"Abusers are often very smart" Yeah. They are. I was abused, and they twisted my perception of them to think they cared about me and had me feel needed and loved by them. And they slowly descended into the abuse.
+SwingingReporter Or how about when the abuser constantly gets things from you, essentially leeching you dry, and then guilt trips you for more things? During the time I was abused, I often felt more and more pain with each "joke" she dealt to me. She always "reassured" me that she was joking around, but she always did it with my insecurities. To add to that, she used my personal beliefs and need to belong somewhere against me, and fabricated an entirely fake life for both of us just so I'd keep coming back to her because she was the only person I could really "relate" to and "learn from." Now here's the real kicker that makes me have the full on desire to deck her for what she's done to me: she took my best friend away from me and is most likely abusing her to this day, however because of complicated existential issues I'm going through right now, I question the validity of the hypothesized abuse and reality of the friendship I once had.
And yet, Courage The Cowardly Dog, a kid's show actually handled this subject way more maturely and realistically than this show which is meant for a "mature" audience.
I think the show that I have seen that has portrayed an abusive situation the best is Avatar the Last Airbender. While the fire lord may not be physically abusive, except for burning his face, it shows how powerful emotional and mental abuse is. Even after Zuko hadn't seen his dad in years he still was constantly controlled by him. I think it's the best portrayal that I've seen because it showed how long it took him to break free from the abuse. It wasn't until the 2nd half of season 3. And it showed how hard it was. And this is a show for 10 year olds!!! Family guy is crap
What's even weirder is that courage a show mainly used to show kids horror talked about lesbianism, abusive relationships, and even virginity ( the virginity one is subtle but once you see it you can't unsee it.) the episodes called the mask.
+LavenousForever Yeah. Ozai messed Zuko up badly. Even when Zuko was a child. I'm positive the fact that Ozai would have probably murdered him to become Firelord stuck with him his whole life. Also, holy shit it just dawned upon me that Ursa probably killed Zuko's grandfather so Ozai wouldn't kill Zuko.
They bring up how Ozai called Agni Kai (which seems to almost be "fight to the death') on his own child for speaking out against him (i think it was because Ozai was putting his soldier's lives in danger for no reason) and showed no mercy even when Zuko is on his knees begging for his father to forgive him. Iroh was more of a father to Zuko
"The Law is Useless" is my newest pet peeve. I hate when media portrays the law and authority figures as pointless and unhelpful. It works when the authority is ACTUALLY incompetent, but not when it's portraying our real life justice system. This episode is giving us misinformation about the law so they can continue making these unfunny jokes about abuse? That's just despicable.
***** Yeah... I've grown rather tired of this trope as well. I understand that there are some authority figures out there who are incompetent, but a lot of the media likes to portray them far worse than what they actually are. ...Now it makes me wonder what your feelings on the B-Plot of Herpe the Love Sore is like. Seeing as that particular plot basically insulted anyone who is a part of the Military.
***** Glad to see I'm not that only one annoyed by "The Law is Useless" I agree 110% It part of the many issues I have with Macfarlane with writing and humor; especially when I've seen him be good, but he has to be on a leash otherwise he goes too far
***** To be honest, all of Seth's shows have gone down the drain like this, except for the Cleveland Show, which was doomed from the get go. But this one did urk me at the law part. The whole Law is useless trope is really annoying in general. I've stopped watching all of Seth's shows to avoid brainrot, and all of you should too.
thing is that war and abuse are two different worse case scenarios in war is more likely for people to die because of very easy access to firearms and nuclear missiles and with abuse people can cover their tracks due to their own victims not to mention how can any victim can forward to abuse during a life/death situation
You know what they should have done? Make it so they meet jeff and he seems like a normal guy and everyone starts to like him. Then the sister starts getting bumps and black eyes that at first everyone thinks are from accidents, then later find out it was jeff doing it. Then end the episode talking about how jeff seemed so normal and they only found out about the abuse from looking closer and talking to the sister.
Haku infinite I don't watch family guy so you could be right about the scenario aspect. I think the important thing to get across is the fact that abuse is almost always unseen and only really picked up on when things get really bad. Maybe if they made the abuse more subtle (just having her show up with a few bruises now and then) then have it come to a head towards the end of the episode. That way they could still have all the Family guy gags then end on a strong note. The same way South Park does it.
Here's Quagmire's speech done right: Brenda, I know you are going through a rough time right. I know you feel violated. I know you feel hurt. But I want you to know that you can do something about it. And don't you ever be afraid to stand up to Jeff. If he ever puts his hands on you, don't you worry. I or the police will be right there. Because you are my sister. You're my everything. And I won't let him hurt you.
Her reply would have been: Jeff doesn't hurt me, he's sweet. You don't need to stop him because I love him. Jeff is everything for me. I used to know girls like her, and she says something similar in the show. And at the end after they told her Jeff is gone, she just started crying like she lost everything.
When Quagmire was saying his speech, I literally got physically sick. How could someone think that, write it down, get it approved BY OTHER PEOPLE, have it SAID BY SOMEONE and AIR IT ON TV. WHAT THE FUCK
+BrushedPencil as someone who has been in an abusive relationship (parent-child, not spouselike, but abusive the same) I cringed. It turned my stomach over, frankly. I've been indifferent to a lot of FG humour, but this blew it out of the water. Just seeing the review itself has angered me, and I haven't seen the actual episode. Anyway, I'm saying I agree with that feeling wholeheartedly. I'm half convinced that the writers pushed this behind focus groups and editors to get aired.
+divineTerabyte I am also from an abusive family and although it was very abrupt and misses a few points about why a women stays I was not offended at all. It goes with his character, it shows what some people think and it is not inconsistent with what I heard for years before my mom finally got us out. There are a lot of factors but there is still a choice to be made.. It doesn't make them bad people if they don't make the right choice but they are making a choice that makes their life worse. That's the point being made... not the tactic used. There are better tactics for sure but it isn't the tactic that is the point. It is the choice. Again, spent many years in this situation and not offended at all. I am sorry you, Devine, had to live through abuse... it sucks. But BrushedPencil cursing and getting offended is pointless. I am more offended by his vulgarity than this episode. You can choose to be offended or you can choose not to. It is all in your own control.
+BrushedPencil My thing is the fact that I KIND of see what they were going for and I can still very easily see everything wrong with it. I get that they were trying to say something like Brenda does need to be strong enough to choose to leave the relationship, but they don't address the very real possibility that even if she wants to leave it, she's probably afraid for her own safety and that of her baby (was the pregnancy revealed by that point?). Instead of belittling her for staying, do what an intervention is supposed to do and enforce the idea that she had support, that her brother and his friends are willing to help her. Even if Joe for some reason can't arrest Jeff (even if he hasn't seen the hitting happen, she has a Black Eye and Jeff has shown himself to be rough and unpleasant, logically he's a suspect for the injury, especially since Brenda is just saying "he doesn't hit me that hard" instead of the usual "I fell down the stairs" excuse you see), I'm pretty sure that between them they could probably find Brenda psychological help at a Battered Women's Shelter or SOMETHING. The big point they missed is that, ignoring the also common idea that the abused doesn't realize the abusive nature of their relationship, even if a person has the will/desire to leave, they often don't have the means, whether that's fearing for their safety or the less emotional but equally plausible thought that she simply can't financially support herself. Quagmire lives alone and Lois has rich parents who, jackasses though they are, she's shown she can get money help from if she knows what to say. There is a solution to that problem regardless of its root here, but they address one that doesn't exist and only makes the other one worse.
+Pat Samson That's a good point and it would stand if they weren't trying to make us clearly empathize with what Quagmire's saying. All he is in this episode is a mouthpiece, so it's not even like "Well, Quagmire's an ass, let's ignore him". He's supposed to be taken seriously. That's what makes it so disgusting.
As an abuse victim several times over, I find it honestly disturbing that Family Guy keeps trying to tackle this issue that they clearly know nothing about. Not so much for the creation of the episodes themselves, but because I know so many people who watch them will take these "lessons" to heart. Abuse victims are already stigmatized to such a high degree and all these failed attempts at education on abuse are only going to perpetuate that stigma,Basically you summed up everything very well but I'm pissedoff and needed to comment.
They understood, I just don’t think that FOX gave a crap. Seth at this point was getting tired of working on the show and wanted to do some other work but unfortunately he was bound by a contract so honestly I can’t hold it against him if he decided to sabotage the show’s reputation. FOX is just like various other networks, they don’t give two cents about quality because if they did they would read the plot for these shows before allowing them to air.
Media I've seen that have portrayed abuse better: 1. Tangled. Mother Gothel seeks control above all else to keep Rapunzel in the tower, so her method of abuse is entirely psychological. She tears down Rapunzel's self-esteem, makes her dependent, tells her that she will not survive or be desirable to anyone else outside of the tower, guilt-trips her, etc. It's actually pretty well-done. 2. Steven Universe. Lapis actually admitting that she _missed_ Jasper in Alone at Sea was very powerful to me. So was Jasper trying to crawl back into a severely unhealthy relationship after all those months under the ocean because it was all she had ever known. 3. Courage the Cowardly Dog, The Mask. There's a chilling scene with the dog and Bunny where he gives her mixed signals, more in line with real abusers. He starts off sympathetic: "Come on Bunny, don't I make you happy no more?" but his tone quickly changes to menace when he brings up Kitty, and that's where the verbal threatening begins. "I take you from a two-bit joint and make you a class act, and YOU wanna make ME second rate?! If I even SMELL Kitty, I'll bury the two of ya!" Bunny starts to cry, which makes the dog switch back into "caring" mode. "Aw Bunny, you know you're my gal. Let's go back to the way we was, you know, happy like. It's okay. It's _okay."_ This is disturbing exactly _because_ it's so realistic. 4. Ed, Edd 'n Eddy, Eddy's Brother. I think what this cartoon gets most of all is how conflicted you can feel when your abuser is also your sole provider, role model, or best example. Eddy's brother is a monster, but Eddy idolizes him, desperately talks him up, and makes him to be a hero that he so clearly is not. "No more beating up little Eddy, eh big brother?"
As much as I hate giving Disney credit for things, Gothel was one of the most disturbingly accurate portrayals of emotional abuse I've ever seen. To the point that I have trouble watching the movie.
@@meh2385 She ticked off a lot of narcissist boxes too. The "now I'm the bad guy", it's never my fault attitude, the constant criticism disguised as 'love' and 'caring', the bribery of the gifts like going out to get the paints just to make Rapunzel feel a sense of debt to her, etc.
*EVERYTHING WRONG WITH THIS EPISODE IN 6 POINTS* 1. The stereotypical "big hulking brute terrorizing tiny frail helpless woman" scenario that reflects zero of reality and even most fictionalized portrayals (though that's honestly the least horrible thing about this episode). 2. The supposed "moral center" of this episode is a character whose sexually criminal behavior is treated as a cute quirk that's totally normal in every other episode. 3. Similarly, the main character and his wife abuse their children and each other, esp. their teenage daughter, in every other episode, and that's treated as totally normal, yet this episode introduces an abuse scenario between two characters we've never seen before, and will never see again, and...we're supposed to care, for some reason. 4. Everything about the abuse is over-the-top and ridiculous (to the point of the abuser wearing a "wife-beater"; yay, subtlety), yet it's supposed to be seen as serious...kinda-sorta...? 5. The aforementioned sex criminal chastises his sister for making him feel bad by being beaten by her partner...despite the fact that he's allowed said partner to stay in his home for several days, heard the abuse, seen it before his eyes, and done *nothing* about it. 6. There's no real resolution outside of the abuser being dead and the victim being left in her mentally fragile state...yay? You know, Family Guy writers, it's pretty bad when even Tyler Perry can write an entire story arc about a victim getting out of an abusive relationship.
I think Seth MacFarlane is part of the reason why many prejudices are still socially acceptable in 2020. Just look at the company he keeps such as Bill Maher, James Woods, Ricky Gervais, and Mark Wahlberg.
@@codafett I think it is offensive, especially with the fact that after Brian found out Ida was Quagmire's dad after the sex change operation, Brian puked for 29 uninterrupted seconds.
He is giving his opinion on a cartoon he believes is doing something wrong. Also he lived in a abusive family and has had bad experiences with abuse, so you can't get mad at him for getting mad at something he personally experienced. And can people just stop flipping their shit over the fact he is brony? I suppose because he likes a show he opinion is completely invalid? You people say Mr. Enter is being to serious while you all act serious about this yourselves. He even says at the end that he never wants to get this serious ever again.
I'm pretty sure people who hate bronies have never seen MLP: Friendship is Magic & Don't understand why some men/boys like it kinda like on SpongeBob "the only people who Don't like kraby patties have never tasted one" Or they think males should watch more "Manly things" or Because it's the "cool thing" To do.
I like dark humor, I maintain that when it's played right there are no limits. I also like stark looks at reality, I don't think that there's anything under the sun that should be taboo. This decided to be dark, serious, and incompetently done. There's no lesson, there's no humor, and it's so mishandled that you can't even appreciate it as something dark.
+ShadowRulah Yeah, like, the episode takes itself seriously, so WHY THE FUCK PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT US DOING THE SAME? THe "Its just a comedy" excuse is pure BS.
I hope I'm not the only one, but I HATE the Family Guy animating style. Its animations looks so dead. The perspective, the movements, everything looks so wrong.
I hate it too. It's too fast and choppy. It's ike they don't have good enough animators so they just do 3 frames and just go screw it it's good enough for our low intelligent audience.
It looks so cheap, flat, boring, and run of the mill. Even the still frames look lifeless and stilted. The posture is very stiff. The art style is boring and oddly gross to look at. Another thing, do you notice how when they’re talking, the other person just stays completely still? Lazy.
No body language, stiff movements, always the same angles, the only times they move is to at least say they tried to emulate real movement, it's repetitive, and the Machine-Gun-Lips create such a contrast that it confirms how lazy it looks. What I mean is: I agree
What gets me is that Jeff treats Brenda like crap in front of her brother and Quagmire just sits there and doesn't do anything. In fact NO ONE DOES ANYTHING TO HELP HER!!! No one steps in to defend her, no one says anything, they just SIT THERE AND WATCH!!! What the fuck!? If Quagmire really is the loving brother that he paints himself to be he would be defending and protecting his sister from her abuser not sitting there twiddling his thumbs or basically calling her stupid for staying with Jeff!! Seriously Family Guy should just end already!!
Ashleigh Jones Right? I don't have a sister, but if I saw one of my brothers being knocked around by someone, I'd beat the fucker's ass! And then he has the gall to give her that little supposedly-heartwarming "it's all about *me*" speech later. Can we bring back Firefly to replace this POS yet?
+Ashleigh Jones well, have you seen how big Jeff was he was muscular and could easily defend himself. and there's also there's the Bystander effect. it's a common mental condition that activates in such situations en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect i generally don't like this website as a source of info but this get's the gist at least
Mr. Illuminati Still, it's *his fucking sister!* It's not like he saw some stranger get beaten. I'm a chubby 5'7" woman, and if I saw a huge muscly guy (or woman, for that matter) shoving one of my brothers around, I still try to whoop them (and I hope they'd do the same for me). I'd probably get the shit kicked out of me, but good siblings should stick up for each other (instead of just sitting and watching with an oblivious gaping expression).
Mr. Illuminati so....if a family member whether it be your sibling or a parent or if it's your friend getting the shit kicked out of them it's okay to stand by and watch? It shouldn't matter how big the person is! When it comes to the case of domestic violence when a woman is in danger there is always at least one person who steps in and makes it stop. I mean hell even if the bystander effect is the case Quagmire should have called the cops and reported that Jeff was beating his sister that way in a sense he would still be protecting his sister without taking a course of violence.
Ashleigh Jones i wasn't saying that. the bystander effect makes people AFRAID to do so. i'm not saying what he's doing is right! i'm just saying everyone was afraid to do something because Jeff might do something to them
Tia Blue I think of two characters, a sister and brother, that are love interests and yet....the girl punched her boyfriend in his eye, and when the boyfriend insults her and makes her cry, the brother breaks up with the boy's older sister. Do you know who they are? A: Jeremy and Suzy Johnson (Phineas and Ferb) B: Dipper and Mabel Pines (Gravity Falls) C: Bobby and Ronnie Anne Santiago (The Loud House) Or.... D:Bart and Lisa Simpson (The Simpsons) Clues: the bro and sis featured in the Heavy Meddle and Save the Date episodes!
Wanna hear something that makes this episode even more insulting? This plot was spawned from a joke from an earlier episode, one that had no problem having Jeff beat Brenda for comedy.
dude first 59 seconds and i completely agree with you so hard. they always try to be so preachy, but then their messages and morals or whatever are so half-assed. its like the writers spend so little effort on thinking out what message their shit puts out, even if millions of people are going to see it. i think im already too angry to watch the rest of this.
The reason being that it's a threat of murder. I'm not justifying it, I'm just saying that he said that because it was said in front of him verse as the abuse needing to be proven.
i find it funny how people in the comments are saying seth is a shit writer and should feel bad about himself for making this episode, all seth does on family guy is voice work nowadays, he has nothing to do with writing the episodes.
Maybe it's because he *_created_* the show that people give Seth more credit; while he doesn't write for the show anymore, it's still HIS (and Fox's) show - like as in he may be a creative consultant like Stephen Hillenburg was during SpongeBob's "post movie"/seasonal rot era (2005-2014)
I watched this episode years before I got into a psychologically abusive relationship. It helped cement the message that as long as I wasn't stupid or damaged this couldn't happen to me. It helped teach me that abusive relationships would be obvious. You see episodes/cartoons/tv series (or any storytelling) like this, anywhere really... It can be harmful. You owe it to your viewers to take these subjects seriously.
I won't lie...I used to be a HUGE fan of Family Guy...I still like the first couple seasons, and I watched on occasion until THIS episode. As someone who suffered abuse as a kid(not in a relationship, but occasionally at home, and at school on a CONSTANT basis), to the point of being suicidal, I must commend you for being as restrained as you were in this review. The moment I heard Quagmire's speech, I KNEW I was done with the show. I hadn't seen Seahorse Seashell Party, and managed to see this one instead, and holy shit. I knew FG had a HORRIBLE view of abuse, but even I could take it when it was targeting one character in a cartoon. It didn't feel real. Had I seen Seahorse Seashell Party, I likely would have quit then, and as I've seen your review for that episode, I can say I'm almost certain of that. But nothing on television has enraged me more than Quagmire's speech in this episode. I had thankfully gotten away from all my abusers by the time it aired, and I was strong enough to hear that speech without it reflecting on my life personally. But I feel sick knowing how many people easily could have heard Quagmire's victim blaming, and been pushed over the edge. How many people honestly attempted suicide, or succeeded, because of this episode? How many people are STILL in abusive relationships because they feel they're too weak and pathetic to fight back because of THAT one moment of depravity on Family Guy? The thought terrifies me. I hope this review gets out there, so at least SOME of the damage can be undone...Seriously, I love your videos, and this is easily one of the best.
I also want to add something, since it seems to be a common topic below: I am a South Park fan, as well as a FORMER Family Guy fan. They generally don't take themselves seriously, they have passion and actual thought, and when they DO take themselves seriously, they have tact and know what the fuck they're talking about. They make it clear when the joke ends and the serious bits begin. They can make actually funny jokes about things no one else would dare touch, like rape and domestic violence, because they find ways around it, and put actual EFFORT into being both thought-provoking, and offensive. Family Guy just wants to piss people off, and it doesn't CARE who it hurts. South Park DOES care. THAT is the difference.
@@rentheadangelcollins I still enjoy and laugh along with South Park. You're right, they do care definitely. Family Guy is just insensitive for the most part and not that funny, I eventually came to realise. I used to be a big fan myself but then everyone makes mistakes.
You ever see the documentary "Child of Rage: A Story of Abuse"? It's a perfect example of what you were saying about some abusers being able to change (Though the main... "character"(?) is a child.) Beth Thomas was a young girl adopted after being taken from an abusive home with her brother. She would constantly abuser her brother, abuse pets, and tell people, including investigators, that she wanted her family to die. Beth was never told any better and had no conscience. People thought she was a sociopath at an incredibly young age. After going through therapy and a camp for children like her, Beth learned right from wrong and began to value life. Now she's living happily with her new family and has grown into a wonderful woman.
KimberlyHoward No, the point being she was never taught any better. I wasn't trying to link the child with the adult like that. Also, most abuser don't know any better because they were abused themselves and think that's how the world works. In that way, it's relevant.
Okay, I was kind of thinking the same as you. I just couldn't think of the words to put it in~ She was abused and therefore was exhibiting abusive traits herself until she was taught better. that sounds better.
I love how the writers decided to put blame on the abused character when not one of the characters (even Joe...a friggin police officer, Peter a man who has literally gone through hellish fights with a giant chicken, and Lois who is a black belt shown capable to beat up strong men) decided to jump in to stop her boyfriend from beating her throughout the entire episode.
On all of the Animated Atrocities videos that I've watched, this is by far the one that has the most comments calling Mr Enter an "idiot", a "hater", saying he "lacks a sense of humor" or that he "didn't understand the joke/episode". Out of all of his videos this is the one where he gets the most backlash. And for what ? Not finding domestic abuse funny ? Thinking it's not okay to blame the victim for the abuser's actions ? Refusing to let a show get away with anything just because "lol COMEDY !!" or "but it's a cartoon !" ? Cartoons and shows influence people. Subconsciously or not people draw lessons and conclusions from what they see. Family Guy is not the only how that has tackled domestic abuse, and pretty much every show that has has done a terrible job at it. The media's overall representation of what abuse is and how it should be dealt with is abysmal. FG added to that problem with this episode. This is a fucking insult to abuse victims and such a dark and important issue should not be paired with any type of "comedy". Domestic abuse cannot be funny, there is no way to make it funny, using it as a cheap and gratuitous plot device is disrespectful.
FishySquidMan well it is very realistic because many people talk with their hands and I personally find it to be a nice touch instead of them just standing there with their arms at their sides unlike actual people
Mr. Enter, I genuinely want to say this for your own good: if you keep reviewing Family Guy, you'll run the risk of giving yourself an anger-induced stroke.
That's one of the main reasons why I'm VERY neutral towards the Nostalgia Critic, well that and the fact that he insults the audience of certain movies that he doesn't like, kinda like a fanbrat that can't handle opinions 😒
viacomsux45 I beg to differ, because on his review of one of the Transformers movies he insulted the fans by saying Michael Bay "owns their dicks" and last time I checked, he said nothing specifically about the "idiots" upon that particular fanbase he was referring to ALL fans, good and bad, which was a pretty dickish thing to do if you ask me -_-
What I find absolutely depressing about this is that once upon a time, Family Guy actually had the capacity and raw talent to blend humor with a serious issue without ruining one or the other, which can be something really hard to do. Since the show has never actually changed writers, I'm only left with one question... How or why did the writer's themselves change on the inside? Does Seth McFarline really hate the show now so much that he's purposely making the show terrible in every way possible or has he suffered severe brain damage that's affecting his personality? Although I think an issue /THIS/ serious should have never even been considered for a show like this, I firmly believe that if this episode was made somewhere in the first three seasons it would have somehow found a way to work. It would be completely different, to the point it barely even resembles any of this here at all. Despite the fact Peter Griffin was always kind of a piece of shit, there was a time once a time where he could still be likable, which is absolutely alien to what we have now because since then they've ruined the main point of his character. Personally I feel that's because episodes since Petarded have branded him as mentally retarded, meaning he's recognized in his own universe now as more than just a common idiot - his character was originally a parody of humanity its self in an abstract kind of way, making fun of the average american father. But anyway, that's a different argument... My point is, I see what the show used to be and I'm reminded of how there were episodes where he did something wrong to his family (or usually Lois) and in the end he learns his lesson and makes up for it in an actually heartwarming episode without it being too empty handed or too much of a blatant moral-driven show while still keeping the comedy alive. That's why this show was great, and now, I don't think they can ever manage to do that again. The entire plot of this show itself has been retconned and betrayed, and it's not even the same show anymore.
Skyrim Guard He's talked about how he doesn't even want to do the show anymore but "the network/viewers/contracts/financial income/mother" wont let him stop or something so that's why the show has been on life support with shock value for the past 10 seasons or so. But what shocks me is with all that, he tries to make a new show as a "breath of fresh air" several times that all turn out to be the same piece of shit show that Family Guy is now. American Dad was okay from what I hear, but The Cleveland Show had so much wasted potential and is basically just Family Guy without Peter Griffin - except not even that because they keep shoe-horning Peter into episodes for some reason and plus they changed Cleveland's personality so he's basically just black Peter. And don't even get me started on Bordertown..., it was just the worst thing ever...
*He's talked about how he doesn't even want to do the show anymore* I legitimately find that hard to believe; regardless of if he actually HAS said it, I do not believe him, at all. Because it's just like you said later; every time he expands his horizons and DOES something different, it all ends up being Family Guy. Hell, Ted 2 was filled with SEVERAL Family Guy jokes, that you could TELL that's exactly what Seth was going for. So regardless of what he said, Seth Macfarlane is not going anywhere. He's going to keep making Family Guy, one way or another.
*How or why did the writer's themselves change on the inside?* Well its simple; back during Family Guy's early years, it got cancelled. But the show was so popular that it was brought back. A few years later, it got cancelled AGAIN...and just like last time, it was SO popular, that it was brought back. ...and the writers' know that. It's just like Enter once said on his previous reviews; Family Guy has been killed, and come back from the dead TWICE now. And the writers' have this notion that, THAT is the norm. That Family Guy cannot be stopped; that it's somehow impervious to being cancelled or taken off the air. Which is why they keep doing what they're doing, and acting like they can get away with it. It's basically created a climate or consensus feeling of, "Who is going to stop us?" Family Guy has even JOKED about this entire concept in previous episodes; they pointed out how irresponsible Fox is with their merchandise - bringing up the show's two-cancellations, as "Idiotic."
Can we stop defending Family Guy by saying it's "allowed to do anything" just because it's a comedy show, satirical and made by Seth MacFarlane. He isn't above criticism just because he makes decent racist jokes that make people laugh. That's cheap yet effective. Making actually humorous content takes time, effort and thought. Stop it.
"What do you call a black guy in space?", "I dunno, what?", "An astronaut." ...Wait, is that even a racist joke? It's literally only funny because it subverts the expectation of some sort of pun, or slur. Well, that's the closest thing to a racist joke I've ever found funny, anyway.
I'm remembering something Doug Walker said (in his Twilight Breaking Dawn pt1 review): "It's like [Channel Awesome] off to do Hamlet, okay? We don't go there. We KNOW we're not good enough! It's like Adam Sandler doing a Holocaust movie. NO. He makes dumb movies but he doesn't make dumb mistakes! They're calculated. They KNOW the audience. They know what they are. [Twilight,] You're shit, stay to shit!" All that applies to this. Family Guy, you're a dumb shock comedy, stay to that.
@@dylansmith5206 I wrote this before the ChangeTheChannel thing came along, and his and CA's sins came into light. I agree with you. Doug is a terrible producer, a terrible critic, and a terrible person. His ego has clouded his judgement and he is unwilling to understand his own mistakes, and unwilling to understand/listen to other people's feelings and opinions. He has gone against everything he has projected and become the villain he originally rallied against. And he, along with his company and die-hard fanbase, are the only ones who don't see it.
@@Account_Not_Applicable Even though your comment is heavily outdated. It still had good intentions and the point remains the same (regardless of the asshole saying it) Don't feel bad, dude :D
@Liz Lee You would rather watch a guy who raped a lesbian? That makes you part of the problem. *The Simpsons* looks like a 90s relic the longer it goes on. *Seinfeld* is hard to take anymore because of Michael Richards' racism. Lucille Ball learned every wrong lesson from the success of *I Love Lucy* and her post-Desi Arnaz work proves it.
You shouldn’t look to Family Guy for moral lessons. Sure, I’ll concede that the episode maybe does take itself a bit too seriously, and the humor was lacking, but I don’t think it’s the train wreck everyone makes it out to be.
@@RYMAN1321 Nobody looks to Family Guy for moral lessons. The writers are the one's who tried having a moral and took everything seriously and they messed up.
@@retron99 here’s the only truth I have on the writers of Family Guy, they all have a dark fetish for making torture porn. Along with even going as far to make humans and animals have sex with each other goes to show they are into bestiality. When it comes to stuff like this kind of humor, they made in this episode. Yeah, they should’ve taken notes from South Park. I mean they make a lot of dark humor South Park, but at least they actually go straight to the point and don’t continue this dramatic approach in the way of Family Guy, does it. Another thing that really pissed me off about the episode was how Joe literally knows what’s going on and he doesn’t do anything. Going as far to say he can’t arrest Jeff until Brenda files, a complaint that’s incredibly stupid. Now yes in most cases, there has to be charges brought against the assailants, but the truth is, if it’s happening out in public and there’s proof the law can Intervine immediately. And here’s another fun fact, quagmire if he really cared about his sister, why doesn’t he turning the video footage of what’s going on in his home his sister is getting beaten inside his home? I mean he literally has footage all he has to do is give that into Joe or anyone who’s not Joe who is useless anyway. I’m still mad that all this time he lied about how he really got crippled. I know it seems harsh of me, but now when I look at that all the episode, I sound like flapjack calling him out in front of everybody. Actually know what it would be nicer. If family guy did an episode where Stewie went back in time with Brian and this time Stewie interrupted the barbecue call him a liar.
Son of Tiamat (formerly known as tiakpark) Its called milking your Fans of all they are worth to push a shitty agenda. Unlike Simpsons though, i can confidently say the older episodes ARE good!
Son of Tiamat (formerly known as tiakpark) I know what you mean. The worst part is, thanks to Cosmos, we do know that he's still capable of quality work. For whatever reason, he just refuses to live up to it.
Salokin Sekwah I've only watched the very first episode of Family Guy and can quite say it was the poorest piece of shit next to Hitler and Starlin combined.
Family guy doesn't care. They like being taken seriously when it comes to viewings, but when people consider the messages FG is sending, their attitude transforms into 'it's a joke, don't take it seriously'. They want the attention but take no responsibility. The only thing i can laugh about here is the irony of an incurable pervert telling his sister that she's less than a woman for being dysfunctional, and that abusive people must be murdered because they never change. Oh boy.
Jimbo I know my god road to Rhode Island, and I dream of Jesus are great. Then Seth macfarline decidess to fuck up. No it's not a fuck up he knows what he's doing!
Zero effort Regardless of whether they were funny or not they were still far better written. The only time I really think Family Guy is good anymore is when they do a Road To... episode and even they've started to decline a bit recently. Those episodes are an example of what the show can still be when the writers really try but we don't see it often enough.
I'm glad that Mr.Enter reviewed this episode as an Animated Atrocitie because when I first saw this episode, I FOUND IT TO BE EXTREMLY FUCKING HORRIFYING!!!!!
Don't know why people found this horrifying I witnessed myself when my mom was beaten by my stepfather and when I say it I found it to be informative and spot on. People are only complaining because it was a woman that was hit and not a man. Change gender and you would not be horrified.
Excelia J. I am talking based on how the general public sees domestic abuse towards men. Plus by your logic you can't comment either because you don't know if she would not be horrified either
Nelcomarproductions how can I not be horriflied by a person being beaten up in a abusive relationship? And Men can be victims of Domestic violence too.
Oralia Pichler if you read my message I said that men can sumer domestic abuse. All said was that if you swap the genders people would not find it horrifying
This video is amazing. You have a FAR better grasp of the dynamics of an abusive relationship (its physical and psychological consequences on the victim, and the circumstances under which law enforcement can and cannot intervene) than the writers of this show can even hope to be. This (as well as Seahorse Seashell Party) simply reaffirms my belief that Family Guy cannot, and should not, try to tackle serious real life issues (domestic abuse, abortion, homosexuality, etc.). Suffice to say, you're a lot more intelligent, mature, and insightful with regard to what makes high quality cartoons than most of these hacks that pose as writers. You should work at Nick, Fox, or Cartoon Network; you'd make one hell of a writer and you'd definitely help turn a lot of shows around.
Luffyiscool Thank you. It's nice to see that someone can understand my frustrations with the declined quality of kids' cartoons and adult animation in this day and age. I sometimes wonder what happened to shows like Hey Arnold, Justice League, and other shows that both adults and kids could learn important life lessons from while still being enjoyable. Nowadays, some writers and TV executives have sacrificed good taste, humor, and great stories with wonderful characters in order to pander to the lowest common denominator. This is especially prevalent in shows like SpongeBob, Mr. Pickles, Teen Titans Go, and Family Guy.
MsZigzaggeriscool Thankfully, we still have high quality shows to look forward to instead, such as Gravity Falls, MLP, Steven Universe, and other 90s cartoons that most of us grew up watching.
family guy tried to be straight up serious while being incredibly ignorant about the issues it was addressing. if you don't see why that's worth being offended over, don't bother talking.
I’m not gonna lie, the worst part of all this is how they treat the abuse victim she could’ve been an interesting and sympathetic character, but the way the show says the abuse is her fault and having the episode literally end by calling her garbage really says it all
Family Guy sucks "It's okay to hurt Meg, treat her like shit, but if it happens to someone else, it's completely wrong!" You know, Quagmaire(however you spell his last name) is a complete hypocrite..
I find it funny how the new Harley Quinn comics are taking a more adult, reasonable, believable, and realistic approach on domestic abuse, as well as a way out of the abuse using all of the above parameters.
I watched a Tyler Perry movie once called "Madea's Family Reunion" and one of the subplots was about a woman who was in an abusive relationship and being battered by her fiance. While it was still over the top in typical Tyler Perry fashion, it was still more realistic than Family Guy's portrayal of domestic abuse.
You know the real depressing part about this episode? A McFarland show handled abusive relationships much better long before this aired. It was the American Dad episode "A.T. the Abusive Terrestrial". In it, after Steve gets annoyed, Roger befriends a boy named Henry, who process to be a violent manipulative jerk. Roger keeps coming back to Henry because the latter either plays the victim card or promises something fun. But in the end, Roger abandons Henry when Steve points out that their relationship, while flawed, is still healthy and genuine.
The episode tried to portray Stockholm syndrome. STEVEN UNIVERSE PORTRAYED IT BETTER!! At least it made sense! A kids Cartoon which was an analogy to sex portrayed it perfectly! Family Guy needs to straighten up!
Daniel Yahazkali Yeah Lapidot is life! But I also like Amedot to (please don't kill me) lol. I was referring to "Alone At Sea" when Jasper comes back and even though Lapis trapped her and kept her prisoner, Jasper still wanted her. It's like Stockholm Syndrome which is when a victim develops affection to their captor or abuser. In Alone At Sea, Jasper has a reason to want Lapis back, fusion makes one be and feel stronger. Whether they're being trapped or not, it's a feeling that's like no other. In this episode, Brenda has NO REASON to stay with Jeff! If they had looked into how they got together and why Brenda sugarcoats Jeff's actions, it would've made us feel more sympathy towards her. But they don't give us anything! It makes her look stupid and causes the characters to berate and insult her! A three year old show can raise awareness for abuse more then a 16 year old show can! Yeah I got a little crazy! I'm just really insulted by this episode like he is. That's my opinion.
They are no better. As far as I'm concerned Family Guy and South Park both suck and resort to shock and cheap laughs pretending to be ground breaking and clever.
@@MichaelBlaneWalker Me, too. I gave SP chance after chance after chance but I cannot take their smugness, false equivalences, ugly art, and their repetitive jokes that they insist are **ZOMG THE FUNNIEST THING YOU EVER HEARD OR YOU'RE A FREE-SPEECH HATING FASCIST WHO HATES 'MURKA!** What's so fucking funny about mispronouncing the same goddamn word over and over again?
The only thing he does is voice some of the characters. He's wanted this show to end for years but Fox won't let him. This was directed by downing else, I forget his name. Seth has nothing to do with this.
In context, there is another episode in which Quagmire rapes a teenage girl, for no better reason than that he could do so. This is excused, because she's a mean girl. Arguably, Quagmire is an even worse monster than his sister's abuser. This makes him a very poor choice to be the mouthpiece of morality.
Remember that in one of the Halloween specials, Quagmire states he has every STD in the book, but he still has sex with random strangers. He even tried getting Meg in one episode.
@@starrynights467 Futurama handles emotional stories very well and even The Simpsons managed it on rare occasions. South Park has done likewise and that's pretty amazing for a scatalogical show that plays social commentary just right.
Screams of Silence is one of the rare occasions where I think a piece of art isn't just bad, but *morally repugnant.* I don't know how a whole writer's room full of people signed off on a script that bills itself as a serious dramatic look at domestic abuse but is dripping with contempt for domestic abuse victims. Quagmire gets slow, sad zoom ins on his crying face, while his sister gets jokes about how stupid and submissive she is. Plus a speech from her own damn brother about how she doesn't deserve to be considered a woman.
As someone who grew up on Batman: the Animated Series, let me tell you that I find The Joker a much more realistic take on domestic abusers and that is just sad.
i had an uncle who beat my cousins for years and watching this just made me mad. I lost 6 members of my family because of that bastrd but family guy just laughs about the subject
Quagmire: “Do you think these kinds of people change? NO! They just keep ruining people’s lives and the world would just be better off without them!!” Me: which includes people like you, and Peter, and brian, and Herbert, and Lois quagmire.
What I am about to say may anger some, and if it does, I am truly sorry. I understand that it takes a great deal of strength to endure such a toxic relationship, and an even greater amount of strength to get out of it... but... My mother was in an extremely abusive relationship, one she chose to remain in for going on ten years now. I'm not going to make any friends with this comment, but as she ended up choosing him over her own children, opting to throw her children out...well, let's say that was the last time I chose to see her. And for the last two years, I completely broke contact with her. The man in question abused me, abused my brother, and despite my numerous attempts to try to get her out of it, she kept going back to him. Yes, I wish him death, I hope he dies a slow, excruciating, horrible death because of the immense cruelty he has delivered upon my family, but for choosing to go back to him, I no longer care what happens to my mother. My grudge with her goes back much further than this, she has constantly put herself over me and my brother even when we were babies, so to me, she was never truly a mother to begin with. Now, this isn't to say I agree with Quagmire's ridiculous intervention, as we never see Brenda do anything to deserve this kind of treatment. But, it does come down to one person to end the abuse - they could have all the help in the world, but as I have witnessed first-hand, all that help is useless if the person who has it chooses to do nothing with it.
Actually? I totally get where you're coming from. She could get all the help in the world but if she doesn't take a stand for herself, then it's all meaningless. Kudos for surviving through it all, even then you never really should have had to.
Christian Arroyo Josh Reeve Robert Wright I thankfully got out of that situation, but I will never forget it. I've learned not to let it become who I am. But, guys, thank you. :)
Sesame Street can do a very respectful job with dealing with a death of a freaking FATHER of all things, yet Family Guy FLOPS HARD at handling an abusive sweetheart?!
@@AWasteOfYourTime8205 They actually did it pretty well before Autism Speaks reared their ugly head (originally, Sesame Workshop teamed up with ASAN, a much better autism advocacy group, to help write the character of Julia).
A Guy That Has Different Opinions Than You Yeah everyone Hated Eddy and wanted to Abuse him them selves but not to the level Like Eddy Brother did. plus they were Family. it Definitely Change everyone point of view of him and Gave All of ed edd eddy Character development
@AccurateDiscoFever45 Exactly, mate. Exactly. American Dad I can still tolerate. Family Guy wore out its welcome years ago and the above episode is proof of that. I'm happy to detail more atrocities FG has committed over time.
Have you guys seen the episodes you're getting old and aspergers? Those two episodes tackle depression, I'd rather watch those episodes than screams of silence and seahorse seashell party.
I'm late to the party, but I gotta' say this: Don't apologize for getting angry. Anger is an emotion. It is not inherently bad. You know this. Don't apologize for getting angry and then handling yourself in a cool, collected manner, which you totally did. Don't apologize for being righteous. You did good, Mr. Enter.
As you look in the comments, always remember: Family Guy, a series perfectly willing to hold its creator hostage and a fanbase that will riot over a character that hadn't had a redeeming quality in years dying. It deserves contempt, nor defense.
yes thanks to ThemystorousMrenter he helped me watch this episode again without rose colored glasses, and from watching this episode of family guy yesterday I saw how poorly and revolting it is, and how it gives off a poor example of domestic vilonce and not only was the episode hard to watch and extremelly cringe worthy but the scene were it looks as quagmire is strangled to death was a very uncomfertoble scene to watch. and not only has family guy lost its charm, but is respect towards others dealing with this kind of problem its sad...
No offense, but anyone too young to understand why and how this episode fucked up it too young to be watching Family Guy at all. Just because it's a cartoon does NOT make it kid friendly.
Hey Family Guy, Steven Universe managed to portray this topic and actually pay it some goddamn respect. Rebecca Sugar my hat is off to you(If I owned a hat that could fit over my fat head).
Actually it seems a lot of media aimed at children and/or families tackle serious subjects well. Zootopia this year treated issues like racism with respect.
@@Anonymous-js5zn Lapis was still forced though. You see her try to fly away and Jasper stops her. I see it more as...Lapis was tormented, finally free, then kidnapped. She had enough. I don't think it's supposed to be seen as Lapis being abused by Jasper in the fusion, based on what she said, as much as she suffered a lot and was abused a lot and is now beginning to stand up for herself. Jasper still wasn't the victim. Lapis was still forced, and rose about Jasper in Malachite (Jasper wanted to hurt the others, Lapis didn't). And yes, she also wanted justice for what happened to her.
As somebody who hates how quagmire has the nerve to try and act like some sort of voice of reason, hearing mr enter lay into him at 10:13 was INCREDIBLY satisfying. He basically just explained why I hate modern quagmire word by word.
"Not all abuse is like this." THANK YOU. It pisses me off immensely when hitting and extreme violence is the be all, end all of abuse. I know from experience it can just be hateful words and threats and its still abuse. Also, gotta love that ending. My mom has the same screwed opinion of "Well, i have no sympathy for you, you're choosing to stay." And whats worse is this victim blaming is so common. This abuser has so much control over this person, their actions are mostly not their own. And what gets me is, "Domestic violence in relationships is bad! But making your daughter a literal punching bag, calling her names and making her feel less than human is okay!" Fuck you Family Guy. I do honestly blame you partially for the way my family treats me.
And to add insult to injury, Meg tells Brenda to stay in the relationship. This is either a reference to Seahorse Seashell Party, or to remind us that Meg is psychologically damaged.
***** Yes, I do. Also, Patrick, I'm not saying I disagree. I'm just saying it didn't just fall out of the sky. It does need more development though. Plus, Family Guy can't even do COMEDY right anymore, so what were they thinking trying to handle these serious topics in the first place?
You know what's stupid? A recent episode of Family Guy showed Peter standing in front of some river, then a boat appears and in that boat is all the people who died throughout the series. It's basically heaven to Peter. And at one point, if you look closely, you'll be able to see that Brenda is on that ship, which basically implies that Brenda is DEAD
@onion boi Well, I really hope that it happens, because I would like to know how Brenda is doing without Jeff, in case she is even slightly better off and didn't find a new Jeff. Tom Tucker: The Man and His Dream found a way to bring James Woods back to life, so who's to say it will never happen to Brenda? Come to think of it...you never actually saw her die, did you? June 25, 2020, 11:22am
onion boi Unlikely. Family Guy is more or less pretty consistent with killing off characters for real and only having them appear again as a ghost (aside from Brian).
also 'I call you a person not a woman' the way that it's phrased implies that women are not people. and this is said by the guy we''re supposed to side with in this episode. riiight
It's another example of MacFarlane's misogyny along with the emasculation of Quagmire's father. There is literally nothing but dysfunction in that family, and this episode failed to put any of that in context. The opportunity to do it right was there, but they squandered it shamelessly and settled for one false equivalence after another. That makes it all the more ironic that Quagmire's takedown of Brian was one of the show's finest moments. Also quite ironically considering the fate of its star, *Silver Spoons* did a better job dealing with it, too, when the topic of domestic abuse came up regarding fathers who hit their sons; Meeno Peluce, who co-starred with Joel Higgins on his previous series *Best of the West,* was the boy in question there. At least they don't try to make you feel like a dork or a reactionary for caring.
Thane3999 I'm becoming increasingly convinced that people who defend _Family Guy_ nowadays are fans from back when it was decent and are just in denial about how horrible it's become, so they use the "it's a comedy" excuse to convince themselves that the show is anything like it once was.
+Eman Evitaerc That's usually because people are joking about 9/11 because they KNOW just how tragic it was, and it, whether they wanted it to be or not, became a huge part of their lives and American identity. They joke about it in order to ease the pain, and the pain for fellow Americans. People that get offended at the tamest of 9/11 jokes mostly seem to think everything is black or white (i.e. "this thing was tragic and horrible, so you cannot joke about it, regardless of the context") But, y'know, on the other side of that, there are people who think EVERYTHING is okay to joke about, so instead of just joking about 9/11, they start joking about the people who died inside or terrorist attacks in general, which isn't a part of their life at all, making it seriously offensive. Those people are just as bad as the "everything is black or white" people to me. (sorry for making this look like a rant or something, btw)
I've always hated Quagmire's character. Heck, I've always hated EVERY character in this show. But this? This is just flat out disgusting. Thank you, Mr. Enter, this pile of trash deserves every bit of hatred you gave it.
This episode makes me feel kind of sick, I've been abused but it wasn't physical, it was psychological. She kept making me feel trapped. She lied to me at every turn, forced me into being sexual, and did everything she could to make me feel worse and worse. She would talk about something that hurt me, claim that she thought I wouldn't be hurt. She told me to kill myself, and every time I tried to get out of it, she threatened to kill herself if I left her, after she yelled at me the previous day for absolutely nothing. I would treat her with respect and she would throw me around psychologically. respect buys disrespect apparently. I know there's nice people who watch these videos, idk what people think this episode of family guy is well interpretation, but they really don't know how it feels to be abused. I'm glad to say I'm out of the relationship, and I warned the last guy she was with about her doing what she did to me.
Bro, I'm so sorry you had to go through that. I've suffered psychological abuse from both my parents and an ex-girlfriend, so I know where you're coming from in this. I wouldn't wish any form of abuse on anyone, not even my worst enemies.
There’s ways to tactfully handle tough or inherently grim subjects, Family Guy completely misses the mark. As someone whose experienced domestic violence myself, this episode just gives terrible flashbacks to instances when I was being abused. The fact that thus shows tries to make jokes out of Brenda being physically beaten by her boyfriend is NOT ok. It is currently estimated that 50-60% of women murdered were killed by their romantic partner. Domestic violence is a very real, serious issue. It’s estimated that a minimum of 25-33% of women and 14% men will experience domestic violence at some point in their life. Comedy is supposed to make you laugh, not give you flashbacks to a traumatizing point in your life.
This is the episode where my dad stopped watching Family Guy - it's the perfect example of misguided lessons in comedy shows. Sadly it's not the only show - I'd argue many comedy animated shows have two-sided lessons from stop abuse to just tolerate abuse.
Ways in which this plot could have worked (based on my own experiences with abuse): 1. All of the abuse happens behind closed doors, with nobody suspecting a thing. Jeff appears to be such a nice, likable person, that Brenda does not dare speak out about his abuse, for fear of beings called crazy and even shunned by the other characters, leaving her to face Jeff completely alone. 2. They DO suspect abuse towards Brenda, but decide to look the other way, or even try to rationalize it. Reasons may include Jeff being sick, disabled, or something else that invokes sympathy, Brenda not fitting the image of "the ideal victim", or people simply liking Jeff too much to face the truth (yes, that actually happens). 3. Brenda is being abused by Jeff in more subtle, psychological ways, and because of the over-the-top portrayal of domestic abuse in the media, nobody takes her seriously.
4. Brenda turns out to be the one abusing Jeff. She is able to hold power over him by making HIM look like the abuser in front of other people. Because of their appearances and societal stereotypes, everyone seems to fall for it.
My dude thank you. I've been saying this for years. Family guy wants to be taken seriously but can't give the effort. They want an Emmy so badly but again give no effort. The show should have died at season 3
The entire Quagmire speech section says to me that the writer has no idea how abuse works and somehow thinks the victim is stupid for not just walking away. Really ignorant stuff.
Everyone using the excuse "family guy was never meant to be serious" just more proves the point of how pathetic this is, and how pathetic the people commenting are. Even if it's not meant to be serious, it's still portraying a serious issue like a joke, and that's unacceptable. Even if it's "just a cartoon" it's still ridiculously insensitive to such a serious matter. And don't use the argument that I'm an SJW, I resent the term SJW and absolutely hate those types of people.
Tezza I know its a really old comment but I advocate that everything can be make fun of. But the issue must be portrayed masterfully. It cannot be disgusting joke after serious tone then another disgusting joke. It has to convey a message presented by clever comedy. Obviously this episode is not. Its bad, is in poor taste and its oblivious to the content it wants to take fun of.
For what I see, like in Harry Potter there are 3 Unforgivable Curses, in the real world there are 3 Unforgivable Crimes: - Abuse (Of any kind) is the Imperious Curse, since whoever does it seeks control over other people; - Rape (being physical or brainwashing) is the Cruciatus Curse, since both rape and torture are often described as fates worse than death itself; - Murder is for obvious reasons the Killing Curse
Great review as always, and I completely agree. This episode was just typical Family Guy. Had terrible morals, treated serious issues very poorly, and was just mean-spirited. No need to apologize for getting angry, Mr. Enter. This episode deserves it!
Dumple Doofus I know that. Some people take it seriously, some don't. But to me this episode was just awful, both comedy-wise and seriousness-wise. But if you like it, that's alright. I respect your opinion.
TheRich4270 Actually, I don't care for this episode. The only reason why I made that comment was because you were taking this episode way too seriously from a show that was never serious and never had good morals because of it.
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"Abusers are often very smart"
Yeah. They are. I was abused, and they twisted my perception of them to think they cared about me and had me feel needed and loved by them. And they slowly descended into the abuse.
O_O
+SwingingReporter
Or how about when the abuser constantly gets things from you, essentially leeching you dry, and then guilt trips you for more things?
During the time I was abused, I often felt more and more pain with each "joke" she dealt to me. She always "reassured" me that she was joking around, but she always did it with my insecurities. To add to that, she used my personal beliefs and need to belong somewhere against me, and fabricated an entirely fake life for both of us just so I'd keep coming back to her because she was the only person I could really "relate" to and "learn from."
Now here's the real kicker that makes me have the full on desire to deck her for what she's done to me: she took my best friend away from me and is most likely abusing her to this day, however because of complicated existential issues I'm going through right now, I question the validity of the hypothesized abuse and reality of the friendship I once had.
+frog boy
Actually, I do have some mental issues and that's what happened.
+frog boy
No, I'm saying I was too driven by hormones to realize it.
+TheSpecialPsycho I am so sorry to hear that you was abused.
That awkward moment when courage the cowardly dog handles abuse better than you.
Which episode was that? Was it the Bunny episode?
+Deshi Blacksheep I think it was called The Mask
+Creator Cody (Yankee Doodle W*nker) Yep
dont compare gold to shit
^^
And yet, Courage The Cowardly Dog, a kid's show actually handled this subject way more maturely and realistically than this show which is meant for a "mature" audience.
Heck Ed Edd n Eddy handled it better in their movie
Zinervawyrm AND STEVEN UNIVERSE! Cartoon Network handles abuse better then FOX!!
You mean the Episode of Courage "The Mask"
noneedforname
Yes.
Zinervawyrm Honestly Most kid shows today like SU EEnE or Courage, act a lot more adult than the actual adult shows if that makes any sense
I think the show that I have seen that has portrayed an abusive situation the best is Avatar the Last Airbender. While the fire lord may not be physically abusive, except for burning his face, it shows how powerful emotional and mental abuse is. Even after Zuko hadn't seen his dad in years he still was constantly controlled by him. I think it's the best portrayal that I've seen because it showed how long it took him to break free from the abuse. It wasn't until the 2nd half of season 3. And it showed how hard it was. And this is a show for 10 year olds!!! Family guy is crap
What's even weirder is that courage a show mainly used to show kids horror talked about lesbianism, abusive relationships, and even virginity ( the virginity one is subtle but once you see it you can't unsee it.) the episodes called the mask.
+LavenousForever
Yeah. Ozai messed Zuko up badly. Even when Zuko was a child. I'm positive the fact that Ozai would have probably murdered him to become Firelord stuck with him his whole life.
Also, holy shit it just dawned upon me that Ursa probably killed Zuko's grandfather so Ozai wouldn't kill Zuko.
They bring up how Ozai called Agni Kai (which seems to almost be "fight to the death') on his own child for speaking out against him (i think it was because Ozai was putting his soldier's lives in danger for no reason) and showed no mercy even when Zuko is on his knees begging for his father to forgive him. Iroh was more of a father to Zuko
blood drool that's actually exactly what happens. (Story in graphic novels)
+Plasmabolt64
DAMN! Ursa is a great mum. Time to save up my money and get the rest of the graphic novels!
"The Law is Useless" is my newest pet peeve. I hate when media portrays the law and authority figures as pointless and unhelpful. It works when the authority is ACTUALLY incompetent, but not when it's portraying our real life justice system.
This episode is giving us misinformation about the law so they can continue making these unfunny jokes about abuse? That's just despicable.
Well said Josh! I really despise FAMILY GUY as well! Long time viewer of your videos by the way, keep up the good work!
Just when I thought Family Guy went the lowest, it went lower. I think the Family Guy should've ended when it first got cancelled.
***** Yeah... I've grown rather tired of this trope as well. I understand that there are some authority figures out there who are incompetent, but a lot of the media likes to portray them far worse than what they actually are.
...Now it makes me wonder what your feelings on the B-Plot of Herpe the Love Sore is like. Seeing as that particular plot basically insulted anyone who is a part of the Military.
***** Glad to see I'm not that only one annoyed by "The Law is Useless"
I agree 110%
It part of the many issues I have with Macfarlane with writing and humor; especially when I've seen him be good, but he has to be on a leash otherwise he goes too far
***** To be honest, all of Seth's shows have gone down the drain like this, except for the Cleveland Show, which was doomed from the get go. But this one did urk me at the law part. The whole Law is useless trope is really annoying in general. I've stopped watching all of Seth's shows to avoid brainrot, and all of you should too.
Anyone else remember when soldiers were seen as weak when they ended up suffering from PTSD after war?
Stephen Brown yeah I believed they believed that around the same time they believed cronies flakes could cure masturbation.
Yep, and General Patton's military life was ruined because of this belief.
thing is that war and abuse are two different worse case scenarios in war is more likely for people to die because of very easy access to firearms and nuclear missiles and with abuse people can cover their tracks due to their own victims not to mention how can any victim can forward to abuse during a life/death situation
NOBODY CAN REALISTICALLY LAUNCH A NUKE ON A BATTLEFIELD
Stephen Brown those were the dark days.
You know what they should have done? Make it so they meet jeff and he seems like a normal guy and everyone starts to like him.
Then the sister starts getting bumps and black eyes that at first everyone thinks are from accidents, then later find out it was jeff doing it.
Then end the episode talking about how jeff seemed so normal and they only found out about the abuse from looking closer and talking to the sister.
+Matthew Mangan I think that guy was so stupid, he didn't realize he was reading his own comment a month later. Lol
+FreakDaMIghet That's amazing. That's tucking cathartic. Ahhhhh so good.
Haku infinite
You can have serious episodes in comedies and still make them funny.
+Chareater pffffft HAHAHAHEHEhaha....Sowwy...
Haku infinite
I don't watch family guy so you could be right about the scenario aspect.
I think the important thing to get across is the fact that abuse is almost always unseen and only really picked up on when things get really bad.
Maybe if they made the abuse more subtle (just having her show up with a few bruises now and then) then have it come to a head towards the end of the episode.
That way they could still have all the Family guy gags then end on a strong note. The same way South Park does it.
Here's Quagmire's speech done right:
Brenda, I know you are going through a rough time right. I know you feel violated. I know you feel hurt. But I want you to know that you can do something about it. And don't you ever be afraid to stand up to Jeff. If he ever puts his hands on you, don't you worry. I or the police will be right there. Because you are my sister. You're my everything. And I won't let him hurt you.
Her reply would have been: Jeff doesn't hurt me, he's sweet. You don't need to stop him because I love him. Jeff is everything for me.
I used to know girls like her, and she says something similar in the show. And at the end after they told her Jeff is gone, she just started crying like she lost everything.
Real-Time Films I know, but it would ACTUALLY be heartwarming.
Instead of, "You're not a woman"
ur joking right ?, thats really a lame dialogue and isnt really done professionally
@@e92Bn better than what we got, at least.
Do NOT apologize for being angry, you were so spot-on!
When Quagmire was saying his speech, I literally got physically sick. How could someone think that, write it down, get it approved BY OTHER PEOPLE, have it SAID BY SOMEONE and AIR IT ON TV. WHAT THE FUCK
+BrushedPencil as someone who has been in an abusive relationship (parent-child, not spouselike, but abusive the same) I cringed. It turned my stomach over, frankly. I've been indifferent to a lot of FG humour, but this blew it out of the water. Just seeing the review itself has angered me, and I haven't seen the actual episode.
Anyway, I'm saying I agree with that feeling wholeheartedly. I'm half convinced that the writers pushed this behind focus groups and editors to get aired.
+BrushedPencil It's ... oddly consistent with the character. Quagmire is pretty f*d up throughout the series.
+divineTerabyte I am also from an abusive family and although it was very abrupt and misses a few points about why a women stays I was not offended at all. It goes with his character, it shows what some people think and it is not inconsistent with what I heard for years before my mom finally got us out. There are a lot of factors but there is still a choice to be made.. It doesn't make them bad people if they don't make the right choice but they are making a choice that makes their life worse. That's the point being made... not the tactic used. There are better tactics for sure but it isn't the tactic that is the point. It is the choice. Again, spent many years in this situation and not offended at all. I am sorry you, Devine, had to live through abuse... it sucks. But BrushedPencil cursing and getting offended is pointless. I am more offended by his vulgarity than this episode. You can choose to be offended or you can choose not to. It is all in your own control.
+BrushedPencil My thing is the fact that I KIND of see what they were going for and I can still very easily see everything wrong with it.
I get that they were trying to say something like Brenda does need to be strong enough to choose to leave the relationship, but they don't address the very real possibility that even if she wants to leave it, she's probably afraid for her own safety and that of her baby (was the pregnancy revealed by that point?). Instead of belittling her for staying, do what an intervention is supposed to do and enforce the idea that she had support, that her brother and his friends are willing to help her.
Even if Joe for some reason can't arrest Jeff (even if he hasn't seen the hitting happen, she has a Black Eye and Jeff has shown himself to be rough and unpleasant, logically he's a suspect for the injury, especially since Brenda is just saying "he doesn't hit me that hard" instead of the usual "I fell down the stairs" excuse you see), I'm pretty sure that between them they could probably find Brenda psychological help at a Battered Women's Shelter or SOMETHING.
The big point they missed is that, ignoring the also common idea that the abused doesn't realize the abusive nature of their relationship, even if a person has the will/desire to leave, they often don't have the means, whether that's fearing for their safety or the less emotional but equally plausible thought that she simply can't financially support herself. Quagmire lives alone and Lois has rich parents who, jackasses though they are, she's shown she can get money help from if she knows what to say. There is a solution to that problem regardless of its root here, but they address one that doesn't exist and only makes the other one worse.
+Pat Samson That's a good point and it would stand if they weren't trying to make us clearly empathize with what Quagmire's saying. All he is in this episode is a mouthpiece, so it's not even like "Well, Quagmire's an ass, let's ignore him". He's supposed to be taken seriously. That's what makes it so disgusting.
This is disgusting. You had every right to go off the way you did Enter.
WesT your profile picture scares me.
Wesleyem3 compare this episode to Heavy Meddle (The Loud House)
Louis Holmes heavy meddle is better
Wesleyem3
Agreed
He did. Abuse is terrible.
You can mix broad comedy and heavy stuff in the same show, but you better show a deft hand. A prime example: Bojack Horseman.
Plus Boy Meets World and Moesha had a good grasp on switching from comedy to realism
And Fresh Prince.
This can only happen if your writers are fantastic.
Grizz, Pan-Pan, and Ice Bear define realism
I'm not sure if I agree.
As an abuse victim several times over, I find it honestly disturbing that Family Guy keeps trying to tackle this issue that they clearly know nothing about. Not so much for the creation of the episodes themselves, but because I know so many people who watch them will take these "lessons" to heart. Abuse victims are already stigmatized to such a high degree and all these failed attempts at education on abuse are only going to perpetuate that stigma,Basically you summed up everything very well but I'm pissedoff and needed to comment.
hitokage195 I’m not the brightest lightbulb you’ll meet, but I understand what you mean
They even did a episode that was loosely based off Trayvon Martin! When Peter accidentally shoots Cleveland Jr in the arm at nighttime
They understood, I just don’t think that FOX gave a crap. Seth at this point was getting tired of working on the show and wanted to do some other work but unfortunately he was bound by a contract so honestly I can’t hold it against him if he decided to sabotage the show’s reputation. FOX is just like various other networks, they don’t give two cents about quality because if they did they would read the plot for these shows before allowing them to air.
The ONLY thing I liked about this one episode was the Iraq Lobster scene.
Chosen Masters I agree that was a really funny joke
The only joke that's good.
DEATH TO AMERICA! AND BUTTER SAUCE!
Digicraftmon the Crystal Gem Who's Katie?
Same here. The only good part of that episode.
Media I've seen that have portrayed abuse better:
1. Tangled. Mother Gothel seeks control above all else to keep Rapunzel in the tower, so her method of abuse is entirely psychological. She tears down Rapunzel's self-esteem, makes her dependent, tells her that she will not survive or be desirable to anyone else outside of the tower, guilt-trips her, etc. It's actually pretty well-done.
2. Steven Universe. Lapis actually admitting that she _missed_ Jasper in Alone at Sea was very powerful to me. So was Jasper trying to crawl back into a severely unhealthy relationship after all those months under the ocean because it was all she had ever known.
3. Courage the Cowardly Dog, The Mask. There's a chilling scene with the dog and Bunny where he gives her mixed signals, more in line with real abusers. He starts off sympathetic: "Come on Bunny, don't I make you happy no more?" but his tone quickly changes to menace when he brings up Kitty, and that's where the verbal threatening begins. "I take you from a two-bit joint and make you a class act, and YOU wanna make ME second rate?! If I even SMELL Kitty, I'll bury the two of ya!" Bunny starts to cry, which makes the dog switch back into "caring" mode. "Aw Bunny, you know you're my gal. Let's go back to the way we was, you know, happy like. It's okay. It's _okay."_ This is disturbing exactly _because_ it's so realistic.
4. Ed, Edd 'n Eddy, Eddy's Brother. I think what this cartoon gets most of all is how conflicted you can feel when your abuser is also your sole provider, role model, or best example. Eddy's brother is a monster, but Eddy idolizes him, desperately talks him up, and makes him to be a hero that he so clearly is not. "No more beating up little Eddy, eh big brother?"
As much as I hate giving Disney credit for things, Gothel was one of the most disturbingly accurate portrayals of emotional abuse I've ever seen. To the point that I have trouble watching the movie.
@@meh2385 She ticked off a lot of narcissist boxes too. The "now I'm the bad guy", it's never my fault attitude, the constant criticism disguised as 'love' and 'caring', the bribery of the gifts like going out to get the paints just to make Rapunzel feel a sense of debt to her, etc.
*EVERYTHING WRONG WITH THIS EPISODE IN 6 POINTS*
1. The stereotypical "big hulking brute terrorizing tiny frail helpless woman" scenario that reflects zero of reality and even most fictionalized portrayals (though that's honestly the least horrible thing about this episode).
2. The supposed "moral center" of this episode is a character whose sexually criminal behavior is treated as a cute quirk that's totally normal in every other episode.
3. Similarly, the main character and his wife abuse their children and each other, esp. their teenage daughter, in every other episode, and that's treated as totally normal, yet this episode introduces an abuse scenario between two characters we've never seen before, and will never see again, and...we're supposed to care, for some reason.
4. Everything about the abuse is over-the-top and ridiculous (to the point of the abuser wearing a "wife-beater"; yay, subtlety), yet it's supposed to be seen as serious...kinda-sorta...?
5. The aforementioned sex criminal chastises his sister for making him feel bad by being beaten by her partner...despite the fact that he's allowed said partner to stay in his home for several days, heard the abuse, seen it before his eyes, and done *nothing* about it.
6. There's no real resolution outside of the abuser being dead and the victim being left in her mentally fragile state...yay?
You know, Family Guy writers, it's pretty bad when even Tyler Perry can write an entire story arc about a victim getting out of an abusive relationship.
At no point is Brenda portrayed as an actual human being. She's just this blank slate that exists to get slapped around by Jeff.
I think Seth MacFarlane is part of the reason why many prejudices are still socially acceptable in 2020. Just look at the company he keeps such as Bill Maher, James Woods, Ricky Gervais, and Mark Wahlberg.
@@codafett Either way abuse victims aren’t clueless idiots
@@j.d.schultz1453 To say nothing about that unbelievably offensive portrayal of a MtF Trans person with Ida.
@@codafett I think it is offensive, especially with the fact that after Brian found out Ida was Quagmire's dad after the sex change operation, Brian puked for 29 uninterrupted seconds.
He is giving his opinion on a cartoon he believes is doing something wrong. Also he lived in a abusive family and has had bad experiences with abuse, so you can't get mad at him for getting mad at something he personally experienced. And can people just stop flipping their shit over the fact he is brony? I suppose because he likes a show he opinion is completely invalid? You people say Mr. Enter is being to serious while you all act serious about this yourselves. He even says at the end that he never wants to get this serious ever again.
+Scabloonshki Because people are ignorant enough to know that this guy is not like them. He could've been calmer, but it is a sensitive subject.
I never knew Mr. Enter was a Brony.
Because people don't like it when others have emotions
Pseudo Nym
That doesn’t make sense, and is complete BS
I'm pretty sure people who hate bronies have never seen MLP: Friendship is Magic & Don't understand why some men/boys like it kinda like on SpongeBob "the only people who Don't like kraby patties have never tasted one"
Or they think males should watch more "Manly things" or Because it's the "cool thing" To do.
I like dark humor, I maintain that when it's played right there are no limits. I also like stark looks at reality, I don't think that there's anything under the sun that should be taboo. This decided to be dark, serious, and incompetently done. There's no lesson, there's no humor, and it's so mishandled that you can't even appreciate it as something dark.
+ShadowRulah Yeah, like, the episode takes itself seriously, so WHY THE FUCK PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT US DOING THE SAME?
THe "Its just a comedy" excuse is pure BS.
+Nnot_ Important _420 Dark humor is great if its done properly. Thats why I love metalocalypse. "Good song title, BLOODROCUTED!!!"
We got roughly five minutes before this gets taken down. Let's enjoy this while it lasts.
Quint Dunaway You just read my mind
Quint Dunaway Download it.
Quint Dunaway aaaaaaaaaaand this comment is at the 4 minute mark D:
We've made it this far.
Quint Dunaway 6 minutes...
you're a fraud....
I hope I'm not the only one, but I HATE the Family Guy animating style. Its animations looks so dead. The perspective, the movements, everything looks so wrong.
I hate it too. It's too fast and choppy. It's ike they don't have good enough animators so they just do 3 frames and just go screw it it's good enough for our low intelligent audience.
Aya ya Exactly, quote 100%.
Samuel Wolfang the animation looks boring and absolutely souless
It looks so cheap, flat, boring, and run of the mill. Even the still frames look lifeless and stilted. The posture is very stiff. The art style is boring and oddly gross to look at. Another thing, do you notice how when they’re talking, the other person just stays completely still? Lazy.
No body language, stiff movements, always the same angles, the only times they move is to at least say they tried to emulate real movement, it's repetitive, and the Machine-Gun-Lips create such a contrast that it confirms how lazy it looks. What I mean is: I agree
What gets me is that Jeff treats Brenda like crap in front of her brother and Quagmire just sits there and doesn't do anything. In fact NO ONE DOES ANYTHING TO HELP HER!!! No one steps in to defend her, no one says anything, they just SIT THERE AND WATCH!!! What the fuck!? If Quagmire really is the loving brother that he paints himself to be he would be defending and protecting his sister from her abuser not sitting there twiddling his thumbs or basically calling her stupid for staying with Jeff!! Seriously Family Guy should just end already!!
Ashleigh Jones Right? I don't have a sister, but if I saw one of my brothers being knocked around by someone, I'd beat the fucker's ass! And then he has the gall to give her that little supposedly-heartwarming "it's all about *me*" speech later. Can we bring back Firefly to replace this POS yet?
+Ashleigh Jones well, have you seen how big Jeff was he was muscular and could easily defend himself. and there's also there's the Bystander effect. it's a common mental condition that activates in such situations
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect i generally don't like this website as a source of info but this get's the gist at least
Mr. Illuminati Still, it's *his fucking sister!* It's not like he saw some stranger get beaten. I'm a chubby 5'7" woman, and if I saw a huge muscly guy (or woman, for that matter) shoving one of my brothers around, I still try to whoop them (and I hope they'd do the same for me). I'd probably get the shit kicked out of me, but good siblings should stick up for each other (instead of just sitting and watching with an oblivious gaping expression).
Mr. Illuminati so....if a family member whether it be your sibling or a parent or if it's your friend getting the shit kicked out of them it's okay to stand by and watch? It shouldn't matter how big the person is! When it comes to the case of domestic violence when a woman is in danger there is always at least one person who steps in and makes it stop. I mean hell even if the bystander effect is the case Quagmire should have called the cops and reported that Jeff was beating his sister that way in a sense he would still be protecting his sister without taking a course of violence.
Ashleigh Jones i wasn't saying that. the bystander effect makes people AFRAID to do so. i'm not saying what he's doing is right! i'm just saying everyone was afraid to do something because Jeff might do something to them
The animation is so lazy, every character just raises one or both of their hands as they talk
Tia Blue XD. Glad I'm not the only one to notice this.
Tia Blue I think of two characters, a sister and brother, that are love interests and yet....the girl punched her boyfriend in his eye, and when the boyfriend insults her and makes her cry, the brother breaks up with the boy's older sister. Do you know who they are?
A: Jeremy and Suzy Johnson (Phineas and Ferb)
B: Dipper and Mabel Pines (Gravity Falls)
C: Bobby and Ronnie Anne Santiago (The Loud House)
Or....
D:Bart and Lisa Simpson (The Simpsons)
Clues: the bro and sis featured in the Heavy Meddle and Save the Date episodes!
I've noticed that too, and that happens _WAY_ too damn much...
It the slightly better version of go animate
At least the animation is at least CONSISTENTLY Meh .
Wanna hear something that makes this episode even more insulting? This plot was spawned from a joke from an earlier episode, one that had no problem having Jeff beat Brenda for comedy.
Except that was short, in the background, and they were left nameless. This is an entire episode based off of one joke.
That's my point; they're basing an entire episode off of a gag that shoots down their whole argument
Yeah, and the gag was funny because it was in reference to another joke.
Fox is so desperate to keep this show alive that they're now making plots out of cutaway gags! 🤦♂️
dude first 59 seconds and i completely agree with you so hard. they always try to be so preachy, but then their messages and morals or whatever are so half-assed. its like the writers spend so little effort on thinking out what message their shit puts out, even if millions of people are going to see it. i think im already too angry to watch the rest of this.
joe:"i cant arrest him unless she's filed a complaint." *couple minutes later in the vid* joe:"i can arrest you just for saying that" what is dis.
I want my taxes back...
The reason being that it's a threat of murder. I'm not justifying it, I'm just saying that he said that because it was said in front of him verse as the abuse needing to be proven.
Joe can arrest Jeff if he sees the abuse, though to be fair, Jeff isn’t allowed to stay in jail until Brenda presses charges
@@Super165i And she can't press charges because she's too mentally broken to stand up for herself
Remember, dude, this show is TRYING to get canceled.
Hewylewis but does that make this better or worse?
(hint its not the first one)
***** The network doesn't think so. I bet ratings went through the roof.
***** the fact that it's still on the air I would say it's doing a pretty bad trying to get cancelled.
Wut?
Like SpongeBob, I think it wants to cancel itself
i find it funny how people in the comments are saying seth is a shit writer and should feel bad about himself for making this episode, all seth does on family guy is voice work nowadays, he has nothing to do with writing the episodes.
+Badusername2000 Your comment deserves more likes lol
Maybe it's because he *_created_* the show that people give Seth more credit; while he doesn't write for the show anymore, it's still HIS (and Fox's) show - like as in he may be a creative consultant like Stephen Hillenburg was during SpongeBob's "post movie"/seasonal rot era (2005-2014)
AndrewsMagicandMore YOUR comment deserves more likes
Just saying, if someone portrayed domestic abuse on my creation like this, I’d be pissed and I would pull it.
I watched this episode years before I got into a psychologically abusive relationship. It helped cement the message that as long as I wasn't stupid or damaged this couldn't happen to me. It helped teach me that abusive relationships would be obvious. You see episodes/cartoons/tv series (or any storytelling) like this, anywhere really... It can be harmful. You owe it to your viewers to take these subjects seriously.
I can’t believe that Courage the Cowardly Dog, a freaking CHILDREN’S SHOW, handeled abuse a million times better than this.
Steven Universe also handled it well
Courage is far more adult than Family Guy.
"freaking"
@@dawnbreaker4217 what episode of Steven universe did it handled it?
Need I mention Avatar: The Last Airbender
I won't lie...I used to be a HUGE fan of Family Guy...I still like the first couple seasons, and I watched on occasion until THIS episode. As someone who suffered abuse as a kid(not in a relationship, but occasionally at home, and at school on a CONSTANT basis), to the point of being suicidal, I must commend you for being as restrained as you were in this review. The moment I heard Quagmire's speech, I KNEW I was done with the show. I hadn't seen Seahorse Seashell Party, and managed to see this one instead, and holy shit. I knew FG had a HORRIBLE view of abuse, but even I could take it when it was targeting one character in a cartoon. It didn't feel real. Had I seen Seahorse Seashell Party, I likely would have quit then, and as I've seen your review for that episode, I can say I'm almost certain of that. But nothing on television has enraged me more than Quagmire's speech in this episode. I had thankfully gotten away from all my abusers by the time it aired, and I was strong enough to hear that speech without it reflecting on my life personally. But I feel sick knowing how many people easily could have heard Quagmire's victim blaming, and been pushed over the edge. How many people honestly attempted suicide, or succeeded, because of this episode? How many people are STILL in abusive relationships because they feel they're too weak and pathetic to fight back because of THAT one moment of depravity on Family Guy? The thought terrifies me. I hope this review gets out there, so at least SOME of the damage can be undone...Seriously, I love your videos, and this is easily one of the best.
I also want to add something, since it seems to be a common topic below: I am a South Park fan, as well as a FORMER Family Guy fan. They generally don't take themselves seriously, they have passion and actual thought, and when they DO take themselves seriously, they have tact and know what the fuck they're talking about. They make it clear when the joke ends and the serious bits begin. They can make actually funny jokes about things no one else would dare touch, like rape and domestic violence, because they find ways around it, and put actual EFFORT into being both thought-provoking, and offensive. Family Guy just wants to piss people off, and it doesn't CARE who it hurts. South Park DOES care. THAT is the difference.
Patchwork StiltFox I utterly loathed Quagmire speech. I was like “You’ve no right to talk you sick SOB!” Fuck Quagmire.
@@LovesMJ4ever I feel that was the satirical and ironic point, that an abuser was trying to get his sister out of abuse.
@@rentheadangelcollins I still enjoy and laugh along with South Park. You're right, they do care definitely. Family Guy is just insensitive for the most part and not that funny, I eventually came to realise. I used to be a big fan myself but then everyone makes mistakes.
You ever see the documentary "Child of Rage: A Story of Abuse"? It's a perfect example of what you were saying about some abusers being able to change (Though the main... "character"(?) is a child.) Beth Thomas was a young girl adopted after being taken from an abusive home with her brother. She would constantly abuser her brother, abuse pets, and tell people, including investigators, that she wanted her family to die. Beth was never told any better and had no conscience. People thought she was a sociopath at an incredibly young age.
After going through therapy and a camp for children like her, Beth learned right from wrong and began to value life. Now she's living happily with her new family and has grown into a wonderful woman.
I've seen that, and yeah the difference was Beth was a child when they noticed this stuff happening due to her own abuse.
KimberlyHoward No, the point being she was never taught any better. I wasn't trying to link the child with the adult like that. Also, most abuser don't know any better because they were abused themselves and think that's how the world works. In that way, it's relevant.
Okay, I was kind of thinking the same as you. I just couldn't think of the words to put it in~ She was abused and therefore was exhibiting abusive traits herself until she was taught better. that sounds better.
So does Nightmare on Elm Street except that it's more about Child Abuse than it is about abuse towards women and girls
***** She was a little girl. She can't even remember it.
I love how the writers decided to put blame on the abused character when not one of the characters (even Joe...a friggin police officer, Peter a man who has literally gone through hellish fights with a giant chicken, and Lois who is a black belt shown capable to beat up strong men) decided to jump in to stop her boyfriend from beating her throughout the entire episode.
Also having the one character whose entire gag is to treat women like garbage is laughable that they have him defining what a woman is.
lol right, didn't even think about this
This episode treats domestic abuse very poorly
On all of the Animated Atrocities videos that I've watched, this is by far the one that has the most comments calling Mr Enter an "idiot", a "hater", saying he "lacks a sense of humor" or that he "didn't understand the joke/episode". Out of all of his videos this is the one where he gets the most backlash. And for what ? Not finding domestic abuse funny ? Thinking it's not okay to blame the victim for the abuser's actions ? Refusing to let a show get away with anything just because "lol COMEDY !!" or "but it's a cartoon !" ?
Cartoons and shows influence people. Subconsciously or not people draw lessons and conclusions from what they see. Family Guy is not the only how that has tackled domestic abuse, and pretty much every show that has has done a terrible job at it. The media's overall representation of what abuse is and how it should be dealt with is abysmal. FG added to that problem with this episode. This is a fucking insult to abuse victims and such a dark and important issue should not be paired with any type of "comedy". Domestic abuse cannot be funny, there is no way to make it funny, using it as a cheap and gratuitous plot device is disrespectful.
+Dan Komochi I love you my good man. Took the words out of my mouth.
I've never thought I say this but God help us all.
There is 0 hard or scientific evidence that violent shows, films, or video games cause violence.
The Family Guy characters stick their hands out way too much.
It's just the lazy animation
FishySquidMan I can't unsee
Peter Griffin is always messing with his hands.
I've seen it since they started doing it. That's literally all I see in Family Guy now.
FishySquidMan well it is very realistic because many people talk with their hands and I personally find it to be a nice touch instead of them just standing there with their arms at their sides unlike actual people
One false flag, two false flags, three false flags, four! Five false flags, six false flags, and *HOLY S*** THERE'S **_MORE?_*
Daviljoe193 I'm placing my bets, who else wants to join?
More flags less fun.
Angelo Ramirez [_Your comment has been flagged for containing the color red, which is owned by Viacom_]
Daviljoe193 Is mayonnaise owned by Viacom?
***** Mayonnaise the color, or Mayonnaise the instrument?
Mr. Enter, I genuinely want to say this for your own good: if you keep reviewing Family Guy, you'll run the risk of giving yourself an anger-induced stroke.
Jaceblue04 family guy is pushing him towards his limits
My point exactly.
Jaceblue04 hey can you please tell your favorite episode season 1-4 aren't allowed
I don't watch Family Guy and haven't in years?
Or overheat from anger
I admire you only getting angry when necessary. Unlike the Nostalgia Critic who gets angry at everything because attempt at humor.
Well not all the time 1. 2, its usually to put on a nice show and sometimes the stuff he reviews can be pretty bad, and could affect doug himself
You watch Mr. Enter? Cool
That's one of the main reasons why I'm VERY neutral towards the Nostalgia Critic, well that and the fact that he insults the audience of certain movies that he doesn't like, kinda like a fanbrat that can't handle opinions 😒
02jujubean He attacks idiot fans which at least half of the comments on his videos are just a bunch of idiots
viacomsux45 I beg to differ, because on his review of one of the Transformers movies he insulted the fans by saying Michael Bay "owns their dicks" and last time I checked, he said nothing specifically about the "idiots" upon that particular fanbase he was referring to ALL fans, good and bad, which was a pretty dickish thing to do if you ask me -_-
What I find absolutely depressing about this is that once upon a time, Family Guy actually had the capacity and raw talent to blend humor with a serious issue without ruining one or the other, which can be something really hard to do. Since the show has never actually changed writers, I'm only left with one question... How or why did the writer's themselves change on the inside? Does Seth McFarline really hate the show now so much that he's purposely making the show terrible in every way possible or has he suffered severe brain damage that's affecting his personality?
Although I think an issue /THIS/ serious should have never even been considered for a show like this, I firmly believe that if this episode was made somewhere in the first three seasons it would have somehow found a way to work. It would be completely different, to the point it barely even resembles any of this here at all.
Despite the fact Peter Griffin was always kind of a piece of shit, there was a time once a time where he could still be likable, which is absolutely alien to what we have now because since then they've ruined the main point of his character. Personally I feel that's because episodes since Petarded have branded him as mentally retarded, meaning he's recognized in his own universe now as more than just a common idiot - his character was originally a parody of humanity its self in an abstract kind of way, making fun of the average american father. But anyway, that's a different argument... My point is, I see what the show used to be and I'm reminded of how there were episodes where he did something wrong to his family (or usually Lois) and in the end he learns his lesson and makes up for it in an actually heartwarming episode without it being too empty handed or too much of a blatant moral-driven show while still keeping the comedy alive. That's why this show was great, and now, I don't think they can ever manage to do that again. The entire plot of this show itself has been retconned and betrayed, and it's not even the same show anymore.
Skyrim Guard He's talked about how he doesn't even want to do the show anymore but "the network/viewers/contracts/financial income/mother" wont let him stop or something so that's why the show has been on life support with shock value for the past 10 seasons or so. But what shocks me is with all that, he tries to make a new show as a "breath of fresh air" several times that all turn out to be the same piece of shit show that Family Guy is now. American Dad was okay from what I hear, but The Cleveland Show had so much wasted potential and is basically just Family Guy without Peter Griffin - except not even that because they keep shoe-horning Peter into episodes for some reason and plus they changed Cleveland's personality so he's basically just black Peter.
And don't even get me started on Bordertown..., it was just the worst thing ever...
*He's talked about how he doesn't even want to do the show anymore*
I legitimately find that hard to believe; regardless of if he actually HAS said it, I do not believe him, at all. Because it's just like you said later; every time he expands his horizons and DOES something different, it all ends up being Family Guy.
Hell, Ted 2 was filled with SEVERAL Family Guy jokes, that you could TELL that's exactly what Seth was going for.
So regardless of what he said, Seth Macfarlane is not going anywhere. He's going to keep making Family Guy, one way or another.
*How or why did the writer's themselves change on the inside?*
Well its simple; back during Family Guy's early years, it got cancelled. But the show was so popular that it was brought back. A few years later, it got cancelled AGAIN...and just like last time, it was SO popular, that it was brought back.
...and the writers' know that.
It's just like Enter once said on his previous reviews; Family Guy has been killed, and come back from the dead TWICE now. And the writers' have this notion that, THAT is the norm. That Family Guy cannot be stopped; that it's somehow impervious to being cancelled or taken off the air.
Which is why they keep doing what they're doing, and acting like they can get away with it. It's basically created a climate or consensus feeling of, "Who is going to stop us?"
Family Guy has even JOKED about this entire concept in previous episodes; they pointed out how irresponsible Fox is with their merchandise - bringing up the show's two-cancellations, as "Idiotic."
Dr. Dhoom When Brian was a good character ^^^
Now he knowingly gives STDs to babies because he thinks its funny to permanently harm someone.
***** One sentence folks. One giant, accurate and thought-out sentence.
The "joke" with saying she's gotten a lot better is implying that she was the problem
I think the part with the abuser getting his face smashed into a car grill suggested he was the bigger problem
That's messed up
@@terrybakersbagboydiaries4678 most likely
Can we stop defending Family Guy by saying it's "allowed to do anything" just because it's a comedy show, satirical and made by Seth MacFarlane. He isn't above criticism just because he makes decent racist jokes that make people laugh. That's cheap yet effective. Making actually humorous content takes time, effort and thought. Stop it.
dude literally no one at all is defending family guy
+Caleb Cook You obviously haven't read a lot of the comments below.
What's a decent racist joke?
"What do you call a black guy in space?", "I dunno, what?", "An astronaut."
...Wait, is that even a racist joke? It's literally only funny because it subverts the expectation of some sort of pun, or slur. Well, that's the closest thing to a racist joke I've ever found funny, anyway.
Yeah. It's more of a subversion and a joke on the person trying to beat you to it before you wham them.
I'm remembering something Doug Walker said (in his Twilight Breaking Dawn pt1 review): "It's like [Channel Awesome] off to do Hamlet, okay? We don't go there. We KNOW we're not good enough! It's like Adam Sandler doing a Holocaust movie. NO. He makes dumb movies but he doesn't make dumb mistakes! They're calculated. They KNOW the audience. They know what they are. [Twilight,] You're shit, stay to shit!"
All that applies to this. Family Guy, you're a dumb shock comedy, stay to that.
But wouldn't that make this episode a perfect special treat. It provides shock comedy in the worst way possible.
@@dylansmith5206 I wrote this before the ChangeTheChannel thing came along, and his and CA's sins came into light. I agree with you. Doug is a terrible producer, a terrible critic, and a terrible person. His ego has clouded his judgement and he is unwilling to understand his own mistakes, and unwilling to understand/listen to other people's feelings and opinions. He has gone against everything he has projected and become the villain he originally rallied against. And he, along with his company and die-hard fanbase, are the only ones who don't see it.
@@Account_Not_Applicable Even though your comment is heavily outdated. It still had good intentions and the point remains the same (regardless of the asshole saying it) Don't feel bad, dude :D
@Liz Lee You would rather watch a guy who raped a lesbian? That makes you part of the problem. *The Simpsons* looks like a 90s relic the longer it goes on. *Seinfeld* is hard to take anymore because of Michael Richards' racism. Lucille Ball learned every wrong lesson from the success of *I Love Lucy* and her post-Desi Arnaz work proves it.
@@Attmay Not really. And no, a hyperbole does not make you "part of the problem."
-Sees its a Family Guy episode-
"And I thought he was reviewing a piece of shit LAST TIME"
Ba Doop Doop!
😂😂😂
Ironically, he was nicer about the ACTUAL piece of shit.
Jo Hartman the shit also had more care into it, then an episode of one of the most profitable shows on television!
I wonder how long it will take in till this review will get taken down for copyright.
john did say his's going take it down himself.
Nick Montoya what will the fox say?
Brian Kent Pirrie COPYRIGHT COPYRIGHT COPYRIGHT
I think he may of found a way around Fox
Logan Wilson dear god i hope so
Family Guy's reality:
Domestic abuse is funny
Real life reality:
Domestic abuse is NOT funny!
You shouldn’t look to Family Guy for moral lessons.
Sure, I’ll concede that the episode maybe does take itself a bit too seriously, and the humor was lacking, but I don’t think it’s the train wreck everyone makes it out to be.
@@RYMAN1321 Nobody looks to Family Guy for moral lessons. The writers are the one's who tried having a moral and took everything seriously and they messed up.
@@retron99 That's exactly what I said, that it took itself too seriously, which doesn't fit the show.
Domestic abuse is not funny at all!
@@retron99 here’s the only truth I have on the writers of Family Guy, they all have a dark fetish for making torture porn. Along with even going as far to make humans and animals have sex with each other goes to show they are into bestiality. When it comes to stuff like this kind of humor, they made in this episode. Yeah, they should’ve taken notes from South Park. I mean they make a lot of dark humor South Park, but at least they actually go straight to the point and don’t continue this dramatic approach in the way of Family Guy, does it. Another thing that really pissed me off about the episode was how Joe literally knows what’s going on and he doesn’t do anything. Going as far to say he can’t arrest Jeff until Brenda files, a complaint that’s incredibly stupid. Now yes in most cases, there has to be charges brought against the assailants, but the truth is, if it’s happening out in public and there’s proof the law can Intervine immediately. And here’s another fun fact, quagmire if he really cared about his sister, why doesn’t he turning the video footage of what’s going on in his home his sister is getting beaten inside his home? I mean he literally has footage all he has to do is give that into Joe or anyone who’s not Joe who is useless anyway. I’m still mad that all this time he lied about how he really got crippled. I know it seems harsh of me, but now when I look at that all the episode, I sound like flapjack calling him out in front of everybody. Actually know what it would be nicer. If family guy did an episode where Stewie went back in time with Brian and this time Stewie interrupted the barbecue call him a liar.
“The fact that you are being abused has affected *my life* in the following ways”
How can someone write that taking it dead seriously?
lesson Learnt:
Shitty characters do not = good characters.
but...
Shitty characters do = hugely successful show.
Seems legit
Pumpkin Smasher79 Shit he's figured me out! ABORT ABORT!!!
Son of Tiamat (formerly known as tiakpark) Its called milking your Fans of all they are worth to push a shitty agenda.
Unlike Simpsons though, i can confidently say the older episodes ARE good!
Son of Tiamat (formerly known as tiakpark) I know what you mean. The worst part is, thanks to Cosmos, we do know that he's still capable of quality work. For whatever reason, he just refuses to live up to it.
Salokin Sekwah I've only watched the very first episode of Family Guy and can quite say it was the poorest piece of shit next to Hitler and Starlin combined.
Hotsex spy Thank god you got out early!
Family guy doesn't care. They like being taken seriously when it comes to viewings, but when people consider the messages FG is sending, their attitude transforms into 'it's a joke, don't take it seriously'. They want the attention but take no responsibility. The only thing i can laugh about here is the irony of an incurable pervert telling his sister that she's less than a woman for being dysfunctional, and that abusive people must be murdered because they never change. Oh boy.
That's basically their entire problem; you can't want attention, but not want to own it. That's not how art of any kind works...
ElectricMayhem87 (Ashleigh) You said it
Better them murdered then being allowed to make the world crappier why keep the problem
Family Guy used to be a brilliant show with smart, witty characters and jokes. Now it's complete crap.
Jimbo yea I watch the older episodes the new ones are complete trash
Jimbo I know my god road to Rhode Island, and I dream of Jesus are great. Then Seth macfarline decidess to fuck up. No it's not a fuck up he knows what he's doing!
The older episodes weren't funny though.
Zero effort Regardless of whether they were funny or not they were still far better written. The only time I really think Family Guy is good anymore is when they do a Road To... episode and even they've started to decline a bit recently. Those episodes are an example of what the show can still be when the writers really try but we don't see it often enough.
Jimbo NO, god no. No! NOOOO
I'm glad that Mr.Enter reviewed this episode as an Animated Atrocitie because when I first saw this episode, I FOUND IT TO BE EXTREMLY FUCKING HORRIFYING!!!!!
Don't know why people found this horrifying I witnessed myself when my mom was beaten by my stepfather and when I say it I found it to be informative and spot on. People are only complaining because it was a woman that was hit and not a man. Change gender and you would not be horrified.
Excelia J. I am talking based on how the general public sees domestic abuse towards men. Plus by your logic you can't comment either because you don't know if she would not be horrified either
Nelcomarproductions how can I not be horriflied by a person being beaten up in a abusive relationship? And Men can be victims of Domestic violence too.
Oralia Pichler if you read my message I said that men can sumer domestic abuse. All said was that if you swap the genders people would not find it horrifying
Nelcomarproductions I will be still horriflied whether the victim is a male or female
This video is amazing. You have a FAR better grasp of the dynamics of an abusive relationship (its physical and psychological consequences on the victim, and the circumstances under which law enforcement can and cannot intervene) than the writers of this show can even hope to be. This (as well as Seahorse Seashell Party) simply reaffirms my belief that Family Guy cannot, and should not, try to tackle serious real life issues (domestic abuse, abortion, homosexuality, etc.). Suffice to say, you're a lot more intelligent, mature, and insightful with regard to what makes high quality cartoons than most of these hacks that pose as writers. You should work at Nick, Fox, or Cartoon Network; you'd make one hell of a writer and you'd definitely help turn a lot of shows around.
MsZigzagger
This. A million times this.
Luffyiscool Thank you. It's nice to see that someone can understand my frustrations with the declined quality of kids' cartoons and adult animation in this day and age. I sometimes wonder what happened to shows like Hey Arnold, Justice League, and other shows that both adults and kids could learn important life lessons from while still being enjoyable. Nowadays, some writers and TV executives have sacrificed good taste, humor, and great stories with wonderful characters in order to pander to the lowest common denominator. This is especially prevalent in shows like SpongeBob, Mr. Pickles, Teen Titans Go, and Family Guy.
MsZigzaggeriscool Thankfully, we still have high quality shows to look forward to instead, such as Gravity Falls, MLP, Steven Universe, and other 90s cartoons that most of us grew up watching.
MsZigzagger stop getting so offended its family guy if you get offended easily then don't watch it
family guy tried to be straight up serious while being incredibly ignorant about the issues it was addressing. if you don't see why that's worth being offended over, don't bother talking.
I’m not gonna lie, the worst part of all this is how they treat the abuse victim
she could’ve been an interesting and sympathetic character, but the way the show says the abuse is her fault and having the episode literally end by calling her garbage really says it all
Family Guy sucks
"It's okay to hurt Meg, treat her like shit, but if it happens to someone else, it's completely wrong!"
You know, Quagmaire(however you spell his last name) is a complete hypocrite..
Quagmire is his last name. Glenn is his first name.
I find it funny how the new Harley Quinn comics are taking a more adult, reasonable, believable, and realistic approach on domestic abuse, as well as a way out of the abuse using all of the above parameters.
I watched a Tyler Perry movie once called "Madea's Family Reunion" and one of the subplots was about a woman who was in an abusive relationship and being battered by her fiance. While it was still over the top in typical Tyler Perry fashion, it was still more realistic than Family Guy's portrayal of domestic abuse.
That movie is so good.
your name is kind of strange to me
valeri kruvka It's the username I chose and have had for years. I like it, and that's really all that matters
no is just that I don't like chaos that's it
valeri kruvka Well then that's, like, your opinion man.
You know the real depressing part about this episode? A McFarland show handled abusive relationships much better long before this aired. It was the American Dad episode "A.T. the Abusive Terrestrial". In it, after Steve gets annoyed, Roger befriends a boy named Henry, who process to be a violent manipulative jerk. Roger keeps coming back to Henry because the latter either plays the victim card or promises something fun. But in the end, Roger abandons Henry when Steve points out that their relationship, while flawed, is still healthy and genuine.
American Dad has always been better and funnier. Feels like more effort goes into their writing on that show.
The episode tried to portray Stockholm syndrome. STEVEN UNIVERSE PORTRAYED IT BETTER!! At least it made sense! A kids Cartoon which was an analogy to sex portrayed it perfectly! Family Guy needs to straighten up!
So did Avatar (see Zuko's pre-Heel Face Turn loyalty to his abusive father).
Daniel Yahazkali Yeah Lapidot is life! But I also like Amedot to (please don't kill me) lol.
I was referring to "Alone At Sea" when Jasper comes back and even though Lapis trapped her and kept her prisoner, Jasper still wanted her. It's like Stockholm Syndrome which is when a victim develops affection to their captor or abuser. In Alone At Sea, Jasper has a reason to want Lapis back, fusion makes one be and feel stronger. Whether they're being trapped or not, it's a feeling that's like no other.
In this episode, Brenda has NO REASON to stay with Jeff! If they had looked into how they got together and why Brenda sugarcoats Jeff's actions, it would've made us feel more sympathy towards her. But they don't give us anything! It makes her look stupid and causes the characters to berate and insult her! A three year old show can raise awareness for abuse more then a 16 year old show can!
Yeah I got a little crazy! I'm just really insulted by this episode like he is. That's my opinion.
So did the New Adventures of Batman.
@@dontdrinkacetone6058 Well, it's somewhat implied since Lapis was the one holding Jasper in the fusion
Matt and Trey were always right about family guy.
+Sidar Erdem they said they hate the writing and overuse of gag humor.
+Sidar Erdem of course. South Park isn't perfect ether.
Andres Mejia I prefer Family Guy over South Park.
They are no better. As far as I'm concerned Family Guy and South Park both suck and resort to shock and cheap laughs pretending to be ground breaking and clever.
@@MichaelBlaneWalker Me, too. I gave SP chance after chance after chance but I cannot take their smugness, false equivalences, ugly art, and their repetitive jokes that they insist are **ZOMG THE FUNNIEST THING YOU EVER HEARD OR YOU'RE A FREE-SPEECH HATING FASCIST WHO HATES 'MURKA!** What's so fucking funny about mispronouncing the same goddamn word over and over again?
Seth Macfarlane should really take some notes on South Park on the proper way to make serious issues both laughable and offensive imo.
solipsisticbliss. I don't even remember an instance where south park even based a full episode off domestic abuse.
Seth Macfarlane didn't write this episode.
klunsgod But the show's his. All this smut is made under his direction and watch lol
solipsisticbliss. Alright, but i wanted you to know, a-ight?
**akwardly steps away from the conversation**
The only thing he does is voice some of the characters. He's wanted this show to end for years but Fox won't let him. This was directed by downing else, I forget his name. Seth has nothing to do with this.
In context, there is another episode in which Quagmire rapes a teenage girl, for no better reason than that he could do so. This is excused, because she's a mean girl. Arguably, Quagmire is an even worse monster than his sister's abuser. This makes him a very poor choice to be the mouthpiece of morality.
Hm, a mouthpeice, the very thing people hate Brian for being. *How interesting* ...
There's an episode that ends with Quagmire saying "dear diary: jackpot!" when he finds a teenage girl tied up in the high school bathroom.
Remember that in one of the Halloween specials, Quagmire states he has every STD in the book, but he still has sex with random strangers. He even tried getting Meg in one episode.
like me enter said,quagmire is not one to talk.
family guy trys so hard to be emotional, but it sucks so hard at it lol
futurama and Simpsons did it so organically but family forces it
futurama is the epitomy of perfection, it is even to good as said by the borg
@@starrynights467 Futurama handles emotional stories very well and even The Simpsons managed it on rare occasions. South Park has done likewise and that's pretty amazing for a scatalogical show that plays social commentary just right.
Screams of Silence is one of the rare occasions where I think a piece of art isn't just bad, but *morally repugnant.*
I don't know how a whole writer's room full of people signed off on a script that bills itself as a serious dramatic look at domestic abuse but is dripping with contempt for domestic abuse victims.
Quagmire gets slow, sad zoom ins on his crying face, while his sister gets jokes about how stupid and submissive she is. Plus a speech from her own damn brother about how she doesn't deserve to be considered a woman.
"Jeff's so sweet. You don't know how soft and gentle he hits me when we're alone". She is damaged REALLY badly.
As someone who grew up on Batman: the Animated Series, let me tell you that I find The Joker a much more realistic take on domestic abusers and that is just sad.
Yep
i had an uncle who beat my cousins for years and watching this just made me mad. I lost 6 members of my family because of that bastrd but family guy just laughs about the subject
Wow :( MY deepest condolences
Damn. I'm sorry about your cousins. Forget family guy, they don't know how to be funny or respectful.
i mean...it is a funny subject. just because it happened to you doesnt mean it isnt
Nothing is banned from being joked about
+Andrew Marshall Domestic Abuse is a funny subject?
Quagmire: “Do you think these kinds of people change? NO! They just keep ruining people’s lives and the world would just be better off without them!!”
Me: which includes people like you, and Peter, and brian, and Herbert, and Lois quagmire.
What I am about to say may anger some, and if it does, I am truly sorry. I understand that it takes a great deal of strength to endure such a toxic relationship, and an even greater amount of strength to get out of it... but...
My mother was in an extremely abusive relationship, one she chose to remain in for going on ten years now. I'm not going to make any friends with this comment, but as she ended up choosing him over her own children, opting to throw her children out...well, let's say that was the last time I chose to see her. And for the last two years, I completely broke contact with her.
The man in question abused me, abused my brother, and despite my numerous attempts to try to get her out of it, she kept going back to him. Yes, I wish him death, I hope he dies a slow, excruciating, horrible death because of the immense cruelty he has delivered upon my family, but for choosing to go back to him, I no longer care what happens to my mother. My grudge with her goes back much further than this, she has constantly put herself over me and my brother even when we were babies, so to me, she was never truly a mother to begin with.
Now, this isn't to say I agree with Quagmire's ridiculous intervention, as we never see Brenda do anything to deserve this kind of treatment. But, it does come down to one person to end the abuse - they could have all the help in the world, but as I have witnessed first-hand, all that help is useless if the person who has it chooses to do nothing with it.
Archer Slam-BAM Damn. I didn't know... I'm sorry for what you went through.
Archer Slam-BAM Oh my god... I'm so sorry to hear that... :(
Archer Slam-BAM stay strong man...
Actually? I totally get where you're coming from. She could get all the help in the world but if she doesn't take a stand for herself, then it's all meaningless.
Kudos for surviving through it all, even then you never really should have had to.
Christian Arroyo Josh Reeve Robert Wright I thankfully got out of that situation, but I will never forget it. I've learned not to let it become who I am. But, guys, thank you. :)
Sesame Street can do a very respectful job with dealing with a death of a freaking FATHER of all things, yet Family Guy FLOPS HARD at handling an abusive sweetheart?!
Facts. See, imagine Johnny, freaking, Yong, Bosch, as, Lelouch being disappointed at the Family Guy on doing so.
But they can't portray autism correctly on seasme street
@@AWasteOfYourTime8205 They actually did it pretty well before Autism Speaks reared their ugly head (originally, Sesame Workshop teamed up with ASAN, a much better autism advocacy group, to help write the character of Julia).
Ed, Edd, n Eddy did a better job with the abuse issue in the movie
GBA ikr. Even Adventure Time did in "The Silent King"
Courage did it with the mask.
A Guy That Has Different Opinions Than You Yeah everyone Hated Eddy and wanted to Abuse him them selves but not to the level Like Eddy Brother did. plus they were Family. it Definitely Change everyone point of view of him and Gave All of ed edd eddy Character development
A Guy That Has Different Opinions Than You aw and Eddy off course lol
christian6455 so true man :)
Funny how family guy failed to handle domestic violence right yet American Dad and Cleveland Show handled it greatly
True, that although American Dad is the one Seth MacFarlane series in cartoon form I can still stand to watch.
@@SamanthaJonesSATCAmerican Dad is a masterpiece compared to modern Family Guy
@AccurateDiscoFever45 Exactly, mate. Exactly. American Dad I can still tolerate. Family Guy wore out its welcome years ago and the above episode is proof of that. I'm happy to detail more atrocities FG has committed over time.
Even South Park could handle situations like that better than Family Guy.(Not implying that South Park is bad btw)
South Park is so much better
Indeed
+Sidar Erdem while it Is its also hilarious
Have you guys seen the episodes you're getting old and aspergers? Those two episodes tackle depression, I'd rather watch those episodes than screams of silence and seahorse seashell party.
South Park has always been far more hilarious.
I'm late to the party, but I gotta' say this: Don't apologize for getting angry. Anger is an emotion. It is not inherently bad. You know this. Don't apologize for getting angry and then handling yourself in a cool, collected manner, which you totally did. Don't apologize for being righteous. You did good, Mr. Enter.
As you look in the comments, always remember: Family Guy, a series perfectly willing to hold its creator hostage and a fanbase that will riot over a character that hadn't had a redeeming quality in years dying. It deserves contempt, nor defense.
It's funny, and truthful at the same time.
Family Guy? If Family Guy is "truthful" to you, your life sucks.
princesstamika I was referring to the OP's comment, not the show.
ElectricMayhem87 (Ashleigh) oh good. my bad.
Was anyone else too young to understand how bad and dark this episode was?
Me
not me
I maybe a few years younger then mr enter
but I know some people are evil
yes thanks to ThemystorousMrenter he helped me watch this episode again without rose colored glasses, and from watching this episode of family guy yesterday I saw how poorly and revolting it is, and how it gives off a poor example of domestic vilonce and not only was the episode hard to watch and extremelly cringe worthy but the scene were it looks as quagmire is strangled to death was a very uncomfertoble scene to watch. and not only has family guy lost its charm, but is respect towards others dealing with this kind of problem its sad...
No offense, but anyone too young to understand why and how this episode fucked up it too young to be watching Family Guy at all. Just because it's a cartoon does NOT make it kid friendly.
Of course not all animatoin was ment for children
Hey Family Guy, Steven Universe managed to portray this topic and actually pay it some goddamn respect. Rebecca Sugar my hat is off to you(If I owned a hat that could fit over my fat head).
Actually it seems a lot of media aimed at children and/or families tackle serious subjects well. Zootopia this year treated issues like racism with respect.
Just commented that without looking. If a kids show can portray it better then an adult show, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG! GOD BLESS REBECCA SUGAR!!
Guntherson220 Shut up, just because Steven Universe did this topic better doesn't mean that Family Guy can't do this topic. Just watch Peter's Sister
Guntherson220 Steven Universe sucks tho
@@Anonymous-js5zn Lapis was still forced though. You see her try to fly away and Jasper stops her. I see it more as...Lapis was tormented, finally free, then kidnapped. She had enough. I don't think it's supposed to be seen as Lapis being abused by Jasper in the fusion, based on what she said, as much as she suffered a lot and was abused a lot and is now beginning to stand up for herself. Jasper still wasn't the victim. Lapis was still forced, and rose about Jasper in Malachite (Jasper wanted to hurt the others, Lapis didn't). And yes, she also wanted justice for what happened to her.
9:54 Brenda is probably thinking "He knows Jeff threatened to kill me, right?"
Quagmire: Rapes multiple women throughout the show for comedy.
Also Quagmire: Kills a guy for abusing his sister.
And he calls Brian a hypocrite.
Quagmire is the worst cartoon character of all time.
Meanwhile, Quagmire gets things reversed to him in Quagmire's Quagmire.
Quagmire: You hit on Peter's wife and you're a terrible father.
Also Quagmire: I have several neglected children, but I'm going to bang Peter's wife.
And he has the nerve to badmouth Brian.
As somebody who hates how quagmire has the nerve to try and act like some sort of voice of reason, hearing mr enter lay into him at 10:13 was INCREDIBLY satisfying. He basically just explained why I hate modern quagmire word by word.
When Quagmire gave his speech about his sister being dead, I literally yelled out at the screen on how horrible that was... I mean, seriously?
"Not all abuse is like this." THANK YOU. It pisses me off immensely when hitting and extreme violence is the be all, end all of abuse. I know from experience it can just be hateful words and threats and its still abuse. Also, gotta love that ending. My mom has the same screwed opinion of "Well, i have no sympathy for you, you're choosing to stay." And whats worse is this victim blaming is so common. This abuser has so much control over this person, their actions are mostly not their own.
And what gets me is, "Domestic violence in relationships is bad! But making your daughter a literal punching bag, calling her names and making her feel less than human is okay!"
Fuck you Family Guy. I do honestly blame you partially for the way my family treats me.
Agreed on all points. I hate the victim blaming the most.
somehow it makes me so happy to see someone ripping family guy apart finally
you sir are a hero, that show is toxic garbage
My thoughts exactly.
And to add insult to injury, Meg tells Brenda to stay in the relationship. This is either a reference to Seahorse Seashell Party, or to remind us that Meg is psychologically damaged.
simbasorariku3 Probably The Second Theory.
simbasorariku3 Dear Family Guy writers, *pointing out your own terrible writing doesn't make it any better.*
They actually established Quamire's sister's abusive relationship in the episode where he hates Brian that comes out of nowhere.
Scsigs And that is only glossed over for what a few seconds. Also Quagmire blames Brian's presence as making an already escalating situation worse.
True, but at least it doesn't come bumfuck out of nowhere like the main subject of that episode.
You mean the episode Jerome is the new Black?
*****
Yes, I do.
Also, Patrick, I'm not saying I disagree. I'm just saying it didn't just fall out of the sky. It does need more development though. Plus, Family Guy can't even do COMEDY right anymore, so what were they thinking trying to handle these serious topics in the first place?
You know what's stupid? A recent episode of Family Guy showed Peter standing in front of some river, then a boat appears and in that boat is all the people who died throughout the series. It's basically heaven to Peter. And at one point, if you look closely, you'll be able to see that Brenda is on that ship, which basically implies that Brenda is DEAD
Really? What episode???
@@raptordaptor476 Coma Guy
@onion boi Well, I really hope that it happens, because I would like to know how Brenda is doing without Jeff, in case she is even slightly better off and didn't find a new Jeff. Tom Tucker: The Man and His Dream found a way to bring James Woods back to life, so who's to say it will never happen to Brenda? Come to think of it...you never actually saw her die, did you? June 25, 2020, 11:22am
onion boi Unlikely. Family Guy is more or less pretty consistent with killing off characters for real and only having them appear again as a ghost (aside from Brian).
also 'I call you a person not a woman' the way that it's phrased implies that women are not people. and this is said by the guy we''re supposed to side with in this episode. riiight
It's another example of MacFarlane's misogyny along with the emasculation of Quagmire's father. There is literally nothing but dysfunction in that family, and this episode failed to put any of that in context. The opportunity to do it right was there, but they squandered it shamelessly and settled for one false equivalence after another. That makes it all the more ironic that Quagmire's takedown of Brian was one of the show's finest moments.
Also quite ironically considering the fate of its star, *Silver Spoons* did a better job dealing with it, too, when the topic of domestic abuse came up regarding fathers who hit their sons; Meeno Peluce, who co-starred with Joel Higgins on his previous series *Best of the West,* was the boy in question there. At least they don't try to make you feel like a dork or a reactionary for caring.
Best PSA ever: This is your brain *holds up egg*
This is your brain on drugs: *fries egg in pan*
Xylynthian Any Questions?
So you're telling me that my brain on drugs is a healthy nutritious breakfast that helps my brain grow I should do some drugs
David Harding Is my brain part of a good breakfast?
David Harding Is it true you can't make an omelet without breaking some brains?
Am i the only one who thought of the nostalgia critics top drug PSAs?
My mom was in a abusive relationship but got out of it to protect me and my brother
I'm sorry to hear that. Hope she's OK. Good on her for getting out of it.
How can people excuse this as comedy? I don't get it. And I'm the guy, who usually laughs at 9/11 jokes.
WTF
Thane3999 I'm becoming increasingly convinced that people who defend _Family Guy_ nowadays are fans from back when it was decent and are just in denial about how horrible it's become, so they use the "it's a comedy" excuse to convince themselves that the show is anything like it once was.
Everyone thinks 9/11 jokes are funny, the only people who don't are people who are too busy being offended to even see there's a joke
+Eman Evitaerc That's usually because people are joking about 9/11 because they KNOW just how tragic it was, and it, whether they wanted it to be or not, became a huge part of their lives and American identity. They joke about it in order to ease the pain, and the pain for fellow Americans. People that get offended at the tamest of 9/11 jokes mostly seem to think everything is black or white (i.e. "this thing was tragic and horrible, so you cannot joke about it, regardless of the context")
But, y'know, on the other side of that, there are people who think EVERYTHING is okay to joke about, so instead of just joking about 9/11, they start joking about the people who died inside or terrorist attacks in general, which isn't a part of their life at all, making it seriously offensive. Those people are just as bad as the "everything is black or white" people to me.
(sorry for making this look like a rant or something, btw)
Eman Evitaerc Yeah, agreed.
I've always hated Quagmire's character. Heck, I've always hated EVERY character in this show. But this? This is just flat out disgusting. Thank you, Mr. Enter, this pile of trash deserves every bit of hatred you gave it.
I agree!!
This episode makes me feel kind of sick, I've been abused but it wasn't physical, it was psychological. She kept making me feel trapped. She lied to me at every turn, forced me into being sexual, and did everything she could to make me feel worse and worse. She would talk about something that hurt me, claim that she thought I wouldn't be hurt. She told me to kill myself, and every time I tried to get out of it, she threatened to kill herself if I left her, after she yelled at me the previous day for absolutely nothing. I would treat her with respect and she would throw me around psychologically. respect buys disrespect apparently. I know there's nice people who watch these videos, idk what people think this episode of family guy is well interpretation, but they really don't know how it feels to be abused. I'm glad to say I'm out of the relationship, and I warned the last guy she was with about her doing what she did to me.
Bro, I'm so sorry you had to go through that. I've suffered psychological abuse from both my parents and an ex-girlfriend, so I know where you're coming from in this. I wouldn't wish any form of abuse on anyone, not even my worst enemies.
Same here. And let me guess, because you lived with them they think they can get away with it.
LowResGamr Oh dear. I'm sorry you had to go through that. *Hugs*
I. Was. Horrified. At Quaqmire's speech to Brenda. Wow. Just. Fucking. Wow.
I know, anyone who said that or condone that doesn’t deserve another chance.
There’s ways to tactfully handle tough or inherently grim subjects, Family Guy completely misses the mark. As someone whose experienced domestic violence myself, this episode just gives terrible flashbacks to instances when I was being abused. The fact that thus shows tries to make jokes out of Brenda being physically beaten by her boyfriend is NOT ok. It is currently estimated that 50-60% of women murdered were killed by their romantic partner.
Domestic violence is a very real, serious issue. It’s estimated that a minimum of 25-33% of women and 14% men will experience domestic violence at some point in their life. Comedy is supposed to make you laugh, not give you flashbacks to a traumatizing point in your life.
This is the episode where my dad stopped watching Family Guy - it's the perfect example of misguided lessons in comedy shows. Sadly it's not the only show - I'd argue many comedy animated shows have two-sided lessons from stop abuse to just tolerate abuse.
Ways in which this plot could have worked (based on my own experiences with abuse):
1. All of the abuse happens behind closed doors, with nobody suspecting a thing. Jeff appears to be such a nice, likable person, that Brenda does not dare speak out about his abuse, for fear of beings called crazy and even shunned by the other characters, leaving her to face Jeff completely alone.
2. They DO suspect abuse towards Brenda, but decide to look the other way, or even try to rationalize it. Reasons may include Jeff being sick, disabled, or something else that invokes sympathy, Brenda not fitting the image of "the ideal victim", or people simply liking Jeff too much to face the truth (yes, that actually happens).
3. Brenda is being abused by Jeff in more subtle, psychological ways, and because of the over-the-top portrayal of domestic abuse in the media, nobody takes her seriously.
4. Brenda turns out to be the one abusing Jeff. She is able to hold power over him by making HIM look like the abuser in front of other people. Because of their appearances and societal stereotypes, everyone seems to fall for it.
My dude thank you. I've been saying this for years. Family guy wants to be taken seriously but can't give the effort. They want an Emmy so badly but again give no effort. The show should have died at season 3
The entire Quagmire speech section says to me that the writer has no idea how abuse works and somehow thinks the victim is stupid for not just walking away. Really ignorant stuff.
What's more ignorant than that, is this guy's inability to understand and differentiate between"genuine criticism", and "trolling."
FYI, according to a later episode, Brenda actually DIED at some point later. I can only assume it was either suicide or her new Jeff.
What episode was that
@@pranavrao6370 Season 18's "Coma Guy".
@@dylanmaldet6643 didn't notice that
Everyone using the excuse "family guy was never meant to be serious" just more proves the point of how pathetic this is, and how pathetic the people commenting are. Even if it's not meant to be serious, it's still portraying a serious issue like a joke, and that's unacceptable. Even if it's "just a cartoon" it's still ridiculously insensitive to such a serious matter. And don't use the argument that I'm an SJW, I resent the term SJW and absolutely hate those types of people.
Tezza I know its a really old comment but I advocate that everything can be make fun of. But the issue must be portrayed masterfully. It cannot be disgusting joke after serious tone then another disgusting joke. It has to convey a message presented by clever comedy. Obviously this episode is not. Its bad, is in poor taste and its oblivious to the content it wants to take fun of.
The weird thing? South Park actually handled the whole domestic abuse situation better during Season 21.
And several other children’s shows, such as Steven Universe, and Courage the cowardly Dog.
Which episode from South Park is that?
The fact that I myself used to live in an abusive relationship, both "Screams of Silence" and "Seahorse Seashell Party" are really hard to watch.
For what I see, like in Harry Potter there are 3 Unforgivable Curses, in the real world there are 3 Unforgivable Crimes:
- Abuse (Of any kind) is the Imperious Curse, since whoever does it seeks control over other people;
- Rape (being physical or brainwashing) is the Cruciatus Curse, since both rape and torture are often described as fates worse than death itself;
- Murder is for obvious reasons the Killing Curse
Great review as always, and I completely agree. This episode was just typical Family Guy. Had terrible morals, treated serious issues very poorly, and was just mean-spirited. No need to apologize for getting angry, Mr. Enter. This episode deserves it!
TheRich4270 That's what I thought. He shouldn't apoligize, this episode deserves the anger.
TheRich4270 "Had terrible morals, treated serious issues very poorly, and was just mean-spirited." Family Guy is not supposed to be taken seriously.
Dumple Doofus I know that. Some people take it seriously, some don't. But to me this episode was just awful, both comedy-wise and seriousness-wise. But if you like it, that's alright. I respect your opinion.
TheRich4270 Actually, I don't care for this episode. The only reason why I made that comment was because you were taking this episode way too seriously from a show that was never serious and never had good morals because of it.
Dumple Doofus I see.