up. The overworked to dead fantasy retirement is a result of amateur salarymen writing what they knew, and teens with too much free time imitating them poorly. The anime industry had no say on those stories and they botch up to 20 adaptations a year maybe as a quiet revolt or maybe because they don't get the appeal.
Anime by design has been trying to catch up with the industry shakers since the crash in the 90's. It's too expensive to experiment on animation when people will do it for free on webnovels and pixiv.
Kill la kill and shin Maou no testament is my top 2 ecchi i love the mcs so much fan service isn’t bad it’s there for goofs and laughs for me
It can be overdone though
I completely agree.
To be honest, I think fanservice of these older anime ovas also had a different purpose. Wicked City is basically a HR Giger esque horror without HR Giger directly being involved. There, the sex and gore stuff was more in the vein of Aliens type of Horror. Or like films like Tetsuo the Iron Man.
Some Nudity in the Macross movie and that sex scene in the second Megazone 23 movie should basically show a moment of closeness in dire situations.
And for example, Eve Tokimatsuri being nude in the third Megazone 23 was probably meant to symbolize that she was basically an otherworldly being. (Eve was basically the godess of the city, symbolically.)
In Evangelion, nudity was often again rather the otherworldly stuff again or a sign of vulnerability/trauma.
Today, many of the modern fanservice stuff is more like an incels escape from his harsh reality.
I don’t really see like that, if they want real fanservice there’s literally Hentai for the more risqué stuff, the fanservice now in some Anime’s is just so watered down and tame to the point why even put it in the Anime to begin with and I’m talking mainly about Shonen’s and Isekai’s, lately only two pure fanservice Anime’s have gotten some buzz which is 100 girlfriends and the Magical girl show which I forgot the name but anyway it doesn’t matter they got attention as both are comedies their actually enjoyable.
I feel that if it was for (quote unquote) incels escape then a lot of these Fanservice Anime’s would have a lot more success then they get (Because let’s be honest super horny people I’ll call them “I hate modern buzz words” would be no doubt wanting more of that Fanservice Anime they wouldn’t let that Anime die out like the thousands of Ecchi Anime’s that have as 90% of them only have one season or 12 episodes being lucky to get s season 2.
As a lot of purely fanservice Anime’s die out pretty damn quickly losing all traction because they become boring after a while unless they are the ones that have more to them like a story or is a comedy etc Kill La Kill and 100 girlfriends respectively.
@@Sage-H26 the fanservice isn't watered down lol
Eva fanservice has nothing to do whit trama. People always like to use trama as a excuse when it comes to this overrated anime.
@@INFERNO95 yep
DO NOT remind me of Urotsukidoji.
Can't wait until your essay on Kafka's most well known story.
The Trial or Metamorphos --
Oh.
Have you watched the anime "Fairy Ranmaru"? It has a lot of hentai-like fanservice you'd expect to see happening to women, except its mainly men being oversexualized. It's fun!
Great analogy, Code Geass is like one of my favorite fan service shows, mostly because of that cockpit design, it's such a small part of the show, it's not even close in fan service magnitude compared to many other shows, yet somehow it's one of the most hot to watch. It's just like spice in food, you gotta hit that perfect balance. In the case of waifu fan service, my thinking is you have to strike the balance between having a very well realized and likable character, and then show some of her fan service. If you show too much fan service you compromise the characterization, if I don't care about the character then no amount of fan service will matter. But if you go too hard the other way with not enough fan service, she does not maximize the sexual appeal.
I just recently found this older show Cross Ange, it's likle Gundam Seed +Macross +Muv-Luv +AOT, and with a HEAVY dose of fan service. Every fan service opportunity is like exploited to the maximum degree possible, yet miraculously, the show is never distracted by the fan service. They only exploit the fan service opportunities, they do not create them without a good narrative reason. In comparison, modern Isekai trash where entire characters can exist just to fill some waifu archetype but serve no narrative purpose.
Great video. I like fanservice, but I do agree that modern shows do copy off each other, but I like to compare to see which ones are better and stand out more.
Tench Muyo was my first encounter of a harem and it's one of the GOATs (if not THE GOAT) in that category. Also, glad you brought up Ai Yori Aoshi. Great anime. I like how you contrast between that and Love Hina. Also, KEIJO!! mention 👍🏾
Also, YES. Make a video about Elfen Lied.
please do elfen lied
As far as modern fanservice anime goes, Kill la Kill is my personal gold standard. Like, at first the fanservice is very tropey and by the numbers, with the main character getting stronger by doing the magical girl transformation and showing off more skin. But there's a moment fairly early on that really stuck out to me, when main character Ryuko is foing battle with the then main antagonist Satsuki who does the same transformation. Up until this point, Ryuko has been embarrassed by the battle bikini look, and that has been explicitly holding her back in fights, while Satsuki has no such issue. When pressed on the matter, Satsuki responds "If it means gaining the power of need to achieve my dreams, I would gladly bare my breasts to the world."
That was the first hint that there was more to the show than just wacky Gainax hijinks with magical girl tropes, and indeed the show tsckles stuff like how society judges people based on appearances, how capitalism grinds people down into food for the ever consuming machine, history of trauma and sexual abuse, and how bonds of blood are more fragile than the family you chose, all done in the same boisterous irreverent tone that was present in TTGL, begging you to not look beneath the surface where all the real meat of the series really is. It is both a celebration of and condemnation of aspects of fanservice in ways that feel thoughtful in ways I was not expecting.
Kill la Kill is so brilliant that I genuinely regret not including it in the video. But if I started deconstructing how Kill la Kill explores fan service, the video would be an hour.
Kill la Kill is brilliant.
@@agramugliaand that’s an issue because? (Yes I know it would multiply your work load, so I know what that’s an issue, but if you were to, we’d all watch)
@@myniko fair point. And I have wanted to revisit Kill la Kill anyway
I love both versions of Rosario Vampire.
Lol what
I think highschool dxd is top 2 behind my dress up darling
Honestly another show that needs to be brought up when talking about when dubs are superior to subs. The show was inherently trashy and often dumb to begin with, the dub just embraces it.
I think there is a difference between ecchi and harem
The constant barrage of "fan service" is a big part of why I basically stopped watching anime for years.
To me, it usually just feels like the creators don't respect their female characters or their audience, and that's a great way to kill my interest.
I did torrent Bodacious Space Pirates (what felt like a wonderful exception at the time), and later watched Dragon Ball Super... because it's Dragon Ball... despite its occasionally uncomfortable focus on Bulma's body.
Then Crunchyroll drew me back in with My Life as a Villainess, and after season 2 one show just cascaded into the next: Gundam TWFM, Spy X Family, Do It Yourself!!, Bocchi the Rock!, Birdie Wing, Trigun Stampede, MagiRevo, I'm in Love with the Villainess (which I was already reading), and most recently Frieren and Delicious in Dungeon.
There were some others, too, but most of them I had mixed feelings about.
Plus, I stumbled upon a few shows that'd already been out a while that I truly enjoyed, like Otherside Picnic.
What Anime’s and which genre’s were you watching because sounds like you were only watching Fanservice Anime’s like Ecchi, because mainly there isn’t that much Fanservice in the other genres like that.
@@Sage-H26 I don't even know. I think I watched mainly based on recommendations, and maybe I just got bad ones.
Even today it's definitely present to some extent in a lot of shōnen. Maybe not a lot of it, but enough to make me back off.
@@JediMB Well let me ask this are we talking about Shonen, because you did say over barrage now with Ecchi Anime the Fanservice is the point of those kinds of Anime, but are we talking about the other ones like Shonen or Isekai where their trying to tell a story where the Fanservice is over taking it.
@@JediMB The only reason I’m asking is because I do agree that when a story is being told Shonen especially some of the older ones don’t know how to balance the Fanservice at times like for example Fire Force and Fairy Tail where it doesn’t really fit the scene where it happens in or will destroy the tension an intense moment had in Fairy Tail and especially Fire Force.
As a asexual I’ve also had a natural feeling towards fan services.
One of my favorite artists on Pixiv is drawing VTuber girls, but in a bit softer fashion.
I myself enjoy the unusual kind of fanservice, both creating and consuming. It's more challenging and interesting than just drawing the same old stuff everyone else does.
Also I sense a massive lack of "I want your molt", or whatever the lizard girl manga's name was.
Artists online are the real champions here, especially the ones who draw diverse character designs. It's amazing the hard work they put into their projects, and I always love seeing it when they become successful.
@@agramugliatrue they’re like the only ones who can consistently draw big asses lmao
@@tyronechillifoot5573 in some cases, they're the only ones who try to
W video bro you got a new subscriber like damn even beside the actual video itself (the points and story of the video) I really love this and the other I just watched from you, the one about dubs, and I gotta say just the aesthetic is really great and kind of nostalgic. The biggest point being the flow you create with your voice, music choice, and editing style. I don't mean this in a rude way, really, but I want to be honest in saying you sound like you haven't been doing this for a while or any type of voice work for that matter, which is a good thing tho! Unlike how a lot of youtubers intentionally or moreso unintentionally put on a voice for others to hear and respond well too, I find your voice in this and the other video I watched to be very, how do I put it? Scraggily? Shaken? Pussy-Footed? (wow I really can't think of good words rn) But like I said I found it very pleasant to listen to, I would describe it to being similar to the stylings of freestyle solo's in old Bebop tapes.The only thing I didn't like, tho I don't type this to be mean or as an insult in anyway were the clips you used like bro them bitches was loud ahh hell 😭 tho of course I only make this comment to offer another perspective of watching your video. Not that I think you need one but it's certainly here for anyone to read. I don't mean anything rude in regards to the creator of the video or the video itself, I rather enjoyed the video quite a lot actually, more than most even.
No matter what you say One piece is the best Harem anime and manga ever and you can't convince me it's not and has the best Fan service ever
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If an Anime gives me fanservice of female AND male characters, okay fine go at it. But because most of fanservice animes are not made this way. (Not even to speak about most of the characters being underage and are maybe baiting with gross lolicon garbage and incest bait) and even more so if the camera is trying to catch the fanservice Characters in any non con angle possible... Yeah f that. Im not watching that utter trash 😂😂😂
What a snowflake clown
Oh yeah, Elfen Lied is an hour long video easy, do that
Dream hunter Ren the OVAs aren’t Hentai last checked…unless someone knows something I don’t.
It started as a hentai before rebranding
How did you miss Gushing Over Magical Girls?
I didn't miss it.
good show
Really great and informative video on this fun subject. Would love to hear your thoughts on Elfen Lied
i watched dxd and then senran kagura and honestly senran fanservice was better then dxd for me
Guess it helps one is based of a game franchise where fan service is one of it’s main selling point.
I think ultimately the desire for more extreme fan service or fan service to be used as a spice is fair. I'm a fair bit away from the horny teen I was some years back. In my 20s now I'm not really seeking anything in particular with my fan service nor am I ever on the hunt for any ecchi series. Just that I usually don't seek it out if its either not caught my interest or has something else to offer. The former is usually just based on my personal preferences.
This new Magical show airing this season and one about a dude that turns into a monster as a slave thing are hitting the former category for me. Albeit they have nice fights too.
On the topic of shoujo. I don't really like em' in how they depict relationships either. Way too ideallic in most of my experiences or just riddled with annoying ridiculous drama. I often find the drama that's meant to draw away from the idea of it being ideallic is just there for spice and not genuine substance. A lot of shoujo for me just end up doing an uno reverse on annoying romcom anime with male MCs. The romance in shoujo can do the work to make me care for the characters, but it's Disney princess kinda love for me and not usually in a good way. Just dragged out a lot more (Like, at least they get married in like an hour and a half with those. I gotta sit on 50+ chapters to get some consesual hand holding if I'm lucky). It is what it is at the end of the day. I guess they just ain't for me. In time I'll try more shoujo. "Orange" is so far the best one I've seen, but the time travel stuff loses it's sauce in the final stretches.
Ah, final thing. You should read Onani Master Kurosawa. Read it back in 2020 and loved it. Touches on the stuff in this video.
Edit: Redo of Healer is an odd case. As, while it does in fact carry many negatives talked about in that segment it is mainly predominantly filled with a female reader base. Despite the manga also being quite brutal and extreme in hiw it treats women. Its a revenge rape fantasy story too. So I feel like there's more to say on the kinds of fan service women want or seek out as well.
Most Shonen have good balance of fan service
Lol gaiaonline mentioned, lol that was my shiz.
TLDR; Shows that acknowledge the existence of human sexuality VS shows that obsess and make the point of their characters to be sexual objects?
Emphasis on the "objects" bit
i thought it was going to be another of billion videos of tourist complaining about fansersive, but i was pleasantly surprised , good stuff
I read many comments about you covering Elfen Lied, as if they are expecting you to praise that series. But in my opinion, it was never that good. In fact, I dare to say it's a terrible story that has aged like milk. It's just a simple message of tolerance that's missing behind tons of gore, naked girls, childhood trauma, rape and everything edgy teenagers in the early 2000's believed was mature.
>Remembers oh right I need to like it which I never do when watching on TV
>I am 69th Like
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Also queen’s blade had a crossover with high school of the dead a few weeks back on the browser game queen’s blade likes to explore nihilistic villains so of course in the crossover they fight a Saturday morning cartoon villain.
God Eiken was so trash
-You've become desensitized, all non-hentai fanservice is going to look dull when compared to Wicked City or Toshio Maeda's work
-Would you rather have modern day harem anime be a bunch of Tenchi clones? (because I would, that would be far more interesting)
-The original Rosario + Vampire manga was more of a generic action Shonen Jump manga with harem undertones (comparing it to Dragon Maid and Monster Musume is inane)
-Most otaku who watch fan servicey anime watch it because it arouses them, not because it's interesting or for the plot (and most otaku don't want shocking, upsetting, unpleasant, disturbing but meaningful and intimacy)
-100 Girlfriends is supposed to be a comical satire of the harem genre (I think)
-Lum was more violent/abusive (would you be okay with Naru using a cattle prod?)
-The intended demo watches it for the trash factor
-Slavery isn't that weird wish fulfilment in my view (if you let women choose, they'd probably prefer someone who isn't an otaku) or wanting teenage girls for that matter
-Giving a girl long ears, a reptilian tail or the lower half of a horse or spider isn't very creative in my view (but some otaku are desperate for female designs that break the mold)
-Unfortunately (for you) most Japanese Otaku (or the ones that are most likely to spend it on merch) want to just mindlessly consume fanservice and want to the be main plot instead of just the spice
“Just consume and don’t ask questions”
Agreed on everything
Tho, the Rosario vampire point is Cope, the manga plot sucks anyway
Watching because it gets your dick hard? Well that's shallow. You guys live to support mid and below average trash as that stuff doesn't sell.
there is no male fanservice 😂😢
I actually cut out a whole segment on Yuri on Ice because i started going on about how, if they wanted to include more fanservice for women, they would have had more dad-bod Yuri shots. I realized though that might have been a weird tangent to go on.
Blame MeTooMovement
....i mean, i dunno about that. Real assault is very different from fictional consensual intimacy.
I actually missed out on the MeToo movements attack on monster girl brothels
I hate metoo movement.
I am surprised you know these anime shows. All of these i watch when i was a teenage. It crazy that i went back on my childhood but you know i was a big fan for Dragonball Z, Sailor Moon and Gundam. And I Call them Legend anime. Now if i want to watch anime they must have these traits. But then when i watch Tenchi Muyo i started to like fan service anime and harem anime so yeah this video really give me great vibe when i feel down. Thank you on making this video.