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Wie kann jemand so dumm sein, nicht zu sehen, dass dies die 60er Jahre waren und er schwul war? Dieser Mann war schwul und verhielt und bewegte sich wie ein typischer Schwuler, was zu dieser Zeit ein Problem für die Gesellschaft war. Und sonst nichts. Der Grund, warum er so lange braucht, ist, sorgfältig zu überlegen, welche Worte er verwendet, da alles aufgezeichnet wurde und gegen ihn verwendet werden könnte. Homosexualität wurde damals hart bestraft. Es ist unglaublich, dass dieser angebliche Arzt, der ihn hier analysiert, das nicht bemerkt. Es gibt absolut keine Symptome, die auf eine katatonische Schizophrenie hindeuten. Vielmehr deutet es darauf hin, dass der Vater wohl auch ein Problem mit dem weiblichen Verhalten und der weiblichen oder homosexuellen Art zu sprechen und sich zu bewegen hatte. Schauen Sie sich den Film einfach noch einmal an und denken Sie daran, dass er schwul war und sich wie ein schwuler Mann verhielt. Die Hände bewegen oder die Beine überkreuzen, diese schwule Stimme, wie wir sie von typischen Schwulen kennen.
@@morgan_rockefeller_officialeu não acredito nessa teoria. Pelo comportamento dele, o olhar e fala, percebo que ele tinha algum problema mental. Ele não agia com naturalidade.
Hello, Was this man's name Christopher and was he a patient at Pennhurst Asylum? He has a striking resemblance to someone mentioned in a documentary I just started watching..
There is a comment on this video (Lauren’s video) claiming to be from this man’s niece. She says he never played the piano at all. Piano playing was one of the delusions of his illness. That really touched me. Even in his delusion he is gentle and he wants to be constructive. He wants to make music for other people’s entertainment (perhaps also his own pleasure) and teach others how to play the piano. Sadly, it appears to be just a delusion for him, but it’s so obvious he just wants to be normal and do normal things.
@@prince2132 that comment didn't seem mocking to me. I think there was some confirmation that the family of this man have commented about the video and confirmed he did not play piano. If you carefully listen to this conversation between the doctor and this patient, the patient all but admitted he didn't have training in playing piano. The doctor obviously already knows that his patient can't play piano and is trying to get the patient to see that it is a delusion. A person with schizophrenia has delusions. It is not "mocking" him to state that a man with schizophrenia is having delusions about being a piano player or teacher.
@@markholm7050 ...really? I don't find it very empathetic, to be honest. It's tone is rather distanced and cold-hearted, even derogatory. As if observing some rare, weird and pitiful insect specimen, that happens to be part of the family. No warmth for this "useless" and "unintelligible" otherness.
I have schizoaffective and I forget words and sometimes have a hard time communicating. I feel sorry for that guy. His speech is delayed. Thank u for making this review. We are stronger than we think.
It's delayed but he is still articulate. It seems like he's also having trouble with abstraction and metacognition also, focusing on strange details like how he sits or stands. When he was asked why he was there I wanted him to answer: "If I could answer that question I probably wouldn't have to be here!"
I feel like he’s thinking about what to say hence the “everytime I express I don’t belong here, they try to send me to a worser place.” Probably a delusion, he already expressed persecution by people who say he sits funny I see it as he’s trying not to get himself in trouble
Just a huge sense of compassion for this individual. He is articulating very well and where the question is asked “what makes you different” what I see is a person who views them self as the same as every one else, who is struggling with the expectation of social norms. I genuinely believe that he didnt know why people have treated him the way they have where he sees them from a completely non judgemental perspective.
yea, him talking about people not liking him, but him seeming to not quite know why, broke my little heart. People don't usually tell you why they don't like you, they just don't like you. For someone with poor understanding of social interactions, its like grasping at straws but never finding the actual answer. I was 26 when I realized that I didn't get along well with my peers in childhood because I'm autistic & ADHD and NT kids generally don't like ND kids. Its agonizing to know that people don't like you, that people think you're a freak (in a bad way), but not be able to understand WHY they feel that way. what is it about me that is so abhorrent?
THIS IS NOT A REAL PATIENT. I researched the footage and found that it is a student acting the role for purposes of diagnosis. Again, not a real psychiatric patient.
I hope that man grew up knowing love. I am very sure that my 18 yr old autistic daughter is schizophrenic. I try and tell her everyday how much I love her, and that she is perfect to me just like she is. We do EVERYTHING together. She knows 100% that I am ALWAYS on her side. Even if she is angry at me, I'm her fiercest advocate, and I would NEVER let anyone treat her badly. When I see people like this, I just always hope they have strong families behind them, supporting them.
If you watch the actual video on youtube, a supposed family member, a nephew, comments he was usually either out of his mind or catatonic. He was completely drugged up for the interview. He apparently committed suicide in the late 1980s from a drug overdose. ;-(
THIS IS NOT A REAL PATIENT. I researched the footage and found that it is a student acting the role for purposes of diagnosis. Again, not a real psychiatric patient.
@@gabyspook6822 his studies were reading others comments who have said the same based off credits at the end of the documentary because people can't accept scientific documentation also has credits
I’ve seen that interview before. It felt eerie to me, and you put into words why that is. Thank you for your work. You’re lifting the stigma, and helping me see my own bias towards people with schizophrenia or other mental illnesses.
THIS IS NOT A REAL PATIENT. I researched the footage and found that it is a student acting the role for purposes of diagnosis. Again, not a real psychiatric patient.
It's pretty disgusting how they put him on display like that but then it was the 60's and people were very ignorant regarding mental health issues back then.
Agree that the whole shooting style makes the viewer feel uncomfortable and wary. Also made worse by the overall behavior of catatonia which can seem unusual. But also - this was 60 years ago and whoever was behind the camera this wasn't considering the need for flattering filming. They maybe assumed this would only be for educational purposes, and not broadcast on mass media.
Also people talked very differently in the early 60's compared to today. The interviewer spoke differently as well. Times were more formal/rigid. I don't think they gave as much thought to optics and presentation in some ways, and in some ways even more thought was given to formality.
There's a post from someone claiming to be that persons niece, here is what was posted on Reddit about how that person ended up (unfortunately it's quite sad): "Someone posted this on a related website: This man was my uncle. I'm not going to give any names, but for those of you who are concerned with how things turned out for him, not well. There's so much to address here. First let me say that he was being treated in this video with meds. Without the medication his mood ranged from complete delusion to catatonic. As for being gay, I don't think he had much of a sex drive at all. With or without meds. As for the idea that he was put here because he was gay by some unloving family, that's ridiculous. I don't have time to say all the things my family tried just to make his existence somewhat peaceful just for his own sake. My family had a couple of openly homosexual and lesbians in it even back in the sixties and with the exception of my mother's father no one gave a shit. My uncle suffered with meds and even more without. After forty some odd years, most of which he spent in institutions, he took his own life by way of drug overdose. By the way, the comment about the plot twist, he never had a piano was funny because he didn't. His seeming obsession with piano came and went as did obsessions with religion, especially the Catholic Church and government. As far as I know he couldn't play a lick. He was very ill at his best and a living shell at his worst. I hope that answers some questions because that's all I have to say on the matter. He's been gone since the late eighties and I really hope that other members of my family don't see this video, mostly because of the comments from people that somehow think they understand him better than the people who suffered with him. One last thing, I think people thought that he was talking about sitting or standing effeminately or something. No, he was talking about sitting or standing motionless for hours. Usually not even his facial expression would change but when it did it was usually related to something in his mind only. I really can't begin to tell you all how heartbreaking the whole thing was. He did seem intelligent and with meds he did remind me of a high functioning guy with autism I once met."
@@carlinthomas9482 Very sad but entirely as one would expect. None of the behaviour which led to his diagnosis and in-patient treatment was shown in the video which is why it is worthless and misleading as a guide to anything.
I have to admit something here: I read your comment, got to the part of "this was 60 years ago" and immediately went all "DUDE she said FROM THE 60s not 60 years ago, it's not THAT old." and now I feel stupid. My mom is from the 60s and she is 60 years old, so I have no excuse.
Great idea to cover this video, Lauren!!! The catatonic person seemed really interesting. I like how he said, "I think people dislike me because I'm not exactly like they are." It's sad that others will dislike someone just because they are dissimilar, but that's the reality of it.
A lot of creative people feel this way because of ridicule they get from close people in their life. I think that when non creative people have felt this way at times as well because of certain perspectives pushed onto them.
THIS IS NOT A REAL PATIENT. I researched the footage and found that it is a student acting the role for purposes of diagnosis. Again, not a real psychiatric patient.
My brother gets catatonic with his Schizoaffective Disorder. His first episode was in 2014 right before his second psych hospitalization at the age of 39. When you witness true Catatonia, it is really a sight to see! His limbs would get rigid and he had waxy flexiblity where you could bend his body parts and he would hold that position for hours until you move him again. If someone never saw him like this they would think that I was lying. My brother is currently inpatient on his 9th hospitalization and he's worse this time. Not catatonic but severly psychotic and aggressive, which is new for him. I believe the Risperdal Consta injection is not working anymore and he needs to go back to Invega Sustenna, which was great for him. I've worked as a clinician assistant in Mental Health, and have a degree in it so I have lots of experience in the field which helps with him.
I hope your brother is doing well. Personally i suffer from catatonic events and it is truly other worldly. My parents would think i had a brain injury. Having loved ones that support you is paramount. I’m so happy your brother has someone to support him.
I've been hospitalized for psychomotor retardation with my bipolar. Of course, the doctors just said I was being difficult or faking it because my personality changed so much. His speech patterns make total sense to me. I absolutely can follow.
I was by my first psychiatrist visit ever. My psychologist referred me for diagnosis of BP2 PTSD and DID. I stormed off after the first 5 minutes. The was a fat f*** with his gold chains and rings. Immediately started laughing at me and accused me of googling my simptoms. Anyone who suspects that they are mentally ill is going to research their simptoms and see with what they can relate. I was so upset got home took an overdose of pain pills just so that I can sleep and stop crying. Why do they play with our lives like this. Maybe it's all BS and they just in it for the money
Thank you Lauren for your videos and thoughts. I am a mental health practitioner who is trauma-informed and has worked in a psychiatric hospital in addition to many other settings. I agreed with your reaction and wanted to add a few things in case it is helpful. I agree that this was not an example of Catatonia as it is defined today. I don't know if it was defined differently in the 1960's or not. I would add that it's possible his delay in speech could have been due to internal stimuli (i.e.: hallucinations), but more actual assessment would need to occur. His affect was certainly flat. His reasoning did seem a bit askew, but not at all dangerous towards himself or others. There is no information about why he was hospitalized, so it is possible he had improved significantly in the three months. For all we know he was about to get discharged. My only question would be - is he capable of caring for himself (ex: eating on his own, dressing on his own, showering on his own)...and this could easily be assessed. It is true that often people who are experiencing some type of psychosis are also experiencing some type of dissociation (ex: blank spots in memory, or derealization, or depersonalization) simultaneously. These overlap often - and contribute to a person not remembering why they were hospitalized or what they were told in the hospital. It is difficult for practitioners working in hospitals because even though you may have had a full-on conversation with a client about why they were hospitalized, the client may not remember it later. This is frustrating but needs to be seen as a trauma reaction because it is even more difficult for the client. I think that this can be very traumatic for clients and is under-recognized in the psychology field. Again, thank you Lauren for your videos. The information you provide is very succinct, informative, and accurate. I hope your work helps towards the destigmatization of Schizoaffective Disorder and Schizophrenia.
To add some context to this video: Apparently this persons' niece mentioned on Reddit that her uncle never actually played the piano and that they were heavily medicated. I will post the Reddit post below (hopefully YT will allow a link). You can decide for yourself the validity of it.
"Someone posted this on a related website: This man was my uncle. I'm not going to give any names, but for those of you who are concerned with how things turned out for him, not well. There's so much to address here. First let me say that he was being treated in this video with meds. Without the medication his mood ranged from complete delusion to catatonic. As for being gay, I don't think he had much of a sex drive at all. With or without meds. As for the idea that he was put here because he was gay by some unloving family, that's ridiculous. I don't have time to say all the things my family tried just to make his existence somewhat peaceful just for his own sake. My family had a couple of openly homosexual and lesbians in it even back in the sixties and with the exception of my mother's father no one gave a shit. My uncle suffered with meds and even more without. After forty some odd years, most of which he spent in institutions, he took his own life by way of drug overdose. By the way, the comment about the plot twist, he never had a piano was funny because he didn't. His seeming obsession with piano came and went as did obsessions with religion, especially the Catholic Church and government. As far as I know he couldn't play a lick. He was very ill at his best and a living shell at his worst. I hope that answers some questions because that's all I have to say on the matter. He's been gone since the late eighties and I really hope that other members of my family don't see this video, mostly because of the comments from people that somehow think they understand him better than the people who suffered with him. One last thing, I think people thought that he was talking about sitting or standing effeminately or something. No, he was talking about sitting or standing motionless for hours. Usually not even his facial expression would change but when it did it was usually related to something in his mind only. I really can't begin to tell you all how heartbreaking the whole thing was. He did seem intelligent and with meds he did remind me of a high functioning guy with autism I once met."
I'm sceptical of the validity of the niece's story, I've seen another Reddit thread that claimed he is in his late 70s living happily with his wife and also someone sharing his apparent recount of this interview and that he went to prison but is now doing well. Then there are others who've pointed out that the opening credits indicate it's a university production and that he may actually be an actor, not a real patient. So who really knows. People can say anything on the internet, I guess.
I was sectioned into a secure psychiatric psychosis ward in 2015 and do understand his careful choice of words. You are aware of everyday reality and the delusions are just sprinkled into that everyday reality. You have the insight to know that the delusions don't fit with your internal cognitive model of everyday reality and you realise how strange these would seem when describing to others, but still you are emotionally attached to these delusions. So you are careful how you express these to the psychiatrists as you know that it is they who have the authority to discharge you or hold you longer.
Totally agree. I do know that in the original video, that some commenters had implied that he was trying to avoid the topic of possible "sitting" in a different way, maybe to allude to that some people thought he was presenting himself in an effeminate manner and that it might be gender identification or sexual orientation that he was avoiding discussing, which also would make sense for the time, and of course, which is unfortunate.
You're so right ,, I played my role so well when seeing my doctor while I was held , because I knew if I acted out in anyway or say the wrong thing he was going to keep me there longer
The patient seemed gentle and very calm. He did, however, seem somewhat confused about his own situation and what led him to be in the hospital. I wonder what could have happened before that led to him being placed there. Is it possible that he had been behaving differently before? Also, I wondered if he was hearing or seeing something during the time it took for him to start to answer questions, especially when his eyes were moving about the room. I felt sad for his confusion but he didn't seem scary at all to me. I wish this guy well and hope that today he is receiving lots of care if that's what he needs. I imagine today there are better meds to help him feel less confused than were available back then. Hope he played the piano to his heart's content. P.S. Lauren, your compassion is beautiful and overflowing.
I suspect he was heavily medicated. Poor guy, I wonder if he was autistic. We have come a long way in understanding autism however we still have a long way to go.
THIS IS NOT A REAL PATIENT. I researched the footage and found that it is a student acting the role for purposes of diagnosis. Again, not a real psychiatric patient.
Hi Lauren, I didn't get a chance to watch the whole video, but as a therapist I'm really glad you did this, and it's so wonderful that the internet gives folks the opportunity to have metacommentaries on older film footage by someone with lived experience.
Lauren, thank you for your channel and the great content/commentary/insight you provide. I am finishing up my PhD on the topic of schizophrenia and some of your content has been very interesting and helpful. You also just seem like a very nice person to speak to, so keep up the good work and for your help in raising awareness about this topic
finish your degree, enter the vast sea, swim with the sharks, smiles for miles, stress, depiction of reality, embracement day in day out, when did you succeed? when you took off the mask? when you got your phd, when you took your first steps? when you smoked some weed.. where did you fail? what did you see? what was the tail... who planted the seed? its great you are trying, belief that you are free, do what you love, that's enough from me. - controlling your life will forever lead you to the end. Do you wish to find the end, do you wish for happiness first? You wish for equality, peace and love and family, humility. this we all seek, our eyes of many different colours will show us in different ways. You wish to help, i wish to be helped but you cannot help me so how could i help you? by being me... and your insight is supposed to set us free? why? why you...and not me. eyes are the secret. I have the secret that is shared in the every day, and viewed by everyone, but understood by so few. You see my brother has autism disorder, my friend of many years also, autism. And i can say safely, if you share your kindness to those who are willing to embrace it, then, you have your connection to greatness. To greater. To some may say the connection to "god". this may go with confusion in your mind, this may go miss-understood. i say, clearly. God is a concept, true, but a concept. How will God judge so many men/women if it is never here/conscious? through the eyes of his most vulnerable, to view how his strongest treat there power. If you have wealth, share to those who don't, if you have food then feed. if you have insight share what you know. If you have love... give your love. If you have hate you will want to share your hate, why shouldn't you? because it is not yours to give, true or false, hate is gained by a reflection of the surroundings meaning if i throw a stone in the water i have to jump in and retrieve it? no let it go. mental health, I'll give you a hint... Mental health issues are brought up when the user loses control of there focus and there ability to continue. most notably the stereotyped of a lunatic going nuts, rambling... well that is known as a unraveling mind, and when you have no zen, no peace of mind, you will instantly be deemed a mad man. Well. why does teh mind unravel? To reveal. You see? so, there are many layers to this cake, i can not take up too much of your time, for more layered reasons. You see. life works in fundamental patterns, i will not claim to know them all. but what i will claim to have noticed, is layers and perspective. so what happens when you peel all the layers of an onion? you get to... the centre? ah but there be no center, otherwise where did the onion start? same goes for mentality. try asking an insane person, and when did all this start? they would say a date perhaps if you was to be lucky, but, an explanation of there insanity comes out as either jibberish or nonsense either-way you look at it. why is that? Well its quite simple if you do the maths. if you were to unroll a load of bin bags, at what point would you question your actions, and then, would you remember what the first bin bag felt like? no, it felt the same as every other bag. so although you were there for 2 hours unravelling this mass of black plastic, not one single action was unique to another. you lost it, too many points to concentrate on. a mess. thats what it is, aha, all these bin bags. funny word isn't it bin bag. not even black bag. this is fundamental human nature, but notice the difference in fundamental human nature and fundamental nature? importance. that's what that feeling was. you just noticed something very important. Now your stuck asking the questions. digging a hole, but your supposed to be filling a hole. as the beatles put it "fixing a hole where the rain gets in that stops my mind from wandering, where it will go" so. Do you get it now? you can spend eternity either unravelling bin bags, or trying to concentrate on why your unravelling bin bags, or perhaps your one of the ones who never picked any bags up.. thinking, i wish i had more bin bags. Or in a "third world country " thinking, "water for my family, food for 1 meal this week, i need to find." no room to think about concepts, just carnal living. where would we be headed if the great minds of this world where advertising anything other than calm love, also known as peace amongst people. when the Dalai lama sits in calm, and the one who carries angry sits next to him, this has no effect on the Dalai lama, is it because he is immune? that would make him un human is it because he is insane? that would be ridiculous. is it because he has control over his emotions, that would be sure. there is no lesson in our life that you have to pay for. yes, you will work, but what defines work, only the most vague description. when you find what you are looking for, you will see, it was never hidden. no corners, no walls. just you and your karma. the road is a long one. many believe they will surely die before completion. you may not see the irony. but I knw you feel it. That, is the lesson. Good night.
@@mrfake675 well you see, how would he react? this is a question for the ego. He is just a man. Relaxation will be a part of his life as it is in all of ours. If you can't harness yours we are not to blame. If the dalai lama was to be executed, let's hope not as that is vile to wish upon anyone, then i'm sure he would understand that an intrusive energy can not be stopped with no energy. because the buddha can defend him self, if he feels so necessary, but also the buddha would know that a sacrifice is only a sacrifice in the eyes of the beholder of the knife. how can 1 man fight off the entire roman army?? He can't. why the fuck do you think us "dreamers" "jokers" "hippies" "druggies" don't like the corporation and organizations? because it is abuse of power. The reason the Vikings weren't supposed to scream during an execution was because they won't get into Valhalla (nirvana) and why do you think that is? Because there soul would not have been at peace in that case, why do you think the buddha is always at peace? ... and if he was to be attacked as john Lennon was and did shout "i've been shot" he didn't die straight away... so he had time to find his peace before his untimely demise. little hint. If i was you i would stop thinking your greater than anything because all you are is a bag of bones slowly decomposing as we speak. If you can't get chill with that and RELAX then your well your you... :) may you have mercy on your soul.
you're being hard on yourself, not dumb. I have same problem speaking and making sense it is very frustrating to me. at some times i have more clarity of thought but other times i do feel rather stupid. But i think thought deficit is part of this diagnosis. Sometimes i can't think of words or forget meanings of everyday words it's really confusing. So, i hope no one is calling you dumb, because that is unfortunate and unfair. I had a psychiatrist call me 'stupid' because of my response and it really distressed me and hurt me. ...asked me to explain what' a rolling stone gathers no moss,' and i guess i was too literal and couldn't fathom any other meaning....
Anthony!!! Do not call yourself dumb! I have a hard time expressing myself as well. And I was an English major! Did you see that Bruce Willis has to retire from making movies? It is because he has a cognitive illness and he cannot remember lines or speak well anymore. And he is far from dumb!
Thank you soooo much for making this video!! I’ve seen his interview a few times and you sharing your thoughts was so helpful in interpreting his experiences
Your comments are very insightful as usual. Getting into what it means to be "normal" or "insane" is a thorny philosophical question. In everyday activities where this young man would have to interact with people who aren't as patient and caring as you are there could be some chance that he would get into trouble. I suspect that if he was able to live among well-educated and sensitive people from a similar background he'd be fine in that sort of sheltered or protected environment, but that if he had to scrape out a living at the margins he might not do so well. It's hard to find a safe environment for people who are very "different" from higher functioning people from all walks of life.
My great uncle had a mental breakdown while at war. He was sent to a mental health hospital for a number of years....actually it was one they did experiments on patience with LSD. Not sure if he was experimented on. Upon release he lived with his sister (great aunt). He was very quiet and spent his life walking countryside roads all day. Sadly he was hit by a car.
It’s unlikely he was given LSD in a mental hospital. LSD is actually very helpfully for people with PTSD and autism if they are in the right environment. Unfortunately, people often instead further traumatize people by locking them up and numb them with anti-depressants that just make others feel more comfortable.
@@JDMimeTHEFIRST Yes they tried LSD. It was a long time ago but it happened to frequently. It wasn't called a drug back then. It was experimental. Horrible.
I do not have schizophrenia, I do have ADHD & anxiety, I've had severe depression, several years ago I voluntarily entered a behavioural health centre for a month. I'm interested in psychology, I've watched quite a few videos on the subject including the one you are talking about! When I watched it i felt sorry for the patient! He obviously has issues, but I would say the biggest issue is society view of him! We have come a long way, but we have still have a way to go! People like you, being honest & talking about your life & struggles are raising awareness & acceptance! Keep up the great work!
These type of videos have helped me understand my wife so much better. ABOUT 4 years ago I still didn't understand her, the I started to look around then I found this video, it kind if scared me, then I found these videos and my marriage has never been better, got more interested in her care
The professor of my clinical psychology class somehow also had a preference for those really old videos. However he did not choose this video to show us for schizophrenia and instead showed us a few videos from the channel "psychology case files". They're from the 80's and and the interviews there are staged completely differently. Way more eye leveled with a very neutral interviewer who is pretty good at getting information out of the patients. Of course it still needs to be seen in context of its time but the videos are pretty interesting.
People make fun of him due to his posture. This is why he is saying people dislike him it's not a delusion. Bullying, making fun of people can be found everywhere especially when they look and act differently from others.
This video gives me an impression of "confess your crimes", "say that you are mentally ill so we can have a justification to feel that we are helping you! and you need us!". But we all participate in this, don't we? Even the family members, we have created cages to put people I mean "treat them". Something is wrong, I feel this video just depicts the way we treat ourselves, just pointing the finger at other people and trying to fix them, what are we going to fix? At what point did we start to make a living out of the suffering of other people? But that is why we have psychiatrists and doctors to fix us, right? This is so disempowering and sad that as humanity we all participate in this, something has to change in the way we see ourselves! I appreciate the last words of Lauren saying that living with schizophrenia is more than this. The way we treat people is the same way we treat ourselves!
I have seen this video before and his delay in response reminds me of my son. But he is answering the questions asked of him so his comprehension is there. It saddens me 💔 the stigma of this illness
I may be projecting and I'm not dx'd as schiz. but I get the impression that there is so much going on in his head and then he has to come back to a basic answer the doctor might understand.
I had a psychiatrist tell me I couldn't have a disorder I thought I had because I wasn't disruptive enough. I had to be my own friggin' therapist for four years. Then I was officially diagnosed and thought it would get better. Nope. I can't afford to pay for private care (nor do I really want to as the last TEN therapists I've had haven't helped). The Alberta provided care is nowhere where the recommendations are for treating my disorder. I literally feel on my own and my psychiatrist was offended that I said that. I was like, you call me for five minutes every couple of months. Oh yeah. I feel supported. And do you know what?! He never called me for my appointment and hasn't returned any of my calls. It's insane how mental health professionals treat people with mental illness. And that's in EDMONTON! It's so so so so so so much worse in rural areas.
They get one bad patient and then they treat the others like idiots for years after that. Professionals can seem disconnected because they can't understand what you go through. I feel for you don't give up and keep trying to find someone who suits you.
So sorry you are going through that. Mental health care is not a priority in the US either . You can't get an appointment for mental health care for three months but you can get a gun at your local wall Mart before lunch in any small town.
he's not really catatonic, but there is thought blocking, speech latency and quite a bit of paranoia. he seems like a nice person who really needs help.
He was clearly trained as a mentat, but had a psychotic break during training. I went through this training, but fortunately retained my concept of self, even during the most intense phases of being challenged about notions of 'reality.'
Lauren is right. This man looks like a victim of a vicious system. I like her compassion. Psychiatric hospitals are self sustaining businesses. It is in their interest to hospitalise people. They just make money out of it. A vacant bed, makes just an excuse to find another patient.
Well the concept is to warehouse people who aren’t doing well “ in town” as opposed to help the community by helping the individuals in it who need help to be part of the community.
Keep in mind he's heavily medicated. Out on his own things might be very different. There have been many instances of people being killed by homeless psychotics and schizophrenics in NYC and LA in recent years. It's not a simple solution of just 'mainstreaming' everyone. And now California, Oregon and Washington are putting up homeless people with severe mental illness and substance use problems in high dollar real estate at taxpayer expense to fend for themselves. It's a mess.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 The statistics on whose psychosis leads to violence has to do with upbringing just like anyone who finds anti-social methods to deal with their issues. It would be cool if Lauren actually did a segment on that.
I have schizoaffective bipolar. My first big psychosis involved a musical delusion. I didn't actually want to be in a band or play in front of people or anything like that. Just God telling me through the radio etc that he wanted me to become some sort of guitar messiah. I've always had a fair amount of insight--like I was living in two worlds, sometimes I knew I was delusional, sometimes I didn't. Not sure if it counts as a delusion of grandeur, I didn't want to be a guitar messiah, the idea of all that attention was horrifying, I just wanted to learn to play the guitar. A while back I was looking at the 'special interests' in autism. A similar drive for a particular subject might be called hyperfocus in ADHD, or maybe obsessive or compulsive interest in bipolar. I'm sure there are other terms for this in schizophrenia, but the one I've come across is 'pathological hobby' which I find really insulting. This fellow's interests were genuinely his, delusional or not.
There are so many overlaps and degrees of intensity for these disorders. I fortunately don't have Schizophrenia, but I have Stage 2 Bipolar or Cyclothymia, just like my dad (he's a lawyer, btw, so it's not always a social death sentence). I also have ADHD (sometimes with hyper-focus; I will sometimes lose myself in things I am interested in for hours, sometimes days at a time (video games, books, a documentary series)). Sometimes, my mood will totally change on a dime, I'll go on a verbal tear for 5-15 minutes, and then calm down and go back to "normal." Sometimes it's myself thinking about things and I go off; sometimes someone will say something or do something. It's unconscious. I know I require more discipline. I have to consciously, physically stop myself, and it doesn't always work. My family are saints with their endless patience with me. If I didn't have that support network, I can guarantee my disorders would have deteriorated without them, possibly to physical abuse to myself or others, and possibly even prison. These folks need Support and medical and mental health HOSPITALS; not prisons or the Street. Or the Grave. Or Nurse Ratchet, lol. One last note. Keep in mind, this was 1961. World War 2 had ended a mere sixteen (16) years before. Patience was thin with the folks in power. In their mind, if you want to do something, like learn to play the piano, just go do it. Why is there a problem? So, be patient with the doctor as well. He probably went through some sort of trauma himself during that time. Maybe he was in the war, maybe he lost a son or a loved one in the war. You never know. P.P.S.: I heard on NPR the story of a millionaire who took advantage of his ADHD. He was super-focused on the things he cared about. So he focused on ways to make money, lol.
THIS IS NOT A REAL PATIENT. I researched the footage and found that it is a student acting the role for purposes of diagnosis. Again, not a real psychiatric patient.
@@John-ni1lt what link? Someone said that at the end, the credits said “class project” or something, to which he clarified that it doesn’t mean acting. I agree with that. Where are your sources for it being a student acting?
My great aunt was being treated in a state mental hospital during this time, lord knows what kind of treatments were available it had to be brutal. The rights of the patient weren't exactly top priority, far from it.
My mom have schizophrenia, i was 15 when the doctor told our family and im 40 now but she is doing very fine now . Thank you very so much for your videos 😊🇸🇪
I think he was so shiny bc he was probably breaking a sweat with those lights shining down so close on him! I didn't even really notice the lights were like that until you stopped to talk about it at 2:40 I actually already watched this video (of the young man in this video quite a while ago) I have watched alot of these older videos that came from the same channel this video came from.
I appreciate your take on this so much!! I've worked with several clients with schizophrenia and other related diagnoses. I haven't ever been short and almost rude like this interviewer is; however, your take on this is giving me more encouragement to show even more compassion and gentleness to my clients.
Really glad you've covered this. When I was younger and still had alot of trauma related to the symptoms I had growing up I saw this video online but couldn't watch it, or other videos like this, especially of children as it was too triggering. I can now, thanks to therapy and people like yourselves who have made mental health problems less scary. This video didn't challenge the view that people with mental health issues are a bit "weird", "other", scary or otherworldly x
The psychiatrist's tone is quiet & conveys compassion. It was a different era back then with less understanding & treatments for mental health problems. The stigma was more than today. So for a doctor of that time I think he did well. I agree with you Lauren that this man being interviewed did very well considering the challenges was experiencing.
Doctors in different fields even today can slip up momentarily & come across as short, snappy, frustrated with our symptoms. If in the next sentence they go back to a more compassionate tone they've checked themselves. These old videos from the 50s & 60s are still confronting. I'm also someone with lived experience of mental disorder. Thank you Lauren for your channel.
The field of psychiatry was advanced enough then to understand schizophrenia and the symptoms of it. By this time Freud had already established modern psychology decades earlier and there was an accurate understanding of mental illness. Dr. Carl Jung had already successfully treated people with schizophrenia through his analytical psychotherapy approach. There weren't many pharmacological treatments though, and some theories of that time on the genesis of mental illness were later abandoned. Even today we often still don't have the answers to successfully treating severe mental illnesses.
@@katehenry6666 I agree however remember how much less they knew back then. Part of the snappiness is trying to sort out what/where the problem is. My own family member was not as lucid as this person was and would have reacted much more negatively. Remember that they did not have the drugs that they have now. It is great that Lauren can describe what is going on and lend understanding so we all can improve.
When they attempt to convey compassion that's when a psych is at their most dangerous and you have to be on your guard. It's the old good cop/bad cop. They want you to lower your guard and tell them anything that they can use to justify the hold order.
Thank you for your reaction to this video. It's only been within the past five years that I've been formally diagnosed with a schizophrenia/bipolar disorder. I'm still trying to make sense of things and, for me, it's comforting and validating to listen to someone else within the same sphere mirror what I feel as well. On one hand I feel fortunate my diagnosis came later in life as I was already a father by then because it made it easy, for me at least, to compartmentalize that and recognize that my biggest echo chamber was my children. Some days are an absolute struggle. TODAY is one of those days, and this video was a blessing. Your approach and tone is very comforting, which is HUGE when you don't even want to hear your own voice discussing your inner issues. Thank you, and to anyone struggling with the same, hug from a stranger; you got this.
I'm so happy you did this video review because I have felt the same way for so long. I feel as though this man has been treated so wrong and find it so disgusting. Welcome to the world of Doctors. Whatever they say is fact. I don't think so. They have been wrong so many times but because they're Dr's they get away with it. How absolutely disgusting.
That express on your face. It shows me how you feel. Even with the meds and audience I still see that dark, dark depressed empty mood. I'm glad you still put out the videos for us. Love you.
Just found your channel and I love it! Thank you for breaking the stigma surrounding mental illness. Having a diagnosis doesn't mean you are a horrible or dangerous person.
Most of the comments on the video were very positive towards the patient. I personally didn't find him or the video to be creepy. If you go back far enough you can't judge people the exact same way as you would judge people in 2022. This is not the same as excusing, downplaying or supporting the old behaviors, just accepting that this is the way things were sometimes done in the 60's by well meaning mental health professionals. In 2122 who knows what kinds of things we all do now with a clear conscience will be looked at as barbaric? Each generation changes and improves, and progress seems both fast and slow at the same time depending on how you look at it. Medicine, mental health and human rights have improved by leaps and bounds since the 60's but there is still room for so much more improvement.
Thanks for making this video. I've seen the video you reacted to in my recommendeds for awhile but avoided it because of the topic combined with the time period. I'm glad I watched it with your reaction, though. It was still sad, but it helped to have some insight into the patient side of things.
Remember that these videos were made for mental health professionals to get an idea of some presentations of various mental health illnesses. They basically just sat these folks down with someone (a psychiatrist, if I remember correctly) who intends to draw out the full person they're interviewing, to the degree its possible. Yep, sometimes they're absolutely wrong with the way they're trying to draw them out, but they were still learning to see them as people to sympathize with. Heck, some still haven't learned that. And there's a longer video around although I don't have a link. I saw the longer one first about six-ish years ago. These break my heart. There are several of these for various conditions. I think it would be important for students to watch these to fully understand what their profession has based itself on and how much they still don't know. As someone with a mental illness, I've run across a few folks who don't actually understand.
I have seen this video before and i couldn’t get through it because i didn’t understand what i was watching the unsettling nature of the video was really upsetting. Thank you for explaining this more and helping me understand. I can see this man in a completely different light. I understand my ignorance now!! You are doing an amazing job educating people!! Thank you!!
Thank you so much for sharing this video and your response to it. I agree with everything you’ve said about the interview in the video. I don’t have a schizoaffective spectrum disorder myself, but I can relate to the power differential you’ve described and found the interview to be triggering for that reason. How the interviewer handled himself in the interview was offensive, and I can imagine I would have personally struggled to say as much in that situation, too. I’m so glad you clarified how times have changed tremendously. A 3 month hospitalization is almost unheard of now in the US unless there’s been a threat of self harm or harm to others or a court order for those things has been put in place. Thanks again for a great video!
I do wonder if he was hospitalized for other reasons than just how he presented. Like maybe his father just felt that he would never be able to live on his own and didn't want his son staying with him, so he just lodged him in a mental hospital for the rest of his life. It would also explain why he was there for so long.
Is it possible he is gay? "They don't like how I stand or sit at the piano" says alot. It never made clear if he really could play or if this was a delusion that he could. He seems articulate enough and a bit guarded as a person in those days might be if they were. Maybe the slower communication was from being on meds. I agree though, he didn't fit the criteria of Catatonic Schizophrenia you listed. Also if his Dad and Doctors put him there I'm wondering if they thought he could be "fixed". I hope he survived whatever happened after that and became a piano instructor.
...this was exactly what I thought while watching - his confused state might also have to do with a pathologized and repressed homosexuality back in those days and the feeling to be viewed as "different" and "wrong" then would become very comprehensible ...
Someone claiming to be a niece said he couldn't play the piano at all. The reason, "how he sits at the piano" was wrong is because he was completely gone and there was no piano. He was never well enough to learn and medication did not work well for him. He eventually took his own life. He had a brother who was gay and a cousin who was lesbian so the relative thought homosexuality would have been so much easier for the family to accept. I had a great aunt like this. She was never free from the cycles of hospitals and medications that rarely worked well. She was unfortunately one of the rare few who was prone to violence and eventually committed suicide by cop.
I feel I have a hard time communicating or relaying information with my brother who has schizophrenia. sometimes I catch him wide awake at 3 am in the living room with little lighting and he’s just there sitting and looking at nothing and sometimes mumbling and makes weird noises with his voice. I ask him if he’s okay and he just always and I mean always says “I’m okay” but I feel like he’s not like why would he be doing this? I want to be supportive but don’t know how to talk to get him to talk about what he’s feeling or how I can help. He’s definitely gotten better since we switched doctors and the doctor gave him better medications suited for him but when he’s off his med even for a day he is full blown out weird and scary with his actions and verbal sounds of gibberish. In the beginning he denied and refused he had a problem and wouldn’t take the meds but now I think he realizes it’s helping him a lot and takes it all the time or sometimes I notice a difference if he’s off it. How can I get him to open up and talk about it I don’t want to offend him since before he got schizo he was a very violent and borderline psychopathic before his illness really flared up in the surface.
Great video! I could never watch the original despite it being consistently pushed at me. Your commentary made it so, so easy to watch. I was wondering how this man would feel, hearing your commentary, experiencing your kind, accepting, gentle approach to his condition - to HIM.
I first saw this interview with this man years ago. I can't help viewing it. I feel like this man is articulate and speaks well. I feel exactly like you do he shouldn't have been there. I feel like his rich family was fed up with him and put him in there. It seems he's maintaining as best he can but really should never have been there. I feel bad for him.
Thank you for this. Would you do more evaluations of this particular video series along with commentary on how the patients would be evaluated and treated by today’s standards? They reveal old judgmental attitudes that are harmful. I too thought this patient was not catatonic. Having your voice out here to weigh in on these issues is important. Maybe do a collab with someone who has the illness and/or a psychiatrist (maybe a professor) who can explain? You could do these via Zoom, webinar style. But I think they are popular because they show what the patient is like when unwell. It would be helpful to have a section that lists what to look for if you suspect a loved one is struggling. When is it time to take them to see a doctor vs to the hospital? How can a caretaker convince authorities that their loved one is sick? So they will not be taken to jail instead of the hospital?
I think the positive about showing this video, is the general population thinks Catalonia is more like a coma, where you can pose a person and they stay in that pose. There is also hyperactive Catalonia which I observed where I work in the mental health field. Love the hair color!❤
That entire video was triggering, and my heart breaks for this person and the countless others who suffered through the type of "treatment" throughout the past.
I thought the "catatonia" was referring to the several moments of complete disassociation. When he was asked a question, it looked as though he was completely checking out, and then a few seconds later it looked like he woke up with a gasp, like someone squirted him with a water gun and answered. It was very unsettling for me to watch, and I really appreciate your take on this. I was unsettled because I could see that his mind completely disengage, like he was hovering in that moment before his head dropped and he was asleep, but then would click back in and sometimes he would understand the interviewer's question and sometimes he wouldn't. There were several moments where he clearly was not listening, but then he would have a rational answer when he came back and it was almost like something was listening for him while he wasn't there.
As someone who has been a psychiatric hospital short term, I think the video can be a valuable teaching tool in a way. We just didn't have the knowledge that we do now in terms of medical and psychiatric care.....even medications that were used (if any) to try and help treat those with mental illness was HIGHLY experimental. Even the interviewing and therapy techniques at this time were still in the baby stages of development. I actually find it quite interesting.
Did anyone else feel that perhaps there was a lot going on behind the scenes of this man's 'diagnosis'? Could it be some type of scenario such as he was a very artistic child and young man and not interested in sports or other pursuits that his father thought 'normal' and so was taken to psychiatrists in the hope that they would change his types of interests? Could he have been on some kind of medication at the time of the interview that slowed his responses? I'm very suspicious of the interviewer/doctor and his questioning. I also thought he was quite articulate but knew to keep some things to himself in order to protect himself. It was very upsetting to watch. I wonder whatever happened to this young man.
Anyone should feel uncomfortable about the interviewer's demeanor and questioning of this young man. It is truly disturbing to see it. Agree with your analysis though I didn't feel the young man was in any way delusional. He was quite aware that others saw him as different and may have picked up that they didn't really like him or didn't take the time and effort to try to get ot know him and accept him as he was.
HATS OFF TO YOU for making such A superb Video - Sixty or so years ago when Second generation Anti psychological medicines were NOT available!!! - However, Video Does Give impressions that - patient had A strong Block regarding How people Feel HOW inferior he feels in comparison to others - many preconceived Notions - un challenged / imagined situation!! Anyways - Very happy that you DID SUCH A CREATIVE analysis Of the sixty years old interview !!!
Thanks so much for this. Others thoughts are also occurring to me - he may have been heavily medicated, I get a very strong sense he is also Autistic, and he may also have been gay (at a time when society still viewed homosexuality as 'deviant' behaviour, and treated gay people with suspicion.). He's also likely to be Gifted. Some, or a combination of these, may also have made him feel, or seem, 'different' from others.
You're an Earth angel 🤝🏻❤ im so glad that you think outside the box ☑️ amazing how you explain yourself very well 🙌🏽 ty for sharing this stay blessed ❤️ this woman is amazing!
This video was appalling. The interview was an interrogation and seemed to be at times aggressive. The patient reminded me of individuals on the autistic spectrum. The person interviewed may have been on anti-psychotics at the time of the interview which can cause "brain fog". This video without explanation or any clear context is a disgrace and should not be circulated.
I am autistic and omg yes, I relate so hard to the patient. For whatever reason, whether schizophrenia, medication, autism, or all of the above, he seems to be communicating very similarly to how I do when I’m shut down & struggling to be verbal. And being seemingly disliked for reasons you don’t really understand… fixating on something someone said maybe about the way you stand weird, or just aren’t like other people… yeah, i can really relate to this guy.
@@KellyCDB Hi , I am married to an Autistic man and I can appreciate what you have said. It can be hard seeing him struggle with some things and excel at so many others.....He has taught me a LOT about neuro diversity....and about how difficult it can be to understand neuro typical folk like myself......
It was theater. Propaganda to paint Schizophrenia in a bad light. When historically those with Schizophrenia were geniuses. John Nash is a fine example.
i completely understand where he says people dislike him for sitting at the piano wrong. i feel like i’m doing everything wrong ( walking, sitting, standing )
I feel so much compassion for this man who is clearly having difficulty with his illness, whether long term or an episode, and trying to respond to his difficulties as best as he can. Psychosis is one of the last major bastions of mental health awareness and I feel extreme empathy towards the community and individuals who live with it. I don’t feel like the doctor is being particularly needling, and is keeping his tone calm and his questions measured without any overly distinct emotionality; I feel like strong verbal tones or inflections can be extra sensory information for someone vulnerable to try to interpret. Flat questions with good opportunity to respond in his own time, completely open ended for any response, without inferences. I get secondhand anxiety for people who are vulnerable due to mental illness who are given an even slightly hostile experience in situations like this. Especially when psychosis and schizophrenia is so stigmatised and even now misunderstood.
We also have to consider how many of his symptoms and his behavior in this video is from his schizophrenia, and how much is the medications they had him on. Especially back then when they were still making new drugs that he may have been on
I always thought he was homosexual and was put in a mental institution thinking they could "treat" him for it. At this time shock therapy was big and medications could account for some of his behaviors plus going through such abuse and pressure because of his sexual orientation would make him feel the need to be vague.
Someone else said he may be gay and I thought it was a stretch, but the more I watch I think there may be something to it. A gay man, rejected by his family, and perhaps already given electro shocks and lots of drugs. I wonder.
Honours psych student and couldn't agree more. Current studies (in Australia at least) teach that the client is the expert of themselves from the outset - No one knows more about them than themselves! And if symptoms aren't negatively affecting their ability to navigate the world and maintain their own health, there's no call for drastic measures. Meet the client where they are, and if they aren't in danger, address the symptoms raised by the client and help alleviate and concerns or distress they might have. There's a lot of older schooling that employs treatment and medication where it isn't necessary, there's no need to treat symptoms and behaviours that aren't problematic for the client unless it's negatively impacting wellbeing or the safety of the client and/or others.
Lauren, I wonder if you could track him down and do a youtube interview with him to see how he is doing at the present time. He is probably still alive today.
Thank you for discussing this video and sharing your thoughts :) As much as I like watching those old videos, I get the feeling that patients are retroactively being exploited for clicks and sensationalism, so I appreciate your approach. I hope this man got to play the piano in peace for the rest of his life. I hate the interviewer/doctor and the way he talks to the patient, snaps at him, dismisses him and sounds accusatory. If this is the tone in front of a camera, imagine how this man was dismissed and insulted when no camera was there.
The word is simply a medical diagnosis. The condition itself is what is stigmatized. Changing the name of the medical condition will only eventually lead to that word also having negative connotations. We need to tackle the root of the issue, which is that mental health disorders are socially stigmatized. Changing the name is like applying a bandaid to a gaping wound.
If you rename it, that new name will just become a stigmatized word pretty soon anyway. Unless it's because it's misleading in that people mix it up with DID because of its root words, in that case I might agree.
A psych for sore minds just did a review recently and it was really interesting. I think you also give a good insight of what it must be like on the receiving end of this illness.
He’s actually interpreting responses accurately, nothing is wrong with him, he’s trying something different, which is mindfulness. He’s very patient, not delusional in perception. He’s being perceptive to his feelings. He’s actually telling you exactly what he’s doing. Of course it’s unusual because most of us don’t do it.
I honestly believe that he has feminine tendencies and the father didn't like it. So he got him a psychiatrist that would explain the "difference" because he simply can't be accepted. So he is told he's schizophrenic, delusional and highly medicated.
Youre right with the slight delay in answering but I admire his answers I feel so sorry for this gentle guy I'd love to know who he is/was and what happened to him? 😔😔😞😞😢😢
I’ve had catatonia like this, where I could communicate very slowly but my body was almost frozen, what would that be called? I think there’s different levels of the catatonia. But I’m not doctor I just experience that freezing body with my schizophrenia. I have also had the kind where I can’t communicate or move. I enjoy your videos so much Lauren I learn a lot about myself with your videos. Thank you for sharing
I'm vaguely worried that he might be right like they might make conditions worse for him because such hospitals especially in the past could be not great places to be
I think some context is missing. The interview was from 1961. I suggest people watch a British movie from 1961 called 'The victim.' It could clarify why he was so reluctant to give away too much detail about himself and why his father and others were critical of the way he sat, which I think is a euphemistic way of saying that they thought he was effeminate.
The guy is an ACTOR! I’ve seen him on a western. He isn’t actually a person who was living with schizophrenia. The tell is in the beginning of the video. It’s a Motion picture from the THEATRE ARTS Department in Los Angeles, CA! It is an actor portrayal! I’m surprised this wasn’t caught by the TH-camr.
This what I found. A niece that claims to know him. It sounds pretty legit. This man was my uncle. I'm not going to give any names, but for those of you who are concerned with how things turned out for him, not well. There's so much to address here. First let me say that he was being treated in this video with meds. Without the medication his mood ranged from complete delusion to catatonic. As for being gay, I don't think he had much of a sex drive at all. With or without meds. As for the idea that he was put here because he was gay by some unloving family, that's ridiculous.I don't have time to say all the things my family tried just to make his existence somewhat peaceful just for his own sake. My family had a couple of openly homosexual and lesbians in it even back in the sixties and with the exception of my mother's father no one gave a shit. My uncle suffered with meds and even more without. After forty some odd years, most of which he spent in institutions, he took his own life by way of drug overdose. By the way, the comment about the plot twist, he never had a piano was funny because he didn't. His seeming obsession with piano came and went as did obsessions with religion, especially the Catholic Church and government. As far as I know he couldn't play a lick. He was very ill at his best and a living shell at his worst. I hope that answers some questions because that's all I have to say on the matter. He's been gone since the late eighties and I really hope that other members of my family don't see this video, mostly because of the comments from people that somehow think they understand him better than the people who suffered with him. One last thing, I think people thought that he was talking about sitting or standing effeminately or something. No, he was talking about sitting or standing motionless for hours. Usually not even his facial expression would change but when it did it was usually related to something in his mind only. I really can't begin to tell you all how heartbreaking the whole thing was. He did seem intelligent and with meds he did remind me of a high functioning guy with autism I once met.
Having been committed against my will, not told what my diagnosis was, not told how I could improve my behavior and ‘get better’ , and made to take drugs against my will, I hate places that hold psych patients. They are for profit prisons that do no real healing.
If I remember correctly, this was the case - to anyone other than himself, he did not appear to be playing the piano at all and was entirely inactive. There was a fundamental disconnect between his impression of his own actions, and his actions as they actually manifested to others. I may be misremembering, but I feel fairly confident that this was the case.
Outstanding analysis. She hit the nail on the head with all her observations. I appreciate her perspective so much. It is invaluable, and her empathy is keen and compassionate. My heart was already breaking when he said he thought he was there because he was "not completely like other people." He was totally right, and I felt that so hard. Also, I don't know if the interviewer is a psychiatrist or a psychologist, but his line of questioning is such bullshit, and he treated the guy with cold indifference, hostility, and suspicion. The interviewer knew exactly why the patient was there, but instead of trying to learn about his experience or provide him with comfort, he wasted his time by grilling the poor guy and condescending to him. UNACCEPTABLE!
Really hard not to empathize with this man, even when I watched the original video. I've been in a psych hold for depression and honestly, even though I was fully lucid, it was still very difficult for me to understand what was going on in the hospital and why. I'd also like to add that his affect strikes me as more autistic than schizophrenic or catatonic, but who knows. Autism wasn't a diagnostic category applied to adults at the time.
Autism and schizophrenia can look similar on the outside. There is some symptom overlap. People with autism and schizophrenia both tend to have flat affect (lack to no facial expression), which is probably what you’re picking up on.
Hi Lauren, I don’t mean to gatekeep or anything, I think it’s really helpful that you have brought attention to this condition, but I really wish you had included someone else who had experienced catatonia in this discussion. As someone who has experienced catatonia I would like to say that while it arises partially from my mental illness, it is also a condition which feels completely different from the general feeling of my mental illness. For example, while my eyes would dart back and forth during a catatonic state, it doesn’t necessarily indicate fear, and while I am concerned about being involuntarily hospitalized it’s not really the most pressing issue on my mind while catatonic (I’m not sure what this man said, couldn’t watch the whole video because it was much too confronting). Also, catatonia is truly a spectrum and it doesn’t necessarily always manifest in someone being completely mute or immobile. Anyway, I feel that being able to relate on a schizophrenic level is important, but I think it would’ve been even more enlightening to include a person who has experienced the catatonic perspective. Just my two cents. Keep up the great (and vital) work though, with this amazing educational content!
When you have spent 3 months in a mental hospital and are told next to nothing about what the "doctors" intentions for you are. When you are suffering from the effects of high doses of psychiatric approved toxins. When you know the person interrogating you can have a seriously detteramental affect on your life in the short term and long term from one poorly thought out sentence you speak. When there are other people in mental hospital who seem similar to you and have been detained for much longer and have no clue as to what their future will be. You better believe that you're going to think carefully about what it is that you're going to say before you say it and that you are very scared. You can't display your fear as that's just like blood in the water to those sharks. It's naive to think that just because someone is in the medical profession means that they don't enjoy observing and causing suffering. After all, if you enjoy watching and causing people to suffer what better profession is there other than psychiatry.
I don’t know about enjoying by psychiatrists but I can understand the fear of being hospitalized and being given medications that may actually make you worse. Being kept in the hospital longer than you should be. Not knowing where you will go or how you will take care of yourself. Very frightening I would imagine. Especially when friends and family members will have nothing to do with you. Thank you for clarifying.
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Wie kann jemand so dumm sein, nicht zu sehen, dass dies die 60er Jahre waren und er schwul war? Dieser Mann war schwul und verhielt und bewegte sich wie ein typischer Schwuler, was zu dieser Zeit ein Problem für die Gesellschaft war. Und sonst nichts. Der Grund, warum er so lange braucht, ist, sorgfältig zu überlegen, welche Worte er verwendet, da alles aufgezeichnet wurde und gegen ihn verwendet werden könnte. Homosexualität wurde damals hart bestraft. Es ist unglaublich, dass dieser angebliche Arzt, der ihn hier analysiert, das nicht bemerkt. Es gibt absolut keine Symptome, die auf eine katatonische Schizophrenie hindeuten. Vielmehr deutet es darauf hin, dass der Vater wohl auch ein Problem mit dem weiblichen Verhalten und der weiblichen oder homosexuellen Art zu sprechen und sich zu bewegen hatte. Schauen Sie sich den Film einfach noch einmal an und denken Sie daran, dass er schwul war und sich wie ein schwuler Mann verhielt. Die Hände bewegen oder die Beine überkreuzen, diese schwule Stimme, wie wir sie von typischen Schwulen kennen.
@@morgan_rockefeller_officialeu não acredito nessa teoria. Pelo comportamento dele, o olhar e fala, percebo que ele tinha algum problema mental. Ele não agia com naturalidade.
It's amazing how people with schizophrenia can go on imagining things for weeks and months.
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Was this man's name Christopher and was he a patient at Pennhurst Asylum? He has a striking resemblance to someone mentioned in a documentary I just started watching..
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There is a comment on this video (Lauren’s video) claiming to be from this man’s niece. She says he never played the piano at all. Piano playing was one of the delusions of his illness. That really touched me. Even in his delusion he is gentle and he wants to be constructive. He wants to make music for other people’s entertainment (perhaps also his own pleasure) and teach others how to play the piano. Sadly, it appears to be just a delusion for him, but it’s so obvious he just wants to be normal and do normal things.
That's one of the mocking comment's don't believe those lies.
@@prince2132 that comment didn't seem mocking to me. I think there was some confirmation that the family of this man have commented about the video and confirmed he did not play piano. If you carefully listen to this conversation between the doctor and this patient, the patient all but admitted he didn't have training in playing piano. The doctor obviously already knows that his patient can't play piano and is trying to get the patient to see that it is a delusion. A person with schizophrenia has delusions. It is not "mocking" him to state that a man with schizophrenia is having delusions about being a piano player or teacher.
@@prince2132 It does not have a mocking tone. Not at all. If it was a lie, it was a well constructed one. Very sympathetic and believable.
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...really? I don't find it very empathetic, to be honest. It's tone is rather distanced and cold-hearted, even derogatory. As if observing some rare, weird and pitiful insect specimen, that happens to be part of the family. No warmth for this "useless" and "unintelligible" otherness.
You are the food one here
I have schizoaffective and I forget words and sometimes have a hard time communicating. I feel sorry for that guy. His speech is delayed. Thank u for making this review. We are stronger than we think.
It's delayed but he is still articulate. It seems like he's also having trouble with abstraction and metacognition also, focusing on strange details like how he sits or stands. When he was asked why he was there I wanted him to answer: "If I could answer that question I probably wouldn't have to be here!"
You are strong just remember life is short and it isn't forever. I suffer from scizoaffective disorder as well
@@odinbrierley5366 yeah it’s hard. My medicine is helping me so much.
His thought process is delayed.
I feel like he’s thinking about what to say hence the “everytime I express I don’t belong here, they try to send me to a worser place.” Probably a delusion, he already expressed persecution by people who say he sits funny I see it as he’s trying not to get himself in trouble
Just a huge sense of compassion for this individual. He is articulating very well and where the question is asked “what makes you different” what I see is a person who views them self as the same as every one else, who is struggling with the expectation of social norms. I genuinely believe that he didnt know why people have treated him the way they have where he sees them from a completely non judgemental perspective.
yea, him talking about people not liking him, but him seeming to not quite know why, broke my little heart. People don't usually tell you why they don't like you, they just don't like you. For someone with poor understanding of social interactions, its like grasping at straws but never finding the actual answer. I was 26 when I realized that I didn't get along well with my peers in childhood because I'm autistic & ADHD and NT kids generally don't like ND kids. Its agonizing to know that people don't like you, that people think you're a freak (in a bad way), but not be able to understand WHY they feel that way. what is it about me that is so abhorrent?
THIS IS NOT A REAL PATIENT. I researched the footage and found that it is a student acting the role for purposes of diagnosis. Again, not a real psychiatric patient.
@@John-ni1lt Where is your proof. What research? Just asking. No offense intended.
@@John-ni1lt wrong ! real footage, not intended for the general public but rather a training video for other Dr.
He does, that's part of it
I hope that man grew up knowing love. I am very sure that my 18 yr old autistic daughter is schizophrenic. I try and tell her everyday how much I love her, and that she is perfect to me just like she is. We do EVERYTHING together. She knows 100% that I am ALWAYS on her side. Even if she is angry at me, I'm her fiercest advocate, and I would NEVER let anyone treat her badly. When I see people like this, I just always hope they have strong families behind them, supporting them.
If you watch the actual video on youtube, a supposed family member, a nephew, comments he was usually either out of his mind or catatonic. He was completely drugged up for the interview. He apparently committed suicide in the late 1980s from a drug overdose. ;-(
His life was tragic its sad
THIS IS NOT A REAL PATIENT. I researched the footage and found that it is a student acting the role for purposes of diagnosis. Again, not a real psychiatric patient.
@@John-ni1lt do you have proof?
@@gabyspook6822 his studies were reading others comments who have said the same based off credits at the end of the documentary because people can't accept scientific documentation also has credits
I’ve seen that interview before. It felt eerie to me, and you put into words why that is. Thank you for your work. You’re lifting the stigma, and helping me see my own bias towards people with schizophrenia or other mental illnesses.
He was lucky. These days, they'd stick him in a prison and let him work out his own recovery in solitary confinement 23 hours a day...
THIS IS NOT A REAL PATIENT. I researched the footage and found that it is a student acting the role for purposes of diagnosis. Again, not a real psychiatric patient.
It's pretty disgusting how they put him on display like that but then it was the 60's and people were very ignorant regarding mental health issues back then.
Really? @@John-ni1lt
Agree that the whole shooting style makes the viewer feel uncomfortable and wary. Also made worse by the overall behavior of catatonia which can seem unusual. But also - this was 60 years ago and whoever was behind the camera this wasn't considering the need for flattering filming. They maybe assumed this would only be for educational purposes, and not broadcast on mass media.
Also people talked very differently in the early 60's compared to today. The interviewer spoke differently as well. Times were more formal/rigid. I don't think they gave as much thought to optics and presentation in some ways, and in some ways even more thought was given to formality.
There's a post from someone claiming to be that persons niece, here is what was posted on Reddit about how that person ended up (unfortunately it's quite sad): "Someone posted this on a related website: This man was my uncle. I'm not going to give any names, but for those of you who are concerned with how things turned out for him, not well. There's so much to address here. First let me say that he was being treated in this video with meds. Without the medication his mood ranged from complete delusion to catatonic. As for being gay, I don't think he had much of a sex drive at all. With or without meds. As for the idea that he was put here because he was gay by some unloving family, that's ridiculous. I don't have time to say all the things my family tried just to make his existence somewhat peaceful just for his own sake. My family had a couple of openly homosexual and lesbians in it even back in the sixties and with the exception of my mother's father no one gave a shit. My uncle suffered with meds and even more without. After forty some odd years, most of which he spent in institutions, he took his own life by way of drug overdose. By the way, the comment about the plot twist, he never had a piano was funny because he didn't. His seeming obsession with piano came and went as did obsessions with religion, especially the Catholic Church and government. As far as I know he couldn't play a lick. He was very ill at his best and a living shell at his worst. I hope that answers some questions because that's all I have to say on the matter. He's been gone since the late eighties and I really hope that other members of my family don't see this video, mostly because of the comments from people that somehow think they understand him better than the people who suffered with him. One last thing, I think people thought that he was talking about sitting or standing effeminately or something. No, he was talking about sitting or standing motionless for hours. Usually not even his facial expression would change but when it did it was usually related to something in his mind only. I really can't begin to tell you all how heartbreaking the whole thing was. He did seem intelligent and with meds he did remind me of a high functioning guy with autism I once met."
@@carlinthomas9482 Very sad but entirely as one would expect. None of the behaviour which led to his diagnosis and in-patient treatment was shown in the video which is why it is worthless and misleading as a guide to anything.
@@jaycee6996 Yes, that was my thought as well, the video only shows a small snippet of their life and not much can be garnered from it.
I have to admit something here: I read your comment, got to the part of "this was 60 years ago" and immediately went all "DUDE she said FROM THE 60s not 60 years ago, it's not THAT old." and now I feel stupid. My mom is from the 60s and she is 60 years old, so I have no excuse.
Great idea to cover this video, Lauren!!! The catatonic person seemed really interesting. I like how he said, "I think people dislike me because I'm not exactly like they are." It's sad that others will dislike someone just because they are dissimilar, but that's the reality of it.
Well, it's not just dislike. People with severe illness can be frightening in their behavior and, in order to protect yourself, you avoid that person.
A lot of creative people feel this way because of ridicule they get from close people in their life. I think that when non creative people have felt this way at times as well because of certain perspectives pushed onto them.
THIS IS NOT A REAL PATIENT. I researched the footage and found that it is a student acting the role for purposes of diagnosis. Again, not a real psychiatric patient.
@@John-ni1ltI did some searching, and that’s not what I found. Could you share your source? Thank you.
No he can't provide proof nor can the others who make this claim. Such an odd thing to lie about.@@LucyBlue0823
My brother gets catatonic with his Schizoaffective Disorder. His first episode was in 2014 right before his second psych hospitalization at the age of 39. When you witness true Catatonia, it is really a sight to see! His limbs would get rigid and he had waxy flexiblity where you could bend his body parts and he would hold that position for hours until you move him again. If someone never saw him like this they would think that I was lying. My brother is currently inpatient on his 9th hospitalization and he's worse this time. Not catatonic but severly psychotic and aggressive, which is new for him. I believe the Risperdal Consta injection is not working anymore and he needs to go back to Invega Sustenna, which was great for him. I've worked as a clinician assistant in Mental Health, and have a degree in it so I have lots of experience in the field which helps with him.
I hope your brother is doing well. Personally i suffer from catatonic events and it is truly other worldly. My parents would think i had a brain injury. Having loved ones that support you is paramount. I’m so happy your brother has someone to support him.
I've been hospitalized for psychomotor retardation with my bipolar. Of course, the doctors just said I was being difficult or faking it because my personality changed so much. His speech patterns make total sense to me. I absolutely can follow.
My heart broke where you wrote "of course." So sorry you had this experience with your doctors.
I’m sorry. For what it’s worth I think you’re well spoken and you look beautiful in your picture. I hope you are doing okay.
Same here. And mine comes with lack of speech as well
Psychomotor retardation? What is that???
I was by my first psychiatrist visit ever. My psychologist referred me for diagnosis of BP2 PTSD and DID. I stormed off after the first 5 minutes. The was a fat f*** with his gold chains and rings. Immediately started laughing at me and accused me of googling my simptoms. Anyone who suspects that they are mentally ill is going to research their simptoms and see with what they can relate. I was so upset got home took an overdose of pain pills just so that I can sleep and stop crying. Why do they play with our lives like this. Maybe it's all BS and they just in it for the money
Thank you Lauren for your videos and thoughts. I am a mental health practitioner who is trauma-informed and has worked in a psychiatric hospital in addition to many other settings. I agreed with your reaction and wanted to add a few things in case it is helpful.
I agree that this was not an example of Catatonia as it is defined today. I don't know if it was defined differently in the 1960's or not. I would add that it's possible his delay in speech could have been due to internal stimuli (i.e.: hallucinations), but more actual assessment would need to occur. His affect was certainly flat. His reasoning did seem a bit askew, but not at all dangerous towards himself or others.
There is no information about why he was hospitalized, so it is possible he had improved significantly in the three months. For all we know he was about to get discharged. My only question would be - is he capable of caring for himself (ex: eating on his own, dressing on his own, showering on his own)...and this could easily be assessed.
It is true that often people who are experiencing some type of psychosis are also experiencing some type of dissociation (ex: blank spots in memory, or derealization, or depersonalization) simultaneously. These overlap often - and contribute to a person not remembering why they were hospitalized or what they were told in the hospital. It is difficult for practitioners working in hospitals because even though you may have had a full-on conversation with a client about why they were hospitalized, the client may not remember it later. This is frustrating but needs to be seen as a trauma reaction because it is even more difficult for the client. I think that this can be very traumatic for clients and is under-recognized in the psychology field.
Again, thank you Lauren for your videos. The information you provide is very succinct, informative, and accurate. I hope your work helps towards the destigmatization of Schizoaffective Disorder and Schizophrenia.
His niece said it all ended badly for him
I know what he's going through... my heart goes out to all of you who also battle this awful, debilitating disease.
To add some context to this video: Apparently this persons' niece mentioned on Reddit that her uncle never actually played the piano and that they were heavily medicated. I will post the Reddit post below (hopefully YT will allow a link). You can decide for yourself the validity of it.
"Someone posted this on a related website: This man was my uncle. I'm not going to give any names, but for those of you who are concerned with how things turned out for him, not well. There's so much to address here. First let me say that he was being treated in this video with meds. Without the medication his mood ranged from complete delusion to catatonic. As for being gay, I don't think he had much of a sex drive at all. With or without meds. As for the idea that he was put here because he was gay by some unloving family, that's ridiculous. I don't have time to say all the things my family tried just to make his existence somewhat peaceful just for his own sake. My family had a couple of openly homosexual and lesbians in it even back in the sixties and with the exception of my mother's father no one gave a shit. My uncle suffered with meds and even more without. After forty some odd years, most of which he spent in institutions, he took his own life by way of drug overdose. By the way, the comment about the plot twist, he never had a piano was funny because he didn't. His seeming obsession with piano came and went as did obsessions with religion, especially the Catholic Church and government. As far as I know he couldn't play a lick. He was very ill at his best and a living shell at his worst. I hope that answers some questions because that's all I have to say on the matter. He's been gone since the late eighties and I really hope that other members of my family don't see this video, mostly because of the comments from people that somehow think they understand him better than the people who suffered with him. One last thing, I think people thought that he was talking about sitting or standing effeminately or something. No, he was talking about sitting or standing motionless for hours. Usually not even his facial expression would change but when it did it was usually related to something in his mind only. I really can't begin to tell you all how heartbreaking the whole thing was. He did seem intelligent and with meds he did remind me of a high functioning guy with autism I once met."
I'm sceptical of the validity of the niece's story, I've seen another Reddit thread that claimed he is in his late 70s living happily with his wife and also someone sharing his apparent recount of this interview and that he went to prison but is now doing well. Then there are others who've pointed out that the opening credits indicate it's a university production and that he may actually be an actor, not a real patient. So who really knows. People can say anything on the internet, I guess.
@@amaranthx3627 Right, there's really no way to confirm the legitimacy of these claims.
@@carlinthomas9482 Any reason that no one got him a piano and lessons?
@@justjosie8963 Because he likely made the whole thing up. Though maybe it was still possible for him to be taught?
I was sectioned into a secure psychiatric psychosis ward in 2015 and do understand his careful choice of words. You are aware of everyday reality and the delusions are just sprinkled into that everyday reality. You have the insight to know that the delusions don't fit with your internal cognitive model of everyday reality and you realise how strange these would seem when describing to others, but still you are emotionally attached to these delusions. So you are careful how you express these to the psychiatrists as you know that it is they who have the authority to discharge you or hold you longer.
Totally agree.
I do know that in the original video, that some commenters had implied that he was trying to avoid the topic of possible "sitting" in a different way, maybe to allude to that some people thought he was presenting himself in an effeminate manner and that it might be gender identification or sexual orientation that he was avoiding discussing, which also would make sense for the time, and of course, which is unfortunate.
You're so right ,, I played my role so well when seeing my doctor while I was held , because I knew if I acted out in anyway or say the wrong thing he was going to keep me there longer
I completely agree and find your response helpful and validating to my own every day experience.
Agreed. The only thing my forced psych hospitalizations taught me was to be careful what I say and learn to lie better.
Crap, I can't even tell you my Ward story over internet.
The patient seemed gentle and very calm. He did, however, seem somewhat confused about his own situation and what led him to be in the hospital. I wonder what could have happened before that led to him being placed there. Is it possible that he had been behaving differently before? Also, I wondered if he was hearing or seeing something during the time it took for him to start to answer questions, especially when his eyes were moving about the room. I felt sad for his confusion but he didn't seem scary at all to me. I wish this guy well and hope that today he is receiving lots of care if that's what he needs. I imagine today there are better meds to help him feel less confused than were available back then. Hope he played the piano to his heart's content. P.S. Lauren, your compassion is beautiful and overflowing.
He seems so calm and collected. I wouldn’t be able to stay that calm and clear being asked questions like this over and over 😣
I suspect he was heavily medicated. Poor guy, I wonder if he was autistic. We have come a long way in understanding autism however we still have a long way to go.
It's the catatonia that makes him act like that
I would have told the shrink that he was crazy. Heck, poor fellow looks scared to death.
@@bruceportersr9880 The shrink is not crazy, the man needs help
THIS IS NOT A REAL PATIENT. I researched the footage and found that it is a student acting the role for purposes of diagnosis. Again, not a real psychiatric patient.
I absolutely adore Lauren’s voice. It’s so calming. She does such a wonderful job on all of her videos!
I absolutely adore EVERYTHING about Lauren. If only she could see me for who I truly am, then maybe we could spend our lives together.
@@barneyronnie Hahaha
Hi Lauren, I didn't get a chance to watch the whole video, but as a therapist I'm really glad you did this, and it's so wonderful that the internet gives folks the opportunity to have metacommentaries on older film footage by someone with lived experience.
Lauren, thank you for your channel and the great content/commentary/insight you provide. I am finishing up my PhD on the topic of schizophrenia and some of your content has been very interesting and helpful. You also just seem like a very nice person to speak to, so keep up the good work and for your help in raising awareness about this topic
finish your degree, enter the vast sea, swim with the sharks, smiles for miles, stress, depiction of reality, embracement day in day out, when did you succeed? when you took off the mask? when you got your phd, when you took your first steps? when you smoked some weed.. where did you fail? what did you see? what was the tail... who planted the seed? its great you are trying, belief that you are free, do what you love, that's enough from me. - controlling your life will forever lead you to the end. Do you wish to find the end, do you wish for happiness first? You wish for equality, peace and love and family, humility. this we all seek, our eyes of many different colours will show us in different ways. You wish to help, i wish to be helped but you cannot help me so how could i help you? by being me... and your insight is supposed to set us free? why? why you...and not me. eyes are the secret. I have the secret that is shared in the every day, and viewed by everyone, but understood by so few. You see my brother has autism disorder, my friend of many years also, autism. And i can say safely, if you share your kindness to those who are willing to embrace it, then, you have your connection to greatness. To greater. To some may say the connection to "god". this may go with confusion in your mind, this may go miss-understood. i say, clearly. God is a concept, true, but a concept. How will God judge so many men/women if it is never here/conscious? through the eyes of his most vulnerable, to view how his strongest treat there power. If you have wealth, share to those who don't, if you have food then feed. if you have insight share what you know. If you have love... give your love. If you have hate you will want to share your hate, why shouldn't you? because it is not yours to give, true or false, hate is gained by a reflection of the surroundings meaning if i throw a stone in the water i have to jump in and retrieve it? no let it go. mental health, I'll give you a hint... Mental health issues are brought up when the user loses control of there focus and there ability to continue. most notably the stereotyped of a lunatic going nuts, rambling... well that is known as a unraveling mind, and when you have no zen, no peace of mind, you will instantly be deemed a mad man. Well. why does teh mind unravel? To reveal. You see?
so, there are many layers to this cake, i can not take up too much of your time, for more layered reasons. You see.
life works in fundamental patterns, i will not claim to know them all. but what i will claim to have noticed, is layers and perspective.
so what happens when you peel all the layers of an onion? you get to... the centre? ah but there be no center, otherwise where did the onion start?
same goes for mentality.
try asking an insane person,
and when did all this start?
they would say a date perhaps if you was to be lucky, but, an explanation of there insanity comes out as either jibberish or nonsense either-way you look at it.
why is that?
Well its quite simple if you do the maths.
if you were to unroll a load of bin bags, at what point would you question your actions, and then, would you remember what the first bin bag felt like?
no,
it felt the same as every other bag.
so although you were there for 2 hours unravelling this mass of black plastic,
not one single action was unique to another.
you lost it,
too many points to concentrate on.
a mess.
thats what it is, aha,
all these bin bags.
funny word isn't it bin bag.
not even black bag. this is fundamental human nature, but notice the difference in fundamental human nature and fundamental nature?
importance. that's what that feeling was.
you just noticed something very important.
Now your stuck asking the questions. digging a hole, but your supposed to be filling a hole.
as the beatles put it "fixing a hole where the rain gets in that stops my mind from wandering, where it will go"
so. Do you get it now?
you can spend eternity either unravelling bin bags, or trying to concentrate on why your unravelling bin bags, or perhaps your one of the ones who never picked any bags up.. thinking, i wish i had more bin bags. Or in a "third world country " thinking, "water for my family, food for 1 meal this week, i need to find." no room to think about concepts, just carnal living.
where would we be headed if the great minds of this world where advertising anything other than calm love, also known as peace amongst people.
when the Dalai lama sits in calm,
and the one who carries angry sits next to him,
this has no effect on the Dalai lama,
is it because he is immune?
that would make him un human
is it because he is insane?
that would be ridiculous.
is it because he has control over his emotions,
that would be sure.
there is no lesson in our life that you have to pay for.
yes, you will work,
but what defines work,
only the most vague description.
when you find what you are looking for,
you will see,
it was never hidden.
no corners, no walls.
just you and your karma.
the road is a long one.
many believe they will surely die before completion.
you may not see the irony.
but I knw you feel it.
That, is the lesson.
Good night.
Wonder how the Dali Lama would react if he was hung on a cross to die for our sins. He's just a man who is good at relaxing.
@@mrfake675 well you see, how would he react? this is a question for the ego. He is just a man. Relaxation will be a part of his life as it is in all of ours. If you can't harness yours we are not to blame. If the dalai lama was to be executed, let's hope not as that is vile to wish upon anyone, then i'm sure he would understand that an intrusive energy can not be stopped with no energy. because the buddha can defend him self, if he feels so necessary, but also the buddha would know that a sacrifice is only a sacrifice in the eyes of the beholder of the knife. how can 1 man fight off the entire roman army?? He can't. why the fuck do you think us "dreamers" "jokers" "hippies" "druggies" don't like the corporation and organizations? because it is abuse of power. The reason the Vikings weren't supposed to scream during an execution was because they won't get into Valhalla (nirvana) and why do you think that is? Because there soul would not have been at peace in that case, why do you think the buddha is always at peace? ... and if he was to be attacked as john Lennon was and did shout "i've been shot" he didn't die straight away... so he had time to find his peace before his untimely demise. little hint. If i was you i would stop thinking your greater than anything because all you are is a bag of bones slowly decomposing as we speak. If you can't get chill with that and RELAX then your well your you... :) may you have mercy on your soul.
That's great, but schizophrenia is a long way from being understood.
@@barneyronnie very long waaaay. Bc I know when I'm having episodes. It's sad when a person knows they are tripping but can't stop it
You express yourself very eloquently Lauren. I'm pretty dumb by comparison and have issues with structuring verbal statements. Well done.
you're being hard on yourself, not dumb. I have same problem speaking and making sense it is very frustrating to me. at some times i have more clarity of thought but other times i do feel rather stupid. But i think thought deficit is part of this diagnosis. Sometimes i can't think of words or forget meanings of everyday words it's really confusing. So, i hope no one is calling you dumb, because that is unfortunate and unfair. I had a psychiatrist call me 'stupid' because of my response and it really distressed me and hurt me. ...asked me to explain what' a rolling stone gathers no moss,' and i guess i was too literal and couldn't fathom any other meaning....
Anthony!!! Do not call yourself dumb!
I have a hard time expressing myself as well. And I was an English major!
Did you see that Bruce Willis has to retire from making movies? It is because he has a cognitive illness and he cannot remember lines or speak well anymore. And he is far from dumb!
Not everyone has a gift for the gab. You have other gifts.
Maybe you are more comfortable with mathematics, rather than verbal thinking/ expression?
Thank you soooo much for making this video!! I’ve seen his interview a few times and you sharing your thoughts was so helpful in interpreting his experiences
Well done Lauren very much to the point and honest. You defiantly should write a book
Definitely*
Your comments are very insightful as usual. Getting into what it means to be "normal" or "insane" is a thorny philosophical question. In everyday activities where this young man would have to interact with people who aren't as patient and caring as you are there could be some chance that he would get into trouble. I suspect that if he was able to live among well-educated and sensitive people from a similar background he'd be fine in that sort of sheltered or protected environment, but that if he had to scrape out a living at the margins he might not do so well. It's hard to find a safe environment for people who are very "different" from higher functioning people from all walks of life.
My great uncle had a mental breakdown while at war. He was sent to a mental health hospital for a number of years....actually it was one they did experiments on patience with LSD. Not sure if he was experimented on. Upon release he lived with his sister (great aunt). He was very quiet and spent his life walking countryside roads all day. Sadly he was hit by a car.
MKUltra?
I’m sorry for your loss
It’s unlikely he was given LSD in a mental hospital. LSD is actually very helpfully for people with PTSD and autism if they are in the right environment. Unfortunately, people often instead further traumatize people by locking them up and numb them with anti-depressants that just make others feel more comfortable.
I am so sorry.
@@JDMimeTHEFIRST Yes they tried LSD. It was a long time ago but it happened to frequently. It wasn't called a drug back then. It was experimental. Horrible.
I do not have schizophrenia, I do have ADHD & anxiety, I've had severe depression, several years ago I voluntarily entered a behavioural health centre for a month. I'm interested in psychology, I've watched quite a few videos on the subject including the one you are talking about! When I watched it i felt sorry for the patient! He obviously has issues, but I would say the biggest issue is society view of him! We have come a long way, but we have still have a way to go! People like you, being honest & talking about your life & struggles are raising awareness & acceptance! Keep up the great work!
These type of videos have helped me understand my wife so much better. ABOUT 4 years ago I still didn't understand her, the I started to look around then I found this video, it kind if scared me, then I found these videos and my marriage has never been better, got more interested in her care
We've been married 12 years now
@@michealwilson8963 what does She have?
The professor of my clinical psychology class somehow also had a preference for those really old videos. However he did not choose this video to show us for schizophrenia and instead showed us a few videos from the channel "psychology case files". They're from the 80's and and the interviews there are staged completely differently. Way more eye leveled with a very neutral interviewer who is pretty good at getting information out of the patients. Of course it still needs to be seen in context of its time but the videos are pretty interesting.
Thanks for the recommendation.
People make fun of him due to his posture. This is why he is saying people dislike him it's not a delusion. Bullying, making fun of people can be found everywhere especially when they look and act differently from others.
Indeed and agreed. So that part at least may have basis in reality. He DOES 'tell the truth', somewhat.
This video gives me an impression of "confess your crimes", "say that you are mentally ill so we can have a justification to feel that we are helping you! and you need us!". But we all participate in this, don't we? Even the family members, we have created cages to put people I mean "treat them". Something is wrong, I feel this video just depicts the way we treat ourselves, just pointing the finger at other people and trying to fix them, what are we going to fix? At what point did we start to make a living out of the suffering of other people? But that is why we have psychiatrists and doctors to fix us, right? This is so disempowering and sad that as humanity we all participate in this, something has to change in the way we see ourselves! I appreciate the last words of Lauren saying that living with schizophrenia is more than this. The way we treat people is the same way we treat ourselves!
I have seen this video before and his delay in response reminds me of my son.
But he is answering the questions asked of him so his comprehension is there.
It saddens me 💔 the stigma of this illness
I may be projecting and I'm not dx'd as schiz. but I get the impression that there is so much going on in his head and then he has to come back to a basic answer the doctor might understand.
I had a psychiatrist tell me I couldn't have a disorder I thought I had because I wasn't disruptive enough. I had to be my own friggin' therapist for four years. Then I was officially diagnosed and thought it would get better. Nope. I can't afford to pay for private care (nor do I really want to as the last TEN therapists I've had haven't helped).
The Alberta provided care is nowhere where the recommendations are for treating my disorder. I literally feel on my own and my psychiatrist was offended that I said that. I was like, you call me for five minutes every couple of months. Oh yeah. I feel supported. And do you know what?! He never called me for my appointment and hasn't returned any of my calls.
It's insane how mental health professionals treat people with mental illness. And that's in EDMONTON! It's so so so so so so much worse in rural areas.
They get one bad patient and then they treat the others like idiots for years after that. Professionals can seem disconnected because they can't understand what you go through. I feel for you don't give up and keep trying to find someone who suits you.
So sorry you are going through that. Mental health care is not a priority in the US either . You can't get an appointment for mental health care for three months but you can get a gun at your local wall Mart before lunch in any small town.
@@blackthornsloe8049 facts.
he's not really catatonic, but there is thought blocking, speech latency and quite a bit of paranoia. he seems like a nice person who really needs help.
He is catatonic tho
He was clearly trained as a mentat, but had a psychotic break during training. I went through this training, but fortunately retained my concept of self, even during the most intense phases of being challenged about notions of 'reality.'
thought blocking would be stopping mid sentence and not able to recover the rest of the words. he may have had poverty of thought or slowed thinking.
@@zoeyelhcouldn't this be from "meds"?
Needed help. He killed himself in the 80s.
I love your interpretation of this. Interrogation style questioning by doctors can be very stressful.
Lauren is right. This man looks like a victim of a vicious system.
I like her compassion.
Psychiatric hospitals are self sustaining businesses. It is in their interest to hospitalise people. They just make money out of it. A vacant bed, makes just an excuse to find another patient.
Well the concept is to warehouse people who aren’t doing well “ in town” as opposed to help the community by helping the individuals in it who need help to be part of the community.
Keep in mind he's heavily medicated. Out on his own things might be very different. There have been many instances of people being killed by homeless psychotics and schizophrenics in NYC and LA in recent years. It's not a simple solution of just 'mainstreaming' everyone. And now California, Oregon and Washington are putting up homeless people with severe mental illness and substance use problems in high dollar real estate at taxpayer expense to fend for themselves. It's a mess.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 The statistics on whose psychosis leads to violence has to do with upbringing just like anyone who finds anti-social methods to deal with their issues. It would be cool if Lauren actually did a segment on that.
@@jacquelineleitch7050 Mental illness is deeply related to childhood trauma. I know this from experience.
I have schizoaffective bipolar. My first big psychosis involved a musical delusion. I didn't actually want to be in a band or play in front of people or anything like that. Just God telling me through the radio etc that he wanted me to become some sort of guitar messiah. I've always had a fair amount of insight--like I was living in two worlds, sometimes I knew I was delusional, sometimes I didn't. Not sure if it counts as a delusion of grandeur, I didn't want to be a guitar messiah, the idea of all that attention was horrifying, I just wanted to learn to play the guitar. A while back I was looking at the 'special interests' in autism. A similar drive for a particular subject might be called hyperfocus in ADHD, or maybe obsessive or compulsive interest in bipolar. I'm sure there are other terms for this in schizophrenia, but the one I've come across is 'pathological hobby' which I find really insulting. This fellow's interests were genuinely his, delusional or not.
There are so many overlaps and degrees of intensity for these disorders. I fortunately don't have Schizophrenia, but I have Stage 2 Bipolar or Cyclothymia, just like my dad (he's a lawyer, btw, so it's not always a social death sentence). I also have ADHD (sometimes with hyper-focus; I will sometimes lose myself in things I am interested in for hours, sometimes days at a time (video games, books, a documentary series)). Sometimes, my mood will totally change on a dime, I'll go on a verbal tear for 5-15 minutes, and then calm down and go back to "normal." Sometimes it's myself thinking about things and I go off; sometimes someone will say something or do something. It's unconscious.
I know I require more discipline. I have to consciously, physically stop myself, and it doesn't always work. My family are saints with their endless patience with me. If I didn't have that support network, I can guarantee my disorders would have deteriorated without them, possibly to physical abuse to myself or others, and possibly even prison. These folks need Support and medical and mental health HOSPITALS; not prisons or the Street. Or the Grave. Or Nurse Ratchet, lol.
One last note. Keep in mind, this was 1961. World War 2 had ended a mere sixteen (16) years before. Patience was thin with the folks in power. In their mind, if you want to do something, like learn to play the piano, just go do it. Why is there a problem? So, be patient with the doctor as well. He probably went through some sort of trauma himself during that time. Maybe he was in the war, maybe he lost a son or a loved one in the war. You never know.
P.P.S.: I heard on NPR the story of a millionaire who took advantage of his ADHD. He was super-focused on the things he cared about. So he focused on ways to make money, lol.
‘Schizoafective bipolar’ is schizoaffective disorder.
THIS IS NOT A REAL PATIENT. I researched the footage and found that it is a student acting the role for purposes of diagnosis. Again, not a real psychiatric patient.
@@John-ni1lt what link? Someone said that at the end, the credits said “class project” or something, to which he clarified that it doesn’t mean acting. I agree with that. Where are your sources for it being a student acting?
My great aunt was being treated in a state mental hospital during this time, lord knows what kind of treatments were available it had to be brutal. The rights of the patient weren't exactly top priority, far from it.
My mom have schizophrenia, i was 15 when the doctor told our family and im 40 now but she is doing very fine now . Thank you very so much for your videos 😊🇸🇪
I think he was so shiny bc he was probably breaking a sweat with those lights shining down so close on him! I didn't even really notice the lights were like that until you stopped to talk about it at 2:40 I actually already watched this video (of the young man in this video quite a while ago) I have watched alot of these older videos that came from the same channel this video came from.
I admire this fellow due to his eloquence, being a good listener and retaining some semblance of dignity. That's rare these days.
I appreciate your take on this so much!! I've worked with several clients with schizophrenia and other related diagnoses. I haven't ever been short and almost rude like this interviewer is; however, your take on this is giving me more encouragement to show even more compassion and gentleness to my clients.
Really glad you've covered this. When I was younger and still had alot of trauma related to the symptoms I had growing up I saw this video online but couldn't watch it, or other videos like this, especially of children as it was too triggering. I can now, thanks to therapy and people like yourselves who have made mental health problems less scary. This video didn't challenge the view that people with mental health issues are a bit "weird", "other", scary or otherworldly x
Thank you as always for your compassionate “take” on the situation.
The psychiatrist's tone is quiet & conveys compassion. It was a different era back then with less understanding & treatments for mental health problems. The stigma was more than today. So for a doctor of that time I think he did well. I agree with you Lauren that this man being interviewed did very well considering the challenges was experiencing.
Doctors in different fields even today can slip up momentarily & come across as short, snappy, frustrated with our symptoms. If in the next sentence they go back to a more compassionate tone they've checked themselves. These old videos from the 50s & 60s are still confronting. I'm also someone with lived experience of mental disorder. Thank you Lauren for your channel.
The field of psychiatry was advanced enough then to understand schizophrenia and the symptoms of it. By this time Freud had already established modern psychology decades earlier and there was an accurate understanding of mental illness. Dr. Carl Jung had already successfully treated people with schizophrenia through his analytical psychotherapy approach. There weren't many pharmacological treatments though, and some theories of that time on the genesis of mental illness were later abandoned. Even today we often still don't have the answers to successfully treating severe mental illnesses.
@@katehenry6666 I agree however remember how much less they knew back then. Part of the snappiness is trying to sort out what/where the problem is. My own family member was not as lucid as this person was and would have reacted much more negatively. Remember that they did not have the drugs that they have now. It is great that Lauren can describe what is going on and lend understanding so we all can improve.
When they attempt to convey compassion that's when a psych is at their most dangerous and you have to be on your guard. It's the old good cop/bad cop. They want you to lower your guard and tell them anything that they can use to justify the hold order.
Thank you for your reaction to this video. It's only been within the past five years that I've been formally diagnosed with a schizophrenia/bipolar disorder. I'm still trying to make sense of things and, for me, it's comforting and validating to listen to someone else within the same sphere mirror what I feel as well. On one hand I feel fortunate my diagnosis came later in life as I was already a father by then because it made it easy, for me at least, to compartmentalize that and recognize that my biggest echo chamber was my children. Some days are an absolute struggle. TODAY is one of those days, and this video was a blessing. Your approach and tone is very comforting, which is HUGE when you don't even want to hear your own voice discussing your inner issues. Thank you, and to anyone struggling with the same, hug from a stranger; you got this.
I'm so happy you did this video review because I have felt the same way for so long. I feel as though this man has been treated so wrong and find it so disgusting. Welcome to the world of Doctors. Whatever they say is fact. I don't think so. They have been wrong so many times but because they're Dr's they get away with it. How absolutely disgusting.
That express on your face. It shows me how you feel. Even with the meds and audience I still see that dark, dark depressed empty mood. I'm glad you still put out the videos for us. Love you.
Lauren you are such a good person thanks for this and other content
Just found your channel and I love it! Thank you for breaking the stigma surrounding mental illness. Having a diagnosis doesn't mean you are a horrible or dangerous person.
Most of the comments on the video were very positive towards the patient. I personally didn't find him or the video to be creepy. If you go back far enough you can't judge people the exact same way as you would judge people in 2022. This is not the same as excusing, downplaying or supporting the old behaviors, just accepting that this is the way things were sometimes done in the 60's by well meaning mental health professionals.
In 2122 who knows what kinds of things we all do now with a clear conscience will be looked at as barbaric? Each generation changes and improves, and progress seems both fast and slow at the same time depending on how you look at it. Medicine, mental health and human rights have improved by leaps and bounds since the 60's but there is still room for so much more improvement.
Thanks for making this video. I've seen the video you reacted to in my recommendeds for awhile but avoided it because of the topic combined with the time period. I'm glad I watched it with your reaction, though. It was still sad, but it helped to have some insight into the patient side of things.
Remember that these videos were made for mental health professionals to get an idea of some presentations of various mental health illnesses. They basically just sat these folks down with someone (a psychiatrist, if I remember correctly) who intends to draw out the full person they're interviewing, to the degree its possible. Yep, sometimes they're absolutely wrong with the way they're trying to draw them out, but they were still learning to see them as people to sympathize with. Heck, some still haven't learned that. And there's a longer video around although I don't have a link. I saw the longer one first about six-ish years ago.
These break my heart. There are several of these for various conditions. I think it would be important for students to watch these to fully understand what their profession has based itself on and how much they still don't know. As someone with a mental illness, I've run across a few folks who don't actually understand.
I have seen this video before and i couldn’t get through it because i didn’t understand what i was watching the unsettling nature of the video was really upsetting. Thank you for explaining this more and helping me understand. I can see this man in a completely different light. I understand my ignorance now!! You are doing an amazing job educating people!! Thank you!!
I hope he found love and happiness. I don't have this illness, but I can relate in some ways and really feel for him.
Thank you so much for sharing this video and your response to it. I agree with everything you’ve said about the interview in the video. I don’t have a schizoaffective spectrum disorder myself, but I can relate to the power differential you’ve described and found the interview to be triggering for that reason. How the interviewer handled himself in the interview was offensive, and I can imagine I would have personally struggled to say as much in that situation, too. I’m so glad you clarified how times have changed tremendously. A 3 month hospitalization is almost unheard of now in the US unless there’s been a threat of self harm or harm to others or a court order for those things has been put in place. Thanks again for a great video!
Your hair!!! I love it!! The color suits you very well!!
So interesting hearing your perspective, and the empathy and understanding you bring to this awkward situation.
I do wonder if he was hospitalized for other reasons than just how he presented. Like maybe his father just felt that he would never be able to live on his own and didn't want his son staying with him, so he just lodged him in a mental hospital for the rest of his life. It would also explain why he was there for so long.
Thank you for your review, Lauren. You're amazing.
Is it possible he is gay? "They don't like how I stand or sit at the piano" says alot. It never made clear if he really could play or if this was a delusion that he could. He seems articulate enough and a bit guarded as a person in those days might be if they were. Maybe the slower communication was from being on meds. I agree though, he didn't fit the criteria of Catatonic Schizophrenia you listed. Also if his Dad and Doctors put him there I'm wondering if they thought he could be "fixed". I hope he survived whatever happened after that and became a piano instructor.
...this was exactly what I thought while watching - his confused state might also have to do with a pathologized and repressed homosexuality back in those days and the feeling to be viewed as "different" and "wrong" then would become very comprehensible ...
Someone claiming to be a niece said he couldn't play the piano at all. The reason, "how he sits at the piano" was wrong is because he was completely gone and there was no piano. He was never well enough to learn and medication did not work well for him. He eventually took his own life. He had a brother who was gay and a cousin who was lesbian so the relative thought homosexuality would have been so much easier for the family to accept.
I had a great aunt like this. She was never free from the cycles of hospitals and medications that rarely worked well. She was unfortunately one of the rare few who was prone to violence and eventually committed suicide by cop.
Thank you for not being biased by the knowledge you have on the matter and on the video!
I feel I have a hard time communicating or relaying information with my brother who has schizophrenia. sometimes I catch him wide awake at 3 am in the living room with little lighting and he’s just there sitting and looking at nothing and sometimes mumbling and makes weird noises with his voice. I ask him if he’s okay and he just always and I mean always says “I’m okay” but I feel like he’s not like why would he be doing this? I want to be supportive but don’t know how to talk to get him to talk about what he’s feeling or how I can help. He’s definitely gotten better since we switched doctors and the doctor gave him better medications suited for him but when he’s off his med even for a day he is full blown out weird and scary with his actions and verbal sounds of gibberish. In the beginning he denied and refused he had a problem and wouldn’t take the meds but now I think he realizes it’s helping him a lot and takes it all the time or sometimes I notice a difference if he’s off it. How can I get him to open up and talk about it I don’t want to offend him since before he got schizo he was a very violent and borderline psychopathic before his illness really flared up in the surface.
Great video! I could never watch the original despite it being consistently pushed at me. Your commentary made it so, so easy to watch. I was wondering how this man would feel, hearing your commentary, experiencing your kind, accepting, gentle approach to his condition - to HIM.
His behavior may be because of the medication he was on. They were very strong at that time.
I wondered about that, too. It seemed as if he was trying to coherently put together his words through a fog of medication.
I first saw this interview with this man years ago. I can't help viewing it. I feel like this man is articulate and speaks well. I feel exactly like you do he shouldn't have been there. I feel like his rich family was fed up with him and put him in there. It seems he's maintaining as best he can but really should never have been there. I feel bad for him.
Thank you for this. Would you do more evaluations of this particular video series along with commentary on how the patients would be evaluated and treated by today’s standards? They reveal old judgmental attitudes that are harmful. I too thought this patient was not catatonic. Having your voice out here to weigh in on these issues is important. Maybe do a collab with someone who has the illness and/or a psychiatrist (maybe a professor) who can explain? You could do these via Zoom, webinar style. But I think they are popular because they show what the patient is like when unwell. It would be helpful to have a section that lists what to look for if you suspect a loved one is struggling. When is it time to take them to see a doctor vs to the hospital? How can a caretaker convince authorities that their loved one is sick? So they will not be taken to jail instead of the hospital?
I think the positive about showing this video, is the general population thinks Catalonia is more like a coma, where you can pose a person and they stay in that pose. There is also hyperactive Catalonia which I observed where I work in the mental health field.
Love the hair color!❤
That entire video was triggering, and my heart breaks for this person and the countless others who suffered through the type of "treatment" throughout the past.
Thank you for these videos. I recently met someone who has Schizophrenia, and I am trying to learn how I can be a supportive friend.
I thought the "catatonia" was referring to the several moments of complete disassociation. When he was asked a question, it looked as though he was completely checking out, and then a few seconds later it looked like he woke up with a gasp, like someone squirted him with a water gun and answered. It was very unsettling for me to watch, and I really appreciate your take on this.
I was unsettled because I could see that his mind completely disengage, like he was hovering in that moment before his head dropped and he was asleep, but then would click back in and sometimes he would understand the interviewer's question and sometimes he wouldn't. There were several moments where he clearly was not listening, but then he would have a rational answer when he came back and it was almost like something was listening for him while he wasn't there.
As someone who has been a psychiatric hospital short term, I think the video can be a valuable teaching tool in a way. We just didn't have the knowledge that we do now in terms of medical and psychiatric care.....even medications that were used (if any) to try and help treat those with mental illness was HIGHLY experimental. Even the interviewing and therapy techniques at this time were still in the baby stages of development. I actually find it quite interesting.
Did anyone else feel that perhaps there was a lot going on behind the scenes of this man's 'diagnosis'? Could it be some type of scenario such as he was a very artistic child and young man and not interested in sports or other pursuits that his father thought 'normal' and so was taken to psychiatrists in the hope that they would change his types of interests? Could he have been on some kind of medication at the time of the interview that slowed his responses? I'm very suspicious of the interviewer/doctor and his questioning. I also thought he was quite articulate but knew to keep some things to himself in order to protect himself. It was very upsetting to watch. I wonder whatever happened to this young man.
I agree. I feel like this video was to "teach" other doctors how to diagnose gay or more feminine men as schizophrenic
That was one of the most moving things I have ever seen.
Anyone should feel uncomfortable about the interviewer's demeanor and questioning of this young man. It is truly disturbing to see it. Agree with your analysis though I didn't feel the young man was in any way delusional. He was quite aware that others saw him as different and may have picked up that they didn't really like him or didn't take the time and effort to try to get ot know him and accept him as he was.
HATS OFF TO YOU for making such A superb Video - Sixty or so years ago when Second generation Anti psychological medicines were NOT available!!! - However, Video Does Give impressions that - patient had A strong Block regarding How people Feel HOW inferior he feels in comparison to others - many preconceived Notions - un challenged / imagined situation!!
Anyways - Very happy that you DID SUCH A CREATIVE analysis Of the sixty years old interview !!!
Thanks so much for this. Others thoughts are also occurring to me - he may have been heavily medicated, I get a very strong sense he is also Autistic, and he may also have been gay (at a time when society still viewed homosexuality as 'deviant' behaviour, and treated gay people with suspicion.). He's also likely to be Gifted. Some, or a combination of these, may also have made him feel, or seem, 'different' from others.
You're an Earth angel 🤝🏻❤ im so glad that you think outside the box ☑️ amazing how you explain yourself very well 🙌🏽 ty for sharing this stay blessed ❤️ this woman is amazing!
This video was appalling. The interview was an interrogation and seemed to be at times aggressive. The patient reminded me of individuals on the autistic spectrum. The person interviewed may have been on anti-psychotics at the time of the interview which can cause "brain fog". This video without explanation or any clear context is a disgrace and should not be circulated.
I agree with what u wrote and was going to comment something similar, but u explained it way better.
According to a relative, they were very heavily medicated, and sadly they experienced more severe symptoms when they weren't medicated.
I am autistic and omg yes, I relate so hard to the patient. For whatever reason, whether schizophrenia, medication, autism, or all of the above, he seems to be communicating very similarly to how I do when I’m shut down & struggling to be verbal. And being seemingly disliked for reasons you don’t really understand… fixating on something someone said maybe about the way you stand weird, or just aren’t like other people… yeah, i can really relate to this guy.
@@KellyCDB Hi , I am married to an Autistic man and I can appreciate what you have said. It can be hard seeing him struggle with some things and excel at so many others.....He has taught me a LOT about neuro diversity....and about how difficult it can be to understand neuro typical folk like myself......
It was theater. Propaganda to paint Schizophrenia in a bad light. When historically those with Schizophrenia were geniuses. John Nash is a fine example.
i completely understand where he says people dislike him for sitting at the piano wrong. i feel like i’m doing everything wrong ( walking, sitting, standing )
Lauren, please write a book for psychiatrists.
I feel so much compassion for this man who is clearly having difficulty with his illness, whether long term or an episode, and trying to respond to his difficulties as best as he can. Psychosis is one of the last major bastions of mental health awareness and I feel extreme empathy towards the community and individuals who live with it.
I don’t feel like the doctor is being particularly needling, and is keeping his tone calm and his questions measured without any overly distinct emotionality; I feel like strong verbal tones or inflections can be extra sensory information for someone vulnerable to try to interpret. Flat questions with good opportunity to respond in his own time, completely open ended for any response, without inferences.
I get secondhand anxiety for people who are vulnerable due to mental illness who are given an even slightly hostile experience in situations like this. Especially when psychosis and schizophrenia is so stigmatised and even now misunderstood.
We also have to consider how many of his symptoms and his behavior in this video is from his schizophrenia, and how much is the medications they had him on. Especially back then when they were still making new drugs that he may have been on
100%
"The Lass" of the mocked Sinners.
I thoroughly enjoyed watching the video and-- the inspiration that it's given for the day ❤
I always thought he was homosexual and was put in a mental institution thinking they could "treat" him for it. At this time shock therapy was big and medications could account for some of his behaviors plus going through such abuse and pressure because of his sexual orientation would make him feel the need to be vague.
My son gets electroconvulsive therapy
Someone else said he may be gay and I thought it was a stretch, but the more I watch I think there may be something to it. A gay man, rejected by his family, and perhaps already given electro shocks and lots of drugs. I wonder.
Honours psych student and couldn't agree more. Current studies (in Australia at least) teach that the client is the expert of themselves from the outset - No one knows more about them than themselves! And if symptoms aren't negatively affecting their ability to navigate the world and maintain their own health, there's no call for drastic measures. Meet the client where they are, and if they aren't in danger, address the symptoms raised by the client and help alleviate and concerns or distress they might have. There's a lot of older schooling that employs treatment and medication where it isn't necessary, there's no need to treat symptoms and behaviours that aren't problematic for the client unless it's negatively impacting wellbeing or the safety of the client and/or others.
Lauren, I wonder if you could track him down and do a youtube interview with him to see how he is doing at the present time. He is probably still alive today.
He ended up taking his life :(
He would be 80 years old minimum…
@@erinh.1236 Not to mention people with schizophrenia have a reduced life expectancy. Especially back then.
So sad.
Thank you for discussing this video and sharing your thoughts :) As much as I like watching those old videos, I get the feeling that patients are retroactively being exploited for clicks and sensationalism, so I appreciate your approach. I hope this man got to play the piano in peace for the rest of his life. I hate the interviewer/doctor and the way he talks to the patient, snaps at him, dismisses him and sounds accusatory. If this is the tone in front of a camera, imagine how this man was dismissed and insulted when no camera was there.
I saw an article recently about "renaming schizophrenia." Would love to hear your thoughts on that!
Hmmm...Interesting. I think it could be helpful to untangling the stigma.
The word is simply a medical diagnosis. The condition itself is what is stigmatized. Changing the name of the medical condition will only eventually lead to that word also having negative connotations. We need to tackle the root of the issue, which is that mental health disorders are socially stigmatized. Changing the name is like applying a bandaid to a gaping wound.
If you rename it, that new name will just become a stigmatized word pretty soon anyway. Unless it's because it's misleading in that people mix it up with DID because of its root words, in that case I might agree.
A psych for sore minds just did a review recently and it was really interesting. I think you also give a good insight of what it must be like on the receiving end of this illness.
He’s actually interpreting responses accurately, nothing is wrong with him, he’s trying something different, which is mindfulness. He’s very patient, not delusional in perception. He’s being perceptive to his feelings. He’s actually telling you exactly what he’s doing. Of course it’s unusual because most of us don’t do it.
So what games do you play?
Yes he has very good communication skills and is responding well but to say nothing is wrong with him would be an exaggeration I believe
I honestly believe that he has feminine tendencies and the father didn't like it. So he got him a psychiatrist that would explain the "difference" because he simply can't be accepted. So he is told he's schizophrenic, delusional and highly medicated.
Youre right with the slight delay in answering but I admire his answers I feel so sorry for this gentle guy I'd love to know who he is/was and what happened to him? 😔😔😞😞😢😢
Hi. I think this Doctor is very cold curt and down right rude. He is not s good interviewer He could be
Gentler and kinder in his mannerism
I’ve had catatonia like this, where I could communicate very slowly but my body was almost frozen, what would that be called? I think there’s different levels of the catatonia. But I’m not doctor I just experience that freezing body with my schizophrenia. I have also had the kind where I can’t communicate or move. I enjoy your videos so much Lauren I learn a lot about myself with your videos. Thank you for sharing
I'm vaguely worried that he might be right like they might make conditions worse for him because such hospitals especially in the past could be not great places to be
I think some context is missing. The interview was from 1961. I suggest people watch a British movie from 1961 called 'The victim.' It could clarify why he was so reluctant to give away too much detail about himself and why his father and others were critical of the way he sat, which I think is a euphemistic way of saying that they thought he was effeminate.
The guy is an ACTOR! I’ve seen him on a western. He isn’t actually a person who was living with schizophrenia. The tell is in the beginning of the video. It’s a Motion picture from the THEATRE ARTS Department in Los Angeles, CA! It is an actor portrayal! I’m surprised this wasn’t caught by the TH-camr.
In the Description of the original video: „a student representing…“. Yeah, she should mention that.
I looked up the original video and it doesnt say that its from a theatre department? where did you find that
This what I found. A niece that claims to know him. It sounds pretty legit.
This man was my uncle. I'm not going to give any names, but for those of you who are concerned with how things turned out for him, not well. There's so much to address here. First let me say that he was being treated in this video with meds. Without the medication his mood ranged from complete delusion to catatonic. As for being gay, I don't think he had much of a sex drive at all. With or without meds. As for the idea that he was put here because he was gay by some unloving family, that's ridiculous.I don't have time to say all the things my family tried just to make his existence somewhat peaceful just for his own sake.
My family had a couple of openly homosexual and lesbians in it even back in the sixties and with the exception of my mother's father no one gave a shit. My uncle suffered with meds and even more without. After forty some odd years, most of which he spent in institutions, he took his own life by way of drug overdose. By the way, the comment about the plot twist, he never had a piano was funny because he didn't. His seeming obsession with piano came and went as did obsessions with religion, especially the Catholic Church and government. As far as I know he couldn't play a lick.
He was very ill at his best and a living shell at his worst. I hope that answers some questions because that's all I have to say on the matter. He's been gone since the late eighties and I really hope that other members of my family don't see this video, mostly because of the comments from people that somehow think they understand him better than the people who suffered with him. One last thing, I think people thought that he was talking about sitting or standing effeminately or something. No, he was talking about sitting or standing motionless for hours. Usually not even his facial expression would change but when it did it was usually related to something in his mind only. I really can't begin to tell you all how heartbreaking the whole thing was. He did seem intelligent and with meds he did remind me of a high functioning guy with autism I once met.
@@joannewilkins5000 lol that’s fake
Having been committed against my will, not told what my diagnosis was, not told how I could improve my behavior and ‘get better’ , and made to take drugs against my will, I hate places that hold psych patients. They are for profit prisons that do no real healing.
Thought: What if he isn't catatonic here but gets catatonic when sitting at the piano or standing and that's what the doctors and dad don't "like"?
If I remember correctly, this was the case - to anyone other than himself, he did not appear to be playing the piano at all and was entirely inactive. There was a fundamental disconnect between his impression of his own actions, and his actions as they actually manifested to others. I may be misremembering, but I feel fairly confident that this was the case.
Outstanding analysis. She hit the nail on the head with all her observations. I appreciate her perspective so much. It is invaluable, and her empathy is keen and compassionate. My heart was already breaking when he said he thought he was there because he was "not completely like other people." He was totally right, and I felt that so hard. Also, I don't know if the interviewer is a psychiatrist or a psychologist, but his line of questioning is such bullshit, and he treated the guy with cold indifference, hostility, and suspicion. The interviewer knew exactly why the patient was there, but instead of trying to learn about his experience or provide him with comfort, he wasted his time by grilling the poor guy and condescending to him. UNACCEPTABLE!
Really hard not to empathize with this man, even when I watched the original video. I've been in a psych hold for depression and honestly, even though I was fully lucid, it was still very difficult for me to understand what was going on in the hospital and why.
I'd also like to add that his affect strikes me as more autistic than schizophrenic or catatonic, but who knows. Autism wasn't a diagnostic category applied to adults at the time.
I had the same thought
Autism and schizophrenia can look similar on the outside. There is some symptom overlap. People with autism and schizophrenia both tend to have flat affect (lack to no facial expression), which is probably what you’re picking up on.
Hi Lauren, I don’t mean to gatekeep or anything, I think it’s really helpful that you have brought attention to this condition, but I really wish you had included someone else who had experienced catatonia in this discussion. As someone who has experienced catatonia I would like to say that while it arises partially from my mental illness, it is also a condition which feels completely different from the general feeling of my mental illness. For example, while my eyes would dart back and forth during a catatonic state, it doesn’t necessarily indicate fear, and while I am concerned about being involuntarily hospitalized it’s not really the most pressing issue on my mind while catatonic (I’m not sure what this man said, couldn’t watch the whole video because it was much too confronting). Also, catatonia is truly a spectrum and it doesn’t necessarily always manifest in someone being completely mute or immobile. Anyway, I feel that being able to relate on a schizophrenic level is important, but I think it would’ve been even more enlightening to include a person who has experienced the catatonic perspective. Just my two cents. Keep up the great (and vital) work though, with this amazing educational content!
When you have spent 3 months in a mental hospital and are told next to nothing about what the "doctors" intentions for you are. When you are suffering from the effects of high doses of psychiatric approved toxins. When you know the person interrogating you can have a seriously detteramental affect on your life in the short term and long term from one poorly thought out sentence you speak. When there are other people in mental hospital who seem similar to you and have been detained for much longer and have no clue as to what their future will be. You better believe that you're going to think carefully about what it is that you're going to say before you say it and that you are very scared. You can't display your fear as that's just like blood in the water to those sharks. It's naive to think that just because someone is in the medical profession means that they don't enjoy observing and causing suffering. After all, if you enjoy watching and causing people to suffer what better profession is there other than psychiatry.
I don’t know about enjoying by psychiatrists but I can understand the fear of being hospitalized and being given medications that may actually make you worse. Being kept in the hospital longer than you should be. Not knowing where you will go or how you will take care of yourself. Very frightening I would imagine. Especially when friends and family members will have nothing to do with you. Thank you for clarifying.