Honestly, there is something very healing about hearing Keith speak about this with such emotion and vehemence. I very rarely hear men call this stuff out and it wears on me.
I’m not religious. I came here to find out and now I’m terrified of religion. I understand it’s not what you believe in though that wasn’t clear at the beginning. So basically, the devil lives not only in society but he also hides out in religion. They said the devil was clever. That’s a very clever more on the devils part don’t you think?
I know. I felt sick hearing about this and then while reading the news article in the link in the description. I’m horrified that none of those men went to the police. It’s disgusting and horrifying. It’s inhuman what they did to that woman, and what they allowed to be done to her and how much pain she must be going through to have this be done to her by someone she trusted. These are the depths of depravity.
I have a 23 year old daughter who struggles with a good amount of fear and anxiety. One aspect is this fear of men. I want to believe it's mostly irrational, but when i see these stories, i realize it's not. I don’t want this for her. I want a world where she can flourish and live without this fear. WE CAN DO BETTER! WE MUST DO BETTER!
You weren’t kidding when you said this was a doozy. I am shaking. I hope they identify and prosecute every single one of those despicable sorry excuses for mankind. And to the thousands of men who would have seen this website and not reported it: YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROTECT AN INNOCENT WOMAN FROM HARM AND YOU CHOSE NOT TO TAKE IT. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? You became complicit with every one of the rapists the minute you dismissed what you had just seen and chose not to report it! IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING! Report whenever you see stuff! STAND UP FOR RIGHT!
When men who don’t offend directly but don’t stand with women and girls against their brothers in Christ they benefit, however indirectly, from the comparison. When a boyfriend or husband pushes against a boundary set by a woman or girl and defends himself by saying “I’m not a Harvey or a Brock Turner” he is benefiting and hurting the woman he says he loves, the woman he has vowed before God to cherish and protect.
Oh Keith….I cried when you cried, but your tears and your anger healed my wounded heart. I’m so so SO thankful for men like you and for all the work you and Sheila have done. I can’t thank you enough. ❤
As a man I'd choose a bear in the woods (I mean if you ever go hiking in a national forest there is definitely a bear out there) Now if you changed woods to a cage it would be a different story.
Another GREAT episode. Thank you for bringing attention to this deeply disturbing case. In America, it is not really getting as much exposure as it should because we are so embroiled in politics right now. But everything you talked about, especially men not calling the police when they know this is wrong, shows how rape culture is protected and encouraged in our patriarchal society, and more specifically in the evangelical sphere where women and girls are dehumanized and demonized. Men need to process their trauma so they stop taking it out on women.
Love that intro about the words of Jesus. I have been thinking about "going beyond what is written" 1 Cor. 4:6 after listening to your posts and thinking about my experiences and those of my family in the church. Many have a cold, hard heart to women, girls and yes, sons and men that leads them to teach and perpetuate harmful things using Bible verses.
I was RAGING about the French case to my husband last week and the week before it was the Olympic marathon runner who was set on fire by her ex-boyfriend. Not all men, but too damn many.
Not all men, but too damned many; and the frightening thing is, we have no way of knowing which ones ARE safe! And then the guys gripe because we choose the bear, but do nothing to make sure we feel safe. !@#&!!!
@@Hammerhead137in a post about women being violated and mistreated you make it about you. And you still don’t see how that makes you the problem. You are not one of the good ones whatever you tell yourself.
@@keithgregoire5565 Anyone who calls for "deconstruction" is a false prophet among Christians. That is a marxist term. And you will meet the same fate for supporting it.
Special thank you to Keith for your righteous and healing emotions for women. I shred tears along with you. As one who sat under this horrific and degrading teaching for decades and has come out from under it and is recovering slowly from the utter trauma it causes even in good marriages, it is encouraging to hear your passion for us as equal image bearers of God. Thank you to you both for using your voice for us. You are right: this is NOT of Jesus, and we must do better for all of us.
Thank you both. Thank you Keith, it is healing to hear a man respect and love his wife like Christ... and how you love women in a wholesome and brotherly way, like our Savior. Thank you Sheila, this one was a hard one. Praying for you.
A beautiful and heart wrenching episode. A call to repentance. Lord, help us to turn from beliefs and practices that harm woman and girls. Please soften stony hearts so that we can love You and love others. In Jesus’ name. Amen.
Thank you for being such a powerful voice for women. Great Sex Rescue, She Deserves Better, and The Bible vs. Biblical Womanhood (which I read on your recommendation) were LIFE-CHANGING for me. I genuinely had no idea there was any other legitimate interpretation of the passages that subjugate women or even heard the terms "Complementarian" or "Egalitarian". While I was sadly taught the dehumanizing view of women that you so boldly confront, it's been incredibly freeing to understand the subjugation of women is not actually Biblical at all and that the freedom and equality of women is not "worldly" but actually much more theologically sound than what I grew up on. I've been deeply grieved to realize how many "Christian" men KNOW that there are legitimate theological arguments for the equality of women in all things that are MORE Biblical and consistent with the rest Scripture (but choose insteadthe option that maximizes their power and control rather than putting to death the flesh in humility, service, sacrificial love and mutual submission). However, it's been deeply encouraging to learn that so much of the Body of Christ is committed to the truth that in Christ there is no acceptable hierarchy of race or social status or gender! (Galatians 3:28) I'm grateful for these believers who voice and demonstrate that we reflect the image of God when we lay down our lives for eachother, honor one another above ourselves as unique and indispensable members of the Body, look to the interests of others and not only owr own, put to death selfish ambition/vain conceit that would cause us to oppress anyone with less power, use our own power to defend and care for those with less power (do justice), and love one another even as Christ Jesus loved us. That is true unity. And, I believe it's only in that kind of unity that we reflect the image of God by the 2 becoming 1 (male/female unity in marriage), the multitude of believers become 1 Body and Bride (united with one another and Christ), and I suspect is also reflective of the unity in the Trinity/Godhead. This is what Jesus prayed for us! (John 17) Thank you for being a voice that calls the Church back to that and sharing that statement of choosing to deny ourselves, take up our cross and follow the Way of Jesus. I think this Bible Project video is a great resource to share along side that to make clear how lust is, at it's heart, a result of devaluing/dehumanizing the image of God: th-cam.com/video/okFibMvn3t0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=hhLo78MbEZRpvjQr
Powerful words from you both, Sheila and Keith! You are bringing the light of Jesus into this dark world. This is a heartbreaking story and I agree it’s too many men. Some are learning this in the church. Lord help us all!
Yes, to Jesus being the Word of God. I come from the Word of faith movement, so if I said those things aloud, I would be hit with the line about all scriptures being inspired. Paul was likely talking about the OT when he wrote that but I digress. Ugg. It's so upsetting to me that the church has mishandled this topic for years. Giving men excuses is never the answer, but neither is shaming men for normal desire. I heard lust defined once as "desire gone mad." We need better conversations, and I am so glad you are doing this work.
But lust is not "desire gone mad," in the sexual sense, but the intense focus on what is not even the whole person but only a part that is completely demeaned by the focus. And it is NOT normal to all mankind, and you are so right that the church has so badly mishandled the topic for so long.
When Paul wrote his letters, I highly doubt he expected them to become part of the holy scriptures. Men made the decision decision of what should or should not be considered holy scripture, and different. Faith communities have different accepted texts. Jesus is the true word of God.
Yep. I've decided that if something Paul says doesn't go directly back to a teaching of Christ, then it's not for all time and is just a situation Paul was dealing with at that moment.
The "danger" is the lustful heart of such men: "For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also Matthew 6:21." These types of men are self-absorbed and only really concerned about how THEY look and feel (I was in a relationship with an abusive, narcissistic, p*rn-addicted man, and right up until the end - as I did get out, Thank God - his issues, his emotional and mental struggles, were in relation to the SHAME and so on that HE didn't want to feel and so desperately tried to project onto me.) In MY case, it was only how my ex acted - that I got to see over time - that revealed his true character. Many, MANY men lie and come across as the sort of man they are NOT.. I have to say, it's SO incredibly difficult to heal from this, for women, especially knowing that not enough men aren't like this... If you or anyone knows of a good book that could help in healing - and not simply just fearing, distrusting, and hating men from now on in! - I'd appreciate it :) It is SO good hearing all of this - I do love your channel! GOD BLESS you guys!!!
As an occasional viewer who has listened to a handful of your podcasts, Sheila, I wanted to thank you for your efforts to speak out against this. I can also relate to the righteous anger you and Keith are expressing. That is, especially after I myself recently heard of something which similarly struck a lot of my nerves (and although it was not on the level of what you cited, it was still very grotesque). If you want to know, I was unsettled to hear about this incident which recently occurred at Florida’s Liberty County High School. At one point, the principal and assistant principal (both of whom are male) were allowed to take advantage of paddling’s legality and their powerful positions, in order to entrap and coerce an 18-year-old female student named Brooklynn Daniels into taking that punishment, against her mother’s knowledge/paperwork and allegedly with predatory intent. The story got worse with every additional detail I heard about it in varying reports, and it convinced me that people within our many Christian communities need to be talking about incidents like Brooklynn’s too. This is why I also appreciate you making that one blog post, about the uncomfortable questions we must be willing to ask about spanking, plus some people’s willingness to tout it as “Godly” and “Biblical”. That is, since those same verses from Proverbs have also been used as justification to keep legalized the very school practice, which enabled Brooklynn’s mistreatment. Given all of that, I wondered if a follow-up to that topic, using Brooklynn’s story as a springboard, could also make for a worthwhile article or podcast. Thanks again, and God bless.
@@SheilaWrayGregoire Yeah, it truly is awful. The report that particularly got to me was Scripps News' "Florida student says she felt sexually assaulted in school paddling". Certain people in that video's comment section would fit exactly on the middle-to-right area of the spectrum you displayed at 17:55. Also, as reported by other sources, Brooklynn Daniels' mom named Kristina Vann made a petition, which I also tried to help support.
Just a reminder that we have a sinful nature that twists and distorts our view of everything, including sex, and the opposite sex. We all need a Redeemer, and then be discipled away from these destructive mindsets..
How is this a helpful reply to the video? We were obviously saying that. What women need now is for men to realize that they need to step up and fix this--not just saying, once again, "yes, we're all sinful except for Christ." That's not good enough. Paul told you to put away all lusts, and put them to death. How about talking about that? How about saying how Jesus came to save, and there is no excuse for men to believe and spread objectifying messages about women?
th-cam.com/users/livebTXaYKDzIVg?si=-moB9ftS5Z-IZBdB not sure if they are in the SBC but again calling the perpetrator, the victim.. and a terrible injustice to them!
You are actually defaming Ever Man's Battle- when he tells the story of the car accident by staring at the woman, he is saying it was wrong and that he was trapped in lust. He was a young Christian who felt far from God and it took him a long time to realize it was because of the lust in his life. He in no way was condoning or making an excuse for his actions. His opening verse was that there must be no hint of impurity among you. The guy grew up around porn and it is a hard obstacle for many to overcome, including women. He is not telling people it's okay to objectify women.
We never mentioned the story of the car accident. But since you bring it up, here's how he described the woman: "My eyes feasted on this banquet of glistening flesh." "goddess-like blonde, rivultes of sweat cascading down her tanned body" "ample bosom." Would Jesus call a woman a "banquet of glistening flesh"? Would Jesus describe a woman in such objectifying, soft porn terms? No. They could have told the story in a totally different way: "I lusted after a woman, and I fixated on her body instead of watching the road, and I crashed my car." But they decided to paint a graphic picture that they were obviously enjoying. That is not a safe man. As for defamation, you have to say something that is untrue. In this post, we quote, with page numbers, the many, many problems with the book, in their own words: baremarriage.com/2023/02/a-summary-of-issues-with-every-mans-battle-with-download/
When Paul wrote his letters, I highly doubt he expected them to become part of the holy scriptures. Men made the decision decision of what should or should not be considered holy scripture, and different. Faith communities have different accepted texts. Jesus is the true word of God.
@@anthonybarber3872what exactly is your question? They mean that while Paul was certainly inspired, he was just human, and a lot of times, there still is so much importance given to what he said, instead of looking directly at what Jesus said and told us...?
I highly doubt Paul when writing letters to specific churches addressing questions and issues was thinking, "This is going to be part of the Holy canon/scriptures someday".
Honestly, there is something very healing about hearing Keith speak about this with such emotion and vehemence. I very rarely hear men call this stuff out and it wears on me.
I’m not religious. I came here to find out and now I’m terrified of religion. I understand it’s not what you believe in though that wasn’t clear at the beginning. So basically, the devil lives not only in society but he also hides out in religion. They said the devil was clever. That’s a very clever more on the devils part don’t you think?
Special thanks for bringing Keith on because there has not been enough men disgusted and outraged by this.
Totally agree. I got choked up every time he did. His voice is so desperately needed right now!
I know. I felt sick hearing about this and then while reading the news article in the link in the description. I’m horrified that none of those men went to the police. It’s disgusting and horrifying. It’s inhuman what they did to that woman, and what they allowed to be done to her and how much pain she must be going through to have this be done to her by someone she trusted. These are the depths of depravity.
I have a 23 year old daughter who struggles with a good amount of fear and anxiety. One aspect is this fear of men. I want to believe it's mostly irrational, but when i see these stories, i realize it's not. I don’t want this for her. I want a world where she can flourish and live without this fear. WE CAN DO BETTER! WE MUST DO BETTER!
It’s not irrational. Best thing she can do is learn self defense and watch her back. I feel for her.
Sincerely, an abuse survivor❤
Keith nearly coming to tears thinking of girls being victimized is so powerful.
It made me cry
His anger and his tears were a balm for my broken heart. I hated seeing him upset but it made me so proud to see.
His anger and his tears were a balm for my broken heart. I hated seeing him upset but it made me so proud to see.
You weren’t kidding when you said this was a doozy. I am shaking.
I hope they identify and prosecute every single one of those despicable sorry excuses for mankind.
And to the thousands of men who would have seen this website and not reported it:
YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROTECT AN INNOCENT WOMAN FROM HARM AND YOU CHOSE NOT TO TAKE IT. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? You became complicit with every one of the rapists the minute you dismissed what you had just seen and chose not to report it!
IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING!
Report whenever you see stuff! STAND UP FOR RIGHT!
When men who don’t offend directly but don’t stand with women and girls against their brothers in Christ they benefit, however indirectly, from the comparison. When a boyfriend or husband pushes against a boundary set by a woman or girl and defends himself by saying “I’m not a Harvey or a Brock Turner” he is benefiting and hurting the woman he says he loves, the woman he has vowed before God to cherish and protect.
Oh Keith….I cried when you cried, but your tears and your anger healed my wounded heart. I’m so so SO thankful for men like you and for all the work you and Sheila have done. I can’t thank you enough. ❤
This is why women choose the bear including myself:
As a man I'd choose a bear in the woods (I mean if you ever go hiking in a national forest there is definitely a bear out there) Now if you changed woods to a cage it would be a different story.
Another GREAT episode. Thank you for bringing attention to this deeply disturbing case. In America, it is not really getting as much exposure as it should because we are so embroiled in politics right now. But everything you talked about, especially men not calling the police when they know this is wrong, shows how rape culture is protected and encouraged in our patriarchal society, and more specifically in the evangelical sphere where women and girls are dehumanized and demonized. Men need to process their trauma so they stop taking it out on women.
Love that intro about the words of Jesus. I have been thinking about "going beyond what is written" 1 Cor. 4:6 after listening to your posts and thinking about my experiences and those of my family in the church. Many have a cold, hard heart to women, girls and yes, sons and men that leads them to teach and perpetuate harmful things using Bible verses.
We should be Red Letter Christians, thanks for that reminder. Too many idolize the printed page but Jesus is the living word.
I needed this so much. I am outraged by this case, I didn't even have the courage to discuss it, it is so horrific.
It absolutely is!
@@SheilaWrayGregoireI was reading the French court reporting. Gut wrenching. Thanks for this hard message.
What an important conversation. Brought me to tears! Thank you for using your voice and helping to teach me how to use mine!
I was RAGING about the French case to my husband last week and the week before it was the Olympic marathon runner who was set on fire by her ex-boyfriend. Not all men, but too damn many.
Not all men, but too damned many; and the frightening thing is, we have no way of knowing which ones ARE safe! And then the guys gripe because we choose the bear, but do nothing to make sure we feel safe. !@#&!!!
@@lisajohnson4744 The majority of us are safe. And y'all keep passing us over for the ones that aren't.
@@Hammerhead137in a post about women being violated and mistreated you make it about you. And you still don’t see how that makes you the problem. You are not one of the good ones whatever you tell yourself.
@@keithgregoire5565 But if you really want a problem, I'll gladly give you one.
@@keithgregoire5565 Anyone who calls for "deconstruction" is a false prophet among Christians. That is a marxist term. And you will meet the same fate for supporting it.
Special thank you to Keith for your righteous and healing emotions for women. I shred tears along with you. As one who sat under this horrific and degrading teaching for decades and has come out from under it and is recovering slowly from the utter trauma it causes even in good marriages, it is encouraging to hear your passion for us as equal image bearers of God. Thank you to you both for using your voice for us. You are right: this is NOT of Jesus, and we must do better for all of us.
Thank you for covering this story
Preach it Keith!!🙏
And men wonder why we choose the bear.
Good morning, lovely people! This is the first thing I look for every Thursday morning! 😁❤️
Good morning, Lisa! This one's a doozy.
Good morning!
Thank you both.
Thank you Keith, it is healing to hear a man respect and love his wife like Christ... and how you love women in a wholesome and brotherly way, like our Savior.
Thank you Sheila, this one was a hard one. Praying for you.
A beautiful and heart wrenching episode. A call to repentance. Lord, help us to turn from beliefs and practices that harm woman and girls. Please soften stony hearts so that we can love You and love others. In Jesus’ name. Amen.
I ❤your great work. Your pod is presenting a mirror to the evangelical community and beyond - in a respectful, non-threatening way.👏👏👏
Thank you so much!
Well said, Keith!
Sheila you are so blessed to have a man like Keith. I was losing faith in humanity.
I am!
Hreat conversation, and I mean part one and part two. Gained yourself another follower ( even though I am not evangelical)
Thank you for being such a powerful voice for women. Great Sex Rescue, She Deserves Better, and The Bible vs. Biblical Womanhood (which I read on your recommendation) were LIFE-CHANGING for me. I genuinely had no idea there was any other legitimate interpretation of the passages that subjugate women or even heard the terms "Complementarian" or "Egalitarian". While I was sadly taught the dehumanizing view of women that you so boldly confront, it's been incredibly freeing to understand the subjugation of women is not actually Biblical at all and that the freedom and equality of women is not "worldly" but actually much more theologically sound than what I grew up on. I've been deeply grieved to realize how many "Christian" men KNOW that there are legitimate theological arguments for the equality of women in all things that are MORE Biblical and consistent with the rest Scripture (but choose insteadthe option that maximizes their power and control rather than putting to death the flesh in humility, service, sacrificial love and mutual submission). However, it's been deeply encouraging to learn that so much of the Body of Christ is committed to the truth that in Christ there is no acceptable hierarchy of race or social status or gender! (Galatians 3:28) I'm grateful for these believers who voice and demonstrate that we reflect the image of God when we lay down our lives for eachother, honor one another above ourselves as unique and indispensable members of the Body, look to the interests of others and not only owr own, put to death selfish ambition/vain conceit that would cause us to oppress anyone with less power, use our own power to defend and care for those with less power (do justice), and love one another even as Christ Jesus loved us. That is true unity. And, I believe it's only in that kind of unity that we reflect the image of God by the 2 becoming 1 (male/female unity in marriage), the multitude of believers become 1 Body and Bride (united with one another and Christ), and I suspect is also reflective of the unity in the Trinity/Godhead. This is what Jesus prayed for us! (John 17) Thank you for being a voice that calls the Church back to that and sharing that statement of choosing to deny ourselves, take up our cross and follow the Way of Jesus. I think this Bible Project video is a great resource to share along side that to make clear how lust is, at it's heart, a result of devaluing/dehumanizing the image of God: th-cam.com/video/okFibMvn3t0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=hhLo78MbEZRpvjQr
Powerful words from you both, Sheila and Keith! You are bringing the light of Jesus into this dark world. This is a heartbreaking story and I agree it’s too many men. Some are learning this in the church. Lord help us all!
God bless you guys!💙
John said the Word was with us, etc. Sheila's totally right.
Yes, to Jesus being the Word of God. I come from the Word of faith movement, so if I said those things aloud, I would be hit with the line about all scriptures being inspired. Paul was likely talking about the OT when he wrote that but I digress. Ugg. It's so upsetting to me that the church has mishandled this topic for years. Giving men excuses is never the answer, but neither is shaming men for normal desire. I heard lust defined once as "desire gone mad." We need better conversations, and I am so glad you are doing this work.
But lust is not "desire gone mad," in the sexual sense, but the intense focus on what is not even the whole person but only a part that is completely demeaned by the focus. And it is NOT normal to all mankind, and you are so right that the church has so badly mishandled the topic for so long.
When Paul wrote his letters, I highly doubt he expected them to become part of the holy scriptures. Men made the decision decision of what should or should not be considered holy scripture, and different. Faith communities have different accepted texts. Jesus is the true word of God.
Yep. I've decided that if something Paul says doesn't go directly back to a teaching of Christ, then it's not for all time and is just a situation Paul was dealing with at that moment.
The "danger" is the lustful heart of such men: "For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also Matthew 6:21." These types of men are self-absorbed and only really concerned about how THEY look and feel (I was in a relationship with an abusive, narcissistic, p*rn-addicted man, and right up until the end - as I did get out, Thank God - his issues, his emotional and mental struggles, were in relation to the SHAME and so on that HE didn't want to feel and so desperately tried to project onto me.) In MY case, it was only how my ex acted - that I got to see over time - that revealed his true character. Many, MANY men lie and come across as the sort of man they are NOT.. I have to say, it's SO incredibly difficult to heal from this, for women, especially knowing that not enough men aren't like this... If you or anyone knows of a good book that could help in healing - and not simply just fearing, distrusting, and hating men from now on in! - I'd appreciate it :)
It is SO good hearing all of this - I do love your channel! GOD BLESS you guys!!!
Thank you!
As an occasional viewer who has listened to a handful of your podcasts, Sheila, I wanted to thank you for your efforts to speak out against this. I can also relate to the righteous anger you and Keith are expressing. That is, especially after I myself recently heard of something which similarly struck a lot of my nerves (and although it was not on the level of what you cited, it was still very grotesque).
If you want to know, I was unsettled to hear about this incident which recently occurred at Florida’s Liberty County High School. At one point, the principal and assistant principal (both of whom are male) were allowed to take advantage of paddling’s legality and their powerful positions, in order to entrap and coerce an 18-year-old female student named Brooklynn Daniels into taking that punishment, against her mother’s knowledge/paperwork and allegedly with predatory intent. The story got worse with every additional detail I heard about it in varying reports, and it convinced me that people within our many Christian communities need to be talking about incidents like Brooklynn’s too.
This is why I also appreciate you making that one blog post, about the uncomfortable questions we must be willing to ask about spanking, plus some people’s willingness to tout it as “Godly” and “Biblical”. That is, since those same verses from Proverbs have also been used as justification to keep legalized the very school practice, which enabled Brooklynn’s mistreatment. Given all of that, I wondered if a follow-up to that topic, using Brooklynn’s story as a springboard, could also make for a worthwhile article or podcast. Thanks again, and God bless.
Oh, my goodness, Mark! I'm going to have to go look up that case now. That's so awful!
@@SheilaWrayGregoire
Yeah, it truly is awful. The report that particularly got to me was Scripps News' "Florida student says she felt sexually assaulted in school paddling". Certain people in that video's comment section would fit exactly on the middle-to-right area of the spectrum you displayed at 17:55.
Also, as reported by other sources, Brooklynn Daniels' mom named Kristina Vann made a petition, which I also tried to help support.
Jesus IS The Word. ❤
Great discussion!
sad to see thiers hardly any men who feel hurt like this 29:57 about such important thing's
This is really common in South Korea as well.
Which is probably a good part of the reason why South Korean women are refusing to get married.
Just a reminder that we have a sinful nature that twists and distorts our view of everything, including sex, and the opposite sex. We all need a Redeemer, and then be discipled away from these destructive mindsets..
How is this a helpful reply to the video? We were obviously saying that. What women need now is for men to realize that they need to step up and fix this--not just saying, once again, "yes, we're all sinful except for Christ." That's not good enough. Paul told you to put away all lusts, and put them to death. How about talking about that? How about saying how Jesus came to save, and there is no excuse for men to believe and spread objectifying messages about women?
@anthonybarber3872 duh…
@@SheilaWrayGregoire That's what I was getting at!
th-cam.com/users/livebTXaYKDzIVg?si=-moB9ftS5Z-IZBdB
not sure if they are in the SBC but again calling the perpetrator, the victim.. and a terrible injustice to them!
46:58
You lost me when it mentioned Pete Enns...
But if you were with me until then....everything I said was what he also teaches (as does N.T. Wright). We interpret Scripture through Jesus!
You are actually defaming Ever Man's Battle- when he tells the story of the car accident by staring at the woman, he is saying it was wrong and that he was trapped in lust. He was a young Christian who felt far from God and it took him a long time to realize it was because of the lust in his life.
He in no way was condoning or making an excuse for his actions.
His opening verse was that there must be no hint of impurity among you.
The guy grew up around porn and it is a hard obstacle for many to overcome, including women. He is not telling people it's okay to objectify women.
We never mentioned the story of the car accident. But since you bring it up, here's how he described the woman: "My eyes feasted on this banquet of glistening flesh." "goddess-like blonde, rivultes of sweat cascading down her tanned body" "ample bosom." Would Jesus call a woman a "banquet of glistening flesh"? Would Jesus describe a woman in such objectifying, soft porn terms? No. They could have told the story in a totally different way: "I lusted after a woman, and I fixated on her body instead of watching the road, and I crashed my car." But they decided to paint a graphic picture that they were obviously enjoying. That is not a safe man.
As for defamation, you have to say something that is untrue. In this post, we quote, with page numbers, the many, many problems with the book, in their own words: baremarriage.com/2023/02/a-summary-of-issues-with-every-mans-battle-with-download/
@@SheilaWrayGregoire Thank you for your response to this!
OK, you obviously don't get the concept of a metaphor.
When Paul wrote his letters, I highly doubt he expected them to become part of the holy scriptures. Men made the decision decision of what should or should not be considered holy scripture, and different. Faith communities have different accepted texts. Jesus is the true word of God.
What makes you say this?
@@anthonybarber3872what exactly is your question? They mean that while Paul was certainly inspired, he was just human, and a lot of times, there still is so much importance given to what he said, instead of looking directly at what Jesus said and told us...?
I highly doubt Paul when writing letters to specific churches addressing questions and issues was thinking, "This is going to be part of the Holy canon/scriptures someday".