Porsche 911 Turbo S vs Jaguar F-Type R Coupe: Hillclimb Roadtest
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Goodwood Hillclimb Roadtest: Porsche 911 Turbo S vs Jaguar F-Type R Coupe EB
On a superficial level, things look set for a pretty fair fight. A pair of svelte, highly desirable premium sports coupes, each boasting roughly 550 horsepower, and each costing the thick end of a terraced street in Rotherham.
You needn't scratch too far beneath the surface to find significant differences, of course. One has its engine where the golf clubs are supposed to go, four-wheel-drive and twin turbos. The other is a rear-wheel-driver, with a blown V8 and two fewer seats.
So how to sort this one out then?
Back-to-back on the Goodwood Hillclimb of course, with our very own 'King of the Hill' Anthony Reid on driving duties!
We'll say no more, and let the video do the talking... - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Jag in 2016 put AWD on this platform....amazing... and far superior handling than the Generation tested here .
Driving should be about enjoyment, so for me it has to be the Jag.
Agree with this review based on my experience with my V8S. HOWEVER, when taking my Jag to track days, Sebring, Homestead, Daytona etc, you need to be a racecar driver to squeeze the best out of the Jag, which I am not. Oversteer, on corner entry, in the corner, corner exit. A lot of fun but a handful compared with my BMW.
But the brutish nature an sound of the Jag trumps all. I find myself laughing out loud when driving the Jag......priceless.
jaguar all the way...
The sound of the jag gave me a eargasm
Came here looking for an actual “hill climb” race/test
"a well-behaved washing machine" haha
Jaguar F type R
It's amazing :)
The Jag is iron fist in a Savill Row suite. The Porker is like dentist room, very clean and precise but doesn't exactly set my underpants on fire.
The Jag for me
Jaguar is epic in every way, imagine an F-Type RS or GT version!!!
Porsche is not easy on the eye and that interior looks similar to vomit, my Dyson sounds more exciting than the 911 aswell.
Wow. You have a Dyson? I have always wanted a Dyson. How is it?
I agree with our hosts 100%! Unfortunately, Jaguar gets only 10% of the attention it deserves. That translates into an even bigger bargain for those buying second hand barely used F-Types!
i usually go porsche,but that damn that f ass. i saw one in orange and i found myself just stare to it for half an hour lol
TEH KOTAK and the sound
Bring them both to Pikes Peak in the USA.....THAT'S a proper Hill Challenge. The track measures 12.42 miles (19.99 km) over 156 turns, climbing 4,720 ft (1,440 m) from the start at Mile 7 on Pikes Peak Highway, to the finish at 14,110 ft (4,300 m), on grades averaging 7.2%.[1] It used to consist of both gravel and paved sections, however as of August 2011, the highway is fully paved and as a result all subsequent running's will be on tarmac from start to finish. Bring the Petrol Boys.....LETS RACE! (Jag Owner (XKR) here)
The porsche is faster, way faster and I like it, but the jag has the voice of god.
Would like to see them do this again with the AWD R vs. the same 911 or perhaps a 911 GTS as that may be more inline to the Jag price-wise than the Turbo
I pick mine up in 3 days v8 supercharged f type...can't wait.
I bought a 2016 XF 35T in 2018. I'm quite happy with it.
jaguar = high fashion + high performance
porchse = high performance + avg fashion (contemporary perception)
now that the F-Type AWD is out, should'nt this be done again?
I thought the F-type always was available with AWD. The one I test drove had it.
@@FogeyePiefoot when first released there were only RWD models
There is talk of an F-Type RS convertible, 600 BHP, lowered suspension etc...
Before I watched this, I thought the looks of the F-type were unbeatable, but judging from scene at 7:02 , the Turbo actually catches my eye more. Beautiful.
nah my dads mate had one for about a month then got a jag and a Bentley
purplefabian hate bugattis there shit. Jags, Bentleys, aston martin are amazing good cars all round
I agree. It's almost as if the Jag by itself somehow looks better than the Porsche does by itself. But when you sit them side-by-side, the Porsche actually looks better. It's a weird phenomenon.
I traded my 2016 Porsche 4S Cab on a Jaguar F Type R Cab and have never looked back. Loved the Porsche but the Jag is a whole different animal, “Loud & Proud!” Part sports car, part Muscle Car! The best of both worlds!
Compering a Jaguar with a car that cost £50.000. more....has got to say hell of a lot for the JAGUAR I luv it....
I remember,vaguely being in that mansion about 15 yrs ago, totally stoned on Afgan hashish, running butt ass naked in my suede wing tips while chugging Louie 13th cognac, chasing 3 naked, super fine nymphos for 1 hr. in the front yard, back yard about 4 pm until I found my quest keys and magic white dust . Hours later wrecked my gazelle chopper on take off. Geico though sent another pilot (naked blond lizard), then did it all over since those 3 fine ladies were tied to a tree in the back, covered in the magic powder ,each with their borrle of Louie 13th. Damn lucky I lost the fob for the Jag!
impressive driving by Anthony haha
Good stuff
Good video Thanks! , I learned something new!!!
Jaguar rear wheel drive against Porsche all wheel drive? Put it against a 911 with rear wheel drive and I think the outcome will be different. Regardless, the Jag is more fun to drive for $50 grand less. The choice is clear pay more for a car that looks like some kind of bug or own a beautiful car that is more fun to drive for a lot less money. I bought the R Coupe!! I have to enjoy walking up to the car as much as driving it. God it's a wonderful car to drive.
You comment sounds like a 12 year old typed it.. doubt you own anything
Clous von lol. He does
Damn i wish I had an F-Type R
the people sitting by the computer saying the Porsche is better: 95% of you have never driven the F-type so be quiet. The F-type is amazing
the fact the the turbo S is the better car, makes me want to buy the F type R even more! beautiful car and the noise is just sublime. both are great cars however personally id go for the Jag!
P-Zeros are family tires. With Cup2s the Jag eviscerates the Turbo S. And with an 800HP tune and an TCU tune, its lights out for the tiny 6 cylinder. The Jag is monstrously faster.
This was silly. Porsche 911 Turbo S will stomp on nearly any production car at Goodwood. It will do so easily, over and over again and it will not break, overheat or fade. You will need a McLaren or Ferrari to even get close to the speed of the Porsche 911 Turbo S.
JETWAKE - "You will need a McLaren or Ferrari to even get close to the speed of the Porsche 911 Turbo S" LOLOLOL
true!!!theres only two v6 cars that goes as fast as v8,v10and sametimes v12.(and thats porce 911turbo s and gtr nissmo.)
The f-type is already an amazing car. I have the AWD, and it’s even better. Would hands down take it over the 911
Jackson Hasn't,,,in your dreams
This sort of test is missing the point of the F-Type. Even in R spec, the F-Type is supposed to be a modern day interpretation of the E-Type of the '60s (which drew its inspiration from the D-Type sportscar racecar), and taking that in mind, even Jaguar will tell you the F-Type was designed to be a powerful grand touring car. A powerful long distance cruiser that was never specifically meant to be a track-day car. Pitting it against a Porsche 911 Turbo S is totally missing the point. Even with both cars having similar power and a similar weight, the 911 Turbo is and has always been built to be an out and out track-day machine. Looks-wise, I think few can argue the F-Type has the 911 beat, which should be the case because again, the F-Type is a modern interpretation of one of the most beautiful cars ever created, the E-Type. So in my ever humble opinion, a test like this is missing the "in your face" fact that the F-Type was designed and built to be a beautiful, powerful, and comfortable grand touring car, not a track-focused beast. So declaring the 911 Turbo the winner in this test because of its performance is a moot point. One who gets it would be like, "ok, the 911 Turbo is faster. But if I'm in the market for a gorgeous, powerful GT, I really can't go wrong with an F-Type."
Umm, the turbo is a GT car... not built to be a track weapon. The gt3 is the track version of the 911.
Connor Twomey Yeah but I'm not talking about professional drivers. I'm talking about the average person who does the occasional track day. In that way it's a track day machine. Of course the GT3 is the more track focused car, but a turbo is also something someone can use as a track day weapon, as well as a grand touring car. But if people just wanted a nice grand touring car alone, a Carrera S is all they need if they want a 911.
Sandra Rios by that logic the f - type R is more of a track focused car, the v6 would be the GT car. This f-type has beefed up springs and dampers, a loud supercharged v-8, 20" wheels, and doesn't even have rear seats. I wouldn't consider that a dedicated GT car more than the 911 turbo is.
Connor Twomey However you wanna look at it. I am so tired of having petty little arguments on here.
Whatever car you are lucky enough to have, use it as you wish. No categorization necessary.
But I still the the F-Type, in all it's carnations, is more of a GT that one can have in greater and greater performance flavors. The 911 is form follows function. The F-Type is a beautiful car that can be had with high performance.
The Porsche is a good car but the Jag is more special, its similar to Ferrari and McLaren, although the McLaren is by far the better car most of us would still choose a Ferrari.
i'd get a Mclaren
W-James you a right is I want is the Ferrari or the Posche only. Not a Jack. I owe one Posche & I ❤️Posche.....
Neither.
I'm not on a track and as everyone points out it is the joy of driving I'll wait until they come to their senses and put in a third pedal.
If that happens the Jag might be the only car to tear me out of my 911 turbo. (Except maybe a GT3)
Everyone on this page has excellent taste I might add!
the last phrase sums it up perfectly. i'd have the jag, knowing that the 911 is a better car. but i could not care less about that ;)
Give me the F Type any day.....
i cant believe that jag is that beastly
jag all the way
I'd prefer the F-Type. Porsche Turbo screams of midlife crisis, and the F-type can be bought as a tame kitten with a six cylinder cab version. And the roar of those cats is just unbelieveable.
I understand that the Porsche 911 Turbo S is a faster car in a straight line, handles better, and has more prestige. I won't deny these things. But, being a designer and someone who loves emotion and theater, I would take the F Type R any day of the week, even if the Jag cost more (luckily its a lot less). Now, I just gotta work on affording one :)
More like an Overrated car brand and people always over hyping when the brand makes something new and it's just a never ending saga.Mean while you got Jag that came a long way from being only a luxury car that only appeals to old people to reverting back to their original bad azz sports cars that are faster and better than any sports car that also come with the looks of almost being an affordable exotic car.For it not being overrated and over hyped like other car brands and for people that don't know much about cars to recognize the prestige of Jaguar,it's hard for them to grasp the concept of what Jaguar brand have achieved when they started back making foreign muscle cars
911 is the pretty, smart and elegant woman... F Type is the gorgeous, adventure girl
That adventure girl would get destroyed by the elegant woman on the track ;) So, how about that?
it's not a car yet that my Jag haven't beat unless they moded their slow shit lol
I knew he had more fun in Jag, just by seeing 6:23. A hooligan would pick Jag :)
Jag...Jag...Jag...
Time to re-test with the 2020s
I seem to be in the minority of people that find the Porsche to be utterly boring in appearance, maybe it's because I see too many of them on the road; they're certainly not going to stand out anywhere around here. Yes it's a great car, yes it has better performance on paper and on the track, but that's not what should be the deciding factor in buying a car unless you're a total tool. The Jag is beautiful and arouses so many more emotions for me behind the wheel than in a 911, and I couldn't quite give a damn what its lap times are in comparison to any other car on the road. Whatever people may believe the Jag was not designed to be a 911 killer, nor necessarily to compete with any specific model, it was designed to be the next big thing for a company in great need of a product with the soul and beauty to capture a driver's heart. At the end of the day I suppose it's to each his own, and I certainly won't regret having ordered the F-Type.
F type is a fantastic car, but for a lot of people the more subtle styling and the rich history behind the 911, not to mention the great sightlines and everyday (all season too) drivability make it a great car. Also the fact that it will blow the doors off most cars I can see why so many people like them :)
Long story short...you like the look better. Thats it.
Well no, as I said I like the driving experience a lot more. It makes me more giddy. It's not just looks.
Jergstein Feierabend Having driven both...I agree. The Porsche is an awesome car. But it does not illicit the grins I got when driving the Jag. People always talk about track times....98% of the people out there will NEVER take their car to the track and if they do....will see how much they suck at driving fast. Enjoy your F type.
I bought the R Coupe, enough said!
I think a better comparison would be. Porsche 911 S against the F Type R AWD. I’ve had 2 Porsche 911’s. One a TT and one a 911 S. Now I own a Jaguar F Type R AWD. Love my Jag but miss my Porsche.
F type R all the way!!
Both brilliant cars. I look forward to a test and report on the jag coupe r against a porsche that costs the same amount. I do believe the jag was 86 k and the porsche was 142k . Can I see a test against a 80-90 k car because that is a massive price difference
You're looking at the Carrera then ($84,300 350hp 0-60 4.6s).
I'm thinking the V6S F-Type might be slightly faster but a V8 F-Type or the 550HP coupe would both easily hand the Carrera its own ass.
The thing with Porsche is you get practically nothing that you would get as stock from other brands cars at that price. if you just buy the base car you can easily spend another $10-20k to option it out to get the car to a reasonable level. For example, full leather/sports seats +$2k-$8k, a decent stereo +$2-5k,metallic paint +$1k, phone integration +$300, xenon headlights +$1500, etc etc. I'm not even sure any dealer in the US could even get you a stock Carrera with literally no options.
I have always wanted a f type, but just got a 2019 f Pace SVR, same amazing engine and epic sound, only 0.1 seconds slower than the f type to 60. The latest model is only 3.8 seconds to 60. An SUV with sports car performance and pretty good handling for a 2 ton SUV. Put it in comfort road and while it's not as smooth as my old XJ my wife says it's very comfortable an a nice ride. She is happy and so am I. When she is in the car, it's 26 mpg. When I am on my own, it's 12 mpg and I can feel my heart beating. A compromise car that works for both of us. Can't believe Jaguar want to go all electric, long live the V8!
i own ftype v8. I saw an xkr upgrade to fpace svr. fueling up, only reason people sold theirs when i ask them why is the kids.... lol
did I blink and miss the lap time?
Wait a few years and a used F-Type will probably be dirt cheap and an even bigger bargain.
6 years later and you’re absolutely correct
I would definitely talk the Jag over that giant frogmobile.
Having owned jags, all the way back to a late 4.2 gen 1 XKE type, I will take the Porsche. Sorry, but they just don’t hold up, the thrill is always displaced by the repair time and costs.
2 Jags in my history and ZERO repair costs for me. My '13 XK-R is as reliable as any 'normal' car. Clearly owner experiences vary.
As befits it's illustrious history, the Porsche is QUICK - BUT - I think that the Jaguar (at 50 grand less) is a magic piece of kit, and the hooligan in me says "Buy One - Now!!). Like Harley, Maybe Jag can be a sound legend without taking the laurels for ultimate speed.
***** And you arrived at this conclusion how? I have had two 5.0l XKR jags over last five years without any trouble whatsoever. My neighbours M6 spent more time in the garage than on the road and a work colleagues Ferrari 458 went up in flames within three weeks of delivery. You put jags and land rovers as 1 and 2 worst depreciating luxury vehicles. If I had purchased an Aston DBS for £150k two years ago I would be lucky to get £100k now. Reason I know that cos my mate is 'Suffering' so to speak. Thats twice the depreciation I suffered on both XKR's put together. Enough said.
***** As does the majority of every other car out there, thats why I only buy cars 6 months+old. Let some other idiot take the hit. I can't speak for Land Rover but I have had no problems or break downs from both 5.0L XKR's and an XK8 from 99. All of which are fantastic vehicles to own & drive. I am now waiting for the right deal on a used F Type Coupe R. Im hoping I can get at least your '15%' of the list.
***** Ford used to own them and the cars made under their $$ watch are excellent cars and the best up to that point, durability and engineering wise. Tata now owns them and as before , the big wigs in England do all the dirty work while Tata funds them.
In Germany you attract more people if you drive an F-type because it is not so an frequent car and in GB it is for sure in other way round.
But which car finished the course quicker?
The verdict of any British show always goes to the British car. And I really mean it. Look at any comparison of any car vs a british car, if it is a British show every single time they talk smack of the other cars and just the best of their cars...
What ! Where are the lap times ?
Cant believe F type is so much cheaper, by the looks and sounds of it, the F type should rather cost 50K more. Bargain of the year. Both cars are great but, Its a bit like S5 vs I phone
I just hope you aren't comparing the build quality of the F Type to the Samsung, but again the Porsche is slightly better made than the Jag :P
Davis Fang Dunno where you got that from, because its wrong. You need to check the reliability ratings by JD power.
Jag all the way
all the way to the "License loosing territory!"
A Jag R will drive a 911 Turbo S out of rear view in 10 secs. Torque moves the car. High redline = no torque. The Jag's massive HP is severly under-tired with P-Zeros. R888Rs and it is a less than 3 sec 0-60..
Jag any day 😊
If you were on a track and cared about those milliseconds, then yes, the 911 is the one to choose. But what's the point of spending over £142,000 on a car that looks exactly the same as a Boxster (which is £38,000) when only the Porsche fanboys can tell the difference? At that price you're starting to get into Lamborghini Gallardo territory.
The Jag is far better looking, sounds incredible, more fun to drive AND IS £57,000 CHEAPER!
You can get an F-Type R AND a Cayman GTS for the price of one 911 Turbo S.
That red on red though
what color is that jaguar?? beautiful!!
the mystical color known as red
Tawfiqur Rahman HAHAHAHA
Thanks👍
Understand completely, the British have reconnected with the emotional side of the driving experience. German sterility, while extraordinarily fast by the numbers, just doesn't stir the soul. That is why I drive a Lotus v a Porsche
honnestly there is no way this Jag could even come close to her majesty 911 Turbo..the Turbo is in another league
YES YES YES everybody but everybody loves the 911, Sorry not me, I have driven several of them over the years,
and i just don't get it, I think i must be the only one out there that thinks this way, I have driven on and off the track
aston martins, ferraris, GT-R's 911 gt2 and so yes there a good car well most off them, but never see what most/all
they's driving guy's why they rave about them so much as iff them were a car GOD.
But if Jag had bought the 600BHP SVR out back then clocked at 201mph on a strate rd Porshe 911 no chance.Don't for the Jag had no quick off the mark button also and it is electronically limited at 185mph.
Chainsaw v scalpel! Jag for me.
Is there a neutral comparison of these two? I mean, I love the jag and I love the Porsche, but is there a comparison that's not orchestrated by British people? These guys did pretty well, but I still can't help feeling that the entire thing was a little biased towards the jag from the beginning...
I am Irish and hence have no allegiance to the English nor its cousins the Germans. I test drove both these cars and the F-Type convertible and Carrera convertible. I chose the Jaguar convertible (with all options) despite nearly going for the Coupe-R, mainly because I live in California where it is warm and sunny and I often have a fit blonde in the passenger. If I lived at home I'd take the Coupe-R all day ;) The Porsche was nice to drive but the F-type is waaaaaaaaay more fun and far better looking. For the record I also tested Aston Martin Vantage V8 and Nissan GTR ;)
Its also far better looking
It is a little ridiculous to suggest that the UK is the least biased nation when it comes to cars with shows like Top Gear and /Drive with Calvin Harris, but then again, I guess you could make the case that everyone is biased.
I am not going to pretend like I know the tendencies of the foreign car markets of Japan, Germany, France, and Italy, but I buy and sell cars in the USA and I can tell you that the only domestic cars that Americans are loyal to are muscle cars and pickups. Muscle cars are a very small percentage of overall car sales in the USA and American pickups basically drive the Automotive Industry, but, as far as every other type of vehicle, foreign counterparts of American sedans, minivans, sports cars, and SUVs/crossovers dominate the market.
As far as the Jag goes: I understand why people get all wryled up about the car. The F-type is a very passionate car and evokes a very passionate following. I think it is an amazing car. I just think that people are so hyped-up about it that they might gloss over the negatives or over glorify it.
I almost feel like if someone says something bad about it they will be publicly flogged for their heresy.
Whats negative about it? It has slightly less road feel and top speed than a 911 Turbo which its constantly compared too but its $30-50k cheaper depending on model/extras. Its loud and beautiful.
Also, Calvin Harris is a sell-out EDM artist so I couldn't give two fucks what he thinks about cars ;)
Jaguar ❤️❤️😘😘
Funny that they did not reveal the times. But it would probably be too embarassing for the Jag. For example, tested on the Oschersleben track, the Turbo S was 7 seconds (!) faster.
I love that Jag but common even I knew just off the title it would lose to a turbo S...that thing is unnaturally fast.
the jag looks too much better
I honestly wouldn't want a raucous sports car with "big" sound. I live in Oz and the cops pull you over just for blipping your throttle at the lights. I'd rather a turbo 911 or a GTR, or even a new gen M5. Understated, and basically soundproof but without the cop bait or wanker factor of louder, showier cars. I don't need to be noticed.
Mate, Aus has one of the highest AMG's per capita. We love the big V8 sound
ole! And you think the people that can afford and drive AMG's do so because they're loud??? I don't think so, that shits for the Commodore and JDM crowd.
You made black People Take yet another L for this comment
They should have used Porsche GT3, instead of Porsche 911 Turbo S. The GT3 sounds better, rear wheel drive and is cheaper than the 911 Turbo S.
I agree but Porsche recalled their GT3s. However the GT3 would destroy both these cars on track and it has almost 100 hp less.
How bout xj220?
It's old but mmmm
If it were my money I'd buy the Jaguar F-Type R. Hands down. Price...it starts off at more then $90k LESS than the Turbo S. That's a bit of change. :) Then there's the fun factor driving on the city streets and country roads. The ROAR of the engine/pipes. Like no other...in a VERY good way. Add a very well designed body shell (sexy, elegant and aggressive....at the same time). Makes the Turbo S seem boring...as immensely well engineered as it is. In the end it's about the "driving experience" and here the F-Type R wins. No question.
German cars never been about sex appeal. Just "function" and supreme engineering. They get the job done. But without character.
"It's not the ideal weight configuration with the engine out the back axle, but the balance is amazing it's a very neutral car"
What is he on about, how can it be a flaw with weight over the rear but being neutral and balanced? It makes it sound like he doesn't know what he's talking about.
I own a 997 turbo cabriolet so I know when you mean. But it just sounded weird when that guy said it. In any case, I don't see how it's not ideal with a gt2rs is faster than a sls black edition.
anyone know the paint color name on the f type ?
Italian Racing red. Not used anymore on the F-type. It’d called Firenze red on other models.
The best jag
The Porsche is a sports car, the Jag is a gt. Not really an apples to apples competition.
But such a mannerly and refined hooligan lol
Porsche will launch time after time, jag year down the road, usual gearbox reliability probs. you'll never beat an over engineered German Legend.
IMS failure? GT3 engines catching fire? I think the days of "over engineered German legend" ended with the 993.
That jag has gearbox made in germany (ZF) :D
You do know that the Jag's gearbox is an over engineered German legend, right.....?
GaryDoctor1 typical idiot who knows stereotypes and not actual data
well this sure deescalated quickly LMAO
intesreting comparison for me, because where I'm in Australia, the Jag Type F is $230,000 and that Porsche is $400,000!!!! HAHAHA...they say our salaries are higher or something,that's why! lol
You don't beat a Turbo S. Especially with a Jag.
Sounds doesn't make a good car. Jag F typr Coupe R and Aston Martin V12 are good examples.
BestCanKeanRob2 omg you seriously have no idea what you're talking about
The Porsche looks so sexy, it almost hurts. Love it
I feel like seeding on those roads is super fuckin dangerous lol
F type R is 911 GTS competition :)
save time go to 9:00
Porsche FTW!!!
The Porsche 911 Turbo is not designed for the track, it's for the road, the Turbo S is for the fit who has a shit load of cash and wants an everyday usable shoppers car that is blistering fast, rides smooth and is comfortable for everyday use, and is reliable as hell. If you want a car that makes a bit more noise from Porsche with their flat six, then you need to buy a GT3 variant, two different animals.
What is it with these reviewers, are they just reviewing so to put their mugs on TH-cam.
Should have tested the awd version against the porker just to be fair
JOHN MCDONALD ???
***** why not use the v8 all wheel drive f type ,wkuld have been fair .
JOHN MCDONALD
what? like an Audi R8 hahaha that would even further behind
Collins Thiongo Time stamps , only sados pay attention to such details and the post still stands they should test it against the awd version .And Its a bit childish to be calling people who have experienced driving these cars as idiots.
the jags are c/min for yer
Buddy, when you know you’re gonna be watched by hundreds of thousands of people, don’t touch your nose so much (or at all!!)!
Gonna need more than a Jag to beat a Turbo S.
that Porsche should be in the old people's home.who buys them.? whenever you see one they have old men in them. (retired yuppies.it ain't a good look.)
Great point, because whenever I see a Jag, there's always some young hip person in them. lol!!! :)
+Michael Cosyn Group check out the comments below.most of them from young people rating the jag. go back to your pipe and slippers mein heir.
Uh huh. and how many of them OWN them? I live in the Silicon Valley where expensive cars are as common as air. Who's driving Jags? The blue hairs. Just sayin', son.
+Michael Cosyn Group I feel sorry for you.I live in leafy Boston. But I'd still have that jaguar. good luck to you pops.
Look at you............, the self appointed fucking expert.
The Porsche, although more expensive, is worth every penny for its brillance.The F type is a good looking car but thats about it.
The porche,although more expensive, is worth every penny for being so mediocre and played out is what you meant